**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 08 23:59:56 2005
Jul 09 01:18:58 <eJumbo> hi
Jul 09 01:18:59 <sirfred> God morning.
Jul 09 01:19:06 <sirfred> Good morning.
Jul 09 01:19:10 <eJumbo> Good Morning.
Jul 09 01:19:20 <eJumbo> and God Morning too 
Jul 09 01:19:30 <sirfred> eJumbo: ;-)
Jul 09 01:19:38 <sirfred> eJumbo: Too early to find the keys.
Jul 09 01:19:50 <eJumbo> which keys ?
Jul 09 01:20:04 <sirfred> eJumbo: Double 'o' on my keyboard.
Jul 09 01:20:13 <eJumbo> oh
Jul 09 01:20:29 <eJumbo> what time is it at ur place now ?
Jul 09 01:20:38 <sirfred> eJumbo: 10:20 in the morning.
Jul 09 01:21:17 <sirfred> eJumbo: Anything before 13:00 is too early on saturday.
Jul 09 01:21:57 <sirfred> RP: ping
Jul 09 01:22:26 <eJumbo> do u know how we can control what files go into /dev directory in the image 
Jul 09 01:22:57 <sirfred> eJumbo: No idea, sorry.
Jul 09 01:23:25 <sirfred> eJumbo: I supposed that was udev job, but not sure.
Jul 09 01:24:38 <eJumbo> too many nodes in my /dev; want to delete some and add a few interesting one for me
Jul 09 01:24:52 <sirfred> eJumbo: There's a rules file for udev in /etc/udev/rules.d
Jul 09 01:25:13 <eJumbo> i dont know what is udev ?
Jul 09 01:25:17 <sirfred> eJumbo: It seems to bind kernel nodes to /dev filesystem nodes. 
Jul 09 01:25:32 <sirfred> udev - Linux configurable dynamic device naming support
Jul 09 01:25:50 <eJumbo> i have not turned of devfs
Jul 09 01:25:57 <sirfred> eJumbo: It uses to be included in a modern linux distribution.
Jul 09 01:26:59 <sirfred> eJumbo: I always thought that udev was a better replacement for devfs.
Jul 09 01:27:05 <sirfred> eJumbo: I'm sure of nothing.
Jul 09 01:28:32 <eJumbo> trying to build a miniature filesystem. facing problem getting initab into it. i have included sysvinit package but not getting initab into it. i dont get a login prompt at all now
Jul 09 01:38:19 <NAiL> udev is a userspace daemon that adds /dev nodes
Jul 09 01:39:10 <NAiL> It doesn't require devfs. But I'm not sure if it'll run without a few basic files already in /dev.
Jul 09 01:39:37 <sirfred> NAiL: I suppose that some starting nodes are needed in dev, before the daemon launches.
Jul 09 01:40:09 <NAiL> exactly
Jul 09 01:41:21 <sirfred> NAiL: Are those nodes hardcoded in the rootfs image or created by some process?
Jul 09 01:41:55 <NAiL> sirfred: Well... if ejumbo's rootfs doesn't have any nodes, I guess they're not. I'm not familiar with the rootfs part
Jul 09 01:42:56 <sirfred> NAiL: I thought his problem was he had too many nodes.
Jul 09 01:42:59 <sirfred> not none
Jul 09 01:43:03 <NAiL> aha
Jul 09 01:43:37 <NAiL> Well.. shouldn't that be just editing the stuff in initscripts/initscripts-1.0/<yourdist>/device_table.txt?
Jul 09 01:44:37 <eJumbo> well, i will try to do that ?
Jul 09 01:45:00 <NAiL> I would think that's the way to do it
Jul 09 01:52:30 <sirfred> There's also a files/device_table-minimal.txt that perhaps has something to do.
Jul 09 01:55:23 <NAiL> eJumbo: Have you added base-files/<yourdist>/inittab? 
Jul 09 02:02:09 <eJumbo> NAiL: no nail. trying to add inetutils package to task-bootstrap.bb and its not getting reflected into the filesystem. added both in depends and Rdepends ?
Jul 09 02:04:18 <eJumbo> i dont have a my distro directory
Jul 09 02:08:51 <eJumbo> nail: i dont have any directory which is name "generic". i am using "generic" distibution.
Jul 09 02:09:17 <NAiL> try just making it ;)
Jul 09 02:11:57 <eJumbo> ok
Jul 09 02:12:06 <eJumbo> will let u know if it works :)
Jul 09 02:12:11 <NAiL> cool :)
Jul 09 02:23:47 <eJumbo> i just edited bootstrap-image to add inetutils in depends and rdepends and gave a image build. in the file system i dont find inetutils at all ?
Jul 09 02:23:59 <eJumbo> i dont know what i am missing ?
Jul 09 02:24:28 <eJumbo> i mean task-bootstrap.bb
Jul 09 03:58:02 <zecke_> re
Jul 09 04:52:17 <eJumbo> i am having a problem with oe; right now oe supports 2.6.12omap1-rc2. inbetween 2.6.12 has been released. so i created a directory:linux-omap1-2.6.12 and put my defconfig into it. and created a linux-omap1_2.6.12.bb file and changed the kernel source file name and patchname to be downloaded. when i do a bitbake. i get a kernel and when i load it into RAM and do a uname -a ; i get 2.6.12-omap1-rc2 and the modules are also stored under 2.6.12-omap1rc2. i dont k
Jul 09 04:52:17 <eJumbo> now why ?.
