**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 23:59:56 2005 Jul 05 00:40:41 morning all Jul 05 00:47:53 hi all! Jul 05 00:48:06 morning all Jul 05 00:48:18 finally - i got my new devboard to boot my own kernel + oe rootfs :) Jul 05 00:52:36 morning Jul 05 00:54:11 I've tried a 'monotone pull'. The mt process is more than an hour working, with more than 90% of CPU most of the time, and it does not finish. Jul 05 00:54:25 Any idea of what could be happening? Jul 05 00:54:56 Sirfred|work: It usually takes a while. An hour seems like a long time though... Jul 05 00:55:21 RP: I tried it some days ago and I think it doesn't take so long, even for a full cloning. Jul 05 00:56:13 same behaviour here... 2 machines computing like hell Jul 05 00:56:39 seems like monotone beats bitbake ;) Jul 05 00:57:13 Sirfred|work: I think that sooner or later I will pull&checkout from scratch instead of pull&update Jul 05 00:57:58 hrw|work: I'm not doing it from scratch, I think that it's not a great update neither: Jul 05 00:58:04 monotone: [bytes in: 263.0k] [bytes out: 21.8k] [certs in: 432] [revs in: 131] Jul 05 00:58:36 Sirfred|work: I know - had that yesterday.. Jul 05 00:58:40 * RP hopes I didn't break it with my first checkin last night :-/ Jul 05 00:58:56 it looks like monotone needs 3GHz cpu Jul 05 00:59:13 Hi Jul 05 00:59:15 i get the error : Can't open XFT font when i run xtscal ? Jul 05 00:59:19 i dont know what packages i should include ?. i have used xserver-fsbdev . wont it pull the reqd libs ? Jul 05 00:59:23 i get the error : Can't open XFT font when i run xtscal ? i dont know what packages i should include ?. i have used xserver-fsbdev . wont it pull the reqd libs ? Jul 05 00:59:38 It would be nice if we could add a "only use hashes when absolutely neccessary" flag... Jul 05 00:59:42 hi do13 Jul 05 00:59:49 hi dirk Jul 05 00:59:53 hi RP dirk Jul 05 00:59:59 hi hrw|work Jul 05 01:04:19 RP: does SD mouting works in 2.6.12-mm1? Jul 05 01:05:33 morning Jul 05 01:07:56 when i run xtscal; it says Cant open XFT font ? i tried copying the file manually but it does not work ? Jul 05 01:20:05 uf.. this time pull/update was only 10minutes Jul 05 01:23:39 hrw|work: Mine is still working hard. Perhaps my P-III 700Mhz is not ready for the future. Jul 05 01:24:21 * Sirfred|work looks for the boost button on his laptop. Jul 05 01:25:50 what packages are needed to compile and include xtscal and ts utilities with the image. i am using xserver-kdrive Jul 05 01:26:26 do13: Its never worked on first boot. I thought it was working if you removed/resinserted the card.... Jul 05 01:27:39 It works that way, at least on 2.6.11 for me. Jul 05 01:32:10 eJumbo: tried with gpe-image? Jul 05 01:33:28 RP: my sd card is mounted - I dont remember when last time I get it off Jul 05 01:34:50 I can reboot and look Jul 05 01:35:06 rebooting.. Jul 05 01:35:48 i just want a rootfs without any frills with xserver and matchbox in it. i am able to build it but xserver does work but touch screen does not; Jul 05 01:36:18 eJumbo: ts_print works? Jul 05 01:37:01 it is not included in my file system. does xserver-kdrive pull it ?. Jul 05 01:37:07 i found a system with on-board VIA Eden to 400Mhz, whath cpu does it have? Jul 05 01:37:23 eJumbo: ts_print is in tslib-utils (or tslib-tools) package Jul 05 01:37:35 BleSS: VIA Eden - x86 (i586) Jul 05 01:39:04 does its cpu is Ezra? so CGLAGS = -march=i586 -m3dnow Jul 05 01:39:48 BleSS: I dont know more about via cpus Jul 05 01:39:56 np, thanks Jul 05 01:42:49 hrw: there is a tslib package but tslib-tools or tslib-utils is not there. i dont think xserver-kdrive pulls ts-utilities. i am trying to build xtscal. does it pull ts utilities ? Jul 05 01:43:48 sorry - tslib-tests it looks Jul 05 01:44:43 RP: Did you submitted the fixstretchblit.patch ? Jul 05 01:45:13 RP: I have it not in the sharp-aticore-oss directory after pull & update, but the bb file references it, hence build fails. Jul 05 01:45:38 RP: http://pastebin.com/307692 my dmesg from husky which has sd card automounted after boot Jul 05 01:52:57 anybody knows what is Internet Security EPC? Jul 05 01:54:50 ~lart dtl1_cs and 2.6.12-mm1 pcmcia hotplug Jul 05 01:54:50 * ibot gives dtl1_cs and 2.6.12-mm1 pcmcia hotplug a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" Jul 05 01:55:19 I love ibot. I want one for home. Jul 05 01:59:50 i can only find one tslib package nothing else ? xtscal does not pull ts_print ? Jul 05 02:01:18 eJumbo: if you build tslib then you HAVE tslib-tests package in feed Jul 05 02:06:51 Jul 5 08:46:37 c7x0 daemon.notice cardmgr[1963]: unsupported card in socket 0 Jul 05 02:06:51 Jul 5 08:46:37 c7x0 daemon.info cardmgr[1963]: product info: "Socket", "CF+ Personal Network Card" Jul 05 02:06:54 argh Jul 05 02:07:05 fine ; got it Jul 05 02:08:16 eJumbo: no, xtscal does not depend on ts_print. You need to install those utilities by hand if you want them. Jul 05 02:08:26 it looks like I have to make a patch for dtl1_cs ;( Jul 05 02:09:10 hrw|work: if it isn't supplying the right pcmcia configuration files, that's certainly a bug that must be patched. Jul 05 02:09:17 it should be a fairly trivial change, though Jul 05 02:09:51 sure Jul 05 02:10:43 I guess not many people use dtl1_cs cards. Jul 05 02:13:04 they are shitty - 230kbps max, no suspend/resume support Jul 05 02:14:12 ah, I thought they were faster than that. Jul 05 02:14:17 I haven't used one for years