**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 01 23:59:56 2005 Jun 02 00:03:04 kergoth you here? Jun 02 00:16:20 hi all Jun 02 00:29:02 proti: hey Jun 02 00:29:12 proti: patch now looks correctly, I will test it this evening Jun 02 00:29:31 proti: next thing is to cache the dep graph as well Jun 02 00:29:44 and to use it when --offline is specified on the cmdline Jun 02 00:52:15 zecke: Ok, I needed some time to figure What you were talking about. It was too obvious. Jun 02 00:52:28 morning by the way. Jun 02 00:52:40 hey proti Jun 02 00:53:06 hey all Jun 02 00:55:48 proti: constructs like str2 + str1 where type(str1) == str should be avoided Jun 02 00:55:58 proti: solely use "%s" % Jun 02 01:05:31 http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode Jun 02 01:21:54 hi all Jun 02 01:28:25 morning Jun 02 01:31:43 hi Jun 02 01:32:04 "The linux kernel has recently started using a tool "git" for managing development. git is conceptually very close to monotone, but with arguably inferior merging, communication, and storage systems, while monotone is catching up with it in speed" Jun 02 01:32:54 XorA: how much space takes gpe+x11 packages (without bootstrap deps) Jun 02 01:32:57 ? Jun 02 01:35:36 zecke: and git doesn't have a 'push' function Jun 02 01:35:48 upstream has to 'pull' the branch Jun 02 01:36:02 which is ok for linu(x,s), but not for us Jun 02 01:36:24 koen|uni: we could force kergoth to pull frequently from us :} Jun 02 01:37:30 hrw|work: about 8 or 9 mb Jun 02 01:37:31 hrw|work: I managed to get it in about 10megs I think Jun 02 01:37:46 hrw|work: been a while since I dueled GPE/Opie though Jun 02 01:39:56 thx Jun 02 01:40:30 I'm planing to add gpe to my opieized husky Jun 02 01:53:10 good morning Jun 02 01:53:19 moin mickeyl Jun 02 01:53:38 morning Jun 02 01:57:34 ~lart being offline Jun 02 01:57:34 * ibot slaps a compatible dib on being offline's head Jun 02 01:58:46 hey mickeyl Jun 02 01:58:49 hi mickeyl Jun 02 01:58:55 *thinks* why would OE be fetching galculator in the quilt-native do_fetch? Jun 02 01:58:56 hi. Jun 02 01:59:20 Hi Jun 02 01:59:21 morning dirk Jun 02 01:59:21 hi Dirk Jun 02 01:59:22 mickeyl: I added EDD as a distroname, it's less exclusive as ELD Jun 02 01:59:28 Arjan: that is my IA 'moody' experiment Jun 02 01:59:32 koen|uni: EDD expands to ? Jun 02 01:59:42 embedded device distro Jun 02 02:00:02 ah, not bad. could be called 'Eddy' in spoken sentences Jun 02 02:00:03 Booze Jun 02 02:00:37 koen|uni: your people gave a clear "no" to the constitution Jun 02 02:00:42 quite a result Jun 02 02:00:44 * koen|uni mentions http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode again Jun 02 02:00:56 mickeyl: even when I voted "against" Jun 02 02:01:04 * zecke printed the google flyer and pins it to the blackboard Jun 02 02:01:31 add your favourite OE code project to the wiki Jun 02 02:01:36 * zecke needs to find money to buy something to drink... Jun 02 02:01:39 feed the poor students Jun 02 02:02:02 add the EU constitution as a plucker book... Jun 02 02:02:03 how much of oe/opie/gpe are students? Jun 02 02:02:08 and translate it to dutch Jun 02 02:02:10 zecke: so how do I make it download quilt-native? :) Jun 02 02:02:34 Arjan: dunno. It sounds totally weird Jun 02 02:02:34 hrw|work: I think 20% - 40% Jun 02 02:02:46 thx koen|uni Jun 02 02:03:34 pft, got two v2.6.11-hh2 kernels, and the newer one doesn't accept the older .cofnig anymore.. Jun 02 02:03:57 that's waht you get for using a hobby OS Jun 02 02:03:58 Arjan: just for sanity look at the SRC_URI in quilt Jun 02 02:07:05 koen|uni: :) Jun 02 02:07:27 zecke: the SRC_URI looks good (refers to the quild cvs) Jun 02 02:08:00 zecke: I cloned the openembedded tree on the familiar-0.8.2 TAG... isn't it possible to build that anymore? Jun 02 02:08:18 Arjan: using what version of bitbake? Jun 02 02:08:38 zecke: the latest, I believe it was 237? Jun 02 02:09:13 Arjan: that won't work anyway... but that does not explain your error Jun 02 02:10:54 zecke: the OE output: http://pastebin.ca/13163 Jun 02 02:11:53 zecke: is there a way to build familiar-0.8.2? Jun 02 02:12:23 Arjan: use a bitbake 1.1 Jun 02 02:13:59 zecke: are there tarballs of old bitbake versions? or can I get it from svn? Jun 02 02:14:15 Arjan: developer.berlios.de/projects/bitbake Jun 02 02:14:25 everything beside the 1.3.0 release has a tarball Jun 02 02:14:35 Arjan: and wipe your cache Jun 02 02:14:37 thanks Jun 02 02:29:49 zecke: bitbake 1.1 still downloads galculator :( Jun 02 02:30:18 Arjan: weird Jun 02 02:31:02 there is something else... when I run the bitbake from the 1.1 tarfile with --version, I get this: Jun 02 02:31:04 BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.3.0, bitbake version 1.2 Jun 02 02:31:39 Arjan: that does not look right Jun 02 02:31:50 I thought so Jun 02 02:35:42 zecke: both the 1.0 and the 1.1 tarball on berlios contain the 1.2 versions of bitbake Jun 02 02:46:39 Arjan: You have installed the precedent bitbake with ./setup.py install ? Jun 02 02:51:58 proti: yes Jun 02 02:52:33 Arjan: bitbake is using the lib/bb installed in the system, not the one in the tarball. Jun 02 02:52:47 That is why you have 1.3.0 for the core lib. Jun 02 02:53:27 proti: sounds reasonable. but the fact remains that all tarballs on berlios have the same 1.2 bitbake program Jun 02 02:54:28 Yes I saw that. A packaging problem. bitbake 1.1 tarball has been overwritten by the 1.2. Try to check out 1.1 with svn. Jun 02 03:05:27 Arjan: svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.1 Jun 02 03:05:37 Should do the trick. Jun 02 03:07:52 proti: well, guess what? bitbake itself is still version 1.2, even from svn Jun 02 03:08:33 can't be :} Jun 02 03:08:38 Arjan: But should be working, core is 1.1. Try with it. Jun 02 03:08:39 *hopes* Jun 02 03:09:00 bitbake-1.0 is 1.2 too in the svn tree. Jun 02 03:09:19 * zecke hopes not beeing guilty for that Jun 02 03:10:37 proti: okay, I'll try Jun 02 03:12:03 BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.1, bitbake version 1.2 Jun 02 03:13:41 well, at least now I don't parsing errors for every .bb :) Jun 02 03:13:54 * proti cross fingers Jun 02 03:14:09 Arjan: lol... one would have though you mention that... Jun 02 03:14:38 quilt fetches gcalculator source vs. I've one million error messages and it does not work Jun 02 03:15:22 * Arjan thinks... aren't source management systems there to make sure these kind of things don't happen? Jun 02 03:16:36 Arjan: getting stupid users to mix versions? Jun 02 03:16:41 not even bitkeeper can do that Jun 02 03:16:49 Arjan: Only if you put everything in the same SCM. Jun 02 03:17:15 OpenEmbedded NOW requires bitbake 1.2.1 Jun 02 03:17:25 no... I meant rather to also act like some sort of backup Jun 02 03:17:26 should signalise a dependency Jun 02 03:17:55 Arjan: right, but not if I or kergoth retag a tag :} Jun 02 03:18:07 I see :) Jun 02 03:18:19 yay! it actually fetches the quilt cvs now! Jun 02 03:20:28 * proti uncrosses fingers. Jun 02 03:20:55 * zecke heads to the driving lesson Jun 02 03:21:04 thanks guys! Jun 02 03:22:50 berlin is not secure now.. Jun 02 03:25:07 hrw|work: berlin? Jun 02 03:28:07 02 12:20 * zecke heads to the driving lesson Jun 02 03:31:28 * Spyro passed his driving test! Jun 02 03:31:36 hrw|work: ah, if you had said safe I would have got that Jun 02 03:31:55 will do next time Jun 02 03:38:44 round-trip min/avg/max = 33.2/2433.3/3683.8 ms Jun 02 03:38:50 crap ;( Jun 02 03:39:07 thats stats for my build home machine Jun 02 03:44:57 Spyro: congratulations! Jun 02 03:45:02 Spyro: grats Jun 02 03:45:10 cheers guys :) Jun 02 03:45:22 Spyro: cars? motors? trucks? buses? Jun 02 03:45:30 car Jun 02 03:45:59 goodday all Jun 02 03:46:10 hi loial Jun 02 03:47:22 Spyro: congratulations Jun 02 03:53:50 do13: ta! Jun 02 04:27:37 hi all Jun 02 04:28:04 lo florian_kc Jun 02 04:47:44 morning all Jun 02 04:52:00 hi RP Jun 02 04:52:06 hi RP, florian_kc Jun 02 04:54:02 morning Jun 02 05:09:05 hi RP Jun 02 05:12:05 RP: Do you have 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 working? Jun 02 06:02:52 So, what's the preferred way to build the newest cvs kernel using oe? Jun 02 06:03:10 When I make one, it takes the old kernel it seems, and I want to supply my own .config, where should I put it ? Jun 02 06:03:21 ascent: instead of OE one Jun 02 06:04:52 just replace the .config? well, when it starts building the kernel it unpacks and immediately configures using the default .config it seems Jun 02 06:06:33 so in your build default config is taken from the air? Jun 02 06:06:44 not from OE packages metadata? Jun 02 06:06:50 no, the tar.gz I guess? Jun 02 06:07:18 I'm just looking for a description howto make a kernel with image-bootstrap with my own config Jun 02 06:07:38 look at kernel recipe (.bb file) Jun 02 06:11:16 And which of the 6 or 7 should I look at ? Jun 02 06:11:19 zecke: wb - how was drive? Jun 02 06:11:26 ascent: which one you build? Jun 02 06:12:08 I want the newest available cvs 2.6 kernel, so I think I should do handhelds-pxa-2.6_cvs.bb? Jun 02 06:12:27 hrw|work: killed: 0 injured: cached:2238 Jun 02 06:12:47 ascent: I dont know does your jornada 525 runs that kernel.. Jun 02 06:13:00 ipaq 2210 Jun 02 06:13:11 a... you didnt say that before Jun 02 06:13:19 Didn't I ? hmm, sorry :) Jun 02 06:13:26 (why does your choice defaults to jornada? :P) Jun 02 06:13:49 Anyway, I want the kernel to be as new as possible for support for mmc/sound/bluetooth Jun 02 06:13:50 I picked one of dont-know-is-it-supported-at-all machines Jun 02 06:14:07 :) Jun 02 06:14:22 ascent: you probably need to check hh40 (latest one) Jun 02 06:14:33 There's no .bb package for that ? Jun 02 06:14:33 ascent: or ask h2200 port maintainers Jun 02 06:14:35 :) Jun 02 06:14:46 They (koen et all) refer to OE for building it using OE :) Jun 02 06:15:07 I can checkout their kernel, I just want one command (opie-image) to make an opie based rootfs with my own kernel Jun 02 06:15:20 ascent: copy hh39 as hh40 maybe Jun 02 06:15:48 ops. sorry - I had old sources Jun 02 06:16:15 I have hh40 for handhelds-sa, you need handhelds-pxa_hh40 probably. Jun 02 06:16:26 I've been looking for this information in the wiki too; I think I'm not the only one asking for this, but it doesn't seem to be there.. Jun 02 06:16:54 zecke: not so bad - which lesson was it? Jun 02 06:17:16 hrw|work: I had a Californian Driving License and drove with it in Germany... Jun 02 06:17:26 hrw|work: now I'm properly doing a German one... Jun 02 06:17:50 zecke: a... I was thinking that you are making first driving license Jun 02 06:17:54 hrw|work: so to some degree I'm able to drive... but it was my 4th or 5th lesson Jun 02 06:18:07 hrw|work: it is my first german one Jun 02 06:19:03 hrw|work: but still I make some mistakes... in the US I only had 'automatic' Jun 02 06:19:18 I never drove with automatic gear Jun 02 06:19:42 Well, I thought it was rather simple. When I build an opie-image, it gives me an image with a boot/zImage-2.6.11-hh2 in there. Where can I change the config for it? Jun 02 06:20:08 hrw|work: well it is fairly easy ;) Jun 02 06:20:28 ascent: bitbake -cconfigure virtual/kernel;cd tmp/work/YOUR_KERNEL/linux-VERSION/;ARCH=arm make menuconfig Jun 02 06:20:50 ascent: then copy resulted .config somewhere, cd to builddir back and "bitbake virtual/kernel" Jun 02 06:20:56 zecke: I suppose Jun 02 06:21:00 virtual/kernel.. that's new... Jun 02 06:21:03 let's see. Jun 02 06:31:07 mickey|lunch: did you read the ARCHOS License 'agreement' Jun 02 06:34:31 do13: I've not tried 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 yet. Are you seeing issues with it? Jun 02 06:34:34 hrw|work: hh40 is 2.4 Jun 02 06:35:03 h2210 needs 2.6 Jun 02 06:35:18 aha Jun 02 06:35:21 sorry Jun 02 06:35:43 MACHINE = "ipaq-pxa-2.6" Jun 02 06:35:49 That's right, in local.conf, right? Jun 02 06:35:52 since my gf claimed it, it hasn't had much love in OE Jun 02 06:36:36 koen|work: is she at least running linux or addicted to jawbreaker? Jun 02 06:36:38 koen|work: you got a geek check? Jun 02 06:36:45 chick Jun 02 06:36:50 zecke: jawbreaker and watching "friends" Jun 02 06:37:02 koen|work: on windows? Jun 02 06:37:03 XorA: no, but I'm slowly converting her :) Jun 02 06:37:07 zecke: yes Jun 02 06:37:24 koen|work: not that it sounds familiar... Jun 02 06:37:37 friends is a female time-sink Jun 02 06:37:49 no kidding Jun 02 06:37:54 * XorA hates Friends Jun 02 06:38:00 se watched 3 entire seasons last week Jun 02 06:38:01 koen|work: actually I'm waiting for the time to flash the h22xx Jun 02 06:38:10 RP: It compiles without w100_split-r8 and zaurus-leds patch. I will test the kernel after work. Jun 02 06:39:06 do13: Ok. Did you try -mm1 out of interest? Jun 02 06:40:00 RP: No. Today I changed the bb- file and found -mm2. Jun 02 06:40:30 do13: I suspect w100 problably doesn't compile due to some janitor patches Jun 02 06:42:47 RP: Correct. Patcher failed. Jun 02 06:52:32 In qte-2.3.10, QRect:intersects is defined twice. Once in src/kernel/qrect.ccp and once in src/kernel/qwidget_qws.cpp. Linking of the lib fails because of this. Fix is to comment the version in qwidget_qws.cpp. Jun 02 07:01:59 jumpkick: no idea how to fix that, but I can tell you what didn't fix it, resetting my local.conf to completely normal and recloning openembedded.... that didn't fix it Jun 02 07:07:50 Zero_Chaos: Wanna try the patch I send to bitbake-dev ? Jun 02 07:09:05 I had this problem already (but I can't figure why it is intermittent). Jun 02 07:10:16 proti: I'll try it as long as it applys to bitbake 1.3.1 cleanly Jun 02 07:10:21 proti: where can I findit? Jun 02 07:11:02 http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/pkg_pn2.patch Jun 02 07:11:41 proti: it will be tested in about 4 minutes (waiting to make sure bitbake is still failing) Jun 02 07:12:43 some gpe users here? Jun 02 07:12:57 NOTE: [16:12] package sylpheed-1.9.12-r0: task do_build: completed Jun 02 07:13:17 ~seen pb_ Jun 02 07:13:27 pb_ <~pb@2002:5168:d38c:1:a00:1fff:fe06:93c> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 15h 36m 4s ago, saying: 'night night'. Jun 02 07:13:55 Zero_Chaos: It was the error reported here http://pastebin.ca/13134 ? Jun 02 07:14:42 proti: yeah, that was me. I've patched and I will try again, might take a while, I deleted my cache (but not my tmp) Jun 02 07:16:29 koen|work: ping Jun 02 07:17:01 Zero_Chaos: Cache deletion wasn't necessary Jun 02 07:17:59 proti: nor is tmp deletion usually needed, but, it does make me feel better when it takes longer :-) at least it does something for a while.... Jun 02 07:23:11 proti: I love you. Jun 02 07:23:25 proti: why isn't this patch in svn? Jun 02 07:25:41 Zero_Chaos: You're welcome. Ask zecke for the patch inclusion. Jun 02 07:25:57 zecke: ping Jun 02 07:26:09 I have no commit access to the repo. Jun 02 07:26:40 Now, I'm more interessted at why this bug occurs. Could you send me your local.conf ? Jun 02 07:26:47 proti: that patch should be in svn, unless we both did something wrong and messed up bitbake in the same way. Jun 02 07:26:54 proti: gladly, please hold Jun 02 07:27:25 Ok. I just want to see if I'm able to reproduce this. Jun 02 07:27:29 proti: I posted it yesterday. http://pastebin.ca/13138 Jun 02 07:27:54 Ok I'll check. Jun 02 07:28:20 proti: hey, if you find anything odd, by all means let me know. I truely appreciate the patch Jun 02 07:29:46 * Zero_Chaos goes back to making his zc-image.bb Jun 02 07:29:55 Good luck. Jun 02 07:34:41 Anyone here have commit access to SVN? Jun 02 07:34:55 I have but wont push it Jun 02 07:35:27 hrw|work: fair enough, can you tell me who I should talk to about getting proti's patch into svn? Jun 02 07:35:47 push it to the list Jun 02 07:35:56 zecke, mickeyl, kergoth Jun 02 07:36:08 fair enough. Jun 02 07:36:43 proti: you already put that patch on the list, right? I'm not on the list, but you can say on my behalf that your patch solved my problem. Jun 02 07:37:18 Yeah, I will. You can look at the archive of the lists on the bitabke projet page. Jun 02 07:38:16 proti: I'm sure, it's just that I'm on enough lists already so I don't want to sign up just to say your patch works ;-) Jun 02 07:38:46 No need, just send the mail to bitbake-dev@lists.berlios.de Jun 02 07:39:32 what do I put in conf/local.conf to make a 64-0 opie-image for collie? I remember that I can, but I forget what to put. Jun 02 07:39:38 Note, I am not willing to push this patch at any cost. I feel comfortable with it but zecke proved me wrong several time. I let him push the patch whenever he wish to do. Jun 02 07:39:54 afternoon Jun 02 07:39:57 COLLIE_MEMORY_SIZE=48 Jun 02 07:39:57 COLLIE_RAMDISK_SIZE=16 Jun 02 07:40:05 proti: thanks again Jun 02 