**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 25 23:59:56 2005 Jul 26 00:04:24 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r666070b0... 10/packages/fbui/fbui-utils_0.9.14b.bb: fixed SRC_URI for fbui Jul 26 00:05:26 morning people? Jul 26 00:05:31 whats up? Jul 26 00:14:50 hi all ! Jul 26 00:18:34 morning Jul 26 00:19:38 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rde7fee81... 10/packages/freeze/freeze.bb: Jul 26 00:19:38 PKGDIR must be defined in the environment for the correct operation of the Jul 26 00:19:38 freeze script Jul 26 00:29:10 pdaxrom guys have been able to compile znester, and someone released a patch to sources. (http://www.loosehacker.com/lhacker/znester.html). i don't really understand how to write a bb file, so here comes 2 questions : 1) is a patch for pdaxrom compilator useful for OE compiation (ie : does the patch depend on the target machine or on the compilator ? ) 2) Is someone interested in compiling this prog ? (minor question) Jul 26 00:33:08 morning Jul 26 00:33:13 yop Jul 26 00:41:05 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r80f30ae2... 10/packages/regex-markup/ (3 files in 2 dirs): updated regex-markup to 0.10.0 as 0.9.0 is not fetchable Jul 26 00:41:05 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * radcc32d4... 10/packages/fbui/ (fbui-utils_0.9.14b.bb fbui-utils_0.9.14c.bb): oops.. upstream link to source was named 0.9.14b but it was to archive with 0.9.14c Jul 26 00:49:37 o.. berlios have subversion working again Jul 26 00:55:28 morning Jul 26 00:58:35 hi XorA Jul 26 01:00:41 hrw|work: hi, did you try 2.6.13-rc3-mm1? Jul 26 01:00:43 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r947aac56... 10/packages/etherpuppet/ (etherpuppet_0.1.bb etherpuppet_0.2.bb): Jul 26 01:00:43 updated etherpuppet to 0.2 Jul 26 01:00:43 if someone want to update it then first need to REMOVE etherpuppet.c from DL_DIR Jul 26 01:00:43 as upstream does not use versioned downloads Jul 26 01:01:07 XorA: not yet Jul 26 01:02:11 morning all Jul 26 01:02:19 hrw|work: seems hostap_crypt doesnt work with it :-( Jul 26 01:06:06 ah. Jul 26 01:10:50 bleh first task of day, downgrade me kernel :-) Jul 26 01:15:59 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8f3452ba... 10/packages/putty/ (putty_cvs.bb putty_svn.bb): putty switched to Subversion some time ago Jul 26 01:16:23 XorA: too eager ? Jul 26 01:17:41 ade|desk: a little :-) Jul 26 01:17:46 morning all Jul 26 01:18:31 hi RP Jul 26 01:19:05 XorA: It doesn't work in what way? Jul 26 01:19:34 RP: hostap_crypt_wep doesnt load automatically, the card doesnt initialise Jul 26 01:19:51 RP: iwconfig doesnt even see the card Jul 26 01:20:36 Hmm. Some of the new pcmcia changes causing issues? Jul 26 01:21:07 XorA: pcmcia-cs or pcmciautils? Jul 26 01:21:10 RP: no idea, the basic hostap module loads Jul 26 01:21:42 RP: gets a dmesg "hostap_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'" Jul 26 01:22:46 hrw|work: probably pcmcia-cs Jul 26 01:23:07 XorA: cardctl working? Jul 26 01:23:33 hrw|work: yes Jul 26 01:23:46 hrw|work: ident and status both the same as 2.6.12-blah Jul 26 01:24:16 hostap 0.3.9 is out. I wonder if that would help us? Jul 26 01:24:48 XorA: pcmcia-cs contain cardctl, pcmciautils has pccardctl Jul 26 01:24:54 RP: look into changelog Jul 26 01:26:07 * CoreDump|home yawns Jul 26 01:26:12 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ree1920b2... 10/packages/gkrellm/ (gkrellm_2.2.1.bb gkrellm_2.2.7.bb): updated gkrellm to 2.2.7 Jul 26 01:26:56 Nothing obvious in there... Jul 26 01:30:44 ah wait, I may just be being a moron Jul 26 01:34:43 ah, managed to have finger problems upgrading hostap_cs, now Ive done that hostap oopses Jul 26 01:35:01 Much more interesting :) Jul 26 01:35:23 How could it be loading it before though? Jul 26 01:35:49 RP: it was loading hostap , now it loads hostap_cs and hostap Jul 26 01:42:21 XorA: Any clues from the opps as to what's wrong? Jul 26 01:45:03 RP: none that I recognise, just rebooted the Z and the oops doesnt occur, but there is an error message, I have to go to meeting, Ill paste it in when I get back Jul 26 01:49:53 XorA: ok, thanks Jul 26 01:50:22 * XorA dances about the channel as the CTO has finally quit Jul 26 01:50:49 That sounds like good news :) Jul 26 01:51:03 pcmcia: hostap_cs does misses a callback function<7>hostap_cs: setting Vcc=33 (constant) Jul 26 01:51:57 RP: he was one of those CTO's has heard the words, linux, free and open but doesnt actually know at what points to insert them in sentences Jul 26 01:52:53 XorA: Never good... Jul 26 01:57:40 RP: hostap 3.9 compiles if you just copy 3.7.bb Jul 26 01:58:14 ~seen br1 Jul 26 01:58:14 br1 <~br1@pD9E77FCC.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 77d 17h 6m 32s ago, saying: 'when do i have to use "export VARIABLE = " in .bb files?'. Jul 26 01:59:36 That warning is because hostap has no event hook :-/ Jul 26 02:00:23 Its only a warning though... Jul 26 02:06:30 ERROR: Nothing provides gpe-helpviewer-gpe-helpviewer-doc Jul 26 02:06:30 ERROR: dependency gpe-helpviewer-gpe-helpviewer-doc (for gpe-helpviewer) not satisfied Jul 26 02:06:33 NOTE: no buildable providers for gpe-helpviewer Jul 26 02:07:44 hrw|work: could you please send me linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb to oe@hentges.net? Jul 26 02:08:19 sent Jul 26 02:09:01 thx :) Jul 26 02:11:34 so it's a problem w/ my db Jul 26 02:13:10 good thing that http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 is up to date Jul 26 02:13:36 :) Jul 26 02:15:50 at least I have now discovered the wonders of "mt diff". Let's hope this stops me pushing garbage upstream :\ Jul 26 02:16:34 "fetch *" in interactive bitbake can take lot of time before start working Jul 26 02:16:47 s/working/fetching Jul 26 02:26:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4356f54f... 10/packages/gpe-helpviewer/gpe-helpviewer_1.0.bb: remove a wrong dependecy from gpe-helpviewer Jul 26 02:52:18 BB>> setvar BBMASK "(nylon-scripts|xscreensaver)" Jul 26 02:52:25 what is wrong with that regexp? Jul 26 02:52:57 hi zecke__ Jul 26 02:53:14 hey Jul 26 02:53:19 mithro: hey Jul 26 02:53:55 zecke: BB>> setvar BBMASK "(nylon-scripts|xscreensaver)" crash bitbake interactive Jul 26 02:54:09 crashes? crash as in segfault? wow Jul 26 02:54:33 what was the command to export / import mt keys? Jul 26 02:54:34 hail zecke Jul 26 02:54:41 CoreDump|home: read CoreDump|home: read to import Jul 26 02:54:55 CoreDump|home: export_privkey or similiar to export Jul 26 02:55:34 zecke: http://pastebin.ca/18523 Jul 26 02:56:39 ~lart monotone Jul 26 02:56:39 * ibot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats monotone until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with Jul 26 02:58:33 moin zecke Jul 26 02:58:52 the info page is retarded Jul 26 02:59:11 monotone {pub,priv}key id@id.org Jul 26 02:59:54 ~seen cosmicpenguin Jul 26 02:59:55 cosmicpenguin is currently on #oe (19h 49m 41s) #elinux (19h 49m 41s). Has said a total of 244 messages. Is idling for 10h 44m 22s Jul 26 03:00:08 CosmicPenguin: xscreensaver needs update Jul 26 03:00:44 hrw|work: need newer porn? Jul 26 03:01:15 koen: thanks! Jul 26 03:01:34 hrw|work: http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2005/06/msg00067.html Jul 26 03:01:50 hrw|work: is that | piping rather than being used as an 'or' Jul 26 03:02:40 koen: 4.16 is not fetchable Jul 26 03:03:49 ade|desk: I used syntax from local.conf Jul 26 03:04:10 BB>> getvar BBMASK Jul 26 03:04:11 (nylon-scripts|xscreensaver) Jul 26 03:04:20 works ok when in local.conf Jul 26 03:04:43 does it work with straight quotes ? Jul 26 03:04:46 like ''? Jul 26 03:05:16 no Jul 26 03:05:19 same problem Jul 26 03:05:48 and without quotes? Jul 26 03:06:39 BB>> setvar BBMASK (nylon|sth2) Jul 26 03:06:39 /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `)' Jul 26 03:06:40 /bin/sh: -c: line 0: `sth2)' Jul 26 03:07:03 CoreDump|home: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=156970&cid=13160945 Jul 26 03:08:07 :D Jul 26 03:08:48 CoreDump|home: perfect testionial Jul 26 03:10:22 :) Jul 26 03:11:15 in theory (har har) I've just pushed a single cset upstream Jul 26 03:11:28 bad thing is: there's no way to know if it really made it Jul 26 03:11:41 CoreDump|home: viewmtn? Jul 26 03:11:51 * CoreDump|home checks Jul 26 03:12:23 ah nice! Jul 26 03:12:24 and the 'revs out' in the sync Jul 26 03:21:35 who use misc-binary-only/tda1004x-firmware.bb? Jul 26 03:22:04 me Jul 26 03:22:30 pb_: its not fetchable in 216 version. 