though. Jul 05 02:14:50 atleast I heard that they are no faster then 230k - and I never got more with that one Jul 05 02:19:52 if i include tslib in DEPENDS and ts-tests and ts-calibrate in RDEPENDS i get an build error saying:cannot satisfy the dependencies for ts-tests and ts-calibrate. why is this ? i want to install ts-tests,ts-calibreate so i included in RDEPENDS. what is wrong ? Jul 05 02:20:23 well, do you have ts-tests.ipk and ts-calibrate.ipk in your deploy/ipk directory? Jul 05 02:20:57 at a guess, the problem is that the package names are tslib-tests and tslib-calibrate, not ts-tests and ts-calibrate. Jul 05 02:21:42 how stupid i am ;) Jul 05 02:33:29 hi mickeyl Jul 05 02:33:48 morning hrw Jul 05 02:33:52 someone is subscribed to bluez ML? Jul 05 02:34:01 note me Jul 05 02:34:06 s/note/not/ Jul 05 02:35:32 mickeyl: could opie-pcmciaapplet show pcmcia:m0104c009FfFEfn00pfn00paB38BCC2EpbE732BAE3pc00000000pd00000000 string? it is used by hotplug to autoload modules (ofcourse string content depend by card model) Jul 05 02:35:54 woah. that's quite a string. how is it comupted? Jul 05 02:35:57 computed, even Jul 05 02:36:05 I dont know Jul 05 02:36:25 hrw|work: which tool can show it? Jul 05 02:36:48 mickeyl: hotplug/pcmcia.rc with debug on Jul 05 02:37:03 hrw|work: ok, i can have a look at how hotplug computes that thing. Jul 05 02:37:11 it is manfid, cardid, funcid and few other data Jul 05 02:37:22 kernel need paXXXX pbXXXX Jul 05 02:37:52 mickeyl: do "modinfo dtl1_cs" Jul 05 02:38:04 or other pcmcia module from kernel Jul 05 02:38:20 i get an error while i run ts_print: selected device is not a touchscreen i understand. i have created 2 devices at /dev/input/event1 and /dev/input/event0 and loaded omapfb. i dont know why it is not recognising the touchscreen. i have also done export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1. Jul 05 02:38:30 i get an error while i run ts_print: selected device is not a touchscreen i understand. i have created 2 devices at /dev/input/event1 and /dev/input/event0 and loaded omapfb. i dont know why it is not recognising the touchscreen. i have also done export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 Jul 05 02:44:24 hmm.. I dont understand pcmcia hotplug/2.6.12-mm1 idea in correct way.. Jul 05 02:44:44 "modinfo dtl1_cs" gives: Jul 05 02:44:45 alias: pcmcia:m*c*f*fn*pfn*paB38BCC2EpbE732BAE3pc*pd* Jul 05 02:44:55 so I go with root@c7x0:/etc/hotplug# modprobe pcmcia:m0104c009FfFEfn00pfn00paB38BCC2EpbE732BAE3pc00000000pd00000000 Jul 05 02:44:58 modprobe: module pcmcia:m0104c009FfFEfn00pfn00paB38BCC2EpbE732BAE3pc00000000pd00000000 not found. Jul 05 02:45:09 just like hotplug tries to do Jul 05 02:47:11 hmm i don't even get these information Jul 05 02:47:25 sounds like my module-utils are too old Jul 05 02:47:31 i can't update easily here Jul 05 02:47:33 I have 3.2-pre4 Jul 05 02:48:17 uh oh Jul 05 02:48:20 3.0 here Jul 05 02:48:27 3.2-pre7 is available Jul 05 02:51:10 ~seen treke Jul 05 02:51:10 treke is currently on #opie (2d 6h 36m 33s) #handhelds.org (2d 6h 36m 33s) #oe (2d 6h 36m 33s) Jul 05 02:51:15 treke: ping Jul 05 02:58:27 ok. Jul 05 02:58:31 NAiL: ping Jul 05 02:58:57 with 2.6.12-mm1 and pcmciautils we NEED modprobe from module-init-tools (or hotplug by module alias will now work) Jul 05 02:59:11 "modprobe pcmcia:m0104c009FfFEfn00pfn00paB38BCC2Epb44EBF863pc00000000pd00000000" does not work with busybox Jul 05 02:59:39 ya, that's not surprising Jul 05 03:00:22 there's more to that pcmcia restructuring than i like Jul 05 03:00:51 i don't want to change too much before 3.5.4 Jul 05 03:01:55 I can understand it Jul 05 04:21:55 i am just building an image; i want to see how the libs are build; execs are build; and what are the options of the cflags; how do i see it. does it get dumped into some file ? Jul 05 04:26:15 eJumbo: use bbread or add -D -D -D to bitbake Jul 05 04:28:49 i have already built a gpe-image and am building a image with x and matchbox; i think it uses the previously built libs. it does not build again. Jul 05 04:50:22 I try to build a bootstrap-image for jornado56x, and get this error mERROR: Nothing provides virtual/arm-linux-depmod- Jul 05 04:50:22 ERROR: dependency virtual/arm-linux-depmod- (for handhelds-sa-2.6) not satisfiedessage: Jul 05 04:51:24 handhelds-sa-2.6.bb is broken. It needs to set PV properly. Jul 05 04:51:46 (where "properly" means "to a string that starts with 2.6.") Jul 05 04:52:27 it should be virtual/arm-linux-depmod-2.6 Jul 05 04:52:27 :pb thanks, I'll try it. Jul 05 04:53:41 *sigh* Jul 05 04:53:59 reintegrating make back into bitbake is a lot of work Jul 05 04:54:07 i'll finish it anyway Jul 05 04:54:13 it'll be more concise and clear afterwards Jul 05 04:54:54 very good Jul 05 04:55:21 do you have any comment on #131 and #132 ? Jul 05 05:00:10 NOTE: package module-init-tools-3.2-pre7-r0: task do_build: completed Jul 05 05:00:13 yeah, that's a tricky situation. Really, bitbake needs to have a deeper understanding of cross-package task dependencies. Jul 05 05:01:21 for example, if I do "bitbake -c compile busybox", the do_compile step is not going to work unless bitbake builds and stages all the depended-on packages. Jul 05 05:02:06 on the other hand, if I do "bitbake -c fetch busybox", the expected behaviour is probably that busybox should just fetch all the depended-on stuff and not build anything. Jul 05 05:02:14 exactly. those are the