**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 03 23:59:56 2005 Aug 04 00:01:02 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r403cac03... 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (4 files): updated kdepimpi to 2.1.18 Aug 04 00:09:58 good morning all Aug 04 00:47:39 morning Aug 04 00:47:59 hi XorA Aug 04 00:50:03 hey bluelightning Aug 04 01:04:44 morning all Aug 04 01:08:01 hey RP Aug 04 01:09:48 hey RP Aug 04 01:10:37 morning all Aug 04 01:13:39 RP: congrats on hostap Aug 04 01:17:04 XorA: Thanks :) Just pleased to get it working so I don't feel guilty about moving the versions forwards... Aug 04 01:18:11 hi koen, RP, ade|desk Aug 04 01:18:37 morning ade|desk, bluelightning Aug 04 01:20:36 hi all Aug 04 01:22:49 hey startoe Aug 04 01:26:51 got to shut down my machine to put a target harddrive in...c u a bit Aug 04 01:55:00 is someone working on a parallel bitbake? I could do with a speed-up :) Aug 04 01:56:09 hi morning etc Aug 04 01:56:15 hi hrw|work Aug 04 01:56:31 koobla: you could work on it Aug 04 01:56:47 koobla: People have talked about it and I have ideas on how to do it. We need someone with the time to spend on it... Aug 04 01:56:52 regexp suxx Aug 04 01:57:26 RP: i feared so :( Aug 04 01:57:46 maybe i can get a student do a project this term Aug 04 01:57:46 I have "[G pic_title | L G]" and "[G pic_title | R G]" - "\[\s?G\s?(\w+)\s?\|\s?([LRM]+)\s?G\]" gives me 1st but not 2nd - anyone know what is wrong? Aug 04 01:59:24 koobla: till the jobs get parallezid you can use PRALLEL_MAKE Aug 04 02:00:08 koobla: Having someone hack bbp into bitbake would also give a nice parsing speedup Aug 04 02:00:10 ~bbp Aug 04 02:00:11 bbp is probably A preliminary .bb parser written in C using 'lemon' for the parser. See http://projects.buici.com/oe/. Aug 04 02:00:34 hrw|work: That makes my head hurt ;-) Aug 04 02:00:35 oh - nice :) Aug 04 02:01:32 @parallel - not much use, need to get a hyperthreading machine first... Aug 04 02:01:59 I do see longer periods of low activity while scripts are prepared etc Aug 04 02:02:12 koobla: run fetch on one console and build on another Aug 04 02:02:43 koobla: it can be dangerous anyway Aug 04 02:02:52 hrw|work: i do 2 different builds on 2 machines at the moment Aug 04 02:03:10 one for gpe, the other for kernel hacking Aug 04 02:03:13 good morning Aug 04 02:03:28 koobla: Share the sources directory between them over nfs Aug 04 02:03:30 he Bernardo Aug 04 02:03:32 hi even :) Aug 04 02:03:33 hi Bernardo Aug 04 02:03:43 Bernardo: are you familiar with regexp? Aug 04 02:03:47 RP: that's what I thought of, yes Aug 04 02:04:12 hrw|work: no, why? Aug 04 02:04:20 Bernardo: I have a problem with one Aug 04 02:04:30 Bernardo: I have "[G pic_title | L G]" and "[G pic_title | R G]" - "\[\s?G\s?(\w+)\s?\|\s?([LRM]+)\s?G\]" gives me 1st but not 2nd - anyone know what is wrong? Aug 04 02:04:32 Would be cool if bitbake could take a _random_ task that is buildable -> less race conditions Aug 04 02:05:10 don't want to implement a whole file-based sync protocol Aug 04 02:05:13 hrw|work: looks like it should work, but since it doesn't... Aug 04 02:06:03 Bernardo: thats the problem Aug 04 02:06:28 koobla: bitbake is extremely linear at the moment and its an inbuilt part of the design... Aug 04 02:12:34 well, then I will stick to more pressing problems - can't get gpe-image built Aug 04 02:12:36 * koobla sighs Aug 04 02:13:31 where can i find gpe-theme-industrial? Aug 04 02:13:46 I don't think is is such a thing Aug 04 02:14:19 see http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/ipkgfind/result.phtml?query=industrial&searchtype=package§ion= Aug 04 02:14:58 thx koen -- gpe-image depends on it... Aug 04 02:15:19 will checkout the other branches and search for it Aug 04 02:16:02 according to http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/OpenEmbeddedBuild/status.html opie and gpe build fine Aug 04 02:17:06 strange... Aug 04 02:17:24 will dump my monotone repository then and start again Aug 04 02:18:35 need to read zaurus configs... (building for a different board) Aug 04 02:21:58 What do I set my MACHINE to if I wish to build for SL-C3100 or SL-C760? Aug 04 02:22:05 in local.conf Aug 04 02:22:23 ~c3100 Aug 04 02:22:37 ~3100 Aug 04 02:22:37 See http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/H3100 Aug 04 02:22:42 ~sl-c3100 Aug 04 02:22:51 ??? Aug 04 02:23:15 ~akita Aug 04 02:23:15 i heard akita is the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog Aug 04 02:23:18 aargh Aug 04 02:23:20 ibot, The page doesn't ppear to exist? Aug 04 02:23:25 what is the codename for 3100? Aug 04 02:24:05 breezy? Aug 04 02:24:10 ~breezy Aug 04 02:24:21 bSomething anyway ;) Aug 04 02:25:16 borzoi Aug 04 02:25:25 Why do you have to use dog names? Why not just the number? Aug 04 02:25:29 ~borzoi Aug 04 02:25:30 borzoi is probably the Sharp SL-C3100, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/borzoi.htm ) Aug 04 02:25:31 * arrummzen remembers numbers better than names Aug 04 02:26:11 c760 -> MACHINE=c7x0, c3100 -> create a borzoi.conf or hack akita/spitz Aug 04 02:26:55 Which Zaurii are akita and spitz? Aug 04 02:27:03 C3000 / C1000. Aug 04 02:27:08 Sorry, other way round. Aug 04 02:27:09 akita - 1000, spitz - 3000 Aug 04 02:27:18 * arrummzen knows OE doesn't support C3100 and wants to try to get a C3000 kernel to work on a C3100 Aug 04 02:27:25 11:23 < koen> ~akita Aug 04 02:27:25 11:23 < ibot> i heard akita is the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog Aug 04 02:27:32 ibot: 3100 is also Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 'borzoi' Aug 04 02:27:32 hrw|work: okay Aug 04 02:27:35 ~3100 Aug 04 02:27:35 See http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/H3100 Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 'borzoi' Aug 04 02:27:42 ops Aug 04 02:27:50 ibot: forgot 3100 Aug 04 02:28:07 ibot: 3100 is Ipaq 3100 http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/H3100 or Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 'borzoi' Aug 04 02:28:07 ...but 3100 is already something else... Aug 04 02:28:21 ibot: no, 3100 is Ipaq 3100 http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/H3100 or Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 'borzoi' Aug 04 02:28:22 okay, hrw|work Aug 04 02:28:26 ~3100 Aug 04 02:28:26 i heard 3100 is Ipaq 3100 http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/H3100 or Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 'borzoi' Aug 04 02:28:35 now better? Aug 04 02:28:43 hmm - monotone co oe.dev gives -> misuse: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads Aug 04 02:28:55 ibot: forget 3100 Aug 04 02:29:03 anyone sees the same? Aug 04 02:29:37 ibot: no, 3100 is a compaq iPAQ h3100 or a Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 'borzoi' Aug 04 02:29:37 okay, koen Aug 04 02:30:06 koen: I see one head on monotone.vanille.de Aug 04 02:30:17 hrw|work: me too :) Aug 04 02:30:26 great :) Aug 04 02:30:31 my db is broken Aug 04 02:30:45 koobla: mt merge then Aug 04 02:30:58 ok Aug 04 02:31:52 strange that the hydra propagated its heads to my local copy while the server db is merged Aug 04 02:31:57 Have any of you tried installing a kernel for a C3000 on a C3100? Aug 04 02:31:58 i _do_ regular pulls. Aug 04 02:40:03 arrummzen: give me 3100 so I will try Aug 04 02:42:02 I don't even have one yet. Aug 04 02:42:11 * arrummzen is planning on buying one tomarrow Aug 04 02:43:23 arrummzen: so you can be first brave Aug 04 02:46:29 Thats not really something I want to be. Aug 04 02:47:07 has sharp published the kernelsource yet? Aug 04 02:47:23 koen: no, ****ing ***** Aug 04 02:57:38 Should I set TARGET_OS to linux or linux-uclibc? Aug 04 02:59:00 linux would be the safest bet Aug 04 02:59:24 uclibc is nice for devices with <16MB of flash Aug 04 03:01:20 arrummzen: you wont fsck device anyway Aug 04 03:03:57 Why would I fsck it? OE installs a fresh filesystem doesn't it? Aug 04 03:09:42 arrummzen: you need to look up original spelling of fsck Aug 04 03:11:29 XorA, As far as I know its allways been fsck Aug 04 03:11:46 s/fsck/fuck/ Aug 04 03:11:51 now better? Aug 04 03:12:24 Oh! Aug 04 03:12:27 I see. Aug 04 03:15:11 oooooh hrw|work swore ... i'm telling on you! the teacher will be cross Aug 04 03:15:44 I wonder if it would be easyer for me to get Linux running on a subnotebook than a Zaurus... Aug 04 03:16:27 arrummzen: Zaurus has Linux preinstalled Aug 04 03:16:30 arrummzen: according the Unix myths and legends and biographies of the original writers the bootup sequence originally said "Fucking up your disks" but the suits didnt like that Aug 04 03:16:31 whats the difference between a subnotebook and zaurus these days ? Aug 04 03:17:03 zecke_, But the kernel sharp ships does not include my patchs. Aug 04 03:17:09 ade|desk: disk size? Aug 04 03:18:24 Bernardo: i can't think of many subnotebooks around, toshiba libretto ... and ..erm the ...er ... ?? Aug 04 03:24:28 * arrummzen wishs sharp would just give out the source code with the Zaurus on a included CD or something. Aug 04 03:30:34 Hi Aug 04 03:34:28 hi dirk Aug 04 03:35:00 hi RP Aug 04 03:37:27 do13: I've patched up 2.6.13-rc3-mm3 to work now and am looking at rc4-mm1... Aug 04 03:38:53 RP:Thanks. rc4-mm1 has the same bug? Aug 04 03:40:28 do13: Yes, I have an updated patch which I've just this second confirmed as working Aug 04 03:40:38 I'll upgrade to rc4-mm1 now Aug 04 03:40:54 The copy_user_page ..? Aug 04 03:41:04 Ah, no, I won't - SD is giving problems :-( Aug 04 03:41:30 My SD driver seems to do something different to the one in -rc4-mm1 - I need to find the difference... Aug 04 03:42:13 copy_user_page isn't a problem - there were some pagefault patches in recent -mm that break on arm :-( Aug 04 03:42:27 I have a patch to revert them in the patchlist Aug 04 03:42:57 If you bump the release number, you'll have one compatible with -rc4-mm1 Aug 04 03:43:18 If you disable a load of the merged patches and the sd driver, it compiles and runs (without sd support) Aug 04 03:45:19 I use the rc4-mm1 since 2 day. But I have some probs with AC97. Aug 04 03:46:41 Good news: I can read the battery level. Bad news: To get this working I used Liam's newest wm97xx driver, but this driver has broken PM Aug 04 03:46:58 I've started working on the corgi sound code. I have it using the proper i2c driver now. Next step is to try and seperate out the pxa i2s code... Aug 04 03:48:25 Are you using the OSS driver? Aug 04 03:48:36 Yes, its still OSS... Aug 04 03:48:47 I want to try and do things in stages... Aug 04 03:49:00 The wm8731 driver I'm writing should just move over to ALSA... Aug 04 03:54:48 Any ideas about sd SD prob? Aug 04 03:55:57 do13: Hopefully something simple that comparing my diff with Pierre's will reveal. Offhand, I really don't know. Can't be anything much as the patches are very similar Aug 04 03:56:29 Once that's in we can add handling for the write protect switch on the SD card Aug 04 03:56:48 That needs to be added to the pxa mmc controller code and then the platform bits Aug 04 04:04:15 morning Aug 04 04:07:42 mickey|zzZZzz: too bad QtE4 is still not compileable Aug 04 04:11:18 zecke_: why, looking at Sven's qt java work? Aug 04 04:12:31 not recently.. I'm still busy with Uni stuff Aug 04 04:13:03 Twiun: but tell me more Aug 04 04:13:20 zecke_: http://www.qc.physto.se/~sven/qtpeers/ Aug 04 04:14:04 zecke_: but he's been a bit busy ofer the past week or so ;) Aug 04 04:15:36 using Arthur/Qt4? Aug 04 04:16:10 * Twiun nods Aug 04 04:16:27 nice Aug 04 04:16:29 zecke_: so Classpath will have both GTK and Qt in the near future Aug 04 04:16:57 really awesome Aug 04 04:17:11 now we only need a Qt4 based Epicenter Aug 04 04:21:37 <__law__> has anyone tryed to compile hostap today? Aug 04 04:24:26 __law__: RP probably has, hes been working on it Aug 04 04:25:59 <__law__> XorA, i get an error if i try to build it ( *** Can't build for 2.4 with a non-2.4 source!) Aug 04 04:26:57 __law__: new one on me Aug 04 04:27:56 __law__: are you trying to build for 2.4? I always build for 2.6 Aug 04 04:28:12 <__law__> no i try it for 2.6 Aug 04 04:41:18 which 2.6? Aug 04 05:15:22 NOTE: fetch http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/rpextra_poodle-r0.patch;patch=1 Aug 04 05:15:26 14:15:22 ERROR 404: Not Found. Aug 04 05:26:36 RP: poodle does not build with it Aug 04 05:26:44 RP: but I think that we can ignore it? Aug 04 05:28:34 hrw|busy: I think it's trying to build 2.6 for poodle Aug 04 05:37:26 yep - I forgot to change MACHINE after last poodle fights Aug 04 05:55:59 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rd60d95bf... 10/packages/wakelan/wakelan_1.1.bb: Added wakelan package Aug 04 05:56:02 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r92c1dfa0... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add stuff to make wakelan magically appear in openslug feed Aug 04 06:03:48 __law__ clear out your staging directory - I'll bet you compiled a 2.4 kernel before this and there are some stray headers around Aug 04 06:04:16 hrw|busy: I thought that patch was no longer needed and archived it. I'll restore Aug 04 06:07:33 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r82254637... 10/packages/mutt/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Aug 04 06:07:33 mutt: added a version bump to 1.5.9i, changed to use gnutls added the Aug 04 06:07:33 sidebar tab patch enabled gpgme. Aug 04 06:07:33 Left DEFAULT_PRERENCE=-1 in case there are problems with new functionality. Aug 04 06:08:23 XorA: ever tried mutt-ng? Aug 04 06:08:29 hrw|busy: nope Aug 04 06:08:34 hrw|busy: never heard of it Aug 04 06:08:36 XorA: then look into it Aug 04 06:08:40 ~google mutt-ng Aug 04 06:11:42 hrw|busy: ah, no releases :-) Aug 04 06:56:59 brb Aug 04 07:14:23 re Aug 04 07:25:38 mädels listen: please try a recent bitbake Aug 04 07:25:50 I've merged protis old pickle_prep/unpickle_prep Aug 04 07:28:36 if thins go well CVSDATE and similiar are always current again Aug 04 07:31:34 current in what meaning? Aug 04 07:31:48 hrw|busy: CVSDATE used to be cached Aug 04 07:32:08 hrw|busy: now each bitbake run the 'current' configuration will be used again Aug 04 07:32:27 wow - nice - thats useful Aug 04 07:32:28 ah.. so when I cache it in 20050723 and will build today then it wont be recalculated? Aug 04 07:32:38 before those changes I mean Aug 04 07:32:43 right Aug 04 07:34:45 r307? Aug 04 07:35:17 right Aug 04 07:40:11 hi Aug 04 07:40:22 hey CoreDump|home Aug 04 07:48:51 <_law_> here is my hostap error http://pastebin.com/329226 Aug 04 07:49:31 _law_: works for me - today 2.6.13-rc3-mm3 and hostap 0.3.7 Aug 04 07:50:01 hi Aug 04 07:50:07 hi PhD writer mickeyl Aug 04 07:50:43 hi mickeyl Aug 04 07:52:48 ~lart gsview Aug 04 07:52:48 * ibot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats gsview until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with Aug 04 07:52:51 ~lart gs Aug 04 07:52:51 * ibot slaps gs upside the head with a wet fish Aug 04 07:55:52 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2ce5d57f... 10/packages/gs/ (gs_8.01.bb gs_8.16.bb): upgrade ghostscript to 8.16 Aug 04 07:57:04 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r558c10fd... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Aug 04 07:57:04 Add netpbm (missed out from packages before), add wakelan, clean up the Aug 04 07:57:04 .conf file (remove things which do not build) Aug 04 07:59:16 mickeyl: you really are turning the Z into a mobile book publisher Aug 04 07:59:43 PhD on a Z Aug 04 07:59:48 XorA: *nod* Aug 04 07:59:58 mickeyl: part for next OOO? Aug 04 08:00:11 i want LyX to be full featured. lyx, tetex, ghostscript, ghostview Aug 04 08:00:23 hrw|busy: it won't make it in time Aug 04 08:00:32 mickeyl: dviview? Aug 04 08:00:44 hrw|busy: i want to release OOO 2005.08 in august right after we tagged opie 1.2.1 Aug 04 08:01:17 mickeyl: so for next one Aug 04 08:01:37 XorA: good idea. will add that as well Aug 04 08:02:26 xdvi should be easier? Aug 04 08:02:28 mickeyl: last time I used LaTeX was on an Amiga 500 with 4 meg of RAM :-) Aug 04 08:03:17 heh. our devices should be able to handle it then Aug 04 08:04:55 LaTeX is the work of geniuses, while I had my whole dissertation on one 700K floppy, other people needed an extension to their 10Meg accounts for the word doc. Aug 04 08:05:26 *nod* Aug 04 08:05:34 ~praise Knuth and Lamport Aug 04 08:05:34 All hail Knuth and Lamport! Aug 04 08:07:28 and you are able to write it in any text editor Aug 04 08:08:11 umpf Aug 04 08:08:18 gsview needs gtk+ _1_ Aug 04 08:08:21 *sigh* Aug 04 08:08:45 heh Aug 04 08:08:48 gv needs xaw3d, which is a problem as well Aug 04 08:08:50 hmm Aug 04 08:09:01 can't evince handle ps? Aug 04 08:09:03 any other ps viewers? Aug 04 08:09:05 evince? Aug 04 08:09:07 * mickeyl googles Aug 04 08:09:23 oh Aug 04 08:09:45 interesting, although it's a GNOME app, so it will probably need a zillion of additional libs Aug 04 08:09:59 yeah Aug 04 08:10:12 but evince + libs is smaller as QT3 Aug 04 08:10:33 mickeyl: qvfb+qpdf2 ;) Aug 04 08:10:35 any C3000 users here, btw? Aug 04 08:10:43 hrw|busy: heh no kidding, I have qvfb running on the Spitz Aug 04 08:10:50 just compiled it yesterday Aug 04 08:10:53 :D Aug 04 08:12:27 mickeyl: http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=portedapps&id=land_6812 Aug 04 08:12:53 heh Aug 04 08:12:55 that's evince? Aug 04 08:13:03 is that in OE already? Aug 04 08:13:04 yes Aug 04 08:13:05 yes Aug 04 08:13:07 woot! Aug 04 08:13:10 ~praise koen Aug 04 08:13:11 All hail koen! Aug 04 08:13:19 * mickeyl cancels all work on gv and gsview immediately Aug 04 08:13:31 heh Aug 04 08:13:39 libpoppler has a qt backend too is you don't want to hit freetype bugs Aug 04 08:13:53 do you know if evince renders ps on its own or does it need ghostscript as well? Aug 04 08:14:00 (i guess the latter) Aug 04 08:14:10 I suspect the latter Aug 04 08:14:23 *nod* Aug 04 08:14:30 it has a evolved xpdf backend Aug 04 08:14:39 an* Aug 04 08:14:54 hmm Aug 04 08:14:57 evince_0.3.2bb Aug 04 08:14:57 LICENSE = "" Aug 04 08:14:58 ? Aug 04 08:15:07 ah yes Aug 04 08:15:19 it is one the remnants of my bk export Aug 04 08:15:24 * koen fixes Aug 04 08:15:24 k Aug 04 08:15:26 thanks Aug 04 08:15:35 * mickeyl bitbake evince Aug 04 08:15:54 my local bk stuff is now in monotone due to the nature of bk export Aug 04 08:16:16 * mickeyl slowly understands the fascination of pxaXrom Aug 04 08:16:32 quick someone cure mickeyl Aug 04 08:16:33 mickeyl: when opie/x11 then? :) Aug 04 08:16:51 hrw|busy: eventually Aug 04 08:17:01 