07:40:23 Zero_Chaos: or just build collie-kernel-64-0 Jun 02 07:41:10 pb_: gpe-base-depends depend on virtual/xserver which is not provided by xserver-kdrive ;( Jun 02 07:41:28 hi pb Jun 02 07:42:02 proti: where do I find the archive where you posted that patch? Jun 02 07:43:28 Zero_Chaos: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bitbake-dev/ Jun 02 07:43:58 Evening all, I'm having some odd errors while parsing bb files Jun 02 07:44:02 ERROR: myProgressCallback() takes exactly 3 arguments (5 given) while parsing Jun 02 07:44:22 proti: you post it in june or may? Jun 02 07:44:24 for each bb file in openembedded/packages anyway to fix? Jun 02 07:44:44 Zero_Chaos: June -yesterday in fact- Jun 02 07:45:01 proti: I found it ;-) Jun 02 07:45:13 hrw|work: ah, that's rather sad. I thought xserver-kdrive did provide that virtual. Jun 02 07:45:19 pb_: me too Jun 02 07:45:42 pb_: I have opie on husky and want to install gpe using ipkg not flashing Jun 02 07:46:15 hrw|work: PROVIDES = "virtual/xserver" Jun 02 07:46:17 pb_: I also have sylpheed 1.9.12 (current development version) build Jun 02 07:46:18 well, there it is Jun 02 07:46:24 RPROVIDES lack Jun 02 07:46:55 oh, right, you're talking about RPROVIDES Jun 02 07:47:01 yeah, that does seem to be missing. Jun 02 07:47:20 feel free to go ahead and add RPROVIDES = "virtual-xserver" or something. Jun 02 07:47:25 ok Jun 02 07:48:11 to xserver-*.bb (kdrive and xorg) Jun 02 07:48:36 right Jun 02 07:49:42 xserver-xorg does not PROVIDE virtual/xserver at all Jun 02 07:50:14 re Jun 02 07:50:29 hi Jun 02 07:50:30 hrw|work: pong Jun 02 07:50:49 koen|work: already resolved xserver problem.. Jun 02 07:50:58 should I push newer sylpheed? Jun 02 07:51:47 okidoki Jun 02 07:52:40 hrw|work: sure, please push the new sylpheed Jun 02 07:52:56 someone want old one? or just remove them? Jun 02 07:53:07 leave it there, unless it's broken. Jun 02 07:53:12 ok Jun 02 07:53:12 didn't we patch sylpheed for tls or something? Jun 02 07:53:23 Is the message from xtscal about the missing /dev/h3600_tsraw fatal? Jun 02 07:53:45 koen|work: we do and it apply also for 1.9.12 Jun 02 07:53:51 even better Jun 02 07:53:54 florian_kc: do you have the XCALIBRATE extension in your xserver? Jun 02 07:54:17 koen|work: someone pushed patch upstream? Jun 02 07:54:41 florian_kc: if not, lack of /dev/h3600_ts will indeed be fatal Jun 02 07:54:53 pb_: no... that looks nasty. Jun 02 07:55:07 florian_kc: ok. sounds like you need to get a better xserver. Jun 02 07:55:22 ~lart Xomap Jun 02 07:55:22 * ibot --purges Xomap Jun 02 07:56:29 florian_kc: do you have the sources to Xomap? Jun 02 07:56:42 pushed 1.3470 1.3469 Jun 02 07:56:52 very good Jun 02 07:57:23 florian_kc: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/source/x/xserver-kdrive/ Jun 02 07:57:28 that should be the sources Jun 02 07:58:42 Any oe_libinstall experts? I can get pcre-4.4 to finish do_populate_staging. Jun 02 07:59:17 StuBear: amd64? Jun 02 07:59:39 StuBear: Verify the .so is there. Jun 02 08:00:02 afternoon Jun 02 08:00:08 pb_: like koen|work says... we have it. i guess we just need to build it with the correct settings. Jun 02 08:00:13 hi reenoo_ Jun 02 08:00:14 hi Rene Jun 02 08:01:18 XorA: nope, I'm trying to build apps for Sharp Rom on akita using gcc-2.95.3 Jun 02 08:02:06 proti: ahh, the .so file is missing, I thought it was the .lai files that were the problem, now I have something to work with Jun 02 08:02:13 proti: thanks Jun 02 08:02:39 hey florian_kc Jun 02 08:02:42 hi Marcin Jun 02 08:04:21 StuBear: Got the exact same problem a few hours ago. Jun 02 08:04:39 NOTE: [17:04] preferred version 0.0cvs${CVSDATE-minimo} of minimo not available Jun 02 08:04:56 me spots a type Jun 02 08:04:58 proti: did you fix it by any chance? same is happening for libpcap too Jun 02 08:05:16 hrw|work: s/-/_/ somewhere Jun 02 08:05:33 koen|work: gpe-preffered-versions or gpe-image/meta-gpe Jun 02 08:05:54 the former should be ok, the latter I don't know Jun 02 08:06:32 StuBear: Nope, See the problem with qte I have. It is not a general problem fix once for all. It is a problem of compilation most of the time. You have to fix it package by package. Jun 02 08:07:19 conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions.inc:PREFERRED_VERSION_minimo ?= "0.0cvs${CVSDATE_minimo}" Jun 02 08:07:35 proti: damm, I had some ealry success with openssh and openssl on gcc-2.95.3 and thought I had things working well :( Jun 02 08:09:51 florian_kc: ah, right. I guess it should be easy enough to either patch the omap bits into the regular xserver-kdrive, or patch the xcalibrate bits into your omap source package. Jun 02 08:20:51 CoreDump: ping Jun 02 08:20:59 offroadgeek: pong Jun 02 08:21:16 pb_: what does XCalibrate do (just if you've the time to answer) Jun 02 08:21:50 coredump: would you mind PMing me (via the forums) or emailing me (michael at offroadgeek.com) your shipping address? Jun 02 08:21:54 hi offroadgeek Jun 02 08:22:03 hrw|work: hello Jun 02 08:22:10 offroadgeek: hmm? Jun 02 08:22:20 coredump: so I can send you a 1000 :) Jun 02 08:22:26 offroadgeek: omg Jun 02 08:22:36 you are kidding me Jun 02 08:22:47 not that I know of ;) Jun 02 08:23:10 Spyro: you around? Jun 02 08:24:18 CoreDump|home: please - do not forget about old collie users after switch to akita... Jun 02 08:24:34 i have no intention to :) Jun 02 08:24:46 anomaly_: hi Jun 02 08:25:02 heya, whats your page for the toshiba porting effort? Jun 02 08:25:05 offroadgeek: getting that c3k? Jun 02 08:25:10 someone's giving me an e310 tomorrow Jun 02 08:25:11 anomaly_: mnementh.co.uk/eseries Jun 02 08:25:13 ta Jun 02 08:25:23 Ive not got e310 running yet Jun 02 08:25:29 ah k Jun 02 08:25:34 its SA based, all my others so far are PXA based Jun 02 08:26:04 shouldnt be hard but I want to get one of the PXA ones up and running properly before I do much on the SA1100 based ones Jun 02 08:26:08 you still have jtag info for it I see, according to the page? Jun 02 08:26:41 anomaly_: yes, JTAG works, but I havent got boundary scan working properly yet (Im missing some magic somewhere :-) Jun 02 08:26:50 kk Jun 02 08:26:54 openwince JTAG tools might work on it Jun 02 08:27:19 k, still something to have a play with Jun 02 08:27:57 zecke: the XCALIBRATE extension, you mean? Jun 02 08:28:22 jh_: no, I'm keeping my 1000... Jun 02 08:28:25 also getting a sony ericsson 'm3' smartphone too apparently, but I can't find -any- info on it online anywhere at all, like it doesn't exist... Jun 02 08:28:51 but the guy double checked the casing and apparently thats what it is Jun 02 08:28:54 * anomaly_ shrugs Jun 02 08:29:52 heh Jun 02 08:30:25 offroadgeek: ah, very cool. you da man, then! :) Jun 02 08:31:03 jh_: riiighhht ;) Jun 02 08:31:42 I've pretty much given up on the idea that I could ever be a developer... so I think it makes sense for me to focus my time in other ways where I can help Jun 02 08:35:20 i like seeing C1k's on #oe :) Jun 02 08:36:34 offroadgeek: does mediawiki can have "look at image and type text from it" function on register? some pages are vandalised on oesf.org Jun 02 08:37:30 hrw|work: sorry, I don't understand what you mean Jun 02 08:38:18 he means a chatcka, or what ever the hell they are called Jun 02 08:39:31 pb_: yes Jun 02 08:39:37 cosmicpenguin: I still don't understand :( Jun 02 08:40:25 ah, the turing test for bots Jun 02 08:40:29 offroadgeek: text that is in a noisy background that is hard for machines to read, when you register you must read the text and type it in Jun 02 08:40:30 http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/profile.php?mode=register&agreed=true - image for confirmation code Jun 02 08:40:43 offroadgeek: look there Jun 02 08:40:46 they have some sort of funky ass name Jun 02 08:40:48 xora: thanks... now I get it! Jun 02 08:40:49 its called a captcha Jun 02 08:40:50 :) Jun 02 08:41:29 there you go - I got the first and last letter right Jun 02 08:41:40 hrw|work: I don't know if mediawiki does... I'll look into it Jun 02 08:42:04 you can probably just put a 3rd party one in org Jun 02 08:42:11 give me a shout if you need a hand Jun 02 08:42:38 jamesm: thanks.. will do Jun 02 08:44:43 whats this wiki for anyway? Jun 02 08:44:51 the oesf wiki? Jun 02 08:45:15 ah right, so many wikis, I've never seen the oesf one Jun 02 08:46:21 handhelds.org wiki (opie, gpe, familiar), oe