Jul 09 04:52:27 <eJumbo> please advice
Jul 09 04:58:43 <zecke__> so you built 2.6.12omap1-rc2?
Jul 09 04:59:47 <eJumbo> not rc2 but 2.6.12 i checked the timestamps of these 2 directories in TMPDIR/work
Jul 09 05:01:10 <eJumbo> i am really confused. how to make sure only 2.6.12 is built and not 2.6.12oma1rc2
Jul 09 05:01:17 <zecke__> bitbake -s | grep omap
Jul 09 05:04:12 <eJumbo> linux-omap-2.6
Jul 09 05:04:54 <eJumbo> linux-omap-2.6                       2.6.9-omap1-r0
Jul 09 05:04:54 <eJumbo> linux-omap1                               2.6.12-r0
Jul 09 05:04:54 <eJumbo> xserver-kdrive-omap                        6.6.3-r1
Jul 09 05:05:51 <eJumbo> but when i do uname -a i get rc2
Jul 09 05:07:13 <zecke__> if you do bitbake linux-omap1 PV 2.6.12 should be built
Jul 09 05:07:28 <zecke__> but I don't know if you build kernel version 2.6.12...
Jul 09 05:08:42 <eJumbo> zecke: what should i do ?
Jul 09 05:10:51 <zecke__> apply your debugging skills
Jul 09 05:11:28 <zecke__> You assume 2.6.12 should be built?
Jul 09 05:11:35 <zecke__> check if it was built
Jul 09 05:11:58 <zecke__> I could send you some prolog to how I debug problems
Jul 09 05:18:48 <eJumbo> please
Jul 09 05:19:31 <zecke__> hmm that was a joke
Jul 09 05:19:41 <zecke__> but I can scratch up some horn-clauses if you want
Jul 09 05:19:48 <zecke__> eJumbo: do I get an OMAP OSK from you?
Jul 09 05:22:32 * mickey|tv slowly wakes up and grins
Jul 09 05:22:49 <mickeyl> morning folks
Jul 09 05:30:16 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r37b3bd1d... 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: 
Jul 09 05:30:16 <CIA-4> kernel.bbclass: Add autoload entries for the bluetooth modules 'hidp' and 'rfcomm'.
Jul 09 05:30:16 <CIA-4> This fixes /etc/init.d/bluetooth starting (on kernels which support 'hidp') the
Jul 09 05:30:16 <CIA-4> bluetooth subsystem, i.e. hcid. Tested on Sharp C7x0 w/ kernel 2.6.12-mm1.
Jul 09 05:37:06 <sirfred> mickeyl: Morning
Jul 09 05:37:09 <sirfred> mickeyl: Morning?
Jul 09 05:37:54 <eJumbo> zecke:will be back soon
Jul 09 05:39:11 <mickeyl> sirfred: ya, kind of morning.
Jul 09 05:39:15 <mickeyl> ~ugt
Jul 09 05:39:16 <ibot> i guess ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
Jul 09 05:39:31 <sirfred> :-)
Jul 09 05:40:04 <sirfred> mickeyl: Good morning, then.
Jul 09 05:40:24 <CIA-4> 03freyther 07org.openembedded.dev * rfc5f4f47... 10/packages/ (13 files in 8 dirs): 
Jul 09 05:40:24 <CIA-4> Syntax Fixes for the grammar from the bitbake c parser.
Jul 09 05:40:24 <CIA-4> -There should be no whitespaces/chars after a \. Change the files
Jul 09 05:40:24 <CIA-4> accordingly.
Jul 09 05:40:24 <CIA-4> -If you start with " end with " as well
Jul 09 06:00:19 <zecke__> ~lart someone
Jul 09 06:00:20 * ibot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to someone, and goes postal
Jul 09 06:03:07 <mickeyl> uah
Jul 09 06:03:20 <mickeyl> who is responsible for the bluetooth manager ?
Jul 09 06:03:23 <mickeyl> (opie, that is)=
Jul 09 06:04:05 <mickeyl> zecke: that isn't yours or is it?
Jul 09 06:05:23 * mickeyl looks away in disgust
Jul 09 06:05:35 <mickeyl> it just can't be yours. it's not your style. that code looks like it has been created in a hack weekend under massive consumption of drugs and lots of time pressure :/
Jul 09 06:06:03 * mickeyl ponders whether to throw it away or to improve the
Jul 09 06:06:06 <mickeyl> ugliest parts
Jul 09 06:06:37 <woglinde> I have seen zecke under pressure and drugs *g*
Jul 09 06:06:49 <mickeyl> zecke would write better code than that, even under pressure and drugs
Jul 09 06:06:49 <mickeyl> heh
Jul 09 06:07:08 * mickeyl investigates using cvsview
Jul 09 06:08:01 <mickeyl> hah
Jul 09 06:08:04 <mickeyl> ~lart Harlekin
Jul 09 06:08:04 * ibot beats Harlekin severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken
Jul 09 06:08:08 <mickeyl> ~seen harlekin
Jul 09 06:08:09 <ibot> harlekin <~max@pD9EE04A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 64d 18h 54m 26s ago, saying: 'cheap'.
