**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 24 23:59:56 2005 Jul 25 00:12:23 wellenreiter workks fine on a C3000 with Ambicom card Jul 25 00:28:45 justin whats your network config for using it? Jul 25 00:35:39 morning Jul 25 00:59:39 hey zecke, you about? Jul 25 01:15:36 morning all Jul 25 01:16:05 RP: morning Jul 25 01:16:11 RP: new kernel goodness I see Jul 25 01:16:48 XorA: Basically just a version increment. You'll see a couple of softlockup oopes but they're safe to ignore ;-) Jul 25 01:17:02 RP: heh heh, have to give it a roll Jul 25 01:18:35 My inbox contains the clues to the correct fix, I just need to implement and test a patch Jul 25 01:24:04 RP: have you built hostap against that kernel? Jul 25 01:24:10 hi all Jul 25 01:26:47 hi florian_kc Jul 25 01:33:51 Hi Jul 25 01:36:29 hello do13 Jul 25 01:37:03 hi florian_kc Jul 25 01:43:10 RP: Do you have checked andrew's comment? Jul 25 01:44:52 do13: Yes, and I have a patch which I've tested Jul 25 01:44:55 * mithro goes to try zecke on his phone Jul 25 01:45:02 XorA: No, why? Jul 25 01:45:07 bblr Jul 25 01:45:11 RP: compile fails for me Jul 25 01:45:55 XorA: ah :-/. Can you pastebin the failure? Jul 25 01:45:57 RP: http://pastebin.ca/18429 Jul 25 01:46:02 :) Jul 25 01:47:32 I'm none the wiser. I'll set a build away. I'll probably need a toolchain rebuild though :-/ Jul 25 01:48:42 RP: Could you apply this patch: http://www.do13.de/openzaurus/temp/2.6.13-rc3-mm1.patch Jul 25 01:48:42 Jul 25 01:48:51 This will use rmks PXA-I2C driver and should improve the SD write speed Jul 25 01:49:24 do13: Ok, will do, thanks Jul 25 01:49:39 do13: I updated a few of your patches yesterday - let me know if there were any I missed Jul 25 01:51:21 RP: The mmc bulk patch is the only one Jul 25 01:51:55 do13: Does rmk's i2c driver have all the tweaks we need for suspend/resume in it etc? Jul 25 01:52:20 Has that been merged with mainline yet or is it in his patch system? Jul 25 01:53:48 This is the patch he published on the list plus my resume function. Jul 25 01:54:20 ok, that sounds familiar thinking about it Jul 25 01:56:05 RP: My webserver log shows: Jul 25 01:56:07 vpn1.lineo.co.jp - - [22/Jul/2005:06:42:14 +0200] "GET /openzaurus/patches/tosa-machine-r5.patch HTTP/1.1" 200 13711 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)" Jul 25 01:57:11 Are they working on an 2.6 kernel? Jul 25 01:57:18 do13: Let me check here... Jul 25 01:57:27 do13: There were rumours they were, yes... Jul 25 01:57:41 but we never saw any code way past the expected date for it... Jul 25 01:57:58 RP: that appears to be KERNEL_VERSION macro not being defined Jul 25 01:59:20 do13: Interestingly, they also show in my log but just for the mmc_sd patch Jul 25 01:59:48 XorA: That would make sense - it wants to compile for 2.4 here! :-/ Jul 25 02:00:04 XorA: Although does it expect KVERS= ? Jul 25 02:00:19 RP:My log shows all patches. Jul 25 02:00:40 G'day Jul 25 02:00:45 RP: all lines are of the form #if (LINUX_VERSION_CODE > KERNEL_VERSION(2,5,47)) Jul 25 02:00:53 RP: they all fail to compile Jul 25 02:01:09 Any fall-out from the big update-alternatives patch we pushed yesterday? Jul 25 02:05:38 XorA: Here, bitbake still thinks I have 2.6.12-mm1 :-/ Jul 25 02:06:01 RP: seems to be a missing include of utsname.h (where KERNEL_VERSION is defined) Jul 25 02:06:03 do13: I've double checked and they only looked at my mmc_sd patch... Jul 25 02:06:36 XorA: Maybe that was included in some other file in the kernel until recently? Jul 25 02:07:10 RP: They came from your site: http://www.do13.de/openzaurus/temp/lineo.log Jul 25 02:08:34 do13: They did look at my index page which links to you Jul 25 02:08:48 Just didn't look at any of the other patches Jul 25 02:09:01 strange Jul 25 02:09:30 very. I wonder what they're up to... Jul 25 02:09:49 Regardless, they won't backport a kernel to the older models... Jul 25 02:10:02 Maybe we'll see a new tosa like device soon with a 2.6 kernel :) Jul 25 02:10:23 Hopefully without tc6393 Jul 25 02:16:30 mornin' Jul 25 02:16:44 man-di: heya! fancy seeing you in here :) Jul 25 02:19:25 RP: ok, got a patch, got hostap compiled Jul 25 02:23:37 do13: No doubt it will have a replacement ;-) Jul 25 02:23:57 XorA: excellent. Can you prove it was a change in the kernel that caused the problems? Jul 25 02:24:45 RP: only coincidental evidence that it worked on 2.6.12-mm1 and not on 2.6.13-rc.... Jul 25 02:25:13 Does anyone here have any problem w/ setting console=ttyS0 for akita (ie: shut the kernel up)? Jul 25 02:25:21 RP: I was going to fire up a bug, with the patch attatched that way more knowledgeable people at least know the area Jul 25 02:25:48 CoreDump|home: That should really be controlled by the debug image flag Jul 25 02:26:00 righto Jul 25 02:26:35 problem is, console is set in defconfig, KERNEL_CONSOLE seems to be ignored when this is the case Jul 25 02:26:40 XorA: Ok, that sounds reasonable. Once I get it to compile, I'll take a look Jul 25 02:26:58 CoreDump|home: Don't the kernel .bb's override that? Jul 25 02:27:19 RP: normally they do, for some reason this doesn't work for Akita Jul 25 02:27:42 the .bb wants to set console=ttyS0 but instead it is tty1 Jul 25 02:28:05 CoreDump|home: Remove the offending KERNEL_CONSOLE from the defconfig? Jul 25 02:28:25 or set it to a NULL string Jul 25 02:28:52 I figured there had to be a reason someone included it in defconfig =), will try Jul 25 02:29:50 The only reason they end up in the defconfig is it makes updating the defconfig easier Jul 25 02:31:03 ah i c Jul 25 02:31:23 by the looks of it, defconfig override anything kernel.bbclass tries to set Jul 25 02:31:42 I just hope it boots w/o the parameters from defconfig :\ Jul 25 02:32:00 morning Jul 25 02:32:05 mickeyl: good morning Jul 25 02:32:06 moin mickeyl Jul 25 02:32:09 hey mickeyl Jul 25 02:32:11 mickeyl: morning Jul 25 02:32:18 CoreDump|home: just use the same cmdline scheme as openzaurus-pxa uses Jul 25 02:32:34 it hasn't been done yet because the CXK devices were in debug mode yet Jul 25 02:32:34 morning mickeyl Jul 25 02:33:29 CONFIG_CMDLINE="" Jul 25 02:33:31 :) Jul 25 02:33:34 *nod* Jul 25 02:33:52 copy over the complete CMDLNE_ROOT, CMDLINE_INIT, etc. stuff Jul 25 02:33:56 stupid question: does the "service menu" still work w/ a b0rked kernel? =) Jul 25 02:33:59 and the echo CMDLINE >>defconfig Jul 25 02:33:59 LOL Jul 25 02:34:12 CoreDump|home: service menu being power+OK ? Jul 25 02:34:13 gmx.net filed a complaint against me for mailbombing them Jul 25 02:34:17 mickeyl: yeah Jul 25 02:34:22 koen: :D Jul 25 02:34:30 CoreDump|home: yes. that works until you overwrite the 2nd kernel (which happens, but rarely) Jul 25 02:34:37 * koen explains what a tinderbox is with links to tinderbox and viewmtn Jul 25 02:35:14 koen: good thing I left the VERBOSE option off for OpenSlug :-) Jul 25 02:35:32 rwhitby: yeah, all the mail bounced back too.... Jul 25 02:35:41 morning hrw Jul 25 02:35:45 hello Jul 25 02:35:47 I'm glad I didn't do a full build Jul 25 02:36:06 do13: interesting find with lineo. do you regularly inspect your logs or was that coincidence? Jul 25 02:36:19 I'm a bit tired after wedding.. Jul 25 02:36:30 morning hrw Jul 25 02:36:37 hrw: you got married? Jul 25 02:37:03 koen: no - it was wedding of my fiancee bother Jul 25 02:37:24 mickeyl: coincidence Jul 25 02:37:27 ah, ok, congratulations none the less Jul 25 02:37:36 morning mickeyl Jul 25 02:39:01 hi hrw Jul 25 02:39:22 hrw: oh wait for your own wedding ;-) Jul 25 02:39:37 florian_kc: probably next year Jul 25 02:40:01 florian_kc: who knows.. maybe I will get married before being 30+ :) Jul 25 02:40:27 mickeyl: does viewmtn can show something like 'monotone log'? Jul 25 02:41:04 hrw: i don't think so. this would be a nice addition Jul 25 02:41:25 hrw: yeah... that happenend to me lately :-) Jul 25 02:41:48 I keep wanting to view the revision history of a file. I can't see how to do that in viewmtn easily though :-/ Jul 25 02:42:45 its hard to check what you all did during weekend that I have to wait 1h for pulling.. Jul 25 02:45:35 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ra95d5467... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc3-mm1.bb: Fix the softlockup reports. Add mmc bulk speedup patch and i2c patch from Dirk Jul 25 02:45:53 patches appreciated Jul 25 02:45:56 it's python :) Jul 25 02:45:59 and php Jul 25 02:46:05 mickeyl: I'll make the change only for akita, I don't want to frell up some poor saps spitz. Someone w/ a spitz will need to do it. Jul 25 02:46:09 mickeyl: python is like german for me - you know Jul 25 02:46:25 CoreDump|home: do it for both and i'll check the second after Jul 25 02:46:32 hrw: heh, yeah Jul 25 02:46:34 ok Jul 25 02:47:48 RP: monotone annotate | awk '{print $1}' | tail -n1 | sed s/:// | xargs monotone list certs Jul 25 02:48:05 RP: that will list the history of the last line Jul 25 02:48:06 hrw: morning Jul 25 02:48:24 ok. shell.sf.net has php-cli so I can generate passwords for users faster Jul 25 02:48:25 XorA: hi Jul 25 02:49:04 I'm sure if someone with python knowledge sat down it would take 5 minutes to cook up a revision and named-annotate feature Jul 25 02:49:15 mickeyl: oz website got one plugin more - in admin/manage/googlebot will be infos about googlebot visits Jul 25 02:49:24 has anyone seen zecke around recently? Jul 25 02:49:47 mithro: yesterday evening Jul 25 02:50:17 he is not answering his phone :/ Jul 25 02:50:48 that is if I'm actually calling his phone :P Jul 25 02:50:54 hrw: atal error: Call to undefined function: get_bloginfo() in /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/wordpress/wp-includes/wp-db.php on line 304 Jul 25 02:51:19 hrw: cool Jul 25 02:51:38 mithro: which number do you have? Jul 25 02:52:15 koen: dont know why it happen from time to time Jul 25 02:52:32 mithro: i'll send you his number to a query for reference Jul 25 02:54:26 mickeyl: good morning Jul 25 02:54:39 morning pb_ Jul 25 02:59:41 ahh :D It's booting Jul 25 03:00:06 excellent Jul 25 03:00:18 koen: thanks - that looks like a scary command :) Jul 25 03:01:38 NAiL: you added screen 4.0.2 into repo - maybe you will remove all from packages/nonworking/screen/ then? Jul 25 03:03:28 koen: http://pastebin.ca/18437 :) Jul 25 03:04:20 ~hail NAiL Jul 25 03:06:26 RP: heh Jul 25 03:08:04 it would be nice if sourceforge will upgrade mysql server machine.. Jul 25 03:08:32 Angstrom will be hosted on hh.org? Jul 25 03:09:32 hrw: http://www.handhelds.org/geeklog/article.php?story=20050722101159255 Jul 25 03:09:51 hrw: so maybe, maybe not Jul 25 03:10:45 that one about CRL? Jul 25 03:10:54 I hope that it will resolve good Jul 25 03:13:49 mickeyl: synced w/ koen Jul 25 03:14:20 heh Jul 25 03:14:28 you no longer trust monotone.vanille.de? :D Jul 25 03:15:04 mickeyl: vanille.de is giving me all sorts of troubles (timeoute, connection refused etc) Jul 25 03:15:14 * BigAl can't connect to monotone.vanilla.de either. Jul 25 03:15:25 try to spell it correctly ;) Jul 25 03:15:29 it's monotone.vanille.de Jul 25 03:15:32 ~lart mysql on sf.net Jul 25 03:15:48 monotone doesn't handle multiple connections very well it seems Jul 25 03:16:00 koen: that's right. i've seen it blocking if it has more than 3 Jul 25 03:16:09 and sometimes it even hangs if too many people are trying to connect Jul 25 03:16:20 cosidering monotone.vanille.de is advertised as the main server it's not surprising Jul 25 03:16:24 mickeyl: luckily we have 4 repos online Jul 25 03:16:34 koen: *nod* the power of distribution Jul 25 03:17:06 BigAl: hey, what's spitz 2.6 doing? :) Jul 25 03:17:28 it would be cool if someone could set up an anonymous mirror using subversion or CVS or something, so that people who don't need to check in don't need to run the monotone gauntlet. Jul 25 03:18:06 pb_: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=f7914a228f685b9a242fcd8550ccf8d2059a7c71 -> 'tar archive' Jul 25 03:18:25 yeah... we need a machine with much of cpu power for this ;-) Jul 25 03:18:28 that doesn't have incremental updates, but it's a start Jul 25 03:18:30 florian_kc: heh, right Jul 25 03:18:45 koen: how about changing that link to point to headofbranch.psp ? Jul 25 03:18:48 that's nothing for my escala :-/ Jul 25 03:18:55 it won't work when we have two heads, but this is rarely Jul 25 03:19:14 florian_kc: I guess we should ask for donations to buy a dual opteron or something. Jul 25 03:19:15 s/rarely/rare/ Jul 25 03:20:03 :-) Jul 25 03:20:09 mickeyl: I've been working on the keyboard driver a bit, but it's not playing nice right now.. Not giving me interrupts when I press keys. Jul 25 03:22:00 berlios subversion server need more ram Jul 25 03:24:45 i do hourly anonymous pulls of oe.dev - use wall3.soft.uni-linz.ac.at as a mirror if you want Jul 25 03:27:15 Has anybody managed to get a gpe-image working on a spitz? Jul 25 03:33:21 hey zecke Jul 25 03:33:24 mithro was chasing you Jul 25 03:33:37 moin zecke_ Jul 25 03:34:06 hi zecke Jul 25 03:39:53 * koen find a crosscable Jul 25 03:40:08 damn Jul 25 03:40:27 koen: could set my password on ewi to something? Jul 25 03:40:46 I normally use public key authentication... Jul 25 03:40:52 koen: or could you install a key for me? Jul 25 03:40:56 hi zecke_ Jul 25 03:41:09 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/cgi-bin//tinder.cgi?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuild&start-time=1122265801&display-hours=48 Jul 25 03:41:22 zecke_: you can install a key yourself Jul 25 03:41:22 doesn't look too bad, actually it looks promising Jul 25 03:41:30 bitbake -i does not allow to 'build world' - but 'build *' works Jul 25 03:41:43 koen: yes if I would have access to ewi.. Jul 25 03:46:45 hrw: yeah, Jul 25 03:46:50 hrw: world is a bitbake special case Jul 25 03:46:59 koen: nevermind, remember my password... Jul 25 03:50:07 rwhitby: where is the 2.3 beta firmware hiding? Jul 25 03:51:42 rwhitby: http://www.openslug.org/downloads.php doesn't list it Jul 25 03:55:52 koen: cp /data/tinderbox2/bin/processmail_builds /data/tinderbox2/cgi-bin/process_builds.cgi Jul 25 03:55:57 koen: and same for tb1 please Jul 25 03:56:47 done Jul 25 03:57:10 is that http or email code? or timezone stuff? Jul 25 03:57:21 * koen upslug -i eth1 -u openslug-2.0-beta.bin Jul 25 03:57:42 koen: it is for receiving build logs per http Jul 25 03:57:49 cool Jul 25 03:57:49 koen: as mail is so freaking delayed... Jul 25 03:58:12 Deferred: 450 4.3.2 {mx020} Too many mails (mail bomb) Jul 25 03:58:23 lol Jul 25 03:58:30 that is what gmx had to say about my tinderclient Jul 25 03:58:39 and yes, I got bounces for every mail Jul 25 03:58:55 lol Jul 25 03:59:03 we could turn off verbose reporting... Jul 25 03:59:19 or we could install a jabberd on ewi... :} Jul 25 03:59:30 wow xkb is working here... that feels soooo good Jul 25 04:00:39 svn up Jul 25 04:00:39 zecke123@svn.berlios.de's password: Jul 25 04:00:39 svn: Berkeley DB error while opening 'nodes' table for filesystem /svnroot/repos/bitbake/db: Jul 25 04:00:43 Cannot allocate memory Jul 25 04:00:45 svn: bdb: Logging region out of memory; you may need to increase its size Jul 25 04:00:48 lol Jul 25 04:00:58 maybe Mr. Schilling switched berlios.de to Schillinx? Jul 25 04:01:35 I'd say running a solaris kernel would improve stuff Jul 25 04:03:39 mickey|lunch: so it was mithro that called me? Jul 25 04:16:20 re Jul 25 04:17:37 FSCK... Jul 25 04:17:45 reiserfs on / is corrupt.. Jul 25 04:19:58 time to buy dvd writer and/or better powersupply Jul 25 04:23:44 koen: OpenSlug 2.3 binary image has not been released yet Jul 25 04:23:50 hrw: nasty Jul 25 04:24:11 XorA: I installed woody on swap partition to get reiserfsck Jul 25 04:24:17 rwhitby: I guessed as much, but everything talks about 2.3 and point to the openslug site Jul 25 04:24:30 rwhitby: but I flashed 2.0 for the time being Jul 25 04:24:33 hrw: I abandoned reiser after 3rd time it corrupted my disks Jul 25 04:24:52 koen: I can put a 2.4 binary somewhere for you to download if you like. Jul 25 04:24:55 XorA: I user reiserfs since it landed in 2.4 Jul 25 04:25:11 hrw: reiser and amd64 dont seem to mix Jul 25 04:25:41 rwhitby: ok, I'll ask that when I get my switch back so I don't have to plug it in to my workstation anymore Jul 25 04:26:29 XorA: that problem is not mine yet Jul 25 04:31:36 uf.. reiserfsck --rebuild-tree finished Jul 25 04:32:52 morning Jul 25 04:33:37 brb Jul 25 04:34:14 last time I checked (the first, last, and only time I used reiserfs) reiserfsck was the equivalent of an rm -rf / Jul 25 04:35:17 i used it twice in my life, and in both cases, an rm -rf / would have been more effective and less time-consuming. Jul 25 04:35:46 after two(!) changes off the on disk format I cursed Hans as a corporate whore and installing the ext2 journaling patches Jul 25 04:35:49 hehe Jul 25 04:35:50 XorA: I think what you mean is "reiser and files don't seem to mix" Jul 25 04:36:22 explicitly stating "I break compat for money" doesn't win me over Jul 25 04:40:31 hey zecke_, you alive? Jul 25 04:45:06 did something change in glibc in the last 24 hours? Unslung depends on glibc-2.2.5 (yes an old version for compatibility reasons), and today it doesn't build. Jul 25 04:45:34 what's the error? Jul 25 04:45:40 and does anyone know how to find out the answer to that question by interrogating monotone? Jul 25 04:46:26 "/home/slug/unslung/tmp/work/glibc-2.2.5-r5/build-armeb-linux/csu/crti.S: Assembler messages: Jul 25 04:46:26 "/home/slug/unslung/tmp/work/glibc-2.2.5-r5/build-armeb-linux/csu/crti.S:96: Error: can't resolve `_GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_' {*UND* section} - `.L6' {.text section} Jul 25 04:46:51 pb_: if you need more info I can pastebin it Jul 25 