**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 26 23:59:57 2005 Jul 27 00:15:43 hi Jul 27 01:09:55 morning Jul 27 01:11:13 morning Jul 27 01:13:39 morning XorA Jul 27 01:17:03 x Jul 27 01:17:13 hi Jul 27 01:17:22 gah sneezed on the x Jul 27 01:19:47 hi hrw|work Jul 27 01:20:43 hi Dirk Jul 27 01:20:48 whats up? Jul 27 01:22:00 No tosa news :) Jul 27 01:23:33 my dvd drive suxx Jul 27 01:25:22 hrw|work: no 6000x ripping? Jul 27 01:26:13 XorA: problems with reading pressed dvd Jul 27 01:27:14 hrw|work: I got an NEC and a really old creative :-) Jul 27 01:27:32 hrw|work: dvd drives are cheap. by a new one :-) Jul 27 01:27:39 NEC will even read cd's I thought I had destroyed due to massive abbrasion Jul 27 01:28:05 do13: first I need to change a job probably Jul 27 01:28:37 massive abrasion? Jul 27 01:28:50 you used it for ... sex? Jul 27 01:29:03 (just a little humor) Jul 27 01:31:03 subdue: :-D Jul 27 01:31:52 hrw|work:dissatisfied? Jul 27 01:33:38 do13: boring Jul 27 01:35:04 I know this. Whats your current job? linux programming? Jul 27 01:35:28 PHP programming Jul 27 01:36:07 hrw|work: opie php? Jul 27 01:36:22 which kind of work do you want to do? Jul 27 01:36:59 I will search php work too but want to find better managed one Jul 27 01:39:10 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r70eb5fed... 10/conf/machine/ (zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf): Jul 27 01:39:10 zaurus-clamshell*.conf: don't override BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_?DEPENDS, since Jul 27 01:39:10 there may be bbclasses that already have populated it Jul 27 01:39:14 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r286a5cad... 10/packages/opie-taskbar/opie-taskbar/ (akita/qpe.conf c7x0/qpe.conf spitz/qpe.conf tosa/qpe.conf): Jul 27 01:39:14 opie-taskbar: qpe.conf: use Windows (*cough*) style on hires models Jul 27 01:39:14 as default, since this is where we get the biggest pixmaps. We should Jul 27 01:39:14 pester upstream to write styles and decorations that scale with the default text font... Jul 27 01:44:32 why is it that sometimes screen-tap sounds work on akita (qss running) and sometimes not (qss running, too)? Jul 27 01:44:57 * CoreDump|home reboots Jul 27 01:45:16 apps blocking /dev/dsp? Jul 27 01:45:36 hmmm Jul 27 01:45:58 other sounds work though Jul 27 01:46:03 like prboom etc Jul 27 01:47:26 CoreDump|home: is akita sound the same as C860? Jul 27 01:47:34 i believe so Jul 27 01:47:44 heh ok Jul 27 01:47:50 CoreDump|home: should check whether qss is stuck in D state Jul 27 01:47:50 boot -> no sound Jul 27 01:48:02 quit opie and start it from VT -> sound Jul 27 01:48:26 * CoreDump|home is not leet enough for that Jul 27 01:49:09 CoreDump|home: ps auxw | grep qss Jul 27 01:49:47 it's running allright Jul 27 01:49:56 even if I don't hear a thing =) Jul 27 01:50:46 ;) Jul 27 01:51:24 well after quitting opie and starting it again it works. maybe some sort of timing problem Jul 27 01:53:07 * CoreDump|home thinks about hacking updater.sh. Jul 27 01:57:07 hi pb Jul 27 01:58:17 morning all Jul 27 01:58:20 good morning Jul 27 01:58:30 ~ugt Jul 27 01:58:31 [ugt] Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. Jul 27 01:58:52 hi Bernardo RP Jul 27 01:59:39 * CoreDump|home loves ugt, and uses it IRL, too :) Jul 27 01:59:50 hi RP Jul 27 02:00:11 :) The fact that here is 10 am is irrelevant... Jul 27 02:00:16 hi RP Jul 27 02:00:21 hi Bernardo Jul 27 02:00:29 CoreDump|home: trying the hentges rom on my akita right now... Jul 27 02:00:32 11:00 here Jul 27 02:00:44 * hrw|work ignore am/pm usage Jul 27 02:00:51 hrw|work: here, too Jul 27 02:01:25 CoreDump|home, XorA: C860 is boxer Jul 27 02:01:28 am/pm is evil... :) Jul 27 02:02:09 I am getting the following error when I try to build my images Jul 27 02:02:16 | pthread.c:(.text+0x1eb): undefined reference to `_res' Jul 27 02:02:35 Does anybody have an idea how I can solve this ? Jul 27 02:02:53 beware fellow devs, CoreDump is syncing =) Jul 27 02:02:59 * CoreDump|home looks at CIA Jul 27 02:03:12 hi hrw|work Jul 27 02:03:12 hi all Jul 27 02:03:48 hi pb_ Jul 27 02:04:11 hi pb_ Jul 27 02:04:11 Hi Jul 27 02:04:19 Hi pb_ Jul 27 02:04:53 and ofcourse someones sneaked in a push before me -> two heads. Jul 27 02:05:26 * XorA hides deep underground from CoreDump|homes sync Jul 27 02:06:15 * CoreDump|home soooo wishes bitkeeper back ;) Jul 27 02:06:32 It seems I cannot get this issue solved with pthread Jul 27 02:06:36 so I have to run pull/merge/update Jul 27 02:06:54 gerwinin: we need much more context - pastebin more Jul 27 02:06:57 ~pastebin Jul 27 02:06:57 it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca Jul 27 02:07:14 hrw|work: i have an alias doing that by now: pull && merge ; update Jul 27 02:08:58 hrw: http://pastebin.ca/18597 Jul 27 02:09:12 aliast mtpull='monotone pull;monotone merge;monotone update' Jul 27 02:09:35 monotone doesn't force a linear commit line, so there is no way to garantee that you end up with a single head Jul 27 02:09:51 youc an be 99% sure with the right aliases Jul 27 02:10:04 s/youc an/you can/ Jul 27 02:10:06 gerwinin: machine/distro? Jul 27 02:10:11 alias, _and_ pulling the seconds before pushing Jul 27 02:10:19 Fedora x86 Jul 27 02:10:24 gerwinin: I get that glibc built with c7x0/openzaurus some time ago Jul 27 02:11:41 hrw: this is a fresh pull only builded for epia until now Jul 27 02:12:05 gerwinin: tried other glibc Jul 27 02:12:06 ? Jul 27 02:12:29 hrw: Okay I can configure that in local.conf ? Jul 27 02:13:34 look for prefered versions in conf/distro/* Jul 27 02:13:51 Yes found that Jul 27 02:14:27 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rcd42ec31... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb: openzaurus-pxa27x: fix EQUIPMENT setting for spitz and akita (was swapped) Jul 27 02:18:41 hrw : I commented the initial Jul 27 02:18:49 See if this works Jul 27 02:21:58 so mickeyl is not on IRC, but still hacking away instead of doing PhD :-) Jul 27 02:22:15 heh, it seems Jul 27 02:22:27 ~herring mickey_away Jul 27 02:22:28 * ibot whacks mickey_away on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred Jul 27 02:22:43 maybe he write his PhD on spitz? :) Jul 27 02:22:58 maybe that's it Jul 27 02:23:13 actually, I have no idea what topic mickey's PhD is on. Jul 27 02:23:15 that'd probably work better than in Word Jul 27 02:23:26 hrw: the problem persists :( Jul 27 02:32:42 pb_: pervasive computing iirc Jul 27 02:33:13 Where can I see which other versions of libc I can use ? Jul 27 02:34:10 ah :) another one trying to free computers from their users Jul 27 02:34:39 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rec21bc32... 10/packages/zaurus-updater/ (akita/updater.sh zaurus-updater.bb): Akita updater.sh: Turn off debugging output, courtesy of jbbrs@oesf.org Jul 27 02:35:39 CoreDump|home: jbbrs is Bernardo ;) Jul 27 02:35:45 doh Jul 27 02:35:57 didn't know that =) Jul 27 02:36:58 ;) Jul 27 02:37:37 :) Jul 27 02:37:43 Jose Bernardo ... Jul 27 02:38:34 José Bernardo de Bandos Rodrigues da Silva Jul 27 02:38:43 long enough to not remember it ;) Jul 27 02:38:54 holy crap :) Jul 27 02:40:29 :) Jul 27 02:41:00 Two given names, and three family names... long enough to confuse our anglo-saxon friends... Jul 27 02:42:02 anyway it is easier to spell then Marcin Juszkiewicz Jul 27 02:42:13 atleast for non-slovian Jul 27 02:42:46 I don't even know how to pronounce it... "Too many" consonants together for my tongue... Jul 27 02:43:10 any welsh people around? Jul 27 02:43:40 Try my name : Gerwin van der Kruis or my official name : gerardus fransiscus johannes van der Kruis Jul 27 02:43:55 gerwinin: that's easy :) Jul 27 02:43:58 :) Jul 27 02:43:59 gerwinin: That I could pronounce Jul 27 02:44:09 dutch? Jul 27 02:44:13 Yes Jul 27 02:44:26 gerwinin: easy Jul 27 02:44:53 'W Szczebrzeszynie chrz±szcz brzmi w trzcinie' rulez anyway Jul 27 02:45:02 Yes it does Jul 27 02:45:28 The asians often have two different names one enlgish and one chinese Jul 27 02:45:31 know i have a knot in my tongue, thx Jul 27 02:46:44 if I had a cool name Id understand why people couldnt spell it, but I have a nice simple Scottish name and no-one can :-( Jul 27 02:47:03 Martin Juskiwitsch! Jul 27 02:47:28 XorA: :) Jul 27 02:48:18 XorA: hey, most Englishman can't really say "Loch" correctly, strange ch-sound-disability Jul 27 02:48:29 heh Jul 27 02:48:29 lock? Jul 27 02:48:40 schurig: you asked Polish coworkers? Jul 27 02:48:51 hrw|work: ? Jul 27 02:49:05 <-- Øyvind as a first name. Try pronouncing that ;-) Jul 27 02:49:06 ~lart people for adding random h to Graeme Jul 27 02:49:06 * ibot cats /dev/urandom into people's ear for adding random h to Graeme Jul 27 02:49:31 schurig: 'Martin Juskiwitsch!' - iirc you had Polish coworkers... Jul 27 02:49:48 NAiL: I don't think I can express that phonem in english... :) Jul 27 02:49:49 subdue: ch is pronounced like you clear your throat Jul 27 02:49:53 subdue: no, it's ch like the Dutch say for a "g" and the german say for a "ch". No "k"-like sound Jul 27 02:50:13 XorA: Graeme reminds me Gordon R. Dickson books Jul 27 02:50:25 like you're trying to pass a fur ball... Jul 27 02:50:30 Bernardo: Not many can :-P Jul 27 02:50:34 hrw|work: ah, yes, we have. But I haven't asked her. But actually she's now german (lives since ages here and changed nationality) Jul 27 02:51:09 NAiL: I think I could say it, but don't know how to express the first phonem in english Jul 27 02:51:29 Bernardo: I'm trying to remember a somewhat similar sound in english Jul 27 02:51:35 beware my mad sql: select concat(d1.title,'/', d2.title,'/', d3.title,'/',d4.title) as title from dzialy d1 left join dzialy d2 on d1.id=d2.fk_dzial_id left join dzialy d3 on d2.id=d3.fk_dzial_id left join dzialy d4 on d3.id=d4.fk_dzial_id Jul 27 02:52:15 Bernardo: If you know french, "two" in french has a similar sound. Jul 27 02:52:25 hrw|work: s/dzialy/ NAiL: Öyvind ? Jul 27 02:52:57 NAiL: the middle sound in the english "sir" ? Jul 27 02:53:06 schurig: Yeah, that's kinda close Jul 27 02:53:46 * schurig stops linguistics for now Jul 27 02:54:25 RP: can you do merging of c7x0/defconfig? Jul 27 02:54:37 NAiL: yep, that's what I thought it would sound like Jul 27 02:54:48 monotone: selected update target 4c11ce1d7f3deef9b1c3e70226656b3bd77425d3 Jul 27 02:54:49 monotone: help required for 3-way merge Jul 27 02:54:49 monotone: [ancestor] packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.12-mm1/defconfig-c7x0 Jul 27 02:54:49 monotone: [ left] packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc3-mm1/defconfig-c7x0 Jul 27 02:54:49 monotone: [ right] packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.12-mm1/defconfig-c7x0 Jul 27 02:54:50 the middle phonem in deux Jul 27 02:54:51 monotone: [ merged] packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc3-mm1/defconfig-c7x0 Jul 27 02:55:32 RP: I selected 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 as main source for merging but maybe it need checking.. Jul 27 02:55:49 NAiL: easy for austrians, as we live in Österreich :) Jul 27 02:57:58 koobla: hmm.. didn't think that that ö was prononced thataway Jul 27 02:58:26 koen: your branch is on vanille.de... Jul 27 02:58:38 CoreDump|home: I merged your changeset Jul 27 02:58:39 NAiL: it should be rather close Jul 27 02:59:09 CoreDump|home: thx Jul 27 03:05:19 hrw|work: I can't see it at http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/index.psp Jul 27 03:06:17 * koen starts a tinderbox build Jul 27 03:06:49 koen: ok - then probably I have it locally Jul 27 03:07:00 yep Jul 27 03:07:46 killed Jul 27 03:15:33 hrw|work: What was the main change to that file? It should have been fine? Jul 27 03:15:48 I'm pleased I have a "simple" name :) Jul 27 03:16:16 Even if its a nonstandard spelling... Jul 27 03:16:47 RP: I merged them to be just packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc3-mm1/defconfig-c7x0 - can you check does it is correct? Jul 27 03:17:07 I have one good thing with name - US-ASCII is enough to write it Jul 27 03:19:17 hrw|work: I also can't see it with viewmtn... Jul 27 03:22:56 ok Jul 27 03:23:35 woohoo! Jul 27 03:23:40 another tinderbuild hits http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/OpenEmbeddedBuild/status.html Jul 27 03:24:06 12:23 hrw@work:org.openembedded.dev$ monotone list unknown|wc Jul 27 03:24:06 6363 6363 649457 Jul 27 03:24:16 be sure to 1) update bitbake 2) update OE 3) remove the cache 4) put the stuff from tinder.conf in local.conf Jul 27 03:24:18 looks like I have fscked working copy ;( Jul 27 03:26:24 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rae6b1214... 