218c is available Jul 26 03:22:41 ah Jul 26 03:22:48 I can push change Jul 26 03:22:50 please go ahead and update it Jul 26 03:22:53 ok Jul 26 03:23:01 hrw|work: running bittest? Jul 26 03:23:08 koen: bitbake -i;fetch * Jul 26 03:23:58 pb_: what about rename to tda1004x-firmware_218c.bb? Jul 26 03:24:28 sure, if you like Jul 26 03:24:50 pb_: it looks better for me Jul 26 03:25:34 well, the "216" or "218c" is not actually the version number of the firmware, so it's a bit misleading. Jul 26 03:26:04 ok - so I will just bump PR Jul 26 03:26:17 personally I would just fix the SRC_URI, and not change PV or PR Jul 26 03:26:38 as you wish Jul 26 03:26:38 :) Jul 26 03:27:41 :-) Jul 26 03:29:30 pb_: paths are changed - do_install failed Jul 26 03:29:36 doh Jul 26 03:30:00 no - it's lack of unzip here ;) Jul 26 03:30:33 I bitbake -b it.. Jul 26 03:30:44 NOTE: package tda1004x-firmware-1.0-r0: task do_build: completed Jul 26 03:32:24 oh, heh Jul 26 03:36:16 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r5b8db54f... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb: pxa27x kernel: Remove jffs from CMDLINE_ROOT as it doesn't do anything. Jul 26 03:37:10 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r5b8db54f... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb: pxa27x kernel: Remove jffs from CMDLINE_ROOT as it doesn't do anything. Jul 26 03:38:54 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r5b8db54f... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb: pxa27x kernel: Remove jffs from CMDLINE_ROOT as it doesn't do anything. Jul 26 03:39:00 sigh Jul 26 03:39:24 FYI: I synced this only once... Jul 26 03:39:48 checking out hh kernels take time.. Jul 26 03:40:33 CoreDump|home: it's three times the same revisions, so cia might have bugs Jul 26 03:47:39 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r5b8db54f... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb: pxa27x kernel: Remove jffs from CMDLINE_ROOT as it doesn't do anything. Jul 26 03:48:08 * XorA hides from CoreDump|home destroyer of SCM's Jul 26 03:48:18 * CoreDump|home sighs Jul 26 03:48:57 I think cia is a bit ill Jul 26 03:49:13 must've been chatting with berlios ;) Jul 26 03:49:20 CoreDump|home: as least you'll get No 1 author status :-) Jul 26 03:49:29 hehe Jul 26 03:50:03 * CoreDump|home did 2 more commits beside this one. Smells like fun :D Jul 26 04:13:22 hi Jul 26 04:15:00 hi Dirk Jul 26 04:16:13 hi hrw|work Jul 26 04:26:27 * koen wishes monotone was a bit more restrictive Jul 26 04:28:31 in which way? Jul 26 04:28:55 forcing a more linear commit tree Jul 26 04:29:18 i.e force update before commit like bk did Jul 26 04:29:35 yep. Jul 26 04:30:07 I'm just complaining because running meld over remote X on this cable connection is slow Jul 26 04:30:09 "mtpull;monotone commit file --message "something";mtpull;monotone sync" is looong (mtpull = monotone pull/merge/update) Jul 26 04:54:21 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r5b8db54f... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb: pxa27x kernel: Remove jffs from CMDLINE_ROOT as it doesn't do anything. Jul 26 04:54:25 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r1dc66650... 10/packages/prboom/ (files/prboom.sh prboom-opie_2.2.6.bb): prboom-opie: Add screen-size workaround for Poodle Jul 26 04:54:29 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r5e069de8... 10/packages/misc-binary-only/tda1004x-firmware.bb: fixed SRC_URI for tda1004x-firmware Jul 26 04:54:33 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rbebf3d3b... 10/packages/altboot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): altboot: Update to latest version with Akita support. Jul 26 04:54:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r096ab2e7... 10/packages/gpe-helpviewer/gpe-helpviewer_1.0.bb: add new .bb or gpe-helpviewer Jul 26 04:54:41 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rbe7468cc... 10/packages/lmbench/lmbench_2.0.4.bb: fixed SRC_URI for lmbench Jul 26 05:10:07 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r7674b5ce... 10/packages/linux/openslug-kernel-2.6.12.2/defconfig: Added AUDIO and IPV6 modules to the OpenSlug kernel Jul 26 05:10:11 03daka 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r7f183da4... 10/packages/coreutils/coreutils_5.1.3.bb: coreutils hostname doesn't support -F, put at lower priority so the working one (busybox) gets linked instead Jul 26 05:40:22 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r90fd17f3... 10/packages/sparse/sparse_snapshot.bb: fixed SRC_URI for sparse Jul 26 05:46:07 ~lart cosmicpenguin for using us.xfce.org Jul 26 05:46:08 * ibot whips cosmicpenguin with a wet and grimy noodle just because for using us.xfce.org Jul 26 05:53:38 http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/ list live again Jul 26 05:53:49 s/list/archive/ Jul 26 06:21:52 ibot: help botmail Jul 26 06:25:45 hrw|work: interesting backtrace Jul 26 06:26:17 zecke__: yep Jul 26 06:30:46 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rb4d71db9... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added openobex apps to openslug-packages Jul 26 06:30:50 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rcd3e906a... 10/conf/distro/openslug-packages.conf: Added the openobex packages to openslug-packages.conf (symlinks) Jul 26 06:45:13 03zecke123 * r293 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: Jul 26 06:45:13 bitbake/bin/bitbake: Jul 26 06:45:13 -Inject a BUILDSTART variable into each parsed file Jul 26 06:45:17 proti: ping Jul 26 06:47:21 zecke__: working on tinderbox? Jul 26 06:47:44 koen: no I'm supposed to merge patches Jul 26 06:48:10 but I've the feeling we will have a HTTP post method in tinderclient soon Jul 26 06:48:15 cool Jul 26 06:48:37 with python it is only three lines of code... Jul 26 06:48:50 with perl 30 lines? Jul 26 06:49:21 tinderbox will receive http posts automatically now Jul 26 06:49:38 koen: next thing is to have a RSS feed for tinderbox Jul 26 06:50:01 maybe I can talk mithro tonight into tinderbox hacking Jul 26 06:50:07 mithro: hey?! Jul 26 06:50:31 hmm I wonder if he left the laptop on... Jul 26 06:50:45 http://pastebin.ca/18528 if someone interested in OE bugs Jul 26 06:51:27 heh Jul 26 06:51:29 evas strikes again Jul 26 06:51:55 edje needs to depends on virtual/evas Jul 26 06:52:22 since we split evas in two: one for fb and one for X Jul 26 06:53:59 and (I guess) jikes-native should provide java-native Jul 26 06:54:20 and the preferred_provider things aren't really bugs Jul 26 06:54:47 koen: I know but listed them just to get them Jul 26 07:31:33 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rc3d40b72... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 07:31:33 openembedded/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 07:31:33 -Use the BUILDSTART as the starttime for the tinderbox. Jul 26 07:31:33 In every none malicious bbfile this variable should Jul 26 07:31:33 have the same time. Jul 26 07:31:37 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r70f7c6f7... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 07:31:37 openembedded/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 07:31:37 -s/base_/tinder_/ Jul 26 07:33:55 Ooh, BUILDSTART, I didn't know about that one (though I've looked for it). Useful. Jul 26 07:35:39 jbowler-zzz: it is neeeew but it does not yet play well with the cache Jul 26 07:35:48 jbowler-zzz: there is also BUILDNAME that includes a date Jul 26 07:48:01 http://rafb.net/paste/results/aDxOuj21.html Jul 26 07:48:04 whats wrong? Jul 26 07:48:17 BBPATH? Jul 26 07:48:27 your BBPATH in local.conf is incorrect Jul 26 07:48:28 univac_: BBFILES wrong Jul 26 07:48:34 or BBFILES Jul 26 07:50:15 export BBPATH=/stuff/build:/stuff/org.openembedded.dev :) Jul 26 07:51:58 heh.. I used "/stuff/" in doc as example and maaany users use it ;) Jul 26 07:52:16 next time I'll use /umba/umba/ or /bum/cyk/cyk/ Jul 26 07:52:26 ls /stuff/ Jul 26 07:52:28 ups Jul 26 07:52:43 build openembedded sources oe.db org.openembedded.dev tmp Jul 26 07:53:33 my local.conf Jul 26 07:53:35 http://rafb.net/paste/results/tF3eDY55.html Jul 26 07:54:37 univac_: read it carefully Jul 26 07:55:03 :) Jul 26 07:55:27 # Delete the line below. Then specify which .bb files to consider for Jul 26 07:55:27 # your build. Typically this will be something like BBFILES = "/path/to/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb" Jul 26 07:55:30 BBFILES := "${@bb.fatal('Edit your conf/local.conf: BBFILES')}" Jul 26 07:56:04 ah, i know Jul 26 07:56:04 zecke__: shouldn't bb error out instead of saying it parsed 0 files? Jul 26 07:56:06 thanks Jul 26 07:57:38 koen: why should it? Jul 26 07:57:40 jbowler-zzz: /home/slug on nudi is now set up for tinderbox Jul 26 07:57:50 koen: if you ask it to do nothing... it will do nothing Jul 26 07:58:35 mithro: do you remember which GPS SDIO cards we were looking at the other day? Jul 26 07:58:49 zecke__: bb.fatal sounds dangerous enough to me Jul 26 07:59:15 koen: oh well, it should fail Jul 26 08:06:52 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r30639dde... 10/packages/t1lib/t1lib_5.0.2.bb: t1lib: changed SRC_URI to Debian mirrors (it is in 'stable' so will be fetchable for years Jul 26 08:06:55 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r2397852a... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 08:06:55 openembedded/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 08:06:55 -Prepare the way for HTTP post Jul 26 08:06:59 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r77ba9cf5... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 08:06:59 openembedded/tinderclient/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 08:06:59 -event.data -> data in tinder_send_email Jul 26 08:06:59 -implement HTTP post (untested) Jul 26 08:07:00 set TINDER_SENDLOG to 'http' Jul 26 08:07:02 set TINDER_HOST to ewi....nl Jul 26 08:07:04 set TINDER_URL to /OE_qa/cgi-bin/process_builds.cgi Jul 26 08:08:36 zecke: to became tinderclient my machine need to have some ports open/available? Jul 26 08:09:51 hrw|work: port 80 outgoing Jul 26 08:10:07 hrw|work: and cvs, svn ports as well (to get the code) Jul 26 08:10:12 sure Jul 26 08:10:40 nothing need to be open on my to be connected from outside Jul 26 08:16:16 hrw|work: right you can just contribute your logs Jul 26 08:18:02 hrw|work: only requirement is to always build the same configuration Jul 26 08:29:16 hrw|work: nice you're going to build :) Jul 26 10:14:03 hi, can somebody tell me how the UID of an addresbook entry is generated ? Jul 26 10:15:07 does OE have an addressbook? Jul 26 10:15:27 not that I've seen Jul 26 10:15:52 might be a new task Jul 26 10:16:11 no but i thought that somebody maybe knew the answer because the guys from #opie just didn't reply Jul 26 10:16:22 yeah, I'm still waiting for kergoth to make the fetcher deliver pizza's Jul 26 10:16:37 * treke recommends checking the opie source Jul 26 10:16:42 youre very funny Jul 26 10:16:46 what's opie? Jul 26 10:17:32 is that at http://www.opiegonebad.com/ ? Jul 26 10:17:58 you may think it's funny, but it's the most logical answer to the question Jul 26 10:18:38 treke: i know and i already try understanding it, but that sourcecode is big so it needs time and i just thought that somebody might already know the answer ... Jul 26 10:19:22 but thanks anyway and keep up the good work with OE Jul 26 10:19:56 treke, koen: what is the intended difference in use between 'site.conf' and 'auto.conf'? Jul 26 10:20:18 site is for your site config, which doesn't change Jul 26 10:20:29 and auto.conf is for stuff you change Jul 26 10:20:50 for i in h3600 h3900 ipaq-pxa-2.6 openzaurus-pxa-2.6 simpad collie corgi poodle ; do Jul 26 10:20:50 echo "MACHINE = \"$i\"" > conf/auto.conf Jul 26 10:20:51 echo "bitbaking $i" Jul 26 10:20:56 like that Jul 26 10:21:42 So stuff for the NSLU2 build system which defines the directories would go in 'site.conf' Jul 26 10:21:50 (yes, I know those are old machines) Jul 26 10:22:00 jbowler-away: that's the idea Jul 26 10:22:30 in practice, it doesn't particularly matter Jul 26 10:22:31 but there isn't a clear rule for those files Jul 26 10:22:37 And stuff for our 'standard' build (like extra RDEPENDS) which we currently have in local.conf could go in auto.conf. Jul 26 10:22:43 it's just there to make things a bit simpler to set up the way you want Jul 26 10:23:04 ... I want to make it so that 'local.conf' can be changed per-user by getting our standard stuff somewhere else. Jul 26 10:23:37 that belong in a DISTRO then Jul 26 10:25:34 MACHINE= and DISTRO= are currently in local.conf. Jul 26 10:25:50 I've just made a perl 5.8.7 bb that atleast works on openslug, but I dont know about others. Not that many changes from 5.8.4 thats in there right now. how should I go about getting it into oe? just commit, or should someone look at it first? Jul 26 10:25:54 The user should not be changing them... Jul 26 10:27:09 DaKa2: I think you should raise the granularity point on the mailinglist, or file it as an enhancement req in OE bugzilla Jul 26 10:27:47 hm, yes, but thats a seccond issue, right now the package does the same as the old one Jul 26 10:28:14 was thinking about just getting something working for nslu in there Jul 26 10:28:18 I wonder when perl will break the 1k packages Jul 26 10:30:38 but, should I just commit, or is there someone that should look at it? there is no maintainer set in the 5.8.4 package Jul 26 10:32:30 check it in, I'm sure someone will speak up if it breaks his/hers config Jul 26 10:33:31 hehe, ok :-) should I set myself as maintainer for perl 5.8.7, or leave blank? Jul 26 10:33:56 please set yourself as maintainer Jul 26 10:34:03 ok :) Jul 26 11:18:23 03daka 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rf1fa524b... 10/packages/perl/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Update perl to 5.8.7, modified armeb patch to work for OpenSlug Jul 26 11:41:05 if I deleted a file why isn't monotone update restoring it? Jul 26 11:43:24 I guess you have explicitly co it Jul 26 11:43:40 since you can run monotone list missing | xargs monotone drop Jul 26 11:46:16 zecke_: I noticed you pushed the http change, is it safe to run it yet? Jul 26 11:47:04 zecke_: "monotone list missing | xargs monotone co" perhaps? Jul 26 11:47:05 koen|tv: I'm about to try it Jul 26 11:47:19 JustinP: will try next time ;) Jul 26 11:47:23 JustinP: rm -rf helped as well Jul 26 11:51:48 Ciao all Jul 26 11:54:00 for those interessed, here the result of the yesterday's pull ( after a week without pulling ) on my p1200 1gig ram Jul 26 11:54:14 time monotone -db ... : 10692.429u 84.654s 3:49:29.00 78.2% 0+0k 0+0io 5pf+0w Jul 26 11:56:52 koen|tv: it is broken Jul 26 12:01:25 hmmm Jul 26 12:01:40 sounds bad Jul 26 12:23:21 Got a problem building that -k doesn't seem to work around, anyone up to trying to help me sort out what might be broken on my setup or tell me what I've missed? Jul 26 12:25:10 well if you paste the error someone may be more willing to help Jul 26 12:25:24 asking for help is not generally very productive Jul 26 12:25:40 