Jul 09 06:08:18 <mickeyl> what a quote
Jul 09 06:08:29 * mickeyl big grin
Jul 09 06:09:47 <zecke__> mickeyl: LinuxTag 2002, BlueZ
Jul 09 06:09:54 <zecke__> mickeyl: the Factory (using QMAp) is from me
Jul 09 06:10:08 <zecke__> mickeyl: the cracky cmd line parser might as well
Jul 09 06:10:11 <mickeyl> heh
Jul 09 06:10:49 <zecke__> BlueZ was just born or got to be usable
Jul 09 06:10:56 <mickeyl> *nod*
Jul 09 06:14:02 <zecke__> bah no gpe guy here?
Jul 09 06:15:09 <mickeyl> it's really sub standard though
Jul 09 06:15:18 <mickeyl> harlekin not even took the time to rename the default names
Jul 09 06:15:23 <mickeyl> ListBox4->foo()
Jul 09 06:15:28 * mickeyl shakes head
Jul 09 06:21:04 <zecke__> talking about substandard, the gpe bbfiles apply for that category
Jul 09 06:23:06 <CIA-4> 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rbfc49ece... 10/packages/openslug-init/ (openslug-init-0.10/reflash openslug-init_0.10.bb): 
Jul 09 06:23:06 <CIA-4> Allow kernel and root partition to be updated in the flash alone, i.e.
Jul 09 06:23:06 <CIA-4> just the kernel or just the root partition. Add support for progress
Jul 09 06:23:06 <CIA-4> indicator (requires new rev of devio).
Jul 09 06:23:06 <CIA-4> 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rc359b835... 10/packages/boost/ (boost-jam-native_3.1.9.bb boost_1.32.0.bb): libboost, builds but untested
Jul 09 06:23:09 <CIA-4> 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r53841a61... 10/packages/monotone/ (files/txt2c-cross.patch monotone_0.19.bb): Builds but has bugs in very basic functionality (db init does not work).
Jul 09 06:23:12 <CIA-4> 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r891b586f... 10/packages/devio/ (devio-native_r2.bb devio_r2.bb): New version of devio with a progress indicator (-p option)
Jul 09 06:23:15 <CIA-4> 03nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r2ae23e98... 10/packages/libusb/ (libusb-0.1.10a/debian-changes.patch libusb_0.1.10a.bb): 
Jul 09 06:23:26 <mickeyl> heh
Jul 09 06:23:29 <mickeyl> poor little botty
Jul 09 06:23:34 <mickeyl> zecke: in what regard ? formatting, logic, ... ?
Jul 09 06:23:56 <rwhitby> yep, a propagate is just too much for poor old CIA
Jul 09 06:25:11 <mickeyl> i should add a time.sleep( 2 ) after every xml call
Jul 09 06:25:14 * mickeyl does that
Jul 09 06:26:20 * mickeyl restart ciabot
Jul 09 06:30:17 <zecke__> mickeyl: syntax
Jul 09 06:31:39 <CIA-4> 03freyther 07org.openembedded.dev * re8af483f... 10/ (58 files in 26 dirs): 
Jul 09 06:31:39 <CIA-4> KEY = "VALUE" changed the grammar to force the quotes and update
Jul 09 06:31:39 <CIA-4> the bb files accordingly
Jul 09 06:31:43 <CIA-4> 03freyther 07org.openembedded.dev * r05d8340a... 10/packages/ (115 files in 74 dirs): 
Jul 09 06:31:43 <CIA-4> LICENSE = GPL -> LICENSE = "GPL"
Jul 09 06:31:43 <CIA-4> using find . -name '*.inc' -print0 | xargs -0r sed -i 's/LICENSE = GPL/LICENSE = "GPL"/'
Jul 09 06:31:47 <CIA-4> 03freyther 07org.openembedded.dev * r0b97d8c1... 10/packages/ (8 files in 5 dirs): More syntax changing updates
Jul 09 06:31:51 <CIA-4> 03freyther 07org.openembedded.dev * re367d06f... 10/packages/ (12 files in 5 dirs): 
Jul 09 06:31:51 <CIA-4> export CVSBUILD = no -> export CVSBUILD = "no"
Jul 09 06:31:51 <CIA-4> I wonder why this is not part of the gpe bbclass
Jul 09 06:31:58 <CIA-4> 03freyther 07org.openembedded.dev * r48743af9... 10/packages/ (37 files in 15 dirs): 
Jul 09 06:31:58 <CIA-4> More syntax changes
Jul 09 06:32:00 <CIA-4> LICENSE = LGPL -> LICENSE = "LGPL"
Jul 09 06:32:02 <CIA-4> 03freyther 07org.openembedded.dev * r841f6095... 10/packages/ (18 files in 16 dirs): More syntax fixes, unbelievable I spend most of the time at GPE bbfiles...
Jul 09 06:36:22 <mickeyl> excellent. that sleep helped
Jul 09 06:57:37 <rwhitby> mickeyl: did you need to add anything other than the single time.sleep(2) line?
Jul 09 06:58:00 <zecke__> anyone else want to help on fixing the bbfiles?
Jul 09 06:58:10 * rwhitby is replicating the sleep in nslu2, but is getting a syntax error
Jul 09 07:00:55 <rwhitby> mickeyl: nm - I worked out the missing "import time"
Jul 09 07:00:56 <mickeyl> no, that was it
Jul 09 07:00:58 <mickeyl> ah
Jul 09 07:01:21 <mickeyl> that has been in my script since i added the poll loop
Jul 09 07:05:55 <pb_> hi all
Jul 09 07:08:13 <woglinde> hi pb
Jul 09 07:08:19 <pb_> zecke: o coremaster, is there any news regarding my problem with collections?