10/conf/distro/openslug-packages.conf: Added groff, needed for man Jul 27 03:29:49 * koen gets bored and looks at adding inkscape 0.42 to OE Jul 27 03:54:58 koen: :-) Jul 27 03:55:08 koen: that'll put us one up on pdaXrom Jul 27 04:01:55 * koen glares at http://www.inkscape.org/download.php Jul 27 04:07:58 hey zecke_ Jul 27 04:09:37 mithro is on the way to amsterdam now Jul 27 04:09:57 koen: HTTP-Post looks to work alright Jul 27 04:10:04 koen: is the load for ewi okay as well? Jul 27 04:10:13 the load is ok Jul 27 04:10:37 I had two builds running on ewi in parallel Jul 27 04:10:44 zecke_: I think mithro will pass my house at 10 km (if the train is going through hengelo) Jul 27 04:11:33 he is changing trains in deventer Jul 27 04:11:39 OT: is boxter near eindhoven? Jul 27 04:12:25 * koen would have to google for that Jul 27 04:14:44 Zecke: boxtel is near eindhoven Jul 27 04:15:01 Boxtel = in between eindhoven and Den Bosch Jul 27 04:15:13 koen: time to get that 802.11b pringles can working :-) Jul 27 04:15:26 Boxtel It is very close to me Jul 27 04:15:41 XorA: :) Jul 27 04:16:25 XorA: I still have a complete design for 100Mbit using lasers Jul 27 04:16:59 with the right lens it should scale up to 10 km Jul 27 04:17:29 and a higly illegal laser ;) Jul 27 04:17:41 koen: Ive always wanted a laser link for a network, I just need to find someone in straight line with me :-) Jul 27 04:19:59 Koen: How about hosting a oe meeting in Netherlands ? Jul 27 04:20:29 sounds cool Jul 27 04:20:29 Koen: I can make my house of office available and willing to do the organisation Jul 27 04:20:38 house or office Jul 27 04:21:05 Koen I will shoot a message on the mailing list about this Jul 27 04:21:06 sound neat Jul 27 04:21:12 sounds even Jul 27 04:23:25 I will send a mail to the mailing list and everybody who is interested (and probarly close enough) can come and stay over if neccessary Jul 27 04:23:53 * XorA can get as far as Schipol easilly from Edin (apologies for spelling) Jul 27 04:24:09 Eindhoven sounds reachable from Frankfurt, Siegen... Jul 27 04:25:01 someone has to guide me beyond that though Jul 27 04:25:55 BTW uk people, DNScon is on in blackpool in two weels, I shall be there Z in hand Jul 27 04:29:11 XorA: schiphol -> eindhoven is 1,5 hours by train with one easy changeover Jul 27 04:29:44 a roundtrip is E29,70 Jul 27 04:31:16 (www.ns.nl -> english -> train planner) Jul 27 04:32:10 koen: or London -> eindhoven direct Jul 27 04:33:01 zecke_: o coremaster, did you see Erik's note about this OVERRIDES problem on the mailing list? Jul 27 04:33:21 pb_: yes Jul 27 04:33:40 can't be is my first impression, but I need to take a closer look Jul 27 04:33:51 zecke: I certainly do observe the bad behaviour here. Jul 27 04:34:01 # OVERRIDES=task_do_showdata:kernel26:local:h3900:familiar:linux:INVALID:build-linux:${TARGET_ARCH}-${TARGET_OS} Jul 27 04:34:12 pb_: master of anything how should ?= function anyway? Jul 27 04:34:26 XorA: london -> eindhoven by train is 8,5 hours..... Jul 27 04:34:40 zecke: "?=" is meant to perform the assignment only if the variable does not already exist. Jul 27 04:34:47 XorA: ah wait, they but a boat in between Jul 27 04:34:51 I don't think this is related to the OVERRIDES thing though. Jul 27 04:35:25 pb_: I'll reread his emails afternoon Jul 27 04:35:33 righto Jul 27 04:35:39 just kick me later... Jul 27 04:35:44 afaict, the problem is that OVERRIDES is getting expanded much too early for some reason. Jul 27 04:37:49 probably right at the direct assignment ;) Jul 27 04:38:15 normally it leaves unknown variables as ${} but it knows one (set to INVALID) Jul 27 04:38:18 zecke_: I think tinderbox will show the failure soon Jul 27 04:38:39 zecke: it seems, yeah. but an "=" assignment should not be expanding anything. Jul 27 04:38:50 only ":=" is entitled to perform any expansion. Jul 27 04:39:11 koen: by plane :-) Jul 27 04:40:15 pb_: yeah but I changed the from OVERRIDES_prepend to direct assignment ;) Jul 27 04:41:30 zecke: oh, right. where? Jul 27 04:41:38 h3900.conf Jul 27 04:41:41 ah Jul 27 04:41:43 and pxa270 conf Jul 27 04:41:44 yes, I remember now Jul 27 04:41:51 that's no good. we will have to undo that change. Jul 27 04:42:19 or, I guess, we could rearrange the variables so that the expansion is safe, but that seems a bit fragile Jul 27 04:42:44 pb_: why not put the kernvel version directly into OVERRIDES? Jul 27 04:43:17 or, we could implement the ".=" operator that Chris and I were discussing at one point. Jul 27 04:43:26 like += but without adding a space Jul 27 04:43:39 then you could write h3900.conf in terms of that, and the problem would (I think) go away Jul 27 04:44:10 zecke_: the whole "2.4 versus 2.6" thing is fairly specific to the ipaq. Jul 27 04:44:29 I don't think it would make much sense to put that in a generic configuration. Jul 27 04:44:34 pb_: screw HP anyway ;) Jul 27 04:44:49 right, maybe we should just burn all our ipaqs. Jul 27 04:44:53 problem solved! Jul 27 04:46:10 and with the money we receive from that we could buy these cheap imported stuff. how is it called again? maurux? Jul 27 04:46:32 pb_ any news from the CELF guys? Jul 27 04:47:00 no, I haven't heard from them for ages. Jul 27 04:47:08 I keep meaning to write to them again, but I always forget. Jul 27 04:47:35 ~herring pb_ Jul 27 04:47:35 * ibot whacks pb_ on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred Jul 27 04:48:05 * zecke_ continues merging patches Jul 27 04:57:49 koen: spaces in the buildname look to work Jul 27 04:57:56 (see SIMpad meta opie build) Jul 27 04:58:22 pb_: do you think you build one configuration regulary and provider logs? (epia or such) Jul 27 04:58:23 nice Jul 27 04:58:44 koen: we need to make the tinderbox error parser parse some less errors Jul 27 04:59:20 like not triggering on 'not ' Jul 27 04:59:40 koen: and provide a text only way of getting the log Jul 27 04:59:49 rwhitby: I think you said zecke needed you to remind you of something Jul 27 05:00:03 rwhitby: hey Jul 27 05:00:17 rwhitby: switch to HTTP post please Jul 27 05:00:56 zecke_: I needed to kill my cache to get it to see BUILDSTART Jul 27 05:00:59 zecke_: ok, you have my attention :-) What do I need to do? Jul 27 05:01:26 koen: known, I need to talk with proti about it Jul 27 05:01:26 ~lart libgc for b0rking in libtool Jul 27 05:01:27 * ibot duct-tapes libgc to the floor and drools on him for b0rking in libtool Jul 27 05:02:02 rwhitby: TINDER_SENDLOG = "http" Jul 27 05:02:02 TINDER_HOST = "ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl" Jul 27 05:02:02 TINDER_URL = "/OE_qa/cgi-bin/process_builds.cgi" Jul 27 05:02:09 should be enough Jul 27 05:04:45 should I set TINDER_VERBOSE_REPORT or not ? Jul 27 05:05:05 rwhitby: you can if you want to Jul 27 05:05:40 rwhitby: also do TINDER_TZ="Europe/Berlin" Jul 27 05:06:00 rwhitby: with a newer version of the tinderclient.bbclass it will fix the timezone issue as well Jul 27 05:08:20 pb_: introducing a .= would require to use a new version of bitbake?! Jul 27 05:10:19 zecke_: ok, let's see if that works ... Jul 27 05:15:46 pb_: could one make tinderbox-oe@gmx.net watch all reported bugs? Jul 27 05:18:02 koen: you stopped your built manually? Jul 27 05:19:21 zecke_: no Jul 27 05:19:30 zecke_: it stopped on the alignment.sh Jul 27 05:20:02 hmm that isn't in the log (probably a issue with my tinderclient.bbclass) Jul 27 05:20:03 zecke_: I think we could make tinderbox-oe the default QA contact Jul 27 05:20:29 if you have the rights please do so (or instead of oe@handhelds.org?) Jul 27 05:21:00 we still want the bugs to go to the list as well Jul 27 05:21:17 I think you have to bribe treke to adjust the bugzilla Jul 27 05:22:28 koen: http://home.rubberturnip.org.uk/jhbuild-logs/20050726-06/ that looks interesting as well Jul 27 05:22:49 jhbuild is pretty nice Jul 27 05:22:58 zecke_: indeed it would, but version dependencies between oe and bitbake are nothing new Jul 27 05:22:59 I've used it in the past Jul 27 05:23:12 see the topic Jul 27 05:23:18 "OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date " Jul 27 05:23:38 zecke_: but jhbuild is afaik like OE, a collection of metadata Jul 27 05:23:40 koen: I thought jhbuild was only to do local builds (like garmone) Jul 27 05:23:56 jhbuild can generate html logs Jul 27 05:24:02 like the one you are looking at Jul 27 05:24:22 zecke: yes, I think one could do that. If nothing else, you could register tinderbox-oe as the QA contact. Jul 27 05:24:38 I think there is a "watch all bugs" mechanism in bugzilla, though. Jul 27 05:25:12 pb_: yes but you do get all bugs you either Watch, are CCed, reported or are responsible Jul 27 05:26:11 indeed Jul 27 05:26:26 I imagine tinderbox-oe would not be the assignee for any bugs, though. Jul 27 05:26:31 I'm seeing myself rewriting tinderbox, bonsai and gecko (kidding on the last one) Jul 27 05:26:38 heh Jul 27 05:26:45 pb_: right, and it doesn't watch any by default Jul 27 05:27:19 right. but, what I am saying is that there is a "watch all" option that you can set for tinderbox-oe if you want. Jul 27 05:27:29 if you do that, it will watch them all. Jul 27 05:27:51 the default is just the default, you don't have to leave it that way. Jul 27 05:28:59 pb_: that option is not in the preference settings Jul 27 05:29:13 ah. Jul 27 05:29:26 pb_: or gmx are delaying mail delivery even