**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 21 23:59:56 2005 Jun 22 00:41:32 <_chronic> anyone else having problems with gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050331-r3 do patch failing on config-guess-uclibc.patch? Jun 22 00:42:29 <_chronic> arm/familiar bitbake gpe-image seems to bork there now... Jun 22 00:43:51 <_chronic> cleared tmp & bk pull'ed with no difference, though i got a successful build a few days ago :-/ Jun 22 00:49:42 good morning all Jun 22 00:50:55 <_chronic> mornin' Jun 22 00:52:10 morning Jun 22 00:52:42 * _chronic is a oe / bitbake newbie, trying to wrap his head around the metadata set and doing some test builds for ipaq, meshcube, and asus boxen .... Jun 22 00:53:36 _chronic: asus wl100? Jun 22 00:53:56 <_chronic> a variant - wl-hdd Jun 22 00:54:39 morning koen hrw|work Jun 22 00:55:21 _chronic: use "nylon" as distro Jun 22 00:55:24 hi Dirk Jun 22 00:56:09 <_chronic> hrw|work: yes, for meshcube, sure. repeat & stir for others too? Jun 22 00:56:39 _chronic: yes - br1 suggested its usage Jun 22 00:56:56 <_chronic> hrw|work: ah, bruno? Jun 22 00:56:58 _chronic: we have to merge all eforts on making distro for mipsel routers Jun 22 00:57:00 yes Jun 22 00:57:16 <_chronic> heh, met him a few times in berlin .... :-) Jun 22 00:58:01 <_chronic> agreed on merging. ok, will concentrate tests on nylon. Jun 22 00:58:30 _chronic: you both live in berlin? Jun 22 00:59:05 <_chronic> hrw|work: nah, i'm based in london. but i've been to berlin a few times to test meshcube olsr routing, etc. Jun 22 01:01:06 ah Jun 22 01:03:01 hmm.. one thing.. Jun 22 01:03:29 nylon is based on glibc... I want wrt/uclibc... so we rather have wrt54oe Jun 22 01:06:05 <_chronic> yeah, i guess uclibc makes more sense for the asus wl* Jun 22 01:12:26 how to name it? OE-WRT? wrtOE? Jun 22 01:13:56 OpenWart Jun 22 01:14:05 <_chronic> rwhitby-away: heh Jun 22 01:14:41 _chronic: I started an asusoe.conf a while back Jun 22 01:14:48 got it to work with an external toolchain Jun 22 01:15:02 <_chronic> rwhitby-away: really? cool. Jun 22 01:15:04 (was going to use it with packages for Oleg's firmware) Jun 22 01:15:13 03hrw 07 * r1.3594 10openembedded/conf/distro/wrt54oe.conf: updated wrt54oe distro config - we cannot use nylon as distro as WRT are uclibc based Jun 22 01:15:13 CIA-7: dont build Java on mipsel Jun 22 01:15:14 didn't do a kernel, just some packages Jun 22 01:15:16 03hrw 07 * r1.3190.166.18 10openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc3-build.inc: gcc3: disable building Java on mipsel Jun 22 01:15:20 o... it works... Jun 22 01:15:40 rwhitby-away: asusoe.conf is a thing which I want to totally remove from OE Jun 22 01:15:42 <_chronic> rwhitby-away: i got the oleg-stylee braodcom toolchain working. Jun 22 01:15:48 rwhitby-away: it has hardcoded path for crossdir Jun 22 01:16:03 hrw|work: if it's replaced by something else merged, I would be very happy to remove it Jun 22 01:16:20 rwhitby-away: look into wrt54oe.conf Jun 22 01:16:53 hrw|work: asusoe was designed to make packages which could run with the stock asus firmware using Oleg's custom firmware. Jun 22 01:17:13 so it uses a specific version of uclibc, which OE doesn't support Jun 22 01:17:23 <_chronic> rwhitby-away: oh :( Jun 22 01:17:25 rwhitby-away: why not to add that uclibc into OE? Jun 22 01:17:42 hrw|work: cause it was easier to