wiki old, oe wiki new - what more? Jun 02 08:46:27 I also have a couple "extra" servers racked in my basement that could use a happy 'remote owner' Jun 02 08:46:55 nobody took you up on that offer before? Jun 02 08:46:58 hrw|work: thats plenty of wikis for me to keep up with :) Jun 02 08:47:08 I'm thinking that one of the devs could setup build environments on them and use Jun 02 08:47:35 cosmicpenguin: I'm holding the quad zeon for the tinderbox idea... but I have two other servers just sitting there Jun 02 08:47:59 mmm... tinderbox Jun 02 08:48:00 * CosmicPenguin should start working on that again Jun 02 08:48:11 I tried to get OE setup on one, but I can't build anything... so rather than me try and tinker with it, I figure let an expert use them Jun 02 08:49:20 offroadgeek: its the *non-expert* opinion that we value the most these days - what pisses you off about OE, and how can we fix it? Jun 02 08:49:31 they're only p3/800mhz, but they have a gig of ram each so they're not too bad Jun 02 08:50:57 cosmicpenguin: true... but I just got a job, so I'm worried that I should focus my free time on what I can do best Jun 02 08:52:38 cosmicpenguin: I would really like to get the oesf nonprofit off the ground and spend time getting grants/donations to fund development and hardware procurement Jun 02 08:54:29 offroadgeek: ahh - management... :) Jun 02 08:54:46 yes... it's a necessary evil :) Jun 02 08:55:34 ~seen pigi Jun 02 08:55:37 pigi <~NoOne@host171-27.pool80117.interbusiness.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 2d 19h 8m 5s ago, saying: 'Nite all'. Jun 02 08:55:45 libipkg0 still have memleaks? Jun 02 08:57:56 offroadgeek: I want to set up a development cluster of e750 motherboards Jun 02 08:58:04 Im buying up boards for the project. Jun 02 08:58:13 it will be an open resource Jun 02 08:58:31 hrw|work: i'm almost convinced it has... ipkg is full of unclean code which didn't really matter while it was a console tool only. Jun 02 08:59:08 Spyro: nice, how many have you got so far? Jun 02 08:59:09 spyro: do you need help with that? Jun 02 08:59:11 florian_kc: and it kill opie-packagemanager (dont know about gpe-package) Jun 02 08:59:29 ok. I go home - cu Jun 02 08:59:46 bye Jun 02 09:00:21 Spyro: where will they be hosted? Jun 02 09:00:36 bye hrw|work Jun 02 09:01:50 hrw|gone: oh dear... Jun 02 09:02:23 zecke: it provides a way for X clients to get at raw, untranslated touchscreen input, and to ask tslib to reread the configuration file. Jun 02 09:02:46 zecke: i.e. it allows you to implement the calibrator as an X client, rather than needing to read directly from /dev/ts. Jun 02 09:08:26 hmm... what creates /var/run on startup? Jun 02 09:10:04 one of the scripts in /etc/init.d, I think Jun 02 09:10:09 etc/init.d/populate-var.sh ? Jun 02 09:10:17 yah, that sounds like the one Jun 02 09:31:31 has anyone read the story on http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ ? Jun 02 09:33:07 pb_: makes sense Jun 02 09:39:39 re Jun 02 09:40:29 wv Jun 02 09:40:30 wb Jun 02 09:41:59 how to set verbose_wget in ipkg.conf? "option verbose_wget" or "option verbose_wget 1" does not work Jun 02 09:42:38 and without the 'option' ? Jun 02 09:43:18 verbose-wget according to source... Jun 02 09:43:26 option verbose-wget yes Jun 02 09:43:29 that works Jun 02 09:47:06 hmm.. ipkg upgrade over BT is not good idea... Jun 02 09:47:17 :) Jun 02 09:48:44 hrw: heh, I used to do that all the time Jun 02 09:49:06 pb_: its so slow... Jun 02 09:49:22 pb_: my card is 230400 only Jun 02 09:49:27 ah, that's no good Jun 02 09:49:51 I was using a 921600bps bluetooth link, which was faster than my Internet connection at the time Jun 02 09:49:52 its good for cellphone or irc-over-bt session Jun 02 09:50:31 next week I will drop BT and go wifi Jun 02 09:51:00 or will setup bt link at work instead of home Jun 02 11:13:44 03koen 07 * r1.3468.1.1 10openembedded/packages/gpe-dm/gpe-dm_0.45.bb: Add gpe-dm 0.45 to improve nokia 770 support Jun 02 11:23:44 auch... socket cf bt suxx Jun 02 11:24:02 gtk+ package will fetch >5 minutes... Jun 02 11:54:27 ~seen xora Jun 02 11:54:29 xora <~dp@81-178-152-212.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 3h 13m 58s ago, saying: 'offroadgeek: text that is in a noisy background that is hard for machines to read, when you register you must read the text and type it in'. Jun 02 11:54:40 ~seen xora|gone Jun 02 11:54:42 xora|gone <~dp@81-178-152-212.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 2d 2h 57m 58s ago, saying: 'anyway, Im off home'. Jun 02 12:00:04 * keturn searches on "ipkg" and "divert", and comes up with a question from treke in a three-year-old IRC log. Jun 02 12:01:18 hehe Jun 02 12:01:38 I love it when I do that Jun 02 12:01:44 I search for a solution to a problem Jun 02 12:01:56 and only find myself asking the question 3 years earlier :) Jun 02 12:01:59 unfortunately it doesn't look like anyone answered you at the time. Jun 02 12:02:09 well I think the answer is no Jun 02 12:02:31 ask pigi when he comes online Jun 02 12:05:48 What I'm wondering is, I have this collection of random configuration files I want to set, right? network/interfaces, fstab, maybe passwd or some init scripts or some config files for other daemons. And I'm wondering if I can put the entire collection in one package, or if I need to go override parts of netbase and parts of base-files and parts of whatever else. Jun 02 12:08:50 keturn: if this was a perfect world, we have an override system of some sort so that you could "drop in" custom files from somewhere else without having to add them to the repository Jun 02 12:09:07 perhaps a good cannidate project for the "summer of code" Jun 02 12:10:33 you can do that now Jun 02 12:10:46 'local' is in OVERRIDES, with highest priority Jun 02 12:11:04 if you mkdir packages/netbase/files/local and put interfaces in there, or whatever, itll use that instead of the distro or machine specific one Jun 02 12:12:54 well, that seems to be about the same Jun 02 12:13:52 but certainly far better then a bk edit job Jun 02 12:14:24 * koen mentions http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode again Jun 02 12:14:42 koen: damn. Wish I had found out about that in time to apply as a mentoring organization. Jun 02 12:15:08 you can mail Erik to be on the hh.org. team Jun 02 12:17:02 well, it would have been nice to get people paid for working on Free Geek code, is what I was thinking. Jun 02 12:18:24 and add your suggestions to the wiki Jun 02 12:19:24 I'm sure we have more OE work to do Jun 02 12:20:16 CosmicPenguin: actually, 'mkdir local' is about the same as 'bk edit', because 'local' must be inside the BK directory tree (not in another BBFILE_COLLECTION) and must be under version control (because I said so). It's just slightly less likely to get clobbered by changes to the parent repository. Maybe. Jun 02 12:21:17 you can have a seperate OE dir Jun 02 12:21:24 that's what BBFILES is for Jun 02 12:21:44 I have my work stuff with evil licenses and NDA in a seperate dir Jun 02 12:21:56 to make sure I *never* submit it by accident Jun 02 12:21:57 bbfile collections helps for that] Jun 02 12:22:07 The thought is that you have an arbitrary directory where you populate the files - sort of like the "local" override, but completely seperate from the packages tree Jun 02 12:22:26 But can you have openembedded/packages/netbase/netbase.bb in one and mycollection/packages/netbase/local/blah in another? I thought the .bb and the local/blah had to be in the same collection. Jun 02 12:22:33 hmm, you could probably swing that with some clever FILESPATH mangling Jun 02 12:22:43 Which I think it would make it easier to move between distributions with common processors Jun 02 12:23:09 keturn: they do, due to the way it searches file:// urls. but it just searches FILESPATH, so you could manipulate that to poke into ${PN} specific paths in an alternate area, if you were so inclined Jun 02 12:23:14 never tried that, just throwing it out there Jun 02 12:23:40 kergoth: hmm, I'll have to look in to that Jun 02 12:23:55 maybe tomorrow. gotta run now. Thanks for the suggestion. Jun 02 12:23:59 np Jun 02 12:32:05 I checked out the openembedded with tag familiar-0.8.2, but now the bitbake cannot dl proper source files. What can I do to get the sources manually? Jun 02 12:44:52 sajar: check the familiar source stash Jun 02 12:45:06 sajar: http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.2/ Jun 02 13:03:42 kergoth:ping Jun 02 13:19:43 proti: why are your patches not cleanyl applying? Jun 02 13:22:58 03zecke123 * r238 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: Jun 02 13:22:58 bitbake/bin/bitbake: Jun 02 13:22:58 Rework handling of pkg_pn. I still wonder if we should Jun 02 13:22:58 set pkg_pn[pn] at all in this method. Jun 02 13:22:58 Patch courtsey proti Jun 02 13:27:05 /dev permissions on c7x0 with udev running are weird.. 