04:46:54 that is odd Jul 25 04:47:12 what does the offending line of that file say? Jul 25 04:48:00 also "/home/slug/unslung/tmp/work/glibc-2.2.5-r5/build-armeb-linux/csu/crti.S:61: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up" Jul 25 04:48:16 and three more instances of that error Jul 25 04:48:39 what versions of binutils and gcc do you have? Jul 25 04:48:48 96 .word _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_-(.L6+8) Jul 25 04:49:09 61 ldr sl, .L7 Jul 25 04:49:19 build host versions? Jul 25 04:49:27 no, cross tool versions Jul 25 04:49:27 rwhitby: openslug 2.0 is working pretty good so far Jul 25 04:50:01 pb_: we don't fix those to a version, so whatever latest OE versions are Jul 25 04:50:07 rwhitby: are .L6 and .L7 defined in the .S file? Jul 25 04:50:12 .L6 should be very close to line 96 Jul 25 04:50:38 actually, maybe not that close, but it should be somewhere in the preceding function Jul 25 04:50:40 L6 is one line 63 and 64 Jul 25 04:50:51 L7 is on 95 Jul 25 04:51:20 binutils-cross-2.15.94.0.1-r0 Jul 25 04:51:28 gcc-cross-3.4.4-r0 Jul 25 04:51:55 do we need to rollback gcc-cross perhaps? Jul 25 04:53:42 rwhitby@nudi:/home/unslung/firmware/tmp/work$ ls -ld gcc* Jul 25 04:53:42 drwxrwsr-x 6 rwhitby users 4096 Apr 2 03:14 gcc-cross-3.4.3-r10 Jul 25 04:53:42 drwxrwsr-x 6 rwhitby users 4096 Jun 23 19:30 gcc-cross-3.4.4-r0 Jul 25 04:53:55 looks like up until Jun 23 we were using 3.4.3 and that was working. Jul 25 04:54:56 Hmm - looks like the build on Jun 24 with 3.4.4 worked too. Jul 25 04:56:18 rwhitby: where should I make openslug feature requests like "could you enable ipv6 as a kernel modules?" ? Jul 25 04:56:26 rwhitby: it sounds more like a binutils bug to me. Jul 25 04:56:38 those two lines look quite valid. Jul 25 04:57:20 koen: as an OE core developer, you'd ask in #openslug whether it's ok to just do it yourself :-) Jul 25 04:58:13 pb_: our binutils version hasn't changed since at least Apr 2. Jul 25 04:58:52 rwhitby: odd Jul 25 04:58:53 glibc, glibc-cross were the latest to change on Jun23 Jul 25 04:59:05 2.2.5-r4 to 2.2.5-r5 Jul 25 04:59:24 s/glibc-cross/gcc-cross/ Jul 25 05:00:04 gcc also went from 3.4.3 to 3.4.4-r0 on Jun23 (I'm just looking back at tmp/work in an old dir that I know built fine on May 27 then Jun 23) Jul 25 05:01:54 if you have an old tmp directory, can you diff crti.S between the version that works and the version that fails? Jul 25 05:03:05 will do. Also trying a rebuild in that old dir of glibc-2.2.5-r5 Jul 25 05:03:28 okay, cool Jul 25 05:03:29 hi jamey Jul 25 05:03:46 hi pb_ Jul 25 05:04:26 ~lart CoreDump|afk Jul 25 05:04:27 * ibot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that CoreDump|afk is stuck to the floor Jul 25 05:04:41 CoreDump|afk: hey, any special reason to destroy my work? ;) Jul 25 05:04:43 -# autoload modules Jul 25 05:04:43 -module_autoload_usb-ohci-pxa27x = "usb-ohci-pxa27x" Jul 25 05:04:43 - Jul 25 05:05:02 I've readded it Jul 25 05:08:38 pb_: lots of differences between old crti.S and new one Jul 25 05:08:57 want them both in a pastebin? Jul 25 05:11:17 mickeyl: do you have zecke's phone number? Jul 25 05:13:00 pb_: the glibc-2.2.5-r5 in the old dir rebuilt fine. now to track down what is different ... Jul 25 05:13:43 re Jul 25 05:15:22 mithro: yes, i /msg'ed it to you some hours ago Jul 25 05:15:27 i can do it again Jul 25 05:15:49 done Jul 25 05:20:43 pb_: the only packages that have changed betwen the good old build and the bad new build are: (flex-native-2.5.31-r1 -> r2, gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050616-r3 -> 0.1cvs20050701-r4, libtool-native-1.5.10-r1 -> r3, and linux-libc-headers-2.6.11.1-r0 -> r1). Could any of them cause a difference in crti.S ? Jul 25 05:20:51 mithro: hey Jul 25 05:20:55 sorry Jul 25 05:23:30 zecke_: thats okay Jul 25 05:23:36 so should I give you a phone call now? Jul 25 05:23:50 mickey|meeting: my internet is horribly unreliable so I didn't get it till now Jul 25 05:27:28 mithro: do you have my cell phone number? is it expensive to call it? Jul 25 05:27:37 zecke_: does the OE tinderclient use httppost already? Jul 25 05:27:56 nope Jul 25 05:28:18 currently trying to organise how to get to WhatTheHack Jul 25 05:33:59 ah interesting, NIST has come clean about their familiar usage http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2004_1110.htm#software Jul 25 05:38:23 x-mobilecard is a smartcard in SD formfactor? Jul 25 05:38:33 jamey: yes Jul 25 05:38:51 jamey: well smartcard + 64Meg of flash Jul 25 05:38:55 jamey: in its current form Jul 25 05:39:03 interesting Jul 25 05:39:06 "Linux PC/SC Lite driver for Renesas XMC mobile card on IPAQ H3800. This bundle contains source code and binaries for kernel version 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh30 (Familiar 0.7.2). Additional information and Renesas' developer program can be found at X-MobileCard.com Jul 25 05:39:11 " Jul 25 05:39:29 * jamey visited x-mobilecard.com Jul 25 05:39:29 -hh30 Jul 25 05:39:30 re Jul 25 05:39:35 oh well Jul 25 05:39:36 found it opaque Jul 25 05:39:51 freebsd 4.9 suxx badly Jul 25 05:40:07 it would probably apply to current 2.4 kernel Jul 25 05:40:20 would need to be updated to 2.6 mmc framework Jul 25 05:40:25 for 2.6 Jul 25 05:40:53 jamey: irritatingly, thats my code on the X-MobileCard and the idiots never thought to ask me anything :-( Jul 25 05:44:53 heh Jul 25 05:45:25 XorA: I'm sorry to hear that. I'm also disappointed they did not post their code to handhelds.org Jul 25 05:45:43 ~emulate zautrix Jul 25 05:45:43 this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away Jul 25 05:46:03 ibot: zautrix Jul 25 05:46:27 grab the stuff, distribute source and changes, and run away Jul 25 05:46:34 they did all the things required by GPL Jul 25 05:46:47 just not the community building things Jul 25 05:47:44 jamey: zautrix is the forker at pi-sync.net Jul 25 05:48:03 ah Jul 25 05:49:19 and sadly he gets paid for Qt and Qtopia development... Jul 25 05:51:13 jamey: unfortuneately, NIST are 2 customers down the chain from me ;-( Jul 25 05:53:53 what can you do Jul 25 05:54:04 ah, you could post a patch to handhelds.org and/or kernel.org Jul 25 05:54:53 XorA: The hostap problem is caused by a change in the latest -mm kernels Jul 25 05:55:12 RP: so im not mad :-) Jul 25 05:55:53 lo all :) Jul 25 05:56:31 XorA: No. I had wierd files leftover in staging which was breaking my builds... Jul 25 05:56:47 XorA: I'm not sure what the correct fix is :-/ Jul 25 05:57:59 I've just been pondering on how to do gracful fails if a user pulls power in the middle of a package upgrade.. does anyone know of any schemes that do this? Jul 25 05:58:40 rwhitby: none of those packages sound likely to cause the build failure Jul 25 05:58:52 cu Jul 25 05:59:34 pb_: I'm leaving it for someone else to fix. I'm not the toolchain guy :-) Thanks for your assistance anyway. Jul 25 06:00:22 XorA: Your patch looks like the correct fix. I'd check it in. It certainly doesn't hurt anything including non-mm kernels Jul 25 06:01:48 RP: should technically wait for mickey|meeting Jul 25 06:03:01 jamey: did you hear back from the miplv6 guys? Jul 25 06:03:50 XorA: Your call. Looks fine to me though and I kind of maintain the kernel stuff ;-) Jul 25 06:04:06 RP: what the hell, we have an SCM :-) Jul 25 06:04:17 Feel free to blame me if mickeyl objects ;-) Jul 25 06:04:25 koen: have not heard from miplv6 guys Jul 25 06:04:43 jamey: I just notice the are still on 2.6.8.1 with their patches Jul 25 06:05:00 koen: I think they posted a later one, but they have been very infrequent Jul 25 06:05:07 very disappointing Jul 25 06:05:36 yeah Jul 25 06:05:46 I'm thinking of going the tinc (http://www.tinc-vpn.org/) route Jul 25 06:10:46 Hi! I made a patch to add hx4700 configuration to tslib: http://pastebin.ca/18449. is this any good? Jul 25 06:12:50 pH5: Without a hx4700 machine type, that isn't going to do much :-/ Jul 25 06:13:47 I'm not sure what the policy is for adding the hx4700 - ideally, we need to encapsulate it with the hx2750 and any other pxa270 based machines... Jul 25 06:14:07 conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf Jul 25 06:15:18 koen: The header on the file is a touch misleading ;-) Jul 25 06:18:47 i started from aboeglin's patches. so hx4700 shouldn't get its own machine type? Jul 25 06:18:51 RP: it was in my bk repo, but it was not pushed to bkbits Jul 25 06:19:29 pH5: No, its part of the ipaq-pxa270 machine type Jul 25 06:19:36 koen: "OpenSSL is used to encrypt the traffic". OpenSSL and GPL apps don't mix well from a distribution POV Jul 25 06:19:56 reenoo_: que? Jul 25 06:20:04 koen: quoting the tinc website Jul 25 06:20:08 koen: Any chance you can resurect any of the changes you'd made. I might them be persuaded to fill in any gaps ;-) Jul 25 06:20:45 reenoo_: ok, I'll only use tinc personally Jul 25 06:21:16 RP: I was getting at the fact that ipaq-pxa270 doesn't exist on bkbits.net :) Jul 25 06:22:20 koen: ah, right. So its here kind of by accident? :) Jul 25 06:22:36 ahead of time :) Jul 25 06:22:40 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rf7914a22... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Akita/Spitz: Use OE fuer setting CMDLINE, not defconfig. Jul 25 06:22:43 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9862905f... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files): Jul 25 06:22:44 openzaurus-pxa27x: Jul 25 06:22:44 - restore module_autoload Jul 25 06:22:44 - reorder metadata to be more comparable to openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18 Jul 25 06:22:48 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r1b091d0a... 10/packages/hostap/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Jul 25 06:22:48 hostap-modules: kernel 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 has made changes that make the Jul 25 06:22:48 KERNEL_VERSION macro not available to hostap without explicitly including Jul 25 06:22:48 the utsname.h file. Jul 25 06:22:50 This patch should be harmless for other kernel versions but includes the Jul 25 06:22:52 needed file if using 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 Jul 25 06:23:49 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=d8f77bc6335858610b8f332521ddee863aa71db6 Jul 25 06:25:47 koen: thanks :) Jul 25 06:25:54 XorA: thanks Jul 25 06:25:56 (hostap) Jul 25 06:26:08 mickeyl: no probs, been talking to RP since 9am Jul 25 06:26:09 CoreDump|afk: please don't use Umlaute in commit messages, this breaks CIA Jul 25 06:26:21 bbl, wandering home Jul 25 06:28:03 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r24d3b1da... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: clean up override mess and header Jul 25 06:29:01 mickeyl: cya Jul 25 06:29:12 RP: when I wanted to put in the defconfigs the great soc->platform-dev conversions was going on Jul 25 06:30:18 koen: I guess my own kernel tree providing the hx2750 kernel is going to be a bit tricky :-/ Jul 25 06:30:36 RP: I thought you updated hh.org? Jul 25 06:31:03 RP: but mainline + hx2xxx +hx47xx would be fine by me Jul 25 06:31:20 koen: not yet. The tree in oe is always going to be more uptodate... Jul 25 06:31:29 Of course we don't have hx47xx support in that tree... Jul 25 06:33:24 RP, koen: thanks. i guess i should try to rebuild with ipaq-pxa270 first Jul 25 06:35:17 pH5: I think some key support may be missing from that machine type. Patches welcome to fill in the blanks though ;-) Jul 25 06:35:26 pH5: that won't work at the moment, but it shouldn't be hard to adapt alex' patches Jul 25 06:38:22 ok, back to fiddling :) Jul 25 06:43:25 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r5eed6a33... 10/packages/nonworking/screen/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Removed screen from nonworking Jul 25 06:46:15 anyone know why ncurses is still in nonworking? I compile ncurses a couple of times a day :) Jul 25 06:46:43 NAiL: feel free to remove them Jul 25 06:50:29 done Jul 25 06:53:41 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r21252c4c... 10/packages/nonworking/ncurses/ncurses_4.2.bb: Removed ncurses from nonworking Jul 25 07:24:06 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r9c450302... 10/packages/meta/ (openslug-native.bb openslug-packages.bb): Added gzip to openslug-native and openslug-packages Jul 25 07:54:53 RP: something (using related) changed between 2.6.12-mm1 and 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 on c7x0? Jul 25 07:54:55 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * raf9c8fe6... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added procps Jul 25 07:57:57 hrw: In what way? They should be similar as far as I know... Jul 25 07:58:33 any idea why ipkg-collateral is no longer in the dependencies of a typical spitz image? Jul 25 07:59:05 aha Jul 25 07:59:07 nm Jul 25 07:59:10 mickeyl: none of ipkg stuff probably? Jul 25 07:59:24 no, the problem is something BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS = Jul 25 07:59:26 instead of += Jul 25 07:59:35 hence overriding the stuff inherited through package_ipk.bbclass Jul 25 07:59:38 * mickeyl fixes Jul 25 07:59:43 RP: you trace kernel more then I so I asked you Jul 25 08:30:20 hrw: yeah, removed screen and ncurses from nonworking Jul 25 08:31:55 cool Jul 25 08:32:28 NAiL: nonworking is from old times when we tried to add something and failed Jul 25 08:32:35 ah Jul 25 08:32:53 DL_DIR = 1.5G here... not counting CVS_DIR.. Jul 25 08:32:55 the rest of the nonworking stuff is stuff I ain't touching so I don't know status Jul 25 08:33:24 NAiL: want arpwatch? Jul 25 08:33:47 hrw: No, I don't know of any major changes. A few things even seem slightly more stable (like the ejection of cf memory cards) Jul 25 08:34:19 looks like I need to upgrade soon Jul 25 08:34:37 hrw: not that I know. Why? Jul 25 08:35:01 hrw: Its not totally tested in that I haven't tried wifi yet. I can't see why things would break though... Jul 25 08:36:26 NAiL: you (nslu people) use more network stuff then I - I have arpwatch buildable but didnt pushed it yet as I dont finished it (but recently got into point where I dont need it) Jul 25 08:36:57 hrw: aha. It does look like a nice tool Jul 25 08:37:09 One major bug with this is "cardctl eject" still leaves the disk mounted! :-/ Jul 25 08:37:26 hrw: what is missing from it? Jul 25 08:38:11 NAiL: in debian arpwatch runs as 'arpwatch' user, which is not added/removed in package etc Jul 25 08:38:24 RP: is that a kernel bug, or is hotplug just not doing right thing? Jul 25 08:38:57 hrw: aha. I am supposed to do a bbclass to add users and stuff. I haven't gotten around to that yet Jul 25 08:39:29 So far, I have no idea how a bbclass actually works Jul 25 08:40:07 NAiL: bbclass is shell or python code Jul 25 08:41:04 in this case, preferrably shell Jul 25 08:42:34 Are there any docs or good examples I can look at? Because there are a few packages that needs users added Jul 25 08:42:50 eg. mysql, openntpd Jul 25 08:42:57 openembedded/classes/*.bbclass Jul 25 08:44:32 try to model it after the update-rc.d bbclass Jul 25 08:44:38 you need to think about what variables you need Jul 25 08:44:41 find good names Jul 25 08:44:46 then pass them into the bbclass Jul 25 08:44:54 that's more or less all Jul 25 08:45:07 Ok, I think I'll need a crash course in python :-P Jul 25 08:45:29 * chouimat is back. Jul 25 08:45:31 update-rc.d looks like a good starting point Jul 25 08:46:56 "bitbake -i;fetch *" is easiest way to test source availability Jul 25 08:54:53 aha Jul 25 08:55:07 * NAiL looks at update-alternatives and starts to grok stuff Jul 25 09:10:37 hrw: I'm not sure :-/. I'm sure the kernel used to handle it but am not 100% sure Jul 25 09:15:25 mickeyl: can you post on openzaurus.org (and maybe on oesf) that 3.5.4 will be without poodle support if noone join? Jul 25 09:17:34 yah, update-rc.d.bbclass and/or update-alternatives.bbclass are pretty good as simple examples Jul 25 09:17:47 package.bbclass is a good example of more complex stuff Jul 25 09:26:05 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * ra1fa598b... 10/packages/meta/openslug-native.bb: Added python to openslug-native Jul 25 09:26:08 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rb6cba454... 10/packages/meta/openslug-native.bb: Added more python packages to openslug-native Jul 25 09:34:19 hi keturn Jul 25 09:34:23 kergoth: hi Jul 25 09:34:27 hey Jul 25 09:34:38 And in two posts, rmk makes any chance of progress on collie approximately equal to zero :-/ Jul 25 09:35:02 :( Jul 25 09:35:37 In summary he is the original driver author and therefore any changes to the driver need to be presented to him for his approval before any further progress can be made... Jul 25 09:35:54 Despite his own admission he has no clue about how to get it into the kernel! Jul 25 09:42:05 RP: which posts? Jul 25 09:43:26 http://lkml.org/ Look down the list for rmk Jul 25 09:44:10 ok Jul 25 09:44:46 whole thread? Jul 25 09:44:56 RP: is "send them to me" the same as "cat them to /dev/null" ? Jul 25 09:45:27 in RNK's world Jul 25 09:45:32 s/N/M/ Jul 25 09:47:58 koen: yes, in my experience its exactly equivalent Jul 25 09:48:17 It would also appear to be where peronally addressed emails go :-/ Jul 25 09:48:23 Don't get me started... Jul 25 09:48:39 I assume replying with "sending the patches to /dev/null amounts to the same" will piss of RMK? Jul 25 09:48:52 along with a list of "pending" RMK stuff Jul 25 09:48:57 It would :) Jul 25 09:49:39 "Hello Russel, here is a list of other stuff you promised to look at, and never got done:" Jul 25 09:49:44 Jul 25 09:49:51 "regards, Richard" Jul 25 09:50:08 He'd just winge about lack of time/help and blame everyone