two extremes. Jul 05 05:02:59 in other words, rather than just "busybox depends on glibc", it needs to understand that "busybox:do_compile depends on glibc:do_stage" Jul 05 05:02:59 if I will do "mt commit --message 'something'" will it commit into default (org.openembedded.dev) branch? Jul 05 05:03:05 hrw|work: yes Jul 05 05:03:08 thx Jul 05 05:04:10 pb_: Assuming that people know what they're doing, and assuming that we don't want to add lots of new code - the solution to just make bitbake not fail on unknown tasks in case they're explicitly requested by the caller sounds to be the best shorthand solution to me Jul 05 05:04:29 yeah, I agree Jul 05 05:04:59 ok, I'll take care about that as soon as I finished the make reintegration. Jul 05 05:05:13 great Jul 05 05:05:35 please remind me in case I forget that we have to document that behaviour somewhere Jul 05 05:05:49 perhaps best in the bitbake --help Jul 05 05:05:55 "mt pull;mt merge;mt sync"? Jul 05 05:06:04 I guess the bitbake manual would be the place. Jul 05 05:06:13 or, yeah, in the help would work too Jul 05 05:07:57 bbl, lunchtime now Jul 05 05:07:59 hrw|work: yep Jul 05 05:08:03 bon appetit pb_ Jul 05 05:08:08 smacznego pb Jul 05 05:08:52 RP: amusing, -vf rotate=1 in mplayer is faster than using the w100 to do the rotate Jul 05 05:09:04 XorA: nah, really? Jul 05 05:09:29 mickeyl: its true Jul 05 05:09:38 monotone: successful exchange with monotone.vanille.de Jul 05 05:09:39 uf.. Jul 05 05:09:47 excellent. your first commit, right? Jul 05 05:09:56 2nd Jul 05 05:10:18 lunch time Jul 05 05:10:31 smacznego hrw Jul 05 05:10:35 :) Jul 05 05:10:37 ;) Jul 05 05:10:49 mickeyl: can you spell it? Jul 05 05:10:52 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * raaa61c11... 10/packages/module-init-tools/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added module-init-tools 3.2-pre7 Jul 05 05:11:03 hrw|work: only when I'm drunk ;) Jul 05 05:12:42 mickeyl: to start my org.openembedded.dreambox branch, i just have to commit into it? Jul 05 05:12:52 tmbinc: right Jul 05 05:12:58 ok i'll sync then Jul 05 05:13:05 cool. lets see how that works out Jul 05 05:13:07 is there any way to prevent typos, except then being careful? Jul 05 05:13:17 i'm afraid not :) Jul 05 05:13:28 we should check if there is something like --dry-run Jul 05 05:13:37 i don't have the manual handy Jul 05 05:13:52 ok :) let's hope the list of branches does not turn into a list of the most pupular typos ;) Jul 05 05:13:58 well currently i check "mt log" before Jul 05 05:14:43 but a "changes -L" would be nice Jul 05 05:21:52 03tmbinc 07org.openembedded.dreambox * rc091dd2c... 10/conf/distro/ (opendreambox-1.1.conf opendreambox.conf): add opendreambox distribution Jul 05 05:21:53 03tmbinc 07org.openembedded.dreambox * rd831e618... 10/packages/busybox/busybox-1.00/opendreambox/defconfig: add busybox configuration for opendreambox Jul 05 05:21:53 03tmbinc 07org.openembedded.dreambox * r2456e6d7... 10/packages/base-files/base-files_3.0.14.bb: add opendreambox specific links, resolv.conf handling Jul 05 05:21:54 03tmbinc 07org.openembedded.dreambox * r5e8954cb... 10/packages/meta/dreambox-image.bb: add dreambox-image Jul 05 05:21:55 03tmbinc 07org.openembedded.dreambox * r6c67b78d... 10/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.bb: remove console on tty1, add enigma to inittab for opendreambox Jul 05 05:21:57 03tmbinc 07org.openembedded.dreambox * r688f3ae7... 10/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit/opendreambox/inittab: add opendreambox specific inittab: initdefault is runlevel 2 Jul 05 05:22:11 yeppa Jul 05 05:22:23 here we are :) Jul 05 05:22:49 It's just exciting Jul 05 05:22:52 * mickeyl hugs monotone Jul 05 05:22:59 ok looks good so far :) that's about 2/14 patches. Jul 05 05:24:15 however i'm missing my last commit. Are commits which only add files ignored? Jul 05 05:24:25 hm no Jul 05 05:24:41 the last displayed one also only adds files.. or are they just limited to 6 messsages? Jul 05 05:25:23 mickeyl: pong? Jul 05 05:26:22 tmbinc: no, it should show everything. perhaps in the next batch. unfortunately we use a poll style for now (5 minutes) Jul 05 05:26:43 NAiL: did one of your commits fix #44? If so, could you please set that bug to resolved? Jul 05 05:26:58 uh? Which bugdb? Jul 05 05:27:04 03tmbinc 07org.openembedded.dreambox * r1b162ad9... 10/ (6 files in 6 dirs): add machine: dm7020 Jul 05 05:27:08 What is bug 44? :) Jul 05 05:27:20 mickeyl: What is this make reintegration about ? Jul 05 05:27:46 * NAiL reads topic Jul 05 05:28:01 NAiL: something with openntpd. please see the bugtracker Jul 05 05:28:13 proti: make.py Jul 05 05:28:32 proti: has been factored out in the days where we had more than one oemake. now the time has come to reintegrate it. Jul 05 05:29:25 Ah. Where can I find this modified version ? Jul 05 05:29:31 aha, kind of, yes. The newer version of openntpd uses "ntpd", not "_ntp". So if the openzaurus feed has been rebuilt since my commit, Jul 05 05:30:08 afternoon Jul 05 05:30:16 proti: you can't. I'm working on it Jul 05 05:30:49 It involves some changes to eliminate module scope variables (make.) in favour of creating a BBConfiguration class. Jul 05 05:30:51 mickeyl: How do I figure out who's building the openzaurus feed? Jul 05 05:31:14 NAiL: for the releases it's me. for the upgrades, it's hrw. Jul 05 05:31:42 NAiL: feel free to set this bug to resolved, since