660 mostly so gpe refuse to work Jun 02 13:27:27 which devices have wrong permissions? Jun 02 13:27:58 null, tty*, *random, pts/* Jun 02 13:28:15 I can pastebin in a minute Jun 02 13:28:21 null being 660 is definitely a bug in udev (or whatever creates it) Jun 02 13:28:38 our udev lack permission file maybe Jun 02 13:28:51 the ptys should be 620 Jun 02 13:29:08 iirc are Jun 02 13:29:27 okay Jun 02 13:29:32 restarting - will pastebin ls -l /dev/ Jun 02 13:29:37 well, make a list of the ones that are wrong and put it in bugzilla. Jun 02 13:30:42 or will create permission file from device_table - but that is a job for tomorrow Jun 02 13:32:03 * zecke hopes to get past patching quilt-native on his build... Jun 02 13:32:10 heh Jun 02 13:32:34 http://pastebin.ca/13218 Jun 02 13:32:54 its /dev/ on my husky Jun 02 13:32:54 pb_: that is on FreeBSD Jun 02 13:33:33 zecke: oh, right Jun 02 13:34:39 pb_: device_table is: /dev/STH type perm uid gid ? Jun 02 13:34:47 zecke: be careful, remember what happened to Neil Stevens. Jun 02 13:35:14 hrw: I don't remember the exact syntax. You'll have to check the makedevs source, I suspect. Jun 02 13:35:20 aha Jun 02 13:35:21 pb_: what did happen to him? (I remember him from KDE) Jun 02 13:35:52 zecke: he tried to make OE run on FreeBSD, but ended up having a massive tantrum and giving up. Jun 02 13:37:36 I think http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/3/0397.html was the last we ever heard of him. Jun 02 13:37:47 I go sleep - tomorrow will fight with udev and gpe Jun 02 13:38:03 with current /dev/ gpe is unusable on my husky... Jun 02 13:38:21 bye Jun 02 13:39:25 pb_: that mail is a bit too out of context for me Jun 02 13:39:36 http://www.hakubi.us/ Jun 02 13:41:15 zecke: yah, I don't really remember what that was about anymore, either. Jun 02 13:41:58 it sounds like he had some kind of bust-up with "Lasron", presumably on IRC. Jun 02 13:42:15 heh Jun 02 13:42:19 yeah - good times Jun 02 13:42:29 lasron is just one typo away from kergoth ;) Jun 02 13:43:06 *yeah we're unix hardcore we do not map key in vim to something reasonable* Jun 02 13:43:16 ~lart FreeBSD Jun 02 13:43:16 * ibot throws FreeBSD's poor little doggy off a cliff Jun 02 13:46:32 yeah yeah quilt started configure Jun 02 13:48:07 very good Jun 02 13:51:26 lol no quilt no patcher, gosh FreeBSD is counter revolutionary Jun 02 13:52:05 heh Jun 02 13:52:36 zecke: I hate to break this to you, but I don't think even linux distros include quilt and patcher as standard packages. Jun 02 13:53:18 pb_: yes but it is not even in the ports tree Jun 02 13:53:32 pb_: and OEs version of quilt does not compile Jun 02 13:53:39 ah, that's rather sad Jun 02 13:54:04 still, if you are using freebsd I guess you might as well complete the retro experience and stick with patcher. Jun 02 13:54:14 no compiling needed! Jun 02 13:54:43 /ignore pb_ ;) Jun 02 13:54:52 heh Jun 02 13:55:18 now I can say what I like about zecke without him knowing! Jun 02 13:55:40 pb did you just call zecke a total loser? ;) Jun 02 13:55:44 Oh my god now pb_ could say what he likes without me knowing Jun 02 13:56:27 03koen 07 * r1.3472 10openembedded/conf/machine/tune-arm926ejs.conf: tune-arm926ejs.conf: set arch to armv5te instead of arm926ejs as Phil pointed out Jun 02 13:56:30 what does quilt compile anyway? Its a damn script Jun 02 13:57:22 CosmicPenguin: it is not Jun 02 13:57:30 CosmicPenguin: not only... Jun 02 13:57:45 CosmicPenguin: anyway when creating fold from fold.in a BSD incompatible chmod is used Jun 02 13:59:32 heh Jun 02 13:59:54 03koen 07 * r1.3473 10openembedded/conf/machine/nokia770.conf: nokia770.conf: remove arm926ejs from archs Jun 02 13:59:56 CosmicPenguin: (most of it is shell though) Jun 02 14:00:08 CosmicPenguin: but I've lib/backup-files.c as well Jun 02 14:00:21 I had no idea- I thought it was all shell Jun 02 14:05:29 ok quilt is unbuildable on FreeBSD Jun 02 14:05:36 what a unportable SuSE app Jun 02 14:07:51 oh dear Jun 02 14:10:19 pb_: is there a std. autoconf way to detect in which file alloca is defined? Jun 02 14:10:42 pb_: and how to include the file then... Jun 02 14:13:16 zecke: AC_FUNC_ALLOCA_ Jun 02 14:13:17 * CosmicPenguin hugs quilt Jun 02 14:13:17 there there - he didn't mean to say mean thing about you Jun 02 14:13:26 zecke: er, without that last _ Jun 02 14:19:12 03pb 07 * r1.3472.1.1 10openembedded/packages/lirc/ (lirc-modules_0.7.0.bb lirc_0.7.0.bb lirc-config.inc): Jun 02 14:19:13 factor out lirc machine specifics into an .inc file. Jun 02 14:19:13 avoid feeding LDFLAGS to the kernel linker, since it doesn't like them. Jun 02 14:22:20 pb_: ok it found the presence of alloca and if quilt would have a config.h.in HAVE_ALLOCA would have been defined Jun 02 14:22:28 pb_: but how to know which header to include? Jun 02 14:22:39 I always tried to stay away from autotools Jun 02 14:25:44 zecke: it will define HAVE_ALLOCA_H if you should include Jun 02 14:26:16 ahhh Jun 02 14:26:39 zecke: see the fine manual: http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/autoconf/autoconf_46.html Jun 02 14:26:55 I'm about to refuse... Jun 02 14:27:45 heh Jun 02 14:27:46 +# XXX Why is X disabled on all these platforms anyway? Jun 02 14:28:04 questions inside .bbs usually make me smile :) Jun 02 14:29:24 koen: we should write a bbquiz Jun 02 14:29:34 YOu've to guess the bb file for such a question Jun 02 14:30:01 cool Jun 02 14:30:07 I could play that for hours :) Jun 02 14:36:20 'night all Jun 02 14:36:37 'night koen|sleep Jun 02 14:42:37 03pb 07 * r1.3475 10openembedded/packages/lirc/ (lirc-modules_0.7.1.bb lirc_0.7.1.bb): update lirc to 0.7.1 Jun 02 14:48:47 I have a small problem while building a gpe-image for tosa. I get the following error: make[2]: arm-linux-gcc-2.95: Command not found I have seen this error mentioned someplace but I just cant seem to find it again. Jun 02 14:49:50 looks like you need the old gcc toolchain for tosa Jun 02 14:49:53 ~tosa Jun 02 14:49:54 from memory, tosa is the Sharp SL-6000 PDA, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/tosa.htm) Jun 02 14:50:00 eh Jun 02 14:50:15 why should tosa be build with 2.9? Jun 02 14:50:17 why is beyond me though Jun 02 14:50:34 what's your MACHINE set to in local.conf? Jun 02 14:54:55 my machine is set to "tosa" Jun 02 14:55:43 Now the conf/machine/* shows a tosa, tosa-2.4 and tosa-2.6 should I be using one the otheres? Jun 02 15:11:47 tpdd: No, tosa is correct Jun 02 15:12:16 tpdd: You need to install the 2.95.3 toolchain, as detailed on the wiki somewhere Jun 02 15:12:33 rp oh Jun 02 15:12:56 woglinde: If you want a 2.4 kernel, you need the 2.95.3 toolchain Jun 02 15:13:13 2.6 kernels can use the modern gcc Jun 02 15:13:43 rp is 2.6 really functional on tosa? Jun 02 15:14:13 woglinde: No, its a work in progress Jun 02 15:21:52 can you point me to where I get the 2.95.3 toolchain I cant seem to find it on the wiki. Jun 02 15:22:13 ~zauruskernels Jun 02 15:22:15 methinks zauruskernels is By default Zaurus use 2.4.18 or 2.4.20 and you need GCC 2.95.3 to compile them - all is described in OE wiki: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels There is also work on 2.6: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels26 Jun 02 15:26:34 damn gnu-config native changed again? Jun 02 15:27:10 oh, really? that's no good. Jun 02 15:27:16 someone should nail it down to a fixed date. Jun 02 15:28:10 pb_: maybe it is a FreeBSD bug... Jun 02 15:28:21 or INHERIT += " patcher " does not work any more Jun 02 15:30:42 ah patcher refuses to apply when their hunks that do not apply cleanly Jun 02 15:30:53 yes Jun 02 15:30:56 ah yes, it does. Jun 02 15:30:58 use -f to force it Jun 02 15:36:22 could someone check if gnu-config is patchable? Jun 02 15:38:15 today's version? Jun 02 15:38:35 yeah, seems to work Jun 02 15:38:55 NOTE: package gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050602-r3: task do_patch: started Jun 02 15:38:55 NOTE: Applying patch 'config-guess-uclibc.patch' Jun 02 15:38:55 NOTE: package gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050602-r3: task do_patch: completed Jun 02 15:39:13 hmm Jun 02 15:39:25 good for you guys :) Jun 02 15:39:29 good for us Jun 02 15:40:19 * zecke is forced to create pyuilt Jun 02 15:40:44 bless you Jun 02 15:40:59 Err, isn't the syntax "PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel_kernel26" correct ? if kernel26 is a OVERRIDES condition ? Jun 02 15:41:13 CosmicPenguin: not even the bash scripts are working (and yes I've it installed) Jun 02 15:41:29 aboeglin: yes Jun 02 15:41:31 CosmicPenguin: quilt new foo\nquilt usage: quilt new {patchname} Jun 02 15:41:51 wierd Jun 02 15:42:01 CosmicPenguin: and it has a lot of scripts to fix :} Jun 02 15:42:08 indeed Jun 02 15:46:08 zecke: make sure the bash scripts don't use #!