**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 17 02:59:56 2005 Aug 17 03:00:23 XorA: Sorry, got distracted by work. I think I just checked spitz realted changes in last night Aug 17 03:00:43 XorA:We are using the -mm tree so a vicious oom killer isn't entirely a surprise... Aug 17 03:01:33 RP: tis cool, oom killer went on a rampage against my panel icons :-) Aug 17 03:47:16 JustinP: e17genmenu would need to be patched for GPE. Just give me a compiler for eap's and we're set ;) edje_cc requires gcc... .eap's are really just "eet" archives, however, the image inside is encoded. Aug 17 03:49:33 hi people , i want to use linux on the atmel 8bit microcontroller is it possible Aug 17 03:49:40 * CoreDump|home goes to work Aug 17 04:03:54 BusyBox 1.01 is out Aug 17 04:03:54 http://www.busybox.net/ Aug 17 04:10:48 whats this about the netherlands OE thing? Aug 17 04:11:15 mithro: We need to bother gerwinin Aug 17 04:17:45 zecke: know of cheap way to get from stockholm to Amsterdam then? :P Aug 17 04:34:55 i am trying to compile gxine. i get errors like these --- http://pastebin.ca/20242 Aug 17 04:35:46 eJumbo: what do you think the error could be? Aug 17 04:35:46 it is looking for libasound and libaudiofile. i dont know which package gives libasound. and libaudiofile already exists on my system. dont know why i get that error. Aug 17 04:36:04 zecke: it is a linker error Aug 17 04:36:11 eJumbo: look at line three Aug 17 04:36:17 -L/usr/lib Aug 17 04:36:59 ya. Aug 17 04:37:19 eJumbo: now find out who puts it there ;) Aug 17 04:37:35 and then make libxine stop that Aug 17 04:37:40 i guess since it did not find libasound in the usual place it goes on and sees at /usr/lib Aug 17 04:38:09 the usual place is staging directory... Aug 17 04:38:21 and i dont have libasound there. Aug 17 04:38:42 ah well, then you found a bug in the xine configure script Aug 17 04:39:02 grab your autotools skills and fix the acinclude or aclocal file of xine Aug 17 04:39:21 eJumbo: cross compiling is a tough business Aug 17 04:41:23 thats why i use OE. Aug 17 04:41:27 :-) Aug 17 04:42:26 eJumbo: Now comes a guess Aug 17 04:42:46 xine finds /usr/include/asound.h, compiles and executes an example Aug 17 04:43:01 because it has crappy use of autotools, you could fix that Aug 17 04:46:22 zecke: i dont know. what u r saying. what i understood from the error is it first tries to find the library in the lib directory in staging directory. if it is not found it tries to find at std. places /usr/lib... Aug 17 04:47:02 The Linker (arm-linux) know how a arm-linux lib looks like and it finds a unknown format lib at /usr/lib and throws up that error. Aug 17 04:47:21 i dont know about auto-tools u r refferring to. i am a newbie Aug 17 04:47:58 right Aug 17 04:48:40 eJumbo: wade through the configure log of xine and look what it did Aug 17 04:48:57 what it found (libasound) and then you can check where it found it Aug 17 04:49:49 hail zecke Aug 17 04:51:38 eJumbo: alternatively remove the libasound-dev package from your system Aug 17 05:00:04 zecke: i dont have a libasound in my staging lib directory. in run.do_configure: The library paths (staging/lib) are there Aug 17 05:00:23 i still dont get what u r thinking ? or want me to think ? Aug 17 05:00:36 eJumbo: read the autoconf/automake manual Aug 17 05:00:48 eJumbo: xine believes it has libasound available Aug 17 05:01:01 eJumbo: check the logs for where it thinks this libasound is at Aug 17 05:01:20 ok Aug 17 05:07:37 ah: u want me to find out why it started compiling in the first place. configure script must have given an error is what u think - why did it compile ? Aug 17 05:09:07 eJumbo: I want to see what autoconf tested and where it found libasound Aug 17 05:12:41 zecke: not familiar with autoconf: just trying to read some beginners guide. Aug 17 05:16:23 eJumbo: it runs a couple of tests and saves the result Aug 17 05:17:50 basics i know- it searches for components whether it exists in the system or not what r thier paths and generates a make file. Aug 17 05:18:14 but trying to find how it does not. Aug 17 05:20:30 i have one line in configure.log which states : ESD_LIBS='-L/usr/lib -lesd -laudiofile -lm -lasound' Aug 17 05:20:39 is this what u r looking for ? Aug 17 05:20:54 eJumbo: esd-config was called? Aug 17 05:22:16 zecke: i dont get u. i found this line in config.log Aug 17 05:22:52 eJumbo: how did it come to that conclusion? what did it execute to get this information Aug 17 05:23:36 ok Aug 17 05:23:38 ALSA_LIBS="-lasound $ALSA_LIBS" Aug 17 05:23:38 if test x$ALSA_STATIC_LIB != x; then Aug 17 05:23:38 ALSA_STATIC_LIB="$ALSA_STATIC_LIB/lib/libasound.a" Aug 17 05:23:38 else Aug 17 05:23:39 ALSA_STATIC_LIB="/usr/$XINE_LIBNAME/libasound.a" Aug 17 05:23:41 fi Aug 17 05:24:31 i am sorry. i should have used pastebin Aug 17 05:24:47 ALSA != ESD Aug 17 05:31:56 is there any specific file i should check ? Aug 17 05:32:15 i have some references to ESD in alocal.m4 Aug 17 05:32:41 sorry aclocal.m4 Aug 17 05:35:48 eJumbo: there could be a m4/ directory as well Aug 17 05:46:48 zecke: there is a esd.m4 file and i have uploaded the file at http://pastebin.ca/20248 Aug 17 05:47:04 i really could not make out ... Aug 17 05:47:08 XorA: Have you noticed any regressions in the corgi battery handling over the past while? Aug 17 05:49:02 RP: no, but I spend a lot of time on USB cable Aug 17 05:49:17 RP: although it never does seem to charge on USB, its always charging Aug 17 05:49:57 eJumbo: try --with-esd-exec-prefix? Aug 17 05:50:11 XorA: Does it change with a normal power adapter? Aug 17 05:50:13 eJumbo: I'm a m4 auto* idiot as well Aug 17 05:50:19 s/change/charge/ Aug 17 05:51:21 zecke: i really dont know whats happening. Aug 17 05:53:06 $esd_prefix/bin/esd-config Aug 17 05:53:11 /usr/bin/esd-config Aug 17 05:53:20 obviously returns your desktop esd configuration Aug 17 05:53:54 RP: yes, that charges like normal Aug 17 05:54:37 what does esd-config do ? Aug 17 05:54:49 XorA: I guess its because when usb connected the device is running and hence using power... Aug 17 05:57:05 RP: probably, I might have changed USB port or new cable has more resistance Aug 17 05:57:35 I'd swear there were two things I needed to get back from one of the previous drivers... Aug 17 05:57:56 I can remember one, I can't think what the other is... Aug 17 06:29:09 heya Aug 17 06:29:12 RP: did some tests with Spitz/2.6 Aug 17 06:29:34 RP: it oopses somewhere in soc_common/pcmcia during boot Aug 17 06:29:46 RP: it can't open the initial console - any idea why? Aug 17 06:30:00 RP: Opie works fine if calibrated with tslib. Aug 17 06:30:22 Do we plan to rotate the pxafb in kernel or do I need to adjust default rotation to 270 on Spitz/2.6 ? Aug 17 06:33:49 hi mickeyl Aug 17 06:33:53 morning pb_ Aug 17 06:53:00 RP: I turned down my backlight and it magically finished charging, I must have been on the border Aug 17 07:05:35 morning Aug 17 07:06:07 hyperion.kergoth.com is down :(( Aug 17 07:06:15 my music archives.. irc.. personal svn.. Aug 17 07:06:16 * kergoth sighs Aug 17 07:09:28 kergoth: suck Aug 17 07:10:39 XorA: That's handy to know :) Aug 17 07:11:06 hi mickeyl Aug 17 07:11:36 mickeyl: I've not seen oopes so that is rather strange. Do you have the backtrace? Aug 17 07:12:00 ~lart me for being an idiot of the 1st class Aug 17 07:12:00 * ibot beats xora into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy for being an idiot of the 1st class Aug 17 07:12:17 mickeyl: For now, we need to adjust the default rotation. I can't see the framebuffer rotation being easily changed Aug 17 07:12:36 mickeyl: I'd be interested to know how/where you do that :) Aug 17 07:13:24 mickeyl: What's your impression of 2.6 so far? (apart from the oops) ;-) Aug 17 07:16:58 mickeyl: Acutally, how did you get opie running if it can't open consoles? :) Aug 17 07:17:07 when i tried to build an image with gxine. it looks for libxine-plugin-decode-image which is not provided by any package ? Aug 17 07:19:43 eventhough it compiles without any problems. when it tries to build rootfs. it says ipkg dependency error... Aug 17 07:29:43 has anybody used gxine -- sound player Aug 17 07:31:11 eJumbo: Its been months since I last tried it Aug 17 07:37:58 Xora: has it got a dependepcy problem ? Aug 17 07:38:28 it compiles and fails during rootfs construction --- ipkg dependency problem Aug 17 07:41:32 eJumbo: as a hack you could always remove the dependncy on libxine-plugin-decode-image by hand Aug 17 07:42:31 but i dont know what it is for ? Aug 17 07:42:38 and may be it may not work ? Aug 17 07:42:53 some expert has put there for some reason. Aug 17 07:42:56 :-) Aug 17 07:43:28 eJumbo: I cant build it, my env is buggered Aug 17 07:43:37 since, i am a newbie. i dont want to do what i dont know. it may affect something else Aug 17 07:43:40 ok Aug 17 07:43:41 * joshua_ pings the person at his workplace who is responsible for talking to you guys to get OE building for out plaf Aug 17 07:43:43 our plaf Aug 17 07:44:17 eJumbo: that plugin lets xine loads jpg/png/gif files I beleive, not essential :-) Aug 17 07:45:45 will try Aug 17 07:48:44 afternoon Aug 17 07:52:28 Xora: what does 'libxine-plugin-dmx-image' do Aug 17 07:52:41 i can remove this aswell from dependcy list Aug 17 07:52:46 Heh - I was trying to figure out who Xora was... :) Aug 17 07:53:39 Xora: one of the core-guys Aug 17 07:53:48 i guess Aug 17 07:54:06 CosmicPenguin: eh? Aug 17 07:54:07 he maintains gqview and may be countless packages Aug 17 07:54:30 eJumbo: only a few and far from core Aug 17 07:55:40 but closer to the core than most of us. Aug 17 07:56:16 Xora: libxine-plugin-dmx-image -- do u know what this does Aug 17 07:56:32 can i remove it from the depency list Aug 17 07:56:41 eJumbo: demux's images, which probably approximates to doing nothing Aug 17 08:05:08 eJumbo: ahah, the image plugins didnt get generated because libxine failed to find PNG Aug 17 08:17:59 eJumbo: libxine-x11 is missing a libpng depend I beleive Aug 17 08:18:03 Xora: just removing those from the .bb does not work Aug 17 08:18:10 so what do i do now Aug 17 08:18:50 eJumbo: did you remake the packages? Aug 17 08:19:05 yes Aug 17 08:19:10 cleaned all Aug 17 08:19:14 eJumbo: what goes wrong? Aug 17 08:19:15 and did all over again Aug 17 08:19:20 same error Aug 17 08:20:00 ok shall i add libpng in the depends of gxine Aug 17 08:20:03 are u sure Aug 17 08:20:17 eJumbo: need to andd libpng to DEPENDS in libxine-x11 Aug 17 08:20:37 eJumbo: and change PR = to "r1" Aug 17 08:20:53 eJumbo: then remake libxine and it should now produce those pakages Aug 17 08:21:06 * XorA doesnt have time to fix in OE, just going to run to a meeting Aug 17 08:21:23 eJumbo: if that works, file a bug report to remind me to fix it Aug 17 08:22:33 ok Aug 17 08:22:44 is it libpng Aug 17 08:23:03 because when i do a grep nothing depends on it till now Aug 17 08:24:40 eJumbo: yes it is libpng Aug 17 08:25:16 asked because no packages depends on it till now! Aug 17 08:26:04 eJumbo: you must have typoed, loads of packages depend on it Aug 17 08:26:36 anyway, sorry to leave you Aug 17 08:27:35 typo error Aug 17 08:34:29 Hey all. I'm experimenting with OE for a project at my work. I'm wondering what the rationale was for going with monotone? Aug 17 08:36:56 open source and easy to use i guess Aug 17 08:40:21 They chose it because of the distributed model Aug 17 08:40:34 much easier to interact with all the individual distros that share OE metadata Aug 17 08:43:35 Xora: it does not work. adding libpng does not work Aug 17 08:59:13 Is the OE repository server particularly slow today, or is it normal for a monotone pull (on top of a couple week old pull) to take over half an hour. Aug 17 09:05:18 CoreDump|afk: No, I still have not tried the "e-image". I moved it to nonworking because it's not working. I did fix a bunch of problems that entrance was having, however, and made it work with the current Xinit, Xsession, and Xserver scripts. Aug 17 09:06:02 CoreDump|afk: Now that I've got e-wm and entrance usable and (mostly) bug free I'll probably take a further look into the e-image. Likely this will mean refactoring how the scripts are getting set up for Xinit/Xsession. Aug 17 09:12:40 kanaka: It can be quite slow if there are a lot of changes to catch up with :-( Aug 17 09:18:20 kanaka: it's not the server that's slow, it's your computer :-| Verifying the revisions can take a while Aug 17 09:20:06 heh Aug 17 09:20:26 it's not the computers fault that monotone is slow by design Aug 17 09:21:20 reenoo_: It's not slow by design, per se, it's just secure by design and this happens to make it slow Aug 17 09:21:48 aha Aug 17 09:24:48 frankly, that type of nitpicking is nonsense Aug 17 09:25:51 according to zecke's quick analysis several of the algorithms monotone has to use due to how it handles revision are in a complexity class that makes the whole thing slow by design Aug 17 09:36:43 CoreDump|afk: e_util_eap_edit Aug 17 09:45:29 so people whats happening with this conference? Aug 17 09:56:50 RP: I enabled PCNET and logged in via ssh over my ethernet card Aug 17 10:02:40 RP: the default rotation for hinge sensor devices is controlled @ http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/libopie2/opiecore/device/odevice_zaurus.cpp?rev=1.41&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup Aug 17 10:02:45 around line 546ff Aug 17 10:07:20 So when did bitbake fork off of portage? Aug 17 10:09:13 never. Aug 17 10:09:20 bitbake was inspired by portage Aug 17 10:09:22 from the beginning Aug 17 10:09:32 that isnt correct. the initial codebase was literally a copy & paste of portage.py Aug 17 10:09:41 lazy Aug 17 10:09:43 :D Aug 17 10:10:42 :) Aug 17 10:15:15 yeah, I thought so Aug 17 10:15:23 too many similarities Aug 17 10:16:18 * mithro beats kergoth, not spose to tell people that Aug 17 10:17:48 hey, it's open source...you *can* do that Aug 17 10:19:34 argh Aug 17 10:19:57 ~lart efl.bbclass Aug 17 10:19:57 * ibot plops efl.bbclass into a giant vat of herring Aug 17 10:21:06 * JustinP prepares a PR update for...well, I'm not sure what all EFL packages... Aug 17 10:21:57 everything in packages/efl inherits efl Aug 17 10:22:09 so just bump the PR of packages/efl/*.bb Aug 17 10:24:11 yeah.. Aug 17 10:24:22 well, I'm just altering the package ordering Aug 17 10:24:33 ordering? Aug 17 10:24:43 the themes packages weren't getting created because the examples package was snapping up all the files Aug 17 10:24:49 ah righto Aug 17 10:24:51 damn, still not working... Aug 17 10:24:57 right order now, though Aug 17 10:26:38 damn it...why is examples stealing the theme? Aug 17 10:26:55 commit and let me have a look Aug 17 10:28:16 ok, pushing Aug 17 10:28:34 the packages get created in the right order but I guess the install is fubarred somehow... Aug 17 10:28:44 * JustinP isn't sure how the install step gets run Aug 17 10:28:51 RP: adding remount,rw to /etc/fstab helps for the boot process ;) Aug 17 10:29:06 mithro: heh, i'm fine with telling people where all our cruft and shitty code came from :P Aug 17 10:29:14 portage is a flaming pile of dog shit Aug 17 10:29:23 heh Aug 17 10:29:25 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * ra4b7846e... 10/classes/efl.bbclass: Alter ordering of PACKAGES to allow themes package to get its files (still not working for ewl, however) Aug 17 10:30:48 RP: http://vanille.de/temp/RP/dmesg.txt Aug 17 10:30:56 RP: shiny oops backtrace Aug 17 10:30:58 :D Aug 17 10:33:05 JustinP: hehe Aug 17 10:33:19 JustinP: look sharp into your class again Aug 17 10:33:26 it's a typo :) Aug 17 10:33:49 damn Aug 17 10:33:51 wanna find it yourself or should i give ahint? Aug 17 10:33:59 forgot to add the 's' on the FILES line Aug 17 10:34:00 thanks Aug 17 10:34:03 *nod* Aug 17 10:34:53 ~lart boost Aug 17 10:34:53 * ibot squeezes boost till boost turns blue like papa smurf Aug 17 10:34:56 C++ SUCKS! Aug 17 10:35:29 boost is horrible Aug 17 10:35:59 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * rc9530ced... 10/classes/efl.bbclass: Add missing s on FILES for themes package Aug 17 10:36:03 It has taken my opteron and brought it to its knees Aug 17 10:38:06 yes, it takes forever to compile that beast Aug 17 10:38:30 CosmicPenguin: what are you compiling it for? Are you perhaps on Gentoo? Aug 17 10:40:48 JustinP: yeah - I needed to update my mt version Aug 17 10:42:25 CosmicPenguin: ah. I was going to say that if you're already at mt 0.22 and you're updating boost you need to revdep-rebuild Aug 17 10:42:47 CosmicPenguin: the newest boost build killed my monotone until I rebuilt it Aug 17 10:42:51 heh Aug 17 10:43:00 nope - going from .19 on a system that just recently became MT aware Aug 17 10:43:07 ok Aug 17 10:44:58 * chouimat is away: busy Aug 17 10:48:42 ~seen sirfred Aug 17 10:48:45 sirfred <~mteira@253.Red-81-35-59.pooles.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 71d 1h 7m 58s ago, saying: 'Good evening.'