more Jul 27 05:29:35 well, do the QA contact thing for now. I'll try to look up where the "watch everything" flag lives. Jul 27 05:44:10 ~lart broken libtoolscripts Jul 27 05:44:10 * ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on broken libtoolscripts Jul 27 05:44:13 #fix libtool script Jul 27 05:44:14 sed -i 's:${SED}:sed:g' libtool Jul 27 05:44:14 sed -i 's:$SED:sed:g' libtool Jul 27 05:44:35 who needs patches? Jul 27 06:03:58 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r3767bf1b... 10/packages/nonworking/ (23 files in 7 dirs): nonworking: remove a couple of obsolete files. please don't put files loosely here, put them into directories Jul 27 06:05:26 mickey_away: congrats of staying away! ;) Jul 27 06:14:30 OE core devs: we need to talk about the granularity of perl packages. Currently perl emits 858 packages. Jul 27 06:14:47 rwhitby: I bet you want more ;) Jul 27 06:15:39 I'll be personally happy with just 1 more (perl-modules.ipk, which depends on them all) Jul 27 06:16:20 is there anyone who would actually use a granularity more fine than just libperl, perl, perl-core-modules and perl-modules ? Jul 27 06:17:54 hmmm, perlmodules (monolithic) is a 5.2MB ipkg Jul 27 06:17:57 Here is a currently proposed grouping: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/native/2.4-beta/ Jul 27 06:18:29 yeah, but how to pick a grouping that is more than 1 single perl-modules, but less than 858 individual modules ? Jul 27 06:20:47 I'm affraid someone (or some people) have to sit down a split out the 10 biggest modules and put the rest in one big ipk Jul 27 06:21:14 s/a/to/ Jul 27 06:21:22 what's the accepted limit of the size of a single ipk ? Jul 27 06:21:55 perl-modules-a-k, perl-modules-l-z ? Jul 27 06:48:50 rwhitby: no limit, it depends on the target environment. Jul 27 06:49:25 regarding perl-modules, I recommend you leave the packaging the way it is, and make additional metapackages that depend on the modules to achieve whatever groupings you want. Jul 27 06:50:47 pb_: the trouble is that the ipkg status information for 858 perl packages is quite big Jul 27 06:51:25 now it doesn't really concern nslu2-linux that much (cause we usually have a large disk attached), but it could be prohibitive for any other handheld distro that wants to use perl ... Jul 27 06:52:12 to be honest, if you have enough disk space to install all 858 packages, you probably have enough disk space that you don't need to worry about the space that the status file takes up. Jul 27 06:52:50 it's worth remembering that the status file compresses pretty well if you are using jffs2 on flash. Jul 27 06:53:37 ok, we'll create a new perl-modules meta-package which includes them all. Jul 27 06:53:42 ok, sounds good Jul 27 06:54:22 if any other handheld distro does turn out to have a problem, we can worry about that when the situation arises. Jul 27 06:54:38 it's not possible to have the same files in two different packages (i.e. make perl-modules a real package which real files, as opposed to it being a meta-package) is it? Jul 27 06:54:51 s/which/with/ Jul 27 06:55:16 yeah, if you want. Jul 27 06:55:24 ~lart GMX for delaying mail more than four days Jul 27 06:55:24 * ibot gives GMX a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for delaying mail more than four days Jul 27 06:55:34 are there any packages depending on specific perl-module-packages? Jul 27 06:55:36 you'd have to mark all the perl-module-bleh packages as Conflicts: perl-modules, but other than that it should be fine Jul 27 06:56:23 it'd need a little bit of python trickery in do_populate_packages to slip the files into place. if there isn't a mechanism for that yet, we can add one. Jul 27 06:56:41 DaKa2: yes, I have seen a few: for example Jul 27 06:57:20 oh fun.. Jul 27 06:57:36 PROVIDES = <800+ packages> Jul 27 06:57:38 fun..... Jul 27 06:57:44 Well, easy solution is a meta package.. Jul 27 07:03:25 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/OpenEmbeddedBuild/status.html Jul 27 07:04:05 zecke_: I added the http post stuff for openslug, but it hasn't appeared ... Jul 27 07:04:49 rwhitby: delete the cache Jul 27 07:05:25 currently it sets BUILDSTART once and writes it to disk :} Jul 27 07:05:50 rsync -av --delete dominion:/data/build/oe/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/ /data/build/oe/openembedded/ ; rm tmp/familiar/ -rf ; touch conf/local.conf ; bitbake gpe-image Jul 27 07:05:54 that's my tinder.sh Jul 27 07:06:20 I will probably go protis way and always put a recent configuration below each bbfile Jul 27 07:06:44 koen: spaces in buildname work as well Jul 27 07:07:35 zecke: heh. we have the same problem with ${DATETIME} (which is probably identical to ${BUILDSTART} right now, in fact) Jul 27 07:08:18 pb_: right, I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a problem... :} Jul 27 07:08:56 People do grumble about the DATETIME thing occasionally, because it causes slightly surprising behaviour with image file naming. Jul 27 07:08:57 zecke_: I think TINDERBUILD should be autogenerated using hostname, distro, and provider if it left blank Jul 27 07:09:22 pb_: right, it is a bug, not a problem. The cause is obvious ;) Jul 27 07:09:32 zecke_: and MACHINE Jul 27 07:09:39 zecke: heh Jul 27 07:09:44 koen: and if it is a gentoo user Jul 27 07:10:09 koen: they probably compile bitbake with -09 or such... Jul 27 07:10:24 LOL "compile bitbake" Jul 27 07:10:58 koen: you never know what they're up to Jul 27 07:11:26 koen: I've heard that the boxed Gentoo version comes with free RFID tags Jul 27 07:11:57 koen: I use -O11 coz Im 1337 Jul 27 07:13:07 zecke: yah. glibc has the --enable-omitfp option to support people like that. Jul 27 07:13:20 it compiles everything with -O99 and generates a broken binary. Jul 27 07:13:29 http://funroll-loops.org/ Jul 27 07:17:09 * XorA boggles Jul 27 07:17:35 koen: is that behind a broken router (in regard to ECN?) Jul 27 07:18:23 zecke_: que? Jul 27 07:18:37 koen: funroll-loops.org Jul 27 07:19:14 zecke_: no idea Jul 27 07:19:26 someone mentiod the url months ago here Jul 27 07:21:06 koen: I have not been able to view that site for month Jul 27 07:21:27 zecke_: I bet your firewall runs gentoo ;) Jul 27 07:28:39 that site is great Jul 27 07:35:00 XorA: http://www.stephaniemiller.com/declarationofrevocation.htm is even greater Jul 27 07:35:49 koen: :-D Jul 27 07:37:09 koen: yeah they blacklisted that url in my emerge konqueror Jul 27 07:42:01 koen: that is a classic! Jul 27 07:42:07 2816 root 5 -10 679m 273m 712 S 1.3 36.1 50:35.75 Xorg Jul 27 07:42:11 WTF?? Jul 27 07:45:05 rwhitby: does it work now? Jul 27 07:48:14 [Wed Jul 27 16:49:25 2005] tinder.cgi: Error in updatefile: /data/tinderbox2/data_dir/OpenEmbeddedBuild/db/Build.Update..Unslung.1122440869, starttime: 0, is not a valid time. at /data/tinderbox2/lib/TinderDB/Build.pm line 998. Jul 27 07:52:15 koen: I have no idea why that is Jul 27 07:55:06 when it happened to me, it was because BUILDSTART wasn't defined Jul 27 08:14:09 zecke_: I just sent an update to oe@ Jul 27 08:16:11 lol http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/cgi-bin//gunzip.cgi?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuild&brief-log=1122474610.11359#35891 Jul 27 08:16:56 heh Jul 27 08:17:23 morning Jul 27 08:17:54 hey chouimat Jul 27 08:18:44 his computer even swaps with +1 gig of ram Jul 27 08:18:59 chouimat: congrats on not falling viKtim to the badspelling disease Jul 27 08:19:17 koen: hmmm? Jul 27 08:19:45 m.2 instead of "some word misspelt by putting a K in it" Jul 27 08:20:18 koen: find the pun in it :) Jul 27 08:21:28 I could see the pun in mr2, but m point deux..... Jul 27 08:21:57 * koen is probably thinking too difficult Jul 27 08:22:23 koen: it's a pretty obscure one ... since m.2 is pronounced me too ... Jul 27 08:22:33 aha Jul 27 08:23:07 * koen waits for someone to add amaroK to OE Jul 27 08:23:27 koen: and I doubt a lot of people have seem a dvorak keyboard Jul 27 08:27:55 Heh Jul 27 08:28:02 Our techwriter at a old company used dvorak Jul 27 08:28:23 he taught us all the hot-key combination to switch to qwerty if we ever needed to use his computer Jul 27 08:32:51 koen: after or before the day kde uses the stock libtool? Jul 27 08:33:52 zecke_: after kdelibs isn't 3GB in size, but split up Jul 27 08:34:07 but I shouldn't comment on a perfect framework :) Jul 27 08:34:45 since OSX beats both gnome and KDE with a big herring Jul 27 08:35:45 and GNOME fails miserable add copying the GUI paradigms Jul 27 08:36:09 From put the default button right -> (GNOMIfication) put the ok button right Jul 27 08:36:15 and such stupid things... Jul 27 08:36:32 * koen hasn't used gnome in months Jul 27 08:37:16 it's funny to read p.g.o and pk.o and see how much duplication exists Jul 27 08:40:03 koen: one side is doing it because they're interested and find it challenging Jul 27 08:40:13 koen: the oder side is doing it for $$$ Jul 27 08:40:28 zecke_: ? Jul 27 08:40:55 chouimat: I wonder how many Ximian/Novell employees would continue doing the stuff Jul 27 08:41:07 chouimat: with the same spirit as being employed Jul 27 08:41:39 zecke_: sometime spirit and being employed are not the same ... Jul 27 08:41:57 as being not employed anyway Jul 27 08:42:37 zecke_: sooner or later all core-devs will get employed by $company to work on their projects Jul 27 08:42:49 or they remain student for some more time ;) Jul 27 08:43:10 pb_: does oesources.org do SVN tarballs too? Jul 27 08:43:35 koen: I do not see the first point yet Jul 27 08:43:44 koen: staying at uni is more likely... Jul 27 08:44:11 CosmicPenguin: I have no idea. You'd have to talk to Greg. Jul 27 08:44:18 pb_: oh, I thought that was yours.. :) Jul 27 08:44:19 sorry Jul 27 08:44:23 * CosmicPenguin throws things at treke Jul 27 08:46:17 chouimat: did you see the basyskom.de website yet? Jul 27 08:48:07 a little Jul 27 08:50:13 chouimat: that is something that annoys me about all "OpenSource" companies Jul 27 08:50:31 chouimat: she is doing a tremendous job for KDE no doubt about that... Jul 27 08:59:59 zecke_: ahhh the voip thing for kde Jul 27 09:01:41 embedded systems are like fruit? Jul 27 09:01:59 zecke_: it seems to be like some cult with all those mantras ;) Jul 27 09:04:42 bye Jul 27 09:16:16 woah Jul 27 09:16:36 it seems developers a *obliged* to check forums for bugs Jul 27 09:16:52 we'd better close down bugzilla Jul 27 09:17:09 ~lart forums Jul 27 09:17:09 * ibot pushes the wall down onto forums whilst whistling innocently Jul 27 09:17:35 ~lart Gentoo for making people think forums are acceptable Jul 27 09:17:35 * ibot calls Gentoo on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for making people think forums are acceptable Jul 27 09:27:57 * JustinP thinks we should just put a big notice on every forum post page that says: BUGS go in BUGZILLA Jul 27 09:28:08 at least for the OESF forums Jul 27 09:30:34 JustinP: no, they'll just compare you to derek smart, and ignore you Jul 27 09:30:39 justinp: that's certainly