probably late 2006 I'll start Aug 04 08:17:19 not sure if it will still be called Opie though Aug 04 08:17:21 heh Aug 04 08:17:29 <_law_> is it possibly to upgrade from mt 0.20 to 0.21? does oe repo work? Aug 04 08:17:34 mickeyl: fluffy Aug 04 08:17:40 _law_: yep. just mt db migrate Aug 04 08:18:03 <_law_> mickeyl: thanks i ll try it Aug 04 08:18:52 mickeyl: did you see the mails on a-d@ ? Aug 04 08:18:56 koen: yep Aug 04 08:20:29 hmm i need to do more work on lyx. for some reason it thinks it needs to reconfigure itself on every start Aug 04 08:20:36 which literally takes ages Aug 04 08:20:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5d55a16f... 10/packages/evince/evince_0.3.2.bb: Add license for evince Aug 04 08:21:00 anyone tried tetex yet? Aug 04 08:23:37 hmm either i'm doing something horribly wrong or my USB port on the C3000 is broken Aug 04 08:23:55 upon insertion of a stick _nothing_ happens, not even a small kernel msg Aug 04 08:24:03 hmm Aug 04 08:30:08 yo ar_ Aug 04 08:30:26 hey mickeyl Aug 04 08:35:44 koen: compiling evince espgs-native failes in staging here Aug 04 08:36:04 *nod* Aug 04 08:36:06 same here Aug 04 08:37:22 mickeyl: load usb-monitor and try again Aug 04 08:37:49 hmm Aug 04 08:37:50 * mickeyl tries Aug 04 08:38:08 usb-monitor or usbd-monitor Aug 04 08:38:09 ? Aug 04 08:38:11 oh, and the usb host driver Aug 04 08:38:16 usb Aug 04 08:38:24 no way with the ohci driver Aug 04 08:38:27 can't insmod it Aug 04 08:38:34 still the same "permission denied" Aug 04 08:38:46 __law__ clear out your staging directory - I'll bet you compiled a 2.4 kernel before this and Aug 04 08:38:46 there are some stray headers around Aug 04 08:38:48 you need it to mount a client Aug 04 08:39:28 * chouimat is away: errands Aug 04 08:40:01 * CoreDump|home wonders why akitas usb host driver works and spitz's doesn't Aug 04 08:40:51 CoreDump|home: because it is sharp kernel? Aug 04 08:41:33 ah right Aug 04 08:41:38 _law_: See my comment above Aug 04 08:42:38 <_law_> RP: i have removed everything from my tmp Aug 04 08:42:42 mickeyl: did you try rmmoding all usb related drivers before insmodding ohci? that's what works for me Aug 04 08:43:16 _law_: Which kernel gets built? Aug 04 08:43:43 A 2.4 and a 2.6 or just a 2.6? Aug 04 08:43:44 <_law_> latest 2.6 Aug 04 08:44:23 <_law_> it will take some hours and then i can say more :-) Aug 04 08:45:27 _law_: Ah, as in you've just cleaned - right. That will fix it. I did a complete opie and gpe build yesterday Aug 04 08:46:01 ~lart spitz for beeing a PITA in every possible way Aug 04 08:46:01 * ibot beats spitz into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy for beeing a PITA in every possible way Aug 04 08:54:20 anyone w/ a spitz running OZ here? Aug 04 08:54:51 ~spitz Aug 04 08:54:52 i heard spitz is the Sharp SL-C3000, or a dog Aug 04 08:54:56 I need the output of "mount" after pivot_root Aug 04 08:55:08 hmm Aug 04 08:55:16 no chance, it just doesn't work Aug 04 08:55:19 hmm Aug 04 08:55:25 usbh-monitor: hotplug script timed out Aug 04 08:55:35 mickeyl: I'm getting that, too Aug 04 08:55:45 interestingly i'm able to modprobe ohci if I have physically attached an usb device Aug 04 08:55:50 so the port may work physically Aug 04 08:56:26 mickeyl: ähem, IIRC that's the case on akita, too. Forgot about that, sorry Aug 04 08:57:02 load usb-monitor, then create /etc/hotplug/usbh.agent to load the driver Aug 04 08:57:20 plug in host-device and bingo -> USB host comes up Aug 04 08:58:24 usbh.agent ?? Aug 04 08:59:36 yeah, lemme check Aug 04 09:00:38 ? Aug 04 09:01:02 yep, I'll mail you an .ipk so you can check what I did Aug 04 09:01:11 I do know the akita loads "automagically" the usb host driver under sharp rom, as son as I insert a ush host cabl Aug 04 09:01:14 CoreDump|home: thanks Aug 04 09:02:15 CoreDump|home: do you have a idea on what parameter to pass to device_fd to indicate which filesystem should it expose as a usb "key"? Aug 04 09:02:37 I maen to storage_fd Aug 04 09:02:41 Bernardo: never managed to get that to work. It always used CF when I tried Aug 04 09:02:53 no clues from modinfo? Aug 04 09:03:28 there is a device_string, but 've tried passing /dev/mmcda1, etc. and it didn't work Aug 04 09:03:29 nope. stays silent Aug 04 09:03:57 Bernardo: storage_fd storage_device=/dev/hda1 Aug 04 09:04:47 CoreDump|home: those are the params you're passing it? Aug 04 09:04:56 Bernardo: yep Aug 04 09:05:15 never managed to get anything but hda1 to work though Aug 04 09:05:24 mickeyl: mail sent to your uni Aug 04 09:05:36 I've just managed to get a kernel panic on my akita, removing and reinserting storage_fd by hand... Aug 04 09:06:01 CoreDump|home: under 2.6 g_file_storage allow to export whole disk not only partition Aug 04 09:06:13 hrw|busy: cool Aug 04 09:06:59 CoreDump|home: thanks Aug 04 09:07:17 Bernardo: that's expected. that stuff is pretty flakey on 2.4 Aug 04 09:07:21 I've written a little script called "usbmode" to switch between host, net and storage. And after some hacking, automatic USB host detection works. Aug 04 09:07:53 handy Aug 04 09:07:56 we should incorporate that Aug 04 09:07:59 hacking = using usbh.agent + usb-monitor.o and usbmode to switch between modes Aug 04 09:08:14 just added "options storage_fd ..." to etc/modules.conf, will see if it works Aug 04 09:09:19 nope still get "please insert a disk in f:" in windoze... Aug 04 09:10:25 hi Dirk Aug 04 09:10:28 yo dirk Aug 04 09:10:51 hi mickeyl, hrw|busy Aug 04 09:10:54 Bernardo: is the partition you are trying to mount VAT formatted? Aug 04 09:12:59 yes Aug 04 09:22:52 * CoreDump|home installs altboot_0.0.1+cvs-20050722-r3_spitz.ipk Aug 04 09:26:21 Has the suspend/resume problem been fixed on poodle's kernel, too? Aug 04 09:26:55 no Aug 04 09:27:11 needs someone porting marcan's patch Aug 04 09:28:48 ah, i c Aug 04 09:29:13 one of our oh-so-many poodle people Aug 04 09:29:13 heh Aug 04 09:29:28 heh Aug 04 09:30:09 I take it "porting" as in adjust line-numbers won't do the trick huh? Aug 04 09:30:20 no Aug 04 09:30:23 it's another file Aug 04 09:30:35 perhaps also other labels Aug 04 09:30:42 :\ Aug 04 09:31:49 mickeyl: how do you guys feel if we add '/etc/syslog.conf' to