. Aug 17 10:53:09 hey mickeyl Aug 17 10:53:16 hi mithro Aug 17 10:53:31 you know that OE meeting thingy Aug 17 10:53:44 heard about it Aug 17 10:53:50 i can't make it if it's on the 28th got a swedish language exam :/ Aug 17 10:53:58 if it's on the week after i should be able to come Aug 17 10:56:04 i can't come either. The rest of the year is pretty busy Aug 17 10:56:23 gerwini and koen will be organizing Aug 17 10:56:28 dunno much more about it Aug 17 11:03:49 mithro: August is a terrible month for me as well Aug 17 11:04:45 zecke: maybe we should all poke koen and gerwini Aug 17 11:06:20 yes we should do :} Aug 17 11:07:58 I've a bigger Agenda at Cuntcast äh Contcast Aug 17 11:09:07 ? Aug 17 11:11:43 mithro: another summer project Aug 17 11:11:55 Berlin looks like a boom town currently Aug 17 11:15:16 i wouldn't recommend using the name Cuntcast anywhere near english speaking people :P Aug 17 11:15:43 mithro: ;) it is named Contcast Aug 17 11:15:56 ahh :P Aug 17 11:16:00 mithro: but some germans for whatever reason pronounce it as Cuntcast Aug 17 11:16:10 mithro: same for Kantstrasse -> Cuntstreet :} Aug 17 11:16:16 i guess they don't know english then :P Aug 17 11:16:30 mithro: or only none colloquial language Aug 17 11:17:33 yeah Aug 17 11:18:00 at this rate you'll get OE rated for people over 18 only (or 21 in the US :) Aug 17 11:18:34 koen|slug: We are going to destroy 'you' know. Actually I believe Germany to lose Aug 17 11:18:36 19 Aug 17 11:18:42 not 21 Aug 17 11:18:51 "Adults Only" is 18 Aug 17 11:19:14 "M" is 17 and "AO" is 18....where's the logic in this? Aug 17 11:19:40 "I don't want my 17-year-old seeing this simulated sex minigame....oh, but 18 is ok" Aug 17 11:19:42 me is 15 in Australia Aug 17 11:19:50 bah Aug 17 11:19:57 * mithro ponders where the me is came from Aug 17 11:20:01 Differenciated - M has less bad connotations to people then XXX Aug 17 11:20:12 true Aug 17 11:20:17 Adult only implies hard core Aug 17 11:20:25 I was talking about the game ratings, though Aug 17 11:20:26 At least it does in the red states... :) Aug 17 11:20:35 no, it doesn't Aug 17 11:20:46 so in the US you are responsible enough to start a family before you are responsible enough to drink? Aug 17 11:20:52 (well maybe it means that to people..) Aug 17 11:21:06 if you read the ESRP descriptions it really makes no sense whatsoever.. Aug 17 11:21:11 JustinP: its all about perception, otherwise we wouldn't even be having this discussion Aug 17 11:21:16 mithro: ain't that wonderful? Aug 17 11:21:22 CosmicPenguin: true Aug 17 11:21:36 Well, technically, you can start a family whenever you want - all it takes a few body parts Aug 17 11:21:38 CosmicPenguin: I still think it's stupid for all thos hoopla to be brought up over a *single year* Aug 17 11:21:43 and a bottle of scotch Aug 17 11:22:16 JustinP: but doesn't the father generally get thrown in jail if the girl is under 18? Aug 17 11:22:55 CosmicPenguin: I hear you can pull it off without the scotch Aug 17 11:22:55 mithro: yes Aug 17 11:23:19 * zecke_ kicks the tinderbox2 Aug 17 11:23:31 treke: really? Never tried it that way.... .:) Aug 17 11:23:50 treke: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-cenarioncircle&t=145812&p=1&tmp=1#post145812 Aug 17 11:23:53 treke: read post #3, then post #5 Aug 17 11:23:54 CosmicPenguin: yeah, crazy Aug 17 11:24:04 kergoth, probbably seen it Aug 17 11:24:07 yup seen it Aug 17 11:24:24 hehe Aug 17 11:24:29 good stuff Aug 17 11:24:41 god I love kpilot Aug 17 11:24:42 hehe Aug 17 11:24:47 it works at least 50% of the time Aug 17 11:25:07 http://swa.joskeonline.com/RandomStuff/Afbeeldingen/whine.gif <-i love that one Aug 17 11:25:27 03rw 07org.oe.dev * raee86300... 10/packages/make/make-native_3.80.bb: make: add -native variant Aug 17 11:25:31 03rw 07org.oe.dev * r885d9047... 10/packages/gstreamer/ (5 files in 3 dirs): gstreamer: set DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" for gst-plugins_0.8.8 and gstreamer_0.8.10. apply filesrc-uri.patch to gstreamer_0.8.9. Aug 17 11:25:41 kergoth: he he Aug 17 11:27:05 kergoth: the guys mom is also 2 levels higher then he is... thats a bit scarey Aug 17 11:28:59 hehe Aug 17 11:29:59 Whats sad is that the mothers post is at 8:44 in the morning Aug 17 11:30:40 hi to all Aug 17 11:30:52 I only have one mother as a reference, but I don't recall her having the time to do WoW early in the morning.. :) Aug 17 11:31:22 CosmicPenguin: my guess is she has been up all night gaming :P Aug 17 11:34:57 wonderful goal Aug 17 11:35:31 zecke goal ... looking a soccer game ? Aug 17 11:36:12 gremlin[it]: yes Germany vs. Netherlands Aug 17 11:36:29 * emte contemplates ecore_ipc handshaking love Aug 17 11:36:59 ohhh i know (but i'm not looking) are also playing italy vs Ireland if i remember correct ... :) Aug 17 11:40:33 he dont do drugs he dont do sex he's a monstasaurus rex ... godrilla! Aug 17 11:40:48 mickeyl: is there something like bk changes -L? Aug 17 11:41:54 i need to take a 2 page text file and cram it onto one page, and also reduce the left & right margins for the print so i can get the fucker on one page Aug 17 11:42:02 anyone know how to do that? linux, gnome Aug 17 11:42:03 heh Aug 17 11:42:05 ot Aug 17 11:42:17 kergoth: use os x?? Aug 17 11:42:23 ;) Aug 17 11:42:25 bah Aug 17 11:42:33 should be able to do it in cups/lpr Aug 17 11:42:42 nost printers support that Aug 17 11:42:45 most* Aug 17 11:42:46 one thing that puts me off Linux is the printing Aug 17 11:43:17 nah cups works great Aug 17 11:43:27 a2ps can do it maybe ... Aug 17 11:44:14 surelly making in 2 columns ... don't know if reduce margins :( Aug 17 11:44:32 could just drop it into OO as well, change to single spaced and drop the font size by 2 Aug 17 11:45:35 hmm only 9 revs lastnight Aug 17 11:47:29 normal people are in vacation :) Aug 17 11:47:36 lol Aug 17 11:48:09 i think my brain went with em Aug 17 11:48:18 hahaha :) Aug 17 11:48:51 i am trying to think of amusing things for my ipc connection to send/reply Aug 17 11:52:06 gremlin[it]TV: thanks, a2ps can do it Aug 17 11:52:18 --lines-per-page will scale it to fit that many lines, so i used that to scale the doc down to fit on one page Aug 17 11:57:37 What is bitbake doing when "Handling BitBake files" and why does it do it every time? Building a dep tree? Aug 17 12:01:43 nothing kergoth ... Aug 17 12:02:21 kanaka: It is called grid computing, I trade your cpu time for money Aug 17 12:02:56 kanaka: currently we blame the regexp based parser for it Aug 17 12:03:40 a-atwoo1: hi Aug 17 12:03:44 kergoth: hide ;) Aug 17 12:04:31 zecke_: so it is build a dep-graph from the bb files then? Aug 17 12:05:06 zecke could be nice to do grid conputing to compile with oe ;) Aug 17 12:14:59 So I'm following the GettingStarted guide: I set local.conf to build for "epia" and bitbake nano tries building gcc-cross-initial-3.4.4-r1 and errors out because it can't find signal.h. Aug 17 12:15:03 So does OE have a bugzilla? Aug 17 12:18:48 kanaka: bugs.openembedded.org Aug 17 12:18:54 kanaka: right Aug 17 12:31:34 mhh monotone vs bk ... are about aqually fast during pull ??? i'm boring doind first pull ... :( Aug 17 12:32:27 no Aug 17 12:32:39 bk was about 3000x faster Aug 17 12:33:03 an initial monotone pull without the snapshot is ~11 hours Aug 17 12:33:11 sigh ... i'll make crazy with my ISDN connection :( :( :( Aug 17 12:33:34 if your using the snapshot it will be about an hour Aug 17 12:34:03 at now i'm taking the snapshoy (4hour only to it but i can resume) ... Aug 17 12:35:12 the slowness are for cpu or data transfer ? Aug 17 12:35:25 both Aug 17 12:35:54 sigh ... ;( Aug 17 12:36:48 its almost to the point that oe needs to be divided to be managable for non-broadband users Aug 17 12:37:32 yup Aug 17 12:37:47 OE-3G! Aug 17 12:38:50 i know about nothing about ... but what are main difference between git and monotone ? Aug 17 12:40:07 So why doesn't oe use rsync for their bb tree like Gentoo does. Is it really just for the distro flexibility? Aug 17 12:40:25 rsync is inappropreate Aug 17 12:40:54 maybe rsync is good to substitute 'pull' ... nut nothing more ... Aug 17 12:41:04 OE has hundreds of people accessing the repo at once Aug 17 12:41:25 you cant "lock" it for one user and make everyone wait Aug 17 12:41:35 myabe oe is becabing a big project suck as kernel :) Aug 17 12:41:54 actually its larger i've found out Aug 17 12:42:03 per kernel Aug 17 12:42:11 not all kernels Aug 17 12:42:32 yes i suppose official vanilal kernel Aug 17 12:43:34 hg is being used translating back and forth with git Aug 17 12:43:58 i am pretty much crashing the server using it with oe Aug 17 12:44:15 ohh Aug 17 12:45:52 i suppose i could mail you a snapshot ... i really dont know how long its going to take you over ISDN Aug 17 12:46:02 mhhh before i start ... monotone permit to pull/checkout a subdirectory of the repository ? Aug 17 12:46:36 emte 3minutes to finish the snapshot ... Aug 17 12:47:04 i thought you said 4 hours/ Aug 17 12:47:34 emte : i really hate the palce where i live ... (and italy in general) for data communications ... Aug 17 12:47:46 emte yes but i started this afternoon :) Aug 17 12:47:51 ah Aug 17 12:48:38 you need to hit the lotto and buy a sat link Aug 17 12:49:12 mhhh sat link is not so good ... there is a huge (some seconds) latency ... :( Aug 17 12:50:03 with a lotto i prefear take an appartement few Km from here and for 40E/month have a 6Mbit ADSL :) Aug 17 12:50:21 yeah that sounds better Aug 17 12:50:24 really 3Km from here .. :( ... sigh ... Aug 17 12:50:55 buy 3k of fiber :) Aug 17 12:51:39 ah well Aug 17 12:51:50 i have a backbone fiber more close to my home (about 200 m) ... but only pass throug my small city ... Aug 17 12:51:55 i should have fiber to my house but i dont Aug 17 12:52:29 mhh closer to big city in italy we have fastweb ... Aug 17 12:52:47 yeah thats normal Aug 17 12:52:49 it use fiber to give TV + phone + data in house :) Aug 17 12:53:21 we have the most fiber in NA but 70-someodd % is dark Aug 17 12:54:16 ahhhrgghhhh >> monotone: error: sqlite error [1]: database disk image is malformed << Aug 17 12:54:16 oh well, Bell will buy it up cheap Aug 17 12:54:22 :( Aug 17 12:55:12 someone have check the snapshot present in the GettingStarted page ?! Aug 17 12:55:46 koen