just use the external toolchain provided by Asus. Jun 22 01:17:59 I was trying to get a specific package to build for firmware I had, rather than create new firmware Jun 22 01:18:17 ok Jun 22 01:18:18 (I already spend too much time on nslu2-linux, I can't afford to build asus firmware too) Jun 22 01:18:50 that like I have with wrt54 - flashed openwrt and plan to replace what I can Jun 22 01:18:56 anyone know if procps was ever fixed to package ? Jun 22 01:19:03 hrw|work: but we ended up porting the Unslung packages (which are outside of OE) instead. So asusoe could still be removed if no-one is using it. Jun 22 01:19:54 hrw|work: yeah openwrt is like openslug (completely new distro). and asusoe is like unslung (compatible with stock firmware) Jun 22 01:20:21 (of course, openwrt predates openslug and unslung) Jun 22 01:20:59 good to know Jun 22 01:22:21 Enter bug reports at [WWW]http://bugs.openembedded.org, login: guest, password: guest. Jun 22 01:22:39 The username or password you entered is not valid. Jun 22 01:22:51 jacques: you need to register Jun 22 01:23:01 then the wiki is wrong Jun 22 01:23:03 give me url of wiki page and I will fix it Jun 22 01:23:17 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi Jun 22 01:23:27 exact url Jun 22 01:23:39 I'd rather someone just fixed procps to not do install --strip Jun 22 01:24:03 all binaries are stripped by defaut Jun 22 01:24:07 I dunno how to get more exact than that - that's the page it's on Jun 22 01:24:18 search for "guest" on that page Jun 22 01:24:34 hrw|work, my point is, install --strip does not work when cross-building Jun 22 01:25:09 at least it doesn't for procps because it's trying to strip an armeb binary with x86 strip Jun 22 01:25:18 morning all Jun 22 01:25:39 morning RP Jun 22 01:27:05 hi rp Jun 22 01:27:15 shit.. I forgot oe wiki password Jun 22 01:27:16 g'day RP Jun 22 01:30:32 rwhitby: I created our 'official' org.openembedded.dev branch Jun 22 01:31:59 koen: yep, noticed that Jun 22 01:32:15 I also got an OK for testing monotone on handhelds.org Jun 22 01:32:37 <_chronic> weird, i'm now getting further testing with h3600/linux-uxlibc/nylon than with "standard" familiar ... %^} Jun 22 01:32:40 is that the same as openembedded.org, or is that owned by someone else? Jun 22 01:32:49 the same Jun 22 01:32:50 <_chronic> is that wrong? ;-) Jun 22 01:33:06 koen: so it will be mtn.openembedded.org ? Jun 22 01:33:09 openembedded.org redirects to oe.handhelds.org Jun 22 01:33:36 rwhitby: just plain handhelds.org for the time being Jun 22 01:34:02 nobody else at handhelds.org want's a monotone database? Jun 22 01:34:13 not at the moment Jun 22 01:34:33 like I said, it's for testing monotone Jun 22 01:35:01 ah, so it's not the official openembedded.org monotone server yet ... Jun 22 01:35:31 BTW, we should have viewmtn up and running on mtn.nslu2-linux.org in a day or two Jun 22 01:39:24 cool Jun 22 01:43:03 rwhitby: how's your branch called? Jun 22 01:43:09 (the nslu2 one) Jun 22 01:43:50 koen: haven't created it ye Jun 22 01:43:53 yet Jun 22 01:44:17 it will be org.nslu2-linux.openembedded Jun 22 01:47:10 I haven't worked out how to create the branch without comitting a change. I guess I can just make up a dummy change .... Jun 22 01:47:57 according to the mailinglist, you can't create 'empty' empty branches Jun 22 01:48:10 remove one empty from above sentence