one option Jul 27 09:31:02 another would be to just ignore the forums if they upset you Jul 27 09:32:39 derek smart? Jul 27 09:32:48 * RP tries to ignore them... Jul 27 09:33:02 JustinP: a professional flamer Jul 27 09:33:18 JustinP: btw look in spitz.conf in conf/machine Jul 27 09:33:29 that should include stuff which include modules Jul 27 09:33:49 * koen|food notes that IRC isn't a bugtracker either ;) Jul 27 09:34:52 so those madules should go in BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS? Jul 27 09:34:59 do the GPE/Opie images inherit bootstrap? Jul 27 09:39:56 koen|food: I'm not using IRC as a bugtracker. The point, though, is that the forums are generally a user thing. Users help other users and it becomes a set of hacks that are not sent upsteram. Jul 27 09:40:38 I can understand this a little for the Zaurus as the default ROM is the Sharp ROM and you *can't* send thing supstream. People get used to hacking their default ROM and then reralize there's a new thing. They stick with what they know. Jul 27 09:40:57 However, putting a prominent message somewhere telling them to file bug reports would be useful IMHO. Jul 27 09:41:41 I sort of agree with him - let people know its unlikely that they can post a bug to the forum and expect it to get addressed Jul 27 09:41:42 yeah, the gpe image includes task-bootstrap. I think the opie one does as well. Jul 27 09:43:02 CosmicPenguin: I also don't mind users helping other users in the forums. But if they find a solution they should still post a bug and report the fix so that it gets included. Jul 27 09:43:22 pb_: thanks. I'm still not sure why the GPE image doesn't include *ipkg*, though....isn't that kind of standard? Jul 27 09:43:47 yeah Jul 27 09:43:56 if it's not getting included, that's a bug. ipkg should be in task-bootstrap. Jul 27 09:44:07 check the Depends on that package to find out what's up. Jul 27 09:45:27 good morning Jul 27 09:45:36 mickeyl: good morning Jul 27 09:45:53 mickeyl: good morning. I'm plugging in my serial cable right now. It's a damn SerialIO cable, though, so it's only 1-way... Jul 27 09:46:16 JustinP: it might be my EQUIPMENT goofup that prevented the boot Jul 27 09:46:25 EQUIPMENT? Jul 27 09:46:27 pretty unlikely though Jul 27 09:46:43 ya, I swapped the EQUIPMENT part of the CMDLINE Jul 27 09:46:47 by accident Jul 27 09:48:05 JustinP: I have a serialIO cable yet it works both ways. Make sure hardware flow control is off... Jul 27 09:48:12 hey RP Jul 27 09:48:16 hi mickeyl Jul 27 09:48:41 RP: it's off....I tried everything I could and I could only get data from the Z to the PC, not the other way around. Someone else told me that it was a voltage problem. Jul 27 09:48:46 RP: note, this is with a C3000 Jul 27 09:49:20 JustinP: Ah. A voltage issue sounds likely :-/ Jul 27 09:50:49 mickeyl: straight from the Serial connection with the new kernel: Jul 27 09:50:50 COMMANDLINE= console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(sm Jul 27 09:50:50 f),5120k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete EQUIPMENT=4 LOGOLANG=1 Jul 27 09:50:51 DEFYEAR=2005 LOGO=1 LAUNCH=q Jul 27 09:51:47 that looks good Jul 27 09:51:49 so far Jul 27 09:51:56 well thats all I get Jul 27 09:51:59 wow Jul 27 09:52:02 that's not much then Jul 27 09:52:03 (and all the normal serial output) Jul 27 09:52:15 OZ logo and blinking cursor on the Z Jul 27 09:52:20 hmm Jul 27 09:52:34 uh oh Jul 27 09:52:41 * mickeyl idea Jul 27 09:52:59 this is the pivotboot image you flashed right? Jul 27 09:53:03 yep Jul 27 09:53:07 my own version of it, actually Jul 27 09:53:14 pivots to /dev/hda6 Jul 27 09:53:26 otherwise pretty much the same Jul 27 09:53:36 hmm no, it should work then Jul 27 09:53:44 init not even starting? Jul 27 09:53:50 nope Jul 27 09:53:54 no output whatsoever Jul 27 09:54:27 odd. ok, i need to try that myself Jul 27 09:54:30 flashing only the upgrades kernel or original spitz kernel makes ti all work again Jul 27 09:54:45 hmm Jul 27 09:54:49 there are two differences left Jul 27 09:55:04 can you rebuild the kernel with another command line? Jul 27 09:55:08 ok Jul 27 09:55:14 the one we had in the defconfig before we overwrote it? Jul 27 09:55:48 "before we overwrote it"? Jul 27 09:57:32 if only there were an easy way to see file revisions.... Jul 27 09:57:33 http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=f7914a228f685b9a242fcd8550ccf8d2059a7c71 Jul 27 09:58:05 this was the revision where coredump changed it Jul 27 09:58:16 try using the previous revision Jul 27 09:58:24 of the bbfile and the defconfig Jul 27 09:59:02 previous to that revision? Jul 27 09:59:06 yes Jul 27 09:59:16 a95d54678e4aaa71ed77abebcd3ef04134b0ddb9 Jul 27 09:59:28 ok Jul 27 09:59:53 BTW, the only difference in that CMDLINE to the one I see from serial is RESET_RTC=1 is in the old one but not the new one Jul 27 10:00:13 interestingly you have DEFYEAR=2005 although in the bbfile i see 2006 Jul 27 10:01:00 and the bb file also has EQUIPMENT=0 for spitz, not 4 Jul 27 10:01:25 hey mickeyl Jul 27 10:01:41 JustinP: my note was on me using IRC to address your bug Jul 27 10:02:04 koen: oh Jul 27 10:06:29 hi koen Jul 27 10:07:02 mickeyl: you do know CIA notifies us when you commit stuff during Ph.D. time ? Jul 27 10:07:03 :P Jul 27 10:07:17 heh Jul 27 10:07:19 i feared that Jul 27 10:07:37 then again, i won't stop reading mail Jul 27 10:07:57 and when I saw that mail about the non booting spitz I needed to take a look :) Jul 27 10:09:33 JustinP: console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),5120k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete RTC_RESET=1 EQUIPMENT=4 LOGOLANG=1 DEFYEAR=2005 LOGO=1 LAUNCH=q Jul 27 10:09:39 this is the original line Jul 27 10:09:56 bbl, need to appear on a birthday party Jul 27 10:10:22 has anyone found the reason for the new kernel not booting on the 5500? I think it's been narrowed down to a module problem. Jul 27 10:11:36 mickeyl|bbl: yep, reverting that line worked. I'm going to try playing with the newer stuff Jul 27 10:13:22 bipolar: not that I know os Jul 27 10:26:05 * JustinP updated his monotone... Jul 27 10:26:07 updates Jul 27 10:26:52 o.22 released? Jul 27 10:27:43 no, I mean my rep Jul 27 10:27:57 ository Jul 27 10:27:58 ah, ok Jul 27 10:29:25 hmmm... interesting Jul 27 10:29:32 site config file parsing broke somewhere Jul 27 10:29:58 Ahhh, crapopla Jul 27 10:29:59 no it didn't Jul 27 10:30:04 * CosmicPenguin smacks same self over the head Jul 27 10:34:00 mickeyl|bbl: I hadn't updated since you fixed the akita/spitz EQUIPMENT settings, but regardless I'm still getting a different CMDLINE than I expect...2005 vs 2006 and such Jul 27 10:40:58 mickeyl|bbl: yep, somethign is seriously wrong....the .config in the work dir has the 2006 entry but the one from the serial console does not Jul 27 10:41:02 (well it has 2005) Jul 27 10:42:17 that's thew only content difference except that the opdering is very different Jul 27 10:54:13 mickeyl: I don't think do_configure_prepend was being called. I added a Jul 27 10:54:25 "cp" to see what the config file looked like and it didn't happen Jul 27 10:59:10 mickeyl: I added "addtask configure_prepend before do_configure after do_patch" to the bb file and configure_prepend is now called but the serial output still shows DEFYEAR=2005. Also, the RTC_RESET is disappeared again. I don't know what else to try. Jul 27 11:06:47 * koen runs a tinderbuild in a loop Jul 27 11:15:15 * koen wonders how zecke_ manages to build h3900 when initscripts for arm is broken Jul 27 11:16:52 also broken for Zaurii Jul 27 11:16:53 ? Jul 27 11:17:20 I think only for h3900, h3600 and ipaq-pxa-270 Jul 27 11:17:26 but I'm not entirely sure Jul 27 11:56:08 howdy people Jul 27 11:56:14 i'm in Boxtel at What the Hack now Jul 27 12:03:39 hi Jul 27 12:13:04 hey mithro Jul 27 12:30:59 hey koen Jul 27 12:31:06 how goes the new tinkerbox :P Jul 27 12:31:13 pretty good Jul 27 12:31:26 I'm starting to dislike the color red :) Jul 27 12:31:35 koen: he he :P Jul 27 12:31:55 well i'm off to dinner Jul 27 12:31:56 bblr Jul 27 12:32:05 errs: 7943 Jul 27 12:32:10 mithro: bon appetit Jul 27 12:32:58 to do pull from monotone.vanille.de we need this older monotone version? Jul 27 12:33:14 0.20 and 0.21 work Jul 27 12:33:40 heeh... my debian stable installed 0.18 Jul 27 12:33:56 gints|home: you need it from unstable Jul 27 12:34:20 ok... thks... Jul 27 12:35:10 btw moved from mandrake to debian sarge and now I am happy Jul 27 12:42:59 koen: what was the name of you monotone server? Jul 27 12:43:21 vanille.de refuse to connect again Jul 27 12:43:26 ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl or dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Jul 27 12:44:14 thx Jul 27 12:44:18 hrw: true I found that too :) Jul 27 12:44:57 hrw: remember to specify the branches Jul 27 12:45:16 monotone: warning: protocol error while processing peer ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl: 'received network error: access to branch 'org.openembedded.koen' denied by server Jul 27 12:45:20 forgot;( Jul 27 12:45:23 koen: your server does not allow anonymous? Jul 27 12:45:32 it should allow it Jul 27 12:45:54 gints|hone: use the right branch string when pulling Jul 27 12:46:09 gints|home: "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox,nslu2-linux}" Jul 27 12:46:32 if you have the koen branch you should remove it from your DB Jul 27 12:46:52 unless your name is koen ;) Jul 27 12:47:02 :) Jul 27 12:47:31 are you sure koen? Jul 27 12:47:32 :) Jul 27 12:47:37 true Jul 27 12:50:40 hmmm.... Jul 27 12:51:14 I do not know what I am doing now but *.dev is fetching somthing... Jul 27 12:51:29 gints: I told you, use the string I gave you Jul 27 12:51:33 SO the only way to know if a ipkg is built for uclibc or glibc is to grok the dependancies? Jul 27 12:51:45 gints: monotone pull monotone.vanille.de "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox,nslu2-linux}" Jul 27 12:51:45 CosmicPenguin: sort off Jul 27 12:51:58 CosmicPenguin: just like hardfloat/softfloat Jul 27 12:52:01 heh Jul 27 12:52:04 * CosmicPenguin fears for his users Jul 27 12:52:14 Somebody is going to grab the wrong feed and then yell at me for it Jul 27 12:52:17 I can just see it now Jul 27 12:52:40 :) Jul 27 12:53:26 use BIG BOLD LETTERS in the manual Jul 27 12:53:53 CosmicPenguin: don't expose the feeds in the same place. Jul 27 12:54:11 Yeah - but thats not pratical Jul 27 12:54:16 why not? Jul 27 12:54:17 CosmicPenguin: and introduce the fact subtly to your boss Jul 27 12:54:26 put them in seperate dirs and don't let people navigate around to them Jul 27 12:54:41 give them seperate URLs Jul 27 12:54:48 Well, obviously they're going to be in seperate dirs - and thus have seperate urls Jul 27 12:54:50 seperate domain names, even Jul 27 12:54:58 See, like I said, thats just not pratical Jul 27 12:55:01 I mean that you shouldn't expose the same people to both Jul 27 12:55:04 or worth the effort Jul 27 12:55:17 no, seperate domain names can be