Jul 09 07:08:20 <pb_> hi woglinde 
Jul 09 07:09:03 <pb_> morning kergoth
Jul 09 07:09:15 <woglinde> hi kergoth
Jul 09 07:11:44 <[g2]> the MAN is awake!
Jul 09 07:39:30 <beiss> Hello!
Jul 09 07:40:00 <beiss> I want to configure VPN on Zaurus, 3.5.3
Jul 09 07:40:26 <beiss> when calling racoon -d -F I get racoon: something error happened while pfkey initializing.
Jul 09 07:40:32 <beiss> any Idee
Jul 09 07:42:18 <zecke__> nno
Jul 09 07:46:22 <pb_> heh
Jul 09 07:49:50 <zecke__> hehe
Jul 09 08:16:05 <proti> zecke__: ping
Jul 09 08:20:25 <eJumbo> Zecke: i checked the directory: oetmp/work/linux-omap1-2.6.12-r0/linux-2.6.12 in arm\boot\compressed there is a file vmlinux if i make a uImage out of it. i get the latest kernel. but if i take the zImage from the bootstrap-image/boot then the timestamp is a older one ?
Jul 09 08:20:49 <eJumbo> the bitbake imagebuilding process is taking an older zImage
Jul 09 08:21:52 <proti> pb_: ping
Jul 09 08:22:45 <proti> zecke__, pb__: I put the corrected patch that fix pb collection problem. I added a testcase that shows the incorrect behaviour. Please apply the patch and me if it solves your problem, pb.
Jul 09 08:22:57 <proti> bbl, cinema now
Jul 09 08:23:05 <zecke__> eJumbo: so your kernel .bb does not put a zImage there?
Jul 09 08:23:27 <eJumbo> i think so 
Jul 09 08:23:54 <eJumbo> i really dont know what to do ?
Jul 09 08:25:05 <eJumbo> zecke: what am i expected to do zecke. really dont know what to do.
Jul 09 08:25:47 <zecke__> eJumbo: how did you create your custom bbfile?
Jul 09 08:26:39 <sirfred> What do I need to enable usbnet on my c760? I have usbcore, mii and usbnet loaded, but no usbnet interface.
Jul 09 08:26:45 <sirfred> Am i missing something?
Jul 09 08:26:57 <eJumbo> using vi. i copied task-bootstrap.bb to my.bb and boorstrap-image.bb to my-image.bb and modified my.bb
Jul 09 08:27:37 <zecke__> sirfred: ifconfig -a?
Jul 09 08:27:38 <zecke__> eJumbo: that doesn't answer the question
Jul 09 08:27:51 <zecke__> eJumbo: did you copy an existing kernel bbfile?
Jul 09 08:27:52 <sirfred> zecke__: No way.
Jul 09 08:28:08 <sirfred> zecke__: No interface seems to be created. I think I'm missing something to do.
Jul 09 08:28:23 <zecke__> sirfred: usb0 should show up
Jul 09 08:28:53 <sirfred> zecke__: The laptop that has attached the c760 is not showing it in 'lsusb'
Jul 09 08:29:08 <sirfred> It is as the usb was not up or something so.
Jul 09 08:29:25 <sirfred> The only messages from the kernel were:
Jul 09 08:29:27 <sirfred> usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
Jul 09 08:29:27 <sirfred> usbcore: registered new driver hub
Jul 09 08:29:27 <sirfred> usbcore: registered new driver usbnet
Jul 09 08:29:47 <sirfred> I'm on a 2.6.12-mm1
Jul 09 08:30:12 <eJumbo> copied linux-omap1_2.6.12_rc2.bb to linux-omap1_2.6.12.bb and made modifications to it. and created a directory linux-omap1-2.6.12 and put a defconfig into it.
Jul 09 08:31:06 <zecke__> eJumbo: please paste both files into pastebin
Jul 09 08:31:45 <zecke__> local python god are you around?
Jul 09 08:31:45 <zecke__> mickeyl: ?
Jul 09 08:36:00 <eJumbo> Zecke:http://pastebin.com/310040
Jul 09 08:38:09 <zecke__> eJumbo: can you diff -u the two files as well
Jul 09 08:39:34 <eJumbo> http://pastebin.com/310042
Jul 09 08:41:01 <zecke__> ok at least that part looks sane
Jul 09 08:41:12 <zecke__> oh sorry
Jul 09 08:41:13 <zecke__> ipkg could be dumb and thinks 2.6.12-rc2 is greater than 2.6.12
Jul 09 08:41:16 <zecke__> try removing packages from tmp/deploy/ipk
Jul 09 08:47:13 <eJumbo> shall i clean rc2 first or u want me to remove all packages...
Jul 09 08:48:56 <eJumbo> sirfield: i have an issue with usbnet too. i have compiled with usb gadget ethernet gadget; when i plugit onto the host dmesg says:usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 18
Jul 09 08:48:57 <eJumbo> usb 2-2: device not accepting address 18, error -71
Jul 09 08:48:57 <eJumbo>  i can do an ifconfig usb0 at the device side and can configure usb0
Jul 09 08:49:16 <pb_> zecke: yes, "2.6.12-rc2" will sort higher than 2.6.12
Jul 09 08:49:54 <pb_> proti: you want me to apply you?  that sounds a bit drastic.