it's fixed in Metadata and will hit the feed as soon as we rebuild / put it into upgrades. Jul 05 05:31:49 yeah, ok. Jul 05 05:32:11 I rather treat the bugreports as bugs against our metadata than bugs against the individual distributions. Jul 05 05:34:09 yeah, makes sense actually Jul 05 05:35:30 mickeyl: Bug#131, could the command executed be qualified as sub tasks ? Then bitbake -c semantic became bitbake -c . Jul 05 05:36:02 command are implicit taksks. Jul 05 05:37:00 yeah. problem is how to sort this implicit task into the task dependency graph Jul 05 05:37:21 which is why I'm leaning more towards ignoreing unknown tasks when explicitly stated Jul 05 05:40:08 re Jul 05 05:41:27 speaking about upgrades... I have to look how all those users fail with -r21 collie kernel. My collie works great with it Jul 05 05:45:27 talking about kernel... i'm seriously considering to remove support for poodle from OZ. Jul 05 05:45:39 or at least not to put out a release Jul 05 05:45:58 until someone joins us who commits to taking care about it Jul 05 05:46:06 mickeyl: closed bug :) Jul 05 05:46:11 NAiL: thanks Jul 05 05:47:54 mickeyl: Now,I'm not really sure to understand the bug at all. What do you want to improve, or what is the problem you are trying to solve ? Jul 05 05:47:54 mickeyl: or add BigGreenWarning with info that we cannot support that machine without someone with hardware Jul 05 05:48:41 proti: uhm... i want to solve malfunctioning of bitbake -c configure nano Jul 05 05:48:59 and #132 is a bug report to make clear we document the semantics of bitbake -c Jul 05 05:49:01 hrw|work: would be better to do no release at all with a request on website for a maintainer, if there is any form of release people will still try and fuddle by Jul 05 05:49:27 hrw|work: a warning won't get us anything. people will complain anyway. the lack of a release will have more impact Jul 05 05:49:43 mickeyl: I alway thought bitbake -c . Jul 05 05:50:10 proti: yes. however... this doesn't work. Jul 05 05:50:13 did you read my bug report yet? Jul 05 05:50:20 Yes, both Jul 05 05:50:32 good. then you know the problem Jul 05 05:50:38 the problem is an invalid task exception Jul 05 05:50:43 which is not quite correct behaviour Jul 05 05:50:52 ok Jul 05 05:50:55 or at least not what we intended Jul 05 05:51:06 how common was/is poodle anyway? Ive never seen one advertised Jul 05 05:51:15 hrw|work: lets see if darkschneider comes up with anything Jul 05 05:51:24 who? Jul 05 05:51:47 XorA: a lot of early adopters have bought it. it was the last supported model when Sharp USA had something to do with the Zaurus family. Jul 05 05:52:06 XorA: Unfortunately real developers spotted its weaknesses and didn't buy it Jul 05 05:52:14 mickeyl: ah, UK as far as I can see only ever got the 5500 which was everywhere Jul 05 05:52:27 ~seen darkschneider Jul 05 05:52:27 darkschneider <~gab@213-140-22-64.fastres.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 111d 17h 12m 55s ago, saying: 'hardwire: rigth :-)'. Jul 05 05:52:29 mickeyl: I didnt get one imported due to the total lack of ram Jul 05 05:52:35 XorA: same here :) Jul 05 05:52:37 in Poland seeing Zaurus is nearly impossible Jul 05 05:53:08 I got mine from argos (high street catalogue shop) Jul 05 05:53:26 I saw 3 Z in Poland... my 5500, my c760 and 5500 owned by one user from Spain Jul 05 05:54:48 hrw|work: can you do me a favour. please check which tags appear in the version of bitbake that you are currently running and then tag it once more? Jul 05 05:55:19 hrw|work: I'm going to commit a large change and if there are problems with it we will want to release 1.3.1 from the tag Jul 05 05:55:55 aha Jul 05 05:57:00 but how to look for tags on svn? "svn log" does not list them Jul 05 05:57:20 mickeyl: Ok I understand better the problem. patcher_native should have the do_configure from the base.bbclase, shouldn't it ? Jul 05 06:02:25 mickeyl: it looks like last tag was 1.3.1 Jul 05 06:03:17 proti: *bingo* Jul 05 06:03:42 hrw|work: thanks. can you retag with this tag pleae? Jul 05 06:04:34 mickeyl: ok - searching in docs now Jul 05 06:04:38 merci Jul 05 06:07:13 svn copy http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/trunk http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.3.1 -m"retagging before Mickeyl will push some large changes" is correct? I never tagged svn Jul 05 06:07:37 me neither Jul 05 06:08:28 it looks correct though Jul 05 06:08:38 since a tag in svn is just a dir Jul 05 06:08:53 but does it allow to retag.. Jul 05 06:09:18 ok. starting.. Jul 05 06:09:44 shit.. here I have anon only repo :( Jul 05 06:13:51 svn: Connection is read-only Jul 05 06:13:55 argh Jul 05 06:16:06 so I cannot :( Jul 05 06:17:12 ok, nm Jul 05 06:19:43 mickeyl: closed bug 15 as well. Jul 05 06:20:39 excellent Jul 05 06:22:21 and 86. Jul 05 06:22:42 kergoth`zzz, mickeyl: have you seen http://pkgconfig.freedesktop.org/wiki/CrossCompileProposal ? Jul 05 06:24:12 03mickeyl 07bitbake-1.3.1 * r270 10/trunk/: retagging before reintegration of make.py Jul 05 06:25:33 mallum: no i didn't yet. it looks interesting though Jul 05 06:30:04 mickeyl: as you and kergoth know a lot about that kind of stuff thought you should be involved Jul 05 06:54:53 time to update kdepimpi Jul 05 06:56:34 hrw|work: have fun Jul 05 06:56:44 lutz seems to have much time... Jul 05 06:57:32 zecke: recently it is quite easy - 2x mv and rebuild Jul 05 06:57:52 