Jun 22 01:55:04 _chronic: distro=wrt54oe gives working gcc-cross Jun 22 02:07:59 2.6.12-mm1 is indeed very snappy Jun 22 02:12:51 hi mickeyl Jun 22 02:13:00 ~lart kwallet Jun 22 02:13:01 * ibot beats kwallet over the head with a microkernel Jun 22 02:14:47 hi hrw Jun 22 02:14:57 i broke pcmciaapplet again yesterday Jun 22 02:15:02 i just fixed it that morning Jun 22 02:15:03 *sigh* Jun 22 02:15:25 hi all Jun 22 02:15:57 re Jun 22 02:15:58 hi bluelightning Jun 22 02:16:07 hi hrw|work Jun 22 02:16:08 hrw|work: poke now works! (thanks to zecke) Jun 22 02:16:09 hi mickeyl Jun 22 02:16:23 hi koen|z Jun 22 02:16:46 mickeyl: pcmciaapplet lack icons which was in cardmon (that ones which show type of card) Jun 22 02:17:27 hrw|work: right. polishing GUI comes last. first functionality :) Jun 22 02:17:33 mickeyl: sure Jun 22 02:18:00 anything else you're missing in a pcmcia control applet ? Jun 22 02:19:20 for later versions i may even allow to change the driver binding of registered cards Jun 22 02:19:29 but for that i need to write a full fledged cardmgr .conf parser Jun 22 02:19:33 and I'm reluctant to do that Jun 22 02:19:36 i hate writing parsers Jun 22 02:19:39 it's soooo boring Jun 22 02:19:48 mickeyl: option to ignore configuring card Jun 22 02:19:54 mornin' folks Jun 22 02:20:15 mickeyl: with my wifi card I got "your card is not configured yet" - but it works without problem Jun 22 02:20:29 hrw|work: good idea. Do you want to configure? [Yes] [No] [Don't ask me again for that card] Jun 22 02:20:32 mickeyl: add action "ignore" (or "do nothing") Jun 22 02:20:32 hey Twiun Jun 22 02:20:46 hrw|work: "activate" is exactly that ;) Jun 22 02:20:57 mickeyl: verbs, not nouns Jun 22 02:21:08 "configure" "don't configure" Jun 22 02:21:31 mickeyl: change message in dialog.. Jun 22 02:21:33 koen: is that what the usability guys say ? Jun 22 02:21:37 yes Jun 22 02:21:40 i see Jun 22 02:21:44 yeah, will think about that Jun 22 02:21:59 "ignore" would be preferable to "don't configure" IMO Jun 22 02:22:01 "You have inserted the card Socket CF+ Personal Network Card\nSocket Socket" - what is what? Jun 22 02:22:36 well, that's the whole product identity in bold Jun 22 02:22:54 what should i do instead? Jun 22 02:23:15 ignore other then card name? Jun 22 02:23:24 that's tricky Jun 22 02:23:34 the card name consists internally of a 4-tuple Jun 22 02:23:37 now I have Hitachi flash 5.0 `[][] where [] is box Jun 22 02:23:38 and vendors are totally free Jun 22 02:23:58 eeks Jun 22 02:24:00 maybe add what class the card is? Jun 22 02:24:01 can you make a scap ? Jun 22 02:24:08 yeah, classname is a good idea Jun 22 02:24:52 yo lardman Jun 22 02:24:59 hey mickeyl Jun 22 02:25:46 nice thread on oesf :) : http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13392&hl= Jun 22 02:26:17 now all we need is for someone to add that code (ScottYelich's) to OE and see them come flocking to us ;) Jun 22 02:26:36 RP: can APM code be nicer to user? I got LED On/Off so often then machine did only that Jun 22 02:26:51 hmm.. where last time I was on oesf.. Jun 22 02:27:57 * mickeyl prepares for his lecture Jun 22 02:28:06 * lardman prepares for coffee Jun 22 02:28:10 bbiab Jun 22 02:30:33 mickey|lecture: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19066.png Jun 22 02:30:38 ~lart scap 0.1 Jun 22 02:30:38 * ibot puts scap 0.1 through a wood chipper Jun 22 