Jul 09 08:51:18 <woglinde> proti in the kernel *g*
Jul 09 08:53:28 <eJumbo> zecke: get an error if i remove all files in ipk:http://pastebin.com/310046
Jul 09 08:58:13 <sirfred> eJumbo: Thanks. 
Jul 09 08:59:01 <eJumbo> for what ?
Jul 09 08:59:05 <sirfred> eJumbo: I think I have some problems with the rootfs image I build. Have two /lib/modules directories, one for 2.6.12-mm1 and another one for 2.6.12-rc5-mm2
Jul 09 08:59:42 <sirfred> eJumbo: I suppose I'm missing some modules to install. What modules do you need on the pda side to enable that usb0 interface?
Jul 09 09:00:01 <eJumbo> well i have built it into the kernel
Jul 09 09:00:21 <sirfred> eJumbo: Oh. OK.
Jul 09 09:00:50 <eJumbo> sirfred:usb 2-2: device not accepting address 18, error -71
Jul 09 09:00:59 <eJumbo> do u know why this message comes
Jul 09 09:01:49 <sirfred> eJumbo: No.
Jul 09 09:02:16 <eJumbo> Zecke: waiting for ur response
Jul 09 09:02:30 <eJumbo> got the error message http://pastebin.com/310046
Jul 09 09:03:38 <zecke__> eJumbo: First do not be that demanding second I'm from Germany so I'm naturely sensisitive when people stop thinking
Jul 09 09:03:43 <zecke__> and wait to be controled
Jul 09 09:04:04 <zecke__> eJumbo: NOTE: Task failed: /tmp/oetmp/work/basic-image-1.0-r0/temp/log.do_rootfs.7001
Jul 09 09:04:17 <zecke__> "failed" is a good keyword/indicator for failure
Jul 09 09:04:38 <eJumbo> sorry: zecke i am not demanding. when i ask i request. sorry, if i hurt u. 
Jul 09 09:04:39 <mickeyl> zecke: yeah, i'm here.
Jul 09 09:05:49 <eJumbo> i dont know why permission error; i am getting; since it is building a filesystem and should not look at my "host" file system.
Jul 09 09:06:37 <zecke__> eJumbo: Did you delete all ipk? all kernel ipk?
Jul 09 09:06:54 <zecke__> eJumbo: bitbake still thinks it built the modules, it might be a good idea to rebuild your kernel
Jul 09 09:07:27 <eJumbo> i did rm -rf *rc2*
Jul 09 09:07:39 <zecke__> mickeyl: I'm currently writing the bitbake grammar but the next step will be use one or the parser
Jul 09 09:07:59 <zecke__> mickeyl: I think your 'pickle/cPickle' approach  would work as well
Jul 09 09:08:34 <zecke__> mickeyl: I would create parser_slow and parser_c and module 'parse' would use one of them
Jul 09 09:08:54 <mickeyl> zecke: excellent. that way we could experiment with the new thing while keeping it working
Jul 09 09:09:11 <zecke__> mickeyl: also not having the pybison dependency
Jul 09 09:09:18 <mickeyl> *nod*
Jul 09 09:09:29 <zecke__> pb_: would it make sense to move export CVSBUILD=no to gpe.bbclass?
Jul 09 09:10:08 <pb_> zecke: yeah, probably
Jul 09 09:10:19 <mickeyl> FYI: i gave up in finishing the Opie bluetooth subsystem. it's too convoluted and I really hate the base strategy of parsing external tools. When I have much time, I'll think about adding native (kernel level) BlueZ support to opienet.
Jul 09 09:10:50 <zecke__> mickeyl: right decision
Jul 09 09:11:02 <zecke__> mickeyl: remember Opie Tooth is from the early blueZ days
Jul 09 09:11:13 <zecke__> mickeyl: there was no libbluetooth, the kernel interface was in motion
Jul 09 09:11:23 <zecke__> mickeyl: we didn't even had a rfcomm implementation at all
Jul 09 09:14:55 <eJumbo> Zecke: got to go home. will sort the problem tommorrow. thanks for the help.
Jul 09 09:15:36 <eJumbo> did not really mind to hurt u. just got a little carried away. Have a nice week end
Jul 09 09:16:11 <zecke__> eJumbo: don't worry
Jul 09 09:16:18 <zecke__> eJumbo: have fun
Jul 09 09:16:31 <eJumbo> with oe :)
Jul 09 09:17:24 <sirfred> mickeyl: Strange problem the one with those + and - signs not showing in the "Light&Power" preferences.
Jul 09 09:17:59 <sirfred> mickeyl: When accellerated lines are disabled they got painted, but it seems that drawline is not used to paint them. Some kind of collateral effect.
Jul 09 09:18:15 <chouimat|ibook> test
Jul 09 09:30:33 <sirfred> zecke__: I've found my usb0 problem. I didn't have the module g_ether.
Jul 09 09:37:36 <lazy_marmot> Hi folks, I've just made a pull, distro=generic, arch=epia, for some strange reason libtool-native fails to compile with error "source directory is already configured...". Does it sound familiar ?
Jul 09 09:39:00 <pb_> lazy_marmot: you must eliminate all symlinks from the path to TMPDIR
Jul 09 09:40:50 <lazy_marmot> Aha - it's true, that my TMPDIR is symlink :) Thanks !
