**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 06 23:59:57 2005 Aug 07 00:13:28 <_law_> my wlan card doesnt work with the latest kernel Aug 07 00:13:30 morning Aug 07 00:17:22 good morning !!! Aug 07 00:24:20 hi gremlin[it] Aug 07 00:25:28 hi :) Aug 07 01:40:23 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rae802bfe... 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/akita/keymap-2.4.map: Akita keymap: On button no longer chvt's to an empty VT Aug 07 01:40:27 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r1a6e0cf9... 10/packages/altboot/ (altboot.bb files/altboot.func files/init.altboot): altboot: No longer use hutils.conf, only altboot.cfg. Adjust master-pw prompt. Aug 07 03:11:56 why is CSL breaking everything? Aug 07 03:17:49 because it's low on mana Aug 07 03:18:08 (Code Sourcery Labs) Aug 07 03:18:35 :) Aug 07 03:18:55 I'm still not using it... Aug 07 03:19:09 PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc = "3.4.4" Aug 07 03:19:10 PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross = "3.4.4" Aug 07 03:19:10 PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross-initial = "3.4.4" Aug 07 03:19:26 I've had that in local.conf for weeks Aug 07 03:20:05 I'm *very* happy with those lines, more .bbs compile, less segfaults... Aug 07 03:25:25 I'm still using 3.4.3. I've enough problems without an insane compile :) Aug 07 03:32:40 hey mickeyl Aug 07 03:35:09 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbd296c63... 10/conf/distro/familiar-0.8.3.conf: Select vanilla gcc for familiar instead of the CSL one Aug 07 03:36:24 morning Aug 07 03:36:35 hey mickeyl Aug 07 03:48:10 CoreDump|home: please do all changes to akita keymap also to spitz keymap, they're identical Aug 07 03:48:25 will do Aug 07 03:48:29 thanks Aug 07 03:50:03 thanks Aug 07 03:50:03 fyi, i've patched gpe-appmgr to compile against latest cairo Aug 07 03:50:03 didn't try yet Aug 07 03:50:30 ahh great :) thanks! Aug 07 03:51:06 * mickeyl GPE Hacker Aug 07 03:51:07 ;)) Aug 07 03:51:19 * koen cheers for mickeyl Aug 07 03:51:23 yeah, I was sort-of wondering about that hehe Aug 07 03:54:20 mickeyl: are you strenghtened in your decision to dump qt/e for hardware >2003 ?f Aug 07 03:54:24 s/f// Aug 07 03:54:32 pretty much, yes Aug 07 03:56:58 Koen: I saw that you mentioned a having more less segfaults with gcc 3.4.4 than with some other gcc versions. What is the cpu you are targeting your oe apps? Aug 07 03:57:53 sa and pxa mostly Aug 07 03:58:03 but I think omap might benefit too Aug 07 03:58:32 koen can i ask a couple of question ? Aug 07 03:58:38 * mickeyl kicks ciabot Aug 07 03:59:16 gremlin[it]: sure Aug 07 03:59:26 - i stay away for a while ... dies oe had a restructure and/or change in repository "engine" ? Aug 07 04:00:05 - documentation on oe.org is aligned with such change ? Aug 07 04:00:12 yes and yes Aug 07 04:00:21 perfect :) Aug 07 04:00:23 mickeyl: that mail from PAtrick sounds promising Aug 07 04:00:47 mickeyl: I wonder if he could do it in lua Aug 07 04:01:37 koen: that's right. maybe we could enhance this to be a generic MT wrapper that does a couple of steps to minimize problems Aug 07 04:01:41 koen: Well when we build gpe-image from familiar-0.83 distro we have some strange segfaults. I have now started clean build and for me it seems that it is using 3.4.4 even by default. Aug 07 04:01:43 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc9215942... 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update qolyester (OSLR routing daemon w/ QoS enhancements) to 20050728 and bring it back from nonworking Aug 07 04:01:48 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r12a71a2e... 