but I have to check does it work - I stopped using it Jul 05 07:00:44 ~lart RP for lack of patch in sharp-aticore Jul 05 07:00:44 * ibot pushes the wall down onto RP whilst whistling innocently for lack of patch in sharp-aticore Jul 05 07:26:45 mickeyl: bitbake -i then "parse;filebuild kdepimpi_2.1.12.bb;filebuild pwmpi_2.1.12.bb" - will fail on pwmpi/do_configure - works outside Jul 05 07:29:14 hrw|work: ok, would you add into the bugtracker please? I'll soon commit the make reintegration and afterwards I expect that some refactorings to bitbake and the shell will fix some of those bugs Jul 05 07:29:21 ok Jul 05 07:32:30 03mickeyl * r271 10bitbake/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jul 05 07:32:30 This (large) patch reintegrates the bb.make module into the bitbake executable. Jul 05 07:32:30 Said make module has been factorered out back in the old days when we had two concurrent Jul 05 07:32:30 oemake implementations which were in need of code sharing. Nowadays, there's no Jul 05 07:32:30 more use of a seperated make module and in fact the split has always been a bit Jul 05 07:32:31 artificial. Jul 05 07:32:33 A brief overview of the changes: Jul 05 07:32:44 *phew* Jul 05 07:32:46 * mickeyl exhausted Jul 05 07:36:39 all hail mickeyl! Jul 05 07:37:23 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r44956d59... 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (4 files): updated kdepimpi to 2.1.12 Jul 05 07:37:32 FYI: the full commit log is @ http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/bitbake/trunk/bitbake/bin/bitbake?rev=271&view=log Jul 05 07:37:38 mickeyl: argh Jul 05 07:37:45 FYI: and the patch is @ http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/bitbake/trunk/bitbake/bin/bitbake?rev=271&r1=268&r2=271 Jul 05 07:37:49 mickeyl: sorry but bb.make -> bitbake breaks bitbake_qa Jul 05 07:38:18 zecke: too bad. shouldn't be a big problem to repair it. I'll have a look at it if you tell me how to use bitbake_qa Jul 05 07:39:16 mickeyl: sorry false alarm Jul 05 07:39:22 *phew* even better :) Jul 05 07:39:32 anyway, the methods are still there, just in a different scope Jul 05 07:39:46 and the configuration is no longer directly in module scope, but in a dedicated class Jul 05 07:40:01 which makes the whole thing looks more understandable, btw. :) Jul 05 07:40:02 good Jul 05 07:40:20 i'm wandering home now. have theater cards for tonite. Jul 05 07:40:21 cu Jul 05 07:40:40 mickeyl: you ruine my business.. I wanted to sell 'Understanding python'-implantats Jul 05 07:41:00 ;) Jul 05 07:41:08 mickeyl: OT: cann I pull something from one mt db to another? Jul 05 07:43:27 mickeyl: I'm testing that bitbake -i bug with newer bitbake (r271) Jul 05 08:03:02 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rcd9371ca... 10/packages/maemo/nokia770-init_1.0.bb: Fix file location. Jul 05 08:03:03 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r9a5e7cd3... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Jul 05 08:03:03 Get finally rid of irda stuff. Jul 05 08:03:03 Update device fixup script to create some retro-style links in /dev. Jul 05 08:03:03 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r6a2d27de... 10/packages/maemo/nokia770-init_1.0.bb: Ensure that /lib/firmware is created. Jul 05 08:08:16 zecke: no idea sorry. I'm afraid i don't know more about monotone than you . i already read the manual twice but it didn't settle yet :) Jul 05 08:09:20 zecke: if you can't pull directly, then just say "monotone serve ..." and pull via netsync Jul 05 08:19:03 mickeyl: hehe how to setup netsync ;) Jul 05 08:19:42 pretty easy Jul 05 08:19:50 monotone serve localhost org.openembedded Jul 05 08:19:53 finished Jul 05 08:19:54 :D Jul 05 08:20:07 then mt pull localhost Jul 05 08:20:15 ah well Jul 05 08:20:18 you need to give the --db of course Jul 05 08:23:11 mickeyl: as I run out the door for CRL, check your e-mail. I will catch the answer in about 40 minutes. Jul 05 08:24:12 france: thanks! Jul 05 08:24:49 * france is away: Away Jul 05 08:25:40 france: howdy Jul 05 08:27:57 mickeyl: ok, I've set up the bugs to go to berlios Jul 05 08:28:04 thanks treke Jul 05 08:28:12 You also have admin access on the bug tracker in case you ever can't get ahold of me Jul 05 08:28:18 excellent. Jul 05 08:28:22 didn't see you a lot lately Jul 05 08:28:22 busy? Jul 05 08:28:32 ggilbert: hey Jul 05 08:28:53 Not particularly. Just got completely frustrated with zaurus and haven't touched it in a month or two Jul 05 08:29:22 d'oh. bummer. why's that? Jul 05 08:29:52 the stupid stuff like the clock, reminders, syncing Jul 05 08:30:06 I need to try another build again Jul 05 08:30:07 syncing gets better :} Jul 05 08:30:12 we will switch to OpenSync Jul 05 08:30:25 but I just got fed up and shoved it in a drawer. Jul 05 08:31:10 it didnt help that I was dealing with other unpleasantness at the time Jul 05 08:31:54 i see Jul 05 08:31:56 ya Jul 05 08:32:01 3.5.4 will rock :) Jul 05 08:33:15 hi mickeyl treke|home Jul 05 08:33:29 hi chouimat Jul 05 08:33:49 cu all Jul 05 08:33:52 hi zecke_ Jul 05 08:41:27 hi treke|home Jul 05 08:41:36 hi zecke_ Jul 05 09:06:47 hi all Jul 05 09:07:11 I seem to have an error with monotone: monotone: warning: caught bad_decode exception decoding input from peer monotone.vanille.de: 'protocol version mismatch: wanted '1' got '4'' Jul 05 09:07:51 This is when I try to run "mt --db=/somepath/oe.db pull monotone.vanille.de org.openembedded" Jul 05 09:08:04 I've not tried to generate keys, is this step required? Jul 05 09:09:21 lardman|work: Not if you don't want to commit to the tree. Jul 05 09:09:44 proti: okay, thanks, I'll see if a google will track down the err message then Jul 05 09:13:37 what version of monotone is everyone running? 