done on one Apache server with very minimal setup Jul 27 12:55:41 dontusethisfeedsifyouhaveglibc.amd.com Jul 27 12:55:41 I didn't say it wasn't easy, i said it wasn't pratical Jul 27 12:56:03 I understand that you would be confused - most open source developers have trouble telling the difference between the two Jul 27 12:56:13 Myself included, most of the time Jul 27 12:56:32 CosmicPenguin: why do you think I'm confused? *I* know that uclibc and glibc can't go together. Jul 27 12:56:52 CosmicPenguin: and I don't understand how it wouldn't be practical Jul 27 12:57:16 CosmicPenguin: is targetos encoded into the ipkgs? Jul 27 12:57:16 use a special domain name and/or directory for each type of build, give them unique names of some kind Jul 27 12:57:25 machine-based names if you can Jul 27 12:58:15 CosmicPenguin: or fiddle with arch Jul 27 12:58:37 JustinP: your given string means fetch all thease branches in brackets? Jul 27 12:58:44 meh - just an observation - though groking arch may be a good long term solution Jul 27 12:59:15 monotone: allowed anonymous read permission for 'org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox,nslu2-linux}' excluding '' Jul 27 12:59:35 gints|home: use the command I gave you exactly. Yes, it pulls the specified branches. The koen branch is no longer distributed. Jul 27 12:59:55 koen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/openembedded$ while true ; do mt --db=/data/build/oe/OE.db serve ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox,nslu2-linux}" ; done Jul 27 13:00:03 well, you may need to add a --db=nameofdb to it Jul 27 13:00:17 it only servers those 3 branches Jul 27 13:00:41 and it only pulls/syncs/pushes those 3 to other servers Jul 27 13:00:48 argh, ppp is failing all of a sudden Jul 27 13:01:42 JustinP: db is added.. Jul 27 13:02:12 * kergoth has a job interview tomorrow morning :D Jul 27 13:02:29 yay! Jul 27 13:02:45 Where can I see which glibc version I can use in my local.conf ? Jul 27 13:02:56 keturn: a real job or a 'wants fries with that'- Jul 27 13:02:59 job? Jul 27 13:03:02 ehm Jul 27 13:03:05 kergoth: Jul 27 13:03:11 * gerwinin wishes kergoth succes Jul 27 13:03:13 reasonable. not as high pay as my job with ti, but plenty consdiering my low expenses Jul 27 13:03:16 http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/e/b/eb1b615258c9706ef2d8b4657328cfb2@activejobs0&c=1&source=1 Jul 27 13:03:37 Oh, thats that same gig you posted yesterday Jul 27 13:03:40 yep Jul 27 13:03:41 kergoth: success Jul 27 13:03:45 should be fun - I want to find out what processors they use.. :) Jul 27 13:03:48 it opened up yesterday, sent a resume yesterday, got a call this morning Jul 27 13:03:52 * kergoth nods Jul 27 13:04:00 kergoth: good luck Jul 27 13:04:02 thanks Jul 27 13:04:18 * kergoth goes to do laundry and stuff so he'll actually have something to wear at the interview :P Jul 27 13:05:00 Koen do you know where I can see which glibc version I can use ? Jul 27 13:05:12 gerwinin: ehm... the default one? Jul 27 13:05:20 that's all I know Jul 27 13:05:29 Koen: I am getting an error with the default one Jul 27 13:05:47 Koen: a really weired one :( Jul 27 13:06:29 gerwinin: check you gcc version Jul 27 13:06:43 * koen stares at the red at http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/OpenEmbeddedBuild/status.html Jul 27 13:06:54 build, damnit! Jul 27 13:06:59 gerwinin: to see versions of any package, look into your checked out repository. The bb files have the versions Jul 27 13:08:17 koen: I'd be happy to set up a tinderbox for spitz OZ images. Of course I sometimes make local changes to my repo...I suppose I'd use the oe.dev branch for the tests Jul 27 13:08:36 JustinP okay I will try to use the 4.0.0 one to see if that works Jul 27 13:10:11 re Jul 27 13:26:20 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc437c9c7... 10/packages/gtk-engines/gtk-industrial-engine_0.2.46.0.bb: added gtk-industrial-engine 0.2.46.0 Jul 27 13:26:27 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc0c44670... 10/packages/gnokii/gnokii_0.6.4.bb: fixed SRC_URI for gnokii Jul 27 13:40:36 *yawn* Jul 27 13:40:43 ~lart ADV Jul 27 13:40:44 * ibot slams ADV against a large cement Tux Jul 27 13:41:12 hi mickeyl Jul 27 13:41:16 heya hrw Jul 27 13:41:20 mickeyl: hows your PhD? Jul 27 13:42:30 hmm... tough. I'm slowly realizing that I need to do the things in 8 months which I was supposed to do in the last three years Jul 27 13:42:44 ... instead of hacking on oe? Jul 27 13:42:51 *nod* Jul 27 13:43:00 sounds familiar ;) Jul 27 13:43:02 s/oe/oe,bitbake,opie,python,openzaurus/ Jul 27 13:43:38 it's not impossible to finish it in time, but it will be a hard schedule Jul 27 13:43:57 so i've decided to finally do what'm supposed to do during work hours :) Jul 27 13:44:13 and leave the evenings and weekends to OSS Jul 27 13:45:10 Hi! I have dealt with this problem before, but I forgot how... when I do a bootstrap-image, I get this: | ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied ... suggestions? Jul 27 13:45:19 ignore that Jul 27 13:45:22 it's not an irror Jul 27 13:45:25 error, too Jul 27 13:45:54 when bitbake bootstrap-image bails out for you, then you have a problem, but it's not that Jul 27 13:46:02 check the log for ERROR Jul 27 13:47:06 morning treke Jul 27 13:47:22 g'bye treke Jul 27 13:47:30 mickeyl: which log? the one in work/bootstrap-image ? Jul 27 13:47:37 yep Jul 27 13:47:50 $TMPDIR/work/bootstrap-image-*/temp/log.do_rootfs. Jul 27 13:47:55 ok Jul 27 13:48:22 mickeyl: same errors Jul 27 13:48:29 ? Jul 27 13:48:31 hardcore time... collie using Jul 27 13:49:01 check the log for real problems. ipkg not being able to open /usr/lib/whatever is not a problem. Jul 27 13:49:06 hrw: brave guy: Jul 27 13:49:13 pretty addicted to your c7x0 now, ye? Jul 27 13:49:16 someone has unneeded tosa? Jul 27 13:49:30 nope. tosa gets really used here:) Jul 27 13:49:33 mickeyl: that is where it is breaking. it says 'cannot create directory' and then says 'nothing to be done' Jul 27 13:49:48 and then An error ocurred, return value: 4. Jul 27 13:49:50 mickeyl: tosa with 2.6 on it would be better - I prefer portrait pda Jul 27 13:50:06 martin__: nothing to be done sounds good to me. i guess it would be wise to paste the complete log into a pastebin for anyone of us to see Jul 27 13:50:13 hrw: *nod* tosa w/ 2.6 would rock Jul 27 13:50:18 - wlan-ng :/ Jul 27 13:50:22 + hostap Jul 27 13:52:04 oh... there it is: Cannot find package task-bootstrap. Jul 27 13:52:04 flashed oz353 on collie, now upgrading kernel modules to r21 then will flash r21 kernel Jul 27 13:52:31 mickeyl: we should add PR into uname Jul 27 13:52:33 mickeyl: http://pastebin.com/322805 Jul 27 13:52:34 martin__: that would be a problem Jul 27 13:52:46 I did a task-bootstrap ... and it seemed to work Jul 27 13:53:04 seemed? Jul 27 13:53:11 I am trying a rebuild Jul 27 13:53:14 check tmp/deploy/ipk Jul 27 13:53:30 there is stuff in tmp/deploy/ipkg Jul 27 13:53:48 not much though Jul 27 13:54:16 ok. the task-bootstrap ipkg is there now. it was not before Jul 27 13:55:37 hah. I know the problem. For some reason I nuked the ipkg directory... now a bunch of stuff is missing. so do I delete the *package* stamps to regerneate them all? Jul 27 13:55:47 fsck... forgot to remove initrd before flashing;( Jul 27 13:55:48 yep Jul 27 13:56:23 mickeyl: that 'yep' for me? Jul 27 13:56:24 mickeyl: could you update python-pycurl and curl? Jul 27 13:56:34 martin__: yep Jul 27 13:56:39 hrw: k Jul 27 13:56:46 thx Jul 27 13:57:12 mickeyl: with the bitbake interactive mode, is it enough to type rebuild task-bootstrap or do I need to do a stage task-boostrap afterwards as well? Jul 27 13:57:27 martin__: rebuild will be enough rather Jul 27 13:58:31 cool. Thanks for all the help! Jul 27 13:58:46 what version of monotone do we need for OE these days? Jul 27 13:58:54 0.20 or 0.21 Jul 27 13:59:11 hey dirk Jul 27 14:00:14 hi mickey Jul 27 14:01:12 * koen|tv updates http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 Jul 27 14:01:22 flashed oz353 with r21 kernel.. Jul 27 14:01:43 *poof* Jul 27 14:01:55 or did the collie survive? Jul 27 14:02:01 so now anyone want to give me a quick how to use monotone tutorial or point to a link? Jul 27 14:02:31 mithro: oe wiki -> MonotonePhraseBook Jul 27 14:02:50 http://venge.net/monotone/monotone.html http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/MonotonePhraseBook Jul 27 14:03:17 mithro: download http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2, unzip it, add your key Jul 27 14:03:58 mickeyl: what's the subject of your PhD? Jul 27 14:04:08 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/i386-linux-libc-for-gcc = ----> do i need to linux-x86 here if I want to build for x86 ? Jul 27 14:04:12 that will save you some hours of monotone crunching Jul 27 14:04:29 do13: "Adaptive Middleware für spontan vernetzte Systeme" Jul 27 14:05:01 Ahhh Jul 27 14:05:27 mickeyl: are you the OE dev with the spitz? Jul 27 14:05:28 I'm workin on a reflective middleware architecture optimized for ad-hoc networks Jul 27 14:05:34 JustinP: that would be me Jul 27 14:05:36 No, hes thte one with the spaz Jul 27 14:05:38 tought so Jul 27 14:05:39 common mistake Jul 27 14:05:41 koen|ewi: you are not comming to WTH? Jul 27 14:05:41 *lol* Jul 27 14:05:52 :) Jul 27 14:06:17 mithro: nope, still doing uni assignments Jul 27 14:06:30 i just noticed that the OE was in nl Jul 27 14:06:36 because i got 6mb/sec Jul 27 14:07:00 :) Jul 27 14:07:11 basic idea is to incorporate different coordination paradigmes (tuple space, RPC, RMI, shared message queue) into one middleware that automatically reconfigures itself with the proper app interface and transport protocol bindings when necessary Jul 27 14:07:31 that's how i got into the PDA world Jul 27 14:07:41 I was bought an ipaq to experiment with it Jul 27 14:07:44 mickeyl: well I did lots of playing around and didn't get the "new" kernel working. BTW, I didn't pull the old bb file or defconfig, I just altered the ones in my repository as per the diff of the revision you showed me. I have no idea what's not working. Jul 27 14:08:28 JustinP: ok, fear not i'll try to find out what's going on. At the moment, I'm working on changing from pivot_root to a mount bind scheme. When that works, I'll look into the kernel Jul 27 14:09:39 mount bind scheme? Jul 27 14:09:47 mount -o bind Jul 27 14:10:08 so instead of pivot_root, mounting some directories individually Jul 27 14:10:14 you can switch around filesystems that way? Jul 27 14:10:17 mmmm.... Jul 27 14:10:29 Of course, unionfs is even cooler Jul 27 14:10:34 s/is/would be/ Jul 27 14:10:46 I would favor unionfs if it would be up to par Jul 27 14:10:54 You having problems? Jul 27 14:10:56 it has a lot of issues still Jul 27 14:11:02 OOPses like hell Jul 27 14:11:08 unreliable on our flakey kernels Jul 27 14:11:13 perhaps it's better on2.6 Jul 27 14:11:14 doh Jul 27 14:11:17 oh - heh Jul 27 14:11:19 yeah, probably so Jul 27 14:11:51 I'm big ;) pressed C+D using just one finger Jul 27 14:12:05 * JustinP doesn't see what would be so great about unionfs....pivot_root works just fine. I don't really need the "boot root" to be part of my normal filesystem... Jul 27 14:12:05 congrats :D Jul 27 14:12:09 did I hear lineo was downloading 2.6 patches for zauri? Jul 27 14:12:19 yes, that's what happend to do13 Jul 27 14:12:46 I mean the idea is cool, but I don't see how it would be all that much of an improvement Jul 27 14:13:14 JustinP: for devices with little flash and sd cards Jul 27 14:13:21 unionfs has all sorts of applications. not just the one you're thinking of Jul 27 14:13:25 what do i want to put my email address as? my normal email address? Jul 27 14:13:30 hard coded patchs, etc Jul 27 14:13:34 koen|tv: so pivot...I don't see the reason unionfs would be better Jul 27 14:13:39 python-inotify source MIA... Jul 27 14:13:44 once again, you're only looking at one use. Jul 27 14:14:07 JustinP: you want to keep your home dir (PIM, settings,etc), but want to use big apps every now and then Jul 27 14:14:08 unionfs can be used to facilitate a read only base rootfs (think non-spitz), avoid the ipkg symlinking mess for installs to external media, etc Jul 27 14:14:58 god i hope i get a job soon Jul 27 14:15:13 kergoth, hiya Jul 27 14:15:16 kergoth: decide what you want to do? Jul 27 14:15:17 ah Jul 27 14:15:22 or just "work" Jul 27 14:15:31 just "work". need money so i dont lose my car Jul 27 14:16:08 ggilbert: got an interview tomorrow morning for http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/e/b/eb1b615258c9706ef2d8b4657328cfb2@activejobs0&c=1&source=1 .. would be sufficient for the time being Jul 27 14:16:13 * kergoth crosses fingers Jul 27 14:16:47 If I lose my job here, I think I'm going to become a mechanic Jul 27 14:19:50 kergoth: good luck Jul 27 14:22:11 kergoth: good luck. And don't get eaten alive by all the mosquitos Jul 27 14:22:15 * JustinP is from MN.... Jul 27 14:22:22 hehe Jul 27 14:22:29 thats one thing i miss about texas, no mosquitos Jul 27 14:22:42 I don't miss anything about Minnesota Jul 27 14:22:50 where are you at now? Jul 27 14:22:53 I like western WA Jul 27 14:22:56 I'm in CA Jul 27 14:22:56 ah Jul 27 14:22:59 northern CA Jul 27 14:23:11 that's California, not Canada Jul 27 14:23:26 nod. i've only really lived in MN and TX, though i've spent a lot of time with relatives in CO Jul 27 14:23:28 I'd rather be in Washington, but oh well... Jul 27 14:23:31 * martin__ looks at his IP Jul 27 14:23:51 CO was ok....better than MN or AZ. But I only lived there a few months. Jul 27 14:24:43 i disliked the lack of greenery.. the only standing water other than rivers is fscking rezevours(sp?) Jul 27 14:25:04 ~spell rezevours Jul 27 14:25:05 possible spellings for rezevours: reservoirs reservoir's receivers receives revers Reeves receiver's reeves reserves revues reservoir rezones razors refers recovers removers relievers Reeva's reefers reeve's revue's razor's remover's reliever's reefer's reverser's Jul 27 14:25:13 reservoirs.. Jul 27 14:25:14 ibot: thanks Jul 27 14:25:15 de rien, kergoth Jul 27 14:26:32 wow Jul 27 14:26:42 I didn't know ibot was multi-lingual Jul 27 14:27:05 hehe Jul 27 14:27:14 mickeyl: how's the weather in frankfurt? Jul 27 14:27:38 I keep on having glibc errors while compiling for x86 Jul 27 14:27:58 kergoth: yes, it was much more of a desert than I expected. I like the greenery in WA. :-) Jul 27 14:28:08 :) Jul 27 14:28:17 Too much humidity Jul 27 14:28:46 do13: 20°, thunder just passed Jul 27 14:28:59 didn't really pour down Jul 27 14:29:14 CosmicPenguin: no, MN has too much humidity Jul 27 14:29:25 cu Jul 27 14:29:26 Anything more then 0 is too much umidity Jul 27 14:29:31 yeah, mn is really humid due to all the standing water Jul 27 14:29:44 I will spend less time evenings on irc in future Jul 27 14:29:44 i was amazed by how much worse texas was in that way, i expected it to be drier for some reason Jul 27 14:29:58 mickeyl: In nordhessen it's the same. There was a voltage breakdown for serveral seconds. Jul 27 14:30:09 kergoth: probably dryer in the less populated areas :) Jul 27 14:30:13 * kergoth nods Jul 27 14:30:32 like california Jul 27 14:31:24 yeah Jul 27 14:31:31 if you want no humidity, move to AZ Jul 27 14:31:36 nice and dry there Jul 27 14:31:44 mickeyl: sorry bout the spam Jul 27 14:31:53 I liked that better than MN honestly. I don't like humidity and heat Jul 27 14:32:02 Yet, you recommend Arizona? Jul 27 14:32:22 i thoroughly enjoyed avoiding the minnesota winters while in texas. i dont mind cold, but dealing with the snow is just one huge pain in the ass Jul 27 14:32:24 it wasn't humid in AZ... Jul 27 14:32:36 mithro: what spam? Jul 27 14:33:22 ahh it didn't get through anyway Jul 27 14:33:30 i stuffed up these commands Jul 27 14:33:36 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/MonotonePhraseBook Jul 27 14:33:41 ah Jul 27 14:34:34 re Jul 27 14:34:39 wb Jul 27 14:35:01 ty Jul 27 14:36:33 ok. so. I have a new machine, and a new distro. It is not building the python ipkgs... what do I need to add so the python ipkgs are built? Jul 27 14:36:56 "not building" meaning it fails? Jul 27 14:37:17 JustinP: no. they do not show up in deploy/ipkg ... I just want to know the 'correct' way of adding them Jul 27 14:38:27 I will go look at examples Jul 27 14:40:31 martin__: meaning thet are not built at all. You can add it to the RDEPENDS of your distro / image bb file Jul 27 14:41:08 mithro: welcome on board. Jul 27 14:41:44 mickeyl: if you get a new boot procedure working I'm willin to test on my machine. Jul 27 14:42:03 mickeyl: i'm going to go over and see the Wireless village guys Jul 27 14:42:09 JustinP: *nod* Jul 27 14:42:17 mithro: good plan Jul 27 14:43:00 JustinP: I'm building a standard image to see where we're atm. before further hacking Jul 27 14:43:30 mickeyl: which one? bootstrap, pivotboot, and gpe build as of yesterday Jul 27 14:43:37 but gpe is missing boatloads of files Jul 27 14:43:45 bootstrap is also prbably missing them, haven't checked Jul 27 14:43:48 * JustinP checks Jul 27 14:44:18 they are using OE Jul 27 14:44:27 i've just built opie-image and all the modules I expect are there Jul 27 14:44:30 perhaps your tree is outdated Jul 27 14:44:31 and are giving away hardware for adding stuff to OE Jul 27 14:44:42 so i might try and get some hardware :P Jul 27 14:44:43 no, I update very regularly... Jul 27 14:44:45 or you catched up in the middle while i was doing updates Jul 27 14:44:52 the opie image fails due to a missing ipkg.conf Jul 27 14:44:53 mithro: heh, cool! grab some for me as well Jul 27 14:45:02 JustinP: that's what i fixed Jul 27 14:45:06 oh...today? Jul 27 14:45:11 yes, early today Jul 27 14:45:14 or even last nite Jul 27 14:45:14 I see ;-) Jul 27 14:45:25 then I don't have it. I was testing yesterday Jul 27 14:45:41 :-) thanks Jul 27 14:45:45 np Jul 27 14:45:59 we were overriding BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_?DEPENDS instead of adding to it Jul 27 14:46:12 hence what package-ipk added was irrelevant Jul 27 14:46:25 aha....that would explain it Jul 27 14:46:28 that's why ipkg-collateral wasn't built Jul 27 14:46:32 hence no ipkg.conf Jul 27 14:46:33 * JustinP gets ready for the conflict Jul 27 14:47:35 * mickeyl tries to update our unionfs Jul 27 14:49:57 * JustinP gets no conflict.... Jul 27 14:51:35 ah, I was editing the machine file Jul 27 14:55:05 micky, off topic, but interesting - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050727-5141.html Jul 27 14:55:14 thought that might catch your interest Jul 27 14:56:01 heh cool Jul 27 14:56:02 thanks Jul 27 14:56:15 JustinP: eek, it's really hanging :D Jul 27 14:56:20 * mickeyl kicks the kernel Jul 27 14:57:44 mithro: keys added Jul 27 14:57:52 mickeyl: told you ;-) Jul 27 14:58:24 i wonder if it's just the order of cmdline args Jul 27 14:58:36 nothing surprises me with 2.4*-embedix Jul 27 14:58:57 * mickeyl does the battery thing Jul 27 14:59:00 mickeyl: actually, I *did* try to compile an opie image today. dies on ppp of all things. Jul 27 14:59:49 that's something else then Jul 27 14:59:52 ppp builds here Jul 27 14:59:58 could be anothe rhost library conflict but I don't think so, it doesn' thave a path... Jul 27 15:00:46 subdue: looks like we can flash beewoolies apex bootloader on the video ipod Jul 27 15:01:15 (http://wiki.buici.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApexBootloader) Jul 27 15:03:13 * mickeyl tries another kernel Jul 27 15:03:53 hmm Jul 27 15:03:54 very interesting Jul 27 15:03:59 it's definitly CMDLINE Jul 27 15:04:09 that was also my conclusion Jul 27 15:04:12 but i need some more tries to gather if it's the order or one of the arguments Jul 27 15:04:17 all hail lineo Jul 27 15:04:26 *sigh* Jul 27 15:04:27 ~lart lineo Jul 27 15:04:28 * ibot stuffs lineo into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it Jul 27 15:05:52 k, it boots Jul 27 15:05:58 hmm lots of 'pidof: not found' Jul 27 15:06:03 * mickeyl looks to the openslug folks Jul 27 15:06:35 ok. so. What is the 'right way' to get packages like glib and python to be build into ipkgs (and not necessarily be installed in the bootstrap image)? Jul 27 15:07:02 martin__: bitbake python Jul 27 15:07:26 alter your distro image to specify it Jul 27 15:09:06 your distro metafile specifies what gets installed in the image and optionally what are built as associated packages Jul 27 15:09:55 emte: would that be a file in packages/meta? Jul 27 15:10:23 try conf/distro Jul 27 15:10:39 sorry guys Jul 27 15:10:42 hey zecke__ Jul 27 15:10:52 evening zecke Jul 27 15:10:53 but packages/meta does hold some of that data as well Jul 27 15:10:58 emte: I looked... and only two list pythong Jul 27 15:11:28 mickeyl: hey Jul 27 15:11:42 martin__, do you know what your trying to do? Jul 27 15:12:06 emte: yes. I want ipkgs of python and glib to be automatically generated Jul 27 15:12:18 generated for what Jul 27 15:12:29 bitbake python-pygtk2 Jul 27 15:12:33 emte: I guess when I do a task-bootstrap and then a bootstrap image... Jul 27 15:12:45 emte: that means I need to add them to the distro conf file, right? Jul 27 15:12:57 distro.conf? Jul 27 15:13:06 that only specifies rules Jul 27 15:13:15 koen: no... my file I put in conf/distro Jul 27 15:13:18 you want to look in packages/meta/*image.bb Jul 27 15:13:23 Hey zecke dit you see my message on the mailing list ? Jul 27 15:13:24 ok Jul 27 15:13:47 yes you need to add that to your image metafile Jul 27 15:13:51 gerwinin: yes Jul 27 15:14:12 gerwinin: I've to check when I'm going to go to Nürnberg, but probably the 4th week will suit me best Jul 27 15:14:16 hail zecke double underscore Jul 27 15:14:18 * koen glares at bitbake master zecke for h3900 reddishness in http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/OpenEmbeddedBuild/status.html Jul 27 15:14:40 So angry Jul 27 15:14:41 zecke__: you're going to nurnberg kernel meeting? Jul 27 15:15:05 koen: OpenSync hacking at SuSE