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/spitz/keymap-2.4.map: Spitz keymap: Apply On-button fix from Akita Aug 07 04:02:04 lamikr: yes, I put it in the 0.8.3 config file Aug 07 04:04:44 koen: Have you ever seen any segfaults in the gpe-login module or just after login in to gpe? We are getting segfaults in there are not sure could the reason be in our patched 2.6.11 kernel or does it really come from the gpe. Aug 07 04:05:45 I haven't seen such segfaults in gpe-login, but I hardly ever log out Aug 07 04:06:08 root@ipaq-pxa270:~# uptime Aug 07 04:06:08 11:05:38 up 6 days, 1:38, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Aug 07 04:06:40 hi! Aug 07 04:07:29 hey Loial Aug 07 04:08:00 all's well? :) Aug 07 04:08:07 koen: Ok. We were able to build almost all gpe-apps by using prebuild gcc 3.3.2 and even managed to get the image to start booting but we gave up because it came so messy. (searching most of the libs and confs from /usr/local/arm/3.3.2/etc instead of using /etc, libs from /usr/local/arm/3.3.2/libs, etc...) Aug 07 04:17:53 koen: Because it was so hard to try to use prebuild toolchain, we have dropped that plan are now putting all attention for gettings things working in a way where builds toolchain. Aug 07 04:23:43 koen: Would it possible to get our h6300 specific changes in to the oe database. Files that are needed are: h6300.conf, tune-arm9tdmi.conf and linux-h6300-hh_2.6.12-rc5.bb and linux-h6300-hh-2.6.12-rc5 dir. Aug 07 04:24:32 attach them to bugzilla Aug 07 04:27:32 koen: We will do that soon. There are two things we would still like get oe done automatically: Aug 07 04:28:39 1) network over usb-gadget does not start unless we add "ifup usb0" to bootup scripts by hand. (We have currently put that to /etc/init.d/rcS) Aug 07 04:29:11 2) We need to add our tousccreendriver to /etc/modules Aug 07 04:31:10 lamikr: check /etc/network/interface to see w Aug 07 04:31:15 the entry for usb0 Aug 07 04:31:51 koen: I have tried, and for me it seems to be ok... Aug 07 04:32:27 lamikr: I have seen report of the udc driver being flakey on boot Aug 07 04:33:01 it has problems with coldplugging Aug 07 04:34:52 koen: Ok, but could we add this entry "ifup usb0" to rcs for a workaround until the problem gets resolved? Aug 07 04:35:23 rather not Aug 07 04:35:40 the problem went away when plugging the usb cable in and out after boot Aug 07 04:36:05 koen: Well thats ok... Ensures that real reason is found :-) Aug 07 04:37:08 koen: Third and last change we need to make to the image build is to change the config of /etc/ts.conf by hand. Enable option "module_raw input" and disable option "module_raw h3600". Aug 07 04:38:13 look at the packages/tslib/ dir Aug 07 04:38:24 that show how you can have a device specific ts configuration Aug 07 04:38:28 h3600 or h6300 ? Aug 07 04:38:35 h6300 Aug 07 04:38:39 the phone thingy Aug 07 04:40:31 * koen whispers 'merge' into CoreDump|home's and mickeyl's ear Aug 07 04:40:50 i was wondering about the tslib config: why are the conffiles for different ipaqs installed into /usr/share/tslib, selected by /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh instead writing one /etc/tslib.conf in postinst? Aug 07 04:41:16 to be able to dual boot 2.4 and 2.6 Aug 07 04:41:32 koen: dunno, i pulled, merged and updated seconds before i synced Aug 07 04:42:08 * koen guesses 34 seconds Aug 07 04:42:19 nah Aug 07 04:42:29 more like 10 Aug 07 04:42:52 I 'diffed' the commit times Aug 07 04:43:17 well, "sync" takes some time, too :) Aug 07 04:45:35 koen: So we would propably need to add there a file packages/tslib/tslib/ts.conf-h6300. What we need to do that that file is used for building image? Aug 07 04:45:51 see the tslib.bb Aug 07 04:46:13 but placing it under the right subdir should suffice Aug 07 04:46:23 koen: merged Aug 07 04:46:50 CoreDump|home: thanks Aug 07 04:48:39 koen: I will try that. And how about our second problem: Adding of our ts driver to /etc/modules, where is that handled? Aug 07 04:49:31 no idea Aug 07 04:49:41 you'll have to talk to mickeyl or pb_ how to do that Aug 07 