02:31:03 hrw|work: nice lines, there Jun 22 02:31:19 ok I submitted a bug about procps Jun 22 02:31:45 bluelightning: thats what scap produce on my hardware Jun 22 02:31:47 lardman|away: how come nobody uses ipkg-build? Jun 22 02:32:01 mickey|lecture: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19317.png - correct one Jun 22 02:34:17 mickey|lecture: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19475.png with BT card Jun 22 02:34:29 mickey|lecture: http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/xim.html Jun 22 02:35:18 hrw|work: are those icons for qvga? Jun 22 02:35:22 mickey|lecture: btw. cardctl ident report BT card as function 254 (null) Jun 22 02:36:04 koen: I dont remember now which ones athey are Jun 22 02:37:39 hrw|work: looks like there's a glitch there somewhere Jun 22 02:40:17 hi zecke Jun 22 02:43:41 hrw|work: I don't understand your apm question? Jun 22 02:44:16 You mean you were seeing lots of Charge On / Charge Off messages? Jun 22 02:44:21 yes Jun 22 02:44:32 few per second Jun 22 02:44:55 Is the charger working? Jun 22 02:45:01 No Err ones? Jun 22 02:45:01 nothing more was running on husky and it was sluggish... Jun 22 02:45:05 no err Jun 22 02:46:14 hrw|work: I've never seen it repeat lots of them :-/ Jun 22 02:46:39 RP: http://pastebin.ca/15527 Jun 22 02:47:25 hrw|work: Which kernel? Jun 22 02:47:38 hrw|work: There is something wrong for it to be doing that... Jun 22 02:47:41 2.6.12-mm1 Jun 22 02:48:12 -r1 iirc Jun 22 02:49:25 hrw|work: I suspect its a preempt issue which is showing up due to the speedups. Its going to be a nightmare to fix :-( Jun 22 02:49:40 I'm discharging mine a bit now to see if it also does it Jun 22 02:50:00 ;( Jun 22 02:50:34 hrw|work: Basically, there is no locking in the charging code... Jun 22 03:02:18 koen: quite - I was going to mention that, but couldn't think of the name off the top of my head Jun 22 03:04:25 NOTE: [12:04] package procps-3.2.1-r1: task do_build: completed Jun 22 03:05:23 hrw|work, are you saying it's fixed or you cannot reproduce? Jun 22 03:06:04 jacques: ugly fixed to not be stripped at all Jun 22 03:06:11 usr/bin/watch: ELF 32-bit LSB MIPS-I executable, MIPS, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped Jun 22 03:06:40 hrw|work, in unslung cvs we would patch those to use a separate strip command, instead of the install --strip Jun 22 03:06:45 but it's a pain Jun 22 03:07:04 thanks for looking at it Jun 22 03:08:49 jacques: http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/fix-strip.patch Jun 22 03:26:38 koen: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8172216500.html Jun 22 03:26:43 koen: *idiots* Jun 22 03:26:58 hey zecke Jun 22 03:27:21 I did not know OMAP had a ACPI BIOS Jun 22 03:28:08 zecke: yeah pretty silly article for linuxdevices Jun 22 03:28:15 brave of nokia to be the first to use X on arm Jun 22 03:28:36 koen: right, handhelds having been using it for +5 years Jun 22 03:28:58 since '99 or so Jun 22 03:29:25 but X is sooooo huge Jun 22 03:29:30 I wonder when that editor will get his free zaurus Jun 22 03:29:39 koen: hehe, you read my mind Jun 22 03:29:40 int i = QFontMetrics(font()).width('X') Jun 22 03:29:58 X is soo huge i will overflow Jun 22 03:30:03 zecke: hah Jun 22 03:31:22 X on the 770 actually out performs the hardware Jun 22 03:32:17 in terms of how fast the pipe to the display