/bin/sh Jun 02 15:48:07 reenoo_: that was my first idea as well Jun 02 15:48:20 reenoo_: but in that regard quilt is doing fine Jun 02 15:48:44 very strange Jun 02 15:48:51 how do they fail? Jun 02 15:49:01 oh, whoops, I see Jun 02 15:49:32 if [ $? -ne 2 ]; (my bash skills suck) fails for some odd reason Jun 02 15:50:22 zecke: do you have getopt on hand? Jun 02 15:50:35 quilt seems to make copious use of that for parsing its command lines Jun 02 15:50:55 pb_: yes Jun 02 15:50:57 hm $? is the status from the last command Jun 02 15:51:16 woglinde: see the my bash skills suck remark Jun 02 15:51:25 woglinde: it was probably $@ or similiar Jun 02 15:51:37 and -geq (greater equal) Jun 02 15:51:41 heh Jun 02 15:52:50 zecke: maybe your getopt is defective in some way. It seems to be part of util-linux on my machine, but presumably freebsd does not have that package. Jun 02 15:53:25 pb_: most of the *BSD tools seem to be defective from a GNU point of view Jun 02 15:53:48 zecke: you could try running 'getopt -o h -- new' or some such by hand, and see what happens Jun 02 15:54:36 -- h -- new Jun 02 15:54:59 that doesn't seem right Jun 02 15:55:06 I don't think that "h" should be there. Jun 02 15:56:30 yupp my GNU/debian doesn't have it.. Jun 02 15:56:41 actually I only installed FreeBSD to stop inbreeding for a momemt Jun 02 15:56:47 heh Jun 02 16:13:53 'night all Jun 02 16:14:36 'night all Jun 02 16:59:11 I need some help: I know all about generating and applying patches from work previous to the linux stuff, but I can't tell, from the patch data I have (linux patches) what's the source that these patches are against, si I can't apply them Jun 02 17:00:01 if I ficve you the urls that my patches come from, could I get some help in id'ing the sources they;'re against? I think they're oe sources Jun 02 17:00:40 sorry, "fivce" was meant to say "paste" Jun 02 17:01:10 perhaps Jun 02 17:01:36 ok, moiment, here comes the first, which is the parent Jun 02 17:03:03 sorry, I need some more time, my xterm is tossing it;s cookies when I try to paste from it (it's an ssh from a distant machine) Jun 02 17:05:21 ok, there are two urls, but I forget which is which, so one is only about 5k, it's the parent, but the other is a lulu, over 1meg in size, if that matters to you, be warned Jun 02 17:05:25 http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/gnupatch@41b81d5bxfjUnxSizeCy2LaqoIBDrg is one Jun 02 17:05:56 http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/search/?expr=linux&search=file+comments is the other Jun 02 17:06:36 ok, one of the (I think the second) is the diff, can you ID for me what the base is the diff is against (yes, you need to take your time, I understand that) Jun 02 17:07:13 just fyi, they are 2.4.20 diffs Jun 02 17:07:33 I wouldn't mind telling you, it's very much NOT an OE project Jun 02 17:08:21 I'm goofing around just trying to get a kernel running on the zaurus, the key player in my project is the userland, just so you know, I'm not a competitor Jun 02 17:08:59 the second link is a search result for a search made on the OE repository Jun 02 17:09:16 that souinds right Jun 02 17:09:30 the first link is some kind of patch to OE Jun 02 17:09:31 I want to assemble the sources that it's a patch agasinst Jun 02 17:10:02 did the first url help you any? Jun 02 17:10:23 I could tell you what line it is, but that's take me at least 5 minutes to get right Jun 02 17:11:24 the first is some huge patchset from sometime in OE's history. Where the heck did you get it? And why? Jun 02 17:11:57 ahh, the one that says "nslu" is the parent, that's what yo said, but I;'m going to refer to it as the nslu url Jun 02 17:12:48 dammnnit, I have that backwards Jun 02 17:13:58 no, I begin to suspect, keturn, that those are from two different sources, if you don;t mind, I will recheck them, and get back to you in 5 more minutes Jun 02 17:19:27 There's a project for the nslu that uses OE, yeah. But I would guess that OE is the parent there. Jun 02 17:21:38 ok, this is triple checked. The parent is http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/src/packages/linux?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages, the title of the line my diff is on says openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107, and the url is: http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/src/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|sr Jun 02 17:21:39 c/packages/linux. All I want is the ID of the sources that this diff is against (hopefully, the info will be enough for me to figure out how to do it myselkf the next time) Jun 02 17:23:46 I hope this is the right info. If I've done something very wrong, go ahead and tell me so, I won't get insulted Jun 02 17:24:34 I wouldn't mind chatting about my goal, if you might be interested, but I;m going to assume it bores you Jun 02 17:27:55 hello? Jun 02 17:28:30 well, nslu2-linux.bkbits.net is the BK repository for the nslu2-linux project. the patches in that -pxa-2.4.18-rmk7 subdirectory are probably invoked by one of the .bb file of the same name. that bb file will also say what sources its using. Jun 02 17:29:46 the URLs in the parent (you call it a bb file?) are agsint sites that seem derelict, like ezaurus.com Jun 02 17:29:54 <[g2]> keturn, I think nslu2-linux.bkbits.net pulls from the OE repo every 30 or 60 minutes so for non-nslu2 stuff it should be nearly identical Jun 02 17:30:24 let me give you a .bb file I had Jun 02 17:31:13 <[g2]> tell me the filename Jun 02 17:31:32 <[g2]> packages/.... Jun 02 17:33:02 gotta go. meeting in an hour and I need to demo the gadget. Jun 02 17:33:55 OK I have the bb file id'ed and ready to pass the url, but you're leaving on me, the bb files have bad download URL's, do you have a single good url at teh nslu site? Jun 02 17:34:20 oh, forget it, maybe I can ask someone else here Jun 02 17:38:02 can anyone tell me if there is a way to modify files before the flashable image gets made? for example I'm building an image with kismet pre-installed and I want to edit the kismet.conf and things like that.... Jun 02 17:38:06 is there anyone else here I can ask questions off, about the .bb files, and how to use them? Jun 02 17:40:03 also, if I have a collie, can I remove -mtune=xscale? and is there anything better than -march=armv4? Jun 02 17:40:32 <[g2]> chuckr, what is your specific question about the .bb files ? Otherwise, the the bitbake manual referenced from http://www.openembedded.org Jun 02 17:40:54 <[g2]> or just pick and read a .bb file Jun 02 17:42:06 test Jun 02 17:42:20 sorry, my irc client stopped working for me, it's back now Jun 02 17:43:03 I do NOT want to run openembedded, so I want to ask a specific question about a .bb file and a set of sources it's against, ok? Jun 02 17:43:55 this url is a list of .bb files, right? http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/src/packages/linux?