has been updating that i think... Aug 17 12:58:11 ok i can only do a full pull ... and wait ... :( Aug 17 12:58:38 how big will be the repo ? the first column monotone show ? Aug 17 13:00:12 Does the epia target machine really need a cross-compiler if I'm on on Athlon XP system? Aug 17 13:01:22 oe build to be indipendet from host distro ... Aug 17 13:01:48 but u can tell oe to trust host compiler ... but don't remember how Aug 17 13:02:00 ASSUME_PROVIDED="gcc-cross" Aug 17 13:02:24 :) Aug 17 13:07:07 morning rwhitby Aug 17 13:09:03 mhh there is a place in web where i can find how many revs the is in current monotone repository ? Aug 17 13:11:51 gremlin[it]: not that I know off hand Aug 17 13:12:33 sigh ok ... i can keep connection up till tomorrow 9 am ... Aug 17 13:12:36 mickeyl: That oops shouldn't be anything to worry about. Comment out the WARN_ON - its just telling us that I changed the socket order - it seems to work ;-) Aug 17 13:12:36 i hope ... Aug 17 13:12:44 gremlin[it], its over 1.9k Aug 17 13:12:56 was 19635 last time i pulled Aug 17 13:13:12 er have one too many number Aug 17 13:13:22 mickeyl: Regarding the ro commandline, I'm not sure why my build doesn't show that up. Maybe my commandline is a bit different. Do you get a console now? Aug 17 13:13:33 i already got only 2202 ... :( ... and now stopped to increase ;( ... Aug 17 13:13:48 :( Aug 17 13:14:46 now oe.db is increasing size ... i can do nothing than hope ... Aug 17 13:14:48 morning mithro Aug 17 13:16:24 * zecke_ waves Aug 17 13:20:35 mickeyl: We keep misisng each other - I'll be back shortly :) Aug 17 13:32:52 CosmicPenguin: seems to be ignoring ASSUME_PROVIDED="gcc-cross" and building gcc anyways. Aug 17 13:33:08 kanaka: thats because nothing depends on gcc-cross directly. Aug 17 13:36:19 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r07dda0bb... 10/packages/efl/ (13 files): Aug 17 13:36:19 Bump PR due to changes in efl.bbclass Aug 17 13:36:19 Add REDEPENDS on ewl and emotion theme packages (programs written for them won't run without the themes) Aug 17 13:36:55 argh...I misspelt it in the *changelog* Aug 17 13:36:58 oh well Aug 17 13:37:23 you need to put aspell in your bash shell :P Aug 17 13:38:55 heh Aug 17 13:39:14 well I misspelt the variable in the BB file as well...took me a little while to figure it out Aug 17 13:39:14 :) Aug 17 13:39:19 lol Aug 17 13:39:25 I don't know why I type things a certain way.... Aug 17 13:39:43 dislessic ? Aug 17 13:39:58 yeah i wondered a while back if i should write myself a bb-verify script Aug 17 13:40:25 just to make sure all the standard stuff was right Aug 17 13:47:37 monotone : verifying revisions .... does this mean is close to end of the pull ??? Aug 17 13:49:33 not really Aug 17 13:49:42 its ~2-5min per rev Aug 17 13:50:15 normally only does about 1/2 the revs tho Aug 17 13:50:17 yes take long time .. but after that it download more ? Aug 17 13:50:33 when you update, otherwise no Aug 17 13:50:55 ok ... for this night just pull can be enought ... Aug 17 13:51:03 thanks emte ... Aug 17 13:51:53 but really as u said oe is quite unmanageable for dialup users at now :( ... Aug 17 13:52:43 emte : to me it take about 10sec for revision check :) ... at least i have a nice CPU :) Aug 17 13:54:34 yeah i need to buy my new one Aug 17 13:54:46 using an old p3 1ghz Aug 17 13:55:03 the new mobo is here ... just looking for the cpu and matched ram Aug 17 13:55:29 P4 or Athlon64 ? Aug 17 13:55:36 p4 Aug 17 13:55:44 no no no no :) :) :) Aug 17 13:55:49 heh Aug 17 13:55:51 prescott board Aug 17 13:56:57 at now with CPU in heavy load checking revs .. it's at only 41 celsious degree !!! P4 isn't suck cold neither in idle ;) :) Aug 17 13:57:12 *such Aug 17 13:57:21 all depends where you clock it Aug 17 13:57:37 none of my systems run over 25C Aug 17 13:57:55 i have an athlon64 3200 (2GHz) Aug 17 13:58:06 well after 8hours compiling they get ~ 32C Aug 17 13:58:40 never saw a P4 as cold as your !!! :) Aug 17 13:58:46 max out the ram and i can afford to underclock it without performance loss Aug 17 13:59:43 yes ... i like che cache manager of AMD ... less which one of P4 ... Aug 17 13:59:48 i dont play games very often Aug 17 14:00:17 me too ... i use only in linux ... Aug 17 14:00:49 play NWN if i get time ... which seems about a week a year Aug 17 14:01:08 and normally thats to play chess :P Aug 17 14:02:05 times ago i play quake3 with linux box ... but more that 3 years ago ... also long time i don't play tuxracer :) ... Aug 17 14:02:32 never played q3, never heard a good review of it Aug 17 14:02:41 heh - people still play tuxracer? Aug 17 14:02:45 yeah Aug 17 14:02:50 still in active dev Aug 17 14:03:02 Didn't it fork due to terminal propriatarism? Aug 17 14:03:04 i think they charge for full version now tho Aug 17 14:03:29 when i was young i went around doing lan-party for gaming :) ... Aug 17 14:03:29 could have Aug 17 14:04:05 before broadbang to play togheter we had to mett us with our computer ;) *LOL* ... Aug 17 14:04:06 CosmicPenguin: it forked because the orignal author decided to chang from the GPL to a proprietary license Aug 17 14:04:53 which for the life of me I don't get Aug 17 14:04:58 hey, anyone have the link to theat Pixel graphics stie? Aug 17 14:05:00 I wouldnt pay 10 cents for tux racer Aug 17 14:05:01 site* Aug 17 14:05:11 isnt pixel long dead? Aug 17 14:05:12 yes ... i saw a FULL release of tuxracer ... really good ... but is not for free ... Aug 17 14:05:48 tehre are a couple Pixel projcets ... but the one i am looking for goes to stable release here next mo Aug 17 14:06:01 it was mentioned by someone here Aug 17 14:06:06 but i lost the link Aug 17 14:07:03 anyway it was the cross-platform graphics suite Aug 17 14:07:34 qt based i think Aug 17 14:07:43 hmmm. well pixdev.sf.net shows no sign of life Aug 17 14:07:50 heh Aug 17 14:07:53 yeah its not that Aug 17 14:07:55 yeah, I really dropped that ball, didn't I? Aug 17 14:08:03 its closed Aug 17 14:08:28 I never actually got pixdev to build :p Aug 17 14:08:32 Oh, well, Pixil was destined to die Aug 17 14:08:51 and any life Microwindows had was snuffed out by twin Aug 17 14:09:08 ahhh and loky games :( ... Aug 17 14:09:28 hehe. loki is thankfully dead :) Aug 17 14:10:08 * chouimat is back. Aug 17 14:10:20 I played far more then my legally allowed Civilization thanks to loki Aug 17 14:10:55 Apparantly that was their best seller Aug 17 14:11:46 me too i got it in a RedHat deluxe release if i remember correct ... Aug 17 14:13:21 loki probably did as much good as bad Aug 17 14:13:37 I'd say they probably did more bad than good Aug 17 14:13:38 there are quite a few new games taht use the loki installer for linux Aug 17 14:14:05 they started to port games ... but after just use a wine-like solution .. that don't play good for games ;( ... Aug 17 14:14:32 I tend to rank shit like screwing your employees as pretty high on the bad scale Aug 17 14:15:20 happens all the time with poor managment Aug 17 14:15:30 could have been worse Aug 17 14:15:47 they could have pulled a "Walt Disney" Aug 17 14:15:56 And what did he do? Aug 17 14:16:29 hired warehouses of animators and when they were finished thier work he would lock the warehouse and refuse to pay them Aug 17 14:16:53 think "witholding money for taxes, but then telling the government money wasnt witheld" Aug 17 14:17:05 and the old "not paying employees" Aug 17 14:17:55 it is up to the employee to leave if they arnt getting paid ... Aug 17 14:18:04 * kergoth installs monotone Aug 17 14:18:10 emte: that' wha they did. Aug 17 14:18:15 * emte pities kergoth Aug 17 14:18:30 I still feel bad for the guy who learned we was being fired when he saw the news on slashdot that the company was shutting down Aug 17 14:18:32 i have a feeling i'm going to hate it Aug 17 14:18:34 will see Aug 17 14:18:39 yeah Aug 17 14:19:05 saw a lot of tech companies do an overnight shutdown Aug 17 14:19:26 the employees would go to work and they wouldnt have a job Aug 17 14:19:43 kergoth: Its just slow :-/ Aug 17 14:20:15 yes i can say SLOW !!! Aug 17 14:20:21 lol Aug 17 14:20:51 ok i go to bed ... keeping revs checking alone ... Aug 17 14:20:53 byeeeeeeeeeee Aug 17 14:21:04 it would probably be faster if the repo could be divided up Aug 17 14:21:26 a-e, f-m, n-s, t-z or somthing Aug 17 14:22:14 problem is then how do you link it all Aug 17 14:22:31 or by "group" ... devel base gpe opie ... or such as ... Aug 17 14:22:38 We probably need a linked svn repository for anyone who just needs to pull Aug 17 14:23:03 re Aug 17 14:23:17 like i said i have hg availible ... but the repo is too large unless you pull via ssh Aug 17 14:23:26 kergoth: monotone isn't bad. Just don't pull from scratch. And make sure to pull at least every few days. (And don't expect pulls to be instant, it always takes a few minutes) Aug 17 14:23:32 but that might only be for another day or so Aug 17 14:23:42 RP: i still get the warning with the initial console, although after adding "-o rw,remount" to my fstab, it proceeds to a prompt now Aug 17 14:24:21 mickeyl: What's the