the busybox list of config files (currently an empty list) and remove the ROTATE poo from syslog.conf? Aug 04 09:32:10 The ROTATE stuff causes busybox syslog to error out if "file" logging is used. Aug 04 09:32:15 good idea Aug 04 09:33:00 It seems to be the only CONFIG file in busybox. Aug 04 09:33:29 CoreDump|home: anyway both patches apply to poodle 2.4.18 Aug 04 09:34:06 they do? sweet Aug 04 09:35:27 iirc Aug 04 09:35:58 I'll have a look later Aug 04 09:41:42 re Aug 04 09:42:06 just crashed my work windoze machine twice trying to get storage_fd to export the sd card... Aug 04 09:42:14 "kmode exception not handled" Aug 04 09:43:15 i seem to trmemebr having to unset some env vars, one ebing QMAKESPEC, what were the other to check for? Aug 04 09:46:23 CoreDump|home: did you get my answer that my sd is formatted vfat? Aug 04 09:47:25 Bernardo: year, dunno why it stll b0rks :( Aug 04 09:47:46 eww nice spilling there Aug 04 09:47:57 hmm.. I need to backup my 64M sd card from collie - on vacations it will be storage for 25 photos ;) Aug 04 09:48:12 hey Aug 04 09:48:17 hi zecke Aug 04 09:48:36 which package contains gconftool ? Aug 04 09:48:42 hi zecke Aug 04 09:48:46 (native) Aug 04 09:48:55 256M sd in camera, 64M sd in husky, 256M cf in husky - whole storage for vacations... atleast one thing where spitz/3100 would be better ;) Aug 04 09:49:10 CoreDump|home: even stranger is that it kills windoze if I put the "options" line in modules.conf and reload storage_fd ans pxa27x_bi Aug 04 09:49:11 hi zecke Aug 04 09:49:19 hey zecke Aug 04 09:50:06 Bernardo: good old windows :) Aug 04 09:51:30 CoreDump|home: any news on altboot? Aug 04 09:52:25 JustinP: yes Aug 04 09:52:48 sec Aug 04 09:54:15 JustinP: http://hentges.net/tmp/altboot_0.0.1+cvs-20050722-r3_spitz.ipk Aug 04 09:54:41 but: You'll need to extract the ipk and _manually_ install the files into the flash FS Aug 04 09:55:11 ok Aug 04 09:55:21 or install it on a pivotboot image? Aug 04 09:56:42 2 heads: I'm fixing it Aug 04 09:56:42 JustinP: it will install but not work Aug 04 09:57:43 really....so you're saying that thi ipk is not installable? Aug 04 09:58:14 I mean I could add it to the redepends in the altboot image and have OE build me a new one....would this really fail? Aug 04 10:00:07 2 heads: now 1 (and .nslu2-linux and .dev are in sync with the busybox change to CONFFILES) Aug 04 10:00:24 thanks Aug 04 10:00:44 florian_kc: did perl work? Aug 04 10:01:29 the postinst requires a manual installer Aug 04 10:03:36 DaKa2: I didn't have time to test it, i hope i manage to do this later today. Aug 04 10:04:10 florian_kc: ok :) Aug 04 10:05:00 time to go... Aug 04 10:05:09 CoreDump|home: you mean user-interaction? Hmmm, interesting...I suppose the postinst will have to be altered specifically for spitz, then....maybe the whole install Aug 04 10:05:54 I'll commit a new altboot to OE later (pulling ATM). It's ready for Spitz Aug 04 10:06:12 300 revs to go heh Aug 04 10:06:59 ready for spitz but I can't install it?.... Aug 04 10:07:24 JustinP: .... ready for any needed modifications Aug 04 10:08:03 like a hacked postinst Aug 04 10:08:20 ok Aug 04 10:08:58 just booted my "wannabe" Spitz with this ipk Aug 04 10:09:37 I'm altering my init to optionally call altboot ;-) Aug 04 10:09:45 just in case it flakes or something Aug 04 10:10:16 there's always the built-in init=/bin/sh support ;) Aug 04 10:13:38 how exactly will altboot work? Well, I suppose I can just reboot and find out... Aug 04 10:14:03 indeed Aug 04 10:14:16 straightforward once it works Aug 04 10:20:25 * chouimat is back. Aug 04 10:23:20 CoreDump|home: c7x0 issupported? Aug 04 10:23:31 nope Aug 04 10:23:36 * JustinP is hoping his system is booting and not reformatting the HS... Aug 04 10:24:12 I am trying to do a propagate, and monotone is telling me: no external 3-way merge command found ... Aug 04 10:24:23 normal boot should work Aug 04 10:25:01 martin__: install kdiff3 or meld Aug 04 10:25:48 CoreDump|home: looks like /sbin/init.sysvinit doesn't exist,....at least not on my machine Aug 04 10:26:10 * CoreDump|home sighs Aug 04 10:26:25 what's it called then? Aug 04 10:26:31 /sbin/init perhaps? Aug 04 10:27:20 well, take a look and edit /etc/altboot.cfg Aug 04 10:27:40 mickeyl: any console based tools for it? I am wroking on a remote machine that has no X/gnome/kde libraries Aug 04 10:28:21 it looks like the lua merge hook calls emacs if it's installed, but it doesn't seem to work Aug 04 10:28:31 at least not for me Aug 04 10:28:44 besides i don't even know how to exit emacs except of killall emacs Aug 04 10:29:08 C-x C-c Aug 04 10:29:24 yes, emacs "works" as a merge system, but I'm not sure how to use it... Aug 04 10:29:29 you can also use vim Aug 04 10:30:25 mickeyl: it is trying to call the external merge tool for classes/gpe.bbclass ... I just want the most recent version of that file... I never made changes to it. anyway I get get it without running the merge tool? (I am looking through the monotone docs... but if you happen to know) Aug 04 10:30:36 no idea Aug 04 10:31:00 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r7d3bb279... 10/packages/gpe-login/gpe-login_0.81.bb: Add new release if gpe-dm. Aug 04 10:31:03 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r2819ed65... 10/packages/gpe-mixer/gpe-mixer_0.42.bb: Add new release if gpe-mixer. Aug 04 10:31:07 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r7b0d9a30... 10/packages/espgs/ (espgs-native_7.07.1rc1.bb espgs_7.07.1rc1.bb espgs_7.07.1.bb): espgs: upgrade to 7.07.1 final and remove the need for espgs-native Aug 04 10:31:12 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rae92e598... 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.00.bb files/syslog.conf): Aug 04 10:31:12 Add /etc/syslog.conf to the CONFFILES for busybox (CONFFILES are previously Aug 04 10:31:12 empty) and update syslog.conf to comment out the 'ROTATE' lines - these Aug 04 10:31:12 cause busybox syslog to error out with BUFFER=file. Aug 04 10:31:16 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r3312c8f3... 