head quarters Jul 27 15:15:10 probably Jul 27 15:15:13 zecke__: ah, nice Jul 27 15:15:33 zecke__: fng_sma in #gpe is hacking opensync for gpe right now (google SoC) Jul 27 15:15:33 koen: looks like some idiot broke OVERRIDES? Jul 27 15:16:05 OpenSync is currently worse than KitchenSync. it simply hangs ;) Jul 27 15:16:45 I bet some masterhacking by crazy germans will fix all that :) Jul 27 15:16:57 anyway, mono sync better Jul 27 15:17:01 koen: Armin is scheduled to come as well Jul 27 15:17:11 right totally forgot about that Jul 27 15:17:20 koen: did you consider buying a Mono License yet? Jul 27 15:17:31 nah, pnet is da bomb Jul 27 15:17:48 they have someone working on an arm jit Jul 27 15:18:03 instead of claiming "real soon(tm) now" Jul 27 15:18:29 koen: we've to fix the error parser to see less errors... Jul 27 15:18:46 amusingly only lynx copes with the log files Jul 27 15:19:09 zecke__: that's 8k errors right up to *initscripts* Jul 27 15:20:01 zecke__: lets raise some VC, get filthy rich and start saying "anyway, OE is better" Jul 27 15:20:26 koen: I'm starting selling framed and signed tinder logs Jul 27 15:20:31 just image how much vla you can import :) Jul 27 15:20:52 koen: I would probably either move to Amsterdam or Paris Jul 27 15:21:33 either way you have access to lots of cheese Jul 27 15:22:03 hey mithro Jul 27 15:22:53 zecke: Paris is very nice but the night-life sucks Jul 27 15:23:41 mithro: you forgot... Jul 27 15:23:45 mithro: nothing ;) Jul 27 15:23:46 zecke: And the internet connections suck Jul 27 15:23:55 gerwinin: really? crap Jul 27 15:24:11 gerwinin: but Sacre Coeur is such a nice place to be at... Jul 27 15:25:14 zecke: well that is good? Jul 27 15:25:25 mithro: sounds like that Jul 27 15:25:35 zecke: hehehehe that is true but when you have seen that a couple of times :) Jul 27 15:25:40 pb_: do you understand the python based parser? Jul 27 15:26:03 zecke, zecke_, zecke__: more or less Jul 27 15:26:10 :) Jul 27 15:27:39 now I'm confused Jul 27 15:27:49 pb__: pb_ : okay Jul 27 15:28:04 one less Jul 27 15:28:18 now I'm really confused Jul 27 15:28:50 pb_: I would really appreciate you implementing the .= regexp in it Jul 27 15:28:53 * pb_ is now known as zecke__ Jul 27 15:29:07 zecke: okay, that should be easy enough Jul 27 15:29:42 pb_: at that point I will probably do another bitbake tagging and ask kergoth to put the tarball at the right spot Jul 27 15:31:14 zecke: but great news that there now is *one* syncing solutions Jul 27 15:31:36 solution* Jul 27 15:31:41 koen: don't use one and plural in one sentence ;) Jul 27 15:31:54 * koen blames Duvel Jul 27 15:33:23 * JustinP rebuilds half of opie because it they're all from CVS.... Jul 27 15:33:51 * mickeyl points to a fixed CVSDATE Jul 27 15:33:57 JustinP: do_configure_prepend() should always work! Jul 27 15:34:03 JustinP: or was that not you? Jul 27 15:34:15 i don't think it's the do_configure_prepend(), it's the cmdline as is Jul 27 15:34:33 mickeyl: is there any show stopper for bitbake shell? Jul 27 15:34:51 quirks, a lot Jul 27 15:34:54 mickeyl: probably I've not read the other parts too well Jul 27 15:34:55 showstoppers for a first release, not Jul 27 15:35:36 hmm... now that I have everything setup, python is not compling. the compile step complains about an error loading a shared library and that libpthread.so.0: ELF file OS ABI invalid Jul 27 15:35:40 mickeyl: we could put "Using bitbake shell could reduce the quality of your samen" Jul 27 15:35:46 mickeyl: as a warranty exclusion Jul 27 15:36:01 *cough* it's not _that_ bad Jul 27 15:36:02 heh Jul 27 15:36:36 koen: somehow the real error is missing in your builds?! Jul 27 15:37:09 zecke: missing alignment.sh Jul 27 15:37:28 ERROR: function do_install failed Jul 27 15:37:28 ERROR: log data follows (/data/build/oe/build/tmp/familiar/work/h3900-linux/initscripts-1.0-r51/temp/log.do_install.20469) Jul 27 15:37:31 | install: cannot stat `/data/build/oe/build/tmp/familiar/work/h3900-linux/initscripts-1.0-r51/alignment.sh': No such file or directory Jul 27 15:37:34 NOTE: Task failed: /data/build/oe/build/tmp/familiar/work/h3900-linux/initscripts-1.0-r51/temp/log.do_install.20469 Jul 27 15:37:37 NOTE: package initscripts-1.0-r51: task do_package: failed Jul 27 15:37:40 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Jul 27 15:37:42 NOTE: package initscripts-1.0: failed Jul 27 15:37:45 ERROR: Build of gpe-image failed Jul 27 15:38:07 can you check if TARGET_SYS is in overrides for initscripts in your config? Jul 27 15:38:33 mickeyl: ah you missed that ;) Jul 27 15:38:50 mickeyl: I changed from OVER_prepend = "KERNEL_VER:" Jul 27 15:39:07 mickeyl: to OVER := "K:$.." Jul 27 15:39:15 ? Jul 27 15:39:16 mickeyl: and TARGET_SYS at that time is INVALID Jul 27 15:39:20 aah Jul 27 15:39:23 ok Jul 27 15:39:25 * mickeyl leans back then Jul 27 15:39:29 mickeyl: this is why I asked pb_ to add the .= Jul 27 15:39:33 operator Jul 27 15:39:51 mickeyl: immediate prepend, without a space (in contrast to +=) Jul 27 15:40:09 i see Jul 27 15:40:11 sounds handy Jul 27 15:40:18 mickeyl: pb_ said he and chris had that in mind for some time already Jul 27 15:40:33 zecke: yes, that was me Jul 27 15:40:48 I *could* be mistaken but I don't think it was running Jul 27 15:41:40 mickeyl: opie-image is still failing for me with missing ipkg.conf.... did you check in your change? Jul 27 15:41:43 JustinP: you could try to compile your kernel with a known working compiler Jul 27 15:42:16 zecke: your wish is my command Jul 27 15:42:19 http://handhelds.org/~pb/dot.patch Jul 27 15:42:21 zecke: *what* the compiler in OE works just fine. Jul 27 15:42:38 JustinP: we got dedicated compilers for the kernel Jul 27 15:42:44 JustinP: did you rebuild from scratch? Jul 27 15:42:44 zecke: if I switch back to the previous CMDLINE stuff it works Jul 27 15:43:01 JustinP: dunno how they get selected but the handhelds* kernels are utilizing them Jul 27 15:43:01 JustinP: if not, then you need to at least rebuild task-bootstrap, since the dependencies won't change afterwards Jul 27 15:43:07 zecke: you talking about the "zaurus kernel toolchain"? yes, ti works fine Jul 27 15:43:25 * zecke larts firefox for opening pb_ patch in less Jul 27 15:43:25 zecke: of course I'm using the 2.95 toolchain.... Jul 27 15:43:52 JustinP: ah okay Jul 27 15:43:54 mickeyl: oh, no I didn't. Which package should I rebuild? I'd really rather not start from absolute scratch.... Jul 27 15:44:02 oh Jul 27 15:44:03 yeah, I don't know why firefox has started doing that lately Jul 27 15:44:05 thanks :-) Jul 27 15:44:11 it's extraordinarily annoying Jul 27 15:44:23 zecke: I'm updating bitbake and OE now every tinder run Jul 27 15:44:31 pb_: do you've Turing Machine that validates your regexp as well? Jul 27 15:44:42 that would dramatically reduce the work needed to review it Jul 27 15:44:48 mickeyl: *just* task-bootstrap, right? Jul 27 15:44:55 Solved glibc error now I got a gmp error Jul 27 15:44:59 zecke: regrettably no, I rely on empirical trials Jul 27 15:45:32 gerwinin: do use a NTPL enabled glibc? Jul 27 15:45:34 JustinP: clean task-bootstrap, then on bitbake opie-image it should build the missing stuff Jul 27 15:45:41 which is ipkg, ipkg-collateral, ipkg-link Jul 27 15:45:43 pb_: you tried to sneak a =. as well ;) Jul 27 15:45:54 add 'in' at your favorite place Jul 27 15:46:56 zecke: do you start from scratch with the tinder builds too? Jul 27 15:46:59 pb_: it is funny to read predot (in front of the dot) and read =BACKSLASH. Jul 27 15:47:08 heh Jul 27 15:47:09 koen: for now yes Jul 27 15:47:26 Zecke: how do I find this out ? Jul 27 15:48:04 zecke: I was thinking of emptying DLDIR too on ewi every run Jul 27 15:48:52 koen: you do not need to do that Jul 27 15:48:56 pb_: please commit Jul 27 15:49:08 pb_: if you feel bored update the manual as well Jul 27 15:49:21 oh, right, I do have write access to bitbak Jul 27 15:49:22 e Jul 27 15:49:24 mickeyl: thanks Jul 27 15:49:29 * pb_ does so Jul 27 15:49:36 gerwinin: there were some recent thread about glibc and weird errors Jul 27 15:50:07 koen: I want to let bittest run on EWI as well. This would find all missing sources at once! Jul 27 15:50:14 true Jul 27 15:50:16 koen: and it would save bandwidth again Jul 27 15:50:24 as well instead of again Jul 27 15:51:09 koen: I need to provide a small 'wrapper' around bitbake target to let it run in a loop Jul 27 15:51:28 while true do foo ; done Jul 27 15:52:21 koen: right Jul 27 15:52:28 HEy!! it ate my socks Jul 27 15:52:32 koen: just some monotone updating... Jul 27 15:52:39 ehm, 'while true ; do foo ; done Jul 27 15:52:49 ' Jul 27 15:53:20 zecke: mmm what should I do to not have this ? Jul 27 15:53:23 if someone feels lucky he could update the h3900.conf as well Jul 27 15:55:03 gerwinin: do you know "Pieter Grimmerink" he looks like having the same problem for x86 Jul 27 15:55:42 gerwinin: he needed to patch gmp for gcc3.4.4 Jul 27 15:55:51 brb Jul 27 15:56:12 whenever I create an image I get this: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x00000000006140f0 *** Jul 27 15:56:15 multiple times Jul 27 15:56:42 the compiles seem to work fine and this *only* happens during do_rootfs Jul 27 15:57:14 Zecke: where can I find his patch ? Jul 27 15:59:22 if there are problems with a package (like it does not compile), where can I complain about them, or find out if someone has already complained about it? Jul 27 15:59:39 I checked the bug list, and they were not there Jul 27 15:59:40 the mailinglist(archive) and bugzilla Jul 27 16:00:09 File "/data/build/oe/bb/bin/bitbake", line 927, in ? cooker.cook( BBConfiguration( options ), args[1:] ) File "/data/build/oe/bb/bin/bitbake", line 686, in cook bb.event.fire(bb.event.BuildStarted(buildname, pkgs_to_build, self.configuration.data)) File "/data/build/oe/bb/lib/bb/event.py", line 62, in fire if tmpHandler(event) == Handled: File "tmpHandler(e)", line 7, in tmpHandler File "", line 179, in tinder_do_tinder_reportImpo Jul 27 16:00:11 zecke: the patch is applied Jul 27 16:00:16 zecke: did I screw up bb? Jul 27 16:01:04 zecke: I get that after parsing all .bbs Jul 27 16:01:47 wheeee, I have a working opie image again Jul 27 16:03:04 pb_: thanks Jul 27 16:03:23 oh, GPE image...need to rebuild that too Jul 27 16:03:26 koen: no not your fault Jul 27 16:03:35 phew Jul 27 16:03:38 koen: it tries to import make Jul 27 16:03:39 * koen relieved Jul 27 16:04:55 * koen while true ; do sh tinder.sh ; sleep 1h ; done Jul 27 16:05:08 let's see what that does Jul 27 16:07:33 CIA-2: ping Jul 27 16:08:12 mickeyl: what do you think of (daily,weekly,monthly) exports of the OE tree? Jul 27 16:08:24 sounds good Jul 27 16:08:29 can you do that? Jul 27 16:08:34 s/you/your machine/ Jul 27 16:08:34 any volunteers? Jul 27 16:08:39 shouldn't you all be in bed? Jul 27 16:08:45 yeah we should Jul 27 16:08:50 in a couple of minutes Jul 27 16:08:54 hand me the scripts and I'll run them :) Jul 27 16:09:00 hah Jul 27 16:09:11 mithro: good idea Jul 27 16:09:24 yeah I'll