warning? I don't see that... Aug 17 14:25:18 Freeing init memory: 76K Aug 17 14:25:19 Warning: unable to open an initial console. Aug 17 14:25:29 normally that happens when /dev/console is unavailable at the time init is starting Aug 17 14:26:12 mickeyl: This might be becuase I'm running a serial console as well as the pxafb? Aug 17 14:26:35 oui Aug 17 14:26:42 sorry bad window Aug 17 14:27:59 RP: i don't get that on the c7x0 and we're doing the same there Aug 17 14:28:35 mickeyl: Yes, its strange... Aug 17 14:29:06 mickeyl: Its strange I don't see it here... Aug 17 14:29:19 RP: how does your fstab look like? Aug 17 14:29:40 mickeyl: Its a stock image unchanged Aug 17 14:29:46 oops Aug 17 14:29:54 then i'm surprised that it works at all Aug 17 14:30:26 i had to add /dev/hda1 / to fstab Aug 17 14:30:31 otherwise it wouldn't boot Aug 17 14:31:05 This just rolled straight in once the kernel was right... Aug 17 14:31:30 my cmdline is: Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty1 noinitrd root=/dev/hda1 rootfstype=ext3 debug Aug 17 14:35:00 mickeyl: Mine is identical Aug 17 14:35:10 including the three spaces :) Aug 17 14:35:14 heh Aug 17 14:35:17 pretty odd then Aug 17 14:35:33 bitbake opie-image with MACHINE=spitz, DISTRO=openzaurus-3.5.4 and KERNEL_VERSION=2.6 right? Aug 17 14:35:48 Yes. Aug 17 14:35:48 mickeyl: don't forget the quotes ;) Aug 17 14:35:53 :) Aug 17 14:39:55 hmm Aug 17 14:40:21 i wonder if anyone has ever tried to muliplex a scm system ... Aug 17 14:40:55 RP: What really worries me is why Opie doesn't get calibration right. Aug 17 14:41:07 whereas it works fine if we let ts_calibrate handle it Aug 17 14:41:51 mickeyl: don't wonder, look at the matrix calculation Aug 17 14:42:05 hmm Aug 17 14:42:12 mickeyl: That is rather strange. I knew there was something wrong there... Aug 17 14:42:14 mickeyl: also the sanity check in opie-calibrate is void, as my local math geek told me Aug 17 14:42:26 ok, but how can the matrix calculation be affected by 2.4 vs. 2.6? Aug 17 14:42:56 mickeyl: the calculate 1/4 of the matrix Aug 17 14:43:05 mickeyl: Remember it works for c7x0 so this isn't a 2.6 issie... Aug 17 14:43:14 mickeyl: and if your touchscreen is mounted differently Aug 17 14:43:24 mickeyl: or mirrored, or rotated... Aug 17 14:43:29 mickeyl: you're in the other 3/4th Aug 17 14:43:39 hmm Aug 17 14:44:14 It uses the same kernel driver which might not be some of the problem... Aug 17 14:47:05 re Aug 17 14:47:15 hi CosmicPenguin Aug 17 14:47:21 hi CoreDump|home even :) Aug 17 14:47:27 :) Aug 17 14:47:37 np, I get that a lot heh Aug 17 14:49:43 CoreDump|home: Its easily done, as I'm demonstrating :) Aug 17 14:50:29 hey CoreDump|home Aug 17 14:51:08 hey JustinP Aug 17 14:51:14 Hmmm. I get "Device resuming...." out of spitz, then it locks up. If it gets back that far, I'd expect it to restart fully... Aug 17 14:54:06 RP: i'm tempted to play around with svk for an oe repo :P Aug 17 14:56:23 kergoth: A summary of how it compares would be well received ;-) Aug 17 14:56:51 * RP pops out for a few minutes again... Aug 17 15:00:20 hmm Aug 17 15:00:36 anyone have a preference for a build system other than autotools? Aug 17 15:00:58 emte: autoconf+unsermake Aug 17 15:01:18 unsermake? Aug 17 15:01:34 emte: automake replacement from the kde project Aug 17 15:03:07 yeah i was just reading Aug 17 15:03:39 Recursive make considered harmful ;) Aug 17 15:04:00 in the same way that a bullet in the brain is considered harmful Aug 17 15:04:25 CosmicPenguin: as it deforms the bullet? Aug 17 15:07:50 hmm Aug 17 15:08:09 any benifits from unsermake over smake? Aug 17 15:10:41 mmm, svk is even more robust than i knew Aug 17 15:10:54 * kergoth experiments Aug 17 15:11:38 you import the oe repo into it? Aug 17 15:11:51 its just svn under the hood :) only it tracks merge history, and is faster Aug 17 15:15:12 what did you think it was? Aug 17 15:15:33 treke: i knew it could work well against upstream svn repositories, retaining local merge history Aug 17 15:15:36 hg does the same but the sever cant handle the size of the repo Aug 17 15:15:42 what i didnt know was that you can put a svk depot at upstream. Aug 17 15:15:48 and mirror it just like any other svn repo Aug 17 15:15:49 ah Aug 17 15:16:01 so we all share the merge tracking bits Aug 17 15:16:05 which is what oe would require to make use of it Aug 17 15:16:32 yeah. I was under the impression that svk was basically svn + extras and that the repository was both a valid svk and svn repo at the same time Aug 17 15:16:47 * kergoth nods Aug 17 15:16:53 Is that the case? Aug 17 15:16:54 * emte flags unsermake for more reading later Aug 17 15:17:27 treke: that does indeed seem to be the case. i was under the impression that the svk depot's contents were laid out differently, but apparnetly not Aug 17 15:17:33 sweet Aug 17 15:17:41 the merge info is stored in properties or something equally unnoticed Aug 17 15:17:50 makes sense Aug 17 15:17:53 kergoth: yeah, I read some about svk a little while ago. Looked pretty nice Aug 17 15:18:08 kergoth: although I know nothing about its merg capabilities... Aug 17 15:18:08 i use it constantly, even for my local svn repositories, due to the non-crappy merging Aug 17 15:20:33 mickeyl: I thought you said you got evidence to compile...is there a reason you didn't commit it? Aug 17 15:21:11 did i? Aug 17 15:21:13 can't remember Aug 17 15:21:18 i'll commit it anyway Aug 17 15:21:23 evidence shouldnt compile Aug 17 15:21:32 why not? Aug 17 15:21:38 i belive its broken in the master Aug 17 15:22:13 unless its been recently fixed Aug 17 15:22:30 sec i can tell you Aug 17 15:23:23 hmm Aug 17 15:23:39 i dont even have evidence in my cvs pull Aug 17 15:26:23 emte: I compiled it on my own a little while ago and it worked Aug 17 15:26:30 was way too damn big by default but worked Aug 17 15:27:21 re-pulling the e17-dev cvs Aug 17 15:27:44 emte: ah, you have dev access, eh? Aug 17 15:27:49 yes Aug 17 15:28:03 emte: did you see my patch on the e-devel list? Aug 17 15:28:29 no but that reminds me i need to readd the e17-rss feed Aug 17 15:30:25 emte: well I submitted a patch to add 2 options for menu autoscrolling. It's also in OE. No responses as yet... Aug 17 15:31:34 well raster by far makes the most changes to the core Aug 17 15:31:56 yeah Aug 17 15:32:06 except he's not reading e-mail I believe.... Aug 17 15:32:13 nope Aug 17 15:32:14 lol Aug 17 15:32:17 he's on strike Aug 17 15:32:38 ah well, no problem for me I suppose, it's in OE....I'd just like to know if it's an ok patch... Aug 17 15:32:43 hmm no evidence in the cvs ... Aug 17 15:32:51 someone must be working on it again Aug 17 15:33:20 evidence isn't in e17 main CVS Aug 17 15:33:26 nope Aug 17 15:33:29 http://evidence.sourceforge.net/ Aug 17 15:33:46 emte@t:~$ ls e17/apps/ Aug 17 15:33:46 CVS ebony efm elicit enscribe esmall euphoria ewidgetd foo med Aug 17 15:33:46 e eclair efsd elogin entice essence e_utils examine iconbar Aug 17 15:33:46 ebindings efileinfo elation e_modules entrance etcher evfs express imlib2_tools Aug 17 15:34:10 e Aug 17 15:34:18 yup Aug 17 15:34:18 the pun potential is endless! Aug 17 15:34:20 lol Aug 17 15:34:56 probably the only reason imlib doesnt start with an e is he did that before enlightenment :P Aug 17 15:35:12 emte: it's not in e17 CVS, it has its own repo Aug 17 15:35:37 JustinP, yeah then someone is working on it... it used to be in the main cvs Aug 17 15:35:50 ok Aug 17 15:36:17 good to know Aug 17 15:36:30 as long as it no longer requires FAM i'll be happy Aug 17 15:36:38 hmmm... Aug 17 15:36:45 that used to be a nightmare to get to work Aug 17 15:36:54 I thought they dropped fam when they dropped the file manager Aug 17 15:37:00 I got it to compile without much trouble Aug 17 15:37:05 evidence is the filemanager Aug 17 15:37:15 compiling fam isnt the problem Aug 17 15:37:21 its making it run Aug 17 15:37:43 who should I talk to before I perform surgery on gpe-session-scripts? #gpe? Aug 17 15:37:49 lol Aug 17 15:37:58 emte: well I got it to run on both my Z and Gentoo system so I think it's ok Aug 17 15:38:00 why not make your own cross set/ Aug 17 15:38:18 aha...pb Aug 17 15:38:25 cross set? Aug 17 15:38:34 your probably going to be doing e+gpe for a while Aug 17 15:38:42 what I want to do is cut out the GPE specific stuff and make a package I can use for E as well Aug 17 15:38:54 then make gpe-session-scripts depend on that Aug 17 15:39:06 and then they will want you to put it back in so they can run gpe apps Aug 17 15:39:25 emte: I know, I'm running GPE+e right now. But, due to people screwing with the e-image I'd like to get that working so I can stop having to put out "this doesn't work on its own" fires... Aug 17 15:39:38 lol Aug 17 15:39:51 emte: eh? I just want to split up the package. If gpe-session-scripts RDEPENDS on my new package it should all be fine Aug 17 15:39:57 point them to the enlight site Aug 17 15:40:09 it states there its nowhere near ready for use Aug 17 15:40:22 why would that be different for small systems? Aug 17 15:42:47 different needs Aug 17 15:43:05 lol Aug 17 15:43:20 anyway JustinP if you want the e17 rss its: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/e/e17/.rss?ver=1&medium=plaintext&limit= Aug 17 15:43:26 for a plain one Aug 17 15:43:30 JustinP: splitting up the package sounds good to me Aug 17 15:44:33 * emte wonders if yarssr supports rss2 ... Aug 17 15:45:32 dunna think so Aug 17 15:45:50 * JustinP still hasn't touched RSS Aug 17 15:46:01 I'm on the e-cvs list, though Aug 17 15:48:54 The last message was received 6.77 months ago at 18:19 on Jan 26, 2005 Aug 17 15:49:06 treke hasnt been busy with cia :P Aug 17 15:49:48 hmm Aug 17 15:49:58 no current oe cia rss Aug 17 15:50:23 oh wait Aug 17 15:50:27 i found it i think Aug 17 15:51:46 http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded Aug 17 15:51:51 that looks like him Aug 17 15:53:55 yeah. I havent touched oe in months Aug 17 15:53:59 dont even use it anymore : Aug 17 15:54:00 :p Aug 17 15:59:07 * RP returns Aug 17 15:59:16 wb Aug 17 16:05:26 odd Aug 17 16:05:42 the repo is behaving now ?... Aug 17 16:05:55 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r5e74415f... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050228.bb: openzaurus-pxa27x kernel: fix CMDLINE (hopefully the last time) Aug 17 16:07:29 mickeyl: it got killed again? Aug 17 16:08:28 JustinP: no i think in the Übercorrectness of my reordering CMDLINE to please the Sharp bootloader I personally messed it up Aug 17 16:08:29 heh Aug 17 16:08:35 * kergoth` plays with svk in contexts he's never played with it in before Aug 17 16:08:56 *sigh* Aug 17 16:08:58 it still hangs on boot Aug 17 16:09:05 ~curse 2.4.20 Aug 17 16:09:07 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, 2.4.20 ! Aug 17 16:09:22 kergoth: hooked svk to world of warcraft? Aug 17 16:09:32 Thats unpleasant Aug 17 16:09:51 Apparently ibot was channelling Kinger from M*A*S*H Aug 17 16:10:08 zecke: heh, i've been using svn/svk to maintain my world of warcraft addon set already :P Aug 17 16:10:22 zecke: i'm playing with an svk depot as an "upstream", instead of just svn there Aug 17 16:12:39 mickeyl: I assume the KERNEL_CONSOLE fix isn't "ok"? Aug 17 16:13:07 CosmicPenguin, was it you who was curious about hg? Aug 17 16:13:28 JustinP: still checking.. Aug 17 16:13:45 mickeyl: because that's what fixed it for me a while ago... Aug 17 16:13:58 hmm Aug 17 16:14:10 hmm it bails out on console=ttyS0 ? Aug 17 16:14:30 or which kernel console do you mean? Aug 17 16:15:21 * CoreDump|home never had any problems on Akita Aug 17 16:16:58 mickeyl: see: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206 Aug 17 16:17:14 ah Aug 17 16:17:15 righto Aug 17 16:17:20 ~$ update-alternatives --display mt Aug 17 16:17:20 mt - status is auto. Aug 17 16:17:20 link currently points to /usr/local/bin/monotone Aug 17 16:17:20 /bin/mt-gnu - priority 10 Aug 17 16:17:20 slave mt.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/mt-gnu.1.gz Aug 17 16:17:21 /usr/local/bin/monotone - priority 20 Aug 17 16:17:23 hehe Aug 17 16:17:27 * kergoth` hugs debian based distros Aug 17 16:18:01 JustinP: must be something in our patches, because the original CMDLINE is using ttyS0 Aug 17 16:18:07 (original, as in the SharpROM) Aug 17 16:19:12 emte: yeah, a while back Aug 17 16:19:15 ~lart embeddix Aug 17 16:19:16 * ibot sends a legion of lawyers after embeddix's head Aug 17 16:19:27 emte: I'm still interested in something that can be done via http Aug 17 16:19:28 monotone: fatal: std::exception: Botan: ARC4 cannot accept a key of length 49 Aug 17 16:19:28 monotone: this is almost certainly a bug in monotone. Aug 17 16:19:28 monotone: please send this error message, the output of 'monotone --full-version', Aug 17 16:19:28 monotone: and a description of what you were doing to monotone-devel@nongnu.org. Aug 17 16:19:28 monotone: discarding debug log (maybe you want --debug or --dump?) Aug 17 16:19:29 * kergoth` groans Aug 17 16:19:30 n8 Aug 17 16:19:38 well the repo is up for a few days Aug 17 16:19:48 Thats right - I was going to try that Aug 17 16:20:21 kergoth`: yeah, those are fun. What were you doing? What version of monotone do you have installed? Aug 17 16:20:23 hg pull -u http://www.labotomy.net/cgi-bin/openembedded Aug 17 16:20:36 JustinP: 0.22, generating a key Aug 17 16:20:38 heh Aug 17 16:20:42 the server has been suddenly behaving ... Aug 17 16:20:51 for generating a key? that's strange.... Aug 17 16:20:59 * kergoth` sighs Aug 17 16:21:01 emte: abort: no repo found! Aug 17 16:21:16 proxy Aug 17 16:21:17 emte: pulling ;-) Aug 17 16:21:19 CosmicPenguin, you need to: hg init first Aug 17 16:21:28 * mickeyl bedtime Aug 17 16:21:30 sweet Aug 17 16:21:30 g'night Aug 17 16:21:38 taht do it for you? Aug 17 16:21:41 yeah Aug 17 16:21:42 night mickeyl Aug 17 16:21:43 how long does it take? Aug 17 16:22:20 i am not sure for initial currently since its supposed to be ommiting the monotone db file Aug 17 16:22:21 boom Aug 17 16:22:27 consistency error adding group Aug 17 16:22:33 transaction abort! Aug 17 16:22:38 rollback completed Aug 17 16:22:44 hmm Aug 17 16:22:52 mercurial-0.6b_p20050727 Aug 17 16:24:44 that should have been the right command ... Aug 17 16:24:50 maybe omit the -u Aug 17 16:25:29 It should be obeying http_proxy, right? Aug 17 16:25:58 yes, but if you want you can specify port Aug 17 16:26:08 it also supports login proxies apperently Aug 17 16:26:17 It says adding changesets Aug 17 16:26:18 hg pull -u http://www.labotomy.net:80/cgi-bin/openembedded Aug 17 16:26:19 adding manifests Aug 17 16:26:22 and then the tracback Aug 17 16:26:24 yeah thats good Aug 17 16:26:31 hmm Aug 17 16:26:32 traceback Aug 17 16:27:04 I'm getting file revisions Aug 17 16:27:26 ah there is where taht second python is comming from Aug 17 16:27:35 strange Aug 17 16:28:14 well, we're getting there, I guess Aug 17 16:28:37 cept the server might go down ... Aug 17 16:29:21 CosmicPenguin, you still connected? Aug 17 16:29:27 just bailed Aug 17 16:29:29 same thing Aug 17 16:29:34 okay ... Aug 17 16:29:36 * CosmicPenguin shrugs Aug 17 16:29:45 I am connecting through the proxy, so anything goes, I guess Aug 17 16:29:58 well the server isnt actully really responding atm Aug 17 16:30:12 heh Aug 17 16:30:13 its back ... Aug 17 16:30:16 whew Aug 17 16:30:17 well, I'll start it up again tommorrow Aug 17 16:30:19 time to go drink beer Aug 17 16:30:23 good plan Aug 17 16:30:26 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r88ec6577... 10/packages/e17/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Aug 17 16:30:26 Make entrance RDEPEND on gpe-session-scripts and gpe-dm (doens't need to DEPEND on gpe-dm) Aug 17 16:30:26 (I know this makes it depend on most of GPE. The non-GPE scripts should hopefully be moved out of gpe-session-scripts and gpe-dm soon.) Aug 17 16:30:26 Remove 50-calibrate Xinit entry, we should be able to use the same as GPE Aug 17 16:30:28 beer is good Aug 17 16:30:32 wish i could ... Aug 17 16:30:33 * kergoth hmms Aug 17 16:30:40 nother couple days i guess Aug 17 16:32:01 probably a good time to stop trying to crash the server .... i belive a webcast is scheduled in about an hour Aug 17 16:32:40 jesus, monotone hates me. there a tarball of a current tree (without mt bits) somewhere? Aug 17 16:32:47 heh Aug 17 16:33:04 mt bits? Aug 17 16:33:17 yes, i want an exported tree, not a monotone database Aug 17 16:33:19 heh Aug 17 16:33:36 has monotone gotten faster? Aug 17 16:33:45 the monotone db is just the oe.db file isnt it? Aug 17 16:34:02 and the MT dir i suppose Aug 17 16:34:16 yeah, i just want a damn current oe tree, and i dont want to use monotone to get it Aug 17 16:34:30 i can tar one up Aug 17 16:34:32 kergoth: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/ Aug 17 16:34:36 ~10 min old Aug 17 16:34:43 koen has some snapshots there Aug 17 16:34:57 daily snapshots I believe Aug 17 16:35:10 k, thanks Aug 17 16:35:27 which? Aug 17 16:36:11 np. it would be nice to have a monotone->CVS gateway though Aug 17 16:36:33 snapshots suck because they're outdated by definition ;) Aug 17 16:37:12 any volunteers want to install svk and help me test it out for oe use? Aug 17 16:37:28 sure Aug 17 16:37:38 i've only 4 OE repos now :P Aug 17 16:37:46 couple more cant hurt Aug 17 16:37:49 hehe Aug 17 16:41:04 kergoth, ? ... repo? Aug 17 16:41:50 emte: segfault Aug 17 16:41:59 ? Aug 17 16:42:03 emte: and now there's a lock Aug 17 16:42:09 emte: my hg pull segfaulted Aug 17 16:42:12 a little while ago... Aug 17 16:42:34 kergoth: yeah, I'd be willing to help test some Aug 17 16:42:38 lock or server? Aug 17 16:42:42 local* Aug 17 16:42:52 emte: looked local Aug 17 16:43:08 yeah there is no lock on the server Aug 17 16:43:18 lock happene djust now Aug 17 16:43:23 yeah, probably a local lock Aug 17 16:43:29 due to the segfault Aug 17 16:43:38 hg recover or hg undo Aug 17 16:43:46 should fix it Aug 17 16:44:16 nope, lock exists for both Aug 17 16:44:25 'night all Aug 17 16:45:02 emte: removed lock manually Aug 17 16:45:04 hmm Aug 17 16:45:11 trying pull again Aug 17 16:45:13 hg recover should have done it ... Aug 