Jul 09 09:58:00 <mithro> hey mickey|sports, you about?
Jul 09 10:03:26 * mithro pokes mickey|sports with something slightly pointy :P
Jul 09 10:50:28 <mickeyl> heya mithro
Jul 09 10:50:30 <mickeyl> got your mail
Jul 09 10:50:35 <mickeyl> when are you in ffm ?
Jul 09 10:50:54 <mithro> i'm thinking of heading there next
Jul 09 10:51:00 <mithro> i'm currently in Ghent in Belgium
Jul 09 10:52:04 <mithro> you wouldn't happen to know a good online map of europe :P
Jul 09 10:52:55 <mickeyl> http://dessent.net/albums/bg/Europe.sized.jpg
Jul 09 10:54:05 <mithro> i'm wondering if it's worth spending a night or two in Brussels first
Jul 09 10:54:22 <mickeyl> definitly, if you ask me
Jul 09 10:54:28 <mickeyl> at least one
Jul 09 10:55:27 <mithro> I started in Amsterdam (for 3 days), then I went to Antwerpen (for 1/2 day), now in Ghent (for 2+1/2 days)
Jul 09 10:55:52 <mithro> so I might go to Brussels for 2 days, it'll be easier to figure out a train to frankfurt then as well
Jul 09 10:56:35 <mickeyl> *nod*
Jul 09 10:56:44 <mickeyl> so you would be end of next week in frankfurt
Jul 09 10:57:14 <mithro> yeah
Jul 09 10:57:23 <mithro> how long does it take to get from Brussels to frankfurt?
Jul 09 10:58:05 <mickeyl> 6h
Jul 09 10:58:36 <mithro> not quite long enough for an overnight train i guess :P
Jul 09 10:58:37 <mickeyl> 40minutes by airplane
Jul 09 10:58:53 <mickeyl> well it depends, there are connections that are 11h
Jul 09 10:59:00 <mickeyl> 6h would be the fastest, but with 3 times changing trains
Jul 09 11:00:16 <mithro> ouch, brussels is expensive 
Jul 09 11:00:35 <mickeyl> you might find some b&b's which are ok
Jul 09 11:00:44 <mickeyl> the classic hotels are on crack
Jul 09 11:01:34 <zecke__> rwhitby: do you know Marc Singer?
Jul 09 11:01:54 <sirfred> Well, time to switch off. I'm starting holidays.
Jul 09 11:02:06 <mickeyl> enjoy, sirfred
Jul 09 11:02:09 <sirfred> See you in three weeks.
Jul 09 11:02:11 <sirfred> mickeyl: Thanks.
Jul 09 11:02:30 <zecke__> sirfred: cya
Jul 09 11:02:46 <mithro> mickeyl: do you have some contact info so that I can catch up with you when I do get into franfurt end of next week?
Jul 09 11:03:59 <mickeyl> mithro: definitly.I'll /query you my mobile phone number
Jul 09 11:05:08 <mickeyl> done
Jul 09 11:07:06 <RP> Hmmm. Just missed sirfred
Jul 09 11:08:53 <mithro> at this rate I won't be staying in brussels :P 
Jul 09 11:14:41 <mickeyl> ok, need to prepare dinner. drop me a SMS when you can estimate when're in frankfurt.
Jul 09 11:15:00 <mithro> can you send SMS from pay phones :P
Jul 09 11:15:10 <mickey|dinner> when you're already here, you can call :)
Jul 09 11:15:15 <mithro> i don't have a european phone yet :P
Jul 09 11:15:17 <mickey|dinner> it's just that I can take a free evening 
Jul 09 11:15:29 <mickey|dinner> read: planning
Jul 09 11:15:34 <mickey|dinner> (i'm not the one on holiday :))
Jul 09 11:15:42 <mithro> i'll be in frankfurt for at least 3 nights
Jul 09 11:16:42 <mithro> My Plan is currentl  (Ghent-Brussels)10,(Brussels)11,(Brussels-Frankfurt)12,(Frankfurt)13,(Frankfurt)14,(Frankfurt-???)15
Jul 09 11:17:53 <mithro> so if you want to plan for either the 13 or 14th it should be okay
Jul 09 11:18:48 <mickey|dinner> ok, then the time frame is big enough :) Thursday 14th would be my preference
Jul 09 11:19:12 <mithro> depending on what the accomindation is like and what there is to do I might stay longer too :P
Jul 09 11:20:10 <mithro> arg, the best i seem to be able to find is $EUR 40,00 per night
Jul 09 11:30:31 <mithro> dang, found a place which has tommorrow but not the day after
Jul 09 11:35:51 <mithro> i guess i'll just have to stay somewhere cheaper in Frankfurt :P
Jul 09 11:45:50 * mithro looks at mickey couch ;P
Jul 09 12:01:00 <mithro> hrm, I can get a fast train between brussels and frankfurt which means it only takes 3+1/2 hours
Jul 09 12:35:48 <mithro> well, found cheap accomadation in Frankfurt
Jul 09 13:51:49 <proti> pb_: no, word missing. *tell* me if it solved your collection problem
Jul 09 13:52:06 <proti> :)
Jul 09 13:52:15 <pb_> proti: okay.  where do I get the patch?