is Jun 22 03:34:00 isn't it using a horrible dma->shadowfb->dma->fb solution? Jun 22 03:34:29 koen: yes Jun 22 03:34:49 zecke: original on informationweek is better Jun 22 03:35:05 hrw|work: I can't reproduce your charging problem here :-( Jun 22 03:35:06 mallum: It's also cool that X get's smaller and less complex by sponsoring matchbox Jun 22 03:35:51 zecke: without even using ACPI word... Jun 22 03:35:57 RP: :( Jun 22 03:35:58 koen: yeah without the shadowfb Jun 22 03:36:30 koen: matchbox has special running code deletion technology which makes X smaller and less complex Jun 22 03:36:53 that must be it Jun 22 03:37:28 koen: that happens when people don't do stuff they get paid for (X smaller when sponsoring matchbox) Jun 22 03:38:43 we'll see in 9 days :) Jun 22 03:39:48 * koen remembers to call 911 in 9 days and 5 minutes Jun 22 03:40:08 we wouldn't want nelson to suffocate when holding his breath for the 770 Jun 22 03:40:37 RP: 2.6.12 is quite fast Jun 22 03:40:40 koen: it looks like Nokia is short on child laborer... Jun 22 03:40:57 RP: now make it go faster when swapping to SD ;) Jun 22 03:40:57 koen: these bloody children seem not to be able to produce 500 770's within days.. Jun 22 03:41:27 yeah, I bet sharp has all of them Jun 22 03:41:57 zecke: they're probably having trouble squeezing X inside that small case Jun 22 03:42:40 that sounds plausible... Jun 22 03:42:45 "several seconds of lag time between user action and system response" how can that be? something must be seriously wrong Jun 22 03:43:05 Probably Nokia should use a X11 implementation instead of executing the specification of the protocol directly... Jun 22 03:43:32 jacques: app start up could be faster but things seem to respond well so I dont know what that comment means Jun 22 03:43:34 jacques: he pressed on a URL and it did not show the page content immediately Jun 22 03:43:47 jacques: the article it refers too has been pimped around a number of sites Jun 22 03:44:11 yeah I've seen that article in like two other places Jun 22 03:44:30 * zecke gets more food Jun 22 03:44:37 submitted by: pr@trolltech.com Jun 22 03:44:43 lol Jun 22 03:45:17 and X ran just fine on 4MB RAM 25MHz sun3's back in college Jun 22 03:45:49 jacques: yes, but arm9 is very different Jun 22 03:45:57 it's 'underpowered' after all Jun 22 03:46:19 heck I'm not even sure those were 32bit Jun 22 03:46:53 jacques: X runs like crazy on my 23MHz i960 Jun 22 03:47:23 (hp envizex x-term) Jun 22 03:47:27 koen: but TT make Xorg better... Jun 22 03:47:37 zecke: yes, and kdrive too Jun 22 03:48:03 http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xserver/xserver/ChangeLog?rev=3.341&view=markup Jun 22 03:48:06 gooo lars! Jun 22 03:49:02 zecke: maybe they are pissed at nokia for saying qpe required 'too much middle men' Jun 22 03:49:57 koen: where did nokia said that? Jun 22 03:57:25 koen: It would be nice for someone to work on speeding up SD. You want to lean on someone like Spyro ;-) Jun 22 03:59:49 zecke: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8351 Jun 22 04:02:25 hrw|work: How discharged was the battery when you saw those messages and did unplugging and plugging the charger in have any effect? Jun 22 04:03:37 koen: where do you read 'qpe'? Jun 22 04:03:45 cheers RP ;-) Jun 22 04:06:51 zecke: between the lines Jun 22 04:07:08 koen: with or without the GPE glasses? Jun 