Uhm... NOT going to do *THAT* particular thing again... Jul 26 12:26:01 http://www.advogato.org/article/849.html#lastread Jul 26 12:26:34 I will not get into a pissing match with people here. Not productive. I want to help, but I need to get past the hump I'm encountering here. Jul 26 12:27:41 Since I got attacked the LAST time I attempted that, I'm going to go about this a little differently. Asking like I have just now to start off with. Jul 26 12:28:12 ? Jul 26 12:28:42 normally the only time anyone gets mad is if its a distro specific question Jul 26 12:28:46 ~pastebin Jul 26 12:28:46 methinks pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca Jul 26 12:29:11 And it was far more then 12 lines Jul 26 12:29:27 * Svartalf suggests putting that in the Wiki- and it was only 12 lines, I'd counted it. Jul 26 12:29:53 not all clients break lines at the same length, but anyway what is the problem Jul 26 12:30:01 That's why I couldn't understand the pissing match. I don't want to fight, I want to help. Jul 26 12:30:12 no one will help if we dont know what the problem is Jul 26 12:30:42 generally the line taht says error is a good enough indication Jul 26 12:31:00 Seems to be barfing out on gmp-native and pcmcia-cs, won't do any of the images for an x86 client (I'm working with what I've got)- and there's not a lot of helpful output... Jul 26 12:31:13 sometimes the 4 lines before and after tell 90% of issues Jul 26 12:31:15 | make[1]: *** [cardctl] Aborted Jul 26 12:31:41 umm Jul 26 12:31:44 Didn't abort that I know of. Jul 26 12:31:55 has anyone yet made a usable x86 build? Jul 26 12:32:03 emte: all the time - why? Jul 26 12:32:07 * Svartalf sighs... Jul 26 12:32:12 just curious Jul 26 12:32:13 Story of my life... :-) Jul 26 12:32:58 koen|tv: it does not work Jul 26 12:33:32 i am curious, do you need pcmcia support for your x86 device? Jul 26 12:34:57 Not really. It's an EPIA based board for the starting machine, followed by a Allwell machine for now. Trying to gear up for ui devices for some industrial control and security devices- as well as a way to accomplish a decent embedded distribution for all the devices. Jul 26 12:35:13 * mithro watches zecke work on tinder box Jul 26 12:36:14 * Pigi needs to sleep. Jul 26 12:36:15 Hmm - Aborted could possibly be an OOM issue - its been a while since we've seen those Jul 26 12:36:17 Svartalf, well you could remove pcmcia support then otherwise my guess is that your missing a dependancy, wich is a normal reason why a build will abort Jul 26 12:36:20 Ciao all Jul 26 12:36:46 BB doesnt really track dependancies very well Jul 26 12:36:53 que? Jul 26 12:37:00 that's what it's designed for Jul 26 12:37:18 the problem is that *people* screw up with depends Jul 26 12:37:24 yeah but it depends on the developers to provide them in the bb file Jul 26 12:37:26 like the edje .bb Jul 26 12:37:30 yeah Jul 26 12:37:50 Hm... Guess I need to look at the bitbake files then, see what dependencies are for this stuff. It's dying on gmp, pcmcia, and I think perl based on my most recent cursory reading of my most recent attempt. Jul 26 12:37:56 i'd be supprised if any e17 stuff builds currently Jul 26 12:38:14 the cvs has changed quite dramatically Jul 26 12:38:15 Svartalf: seriously - check to see if you are low on memory - Make will abort if its process gets killed Jul 26 12:38:24 512Mb? Jul 26 12:38:39 This needs more like a Gig? Jul 26 12:38:42 Ouch. Jul 26 12:38:42 512 is pretty low ... Jul 26 12:38:49 You're kidding me... Jul 26 12:38:59 python is a memory pig Jul 26 12:39:12 perl is a very well behaved .bb, pcmcia is pretty well behaved, but gmp might be trouble Jul 26 12:39:18 * Svartalf sighs... Guess it's time to go get more memory... Jul 26 12:39:37 the cow was integrated into bb was it not? Jul 26 12:39:44 a long long time ago Jul 26 12:39:54 Yeah, I've read on the gmp site they have issues with later on compilers. I've tried to jigger things so it'd use the earlier GCC included with FC3. Jul 26 12:40:01 in a galaxy far far away Jul 26 12:40:23 actually Svartalf there is one other thing you could tray since your building for x86 Jul 26 12:40:30 you could use tcc instead of gcc Jul 26 12:40:39 faster and lighter compiler Jul 26 12:40:46 try* Jul 26 12:40:51 tcc? Jul 26 12:40:58 tiny c compiler Jul 26 12:41:02 Ah... Jul 26 12:41:05 sec i'll grab you a link Jul 26 12:41:11 * Svartalf has an ephiany there... Jul 26 12:41:52 http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc/ Jul 26 12:42:17 that might help bring your overhead down a little bit Jul 26 12:42:58 TinyCC is about 9 times faster than GCC. Jul 26 12:43:41 unfort it does not have full cross-compile support yet :( Jul 26 12:43:50 for other platforms Jul 26 12:44:20 Per compile failure-> http://pastebin.ca/18555 Jul 26 12:44:43 er, /s/Per/Perl Jul 26 12:45:36 Hi everyone, just a quick question. I'm building task-bootstrap for epia. Builds fine with glibc, but I need a uClibc :) I specified TARGET_OS = "linux-uclibc" in local.conf, but no luck. After several hours rebuilding still glibc. Maybe some hints, where to look ? Jul 26 12:45:57 Thanks, emte. Jul 26 12:46:03 Svartalf, perl failing is a very bad sign ... Jul 26 12:46:11 I know. That' Jul 26 12:46:17 perl-native failing? Jul 26 12:46:22 its probably the messiest package in OE Jul 26 12:46:27 That's why I'm scratching my head going wtf? Jul 26 12:46:31 Svartalf: what distro? Jul 26 12:46:38 Svartalf: and what platform are you compiling on? Jul 26 12:46:38 FC3, latest updates. Jul 26 12:46:58 32 bit or 64 bit? Jul 26 12:47:06 P4 or Athlon XP- today's machine is a P4 WITH 1Gb. Jul 26 12:47:30 I'm doing this from work with two channel bonded T3's worth of bandwidth behind it. Jul 26 12:48:09 # Jul 26 12:48:10 | pp_sys.c: In function `Perl_pp_shostent': Jul 26 12:48:10 # Jul 26 12:48:10 | pp_sys.c:5054: warning: implicit declaration of function `sethostent_r' Jul 26 12:48:10 # Jul 26 12:48:10 | pp_sys.c:5054: error: structure has no member named `_hostent_data' Jul 26 12:49:05 anyone recognise that function? Jul 26 12:49:24 Yeah, it would be a recursiant save hostent Jul 26 12:49:54 s/save/safe/ Jul 26 12:50:17 s/recrusiant/reentrant/ Jul 26 12:50:17 seesh Jul 26 12:50:24 ~lart me Jul 26 12:50:24 * ibot DoSes cosmicpenguin Jul 26 12:50:54 CosmicPenguin, ROFL... Jul 26 12:51:32 mithro: did zecke manage to scare you enough to work on the tinderbox? Jul 26 12:51:41 lazy_marmot, you tossed your whole temp before you recompiled right? Jul 26 12:52:16 emte: Did it. Jul 26 12:52:50 lazy_marmot, then check your machine/distro to see if it specifies to not use uclibc Jul 26 12:54:02 hmm anyone ever try sdcc? Jul 26 12:54:15 emte: I feel like I have to add some PREFFERED_PROVIDERS, or change existing, but don't understand structure yet. I'm building "generic" distro and machine don't reqiure it. Jul 26 12:55:35 * Svartalf didn't know about sdcc, he knew about tcc, though- it's why he's having an epiphany with regard to attempting that one. Jul 26 12:55:58 nah sdcc is somthing for me Jul 26 12:56:04 * Svartalf nods... Jul 26 12:56:08 working with the PIC18Fs Jul 26 12:56:08 Svartalf: will your pastebin the config.h from your perl build? Jul 26 12:56:26 Still curious about it- needing something like it too. Jul 26 12:56:40 CosmicPenguin, the one from the temp dir? Jul 26 12:57:04 tmp/work/perl-native-5.8.4-r0/perl-5.8.4/config.h Jul 26 12:57:08 lazy_marmot, i normally what you have done "should" switch from glibc to uclibc Jul 26 12:58:12 there are a couple devices i belive that that uclibc will not build for ... Jul 26 12:58:50 koen: kinda Jul 26 12:58:56 i'm looking over his sholder Jul 26 12:59:17 lazy_marmot, you should ask someone who is currently working with the epia boards Jul 26 12:59:29 Arrgh... It's too big for the pastebin site to accept... Jul 26 12:59:36 Hold on a sec... Jul 26 12:59:43 seems to be a popular device that