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages Jun 02 17:44:39 or, maybe I should say, that the following title is of a .bb file, on that page:openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107 is the title Jun 02 17:45:44 http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/src/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|src/packages/linux Jun 02 17:45:53 <[g2]> ./linux/openzaurus-pxa_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107.bb Jun 02 17:45:57 <[g2]> that file Jun 02 17:46:05 ok, the second url is the .bb file, and I need 2 pieces of info Jun 02 17:46:51 <[g2]> actually the filename is everything after the 8080/ and before the ? Jun 02 17:47:03 I am looking to get the URL of the sources that all of those patches in the .bb file apply against, and second, the url of those patches (I think I might be able to get the second, but not the first, I need the base info) Jun 02 17:48:10 is the base the openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107 ?? Jun 02 17:48:11 <[g2]> that .bb has all the URIs and the local directory has any patches which are not pull via the URIs Jun 02 17:49:31 <[g2]> have you looked in that file ? It's a one liner Jun 02 17:50:07 the url in that file, well, I may have missed it but I've pored over it, and every url I tried did not return any data Jun 02 17:50:25 what's the sitename (I' Jun 02 17:50:37 <[g2]> there is no URI in that file Jun 02 17:50:41 I'm looking at the .bb file now, looking for the site name) Jun 02 17:50:50 <[g2]> there 1 inc Jun 02 17:50:58 <[g2]> there's 1 inc Jun 02 17:51:07 could yo maybe give me the sitename (the URI is the sitename?) Jun 02 17:51:59 <[g2]> there are about 40 URIs in the inc file Jun 02 17:52:04 I need to make sure of my language: what's the URI mean? Jun 02 17:52:14 I know URL Jun 02 17:52:53 I think what I'm missing is the site name,. and probably the begiiing of the path at the site Jun 02 17:53:34 how could I find out the site name? Jun 02 17:53:40 <[g2]> Here's my last thought for the evening: http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ Jun 02 17:54:20 OK, the last time I tried to read that file, it was 80% empty, but I;'ll go give it agnother try, with the idea that I do not want to run OpenEmbedded Jun 02 17:54:48 I merely want to use the sources that I find there to asemble me a kernel Jun 02 17:54:56 I don't want to use the buid system Jun 02 17:55:30 coul dyou give me at least one piece of data: what's a URI? Jun 02 17:59:04 I can't quite understand, all I;'ve been asking for the last two days is merely 2 little url's (and that's all the stuff I want) Jun 02 18:01:03 All I want is enough of a url so I can begin downloading, then I'm out of your hair Jun 02 18:01:41 I think that a bunch of mistaken assumotions are being made Jun 02 18:01:52 (some by me) Jun 02 18:09:32 chuckr: what do you need to download? Jun 02 18:10:15 I want to use a .bb file that I found on your site to assemble a set of sources. I do not want to use (I think) openembedded to build anything at all Jun 02 18:10:26 my problem is double Jun 02 18:10:53 chuckr: okay, you need some source files, which ones do you need? Jun 02 18:11:26 Zero_Chance, I can't type all that fast, hold on one Jun 02 18:12:20 I need to know the name of the sources file that a particualr set of patches is agasint (this might be trivial, and might actually have been partially answered earler) Jun 02 18:12:54 chuckr: okay, I'll try, where's the patch Jun 02 18:13:09 and I need to know the full path (I'm missing the site name and the beginning of the path) for the patch files I want, the pathces themselves, the names I have Jun 02 18:13:22 thanjks VERY much! Jun 02 18:13:26 give me a moemnt Jun 02 18:13:38 chuckr: show me what you have, and I'll try Jun 02 18:14:22 here's teh .bb file: http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/src/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|src/packages/linux Jun 02 18:15:02 the link that pointed to that .bb file id'd it as openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107 Jun 02 18:16:16 I need the name of the sources that all the patches are against (I might have just pasted it ab0ve??) and more importantly, the site name and beginning of the download path for that file and also for all of the "File:" references in the .bb file Jun 02 18:16:26 that' Jun 02 18:16:43 ssorry, that's all I want, I don't want to use OE's buiold system Jun 02 18:16:51 I have my own Jun 02 18:17:12 oh? Jun 02 18:17:35 I have goals that are a *little* bit different than yours, and I;'m perfectly wiling to discuss them if you aren't borted by that Jun 02 18:17:56 you have your own build system and you don't even know what a URI is? Jun 02 18:18:09 but I've been runnign under the assumption that you have your own projec t and don't want to know about mine Jun 02 18:18:26 I'm quite good at gmake Jun 02 18:18:40 what is yours? Jun 02 18:18:41 I don't know what a URI is, no Jun 02 18:18:54 URI is what you put in the location field in a web browser Jun 02 18:18:59 among other places Jun 02 18:19:42 my main goal is a sustem that allows dual access (controlled via hotkey) at the system, one via X11, the other via (goddamn, I can never remember the name I want here) the libqte type access Jun 02 18:20:11 what' s the name of the other kind of access, not X11, it's using a bit array type access? Jun 02 18:20:34 anyhow, I have already done it once, so I know I can do this Jun 02 18:20:40 you mean two vts? Jun 02 18:20:55 can yo please give me the URI (both what it is and huh, what it is??) Jun 02 18:20:57 one w/ X, one w/ Qtopia? Jun 02 18:21:13 URI is like http://google.com or mailto:luke-jr@dashjr.org Jun 02 18:21:32 yes, but I can' remember the name, the general purpose name of the Qtopia type access Jun 02 18:21:34 Uniform Resource Indicator Jun 02 18:21:40 thanks Jun 02 18:21:48 There is no general-purpose name of Qtopia... framebuffer?\ Jun 02 18:21:56 I suppose that is the site name [art of the URL? Jun 02 18:22:05 framebuffer, right! Jun 02 18:22:14 URL would not include mailto: Jun 02 18:22:21 URL is only stuff with :// and such Jun 02 18:22:27 I've been unable to remember that for 2 g-d weeks now, I will write it down! Jun 02 18:22:32 chuckr: I think X11 uses a framebuffer too Jun 02 18:22:52 sorry about that, framebuffer issue. Jun 02 18:22:54 chuckr: anyway, OE can build a dual X11/Qtopia distro Jun 02 18:22:58 chuckr: it doesn't care Jun 02 18:23:00 chuckr: now, what exactly do you need? Jun 02 18:23:15 well, if you want to think of it that way, but really, it's using a framebuffer type access, and the clients all use normal X11 comunications protocols Jun 02 18:23:28 chuckr: that's what the GPE image is Jun 02 18:23:49 chuckr: or any image w/ X11 Jun 02 18:24:02 I don't argue, they are two differnt types, though, and if clients (such as xgerm) is compiled for one, it won't work for the other Jun 02 18:24:06 Zero_Chaos: he wants to build a gpe-image from what I can tell, and thinks OE won't support it... o.O Jun 02 18:24:20 * Zero_Chaos rolls his eyes Jun 02 18:24:33 I think you are making a mistake again Jun 02 18:24:54 chuckr: X11 is X11 Jun 02 18:25:32 I think that OE supports it, and the only reason that I don't use OE is because I know my existing system quite well, and I want to have things go my way, not yours, and don't intend to argue about it Jun 02 18:25:34 you can mix libs and servers all you want, but if they both use the X11 protocol, they should work Jun 02 18:25:50 agreed Jun 02 18:25:50 chuckr: your existing system supports cross-compiling? Jun 02 18:25:55 sure Jun 02 18:26:04 it darn well better! Jun 02 18:26:05 I wasn't aware there was an alternative to BitBake Jun 02 18:26:17 there are about a half dozen Jun 02 18:26:25 like what? Jun 02 18:26:37 well, ok, the pdaXrom system Jun 02 18:26:37 Luke-Jr: there are indeed several alturnatives. Jun 02 18:26:54 it uses a set of fairly complicated gmake scripts Jun 02 18:27:12 can I please ask for that URI? Jun 02 18:27:21 what URI? Jun 02 18:27:32 did someone already give it to me, and I missed it? Jun 02 18:28:02 I need to know the address I can download the patches in that .bb file, and the base file it's against Jun 02 18:28:15 I have that .bb file Jun 02 18:28:47 I will trade you, if you give that to me, I will describe my oprojecfg in as much detail as you could ask for Jun 02 18:28:58 sorry project Jun 02 18:29:04 chuckr: what is the bb file? and don't give me a long like, just tell me what the name of the bb file is. Jun 02 18:29:14 I let my fingers fly when I get to typing too quicly Jun 02 18:29:32 moment I gave it easlier, let me recheck it Jun 02 18:30:05 here it is:http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/src/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|src/packages/linux: Jun 02 18:31:14 I have some better data, some entire patches (one is about 30 megs in size, the other is 1 meg, makes me wonder, maybe the 30 meg one is a -N file??) Jun 02 18:31:53 chuckr: that looks like a link to one of the kernels.... is that what you need? Jun 02 18:32:07 YES Jun 02 18:32:38 I am trying to put the kernel toghether, so I need the base the patches are agasint, and the address to down load the patches Jun 02 18:33:05 okay, are you building a kernel for a sharp zaurus? Jun 02 18:33:28 ok, I have a better set of data, can I ask you to put up with me for 2 more minutes? Jun 02 18:34:02 chuckr: I am trying to help, you are just not giving me information that I can work with. Jun 02 18:34:13 chuckr: what device are you trying to build a kernel for? Jun 02 18:34:22 I am being pused faster than i can tyope, what can I do!! Jun 02 18:34:58 chuckr: answer the question, what device are you trying to build a kernel for... Jun 02 18:35:15 I want a kernel that will serve as a base for 2.4.20 Jun 02 18:35:18 embedix Jun 02 18:35:42 if you drag me away from the other machien that I was looking up the url on, it's gong to take longer Jun 02 18:36:03 chuckr: what device, Sharp Zaurus SL-5500, some kind of IPAQ, what? Jun 02 18:36:11 the C3000 Jun 02 18:36:40 now we are getting somewhere. Jun 02 18:37:03 Luke-Jr: do you know what the current OE kernel for the C3000 is? Jun 02 18:37:23 I have a url that gives me a nice single patch, I am trying to get that back (I had it last night) Jun 02 18:40:59 here's a good URL:http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/anno/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb@1.9 Jun 02 18:41:51 this is for a .bb file that I would *love* to get the sources for, bot the sources to patch against, the the sources for each of the patches ID'ed as "File:" Jun 02 18:41:55 can anyone here tell me what the c3000 is called in conf/machine/*.conf? Jun 02 18:42:02 spitz Jun 02 18:42:59 oh, hold one moment, i have a thing called a Changetset, I thin kthat's better to use Jun 02 18:44:29 chuckr: if I download everything you need and dcc it to you, will that work? Jun 02 18:45:01 nno, because it won't give me the key data: the site name Jun 02 18:45:13 I do n't want to have to anser this agasisnt tomorrow Jun 02 18:45:27 I want to answer it one time and have that serve for all. Jun 02 18:45:48 chuckr: what "site name" do you need, I think I'm confused... Jun 02 18:45:50 look at th is url: http://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/related/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107.inc?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|src/packages/linux Jun 02 18:46:53 in there are a bunch of ChangeSEts, and if I deintify the right one, I can get all the patches I need, so then I merely need to know the name of the site I need to get the base from for those patches, and tha nem for any particular Changesset of teh base Jun 02 18:47:45 that page I gave to yo, the older the listing, the largeer the set of patches Jun 02 18:48:12 I need to konw the base they're against Jun 02 18:48:26 chuckr: if you take an hour and install OE, I think you can solve your own problem must faster than querying people in here. Personally, I have no idea what you need. Jun 02 18:49:00 ok, tell, you what, you tell me how to get ANY kernel that's 2.4.20 and I will interpolate the data I get Jun 02 18:49:44 chuckr: the way I would do it is to setup my OE with MACHINE="spitz" and then it all does it by itself from there Jun 02 18:49:44 I'm doing a horriblem, horrible job of managing someone who cklearly wants to help me, and I'm getting \mad at myself Jun 02 18:50:23 I trtied that, it siimmply stopped, and one fella got too mad at me (I don't want o use his name) and I coujldn't ask any more Jun 02 18:50:46 all I want is the sources Jun 02 18:51:16 chuckr: maybe I can help you a little with OE then, and you can get what you need the only way I know how. You have OE and bitbake setup on your computer? Jun 02 18:51:19 could you arrange to give me one set of sources, give me instructions on how to ge them (don['t do it for me)? Jun 02 18:52:36 chuckr: OE downloads all that stuff by itself, It pulls sources from lots of places, I'd suggest you use OE even if you only want it to download sources Jun 02 19:44:29 chuckr: there are 40 different files needed in openzaurus-pxa_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107.inc Jun 02 19:44:43 chuckr: many of which may not be on the web Jun 02 19:44:47 at least, not via HTTP Jun 02 19:45:57 Use bk-client to download OE and get the patches from openembedded/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107/ Jun 02 19:54:42 ZeroChance talked me into re-trying the oe thing, this time he had me using BitKeepr, I took the tar path last time, but it did me no good, it's still unable to patch nano Jun 02 19:55:34 I have a 40 line error listing Jun 02 19:58:32 my oe error listing is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/pcrwVS47.html Jun 02 19:58:50 it's still not able to patch nano Jun 02 20:08:46 chuckr: why are you messing with nano anyway? Jun 02 20:08:57 Luke-Jr: he just wants something to work Jun 02 20:09:17 chuckr: rm -rf /usr/tmp Jun 02 20:09:32 Zero_Chaos: I thought he just wanted the patch files Jun 02 20:10:13 Luke-Jr: if you want to give him a link to everything he needs to compile a kernel for his c3000 then be my guest, I was just going to make OE work... Jun 02 20:10:47 Zero_Chaos: Good luck doing either... he didn't know what a URI was and he's got his tmp dir in /usr for some reason... Jun 02 20:11:02 Luke-Jr: yeah, I know Jun 02 20:15:00 LoL Jun 02 20:15:13 I had him paste his local.conf into a query, and he got kicked Jun 02 20:15:53 this maybe a stupid question, where does oe expect arm-linux-gcc-2.95 to be. Jun 02 20:16:33 i am running into arm-linux-gcc-2.95: Command not found when building openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r39 Jun 02 20:16:45 there is a comment in the local.conf that tells you, but it can be anywhere in your path Jun 02 20:17:12 i think i got it. thanks. Jun 02 20:17:34 forget to replace "virtual/arm-linux-gcc-2.9.5" Jun 02 20:27:27 hm...another problem occured when building the kernel: | *** 2.4 kernels no longer build correctly with old versions of binutils. *** Please upgrade your binutils to 2.9.5. Jun 02 20:28:12 which specific program is the error message referring to? Jun 02 20:28:30 does it matter? Jun 02 20:29:19 i guess it doesn't. which gcc am i supposed to use? Jun 02 20:29:40 i am using the embedix gcc i found on www.externe.net Jun 02 20:37:23 jasony: read the ZaurusKernels page. Jun 02 20:40:13 hey kergoth Jun 02 20:40:17 all moved to mn? Jun 02 20:40:40 yup, settled back at my place Jun 02 20:40:49 now need to figure out what to do, career wise Jun 02 20:40:49 i'm in st. paul right now Jun 02 20:40:53 ah, cool Jun 02 20:40:54 for what? Jun 02 20:41:03 my gf's family is here Jun 02 20:41:12 ah Jun 02 20:41:21 right now, she and I are taking care of her niece and 2 nephews for the weekend Jun 02 20:41:25 then i'm escaping back to boston Jun 02 20:41:39 and right now, i'm melting due to lack of A/C in here Jun 02 20:41:39 uh oh Jun 02 20:41:54 they will be warped by monday Jun 02 20:42:01 heh Jun 02 20:42:27 and there's no internet here, which is even suckier Jun 02 20:42:32 means my irc is really laggy Jun 02 20:49:19 gb2: you mean no internet other than dialup or you somehow are on IRC not over the net? O.o Jun 02 21:04:09 luke: well, i'm over my sprint phone Jun 02 21:06:59 so after hours of building gpe-image failed with dependencies error (could not find libgpg-error0.postinst Jun 02 21:40:33 After looking through my logs it looks like bitbake is trying to write info to my machines /usr/lib instead of in the build dir is that normal? Jun 02 22:11:27 morning Jun 02 22:56:34 koen|sleep: Thanks. Jun 02 23:49:29 morning Jun 02 23:51:48 hello all, a strange problem. I upgrade my gcc-3.3 to gcc-4.0 and do bitbake again. Jun 02 23:52:21 this time, the do_patch stage does not work. Jun 02 23:54:19 It seems system does not generate patches/ dir in the package's directory. and patch files can not be cp to patches/ dir. Jun 02 23:54:22 anybody can help me out? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 23:59:57 2005