0.15 (I have 0.14 it would seem)? Jul 05 09:18:04 lardman|work: 0.19. Jul 05 09:18:05 re Jul 05 09:18:07 lardman|work: 0.19 Jul 05 09:18:19 hrw: first :) Jul 05 09:18:22 ;) Jul 05 09:19:32 ok, thanks guys, time to work out how use rpm I suppose Jul 05 09:25:40 sorted, thanks, it's pulling now Jul 05 09:53:34 hi marcan Jul 05 10:06:13 RP: battery level is totally weird in 2.6.12-mm1 Jul 05 10:10:00 ~lart pcmcia hotplug Jul 05 10:10:00 * ibot blasts pcmcia hotplug to oblivion with a kamehameha wave Jul 05 10:12:36 inserting wifi card does not even load module or if I load all hostap by hand it does not mean that wlan0 will exist Jul 05 10:16:52 ~hail usbnet Jul 05 10:16:52 * ibot bows down to usbnet and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jul 05 10:17:24 RP: ping? Jul 05 10:20:52 cu Jul 05 10:22:01 bye all Jul 05 10:34:26 monotone seems 2 orders of magnitude slower than bk, in this 60mhz i486 it would take bk about 20min. Monotone might be several hours. Looking at top, its cranking on slowly. Jul 05 10:34:59 upgrade? :p Jul 05 10:35:52 do have a dual Opti, but this junk I use to handle Net traffic... Jul 05 11:02:52 france_: do you've a perspective on tinderbox.hh.org? Jul 05 11:21:17 zecke_: This weekend I took a 3 day brea from hh.org. I now have new perspectives. I am working on the admin todo list, as I type this Jul 05 11:21:24 s/brea/break/ Jul 05 11:22:04 zecke_: lots of things to be done, after the list priorites will need to be set, as there is a good six months of work that needs to be done. Jul 05 11:22:53 zecke_: I think, that I have found a volunteer to re-write the admin system, which is priority one. I hope it will free up my time for things like tenderbox, when not working on the 65xx port Jul 05 11:23:13 zecke_: USB serial in the bootldr is also very high on the list. Jul 05 11:24:36 mickey|theater: it appears that jamey tried to setup the list remotely, but failed, fixing..... Jul 05 11:29:35 france_: can I do something to speed things up? Jul 05 11:30:09 zecke_: I hope that in the next 90 minutes to have a list and schedule Jul 05 11:30:44 zecke_: we can then change things about as needed. Jul 05 11:33:31 france_: obviously tinderbox is the most important item, but maybe I'm just biased Jul 05 11:33:48 zecke_: :-D Jul 05 11:33:54 BTW: welcome dreambox Jul 05 11:49:58 ~hail pb_ Jul 05 11:49:58 * ibot bows down to pb_ and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jul 05 11:50:13 hail zecke Jul 05 11:50:35 What can a multiplexer be used for? Jul 05 11:50:43 :-) Jul 05 11:51:03 france_: http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/inst/ag-tech/teaching/LehreFUSeiten/SS05/19513-P/aufgaben/Labor4.pdf Jul 05 11:51:51 florian_kc: What is 'Automatic screen calibration'? Jul 05 11:51:55 zecke_: multiplexing, I suppose Jul 05 11:52:05 pb_: hi Jul 05 11:52:13 hi france_ Jul 05 11:52:23 pb_: hello! Jul 05 11:53:11 heh Jul 05 11:53:58 zecke_: Thats a misleading log message... it doesn't bring up the calibration tool on the first start. Jul 05 11:54:17 Only the netbook has some automatic calibration magic. Jul 05 11:55:34 mm. even that isn't really "automatic", it just uses factory-preset values from NVRAM. Jul 05 11:56:02 apparently they had a special robot thing to poke at the screen during manufacture and derive the calibration numbers. Jul 05 11:56:15 pb_: lol Jul 05 11:56:35 pb_: or child laborer, or simply a student Jul 05 11:56:49 * Luke-Jr starts writing a new build system Jul 05 11:56:58 zecke_: heh. no, apparently it really was a machine. Jul 05 11:57:18 ERROR: Nothing provides virtual/arm-linux-depmod-2.6 Jul 05 11:57:18 ERROR: dependency virtual/arm-linux-depmod-2.6 (for constin-pxa) not satisfied Jul 05 11:57:20 WTF Jul 05 11:57:34 zecke_: you lose. module-init-tools should have provided that. Jul 05 11:57:48 BitBake doesn't handle deps well Jul 05 11:58:00 pb_: yeah and it is parsed as well Jul 05 11:58:08 * zecke_ creates a new debian package of bitbake Jul 05 11:58:14 zecke_: I suppose you could check with bbread to make sure it really does provide the right stuff. Jul 05 11:58:31 BitBake only checks DEPEND one level, not RDEPEND multi-level Jul 05 11:58:39 Luke-Jr: pardon? Jul 05 11:59:02 pb_: you're so backward, bbread was deleted by mickeyl years, epoches ago Jul 05 11:59:16 zecke_: ah. in that case, best not try to use it. Jul 05 11:59:18 pb_: if 'aaa' DEPENDs on 'bbb' and 'bbb' RDEPENDs on 'ccc', and only 'ccc' is unbuilt, BitBake will try to build 'aaa' w/o 'ccc' Jul 05 11:59:34 Luke-Jr: right, RDEPENDS is not meant to be considered at build time. Jul 05 11:59:41 in that situation, bbb should DEPEND on ccc. Jul 05 11:59:53 pb_: even if it does, the same thing happens Jul 05 11:59:58 pb_: since 'bbb' is already built Jul 05 11:59:59 no, that's incorrect. Jul 05 12:00:18 well, if bbb is already built and it depends on ccc, ccc must have been built before bbb. Jul 05 12:00:26 'ccc' was later cleaned Jul 05 12:00:27 so, the situation you are describing can't arise. Jul 05 12:00:34 ah. Jul 05 12:00:43 I guess "don't do that, then" is the watchword in