last two weeks ... someone have a sale on em? Jul 26 13:00:02 That ok - just find the SETHOSETENT lines Jul 26 13:00:14 Okie... Jul 26 13:00:18 SETHOSTENT Jul 26 13:00:20 emte: that's why I'm asking here :) The only thing which troubles me is that machine require udev... Jul 26 13:00:46 ? Jul 26 13:01:01 how would the machine require udev? Jul 26 13:01:21 by setting BOOTSTRAP_RPEPENDS += "udev"? Jul 26 13:01:26 lol Jul 26 13:01:36 well i did bean physically Jul 26 13:01:39 mean* Jul 26 13:01:55 if you have a recent 2.6 kernel udev is almost mandatory Jul 26 13:02:16 #define HAS_SETHOSTENT /**/ Jul 26 13:02:16 #define HAS_SETHOSTENT_R /**/ Jul 26 13:02:16 #define SETHOSTENT_R_PROTO REENTRANT_PROTO_I_ID /**/ Jul 26 13:02:22 emte: thanks anyway folks ! I'll look to logs more carefully. Yeah, I meant BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS. Jul 26 13:02:23 yeah i know from a kernel standpoint, but from a device stand it shouldnt matter Jul 26 13:02:52 unless thats the only kernel that exists i suppose Jul 26 13:03:52 emte: I need udev anyway, it's not an option for me to run without, just thought may be it sounds familiar. NP, I'll find it anyway. Jul 26 13:09:05 time to write more asm ... Jul 26 13:09:30 comparator fun ... whee Jul 26 13:13:09 Svartalf: yeah, thats your problem Jul 26 13:13:21 I would suspect that a grep in /usr/include for sethostent_r would return nada Jul 26 13:18:19 I think we've found the cause of the problem there. Now on to correcting the same... :-) Jul 26 13:20:13 * Svartalf is wondering WHY that was not there... Shakes Head... Jul 26 13:21:05 Svartalf: well, the question now is why the config system is saying that you have SETHOSTENT_R, when you obviously don't Jul 26 13:21:19 That too. Jul 26 13:21:20 Unfortunately, thats a journey you must embark upon yourself Jul 26 13:21:48 No prob there, I just needed extra eyes to help me sort out the mess out of the noise. It's appreciated. Jul 26 13:22:05 My Gentoo system seems to be figuring things ok w.r.t SETHOSTENT_R - so I wonder if there some special FC sauce thats needed Jul 26 13:22:10 wouldn't be the 45th time Jul 26 13:22:12 Now, if only I could figure out the deal with gmp... Jul 26 13:22:43 * Svartalf nods on this... If it weren't for the fact that my day job kinda needs Red Hat/FC, I'd be using Gentoo or something else... :-) Jul 26 13:24:22 * Svartalf shakes his head... FC has "issues" with sethostent_r being found and has some patches for Perl... Jul 26 13:24:32 Why me? :-) Jul 26 13:24:47 Well, probably because nobody else has tried FC3 and OE yet Jul 26 13:24:55 FC/RH has some issues Jul 26 13:25:00 Ya think? Jul 26 13:25:08 normally most are cleaned up if you install the devel packages Jul 26 13:25:40 its stuff they removed to stop useres from screwing up the system Jul 26 13:25:44 users* Jul 26 13:26:08 There's some real nice things with FC, but... Doesn't surprise me about the nobody trying this with FC3. It's my lot in life to find all these little gotchas... >:-> Jul 26 13:26:51 Well, I'm wondering what devel package would be the one for the fix for this mess, or if I need to manually patch the work project accordingly. Jul 26 13:26:55 i tried once with FC2, and found too many issues so i switched to debian which is faster to setup as a workstation Jul 26 13:27:34 slack10 decided to not like my hardware Jul 26 13:35:03 A/D Result Format Select Bit .... you think that refers to big or little endian? Jul 26 13:35:19 since i have a chpice of left or right Jul 26 13:35:23 choice* Jul 26 13:37:38 hmm left seems to be the best choice Jul 26 13:39:02 * JustinP is developing very comfortably on 2 Gentoo systems. Painless. Jul 26 13:39:32 Since by default it's all from-source anyway it makes it much easier to do real development without having to add extra -dev packages. Jul 26 13:39:35 hi Jul 26 13:39:57 ~seen hrw|gone Jul 26 13:40:02 hrw|gone was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 1d 1h 57m 26s ago, saying: 'yes'. Jul 26 13:40:02 ~seen hrw|work Jul 26 13:40:02 hrw|work was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 5h 29m 22s ago, saying: 'nothing need to be open on my to be connected from outside'. Jul 26 13:41:09 * Svartalf needs to get a fatter pipe at home before seriously doing Gentoo. :-) Jul 26 13:42:00 today I bought Linux+ Extra (Polish paper magazine) with Debian 'sarge' on 2DVD (and 3DVD with extra stuff) Jul 26 13:48:15 argh!! Jul 26 13:48:31 damn stupid libtool / autoconf / makefiles / whatever scripts Jul 26 13:48:47 emacs isn't using a system path...it's *setting the path on the command-line*! Jul 26 13:49:16 "ccache arm-linux-gcc ... -L(sorrect path) /usr/lib/cr Jul 26 13:49:21 t1.o /usr/lib/crti.o ..." Jul 26 13:49:26 oops, should have been one line Jul 26 13:49:54 hrw, lol, it would have been faster to do a net install than buy the mag :P Jul 26 13:50:33 took ~ 20min total for this machine Jul 26 13:50:34 emte: from net I wont get full version of Pixel32 Jul 26 13:50:48 pixel32? Jul 26 13:50:54 gfx application Jul 26 13:51:02 http://pixel32.box.sk/ Jul 26 13:51:28 heh.. my dvd drive need replacement ;( Jul 26 13:51:48 hey ...!!! Jul 26 13:52:14 cmyk support, wonder if it has pantone support Jul 26 13:52:42 cannot tell - my dvd drive does not like that dvd.. Jul 26 13:52:44 emte: I removed glibc package and now bitbake said me: ERROR: Nothing provides virtual/i386-linux-libc-for-gcc. Hmmm.. some ideas ? Jul 26 13:53:16 no, you left Jul 26 13:53:23 lazy_marmot: what are you trying to do? rebuild glibc? Jul 26 13:54:06 i am pretty positive he has never gotten rid of his whole tmp before recompiling Jul 26 13:54:46 lazy_marmot: bitbake glibc -cclean Jul 26 13:54:48 looks/sounds like a cached bb error Jul 26 13:54:59 lazy_marmot: or rm tmp/stamps/glibc* Jul 26 13:56:38 I did delete tmp. I don't have any stamps/glibc* 100% sure. Jul 26 13:57:13 lazy_marmot: "removed glibc package"? Jul 26 13:57:21 * Svartalf sighs... Thinks he's found the Perl problem... FC3 needs must have bind-devel apparently... Jul 26 13:57:55 Why must Red Hat dink with some of these things- that should have been in netdb.h to begin with... Jul 26 13:58:18 Svartalf, to stop useres from screwing up the system Jul 26 13:58:21 (And don't get me started on their thing about ext3 or nothing at all..) Jul 26 13:58:23 users* Jul 26 13:58:37 ext3 has benifits Jul 26 13:58:55 the main one namly being you can resize partitions Jul 26 13:58:57 There's other ways to accomplish this- namely insist on them not logging into root and tell them it's their lookout if they fubar things if they do. Jul 26 13:59:30 Svartalf, how many windows users do you know that dont use the default admin account? Jul 26 13:59:32 kegoth: yep - I'm trying to build uclibc x86 system. Before it always tried to built it with glibc. So, to make sure that it doesn't, I just removed whole glibc from packages. Probably it wasn't smart enoght Jul 26 13:59:45 Yeah, but ext3 _isn't_ a journalling filesystem. Got a taste of that fun last night when my Smoothwall at home got bounced- it flunked a fsck... Jul 26 14:00:24 lazy_marmot: eh, that isnt the correct method. you need to set TARGET_OS to linux-uclibc. Jul 26 14:00:24 emte, Windows users vs. Linux users. Quit trying to make it Windows-like. Make it remotely familiar, but educate people about things that are different. Jul 26 14:00:30 lazy_marmot: it will continue to fail like that until you do. Jul 26 14:00:31 * koen|tv once got a corrupted journal with ext3 Jul 26 14:00:45 Not directed at you mind, just an overall opinion. :-) Jul 26 14:00:53 Svartalf, the comment was about general stupidity vs practical use Jul 26 14:01:11 Svartalf, it doesnt really matter what OS it is Jul 26 14:01:24 its an increasing trend unfortunatly Jul 26 14:02:17 actually if you were here last night you would have saw case-in point Jul 26 14:02:22 kegoth: this was the first