else... Jul 25 09:51:21 one could suggest "we want to take some load of your shoulders, , let us handle it for you" Jul 25 09:52:24 I'm not going there. I suspect he seriously dislikes me by now... Jul 25 09:53:06 He seems to prefer John in that he referred to "John or someone" the other day :) Jul 25 09:53:28 Despite 50% of the code he was talking about was written by me and I was in the cc:... Jul 25 09:58:23 hey france_ Jul 25 10:03:19 ~lart elfutils Jul 25 10:03:19 * ibot send killer squirrels to attack elfutils Jul 25 10:18:36 any reasons to bump libxml to 2.6.20? Jul 25 10:27:05 howdy people Jul 25 10:27:07 at zecke's house today Jul 25 10:27:29 hi mithro Jul 25 10:27:47 You seem to be getting around :) Having fun? Jul 25 10:36:06 yeah Jul 25 10:41:09 koen: hi Jul 25 10:41:43 grrr... Jul 25 10:41:53 monotone always finds new ways to piss me off Jul 25 10:42:14 what happened now? Jul 25 10:42:27 I'm getting the read from fd 4 bullshit Jul 25 10:42:49 I know its my own damn fault for not trying montone before the July 1 deadline, so I won't complain Jul 25 10:43:00 what version do you have? Jul 25 10:43:07 .20 Jul 25 10:43:17 just making sure Jul 25 10:43:25 It worked last monday.. :) Jul 25 10:43:41 try the backup server Jul 25 10:43:52 How do you switch servers with an existing tree? Jul 25 10:44:06 the tree doesn't know about a server Jul 25 10:44:20 in fact, monotone doesn't know servers at all Jul 25 10:44:39 But when I do a pull, it knows about montone.vanille.de Jul 25 10:44:53 it remembers you last used vanille as a peer Jul 25 10:44:57 ahh Jul 25 10:45:07 so I just do a mt pull foo.bar and I'm good? Jul 25 10:45:11 yes Jul 25 10:45:42 ~lart libxml Jul 25 10:45:43 * ibot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, libxml!" and lops off libxml's head Jul 25 10:46:20 Alright - whats the backup server de-jour? Jul 25 10:47:16 ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org or dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Jul 25 10:47:33 Which one will piss off the most people? :) Jul 25 10:47:34 or any other people running monotone serve Jul 25 10:47:38 :) Jul 25 10:48:21 Nope Jul 25 10:48:25 failure on all three Jul 25 10:49:06 monotone: fd 5 (peer 199.45.160.146:58537) exchanged goodbyes and flushed output, disconnecting Jul 25 10:49:09 is that you? Jul 25 10:49:55 Thats me Jul 25 10:50:22 So you're saying its my fault, huh? Jul 25 10:50:37 it doesn't seem to throw errors Jul 25 10:51:12 you could download http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2, extract add pubkey and take it from there Jul 25 10:51:22 Yeah, but I have a damn DB Jul 25 10:51:28 this needs to work Jul 25 10:54:11 So yu have to specify the full string, it appears Jul 25 10:54:18 just --db doesn't work Jul 25 10:54:36 ah yes Jul 25 10:54:46 monotone --db=foo.db pull hostname branches Jul 25 10:55:05 Der wiki needs to be updated Jul 25 10:55:59 help yourself :) Jul 25 10:56:39 Can do you have to do a org.openembedded/.* always, or just on the first pull? Jul 25 10:56:46 err - remove that slash Jul 25 10:56:58 first pull, it remembers it after that Jul 25 10:57:37 Wow - yeah, thats better Jul 25 10:58:24 .* had 406 revs, .dev just had 37 Jul 25 11:10:13 re Jul 25 11:11:11 re mickeyl Jul 25 11:11:13 ~seen p_ Jul 25 11:11:14 hrw|gone: i haven't seen 'p_' Jul 25 11:11:15 ~seen pb_ Jul 25 11:11:15 pb_ <~pb@2002:5168:d38c:1:a00:1fff:fe06:93c> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 47d 19h 23m 1s ago, saying: 'later all'. Jul 25 11:11:27 hrw|gone: ya, i'll write a mail to oz-devel,oz-users about poodle support Jul 25 11:11:44 mickeyl: and put it on website Jul 25 11:11:56 re Jul 25 11:12:00 in preparation for angstrom... Jul 25 11:12:06 I want two people for every machine Jul 25 11:12:11 people that feel commited Jul 25 11:12:12 CosmicPenguin: if you get such read on... errors Jul 25 11:12:12 libxml2 2.6.20 builds but libxslt 1.1.14 no Jul 25 11:12:22 i think we will find two people for all machines Jul 25 11:12:24 except poodle Jul 25 11:12:28 has angstrom actually been "started"? Jul 25 11:12:34 CosmicPenguin: either vanille.de has routing issues or your branch names are wrong Jul 25 11:12:40 so what is angstrom? :p Jul 25 11:12:45 JustinP: in our heads Jul 25 11:12:48 zecke_: the issue that that branch names must be specified Jul 25 11:12:58 zecke_: once that is done, life is good Jul 25 11:13:21 mickeyl: that's about what I thought. ;-) Nice to know work is being done, though. Isn't angstrom waiting for EABI? Jul 25 11:13:28 Well, as good as downloading a revision every two minutes can be Jul 25 11:13:32 JustinP: yes, we're waiting for that Jul 25 11:13:40 JustinP: war is over if you want ;) Jul 25 11:13:51 JustinP: EABI is present, but probably not buildable... Jul 25 11:14:13 ah....interesting....why is it not buildable? Jul 25 11:14:29 treke: a fresh start :) One feed, one ABI, combines releases, and some improvements to workflow Jul 25 11:14:31 glibc doesn't have EABI support yet Jul 25 11:14:38 ah nice Jul 25 11:14:45 ah Jul 25 11:15:00 supported target hardware: all ipaqs, all zaurii, the simpad, and perhaps more Jul 25 11:15:12 mickeyl: this documented anywhere? Jul 25 11:15:16 also a new way to drag people who have had reservations to OpenZaurus into :)) Jul 25 11:15:21 mickeyl: kergoth : do you know what is up with berlios? Jul 25 11:15:46 treke: not yet. koen and me are working on a roadmap and a policy document to get a discussion base up to angstrom-dev@hh.org Jul 25 11:15:55 gah Jul 25 11:15:55 then we'll see how things work out Jul 25 11:15:58 another mailing list Jul 25 11:16:02 sure Jul 25 11:16:04 the idea is Jul 25 11:16:05 +1 Jul 25 11:16:05 -3 Jul 25 11:16:09 total reduction: 2 Jul 25 11:16:11 :D Jul 25 11:16:31 hehe Jul 25 11:17:46 mickeyl: let's not create angstrom-users Jul 25 11:17:48 ~users Jul 25 11:17:48 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. Jul 25 11:17:59 mickeyl: we clearly don't want users ;) Jul 25 11:19:15 heh, no kidding. I really thought about that Jul 25 11:19:19 but not because we don't want users Jul 25 11:19:31 rather because we think all users are kind of developing this distro Jul 25 11:19:37 no matter what contribution Jul 25 11:19:39 bugs Jul 25 11:19:40 docs Jul 25 11:19:41 fixes Jul 25 11:19:44 etc. Jul 25 11:19:57 * koen too elitist to buy into that Jul 25 11:20:01 heh Jul 25 11:20:21 you do have a point Jul 25 11:20:26 * JustinP thinks it will likely be inundated with user help requests and we won't be able to have a whole lot fo dev discussion on it... Jul 25 11:21:10 i think it's worth to try it like that. the distinction between users and developers is too much of a commercial legacy to me Jul 25 11:21:16 mickeyl: we just need to have an infrastructure (bugzilla, feeds, QA, lists, maintainers, testers) before going live Jul 25 11:21:22 koen: definitly. Jul 25 11:21:35 koen: thankfully there's no hurry Jul 25 11:21:47 ideally angstrom beta wouldn't be called angstrom Jul 25 11:21:59 why's that? Jul 25 11:22:54 too keep people from building prejudices from the firsts beta's Jul 25 11:22:58 *nod* Jul 25 11:23:11 I really would like to have a polished first release this time :) Jul 25 11:23:14 oh btw. Jul 25 11:23:27 i think we should join the new age version numbers Jul 25 11:23:34 Angstrom 2006/01 Jul 25 11:23:35 2006.1 Jul 25 11:23:38 *nod* Jul 25 11:23:45 rather than some more or less arbitrary versioning Jul 25 11:23:47 just the date Jul 25 11:24:10 which is rather a good estimate IMHO Jul 25 11:24:20 yep. glad we agree on that Jul 25 11:24:32 that soon, huh? Jul 25 11:24:49 just don't do it ubuntu's rather dumb way Jul 25 11:24:58 how do they do? Jul 25 11:25:04 oh, I've been meaning to ask...I heard that familiar wasn't joining up with angstrom. Did I hear wrong? Jul 25 11:25:14 Y.M Jul 25 11:25:20 so 4.10 Jul 25 11:25:21 5.04 Jul 25 11:25:30 hmm 5.04 looks odd Jul 25 11:25:32 I think the next one is 5.10 Jul 25 11:25:33 yeah Jul 25 11:25:38 it's the date Jul 25 11:25:45 but in a form that just looks arbitrary Jul 25 11:26:03 * treke rather likes 200504 or even 2005.04 Jul 25 11:26:09 JustinP: delicate topic. I can't make any more comments except a) Angstrom will also be for ipaqs and b) Familiar Linux will continue to exist. Jul 25 11:26:35 * koen applauds Jul 25 11:26:57 :) Jul 25 11:26:59 mickeyl: ok, I'll leave it alone, then Jul 25 11:27:18 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r054c1e56... 