that case. Jul 05 12:00:52 =p Jul 05 12:00:52 patches welcome. Jul 05 12:01:22 kergoth: easier to workaround till Utopios's build system can replace BitBake Jul 05 12:01:33 i wont hold my breath Jul 05 12:01:35 game over, bandwidth gets stolen :} Jul 05 12:01:52 kergoth: I'm writing the ebuild compatibility now Jul 05 12:02:28 kergoth: the prototype APIs should be able to handle a bb compat layer too Jul 05 12:03:49 mickey|theater: MANIFEST needs updating Jul 05 12:11:14 kergoth: any luck on the job front? Jul 05 12:41:53 monotone.vanille.de down? Jul 05 12:43:32 ~fishslap mickeyl Jul 05 12:43:32 * ibot slaps mickeyl up side the head with a wet fish. Jul 05 12:43:52 yah, it looks like the whole of vanille.de is off the air Jul 05 12:44:01 I guess mickey must have tripped over the cable or something Jul 05 12:44:27 it went down in middle of my pull Jul 05 12:45:05 * mickey|theater has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Jul 05 12:45:08 I guess that was the clue Jul 05 12:45:08 heh Jul 05 12:45:47 pb_: hehe, some student cut off Uni Frankfurt from the wolrd Jul 05 12:46:40 hehe. yeah, it seems. Jul 05 12:47:17 * zecke_ continues with the MAX232 after some days off Jul 05 12:47:25 aha Jul 05 12:47:34 did you manage to get some better capacitors from your crazy prof? Jul 05 12:47:55 pb_: I went shopping myself but I'll fishslap him tomorrow... Jul 05 12:48:01 heh Jul 05 12:48:02 very good Jul 05 12:48:17 pb_: I've hardware lab, so I'll force him to help me... Jul 05 12:48:43 pb_: and I've another idea. I will create an analog 'alu' and connect it with USB Jul 05 12:49:43 that's an... interesting idea Jul 05 13:16:13 mmm Jul 05 13:16:21 OE/BB code is much nicer than Portage Jul 05 13:16:36 portage is that bad? ;p Jul 05 13:16:37 from the parts I have seen, at least Jul 05 13:16:45 treke: it's an ugly mix of Python and BASH Jul 05 13:16:49 Luke-Jr: hehe, the code base needs clean up Jul 05 13:17:05 treke: the mix itself is ugly, that is Jul 05 13:17:07 Luke-Jr: I've just never seen bb described as anything approaching "nice" :p Jul 05 13:17:21 heh Jul 05 13:17:58 I'm working on the portage/ebuild compatibility for a new build sys/pkg manager now and am looking forward to writing the OE/BB compat ;) Jul 05 13:18:55 with OE/BB's design, I might not end up using much BB code itself tho Jul 05 13:20:43 have fun Jul 05 13:21:09 I'm considerung using A/D D/A converters instead of designing my own Jul 05 13:22:06 cu all Jul 05 13:22:13 hrw|gone: cya Jul 05 13:48:03 I'm having a problem with downloading quilt-native. Bitbake doesn't download it, it just says do_fetch_started and do_fetch_completed, tries to extract the file and fails. Jul 05 13:50:31 http://pastebin.com/308003 Jul 05 14:03:40 hrw|gone: I'd be interested in any expansion on "weird" re the c7x0 battery :) Jul 05 14:05:52 micropal: you've incompletely fetched quilt before? Jul 05 14:06:17 no, my ~/sources is clean Jul 05 14:06:54 micropal: it did not fetch quilt! Jul 05 14:07:10 micropal: # Jul 05 14:07:10 NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39-r0: task do_fetch: started Jul 05 14:07:10 # Jul 05 14:07:10 NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39-r0: task do_fetch: completed Jul 05 14:07:12 I know, but why? Jul 05 14:07:26 nothing inbetween, it thinks it has fetched quilt already Jul 05 14:07:40 because there is a quilt tarball in your DLDIR Jul 05 14:08:38 Could it be that I'm missing whatever program bitbake uses to download quilt? Jul 05 14:11:32 I'm using DL_DIR = "${HOME}/sources" which is default, and ~/sources is empty Jul 05 14:22:38 well, actually I have gpe-confd-0.16.tar.gz in DL_DIR Jul 05 14:23:17 http://pastebin.com/308025 Jul 05 14:30:22 * france is back (gone 06:05:32) Jul 05 14:32:07 evening Jul 05 14:36:51 pb_: ping Jul 05 14:37:11 zecke_: at your service Jul 05 14:38:04 pb_: OT: do you've a hint how to solder five 'cables' (i18n_rev('litze/draht')) on one point when four are already soldered Jul 05 14:38:17 I need some clever way to fixate these Jul 05 14:42:15 zecke_: ah, that kind of thing is always tricky. I don't have any clever solution, unfortunately. Jul 05 14:42:43 voltage pump is soldered Jul 05 14:43:05 very good Jul 05 14:46:07 pb_: hmm V+ and V- are at the low bottom of the specification Jul 05 14:46:10 can this be right? Jul 05 14:46:35 what voltages are you getting? Jul 05 14:47:09 the charge pump is basically a voltage doubler and an inverter. if you put in Vcc=+5V, you would expect to get about +10V for V+ and -10V for V-. Jul 05 14:47:44 damn Jul 05 14:47:49 (which is adequate for rs232) Jul 05 14:48:37 lol V+ is half of Vcc Jul 05 14:48:45 ! Jul 05 14:48:55 that doesn't sound too good Jul 05 14:49:13 nothing gets hot ;) Jul 05 14:51:05 your capacitors aren't connected up backwards or anything like that? Jul 05 14:52:50 pb_: could you please explain 'connected up backwards'? Jul 05 14:53:14 electrolytic capacitators is't bipolar Jul 05 14:53:31 zecke_: some capacitors (notably electrolytic ones) are sensitive to polarity. Jul 05 14:53:37 ah right Jul 05 14:53:44 if you connect them the wrong way round, they will stop capacitating and start conducting. Jul 05 14:54:20 which, in turn, will impede the ability of your charge pump to move any charge. Jul 05 14:54:22 ~fishslap zecke Jul 05 14:54:22 * ibot slaps zecke up side the head with a wet fish. Jul 05 14:54:39 I had assumed ti have bipolar caps :} Jul 05 14:54:49 