thing I did - it didn't work. And yes, each time I removed tmp. Then I started to experiment. Jul 26 14:02:37 True... But the problem is, we need to staunch that trend- general purpose computers are NOT appliances. We're developing code and systems that are more that in this bunch, but Red Hat is making software for a GP tool. This is analogous to trying to dumb down a 747 to be drivable by a 7-year-old. Jul 26 14:02:41 lazy_marmot: then you're setting a DISTRO or MACHINE that's overriding TARGET_OS Jul 26 14:02:52 someone using root and thier primary user and setting up BB to run as root Jul 26 14:03:14 as* Jul 26 14:03:37 emte, Eeeew... That's a Darwin Award class oops. I know better than that. Jul 26 14:03:41 kegoth: I'll double check this. I'm building "generic" distro with x86 machine. task-bootstrap. Jul 26 14:04:13 Might as well be taking a chainsaw and doing a circumcision of yourself with it... >;-) Jul 26 14:04:36 Svartalf, yes, but this is the increasing trend with users Jul 26 14:05:20 The answer isn't dumbing things down. You don't see them dumbing down a ShopSmith or a metal lathe, do you? That's what this all is- those sorts of tools. Jul 26 14:05:27 and i hate to say it but the laws the USA pass/try to pass regarding security of your own systems do not help either Jul 26 14:05:51 Oh, and what was this user thinking? What was he/she trying to do that I'd be trying to dissuade them gently from doing? :-) Jul 26 14:05:54 lazy_marmot: check the generic.conf then Jul 26 14:06:52 kergoth, you get your resume sent off yet? Jul 26 14:08:19 kegoth: as usual you are right. Building once more. Sorry for bothering with such stupid question. Jul 26 14:08:48 emte, I'd agree with the concern about the US laws. My take would be that they need to worry about the infrastructure FIRST and then worry about the security of people's machines. There's some rather disturbing things going on that people just don't know about. It's why I've been hoping beyond hope (four years worth) that my main employer, Coollogic, will get their VC funding (Should know more by the end of this week- I can only hope...)- I ca Jul 26 14:08:48 n tell you things that would make most of those what-if suspense movies they did look like a walk in the park. Jul 26 14:09:16 lazy_marmot: np Jul 26 14:09:21 kergoth, you get your resume sent off yet? Jul 26 14:09:36 sent it off to a number of local companies. no bites yet :\ Jul 26 14:10:26 I have to do it too - time to change job Jul 26 14:10:31 its not the security of the machines its the "its not your fault you didnt do anything to prevent it so we will make it a criminal act taht someone crashed your computer because your too stupid to prevent it" Jul 26 14:10:52 kergoth, prob by the end of the week Jul 26 14:10:59 * kergoth nods Jul 26 14:11:02 its only tuesday Jul 26 14:11:29 hmm, http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/e/b/eb1b615258c9706ef2d8b4657328cfb2@activejobs0&c=1&source=1 might be worthwhile. looks easy. pay isnt nearly what i could be making in embedded, but at least itd be cash flowing Jul 26 14:11:42 No, it's a type of thinking. It's sticking the head in the sand and doing things to "look like they're doing something", rather than FIXING the real problems. Not a single thing they did in response to 9/11 would have prevented it, nor would it prevent a repeat. Jul 26 14:12:04 kergoth, where's "local" and what do you do typically? Jul 26 14:12:08 looks liek an easy job Jul 26 14:12:12 yep Jul 26 14:12:35 cash flow is good Jul 26 14:12:39 Svartalf: minnesota. normally do embedded linux work.. coding, tools, cm, etc. i founded bitbake, oe, and oz Jul 26 14:12:53 but i'm thinking about switching careers, so just need to get cash flow while i figure that out Jul 26 14:13:15 <_husam_> Hi everyone Jul 26 14:13:18 Ah... Coolness. Sorry to hear that the career thing isn't working out- burnout or lack of traction in work? Jul 26 14:13:24 ~lart CosmicPenguin for using us.xfce.org Jul 26 14:13:25 * ibot smacks CosmicPenguin up side the head with a clue-by-4 for using us.xfce.org Jul 26 14:13:32 hey! It used to work Jul 26 14:13:40 CosmicPenguin: maybe in US.. Jul 26 14:13:41 it would help if they didn't change mirrors every thirty seconds Jul 26 14:13:44 lost motivation, just wasnt happy in my last position at all, got me wondering if i should stay in the field Jul 26 14:13:44 lol Jul 26 14:13:47 Connecting to www.us.xfce.org|67.18.183.130|:80... failed: Connection timed out. Jul 26 14:13:57 kergoth: it looks pretty embedded to me Jul 26 14:14:13 or rather - linux "embedded" which isn't really embedded in the first place Jul 26 14:14:17 well, yeah, true, but at least itd be cash coming in Jul 26 14:14:18 * kergoth nods Jul 26 14:14:31 <_husam_> I built gpe image using oe ... but start having alots of core dump .... I'm porting linux to HP IPAQ 6300 and it's supporting OMAP1510 hardware Jul 26 14:14:43 kergoth, I can understand THAT one. The last four years were NOT good to me- and I sat there wondering what in the heck to do with my life. Thankfully, dayjob work came along that lets me stay in this field- for now, at least. Jul 26 14:15:14 I wonder what processor they are using Jul 26 14:15:35 CosmicPenguin, depends on your definition of "embedded". If you mean hardened OS, it is. If you mean real-time, rate monotonic scheduled, no, it's not. Jul 26 14:16:00 time to crunch a TACQo :P Jul 26 14:16:20 If you think we're playing with hardened oses here, then you've some disappointing news ahead of you Jul 26 14:16:45 hrw: yeah, it looks like they changed us.xfce.org to ca-us.xfce.org Jul 26 14:16:59 http://xfce.org/index.php?page=download&lang=en Jul 26 14:17:02 Pick one and go with it Jul 26 14:17:21 * Svartalf has been getting peppered with head-hunters looking to fill embedded Linux positions. Not leaving his current one though- took too long to get and it pays way more than the other stuff. Kergoth, send me an email address to linusti@gmail.com and I'll start flipping things your way... Jul 26 14:17:47 CosmicPenguin, depends on what all you do to it. I've made hardened Linux micro-distributions before... Jul 26 14:17:50 * emte wonders where i putmy calculator ... Jul 26 14:18:35 aha damn fairchild parts were keeping it hostage Jul 26 14:18:40 I'm just getting lazy in my old age and want something that can cobble together something a little smaller than something like Mandriva that can be put into a flash, tuned for hardness as needed and is packaged up instead of cobbled together. Jul 26 14:18:41 CosmicPenguin: I'm rather checking which sources are available Jul 26 14:19:16 hrw: yeah, xfce might be a little bit old right now - I haven't been using it lately, so its fallen into some disarray Jul 26 14:19:23 Svartalf: my main issue right now is that I'm not really in a position to relocate.. keeping expenses low by staying with my dad at the townhouse I own. good situation for someone not knowing what they want to do. while i dont generally get contacted by headhunters, I havent really had trouble finding positions when i'm willing to move. :\ Jul 26 14:19:32 Svartalf: so either need telecommute contracts, or just something local Jul 26 14:19:48 * kergoth is tempted to pull an office space and do construction, except that it might not even be enough cash to cover his car payment adn insurance :P Jul 26 14:20:02 get your mil clearance like i said :P Jul 26 14:20:07 heh, yeah Jul 26 14:20:33 work 6 mo and gop to school the rest of the year Jul 26 14:20:40 go* Jul 26 14:20:45 Understood. I think some of the stuff was local to your area and some of it was telecommute. Go ahead and send me an addy- I'll keep your requirements in mind. The last four years have etched in my mind how hard it can be for anyone- so I help as many as I can however I can. Jul 26 14:20:52 Svartalf: will do Jul 26 14:20:56 thanks Jul 26 14:21:03 No problem