04:50:09 koen: where should i put a xmodmap for the hx4700? Aug 07 04:50:56 koen: Ok, I will do. I will first try this tslib thingy, it is taking some hours that the whole image is build. Aug 07 04:50:57 gpe@handhelds.org and the gpe bugzilla (handhelds.org/~bugzilla) Aug 07 04:53:39 sheesh, copying /* to SD takes ages Aug 07 04:57:22 afternoon Aug 07 05:10:02 pH5: could you adapt the kernel.bb to use 'defconfig' instead of 'defconfig-hx4700'? you can put the defconfig in the handhelds-pxa-2.6/ipaq-pxa270/ subdir for OE to use it Aug 07 05:10:37 Yay, 2.6.13-rc5-mm1 just works :) Aug 07 05:11:26 heh Aug 07 05:11:40 noone broke something arm related? Aug 07 05:11:55 koen: Nothing more than the last one... Aug 07 05:12:07 (I'm still having to revert some memory breakage) Aug 07 05:22:51 koen: ok Aug 07 05:36:07 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd7ed0afa... 10/packages/gpe-contacts/gpe-contacts_0.41.bb: Add gpe-contacts 0.41 Aug 07 05:37:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r95ff9f96... 10/packages/slutils/slutils_0.1.0.bb: slutils: package slbl seperatly Aug 07 05:54:57 koen: I got gpe-image now to do automatically correct ts.conf for h6300. But I forget one thing. Are you exporting settings like: export TSLIB_FBDEVICE=/dev/fb/0 anywhere? There are 5 of these we need to set to get the ts working. Aug 07 05:55:48 does it really need that? Aug 07 05:57:00 afaik tslib only need a TSDEVICE to work Aug 07 05:57:53 koen: I have used to define following: Aug 07 05:58:26 export TSLIB_FBDEVICE=/dev/fb/0 Aug 07 05:58:37 export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 Aug 07 05:58:44 export TSLIB_CONFFILE=/etc/ts.conf Aug 07 05:59:04 export TSLIB_PLUGINDIR=/usr/lib/ts Aug 07 05:59:14 export TSLIB_CONSOLEDEVICE=none Aug 07 05:59:39 check how h3900 handles it Aug 07 06:00:07 FBDEVICE shouldn't be need Aug 07 06:00:29 and CONFFILE and PLUGINDIR should have defaults Aug 07 06:00:41 May be that some of them are not needed but I remember that in my first gpe boot attemt I forget to set all of those, and then it did not worked. I took those from some www-page but I can now check what really are needed. Aug 07 06:01:14 but as you said, probaply the first one is enought. Aug 07 06:01:35 using detect-stylus (see how h3900 does this) will also save you a lot of trouble Aug 07 06:03:18 since you can't a-priori know on which event device the ts will be Aug 07 06:04:43 Ok, I will try to learn from h3900/tslib.sh. Aug 07 06:10:00 lamikr, koen: You might need TSLIB_FBDEVICE if you're using devfs. My advice would be not to :) Aug 07 06:11:15 aha Aug 07 06:11:15 I'm pretty sure GPE doesn't care about that variable, irrespective of whether you are using devfs or not. Aug 07 06:11:19 RP: Yes, we are still letting devfs to do /dev-files. Are udev rules for creating those in good shape? Aug 07 06:11:53 I can first try without. Aug 07 06:12:20 Just setting TSLIB_TSDEVICE and TSLIB_CONFFILE should suffice. That's what we do on all the other ipaqs. Aug 07 06:12:46 (except h1940, which has that crazy thing with QWS_MOUSEPROTO.) Aug 07 06:13:18 that's just a bug in qt/e Aug 07 06:16:18 So, if I put my own tslib.sh file (quite similar to one in h3600 dir, just removing kernel 2.4 options away and put to use ts.conf-h6300) is it then executed automatically during the image bootup? Aug 07 06:18:33 lamikr: The images built from OE work fine with udev. If the udev rules don't cover everything you need, help us improve them! :) Aug 07 06:19:06 pb_: GPE won't care. Its just for ts_calibrate and the other graphical ts test tools... Aug 07 06:19:24 lamikr: If you're just using GPE, it shouldn't matter Aug 07 06:19:27 RP: Will do, we just would like to get the first version of image conf files out as fast us possible. We have sitting over them now for 3 months :-) Aug 07 06:20:51 RP: Actually only about couple of weeks over