10/packages/gnome/ (gconf-native_2.6.1.bb libgnome_2.10.1.bb): add (dummy) gconf-native, make libgnome depend on gconf-native Aug 04 10:31:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4f25673b... 10/packages/ (5 files in 4 dirs): remove espgs-native depends from evince Aug 04 10:31:27 martin__: what are you propagating from/to? Aug 04 10:32:08 from org.openemebdded.dev to my own branch Aug 04 10:32:16 my own branch only adds files. it does not change any Aug 04 10:33:19 so I am confused. I did a pull of org.openembedded.dev and then I tried to do a propagate... and it wants to run an external merge tool Aug 04 10:33:54 martin__: the merg system for monotone is kinda broken in this regard Aug 04 10:34:01 martin__: do an explicit_merge Aug 04 10:34:34 monotone expllicit_merge REV_of_your_branch_head REV_of_org.oe.dev_head ancestor YOUR_branch_name Aug 04 10:34:50 for the ancestor find the last rev your propagated from and use that Aug 04 10:34:55 JustinP: can I just do it for one file? Aug 04 10:34:56 works great for me Aug 04 10:34:58 no Aug 04 10:35:02 monotone doesn't work that way Aug 04 10:35:09 but this should fix it with no manual merges Aug 04 10:35:13 assuming you only add files Aug 04 10:35:34 ok. would be nice if it took specific files Aug 04 10:35:38 but that might break things more Aug 04 10:36:42 bbl Aug 04 10:37:57 JustinP: gah! it stil lwants the external merge tool Aug 04 10:39:25 even with that ancestor? Aug 04 10:39:31 for what files? Aug 04 10:39:38 you sure you didn't edit it? Aug 04 10:40:02 CoreDump|home: where is CF_MOUNTPOINT set and what is it set to? Aug 04 10:40:10 CoreDump|home: I'm trying to add an option for hda3 Aug 04 10:40:22 ~praise CoreDump|home for hentges-usbutils Aug 04 10:40:23 All hail CoreDump|home for hentges-usbutils! Aug 04 10:40:43 oh I kinda forgot to configure it on altboot.cfg Aug 04 10:40:50 mickeyl: so it works? :) Aug 04 10:40:55 yep Aug 04 10:41:00 great! Aug 04 10:41:05 JustinP: monotone diff tells me nothing is changed Aug 04 10:41:26 martin__: monotone diff -r ancestor Aug 04 10:41:50 SD_MOUNTPOINT="/media/card" Aug 04 10:41:50 CF_MOUNTPOINT="/media/cf" Aug 04 10:41:50 RM_MOUNTPOINT="/media/ram" Aug 04 10:41:59 add this to altboot.cfg Aug 04 10:42:26 forget the last line Aug 04 10:42:49 ok Aug 04 10:43:06 what if I want it to be able to read from /dev/hda3 (the FAT partition) for boot-images? Aug 04 10:43:22 JustinP: well I did not change it, but it looks like it changed when I did the pull/propagate/update yesterday Aug 04 10:43:37 You could add a module to /etc/altboot-menu to do that Aug 04 10:43:38 JustinP: hack to add HDD_MOUNTPOINT? Aug 04 10:43:47 martin__: don't know what to tell you... Aug 04 10:44:01 JustinP: I will go ask on the monotone irc channel. :D Aug 04 10:45:45 module howto: 1. mount partition (see 00-Default), 2. run check_target check_target "$partition" $RUN_LEVEL 3. done Aug 04 10:45:46 * JustinP reboots his zaurus again Aug 04 10:46:39 didn't work...will chekc the Default one Aug 04 10:56:09 CoreDump|home: nope, my menu entry simply isn't working.... Aug 04 10:56:57 hmm i didn't include the sample script for spizt, sec Aug 04 10:57:24 03ccsmart 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r17f9ec4e... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Initial out of the box functionality changes. Aug 04 10:57:26 03ccsmart 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rc579a3af... 10/packages/postfix/postfix_2.0.20.bb: Prefer populate over installer because of permissions being applied. Aug 04 10:58:13 JustinP: http://hentges.net/tmp/99-ownScripts-example Aug 04 10:58:28 JustinP: I just sucked it up and isntalled xxdiff ... only required on extra package to install (not like 20 for gnome or kde) Aug 04 10:59:37 damn it....::sigh:: booting *again* Aug 04 11:03:08 fsck! Aug 04 11:03:41 now altboot is synced to OE Aug 04 11:07:33 rebooting again...I hope it works this time Aug 04 11:11:10 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rf074c151... 10/packages/altboot/ (23 files in 10 dirs): altboot: Sources are now managed by OE's mt database. Aug 04 11:12:04 CoreDump|home: now include some fancy stuff from the demoscene in altboot ;) Aug 04 11:12:14 :) Aug 04 11:13:32 I've been struggling just trying to get it to boot form my dev image in hdd Aug 04 11:13:43 works now, though Aug 04 11:13:45 I add a HDD3 option Aug 04 11:13:49 /etc/init.d/devices doesn't exist for 1 Aug 04 11:13:55 and I neede cardmgr Aug 04 11:14:02 needed cardmgr started that is Aug 04 11:14:07 CoreDump|home: would you like my altered files? Aug 04 11:14:42 sure, send any patches to oe (at) hentges.net Aug 04 12:11:29 ~hail pb_ Aug 04 12:11:30 * ibot bows down to pb_ and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Aug 04 12:11:37 pb_: I've some GTK+ questions Aug 04 12:11:40 hail zecke Aug 04 12:11:45 uh-oh Aug 04 12:12:14 pb_: now even radical changes like Cairo as GDK backend gets integrated, and C does not suffer the same ABI problems as C++ (vtables and such stuff) Aug 04 12:12:22 pb_: will there ever be a Gtk3? Aug 04 12:12:57 zecke: at the moment, it's hard to imagine any change that would justify Gtk 3. But, who knows what might happen in the future. Aug 04 12:13:34 pb_: You can easily make something 'virtual', pango looks okay as well Aug 04 12:13:49 Gtk3 might be rewritten in Java or C# who ever wins? Aug 04 12:14:08 * zecke imagines Gtk 2.124.1 Aug 04 12:14:27 that's possible, yeah. But, given that Gtk already has bindings to both those languages, it's not clear that rewriting the toolkit in either of them would buy a whole lot. Aug 04 12:14:51 pb_: that is the whole point of political decisions ;) Aug 04 12:14:57 what's the status on the displaymigration stuff in gtk? Aug 04 12:15:54 lol Ill-Ilustrated is funny Aug 04 12:18:39 zecke: hehe, right Aug 04 12:36:12 ~lart SD cards Aug 04 12:36:12 * ibot forces SD cards to use Outlook Express Aug 04 12:41:03 poor SD cards Aug 04 12:41:05 heh Aug 04 12:42:45 The way I'm feeling at the moment, they deserve it ;-) Aug 04 12:46:12 hehe, right Aug 04 13:01:27 koen: You had an automatically created index of the variables somewhere. I can't locate it right now. Can you tell me where it si? Aug 04 13:01:35 s/si/is/ Aug 04 13:02:23 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/d/ Aug 