at all. Jul 26 14:22:15 heh, damnit. i've been screwing with my resume to make it more suitable for some of these positions i'm sending it to, but now it no longer fits on 2 pages :\ Jul 26 14:22:29 speaking of which, could use comments/criticisms -> http://kergoth.com/files/Career/resume.pdf Jul 26 14:22:43 zecke_, mithro : any luck on the tinderbuilds? Jul 26 14:22:59 kergoth: could you beat the topic into shape? Jul 26 14:23:10 * Svartalf is kind of scared of his full resume... Now into the 5 page range... >;-) Jul 26 14:23:17 Svartalf: egad :) Jul 26 14:23:37 17+ years in the industry. Jul 26 14:23:49 ah. Jul 26 14:24:05 svartalf: resume, or cv? Jul 26 14:24:14 anyone here have access to zaurususergroup.org? Jul 26 14:24:21 koen: want me to just unlock it? Jul 26 14:24:22 apparently someone hacked the front page Jul 26 14:24:24 Resume. CV would be more, I'm afraid... :-) Jul 26 14:24:29 heh Jul 26 14:24:33 kergoth: whatever works :) Jul 26 14:24:41 so if anyone knows how to contact the right people ... Jul 26 14:24:54 koen: zecke thinks we have fixed it Jul 26 14:25:01 subdue: try #openzaurus Jul 26 14:25:03 but i don't think we have yet :P Jul 26 14:25:10 Speaking of changing every 30 minutes Jul 26 14:25:13 ~lart gnu-config Jul 26 14:25:13 * ibot steals gnu-config's mojo Jul 26 14:25:14 koen: go ahead and change it Jul 26 14:25:17 I've done everything ranging from medical practice management systems to embedded systems doing financial and access control (Massively distributed ground transportation and parking tracking systems...) Jul 26 14:25:24 or #weshufflebinariesaroundandcallitROMSevenifitswritable Jul 26 14:25:28 koen: ok Jul 26 14:26:07 koen: working on it Jul 26 14:26:09 * Svartalf just got tickled at that last line from koen... Good grief... :-) Jul 26 14:26:14 koen: posting is about to work Jul 26 14:27:02 svartalf: what are you working on now? Jul 26 14:28:22 cu all - time to sleep Jul 26 14:28:48 kergoth: maybe use whole width or page in resume? Jul 26 14:29:16 * hrw write /topic umba umba Jul 26 14:29:17 Well, that depends on what hat I'm wearing right at the moment. Right now, I'm working on flipping 30Gb+ daily in real-time from the stock market. If you catch me with my Coollogic hat on, I'm trying to make things that secure the utility infrastructure and trying to get the funding in the door to be able to do THAT for a living again (they ran out of funds, and we've been trying to get VC in the door, legitimately...), if you catch me in the e Jul 26 14:29:17 venings, I'm porting games over to Linux- trying to sort out the last bug (a showstopper) for Ballistics. Jul 26 14:29:35 Svartalf: pocket pc games to linux? Jul 26 14:30:18 hmm .. anyone have a guess what Tamp might stand for regarding A?D Jul 26 14:30:22 Not that one yet, but it's something Michael has thought about from time to time. We do have one game that got ported over- Hyperspace Delivery Boy. That's an LGP title for Zaurus and Linux in general. Jul 26 14:30:30 seems microchip skipped that part Jul 26 14:31:01 nm Jul 26 14:31:06 amp settling time Jul 26 14:31:37 Well, so far, so good. Nothing's blown up- YET. Jul 26 14:31:37 tsk, settling time Jul 26 14:32:00 that is so 3 years ago Jul 26 14:32:06 lol Jul 26 14:32:30 i've never written A/D aquisition code before Jul 26 14:32:51 mithro: not quite :( Jul 26 14:33:08 re Jul 26 14:33:43 emte: i do that sort of thing all day Jul 26 14:34:13 high speed A/D and D/A along with infrastructure to keep all that well fed Jul 26 14:34:19 yeah? where do i find the amp they are talking about? Jul 26 14:34:50 * Svartalf wishes he knew if the VC was actually getting the servicing papers to us... Jul 26 14:34:54 i figure the first time is the hardest Jul 26 14:35:38 kergoth, please do let me have a contact email address, send anything to get me one at linusti@gmail.com. Jul 26 14:35:52 atleast all the LCD stuff is easy now :P Jul 26 14:36:00 and serial/IR Jul 26 14:36:12 emte: usually the datasheet tells you, Tamp doesn't come immediately to mind Jul 26 14:36:39 yeah i am not finding it anywhere besides this reference to it in the TACQ calculation Jul 26 14:37:18 they have an example with 2us Jul 26 14:37:32 think tahts a safe value? Jul 26 14:37:53 emte: doing pic code stuff? Jul 26 14:37:59 yeah Jul 26 14:38:14 embedded gardening system Jul 26 14:38:30 Svartalf: sent Jul 26 14:38:30 embedded gardening system? Jul 26 14:38:35 Thank you. :-) Jul 26 14:38:37 yup Jul 26 14:38:46 erm Jul 26 14:38:51 * kergoth fixes the typo he just noticed in his resume Jul 26 14:39:34 Isn't that always the case... Every time when I need for it to be out, I keep going, "How in the heck did that one slip past me?"... Jul 26 14:39:47 hehe Jul 26 14:40:31 okay gb2 i think i might have figured it out, there is a note about when using the external Vref that you need to use an op-amp to buffer the input Jul 26 14:41:07 so i am guessing Tamp refers to the time it takes for the op-amp Jul 26 14:41:23 hmmm.... I guess quilt .32 isn't going to cut it any more... Jul 26 14:41:23 heh Jul 26 14:41:39 AAARGH... gmp's still using the stock GCC from FC3 for the native version. Jul 26 14:42:08 gmp won't compile right for anything past GCC 3.3.x... Jul 26 14:43:02 emte: you understand how to use a PIC ADC? You tell the pic to go aquired the data, wait a period then read the value Jul 26 14:43:40 no sample and hold? Jul 26 14:44:27 both to mithro and koen Jul 26 14:44:41 koen: you still need to wait a period of time before the value is correct (generally untill what ever caps are charged) Jul 26 14:44:44 i am trying to figure the aquisition time calculation Jul 26 14:44:45 emte: ah, that makes sense Jul 26 14:46:14 i think an op-amp is a bit overkill for a temp sensor tho ... Jul 26 14:47:19 concidering it has two built in Jul 26 14:48:35 a 1uF cap should do the trick .. hmm lowest vout should give max charge time Jul 26 14:51:34 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rf5d3a909... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 14:51:34 classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 14:51:34 -Make the other part of this class work (finish the bb.data -> data. work) Jul 26 14:52:58 koen: ping Jul 26 14:53:03 pong Jul 26 14:53:13 koen: could you give me write access to cgi-bin/process_builds.cgi? Jul 26 14:53:21 tb2? Jul 26 14:54:50 zecke_: try now Jul 26 14:55:40 koen: still no go Jul 26 14:55:58 /data/tinderbox2/cgi-bin/process_builds.cgi Jul 26 14:57:18 ok, I've added you to the 'users' group, and did a+rw on that file Jul 26 14:58:07 thanks Jul 26 15:02:23 ok, popquiz: what's wrong with the following: Jul 26 15:02:24 Depends: libjpeg62 (>= 6b), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8), libz1 (>= 1.2.2), libsdl-x11 (>= 1.2.7), libqpe1 (>= 1.2.0), libqte2 (>= 2.3.10), libc6 (>= 2.3.2+cvs20040726) Jul 26 15:02:55 How would one force a compiler choice with a specific bitbake package? Jul 26 15:02:56 that's from libsdl-image Jul 26 15:03:31 the kernels do something with CC_SUFFIX Jul 26 15:05:05 linux/linux-omap1_2.6.12-rc2.bb:15:KERNEL_CCSUFFIX = "-3.3.4" Jul 26 15:05:20 no idea is that works on regular bb files Jul 26 15:05:42 it links ti libsdl-x11 Jul 26 15:06:02 but X11 is deprecated, old and boring?! (not that I mean anything...) Jul 26 15:06:08 :) Jul 26 15:06:50 03dyoung 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r4f79e586... 