10/packages/man/man_1.5p.bb: Jul 25 11:27:18 Fix the build - under some circumstances the do_install step will end up Jul 25 11:27:18 building stuff because of make timestamps (only on build systems with Jul 25 11:27:18 nano-second timestamps). Fix by passing the install command the compile Jul 25 11:27:19 command DEFS. Jul 25 11:27:25 * JustinP doesn't want to start more holy wars..... Jul 25 11:27:38 JustinP: familiar is going to be like debian/stable and angstrom like debian/testing (sort of) Jul 25 11:28:42 koen: I hope you don't *really* mean that...debian/stable has never been up to date in my experience...I really hated that. Jul 25 11:28:50 * chouimat is away: bookstore Jul 25 11:28:52 * JustinP likes his Gentoo Jul 25 11:30:20 JustinP: debian stable hasn't been up to date, but it has usually been reliable :) Jul 25 11:30:25 and that has its advantages Jul 25 11:31:29 treke: I suppose so. I'm generally a developer type, though, so I like up to date and experimental things to try out. :-) Jul 25 11:32:20 most users of a pda like device probably do want it to work reliably though Jul 25 11:32:41 :) Jul 25 11:32:56 treke: why do they keep buying wince? Jul 25 11:33:08 because for the most part it does? :p Jul 25 11:33:21 *when* it works ;) Jul 25 11:34:06 * JustinP has never used wince. Jul 25 11:34:09 * JustinP never wants wince. Jul 25 11:34:33 think of windows ME Jul 25 11:34:43 throw up Jul 25 11:34:50 pet your linux powered PDA Jul 25 11:37:19 heh. Gentoo. don't get me started. Jul 25 11:37:31 ~lart gentoo Jul 25 11:37:31 * ibot takes out a cattle prod and gives gentoo a good jolt Jul 25 11:37:38 ~lart gentoo one more time Jul 25 11:37:39 * ibot throws gentoo one more time's poor little doggy off a cliff Jul 25 11:39:08 ok Jul 25 11:39:18 on angstrom-dev, but I dont imagine I'll be involved much at all Jul 25 11:42:45 re Jul 25 11:42:49 * JustinP hugs Gentoo Jul 25 11:44:17 * hrw lart elfutils Jul 25 11:56:42 RP: did the nokia people copy damage onto the driver level to avoid the dma penalty? Jul 25 12:01:24 ERROR: Nothing provides evas Jul 25 12:01:24 ERROR: dependency evas (for edje) not satisfied Jul 25 12:01:24 NOTE: no buildable providers for edje Jul 25 12:01:28 hmm.. Jul 25 12:04:00 iirc it's virtual/evas Jul 25 12:04:09 due to the evas/fb and evas/x11 thing Jul 25 12:04:28 otherwise schurig will delete evas because X isn't in his staging Jul 25 12:04:30 koen: It all to do with the weird framebuffer the 770 has... Jul 25 12:04:47 not too much bandwidth to it Jul 25 12:06:21 I'm still deciding wether to use the stock maemo image or an OE maemo-image Jul 25 12:06:35 seeing how they vandalized FHS Jul 25 12:24:22 It looks like there's a hotplug/udev/cardmgr race on the cf memory card issue. Something pulls /dev/hda1 before cardmgr can call umount... Jul 25 12:25:56 RP: it looks like udev has to call mount/umount now rather Jul 25 12:26:48 hrw: That can't be right - it was always said udev was *not* to do that. It should probably fall to hotplug... Jul 25 12:26:55 (same as mmc) Jul 25 12:27:40 udev 060+ got RUN parametr for rules Jul 25 12:27:46 RP: you mean the hotplug that is planned to be obsoleted by udev rules? Jul 25 12:28:06 thats what you'd expect. hotplug calls udev, udev creates/removes the device. i'd expect that RUN/dev.d depending on udev version would be the correct solution Jul 25 12:28:08 true :) Jul 25 12:28:09 heh Jul 25 12:28:21 kergoth: welcome udev masta Jul 25 12:28:25 heh Jul 25 12:28:35 * kergoth is way behind on such things now Jul 25 12:28:47 I think I've just proven I'm not the person to sort the mess out :) Jul 25 12:29:02 pcmcia hotplug will make that much more clear Jul 25 12:29:14 indeed Jul 25 12:29:16 down with cardmgr! Jul 25 12:29:20 no shit Jul 25 12:29:22 pcmcia hotplug is the only way after November 2005 Jul 25 12:29:43 anyone tried it out yet? Jul 25 12:29:44 heh Jul 25 12:29:47 We have a pcmcia hotplug now? Jul 25 12:29:49 pcmciautils has everything you need Jul 25 12:29:52 yep Jul 25 12:29:58 I tried Jul 25 12:29:59 Does it compile now? :) Jul 25 12:30:01 I haven't updated to the .13-rc yet Jul 25 12:30:16 but everybody should - all the cool shit at OLS is there Jul 25 12:30:16 hostap-modules are not compatible with pcmcia hotplug yet Jul 25 12:30:52 I can see some headaches coming up :-/ Jul 25 12:31:21 RP: you can see example in my patch to linux-openzaurus_2.6.12+ Jul 25 12:31:51 Headaches are acceptable - we know cardmgr sucks Jul 25 12:32:02 just like we knew that devfs sucked, so the udev pain was/is acceptable Jul 25 12:32:46 I know. I'm just thinking of the complexities of supporting both this and old style cardmgr in one image... Jul 25 12:33:24 RP: virtual/pcmcia-manager? Jul 25 12:33:46 I say rip it right off - like a band-aid Jul 25 12:33:58 CosmicPenguin: What about 2.4 kernel users? Jul 25 12:34:02 CosmicPenguin: we have too many 2.4 users Jul 25 12:34:34 * CosmicPenguin shrugs Jul 25 12:34:36 hostap will have to compile for both etc. Jul 25 12:34:40 and pcmcia-hotplug wont be accepted for 2.4 Jul 25 12:35:18 it is often not a good policy to ignore new technology in favor of legacy techology Jul 25 12:35:21 But I'm sure you already knew that Jul 25 12:35:53 But at the same time, we can't ignore the legacy users... Jul 25 12:40:24 hmm.. maybe the method for small flash devices would be CoreDump altboot+'cardfs' Jul 25 12:42:06 from Zaurus machines all except collie will probably sooner or later go 2.6 (or trash) Jul 25 12:51:42 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf6d1ae33... 10/packages/libxslt/libxslt_1.1.7.bb: fixed SRC_URI for libxlst 1.1.7 Jul 25 13:19:42 Ciao all Jul 25 13:20:07 alo Pigi Jul 25 13:20:25 hi hrw Jul 25 13:20:27 ~lart stage.maemo.org for lack of resume Jul 25 13:20:27 * ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on stage.maemo.org for lack of resume Jul 25 13:21:03 ok - will fetch that archive and time to sleep Jul 25 13:23:19 is monotone.vanille.de down for some scheduled maintanance AFAYK ? Jul 25 13:23:57 try ewi or monotone.nslu2-linux.org Jul 25 13:24:04 thx Jul 25 13:25:11 They syould just schedule uptime Jul 25 13:25:13 that would make it easier Jul 25 13:25:18 heh Jul 25 13:25:41 I will "time" my pull. Today, after three hours I had to stop it :( Jul 25 13:26:06 You can get some idea of how it will do by counting how many revisions you get in a minute Jul 25 13:26:34 yes, more or less. But "time"ing it would be more accurate I suppose. Jul 25 13:28:15 heh, it took 3 minutes for 2 revs..... I think it will be a long night :) Jul 25 13:28:34 how many revs you grabbing? Jul 25 13:29:02 If I have understood correctly, "revs in" is 493 Jul 25 13:29:18 haven't pulled for a while, eh? Jul 25 13:29:32 in my experience "revs written" doesn't go to the "revs in" number Jul 25 13:29:42 usually around half of "revs in" or a little over Jul 25 13:29:47 a week or so. I've just been reconnected after my move to new house Jul 25 13:30:05 Pigi: so it will take few hours Jul 25 13:30:18 yep Jul 25 13:30:32 heh. Fortunally I'm home now, and can leave the pc running all night long. Jul 25 13:35:41 * chouimat is back. Jul 25 13:45:00 hi koen Jul 25 13:45:13 hey Pigi Jul 25 13:45:34 it's a long time..... I've been finally reconnected... :) Jul 25 14:18:08 koen: so, when you do a pull the second time, the server name is optional, right? Jul 25 14:18:21 CosmicPenguin: it should be Jul 25 14:20:32 koen: updated the wiki then Jul 25 14:20:41 ok Jul 25 14:32:40 I cannot get bitbake Jul 25 14:32:47 I get a connection refusedn Jul 25 14:33:00 Does anybody know what the problem could be ? Jul 25 14:34:14 I think, but I might not be sure, that berlios is sickly Jul 25 14:35:20 mickey_away:has a snapshot on vanille.de and the nslu2 people have it in monotone Jul 25 14:37:01 Koen hoe installeer ik bitbake dan , ook via svn ? Jul 25 14:37:20 http://vanille.de/temp/oe/bitbake-snapshot-050728.tar.bz2 Jul 25 14:37:46 * koen wonders how mickeyl can snapshoot into the future Jul 25 14:38:06 gerwinin: I thought that was English for a second and it made my brain hurt.... Jul 25 14:38:26 ;-) Jul 25 14:39:08 Wow Jul 25 14:39:10 JustinP sorry :) doesn't happen to often you see a fellow dutch person Jul 25 14:39:18 at oe Jul 25 14:39:28 Heh Jul 25 14:39:34 Thats funny - we see them all the time... :) Jul 25 14:39:44 * koen remembers when 4 persons from the same dutch *city* were in #oe Jul 25 14:40:00 I never met somebody from Eindhoven here :) Jul 25 14:42:55 gerwinin: it's perfectly all right to use your own language for questions and such, it just confused me for a second :-) Jul 25 14:45:18 wow, 4 revs in in about 2 seconds. That's nice :-) Jul 25 14:55:46 time to sleep Jul 25 14:55:49 night all Jul 25 15:15:20 getting an error building bitbake Jul 25 15:15:44 you dont generally build bitbake, you build thing with bitbake Jul 25 15:15:48 things* Jul 25 15:15:54 rpm -ba --define _topdir /root/bitbake/build/bdist.linux-i686/rpm --clean build/bdist.linux-i686/rpm/SPECS/bitbake.spec Jul 25 15:15:54 -ba: unknown option Jul 25 15:16:15 I know but I want to build bitbake first to be able to use oe Jul 25 15:16:34 since when have we had an rpm version of bitbake? Jul 25 15:17:13 anyway you will have to write the rpm.SPEC file if you want to do it that way