04 13:03:37 Thanks. Aug 04 13:12:21 Is it possible to SRC_URI to a directory? I am still manipulating the source frequently so I'd rather have it point to my local directory right now. Aug 04 13:12:39 Is it possible to point SRC_URI to a directory? Aug 04 13:12:49 Laibsch: yes Aug 04 13:13:03 Very nice. Aug 04 13:14:19 Will this do: SRC_URI = "/mnt/pfaffe/src/gakusei.sf.net/nunome/" ? Aug 04 13:14:38 err no Aug 04 13:14:41 Or do I need some kind of specifier like file:// Aug 04 13:14:48 yes Aug 04 13:14:55 OK Aug 04 13:15:03 not sure if absolute paths will work, though... Aug 04 13:15:07 "file://mnt/pfaffe/src/gakusei.sf.net/nunome/" ? Aug 04 13:15:09 try it and see Aug 04 13:15:13 add another / Aug 04 13:15:15 file:/// Aug 04 13:15:33 Yes, I will but I have to restart so I won't know until about two hours later. Aug 04 13:15:51 OK, JustinP. Thanks a bunch. Aug 04 13:54:04 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r3df2e3d7... 10/packages/netpbm/ (netpbm-10.28/ppmtojpeg.patch netpbm_10.28.bb): Aug 04 13:54:04 netpbm: Fix perl RDEPENDS, make ppmtojpeg work (disabled by default because Aug 04 13:54:04 the target of the link, pnmtojpeg, may not exist) Aug 04 15:00:04 what additional purpose does gcc-cross-sdk server? Aug 04 15:00:10 s/server/serve/ Aug 04 15:00:20 aside from being the compiler that goes in the sdk, you mean? nothing. Aug 04 15:00:33 poorly worded Aug 04 15:00:38 what makes the gcc-cross-sdk special? Aug 04 15:01:28 Is there any way for me to get a list of the files that I added to my branch that are not in the standard oe branch? Aug 04 15:01:41 just that it's set up to install into /usr/local/.../, iirc. Aug 04 15:01:59 pb_: ok - I want to move up to 3.44 Aug 04 15:02:00 I guess you can diff gcc-cross-sdk.bb against the regular gcc-cross.bb to check. Aug 04 15:21:35 how do I get the name of the compiler in a bb file? Aug 04 15:21:55 ${CC}? Aug 04 15:22:30 hehe Aug 04 15:22:36 * JustinP goes to hide somewhere Aug 04 15:23:10 iirc there are different cc variables Aug 04 15:26:31 look into WORKDIR/temp/run.do_compile* Aug 04 15:26:43 BUILD_CC, HOST_CC, TARGET_CC - sth like that Aug 04 15:54:11 koen: in revision 4f25673bce4a4b71f224f593c0e8891b8d43b7a5 comment "remove espgs-native depends from evince" you removed perl_5.8.7 by DEFAULT_PREFERENCE="-1" - is this an accident? Aug 04 15:55:21 You didn't bump the PR, so something is clearly wrong. Aug 04 15:55:45 ehm Aug 04 15:55:50 * koen scratches head Aug 04 15:56:18 Well, from scratch everything is broken, because perl-native_5.8.7.bb gets built instead of 5.8.4 and then the 5.8.4 fails Aug 04 15:56:22 that change shouldn't exist Aug 04 15:56:32 I will remove it, and bump the PR Aug 04 15:56:41 ok, thanks Aug 04 15:57:05 * koen wonders how it ended up in the repo Aug 04 15:57:27 Missing "." on an mt commit? Aug 04 15:58:05 I always do monotone commit Aug 04 15:58:10 but I must have screwed up Aug 04 16:10:33 'night all Aug 04 16:11:18 nite Aug 04 16:32:52 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r22665530... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Aug 04 16:32:52 ucslugc: add back in BROKEN_PACKAGES which now build Aug 04 16:32:52 perl: revert DEFAULT_PREFERENCE="-1" in perl_5.8.7.bb (and bump PR) Aug 04 16:33:18 nite guys Aug 04 16:33:22 cya monday or tuesday Aug 04 16:33:31 cya zecke Aug 04 16:35:24 'night zecke **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 04 16:56:32 2005 Aug 04 17:05:56 treke: I got psmisc to build on uclibc (by adding the required -lintl) but it (pstree) doesn't output anything - I was going to ask about patching the .bb but since it doesn't work I won't bother. Aug 04 17:09:14 ~lart lineo Aug 04 17:09:14 * ibot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking lineo's head off Aug 04 17:30:45 hi marcan Aug 04 17:30:58 marcan: where are you from and what time you have local?:) Aug 04 17:31:49 I'm from spain and it's 2:31 am here Aug 04 17:32:03 just like here - 2:31 in Poland Aug 04 17:32:13 and 2:31 in Norway Aug 04 17:32:33 it's CEST, which is common to part (most?) of europe Aug 04 17:32:58 most Aug 04 17:33:04 until DST atleast Aug 04 17:33:11 of course Aug 04 17:33:52 3:35 in Latvia :) Aug 04 17:34:11 gints: when will white bears come? Aug 04 17:35:06 ;) Aug 04 17:35:14 you should ask norway ppl Aug 04 17:35:42 nice to see people from all over the world :) Aug 04 17:35:53 I've seen places where everyone was from one same country Aug 04 17:37:02 hey Aug 04 17:37:11 We don't have polar bears here! :) Aug 04 17:37:32 we definitely don't have them here :) Aug 04 17:37:38 hot as hell, at least these days Aug 04 17:37:53 hehe Aug 04 17:38:08 NAiL: I lived many years in north-west Poland where is coldest in this country - white bears was a joke always Aug 04 17:38:09 We have not so hot...+17 Aug 04 17:38:28 +21°C was yesterday (or atleast was to be) Aug 04 17:38:41 hrw|busy: hehe, yeah. We pull that joke with the people from northern norway Aug 04 17:38:42 30-40+ in some places here. Not so much where I live though, but still It's quite hot Aug 04 17:38:59 and some tourists come here to see 'em. But they're disappointed :P Aug 04 17:39:47 NAiL: you Norway people are a bit weird.. two official Norwegian languages Aug 04 17:40:14 hrw|busy: look at the netherlands (or belgium?, can't remember) Aug 04 17:40:20 we're weirder in spain Aug 04 17:40:21 and white days/white nights Aug 04 17:40:26 one official language on the whole coutry Aug 04 17:40:34 3-5 co-official languages scattered around regions Aug 04 17:40:44 catalan? Aug 04 17:40:48 politicians can't figure out what is different and what is the same language etc etc etc Aug 04 17:40:50 baskish? Aug 04 17:41:12 catalan, valencian which some argue is separate from catalan (not so IMO, just politic stuff), basque, galician, etc Aug 04 17:41:18 heh Aug 04 17:41:20 neat Aug 04 17:41:23 I have first learn english better ;) Aug 04 17:41:33 I went to the pyrenees a long time ago... rather nice Aug 04 17:41:49 I've never gone even though I live relatively close Aug 04 17:41:51 but when last time I speak with spanish user we was able to understand each other.. Aug 04 17:42:02 where relatively is ~300-400km Aug 04 17:42:23 