10/packages/procps/procps_3.2.5.bb: Added CPPFLAGS hack to EXTRA_OEMAKE to prevent default inclusion of /usr/include/ncurses by procps Makefile Jul 26 15:08:30 Well, OE's got problems with regards to FC3, as gmp isn't happy w/anything past the 3.3.X versions of GCC. There's a native version that FC3 provides that is later on than the one in OE, but it's compiled with gcc33 instead of gcc, which is the 3.3.X version of GCC for that purpose. Jul 26 15:09:01 I have a question, what is OE using gmp for anyhow? Jul 26 15:09:10 gcc 4.0 uses, I think Jul 26 15:09:15 uses it even Jul 26 15:09:58 Surprising, considering they don't support 4.0 right at the moment- according to the gmp people, it doesn't build it right. Jul 26 15:10:19 Svartalf, you could try the zaurus gcc override methid Jul 26 15:10:27 method* Jul 26 15:10:27 or just don't use 4.0.... Jul 26 15:10:36 unlikely your stuff depends on it anyway Jul 26 15:10:52 emte, point me in the direction for that on a wiki or a website, please... :-) Jul 26 15:11:49 * Svartalf plans on documenting all of this for posterity (or, is that posterior, not sure at this point...) so others following on won't be asking these stupid questions on #oe... :-) Jul 26 15:12:37 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusDevelopmentInformation Jul 26 15:13:01 the part about a decent cross-compiler toolchain Jul 26 15:13:20 Thank you. Jul 26 15:14:04 look like tinderbox finally starts to behave Jul 26 15:21:36 koen: you could update your setup and tinder.conf as well Jul 26 15:21:39 zecke_: cool Jul 26 15:21:45 koen: HTTP post seem to work now Jul 26 15:21:57 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r757048da... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 15:21:57 openembedded/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 26 15:21:57 -A beginning new line... makes process_builds... thanks Jul 26 15:21:57 to mithro... Jul 26 15:23:50 zecke_ + mithro: congrats Jul 26 15:24:04 all hail the tinderbox at http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/OpenEmbeddedBuild/status.html Jul 26 15:24:31 hail Jul 26 15:24:44 zecke_: if you update tinder.conf I'll setup a build on my machine here tomorrow Jul 26 15:28:53 koen: done Jul 26 15:29:01 mucho coolness Jul 26 15:31:25 now onto fixing timezones Jul 26 15:32:05 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r354e8aea... 10/conf/tinder.conf: Jul 26 15:32:05 openembedded/conf/tinder.conf: Jul 26 15:32:05 -Update the sample config to show using HTTP post as well Jul 26 15:39:52 zecke_: can the tinderclient report the commandline used to the server? Jul 26 15:40:23 koen: it does not use a command line? Jul 26 15:41:20 zecke_: 'bitbake foo' Jul 26 15:41:42 koen: it could Jul 26 15:41:51 koen: but that should be your 'tree' Jul 26 15:41:56 I know Jul 26 15:42:00 but we are human Jul 26 15:42:11 and I'm rather error prone Jul 26 15:42:17 My name is bende please insert disk Jul 26 15:42:21 bender even Jul 26 15:42:36 Insert Girder? Jul 26 15:46:17 anyone know which bb file builds a real "ar" binary? (not busybox) Jul 26 15:47:30 JustinP: binutils? Jul 26 15:49:17 zecke_: yep. Looks like busybox took it back over, though...thanks Jul 26 15:50:16 busybox requires the - for commands but the real "ar" doesn't Jul 26 15:50:16 'night all Jul 26 15:58:03 * Svartalf sighs... I've obviously missed something- what I just tried didn't work out well... How do I cripple the GCC 4.0 requirements for a build run? Jul 26 15:58:38 Just delete the .bb files for that and then fix any other complaints accordingly? Jul 26 16:02:54 rwhitby: are you around? Jul 26 16:06:10 yeah, but off to work very soon Jul 26 16:07:09 rwhitby: I'm going to fix the timezone issue when reporting logs Jul 26 16:07:22 rwhitby: and it would be nice if you could switch from email to http-post Jul 26 16:13:54 zecke_: will be able to do that in about 12 hours Jul 26 16:14:03 if you see me then, please remind me :-) Jul 26 16:45:42 treke-: ping Jul 26 16:48:23 what? Jul 26 16:50:45 so angry Jul 26 16:52:29 are any of you planning to be at OSCON next week? Jul 26 16:52:40 I just figured out that there's an Embedded Linux BOF I should attend. Jul 26 16:53:48 Not me - I'm on a strict one conference a month diet Jul 26 16:54:16 Oh? What else is in August? Jul 26 16:54:19 can i walk there? Jul 26 16:54:28 emte: I can walk there. I don't know about you. Jul 26 16:54:44 you in victoria? Jul 26 16:54:45 keturn: OLS was last week Jul 26 16:56:51 * emte guesses no Jul 26 17:03:06 Hometime Jul 26 17:04:43 The places you can walk to from Victoria seem to be rather limited, unless you can walk on water. Jul 26 17:05:06 they call that the ferry dont they? Jul 26 17:05:07 :P Jul 26 17:05:14 However, if you can get yourself to Seattle, you can take the train. That's a bit much bother for a one-evening BOF session, though. Jul 26 17:05:27 cya Jul 26 17:05:36 yeah Jul 26 17:06:01 i'd go to port angelese instead and go camping :P Jul 26 19:01:57 hey bananna man Jul 26 19:02:06 raster me bannana Jul 26 19:02:08 :P Jul 26 19:02:23 emte: gorgonzola! Jul 26 19:02:28 lol Jul 26 19:02:40 how goes it Jul 26 19:02:43 hi raster Jul 26 19:02:52 * france is back (gone 20:33:40) Jul 26 19:04:15 emte: i'm on strike! Jul 26 19:04:37 chouimat: hey man - i tried calling u the next afternoon well about 1-2 pm for lunch Jul 26 19:04:47 but every time i tried nothing happened Jul 26 19:04:49 except 1 time Jul 26 19:04:53 and i got an engaged signal Jul 26 19:05:03 (i was out so i only had my phone to use) Jul 26 19:05:07 (no email) Jul 26 19:05:20 raster: next time then :) Jul 26 19:05:45 i think my phone was not roaming happily Jul 26 19:06:06 and the 1 time it got thru engaged ... poohbum Jul 26 19:06:15 raster: weird Jul 26 19:06:21 on strike from what? Jul 26 19:06:30 emte: email. Jul 26 19:06:36 lol Jul 26 19:06:46 who keeps emailing you? Jul 26 19:06:58 i know its not me Jul 26 19:07:10 i dont recall ever emailing you ... Jul 26 19:07:57 03jp30 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rf8ddb871... 10/packages/linux/unslung-kernel/defconfig: build binfmt_misc as a module Jul 26 19:11:53 jp30 is our nslu2-linux Optware (packages for Unslung firmware and wl500g firmware) packages manager, and will also be doing mods to the Unslung firmware. He is an nslu2-linux core developer. Jul 26 19:18:07 emte: everyone... too bloody much email. Jul 26 19:19:55 lol Jul 26 21:11:13 night Jul 26 21:11:33 raster: ping Jul 26 21:20:57 chouimat|Zzzz: pong Jul 26 21:21:16 raster: got my remote management protocol working ... Jul 26 21:21:43 can it read emila or browse the web yet? Jul 26 21:21:58 raster: current implementation is using jabber as carrier (and I have a serial one too) Jul 26 21:22:41 will do nicely for a demo =) Jul 26 21:23:32 you need to read emial and browse the web for it to be complete :) Jul 26 21:23:47 raster: haha Jul 26 21:24:11 raster: some one told me he wouldn't invest in the project because it didn't supported drag and drop Jul 26 21:24:25 HAHGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Jul 26 21:24:36 what the hell has that got to do with remote management protocols? Jul 26 21:25:17 raster: people love drag and drop ... it enable them to do backup easily ... just drag the c: drive in outlook and email it :) Jul 26 21:41:41 ugh Jul 26 21:41:46 thats just... ouch Jul 26 21:42:13 raster: see it on regular basis Jul 26 21:42:39 then again - thats something i aimed for long ago with efgm Jul 26 21:42:49 with having meta data on fiels and dirs like "drop command" Jul 26 21:42:53 "exe command" Jul 26 21:42:58 "drop in command" Jul 26 21:43:16 ie drop In a directory and anythgin dropped INTO it is passed thru a command instead of moved or copied Jul 26 21:43:26 drop on a file icon or a dir icon similar things Jul 26 21:43:30 double clikc is the exe command Jul 26 21:43:31 etc. Jul 26 21:43:43 then its just a matter of good metadata setup Jul 26 21:44:01 executing something to do the right thing (tar up the file or dir u drop on it and pipe it thru a mailer) Jul 26 21:58:14 we need a clue-app Jul 26 21:58:29 that would give users a clue about reality Jul 26 21:59:32 some one swore to me yesterday that the "best" way to send someone else a file was to use msn Jul 26 21:59:52 i asked him if he was kidding, he said no Jul 26 22:57:33 hi all! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 26 23:59:57 2005