move to bed Jul 27 16:09:36 mickeyl: monotone isn't fit for an svn gateway Jul 27 16:10:22 a proper gateway at least Jul 27 16:10:30 koen: just provide a rsyncable tree? Jul 27 16:10:36 koen: could you allow at? Jul 27 16:10:49 don't think so Jul 27 16:11:00 that even damn... lart me Jul 27 16:11:03 tarballs is the best I can do Jul 27 16:11:38 anyway Jul 27 16:11:43 good night all Jul 27 16:11:50 Mithro: Yes hehehehe but sometimes you want something that you want :) Jul 27 16:12:02 koen: I have a script to strip the keys from a monotone DB Jul 27 16:12:09 n8 koen Jul 27 16:12:20 or mickeyl: Jul 27 16:12:29 gerwinin: if GMP fails you need a patch, probably try asking Pieter Grimmerink for it Jul 27 16:12:34 it's simple but it works... Jul 27 16:12:35 n8 koen Jul 27 16:12:35 hmm... the oe mailing list seems very inactive recently... http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/index.html ... is that right? or the archiving thing is messedup? Jul 27 16:12:53 Martin I send today a message :) Jul 27 16:12:55 martin__: use gmane for archives Jul 27 16:13:02 kergoth: hey and bye Jul 27 16:13:06 hey, bye Jul 27 16:13:36 kergoth: I didn't find anything wrong with your resume, but I've no clue about possible content (this sentence was probably just void) Jul 27 16:13:45 hehe. thanks Jul 27 16:13:56 hmm Jul 27 16:14:10 http://pastebin.com/322985 is my export script if anyone is interested, Just have to replace my key with yours Jul 27 16:15:19 my keyboard tells me that if my computer didnt come with posture instructions i am supposed to contact my doctor for usage instructions .... i suppose that he would give better help than any MCSA/E help desk Jul 27 16:15:28 martin__: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded Jul 27 16:16:09 kergoth: found it. :D Jul 27 16:16:36 aw hell, xauth is failing patches Jul 27 16:16:48 okay cya Jul 27 16:16:54 martin__: :) Jul 27 16:17:09 JustinP: see http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/index.html, patch was mailed yesterday Jul 27 16:17:22 hi kergoth Jul 27 16:17:27 hey pb_ Jul 27 16:17:33 * koen|sleep really zzzz now (yes, hh.org archives have been fixed) Jul 27 16:20:11 koen|sleep: I've pushed a change that might fix tinderclient Jul 27 16:20:51 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r7f1a36bb... 10/conf/machine/ (4 files): zaurus machine confs: add console-tools and zaurus-updater Jul 27 16:21:06 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r94f303ed... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 27 16:21:06 openembedded/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Jul 27 16:21:06 -No reason to include 'make' from bb. Specially as it was Jul 27 16:21:06 removed some time ago... Jul 27 16:21:58 mickeyl: cya! Jul 27 16:23:00 g'night Jul 27 16:25:05 koen: thanks, I'm trying that now Jul 27 16:25:18 mickeyl|zzZZzz: sleep well Jul 27 16:28:54 so so quiet Jul 27 16:31:41 now that the big boys have gone to bed.... Jul 27 16:39:31 we make PUDDING!!! Jul 27 16:39:46 'sides kergoth doesnt sleep Jul 27 16:47:46 he is the vampire-king of OE Jul 27 17:10:17 hey gb2 you there? Jul 27 17:11:25 after an A/D aquisition you end up with a value in ADRESH and ADRESL ... does this mean the awnser is a 14 bit value? Jul 27 17:11:32 er 16 Jul 27 17:11:46 ... where did i get 14 from ... Jul 27 17:12:13 nm Jul 27 17:12:16 emte: yeah Jul 27 17:12:18 just figured it out Jul 27 17:12:21 lol Jul 27 17:12:22 ah Jul 27 17:12:22 heh Jul 27 17:12:31 i come back, start typing, then see "nm" Jul 27 17:12:36 lol Jul 27 17:12:47 what sort of project are you working on? Jul 27 17:13:00 yeah sometimes my bouts of insight come after i finish typing something Jul 27 17:13:22 an embedded gardening system Jul 27 17:13:43 i am doing the temp sensor part right now Jul 27 17:13:44 heh Jul 27 17:13:49 14bits of temp? Jul 27 17:13:52 * gb2 boggles Jul 27 17:13:56 that's a lot of resolution Jul 27 17:13:56 next is flowmeters Jul 27 17:14:06 i read that as flower meters Jul 27 17:14:09 yeah its a bit over kill for temp Jul 27 17:14:16 lol Jul 27 17:14:19 i'm a bit zoned out from work Jul 27 17:14:26 specific sensors are later Jul 27 17:15:03 i also need to reorder the mcu and hopefully the code is minor changes Jul 27 17:15:11 random sensors are really dropping in cost Jul 27 17:15:17 microchip depreciated the 8720 Jul 27 17:15:52 yeah, actually using the microchip 1047A sensors Jul 27 17:15:58 for temp Jul 27 17:16:16 trying to find a reasonable humidity sensor Jul 27 17:16:32 humidity is trickier Jul 27 17:16:35 yeah Jul 27 17:16:53 i am wondering if it mihgt be easier to fabricate one Jul 27 17:16:57 there are some cheap pressure sensors (remembering sketching out a weather station) Jul 27 17:17:06 wouldnt really be that hard ... Jul 27 17:17:37 i've thought of making some sort of accelerometer based toy Jul 27 17:17:45 lol Jul 27 17:17:50 i found a nice under $30 3axis accelerometer Jul 27 17:18:08 could always make yourself a sumo Jul 27 17:18:38 they arnt really my cup o tea but interesting none the less Jul 27 17:18:49 i was planning to build something involving LEDs, an accelerometer and inductive charging and then potting the entire thing in plastic so it would be sealed Jul 27 17:19:16 I haven't figured out how to make it cheap enough to be worth finishing my design yet though Jul 27 17:19:25 sounds like a promo ball i got from clearnet Jul 27 17:19:42 bit fancier tho Jul 27 17:19:42 yeah, except the promo things are designed to be thrown away Jul 27 17:20:09 probably a good market in baby toys for soemthing like that Jul 27 17:20:10 I also want to make a radio controlled cat toy Jul 27 17:20:17 lol Jul 27 17:20:30 our cat loves these miniature tennis balls Jul 27 17:20:38 i am trying to figure out how to make an rc module small enough for a matchbox car Jul 27 17:20:40 i want to make one that i can start rolling at a distance Jul 27 17:20:53 there's RC modules smaller than a dime Jul 27 17:21:01 the zipzap ones are too big Jul 27 17:21:08 yeah? Jul 27 17:21:15 lemme try and remember a link Jul 27 17:21:17 including the servos? Jul 27 17:21:43 been looking at pager motors Jul 27 17:21:44 well, that's harder, the radio part is pretty small Jul 27 17:21:51 that was my idea Jul 27 17:22:12 i'm planning to mount all this in a sphere anyway, i won't be able to do much for motion, just hoping to manage to make it roll randomly Jul 27 17:22:35 yeah thats not too hard Jul 27 17:22:41 gyro-cage Jul 27 17:23:24 put a few stops in the paths Jul 27 17:23:35 should make it random enough Jul 27 17:24:15 http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=334270&cat=1&itemid=418& Jul 27 17:24:24 this is the radio i found that looks nice to use Jul 27 17:24:56 nice ... old phreak hw Jul 27 17:25:17 sparkfun has a lot of useful parts and breakout boards Jul 27 17:27:17 i have my share of useless phreak hw now Jul 27 17:27:35 maybe i'll go to south america one day Jul 27 17:29:53 a bluetooth cat toy might have some appeal too, but those are a little larger Jul 27 17:33:53 yeah, i am not sure on the whole BT thing Jul 27 17:34:26 i am staying with IRDA for this project to avoid RF regulations Jul 27 17:34:43 cant afford the time or equiptment to test that Jul 27 17:34:58 well, mostly i'd do it since I have BT in my laptop Jul 27 17:35:02 so it makes it pretty simple Jul 27 17:35:17 I work with RF at work Jul 27 17:35:34 I do still worry about my coworkers hacking my mouse Jul 27 17:35:39 i use one of those logitech mice Jul 27 17:37:29 lol Jul 27 17:38:00 yeah ... there is a secondary reason as well .... Jul 27 17:38:29 emte: where are you? Jul 27 17:38:37 we plan to have kids in the future, they are actually recommending now trying to decrease childern under 5s RF exposure Jul 27 17:38:50 canada Jul 27 17:39:12 emte: i personally think most of those reports are on crack Jul 27 17:39:24 its hard to say Jul 27 17:39:52 there has been a recent increase in child cancer cases Jul 27 17:40:11 and we really dont know what RF level is safe for humans Jul 27 17:40:13 high power RF sure, but low power spread spectrum stuff, i highly doubt you can even measure any effects at all Jul 27 17:40:39 low power RF has been shown to affect developiong cells Jul 27 17:40:45 developing* Jul 27 17:41:13 if it can make it through skin or not is another question Jul 27 17:41:30 emte: there's more RF coming from TV broadcasts than from most of the stuff around the house Jul 27 17:42:07 we dont get much for broadcats tv here Jul 27 17:42:14 broadcast Jul 27 17:42:16 which city are you near? Jul 27 17:42:21 victoria Jul 27 17:42:37 maybe the heavy doses of RF will mutate them and give them super powers Jul 27 17:42:43 lol Jul 27 17:43:56 emte: there are FM broadcast stations near you Jul 27 17:44:43 yeah Jul 27 17:44:58 we def have those Jul 27 17:45:21 but cellular is probably by far the largest RF source here Jul 27 17:45:34 emte: i'm willing to accept your kid shouldn't be sleeping with a cellphone strapped to their head, but low power wireless emissions from wireless networks and cell phones around the house i don't believe are any risk, even the kid using the cell phone every few weeks isn't really a problem. Jul 27 17:45:41 emte: cellular is FAR lower power Jul 27 17:45:52 yeah Jul 27 17:46:04 a typical FM transmitter may be up in the area of 50kW Jul 27 17:46:10 (broadcast radio) Jul 27 17:46:45 a cell phone basestation in a rural area (high power) generally tops out at around 40W per carrier, and handsets max out at 200mW typically. Jul 27 17:47:46 my company makes cellular basestations, so i've been looking at this stuff for a while. Jul 27 17:47:54 yeah Jul 27 17:48:03 brb gf wants to borrow the comp for a few Jul 27 18:29:10 hmm Jul 27 18:29:24 we have the IR-scope in packages? Jul 27 18:29:50 be needing it soon Jul 27 18:30:06 btw gb2 you find that rc module yet? Jul 27 18:34:12 emte: oh, i was referring to the radio only really, sparkfun sells one smaller than a quarter Jul 27 18:34:31 emte: I haven't figured out how to do the motor units for my cat toy yet though Jul 27 18:34:45 emte: pager-style vibrators are probably the best bet Jul 27 18:39:51 yeah Jul 27 18:40:04 was looking a UHF module tho Jul 27 18:40:10 4cmx1.5cm Jul 27 18:40:30 they have a 1km transmitter for it :P Jul 27 18:41:09 and cheap as well Jul 27 18:41:42 http://www.oatleyelectronics.com/remote.html Jul 27 18:48:26 * chouimat is happy today Jul 27 18:48:47 get a raise? Jul 27 18:49:18 emte: no implemented M.2 (about 75% of it) today ... Jul 27 18:49:28 ah Jul 27 18:49:34 good Jul 27 18:49:56 * emte tries to remember what M.2 is Jul 27 18:54:26 okay bbiab, need to shutdown this comp so i can reinstall a laptop drive ... stupid laptop has no cdrom Jul 27 19:29:27 guess i need a new cd ... Jul 27 19:29:36 time to try etch anyway Jul 27 20:28:21 chouimat|Zzz: ping Jul 27 20:30:23 treke|home: pong Jul 27 20:31:06 chouimat|Zzz: what the fuck is m2? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 27 23:59:56 2005