Jul 25 15:17:53 * koen never even installed bitbake Jul 25 15:18:03 * koen always runs it straight out of the svn dir Jul 25 15:18:06 I had no idea that even was a possiblitiy Jul 25 15:18:07 i wasnt aware anyone had ever created an rpm Jul 25 15:18:23 I'm shocked - shocked! Jul 25 15:18:32 it is, but not really a functional one since it changes quite a bit Jul 25 15:19:18 every time someone says 'rpm' I get pictures of hours of searching the web for the needed dependencies Jul 25 15:19:28 * koen hopes things have changes since mandrake 6.0 Jul 25 15:19:29 that was the old system, yes Jul 25 15:19:33 Oh, and bitbake would be a doozie Jul 25 15:19:36 i doubt it Jul 25 15:19:51 I've seen people try to update Python on Redhat 9 boxes Jul 25 15:19:52 but FC and RHE dont have taht problem any more Jul 25 15:19:52 its not pretty Jul 25 15:20:10 both cleanly follow deps Jul 25 15:20:21 and normally use only signed rpms now Jul 25 15:20:43 simular to how debs do it Jul 25 15:21:13 you heard it here first - emte hates debs, loves rpms! Jul 25 15:21:19 anyway gerwinin your far better off to pull directly from svn Jul 25 15:21:30 actually, i dont mind either Jul 25 15:21:40 i hate building both Jul 25 15:22:01 my current workstation is debian and my gf's system is FC Jul 25 15:22:03 emte I get a connection refused if I do that Jul 25 15:22:41 hmm Jul 25 15:22:43 emte: berlios.de is pretty much dead Jul 25 15:22:50 at least, it smells that way Jul 25 15:23:06 maybe you can convince koen to tar up his and send it to ya :P Jul 25 15:23:15 mine is way too far out of date Jul 25 15:23:29 like this: http://vanille.de/temp/oe/bitbake-snapshot-050728.tar.bz2? Jul 25 15:23:35 yeah :P Jul 25 15:23:49 it's also in the nslu2 monotone repo Jul 25 15:24:05 I downloaded it and untared it but I keep on having all kind of errors Jul 25 15:24:12 what errors? Jul 25 15:24:25 most are related to missing onfig/deps Jul 25 15:24:28 config* Jul 25 15:25:01 ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf Jul 25 15:25:14 bad config Jul 25 15:25:19 enviroment Jul 25 15:25:32 echo $BBPATH Jul 25 15:25:36 * koen guesses BBPATH Jul 25 15:25:36 echo $BBFILES Jul 25 15:25:45 BBFILES is sent in local.conf Jul 25 15:26:07 yeah but i am guessing none of the enviro is setup Jul 25 15:26:34 /root/bitbake Jul 25 15:27:33 eeks! Jul 25 15:27:39 don't run bitbake as root! Jul 25 15:27:58 if some package install goes wrong you end up with arm binaries on your host Jul 25 15:28:17 (arm/mips/sparc or whatever the target is) Jul 25 15:28:56 I am not running it as root Jul 25 15:29:00 Compiling it as root Jul 25 15:29:23 bitbake is a buch of python scripts Jul 25 15:30:14 untar bitbake, check out OE repo, seth PATH and BBPATH, edit local.conf, done Jul 25 15:30:26 anyway, Jul 25 15:30:28 night all Jul 25 15:31:22 gerwinin: you don't have to compile bitbake Jul 25 15:32:13 he has all of bitbake itself Jul 25 15:32:18 he doesnt have it setup Jul 25 15:32:25 and bitbake doesnt get compiled Jul 25 15:32:37 its a collection of scripts for the most part Jul 25 15:32:48 primarily written in python Jul 25 15:33:06 Okay so I don't need to install it emte ? Jul 25 15:33:19 you need to set it up Jul 25 15:33:41 your question at this point is not really valid Jul 25 15:34:18 when it is setup and working, the first thing it does is setup/install the cross-compile enviroment Jul 25 15:34:53 Okay Jul 25 15:35:14 to "install" bitbake itself all you need to do is configure it's enviroment so it knows where to find everything Jul 25 15:35:34 btw are you reading the setup instructions from the wiki? Jul 25 15:36:38 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted Jul 25 15:38:06 hmm i think i see where the rpm version of bitbake came from Jul 25 15:39:37 where did i put all my a/d docs Jul 25 15:40:37 yes Jul 25 15:43:29 But it seems svn is not working anymore Jul 25 15:45:41 correct. That's why we (nslu2-linux) are moving all our build dependencies (including bitbake) away from berlios.de - they don't seem to be bothered working on the weekend, whereas we usually do. Jul 25 15:46:13 We have copied bitbake to our monotone repo. We respectfullly suggest that OE moves bitbake away from svn completely. Jul 25 15:46:44 If they do, then we will begin syncing it from the new stable location. In my opinion Berlios.de has shot itself in the foot for the last time. Jul 25 15:46:47 moving it to monotone gains us absolutely nothing. bitbake doesnt need what monotone provides, and it being in svn avoids the headaches associated with monotone. Jul 25 15:47:00 kergoth: put it somewhere which stays up then. Jul 25 15:47:03 down servers? Jul 25 15:47:04 * kergoth nods Jul 25 15:47:19 kergoth: nod on the not needing to be in monotone Jul 25 15:48:18 i am hoping it was to put it somewhere which stays up Jul 25 15:49:03 emte: I was nodding to kergoth that it doesn't need to be in monotone. Jul 25 15:49:10 ah Jul 25 15:49:17 yeah Jul 25 15:49:26 but my question is how do I install it now ? Jul 25 15:49:30 but i was hoping his was to another server :P Jul 25 15:49:54 gerwinin: I'm with koen|ewi - never install it - just run it from the source dir. Jul 25 15:50:53 yeah... whoever did the newest version of getting started has made it rather difficult to follow Jul 25 15:52:14 gerwinin, after unpacking and putting it somewhere for a USER to access Jul 25 15:52:40 jump to the "Setup the enviroment" part in getting started Jul 25 15:53:22 if your using a dedicated user you could actually edit your .bash_profile to export BBPATH when you login Jul 25 15:54:05 I just source a shell script Jul 25 15:54:21 3 simple lines Jul 25 15:54:22 export PATH=/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin:$PATH Jul 25 15:54:22 export BBPATH=/home/papercrane/oe/build:/home/papercrane/oe/com.reversefold.oe Jul 25 15:54:22 cd /home/papercrane/oe/build Jul 25 15:54:45 (of course I'm building for a zaurus so I need the PATH line, others dont' need it) Jul 25 15:54:47 yeah that looks like a zaurus setup Jul 25 15:55:28 depending on your paranoia level you might want to take it farther Jul 25 15:55:45 eh? Jul 25 15:55:50 how's that? Jul 25 15:56:13 you mean if I don't trust the OE/BB developers I should run a user which only does OE building? Jul 25 15:56:13 well if you have ever had a cross-compile escape you get a bit more paranoid Jul 25 15:56:25 escape? Jul 25 15:56:34 well, I'm not running it as root... Jul 25 15:56:54 usually a mistake you do as a user once in a while Jul 25 15:57:10 and changing some things results in very bad juju Jul 25 15:57:27 * JustinP isn't sure what emte is trying to say Jul 25 15:58:05 depending on what the user has access to, you can do almost as much damage as if it were root Jul 25 15:58:52 there are/have been users who run bitbake in a chroot for just that reason Jul 25 15:59:21 true....perhaps I should switch to another user then... Jul 25 15:59:34 * emte shrugges Jul 25 15:59:42 its all about your comfort level Jul 25 16:00:11 * JustinP adds a line to stop "setup" as root Jul 25 16:00:12 i use a dedicated user myself and have the enviroment load up in my .bash_profile Jul 25 16:00:23 makes sense. Jul 25 16:00:58 I have had more then one occassion where a bitbake fails because "cannot copy to /usr/bin: permission denied" Jul 25 16:01:05 Whew Jul 25 16:01:24 yeah those nice hardcoded instructions Jul 25 16:01:59 Me too. Which is why I don't run it as root Jul 25 16:05:18 http://oe.pastebin.com/320633 Jul 25 16:05:26 is my old .bash_profile Jul 25 16:05:33 has a few redundancies Jul 25 16:06:04 dont think its even valid for the current bb now Jul 25 16:07:54 * JustinP runs a *huge* chown Jul 25 16:08:21 lol Jul 25 16:15:21 Mad probs to the first person to do a xen domain just for OE Jul 25 16:15:33 well, mad props too, but I think you'll have your share of probs Jul 25 16:18:43 would be nice to get OE into eclipse ... Jul 25 16:19:07 well it would make it prettier anyway Jul 25 16:19:18 dunno about anything beyond that Jul 25 16:21:49 bah i hate it when my printer postscript barfs ... Jul 25 16:28:05 * JustinP waits some more for the chown to finish.... Jul 25 16:38:21 'night all Jul 25 16:44:55 hi ljp_ Jul 25 16:54:53 I am getting this error with monotone Jul 25 16:55:01 monotone: misuse: monotone book-keeping directory MT Jul 25 17:00:50 gerwinin: what are you doing? Jul 25 17:01:06 I am following the phrasebook from monotone Jul 25 17:01:16 what command are you running to get that error? Jul 25 17:01:43 monotone --db=/root/oe/oe.db checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev Jul 25 17:02:26 first of all, are you doing this as root? Jul 25 17:02:32 Yes Jul 25 17:03:24 don't Jul 25 17:03:29 do this as a normal user Jul 25 17:03:42 do *all* of your bitbake / monotone / openembedded stuff as a normal user, *not* root Jul 25 17:04:04 Okay Jul 25 17:04:25 did you