17 16:45:19 nope, said it was locked Aug 17 16:46:02 yeah, recover's job is to roll back an interrupted transaction ... Aug 17 16:46:22 CoreDump|afk: the e-image might actually work now, although it will install pretty much all of GPE as well and *may* start gpe-dm/login. Hopefully I can get the non-GPE scripts out of the GPE packages. Aug 17 16:46:25 only had one lock myself Aug 17 16:46:34 emte: I recovered after removing the lock. Seemed to work. Aug 17 16:46:38 was serverside tho Aug 17 16:46:56 i closed my terminal durring a push Aug 17 16:47:11 kergoth: damn, svk and a bunch of its perl deps are ~x86 in gentoo... Aug 17 16:48:37 29383 apache 25 0 316m 291m 4036 R 84.5 58.5 2:31.95 python <- i just wish it wouldnt do this Aug 17 16:49:40 as i just discovered it does that per connection Aug 17 16:53:01 kergoth: not only is svk ~x86, it uses unstable versions of 4 perl libs *and* requires an unstable version of perl, libperl, and yaml (whatever that is).... Aug 17 16:53:18 lol Aug 17 16:53:24 at least under gentoo's definition of unstable :) Aug 17 16:53:30 worked right out of hte box in ubuntu :) Aug 17 16:53:33 apt-get install svk Aug 17 16:53:43 you using ubuntu now? Aug 17 16:53:46 yeah debian-etch is good as well Aug 17 16:53:52 kergoth: I'm willing to try it....if there's something to test and you think svk is really a viable contender I'll help test Aug 17 16:53:56 treke: yeah Aug 17 16:54:06 kergoth: well, I can install it fine, just have to allow for "unstable" packages Aug 17 16:54:07 I really like it Aug 17 16:54:21 JustinP: i think it is. it benefits from svn's stability, but is actually faster for checkouts and things, supports star merges, cherry picking, etc Aug 17 16:55:03 hnmm Aug 17 16:55:11 * JustinP has never used SVN...just CVS and now monotone Aug 17 16:55:25 svn is okay ... Aug 17 16:55:34 * JustinP starts installing svk Aug 17 16:55:35 far better than CVS Aug 17 16:55:57 ... then again an pen and paper is better than cvs Aug 17 17:17:07 heh Aug 17 17:17:12 ubuntu has svk version 0.26 Aug 17 17:17:15 current is 1.0.2 :P Aug 17 17:17:47 emte@t:~/test2$ svk version Aug 17 17:17:47 This is svk, version 1.00. Aug 17 17:17:51 * JustinP is emerging 1.0.2 ;-) Aug 17 17:17:53 well etch is closer anyway Aug 17 17:18:31 etch? Aug 17 17:18:32 * kergoth` kicks ubuntu Aug 17 17:18:48 debian's new release candidate Aug 17 17:18:48 * chouimat watches ubuntu retaliate Aug 17 17:18:55 sarge was shipped Aug 17 17:19:08 oh Aug 17 17:36:05 kergoth_: use the svn version of svk ... there is a memory leak in 1.0.2 Aug 17 17:37:09 but you need to use it with the kde repo to be sure to trigger it :) Aug 17 17:37:46 chouimat: svn version of svk? Aug 17 17:38:21 svn://svn.clkao.org/svk/ Aug 17 17:38:21 need to run to the grocery store ... JustinP when its done, pull again without the -u should only take a minute or so to catch up Aug 17 17:38:42 chouimat: ah right Aug 17 18:16:29 okay, so if i mirror an upstream svk depot local in mine, i can in fact branch into and out of there happily with no merge data lost, right? so i can have an upstream svn repo, and all the devs using svk, and it should all Just Work(tm)? Aug 17 18:16:29 *nod* Aug 17 18:16:31 :D Aug 17 18:30:06 emte, JustinP: ping Aug 17 19:18:53 hey kergoth_ Aug 17 19:18:58 hey raster Aug 17 19:24:31 emte: emmie Aug 17 19:31:30 emte: svk mi svn://svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/oe //oe/mirror; svk sync -a; .. then if you want to work against upstream directly, you can just svk co //oe/mirror/trunk/openembedded. if you want to branch off for local modifications, do svk cp //oe/mirror //oe/local; svk co //oe/local/trunk/openembedded Aug 17 19:36:53 kergoth`: you still down here in tx? Aug 17 19:39:16 emte: yep, worked this time Aug 17 19:39:16 nope Aug 17 19:41:23 kergoth`: am I not supposed to be using svk 1.0.2? Aug 17 19:41:34 (3 snv://....?) Aug 17 19:42:27 (2 rather) Aug 17 19:43:21 kergoth`: did you get the OE history imported into svk? Aug 17 19:52:21 JustinP: 1.02 is fine Aug 17 19:52:39 its a svn:// url because svk uses svn internally Aug 17 19:52:46 havent pulled history in yet Aug 17 19:52:58 (there are 2 svn://'s there) Aug 17 19:53:12 *can* you pull history form monotone to svk? Aug 17 19:53:13 oh, hehe Aug 17 19:53:22 could write a script to do it Aug 17 19:54:34 or write a reader for that Perl module svk uses... Aug 17 19:54:48 looks like my "pull" went fine Aug 17 19:55:58 my hg pull & update also worked this time Aug 17 19:56:29 kergoth`: ok, I have my svk rep and a copy checked out Aug 17 19:56:37 (does svk deal with renames?) Aug 17 19:56:49 svn does, yeah. as does svk Aug 17 19:56:54 http://svk.elixus.org/?SVKTutorial Aug 17 19:57:28 oh, ok Aug 17 19:57:28 if you cd into your checked out oe dir, and do an svk pull, thatll sync your local mirror (svk sync), and update your working copy (svk up) Aug 17 19:57:56 ok Aug 17 19:57:59 Name or service not known: Unknown hostname 'svn' Aug 17 19:58:02 interesting Aug 17 19:58:10 emte: the url i put had two svn://'s :P Aug 17 19:58:16 ah Aug 17 19:58:18 hehe Aug 17 19:58:24 i had written svn://, then pasted the url from the berlios site Aug 17 19:58:57 JustinP: in a lot of ways, svn/svk syntax is like cvs. up/update, ci/commit, etc Aug 17 19:59:07 yeah hg is the same way Aug 17 19:59:11 cool Aug 17 19:59:29 cept next version has the preprocessing hooks it looks like Aug 17 19:59:43 to stop you for doing bad things Aug 17 19:59:50 that cvs is notorious for Aug 17 20:00:01 from* Aug 17 20:00:32 only 310 revisions .. Aug 17 20:00:43 you sure you have the full OE repo? Aug 17 20:00:57 kergoth`: did you get the OE history imported into svk? Aug 17 20:01:01 havent pulled history in yet Aug 17 20:01:10 was wondering Aug 17 20:01:20 monotone has over 1900 Aug 17 20:01:35 didnt know jack about monotone, and couldnt get it to even function without freaking out and saying to contact the monotone developers with a bug report Aug 17 20:01:40 heh Aug 17 20:01:41 probably over 2 now Aug 17 20:01:48 lol Aug 17 20:03:03 but man hg is nice ... cept for the python-memory thing Aug 17 20:03:26 been testing commits durring pulls for the last couple days Aug 17 20:03:50 even did one while JustinP was pulling an initial Aug 17 20:04:04 is that the one where I segfaulted or no? Aug 17 20:04:08 no Aug 17 20:04:23 i am pretty sure you segfaulted because the server was almost locked up Aug 17 20:04:30 ah Aug 17 20:04:39 * JustinP reboots Aug 17 20:04:49 having both you and cosmic pull was too much Aug 17 20:05:04 wanted over 1gb ram allocated Aug 17 20:06:07 the inital pull and viewing the changeset are killers Aug 17 20:07:15 because they are using o(n^2) which means the files almost tripple and then python caches the whole repo for transfer Aug 17 20:08:42 but i must say, hg is developing at a hugely exponential rate Aug 17 20:08:59 kergoth`: can svk do distributed peer-to-peer repos? Aug 17 20:09:51 rwhitby-web: yeah, you can make your local repository available via any of the methods one can make svn repositories available. they're just svn internally. just make sure all the devs use svk rather than svn so that merge data isnt lost Aug 17 20:10:43 can you commit to different repos, and then do a merge between them (like in bk and monotone) ? Aug 17 20:11:58 rwhitby-web: yes. it can do star merges, and even supports cherry picking Aug 17 20:12:04 rwhitby-web: see http://svk.elixus.org/?SVKTutorial Aug 17 20:12:20 you can mirror an upstream cvs, svn, perforce repo Aug 17 20:12:31 svn includes svk, since an svk depot is just an svn repo with additional properties Aug 17 20:12:35 * emte forgot svn has a strange co sequence Aug 17 20:12:47 svn co [url] [local dir] is strange? Aug 17 20:12:56 if you watch it Aug 17 20:13:08 most co systems go alphabetically Aug 17 20:13:14 svn doesnt Aug 17 20:13:52 ah Aug 17 20:14:31 just a strange quirk Aug 17 20:14:32 kergoth_: thx for the info Aug 17 20:14:51 i only rememebr because i once sat wondering when the end was comming Aug 17 20:15:43 has anyone had trouble running oe on fedora core 4? is it okay to use FC4? Aug 17 20:16:09 you will have to install a lot of development rpms Aug 17 20:16:40 would it be best to just run FC3 for now? I'm new to oe - and the less 'snags' the better ;) Aug 17 20:16:55 its about the same for any FC Aug 17 20:16:59 I doubt an older distro will help Aug 17 20:17:03 but i belive FC3 has a gcc issue Aug 17 20:17:34 they used a version in the middle of a change Aug 17 20:18:21 so it will compile new stuff but is missing the old compatability ... i think that was how it went Aug 17 20:18:30 if they are about the same as far as issues go, might as well stick with FC4 at the point since I've gotten it all setup Aug 17 20:18:48 yup Aug 17 20:19:02 anyway back to my movie i'll bbiab Aug 17 20:19:09 ok - thanks! Aug 17 21:08:26 <[g2]> kergoth` how fast is svk for something like the full OE repo ? Aug 17 21:08:57 [g2]: was pretty fast to pull it. Then again it doesn't have all of the revision info in it Aug 17 21:09:12 i'll play with monotone, see if i can