Jul 09 13:52:34 <proti> pb_: You have it in the bugs.openembedded.org #137
Jul 09 13:52:45 <pb_> righto
Jul 09 14:19:22 * france is back (gone 15:02:25)
Jul 09 14:34:34 * france is away: Away
Jul 09 15:34:40 <incinerator> twimc, i posted a patch for bug #129 at the bugs webpage
Jul 09 15:52:41 <mickeyl> [g2]: heya. didn't see your /query (too many windows alarm :). yeah I put openslug and it seems to work. i have a couple of questions though... a) the on/off button - is that a hard on/off or is the device in sleep mode? b) there seems to be a speaker in the device, can it do anything else than beeps? c) what do i need to install to get "default functionality" back? :)
Jul 09 15:54:06 <[g2]> mickeyl, hey
Jul 09 15:54:49 <[g2]> a) it's a bogus button, it's push to power-up after power is applied and push to power while running
Jul 09 15:55:11 <[g2]> b) just beeps no serious output on the speaker
Jul 09 15:55:33 <[g2]> c) are you familiar with then www.nslu2-linux.org wiki ?
Jul 09 15:55:42 <[g2]> there's all kinds of great information there like
Jul 09 15:55:52 <mickeyl> yeah, i've read some pages, but not enough yet, it's huge :)
Jul 09 15:55:54 <mickeyl> thanks
Jul 09 15:56:23 <[g2]> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RecoverFromABadFlash
Jul 09 15:56:42 <[g2]> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/FAQ
Jul 09 15:57:04 <[g2]> There are lots of ways to recover
Jul 09 15:57:37 <mickeyl> ah right, but I was more asking in terms of getting the automatic usb drive -> smb back, not the complete linksys firmware. 
Jul 09 15:58:01 <mickeyl> i.e. if there are some meta packages or so
Jul 09 15:58:06 <mickeyl> if not we need to work on some :)
Jul 09 15:58:08 <incinerator> mickeyl: i posted a patch for bug #129 at the bugs webpage
Jul 09 15:58:17 <[g2]> funny you should ask
Jul 09 15:58:33 <[g2]> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/PackageStatus.
Jul 09 15:58:37 <[g2]> no .
Jul 09 15:58:47 <[g2]> That's as of a couple hours ago
Jul 09 15:58:59 <[g2]> perl doesn't run 
Jul 09 15:59:26 <[g2]> but I've build perl natively and it passes all but 1 test which it needs procps that I don't have installed
Jul 09 15:59:39 <[g2]> Samba is supposed to be working in the unstable feed
Jul 09 15:59:48 <[g2]> so you can ipkg install samba
Jul 09 16:00:01 <[g2]> are you running the 2.0 stuff ? 
Jul 09 16:00:12 <mickeyl> incinerator: excellent. It'll be applied soon
Jul 09 16:00:17 <mickeyl> yep, running 2.0 beta
Jul 09 16:00:36 <[g2]> cool.  did you turnup to the usb or disk ?
Jul 09 16:01:03 <mickeyl> not yet. that's what i wanted to ask as well. how do you run the slug usually? with an attached usb stick as rootfs or as additional mountpoint?
Jul 09 16:01:36 <[g2]> the "turnup" proceedure allows configuration of the following:
Jul 09 16:01:39 <[g2]> nfs rootfs
Jul 09 16:01:49 <[g2]> memstick config
Jul 09 16:01:53 <[g2]> or disk config
Jul 09 16:02:04 <[g2]> and there are a couple other options
Jul 09 16:02:11 <mickeyl> pretty cool
Jul 09 16:02:20 <[g2]> you just "turnup init"
Jul 09 16:02:20 <mickeyl> i guess I'll try the memstick tomorrow
Jul 09 16:02:37 <[g2]> setup a couple things then you can
Jul 09 16:02:52 <[g2]> format the memstick
Jul 09 16:02:55 <[g2]> and 
Jul 09 16:03:13 <[g2]> turnup memstick -i /dev/sda1 -t ext3
Jul 09 16:03:38 <[g2]> and it's setup up stuff to pivot root on to the sda1 device with the ext3 fs and will mount with noatime
Jul 09 16:03:49 <mickeyl> nice!
Jul 09 16:04:05 <mickeyl> now i need to find my spare memory stick
Jul 09 16:04:08 <[g2]> There's a script that will install all the packages for a full native compile environment too
Jul 09 16:04:46 <[g2]> so what's the deal with 2.6.12 and mtd ? is that a real problem ?
Jul 09 16:06:03 <[g2]> mickeyl, BTW I just wanted you to know about those nslu2-linux resources earlier.  I'll be happy to answer all your questions as will many in #nslu2-linux and #openslug 
Jul 09 16:08:16 <mickeyl> ok, thanks. i'll be hopping there eventually. just need to decide which channel i part from. i have too many windows open :)
Jul 09 16:08:31 * mickeyl searching memory stick
Jul 09 16:09:02 * [g2] searches for pain memory :)
Jul 09 16:09:12 <[g2]> s/pain/plain
Jul 09 16:10:31 <[g2]> mickeyl, and you are aware of this right ? http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OverClockTheSlug
Jul 09 16:10:51 <[g2]> we need to change that title to NormallyClock
Jul 09 16:11:22 <rwhitby> zecke: yes Marc Singer is well known in nslu2-linux land - he is the author of the Apex bootloader replacement.
Jul 09 16:11:41 <mickeyl> hehe, yeah. rwhitby told me that earlier.