What are you making zecke_ ? Jul 05 14:55:09 micropal: better do not ask... you would laugh Jul 05 14:55:23 heheh stun-gun? Jul 05 14:55:46 micropal: BTW: what do you want to build? OE date? version of bitbake? Jul 05 14:57:57 pb_: how can see the polarity? I see one side is marked but I do not know if that is + or - Jul 05 14:57:59 bitbake BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.3.0, bitbake version 1.3.1. OE from http://oesources.org/snapshots/openembedded-exported.tar.bz2 today. I'm doing an embedded disk-on-module-distro for my mp3pc Jul 05 14:58:19 zecke_: what sort of capacitors are they? Jul 05 14:58:22 micropal: okay that part sounds right Jul 05 14:58:28 normally the "-" lead is marked Jul 05 14:58:57 ~fishslap zecke Jul 05 14:58:57 * ibot slaps zecke up side the head with a wet fish. Jul 05 14:59:10 I = - if you rotate it 90° Jul 05 14:59:32 hehe Jul 05 14:59:49 pb_: http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/150000-174999/152281-da-01-en-MAX232N_Schnittstellenbaustein.pdf (page seven) Jul 05 15:00:11 and http://axim.narcotize.com/img/serial/max232.jpg Jul 05 15:00:18 yay I got 15 sequential $2 bills Jul 05 15:00:21 Are you good with electronics pb_ ? I would like to boost my homebrew ir-adapter, it's a bit weak at the moment. Jul 05 15:00:41 which connection of the caps is right? are they the same? Jul 05 15:02:51 zecke_: they are the same except for C3, and either connection is OK for that one Jul 05 15:03:41 personally I would use the arrangement from the conrad.com file, but either should be fine Jul 05 15:04:15 micropal: I know a little bit about electronics. Jul 05 15:07:36 http://cube.iu.hio.no/~s104086/transmitter.jpg Jul 05 15:11:57 pb_: with a probality of 50% I can decide how to solder the foots.. Jul 05 15:12:04 pb_: and with 100% I did it wrong Jul 05 15:12:30 It's a bit weak, even though I'm using two transistors in a darlington configuration. Jul 05 15:13:34 pb_: so V+ and V- to GND with a cap inbetween? Jul 05 15:13:55 or where would I get the 8.5V from? :} Jul 05 15:14:55 zecke_: right. one cap between V+ and GND (negative end towards ground), and one cap between V- and GND (negative end towards V-) Jul 05 15:15:10 the 8.5V there represents the output voltage at V+ Jul 05 15:15:29 5V multiplied by two and minus some fudge factor. Jul 05 15:29:28 pb_: I've now V+ and Vcc (negative end towards Vcc) Jul 05 15:31:58 good thing is cap between C1 and C2 is right ;) Jul 05 15:33:44 I fear to have the wrong caps again Jul 05 15:34:11 zecke_: okay, V+ to Vcc should be fine as well Jul 05 15:34:41 polarity looks right now, levels are wrong :} Jul 05 15:43:22 I got a little further by changing computers, but i'm stuck with this http://pastebin.com/308062 , some patch-error Jul 05 15:47:58 micropal: what CVSDATE do you've set? What do you want to build? Jul 05 15:50:00 night night Jul 05 15:50:47 I did a 'bitbake nano', haven't set a CVSDATE, just extracted the openembedded-exported.tar.gz and checked got bitbake by svn Jul 05 15:52:47 micropal: your DISTRO might set one Jul 05 15:52:57 micropal: sorry I need to visit my sleeping place now Jul 05 15:53:07 ok, but thanks. Jul 05 15:53:12 micropal: don't use any of the snapshots Jul 05 15:53:26 they are outdated and cannot work Jul 05 15:54:11 ahh, ok. Jul 05 15:54:44 treke: you around? Jul 05 15:57:33 ~lart the german scientific network Jul 05 15:57:33 * ibot beats the german scientific network to within 2.54cm of his life Jul 05 15:57:44 reenoo_: yes Jul 05 15:57:48 micropal: hey Jul 05 15:57:52 mickeyl: hey Jul 05 15:57:55 hey Jul 05 15:57:56 mickeyl: what did you see? Jul 05 15:58:07 "Kirchenkabarett im Mainzer Unterhaus" Jul 05 15:58:15 pretty funny Jul 05 15:58:24 mickeyl: hmm never heard of that Jul 05 15:58:30 sounds hilarious Jul 05 15:58:32 mickeyl: good night Jul 05 15:58:36 g'night zecke_ Jul 05 15:58:47 zecke_: I'll update manifest as soon as DFN is connected again :/ Jul 05 15:59:06 mickeyl: MANIFEST and setup.py need updating, I've done it in an anonymous co already Jul 05 15:59:15 ah ok Jul 05 15:59:17 mickeyl: I need to svn switch it to be able to commit :} Jul 05 15:59:59 okay cya Jul 05 16:00:05 cu Jul 05 16:00:08 sleep well Jul 05 16:00:44 treke: would you mind removing the snapshots? micropal is the second person hitting that error today... Jul 05 16:00:56 I thought I deleted them last month... Jul 05 16:01:31 guess not Jul 05 16:01:32 deleted Jul 05 16:01:44 great. thanks Jul 05 16:02:06 they haven't been updated since bitmover released the free client Jul 05 16:02:18 s/free/gpl/g Jul 05 16:25:46 g'night Jul 05 19:09:31 <[g2]> Ironnads -- that just makes me LOL every time I read that Jul 05 19:09:39 haha Jul 05 19:09:45 [g2]: bzzt Jul 05 19:10:28 <[g2]> hehe Jul 05 19:21:59 <[g2]> I'm looking for some direction on getting Apache 2.0 and PHP5 in OE Jul 05 19:22:28 <[g2]> I've got the built natively on OpenSlug and I'd like to get them working cross Jul 05 19:22:57 <[g2]> however, my libtool-fu and oe-fu are lacking Jul 05 19:26:48 dwww Jul 05 20:15:10 monotone: network exception: failed to connect: No route to host Jul 05 20:15:10 O.o Jul 05 20:16:04 treke: since when did BitMover GPL it? Jul 05 23:28:28 monotone.vanille.de monotone server appears to be down Jul 05 23:35:06 Morning Jul 05 23:46:25 hi all! Jul 05 23:50:51 why are the monotone repositories down? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 23:59:56 2005