OE stuff, but for the kernel much more longer while trying learn things... Put putting things out might also help us to get more help, I hope... Aug 07 06:22:14 lot of things to do: gsm, wlan, bt, irda, sounds. One of is working with the sound module and is able to hear something. Put it is just not working yet correctly. Aug 07 06:25:00 rp: After getting these stuff out, we will plan to merge with 2.6.13 kernel that has these platform structure changes. Do you know have took devfs options away from the config as planned? Aug 07 06:29:43 lamikr: Its not in my 2.6.13-rc5-mm1 config file... Aug 07 06:31:41 koen: do you know what the minimum gap between builds has to be for the tinderbox to not report them as one big long green column? Aug 07 06:31:56 RP: OK, if it ok for others, we would like to get our first patches work with devfs and 2.6.11 based kernel and then migrate to 2.6.13 and udev. Aug 07 06:32:19 rwhitby: no idea, but 30minutes + parsing time worked for me Aug 07 06:32:32 rwhitby: it could also be that bitbake doesn't blow away STARTTIME Aug 07 06:32:45 rwhitby: so remove tmp/cache/ before building to be sure Aug 07 06:33:45 koen: thx Aug 07 07:09:35 koen: About this /usr/bin/detect-stylus executable that tslib.sh uses. Do you know how does it try to find out device used under /dev? I mean that what are my changes that it will work out of the box with h6300? Aug 07 07:10:05 it looks in /dev and probes devices till it finds a ts device Aug 07 07:10:39 so if you accidetily remove a module and the tsdevice ends up as event0, it will still work Aug 07 07:15:57 Ok, I suppose I have it now working. At least I have now files like own made /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh, detect-stylus and /usr/share/tslib/ts.conf-h6300. It will just take quite long to extract the image to MMC card, so that I will also solve how to get the ts module automatically to etc/modules before I start testing. Aug 07 07:18:16 koen: I also made changes to tslib_cvs.bb. Added there h6300 related things in a similar way than h2200 things are there. Aug 07 07:21:25 that should be ok Aug 07 07:21:45 attach the working results to bugzilla, and you'll get more feedback Aug 07 07:24:32 koen: Yes, I will do those. Thanks again for help in this. Aug 07 07:29:29 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ree0c96c7... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files): linux-oz-2.6: Update to 2.6.13-rc5-mm1. Remove merged patches. Aug 07 07:56:57 koen: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217 Aug 07 08:03:13 pH5: I'll wait for pb_'s verdict on that before applying Aug 07 08:07:38 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r804e886d... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Resolve a patch problem Aug 07 09:01:03 03ccsmart 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r5d7745cb... 10/packages/cyrus-imapd/files/volatiles: Change permissions to allow access to lmtp socket. Aug 07 09:01:07 03ccsmart 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r465928d6... 10/packages/postfix/files/main.cf_2.0: Add LMTP transport for Cyrus IMAP. Aug 07 10:52:29 pH5: I applied your kernel patch, could you close the bug after you verified it went ok? Aug 07 10:52:57 koen: yes, thanks. Aug 07 10:55:23 I think all hx4700 patches are in now Aug 07 10:55:32 the fstab is still missing Aug 07 10:55:36 it only needs some bluetooth changes Aug 07 10:55:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r499b406a... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add ipaq-pxa270 defconfig and update hh.org 2.6 kernel, courtesy Philipp Zabel. Closes #217 Aug 07 10:55:54 should i add a bug with todd's hciattach patch to oe? Aug 07 10:56:04 sure, go ahead Aug 07 11:30:12 * chouimat|busy is away: food shopping Aug 07 12:43:15 * chouimat|busy is back. Aug 07 13:14:49 monotone: trying 3-way merge Aug 07 13:14:49 monotone: misuse: unable to resolve file conflict 'packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc3-mm3.bb' -> 'packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb' vs. 'packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc4-mm1.bb' Aug 07 13:15:17 this is fun. It won't even use my merge app to let me resolve this... Aug 07 13:18:36 not even with explicit merge? Aug 07 13:19:29 haven't tried. Dunno how to figure out the revs involved Aug 07 13:19:53 viewmtn or monotoneviz Aug 07 13:21:53 ok, how do I figure out (from viewmtn) which revs to use? Aug 07 13:22:19 I gotta learn this sooner or later Aug 07 13:22:24 since it happens quite often Aug 07 13:24:03 pb_: Are you there? Aug 07 13:27:47 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rbb045a5a... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added diffstat to feed Aug 07 13:27:51 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rb429c0f1... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add diffstat. Aug 07 13:28:00 koen: you? :) Aug 07 13:28:14 ? Aug 07 13:28:25 someone has apparently merged? Aug 07 13:29:12 or not Aug 07 13:34:21 lamikr: hello Aug 07 13:36:33 NAiL: monotone-viz makes it much easier Aug 07 13:36:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * readb0128... 10/packages/libgpewidget/ (libgpewidget-0.102/cairo.patch libgpewidget_0.102.bb): Apply patch from CVS (Thanks Phil!) to fix cairo. More vector goodness in gpewidget!! Aug 07 13:37:01 JustinP: quite possible. Is there monotone-viz available for windows? ;) Aug 07 13:37:03 pb: Hi, koen suggested to ask whether you know how to get oe build to add new module to /etc/modules file? Aug 07 13:37:39 pb: We would need to get omapts added there when we make gpe-image for familiar-0.8.3 distro. Aug 07 13:38:57 lamikr: generally, the hotplug mechanism would take care of that. But, if that isn't happening, you can use the MODULE_AUTOLOAD mechanism instead. Aug 07 13:39:49 NAiL: I doubt it. You can always run a vncserver on a linux box Aug 07 13:40:00 * koen wishes ipkg would say "you're not root! go away" when installing as a mortal user Aug 07 13:40:03 Where is this MODULE_AUTOLOAD method done? Aug 07 13:40:10 In kernel.bbclass. Aug 07 13:40:27 koen: shouldn't be hard to do ;) Aug 07 13:40:45 pb: I will check it now. Aug 07 13:50:16 very good Aug 07 13:59:29 pb: So if I add line module_autoload_omapts="omapts" to kernel.bbclass, it will be added there: Would it be possible to add there some kind of condition check like: if (machine == h6300) then module_autoload_omapts="omapts" ? Aug 07 14:04:51 * chouimat|busy is away: food Aug 07 14:05:46 NAiL: (using monotone-viz): so you did a propagate at T21:56:02 (I see mickeyl's revisions coming in) but then [cc]smart's checkin is prior to that. I guess this pushes the common ancestor back to my propagate on 5T23:34:08 Aug 07 14:07:46 quick question, how do I search for a specific file name Aug 07 14:13:42 That really is the greatest common ancestor (my merge). Aug 07 14:16:36 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r299d7ad5... 10/packages/tetex/ (tetex-texmf_3.0.bb tetex_3.0.bb): tetex: add tetex-texmf, package tetex more fine granular Aug 07 14:21:06 I'm going to try merging 85d8528d47a6cf1ff8d3c10b55e327fea4c8262b into org.openembedded.nslu2-linux - that revision is in between rpurdie's two changes. Aug 07 14:27:30 Done - had to chose [cc]smart's packages/postfix/files/main.cf_2.0 carefully because the prior revision was coming back in from OE. Aug 07 14:32:30 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r9467bebb... 