22 04:07:28 just common sense Jun 22 04:07:56 koen: without Men in The Middle could mean many things Jun 22 04:08:08 not paying MontaVista again for an OMAP port... Jun 22 04:09:03 or hiring lineo to mess up the code Jun 22 04:09:09 koen: right Jun 22 04:09:32 afaik for maemo men in the middle were hired Jun 22 04:09:54 correct Jun 22 04:10:07 but now it's company independant Jun 22 04:10:18 koen: so the statement of him only refers to the kernel Jun 22 04:10:40 koen: if you pay TT ~20.000$ you bought their platform in total as well Jun 22 04:10:43 and doesn't scare away 3rd party evil people with the GPL Jun 22 04:10:49 maybe the price is higher nowadays... Jun 22 04:11:05 koen: GPL is the only true Free Software License Jun 22 04:11:20 I'm not saying it isn't Jun 22 04:11:27 either you want to get rich and wealthy and use MIT (like mono) Jun 22 04:11:39 anyway, mono has a better license Jun 22 04:11:40 or you believe in Free Software and solely use GPL Jun 22 04:11:55 or BSD Jun 22 04:11:58 * koen hides Jun 22 04:12:15 koen: BSD is Free but not Free Software ;) Jun 22 04:12:19 GNU *muuuuh* Jun 22 04:12:26 anyway I'm spamming Jun 22 04:12:37 and I'm trolling Jun 22 04:12:55 let's write a slashbot together ;) Jun 22 04:12:56 I wonder how GNOME became a GNU project... Jun 22 04:13:25 by not having an evil license as kde used to have Jun 22 04:13:29 all founding reasons of GNOME a nowadays void Jun 22 04:13:40 are even... Jun 22 04:13:49 * zecke gets back to EE Jun 22 04:13:58 * koen too Jun 22 04:14:02 EE rules! Jun 22 04:14:04 CS sucks! Jun 22 04:14:22 Cornelius Schumacher? ;) Jun 22 04:14:27 :P Jun 22 04:14:43 * zecke is going to meet the OpenSync guy tomorrow... Jun 22 04:14:50 ah, cool Jun 22 04:14:55 Spyro: You know the mmc code better than me ;-) Jun 22 04:15:10 koen: but I'm not impressed... Jun 22 04:15:19 re Jun 22 04:15:23 zecke: don't forget to wear the 'vcards suck' shirt Jun 22 04:15:34 RP: about 95-99% charged Jun 22 04:15:41 koen: maybe his 4th or 6th try on writing a generic syncing infrarstructure gets better Jun 22 04:16:03 hrw|work: That's the position my c7x0 is in :-( Jun 22 04:16:25 hrw|work: Are you sure the charger is putting out the right voltage? Jun 22 04:16:43 RP: I used it before - but maybe port is dying Jun 22 04:18:14 how to kill shell on Z: cd /sys/devices/platform/corgi-battery/;ls;ls;ls - it will die Jun 22 04:19:02 wanna oops? Jun 22 04:19:49 RP: http://pastebin.ca/15539 Jun 22 04:20:45 RP: apm report 100% (cat /proc/apm) Jun 22 04:21:01 zecke: the main problem is that IMO the KDE people say it's shit whatever it is, since multisync uses a gtk gui Jun 22 04:22:43 koen: The overall design of OpenSync is like KitchenSync but written in C, not strongly types exchange formats, no formal verification of the input... Jun 22 04:22:54 koen: but there is one stupid thing... Jun 22 04:23:40 koen: multisync-os requires one hand crafted config dialog for each plugin Jun 22 04:23:56 koen: that solely defeats the point of a plugin system Jun 22 04:24:31 koen: even worse you release plugins + multisync + os seperately... so you will have bugs like the Config Dialog Data produced is not usable to the plugin... Jun 22 04:24:54 koen: I wonder if glade is not en par with Qt Designer or why this decision was taken... Jun 22 04:25:19 koen: and then MultiSync-OS didn't work for me (as a User of KS I can understand