Jul 09 16:12:00 <mickeyl> wow. a bootloader author? 
Jul 09 16:12:06 * mickeyl impressed
Jul 09 16:12:35 <rwhitby> yep.  he goes by beewoolie (sp?) and can usually be found in #openjtag hanging out with [g2]
Jul 09 16:12:54 <mickeyl> someone did a DSP driver for the SL5500 buzzer. wouldn't you think that would be possible for that slug as well?
Jul 09 16:13:09 <mickeyl> ah Marc Singer is beewoolie!
Jul 09 16:13:16 <mickeyl> things fall into place now
Jul 09 16:13:46 * [g2] has been running APEX for months now
Jul 09 16:14:26 <[g2]> it loads the bzImage from within the OE builds jffs2 fs and boots taht
Jul 09 16:14:37 <[g2]> slower, but way cool
Jul 09 16:14:57 <mickeyl> the default bootloader expects the kernel in a dedicated mtd portion like angelboot?
Jul 09 16:15:14 <[g2]> mtdblock2
Jul 09 16:15:18 <[g2]> it's 1MB
Jul 09 16:15:23 <mickeyl> i see. we have the same situation on all Zaurus models. that kind of sucks
Jul 09 16:15:38 <[g2]> it's a special Redboot
Jul 09 16:16:00 <[g2]> doesn't pass cmd params etc..
Jul 09 16:16:30 <mickeyl> heh. sounds familiar to me
Jul 09 16:16:55 <[g2]> I've got some 64MB models running with APEX
Jul 09 16:17:03 <mickeyl> 64mb ?
Jul 09 16:17:12 <[g2]> yeah twice the memory
Jul 09 16:17:24 <mickeyl> nice. a custom mod?
Jul 09 16:17:55 <[g2]> I had a rework company do one and I've got another board OEM board that's got 64MB
Jul 09 16:18:20 <[g2]> I've started a HW company and I'm having custom boards built now
Jul 09 16:23:55 <mickeyl> are you considering uclibc for future openslug builds?
Jul 09 16:24:36 <[g2]> mickeyl, uclibc builds fine
Jul 09 16:25:02 <[g2]> we were running it months ago and I think jbowler still has a version
Jul 09 16:25:21 <[g2]> it runs fine too last we checked
Jul 09 16:25:36 <[g2]> we ran with it for many months
Jul 09 16:26:01 <[g2]> it's just we've been running with glibc for the last couple 
Jul 09 16:30:31 <rwhitby> mickeyl: cause we always have lots of disk space connected to the slug in the usual case, we just use glibc by default.
Jul 09 16:33:30 <mickeyl> ya, that makes sense. the speed difference is probably not worth it either
Jul 09 16:35:17 <rwhitby> so we release glibc firmware and packages by default in the feeds, but expect that the firmware will build and work for both glibc and uclibc.  Now that NAiL is looking after packages, he may well release uclibc packages too in a different feed.
Jul 09 16:55:13 * chouimat|ibook is away: FOOD
Jul 09 17:17:29 * chouimat|ibook is back.
Jul 09 17:25:03 <jacques> mickeyl, is there a schedule for the monotone 0.20 transition?
Jul 09 17:28:40 <mickeyl> not until a new version of viewmtn has been released + I found time to adjust the commit scripts
Jul 09 17:29:28 <jacques> mickeyl, ok thanks
Jul 09 17:41:58 <mickeyl> g'night
Jul 09 19:28:59 <keturn> oh, I get it, ciabot isn't actually supposed to send human-readable email, but you hacked it into its script
Jul 09 19:29:26 * keturn tries to quell the age-old rivalry between him and ciabot
Jul 09 19:33:40 <luke-jr_> lol
Jul 09 20:47:24 <emte> hey raster
Jul 09 20:47:32 <emte> i have decided something
Jul 09 20:47:45 <emte> someone needs to write a damn function ref
Jul 09 20:48:18 <raster> meh
Jul 09 20:48:21 <raster> emte:  hey memmi
Jul 09 20:48:26 <emte> hey
Jul 09 20:48:31 <raster> emmie
Jul 09 20:48:32 <raster> i mean
Jul 09 20:48:35 <raster> function ref?
Jul 09 20:48:43 <emte> its a pain in the ass trying to figure out what does what and why
Jul 09 20:50:26 <emte> yeah function/command/library etc
Jul 09 20:50:29 <raster> aye
Jul 09 20:50:44 <raster> give me the time and i'd do it
Jul 09 20:50:45 <raster> but
Jul 09 20:50:47 <raster> no time
Jul 09 20:50:58 <raster> choice between writying mountains of dry documentation (fn ref's)
Jul 09 20:51:12 <raster> and between actually writign new code that does something... guess which i pick?
Jul 09 20:51:40 <emte> to use doxygen and make it easy?
Jul 09 20:51:50 <emte> :P
Jul 09 21:58:36 <raster> emte: you may have noticed... we DO
Jul 09 21:58:45 <raster> emte: theres doxygen comments in quite a chunk of the code
Jul 09 21:58:47 <raster> for api docs
Jul 09 21:58:51 <raster> but its just not complete
Jul 09 21:58:57 <raster> we have 1000's of function calls to document
Jul 09 22:00:55 <emte> yeah i know soem do
Jul 09 22:01:17 <emte> i need to send doxywizard through and strip em all out again
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