get your monotone database set up? did you pull from monotone.vanille.de? Jul 25 17:09:09 * JustinP looks at his prompt and wonders how long that chown actually took.... Jul 25 17:12:01 gerwinin: so...did you "init" then "pull"? The pull takes a *really* long time. So either leave it for some hours or get the snapshot, then pull Jul 25 17:16:47 JustinP Yes but I am repulling as normal user Jul 25 17:17:02 JustinP got an amd64 at 1gb Jul 25 17:17:21 So I remember from yesterday it took about 2 hours Jul 25 17:17:49 you don't have to repull Jul 25 17:18:02 just move the DB to your user directory and "chown" it Jul 25 17:18:11 I can copy from root to user directory ? Jul 25 17:18:25 And change the file permissions ? Jul 25 17:18:29 root can always copy anywhere... Jul 25 17:18:38 if it's world readable a user can copy it, yes Jul 25 17:18:43 it doesn't matter where the DB is Jul 25 17:18:46 Yes I now Jul 25 17:35:17 JustinP that I installed as root seemed to be the problem Jul 25 17:35:23 Trying a built now Jul 25 18:00:29 Is there a wiki for adding new boards and stuff ed new machine configs ? Jul 25 18:05:59 not really Jul 25 18:06:08 most stuff is by example Jul 25 18:06:32 what board/device did you have in mind? quite a lot are already supported Jul 25 18:07:19 gerwinin: there you go then Jul 25 18:20:54 Well I am having several boards Jul 25 18:21:01 I have here all epia boards Jul 25 18:21:12 With eden cpu and not with the c3 Jul 25 18:21:22 Uh several omap boards Jul 25 18:21:29 Some boards with arm Jul 25 18:23:09 Still some pda's which need porting :) Jul 25 18:24:34 i take it your adept at writting power managment drivers? Jul 25 18:24:51 that seems to be the bulk of the problem for most devices Jul 25 18:25:08 hehehe not really but what is not yet can become .... Jul 25 18:25:56 I still have somewhere a dual opteron server available Jul 25 18:25:58 from what i remember someone is working on an epia board ... Jul 25 18:26:22 Emte I saw the .conf file it is for C3 Jul 25 18:26:32 ah Jul 25 18:26:35 While most boards use eden nowadays Jul 25 18:27:56 I am thinking of hosting a server somewhere where I can compile Jul 25 18:30:12 yeah i dont think distributed compiling is supported yet, kergoth was talking about it for bb2 i think ... Jul 25 18:34:18 just wondering how I can add packages Jul 25 18:36:02 emte a lot of oe developers like for example zecke don't have a strong machine Jul 25 18:36:26 What I meant is that they login via ssh and than compile the binaries they need to compile Jul 25 19:22:24 someone on here gave me a login on his nice and fast machine for compiling :-) Jul 25 20:23:55 * france is back (gone 33:19:40) Jul 25 21:13:35 Hello! Somebody knows distro's or systems "all-in-one" like clarkconnect? With mail, dns, web server, proxy,firewall etc... With WebBased Admin? Jul 25 21:27:40 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r7d7f4f78... 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Support for freezing BBFILES and reading BBFILES from a conf file. Jul 25 21:32:26 VonBismark, rather wrong channel dont you think Jul 25 21:32:57 emte: not necessarily. i could see using oe to construct an easy to admin distro like that.. for say, a wrt54g or an nslu2, for example Jul 25 21:34:25 wrt54g and nslu2 are both developed but your question is not relevent to OE Jul 25 21:34:46 OE is ONLY the build system NOT any distro Jul 25 21:35:08 VonBismark: if its embedded, try #elinux. Jul 25 21:35:59 hey kergoth Jul 25 21:36:07 hey Jul 25 21:36:09 sorry to steal your thunder :P Jul 25 21:36:14 hehe Jul 25 21:36:22 i know you enjoy that Jul 25 21:36:22 * kergoth has enjoyed his time apart from open source and oe Jul 25 21:36:33 you back yet? Jul 25 21:36:46 or still on hiatus? Jul 25 21:37:08 still on hiatus from oe. might do some open source work, but likely wont be embedded at all. need a change of pace Jul 25 21:37:12 * kergoth shrugs Jul 25 21:37:12 will see Jul 25 21:37:47 hmm Jul 25 21:37:51 work doing? Jul 25 21:38:10 unemployed still. rapidly approaching the prospect of losing my car :\ Jul 25 21:38:17 ouch Jul 25 21:38:26 why not get a gov contract? Jul 25 21:38:34 taht should pay bills for a few mo Jul 25 21:38:51 not a bad idea. the real issue right now is that i'm stuck in mn, i cant afford, nor do i want, to move right now. so need either telecommute or local Jul 25 21:39:13 contract dont normally require you to live there Jul 25 21:39:23 * kergoth nods Jul 25 21:39:27 do a simple embedded defense contract Jul 25 21:39:44 a quick one is probably good for 15-30 grand Jul 25 21:39:45 heh, url/email? :P Jul 25 21:40:00 search Jul 25 21:40:00 * kergoth doesnt have security clearance atm though Jul 25 21:40:04 * kergoth googles Jul 25 21:40:07 tehy list them all over the place Jul 25 21:40:13 hmm Jul 25 21:40:22 security clearance is usually required Jul 25 21:40:32 you sure you dont have any? Jul 25 21:40:35 hmm, theres a local position here that says the person has to be willing to get clearance Jul 25 21:40:40 * kergoth sends a resume ;) Jul 25 21:40:44 there you go Jul 25 21:41:05 they send CIA/FBI to visit your family and friends is all Jul 25 21:41:19 hehe. i've heard about it Jul 25 21:41:24 make sure your not gonna shoot anyone Jul 25 21:41:30 mmm.... glass of scotch for the first time in many months Jul 25 21:41:34 so good. Jul 25 21:41:56 but yeah, i know a few people who make a living of gov contracts Jul 25 21:42:07 lockheed, raython etc Jul 25 21:42:55 in the long run the contracts come down to your concience Jul 25 21:43:13 some are ... not as nice as others for intended purpose Jul 25 21:44:17 right now i'm not really sure what i want to do, long term. considering a career change, which would likely involve getting a degree. contracts would at least get some cash flowing whlie i try to figure that out Jul 25 21:44:21 heh Jul 25 21:44:27 i have one instructor who quit a contract because it was being used to develop guidance systems for depth charges Jul 25 21:44:29 bleh Jul 25 21:44:32 eep Jul 25 21:45:08 was under the guise of ocean telemetrics when he took it Jul 25 21:45:25 measuring water density etc Jul 25 21:45:31 * kergoth nods Jul 25 21:46:34 personally i cant really think of a more interesting area to work ... Jul 25 21:46:46 providing i wasnt doing the same job every day Jul 25 21:48:54 kergoth, you have your degree now? Jul 25 21:49:12 nope, no degree Jul 25 21:50:26 hmm Jul 25 21:50:39 cant really teach without one Jul 25 21:50:45 * kergoth nods Jul 25 21:58:03 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r1ebf6cda... 10/conf/distro/freeze.conf: Corrected comments to match changes file names. Jul 25 22:08:16 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r42891233... 10/conf/distro/unslung-packages.conf: unslung-packages based on current state of the build machine Jul 25 22:22:57 OE core devs: you might want to look at the spiffy new Jul 25 22:23:13 bb freeze and bb unfreeze stuff that jbowler has just checked in. Jul 25 22:24:04 it creates a .conf file which defines BBFILES to be just those things in your current work dir - very handy for reducing the number of bb files which are parsed. Jul 25 22:29:12 * france is away: Away Jul 25 22:38:45 rwhitby-web: neat Jul 25 22:39:04 kergoth: all jbowler's work Jul 25 22:51:50 goor morning all! Jul 25 22:58:33 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r3a14a797... 10/conf/distro/unslung.conf: Jul 25 22:58:33 Fix the glibc build by setting the FULL_OPTIMIZATION back to the OE Jul 25 22:58:33 default (it should probably be tuned, but the setting which is selected Jul 25 22:58:33 for openslug and seems to be best for NSLU2 causes the unslung glibc to Jul 25 22:58:33 fail to build). Jul 25 23:01:55 the bitbake freeze stuff is just what I need -- has anyone access to the berlios svn? Jul 25 23:02:11 I get refused connections.. Jul 25 23:08:27 All the freeze stuff does is work out what bbfiles correspond to whatever you have built in tmp/work - we just need it now because of the SVN problem which prevents the existing NSLU2 mechanism working... Jul 25 23:22:15 jbowler-away: saves me a lot of time of parsing - how can I get access to the bitbake code_ Jul 25 23:22:27 s/_/?/ Jul 25 23:23:56 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rb1561c86... 10/conf/distro/unslung-packages.conf: Add the kernel directory into the list. Jul 25 23:23:59 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rc4526680... 10/conf/distro/unslung-packages.conf: Add mtd packages back in. Jul 25 23:25:06 koobla: include conf/distro/freeze.conf in local.conf Jul 25 23:25:25 ah :) thanks! Jul 25 23:49:13 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rc77cab88... 10/packages/freeze/ (files/unfreeze unfreeze.bb): Make unfreeze reveal all the packages. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 25 23:59:56 2005