it...) Jun 22 04:26:06 maybe you can persuade him to have a centralized config gui thing Jun 22 04:26:25 koen: or use glade/qt designer xml Jun 22 04:26:32 mailed linuxdevices Jun 22 04:26:49 koen: With Qt each plugin could give a XML configuration dialog Jun 22 04:27:11 koen: and the platform could provide 'custom' sync specefic widgets... Jun 22 04:27:35 if the user accepts the changes, (using Qt) one can easily get the values out of the widget and pass it back to the plugin... Jun 22 04:28:01 I would have assumed GTK+ could do similiar things Jun 22 04:28:16 I think it can Jun 22 04:29:05 hrw|work: Looks like you're really having problems with it :-( Jun 22 04:29:40 zecke: or pass the needed params to the core and let the core assemble a dialog Jun 22 04:30:04 hrw|work: The ls;ls;ls doesn't kill mine :-/ Jun 22 04:30:05 koen: I'm sure he had a reasoning but I can not see it ;) Jun 22 04:30:22 and Gosh C... why not C# or python... but C... Jun 22 04:30:40 portablility and size I guess Jun 22 04:30:45 people should be good GNOME citizens and use mono Jun 22 04:30:46 RP: I restarted mine Jun 22 04:30:50 and lack of OO skills Jun 22 04:30:51 anyway their leader does so Jun 22 04:30:56 zecke: OS != gnome Jun 22 04:31:12 and mono isn't accepted in gnome yet :) Jun 22 04:31:14 koen: portability... that is a weak argument Jun 22 04:31:17 koen: size as well Jun 22 04:32:08 even an arm can run g++ compiled code Jun 22 04:32:52 some of us just like C Jun 22 04:33:31 hrw|work: Has the reboot sorted it out? Jun 22 04:34:55 zecke: C rules :) Jun 22 04:35:06 03koen 07 * r1.3591.1.6 10openembedded/packages/gpe-contacts/ (files/lost-icons.patch gpe-contacts_0.39.bb): gpe-contacts_0.39.bb: fix missing icons problem Jun 22 04:35:41 RP: http://pastebin.ca/15541 Jun 22 04:35:49 Spyro: when I do kernel stuff I miss nothing as well... Jun 22 04:36:13 Spyro: but for the desktop/userspace there are way better technologies to use... Jun 22 04:36:57 I would use C as well when I would get paid for the number of written lines of code ;) Jun 22 04:37:08 Jun 22 04:37:39 RP: what do you think? Jun 22 04:37:52 zecke: you just learn to write code faster ;) Jun 22 04:38:34 mallum: I really doubt that ordinary code written in C is faster Jun 22 04:38:46 mallum: if it is, there is a bug compiler bug in gcc Jun 22 04:39:08 mickey|lecture: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26189.png - another shot of pcmciaapplet with my memory card. this time wthut boxes Jun 22 04:41:16 hrw|work: That manages to crash mine as well. Looks like something is breaking sysfs Jun 22 04:41:19 mallum: X is written in C and we know it is huge, bloaty, slow ;) Jun 22 04:41:25 Probably a preempt bug... Jun 22 04:41:48 RP: uf.. atleast one bug is repeatable Jun 22 04:42:01 zecke: compared to ? Jun 22 04:42:09 mallum: Y Jun 22 04:42:16 just kidding (in total) Jun 22 04:42:22 zecke: me too ;) Jun 22 04:42:37 zecke: I love you really Jun 22 04:42:59 everybody love sick and disabled bastards Jun 22 04:43:29 hrw|work: We need to narrow it down to a reproducable test case, then see which kernel it started in :-( Jun 22 04:43:59 mallum: I want matchbox to do viewport scrolling. I know fvwm2 can do it (so it must be technically possible) do you've a good introduction to matchbox? Jun 22 04:44:51 zecke: it will be crack Jun 22 04:45:06 zecke: mb has no toolkit so it will