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Aug 07 14:32:30 explicit_merge of 85d8528d47a6cf1ff8d3c10b55e327fea4c8262b Aug 07 14:32:30 and 3fdd532025257c25f1c852c0042381869d25b9d6 Aug 07 14:32:30 using ancestor Aug 07 14:32:30 to branch 'org.openembedded.nslu2-linux' Aug 07 14:38:51 It's fixed. Aug 07 15:22:46 g' evening all Aug 07 15:23:06 hey TheMaskedUnit Aug 07 15:23:35 * chouimat|busy is back. Aug 07 15:28:08 FYI: Don't play with E*, there's a huge update coming from me tomorrow touching all of EFL. Aug 07 15:28:20 mickey|zzZZzz: cool Aug 07 15:28:29 mickey|zzZZzz: guten nacht Aug 07 15:28:35 Gute Nacht :) Aug 07 15:29:00 ~lart Faelle Aug 07 15:29:00 * ibot pries Faelle's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Faelle Aug 07 16:19:26 'night all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 17:30:53 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 18:12:11 2005 Aug 07 19:58:40 kergoth: magnia's hard drive finally died Aug 07 20:31:37 * france is back (gone 68:19:43) Aug 07 20:50:24 http://alioth.debian.org/projects/splashy .. nifty Aug 07 20:51:08 hmmm Aug 07 20:51:14 think I'm ready for a nap Aug 07 20:51:16 travel sucks Aug 07 20:51:18 heh Aug 07 20:51:18 yep Aug 07 20:51:21 whered ya go? Aug 07 20:51:37 yellowstone Aug 07 20:51:47 ah, cool Aug 07 20:51:52 http://kergoth.com/files/WOW/KergothWOWBits_1.6/Interface/ChangeLog.TXT .. heh Aug 07 20:51:57 painful week :p Aug 07 20:52:10 ? Aug 07 20:52:17 * kergoth has his world of warcraft addon set in a subversion repo, hoooked up to CIA, sending notices to his guild's irc channel :P Aug 07 20:52:22 hahaha Aug 07 20:52:37 scary Aug 07 20:52:42 indeed Aug 07 20:52:52 what server? Aug 07 20:53:00 http://kergoth.com/files/WOW/KergothWOWBits_1.6/Interface/README.TXT .. autogenerated readme, reads the .toc files in the addons Aug 07 20:53:03 hehe Aug 07 20:53:06 suramar Aug 07 20:53:10 horde Aug 07 20:53:11 cool Aug 07 20:53:18 doing molten core right now Aug 07 20:53:28 obligatory screenshot - http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot43.jpg Aug 07 20:53:29 nice Aug 07 20:53:44 my highest char is only 44. i stopped playing my 40 alliance main Aug 07 20:54:57 just attempted an Uldaman run the other day Aug 07 20:55:04 got our asses handed to us by the giant at the end Aug 07 20:55:13 * kergoth needs to level a bit more Aug 07 20:56:01 treke|home: you do battlegrounds at all? Aug 07 20:56:04 treke|home: i love wsg Aug 07 20:56:25 some times Aug 07 20:56:28 wsg is a pain Aug 07 20:56:34 i love it when people arent being fucking idiots Aug 07 20:56:35 av is fun at times Aug 07 20:56:40 so many dont have any grasp of basic strategy Aug 07 20:56:45 when you get 10 people you know it's good Aug 07 20:56:53 yeah Aug 07 20:57:21 treke|home: check out this wsg addon. on the right, below monkeyquest and above my chat windows. http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot40.jpg Aug 07 20:57:30 http://treke.net/icons/image2.gif Aug 07 20:57:36 bleh Aug 07 20:57:41 http://treke.net/~ggilbert/WoWScrnShot_080705_205408.jpg Aug 07 20:57:43 hehe Aug 07 20:58:02 damn thats a beast :) Aug 07 20:58:26 that's the first creature Aug 07 20:58:34 we're 5 feet from the portal Aug 07 20:58:39 cool Aug 07 20:59:43 actually that isn't a beast Aug 07 21:00:15 i figured that after you said it was 5 feet from the portal :P Aug 07 21:00:55 http://treke.net/~ggilbert/WoWScrnShot_073005_230532.jpg Aug 07 21:01:45 we've got that to 52% now :) Aug 07 21:04:56 http://treke.net/~ggilbert/Onyxia.wmv Aug 07 21:05:01 much more impressive in video form :p Aug 07 21:12:01 we are suckingbad Aug 07 21:14:42 molten core is funny. the portal is a window over lava Aug 07 21:14:49 and if you aren't in a raid, it doesnt work Aug 07 21:15:00 so people finish the quest to get in and try jumping through Aug 07 21:15:03 then they land in the lava Aug 07 21:39:44 * france is away: Away Aug 07 23:36:07 i am curious ... Aug 07 23:36:39 did we change the name to bitbake before the otehr bake was created? Aug 07 23:36:53 http://projects.bertram-scharpf.de/bake/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 23:59:56 2005