tomorrow I will go to Slovakia - walking on mountains etc tourist stuff Aug 04 17:42:24 That's no distance ;) Aug 04 17:42:32 :) Aug 04 17:42:34 marcan: I have more to my parents ;) Aug 04 17:42:49 I've got 400km to half my family (father side) Aug 04 17:42:57 to most of it at least Aug 04 17:43:25 anyway :P I guess us spanish are lazy, and we don't want to grab a 5+ hour bus :P Aug 04 17:43:56 marcan: thats because temperature... Aug 04 17:44:02 also true Aug 04 17:44:04 brain gots too hot and switch off Aug 04 17:45:52 stick a needle in the southern tip of norway and rotate. The northern portion will overlap large parts of italy ;) Aug 04 17:46:30 ;) Aug 04 17:47:00 I think the shortest distance from the border to the ocean is like... 5-6 km Aug 04 17:47:09 It's a long, thin country :) Aug 04 17:50:15 Whoah - I've gotten my first "blah blah message as attachment" virus message that actually makes some techical sense Aug 04 17:50:34 "This message can not be represented in 7-bit ascii encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment" Aug 04 17:50:37 heh Aug 04 17:50:40 ;) Aug 04 17:51:10 the nasty ones are the image embedded ones Aug 04 17:51:31 heh Aug 04 17:51:41 most of them get sent to Junk by now automatically Aug 04 17:51:50 the bayesian filter picked up most of it Aug 04 17:52:49 if i had windows i might be worried about it Aug 04 17:53:11 I had bogofilter on server Aug 04 17:53:24 the chances of having the exact config to propigate in linux is pretty low Aug 04 17:53:27 I haven't had win since at least 1.5 years Aug 04 17:54:09 all my spam consists of OE messages going to the wrong folder Aug 04 18:02:10 http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/gpe/current/4444.html Aug 04 18:02:14 'night all Aug 04 18:02:19 Anyone know why util-linux's mount/umount isn't linked by update-alternatives? Aug 04 18:02:32 or, anyone mind if I fix it? Aug 04 18:02:48 cu reenoo_ - sweet dreams Aug 04 18:02:55 NAiL: go for it Aug 04 18:03:27 you nslu people change many things in good linux ways - you are not so PDA oriented ;) Aug 04 18:03:30 hrw|work: hehe. thanks. no more portage for a while at least (see link above) :) Aug 04 18:03:41 hehe :) Aug 04 18:03:43 reenoo_: I know - ebuilds for gpe Aug 04 18:03:52 reenoo_: I traced your talk about it on #gpe Aug 04 18:03:59 ah, right Aug 04 18:04:13 big hrw|work is watching Aug 04 18:04:15 :P Aug 04 18:04:17 ;) Aug 04 18:04:22 port, sherry and maple syrup Aug 04 18:04:29 ooops wrong windows Aug 04 18:04:32 fscking fire alarm... Aug 04 18:04:49 chouimat|lost: cheers Aug 04 18:05:37 reenoo_: yurk ;) Aug 04 18:09:17 anyways. off to bed for real now Aug 04 18:14:27 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rd30471d5... 10/packages/util-linux/util-linux.inc: Update u-a to include /bin/mount and umount (busybox conflict) Aug 04 18:16:22 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r719f030e... 10/packages/util-linux/util-linux_2.12q.bb: Bump PR. Why can I *never* remember to bump that PR? Aug 04 18:17:36 'why can I never remember to' - nice construction ;) Aug 04 18:18:19 Think I'll put a stickynote in the middle of my monitor Aug 04 18:18:24 PR = Please Remember Aug 04 18:18:28 ;)) Aug 04 18:19:31 why not just make a script to do it for you? Aug 04 18:19:48 thats what sed and awk are for Aug 04 18:28:18 uhm Aug 04 18:29:35 how often is treke here? According to nickserv he hasn't been here for a month :P Aug 04 18:29:50 2.5 months, actually Aug 04 18:30:58 dont know Aug 04 18:31:02 ~seen treke Aug 04 18:31:05 treke <~ggilbert@tinman.treke.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 6d 6h 44m 29s ago, saying: ':)'. Aug 04 18:31:44 Was going to bother him about adding update-alternatives to psmisc Aug 04 18:37:21 Ya reckon he'll bash me bad if I commit? :) Aug 04 18:37:46 he is maintainer? Aug 04 18:38:05 yes Aug 04 18:38:21 I would add it Aug 04 18:40:44 * NAiL remembers PR this time around, and commits Aug 04 18:41:37 ok. time to start vacation season Aug 04 18:41:46 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r16b8b561... 10/packages/openssh/openssh_4.0p1.bb: Add update-alternatives in pkg_postrm too Aug 04 18:41:50 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rd755c29b... 10/packages/psmisc/psmisc_20.2.bb: Add update-alternatives for killall, conflicts with busybox Aug 04 18:42:30 I go home, sleep and during day I have to pack, buy guidebook about Slovakia etc.. Aug 04 18:42:54 How to test if my CF card is formated in fat16 under linux ? Aug 04 18:43:32 mount it? Aug 04 18:43:52 cu all Aug 04 18:44:22 mouarf. this give only vfat as type.. Aug 04 19:13:43 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rb3334800... 10/packages/coreutils/coreutils_5.1.3.bb: Change priority on broken uptime to be lower than busybox's working uptime. Add hostname to u-a postrm, since that had been forgotten. Oh yeah, and bump that PR ;) Aug 04 19:39:38 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r2041c86a... 10/packages/coreutils/coreutils_5.1.3.bb: Fix base_bindir vs. bindir confusion Aug 04 20:13:02 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rb284a0e3... 10/packages/coreutils/coreutils_5.1.3.bb: Sort the special cases into a group, makes it easier to read. Remove duplicate removal of hostname Aug 04 20:17:09 anyone know which zaurus have a working 2.6 kernel? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 04 20:26:32 2005 Aug 04 20:28:40 * france is back (gone 43:50:29) Aug 04 21:21:38 * france is away: Away Aug 04 22:04:22 hmm... why meta-opie build glib packages? Aug 04 22:11:56 because some package in it needs it Aug 04 22:12:12 seems like gnutls Aug 04 23:02:09 hi all! Aug 04 23:05:26 ~lart power regulator for sending processor into sleep Aug 04 23:05:26 * ibot nukes power regulator with a single large nuke for sending processor into sleep Aug 04 23:12:07 wow I'm no longer banned Aug 04 23:13:37 morning all Aug 04 23:15:06 hi ade|desk Aug 04 23:24:40 emte, raster: evas_image_load.c:650: error: `E_DB_File' undeclared (first use in this function) Aug 04 23:25:09 emte, rsater: never mind...missing Edb.h...I'll fix it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 04 23:59:56 2005