be pain to Jun 22 04:46:15 zecke: Im toying with the idea of breaking mb wm core out into a ( maybe static ) lib so its easy for people to hack there own deriviative and do things that I think are crack with it ;) Jun 22 04:55:41 RP: cat /proc/apm gives me 100% Jun 22 05:13:50 03koen 07 * r1.3596 10openembedded/packages/gpe-contacts/ (gpe-contacts-maemo_0.39.bb gpe-contacts.inc): Add maemo-fied gpe-contacts Jun 22 05:40:05 03koen 07 * r1.3597 10openembedded/packages/imposter/imposter_0.3.bb: Add imposter, a standalone GTK2 OOo impress viewer Jun 22 06:05:57 kergoth: Chris you around? Jun 22 06:54:44 afternoon Jun 22 06:59:54 hi Sirfred Jun 22 07:01:06 morning Jun 22 07:02:09 Geo_KM: am now. whats up Jun 22 07:02:29 hi Sirfred Jun 22 07:02:50 * kergoth yawns Jun 22 07:03:33 RP: My SD card refuses to be mounted on boot. I need to reinsert it to be mounted. Jun 22 07:03:47 RP: Just for your information. perhaps it's useful for you. Jun 22 07:08:25 Sirfred: Its probably a udev problem - it won't be creating the node when it should Jun 22 07:27:24 bye Jun 22 07:38:35 hi Jun 22 07:39:24 hmmm.... Jun 22 07:39:24 wassup with the cannot assign to operator message? Jun 22 07:39:24 oops - neve rmind Jun 22 07:41:52 02is there anywhere something like a howto-port-oe-to-my-homebrew-hardware? Jun 22 07:46:54 first of all, stop with the colors, or you are going to hear crickets Jun 22 07:53:45 0201ok, without colors, howto anywhere? Jun 22 09:17:14 * chouimat is away: food and other boring stuff like interviews Jun 22 09:56:50 mickeyl: W100:Rot90:0 should be understood as 90 degrees clockwise? Jun 22 10:14:59 03koen 07 * r1.3598 10openembedded/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Tweak some GPE/maemo package names Jun 22 10:46:42 bye all Jun 22 10:59:21 Sirfred: yes, that's right Jun 22 11:01:24 mickeyl: It's strange, when I phisically rotate the screen, it tryes to rotate 90 degrees. Jun 22 11:01:43 I think it should try 270 degrees. Jun 22 11:02:17 can it do -90? Jun 22 11:02:37 koen: Isn't -90 == 270 ? Jun 22 11:02:45 yes Jun 22 11:03:08 hmm Jun 22 11:03:10 koen: Perhaps the way I'm understanding the rotation is not the correct one. Jun 22 11:03:12 this is from odevice: Jun 22 11:03:28 if ( hs == CASE_PORTRAIT ) rot = Rot90; Jun 22 11:03:28 else if ( hs == CASE_UNKNOWN ) rot = Rot0; Jun 22 11:03:28 else rot = Rot0; Jun 22 11:03:28 } Jun 22 11:03:41 this is the kernel 2.6 rotation Jun 22 11:03:43 Humm. Jun 22 11:03:46 compared to the kernel 2.4 rotation: Jun 22 11:03:51 if ( hs == CASE_PORTRAIT ) rot = Rot0; Jun 22 11:03:51 else if ( hs == CASE_UNKNOWN ) rot = Rot0; Jun 22 11:03:51 else rot = Rot270; Jun 22 11:04:16 mickeyl: I thought that CASE_PORTRAIT should be 270. Jun 22 11:04:28 mickeyl: If were're understanding the rotation angles clockwise. Jun 22 11:05:19 hmm why? Jun 22 11:05:51 native rotation for landscape is 0 Jun 22 11:06:13 Because the onscreen buttons are on the right side of the screen. So if we rotate 90 degrees clockwise, the buttons will stand in the upper side of the screen. Jun 22 11:06:18 when you rotate 90� clockwise, the CG silicon label is at the bottom of the screen Jun 22 11:06:31 mickeyl: Perhaps it's my english again. Jun 22 11:06:39 no they're at the bottom, because you turn the swivel Jun 22 11:06:43 mickeyl: clockwise is rotating right. Jun 22 11:06:45 mickeyl: isn't it? Jun 22 11:07:10