get a script togethr Aug 17 21:57:27 kergoth_, if you want ... i can export svk/svn out of hg Aug 17 21:58:28 hehe Aug 17 21:58:36 actually that might be worthwhile.... Aug 17 21:58:49 emte: care to try? I'd be willing to pull that from you as well Aug 17 21:58:59 if you have all the revisions in it Aug 17 21:59:51 yeah Aug 17 22:00:15 sec i'll pull the latest monotone incase tehre were changes in the last couple hours Aug 17 22:00:31 ok Aug 17 22:00:58 no changes since Update 13 Aug 17 22:02:28 lets see how i setup tailor for hg->svn/k Aug 17 22:03:09 is there a monotone->svk? or just monotone->hg->svk? Aug 17 22:04:30 i was working on the monotone source stuff, only the target is done Aug 17 22:04:51 but i belive hg<->svn/k is full Aug 17 22:05:29 altho i "could" cheat and just move the .hg dir Aug 17 22:06:22 ? Aug 17 22:06:54 hg has this nice feature where all it's stuff is in .hg not in the actual working tree Aug 17 22:07:05 if you look Aug 17 22:07:06 ls -a Aug 17 22:07:21 all the deltas etc are in .hg Aug 17 22:07:55 btw i am curious Aug 17 22:07:58 ok....well we have all of OE in svk, just not the revision history... Aug 17 22:08:02 did you get oe,db? Aug 17 22:08:07 yes Aug 17 22:08:11 damn Aug 17 22:08:22 i'll have to look into the .hgignore stuff Aug 17 22:08:35 so does monotone->hg work properly? Aug 17 22:08:57 hg->monotone is in the tailor scripts Aug 17 22:09:15 i am fleshing out monotone->hg Aug 17 22:09:23 altho ... Aug 17 22:09:31 can you test something for me Aug 17 22:09:50 run a monotone update sequence in your hg pull Aug 17 22:10:06 i originally set it up so it was transparent Aug 17 22:12:07 ummm.... Aug 17 22:12:18 "monotone update" on "hg pull" sounds wrong to me.... Aug 17 22:12:25 yeah i know Aug 17 22:12:34 so what exactly do you want me to do? Aug 17 22:12:39 lol Aug 17 22:13:05 I have my hg.oe checkout...what command do you want me to run? Aug 17 22:13:07 you should be able to run the monotone update on it without problems Aug 17 22:13:21 atleast i've been able to Aug 17 22:13:53 altho i havent tried it since i've been trying to "forget" oe.db Aug 17 22:13:56 why do you have your monotone checkout in hg...I guess because the import isn't done yet...? Aug 17 22:14:11 says it's already up to date Aug 17 22:14:31 was a thought that we could use it as an initial pull instead of a snapshot Aug 17 22:14:44 and to see if i could do it mostly Aug 17 22:14:52 I'm not following Aug 17 22:15:01 personal amusement? Aug 17 22:15:07 you need a monotone oe db to do anything... Aug 17 22:15:18 and checking it out isn't really a problem... Aug 17 22:15:28 anyway... Aug 17 22:15:50 any idea when/if you'll have your monotone->hg done? would be interesting to try going to svk through that Aug 17 22:16:05 or if we added hg and svk stuff to the perl modules we could convert to/from any of them Aug 17 22:16:14 oh, I mean monotone, not svk Aug 17 22:16:17 ;-) Aug 17 22:16:23 i think your missing what i am doing ... Aug 17 22:16:28 here: Aug 17 22:16:35 ::sigh:: Aug 17 22:16:43 http://nautilus.homeip.net/~lele/projects/cvsync/README Aug 17 22:16:48 the tailro scripts readme Aug 17 22:16:51 tailor* Aug 17 22:17:10 an old one tho i think ... Aug 17 22:18:48 so it's a script to convert changesets from one system to another.....exactly what I thought Aug 17 22:19:07 ne body know of cheap Magnetic card h/w which could be integrated with some embedded linux (openS) distro Aug 17 22:25:30 ne1 ? Aug 17 22:27:42 night Aug 17 22:27:56 ne1 ? Aug 17 22:28:15 it's spelt "anyone" Aug 17 22:28:25 indeed Aug 17 22:28:36 and what the hell is a "magnetic" card? Aug 17 22:28:59 and why are you asking about hardware in the OE channel? Aug 17 22:29:39 maybe cuz its related to opensource embedded thing ? Aug 17 22:29:42 and u can drop the attitude Aug 17 22:30:13 try #openzaurus Aug 17 22:30:19 well oe is a buildsystem Aug 17 22:30:24 ir #familiar if that's what you're running Aug 17 22:30:42 JustinP, emte: thanx Aug 17 22:30:59 i cant remember the name of the embedded hardware chan Aug 17 22:31:16 okay. lemme try Aug 17 22:31:34 btw what is this #familiar about ? Aug 17 22:31:44 familiar is the ipaq distro Aug 17 22:32:16 openzaurus is the zaurus distro Aug 17 22:35:22 hmm Aug 17 22:35:44 this looked way easier reading the individual scripts ... Aug 17 22:40:22 hmm Aug 17 22:43:09 Hi, i am using gxine: when i run gxine i get the error : bind: No such file or directory Aug 17 22:43:19 i dont know what it is looking for Aug 17 22:44:50 eJumbo, wrong place to ask ... Aug 17 22:45:12 all the desktop people asleep? Aug 17 22:46:12 pretty sure most people here are asleep Aug 17 22:46:41 * emte gives up and cheats Aug 17 22:48:29 hi :) Aug 17 22:48:35 ? Aug 17 22:52:11 just hi Aug 17 22:53:26 emte: do u know any light weight audio player Aug 17 22:57:03 eJumbo: DESCRIPTION = "Madplay is a command-line MPEG audio decoder and player" Aug 17 22:58:13 eJumbo: to light? ;) Aug 17 22:58:30 mpg123 Aug 17 22:58:49 i want a gui kind of interface Aug 17 22:58:58 which desktop? Aug 17 22:59:21 i have x and matchbox Aug 17 22:59:23 is this posible to run bitbake without updating already builded packages? Aug 17 22:59:49 i know that i can set cvsdate .. but this will build packages only from this date Aug 17 23:00:01 bitbake doesnt rebuild packages unless the preferences are changed or dates Aug 17 23:00:27 does mpg123: provide a gui interface Aug 17 23:00:32 matchbox ... i am guessing taht means gpe Aug 17 23:01:57 emte: yes .. i just want build new packages next day befor building image Aug 17 23:01:57 and bitbake rebuild cvs downloaded packages Aug 17 23:01:57 is there any way to avoid that? Aug 17 23:02:17 set cvsdate Aug 17 23:02:43 you are aware that all cvs packages will change every day Aug 17 23:02:51 unless cvs date is set Aug 17 23:03:23 you seem a bit confused about the concept ... Aug 17 23:03:40 but if i set cvsdate then tommorow i will downloading old files Aug 17 23:03:40 yes i know that Aug 17 23:03:40 but if there any way to turn this updating off? Aug 17 23:05:09 lets try this a different way .... what is the difference between using yesterday's files and not updating to today? Aug 17 23:05:28 to that is exactly the same thing Aug 17 23:05:31 me* Aug 17 23:05:45 no diff Aug 17 23:05:58 but i want not builded packages will be downloaded with current date Aug 17 23:06:05 so what is the problem with seting cvsdate to yesterday? Aug 17 23:06:39 stupid netsplits Aug 17 23:06:52 all of us want be up to date :) Aug 17 23:07:04 ok ok .. most of us Aug 17 23:07:08 me Aug 17 23:08:03 using a specific cvsdate is no different than using a snapshot or release Aug 17 23:08:37 using current cvs can cause you more problems than using something you know will work Aug 17 23:10:20 change your cvsdate every monday, then you have a weeks notice if something bad is comming Aug 17 23:10:51 hmm nice idea Aug 17 23:12:28 you will have to compromise somewhere, you cant use "current" cvs on everything and not have it rebuild the next day Aug 17 23:17:54 okay i give up Aug 17 23:18:12 emte: do you hear something about new OZ release date? Aug 17 23:18:14 how do you build an svk Aug 18 00:22:53 CoreDump|afk: I got an initial version of a .destop to .eap converter done Aug 18 00:23:07 anyone willing to help me with a shell script problem? Aug 18 00:32:42 morning all Aug 18 00:35:00 morning RP Aug 18 00:40:24 has anybody worked with xine here. Aug 18 00:40:55 when i start that xine. i get an error saying bind: no such file or directory Aug 18 00:42:37 eJumbo: about music players. I recommend mpd. Aug 18 00:43:10 eJumbo: you can use mpc to control it on the command-line, ncmpc as a ncurses frontend (my fav option), or gmpc or glurp as a GTK frontend Aug 18 00:43:26 i want a audio player with a nice GUI Aug 18 00:43:38 RP: any chance you could help me with some shell scripting? Aug 18 00:43:57 eJumbo: gmpc and glurp are fair GUIs. ncmpc works great as a frontend Aug 18 00:44:17 does OE support it Aug 18 00:44:30 eJumbo: yes, I added them a little while ago Aug 18 00:49:32 JustinP: i downloaded the packages a week back. when did u add it ? Aug 18 00:49:53 before then Aug 18 00:50:04 it's in OE, remember, not OZ Aug 18 00:50:17 I put them in OE after OZ 3.5.3 was released Aug 18 00:50:24 i am using OE Aug 18 00:50:26 they should be in OZ 3.5.4 Aug 18 00:50:34 ok, well they're in packages/musicpd Aug 18 00:54:59 JustinP: thanks Aug 18 00:55:17 np Aug 18 01:05:11 morning Aug 18 01:05:31 morning Aug 18 01:06:51 JustinP: What kind of shell script? Aug 18 01:06:55 morning XorA Aug 18 01:07:52 RP: well, I'm trying to create a command-line within a variable Aug 18 01:08:21 RP: so I do things like cmd="$cmd -set-option $var" Aug 18 01:08:31 RP: then I want to run the command Aug 18 01:08:36 but...oh, forgot something Aug 18 01:08:52 cmd="$cmd -set-option \"$val\"" Aug 18 01:09:03 this seems to work as echo $cmd shows the quotes right Aug 18 01:09:10 but just doing Aug 18 01:09:12 $cmd Aug 18 01:09:18 acts as if the " aren't there Aug 18 01:09:34 Try \\" Aug 18 01:09:35 I ended up having to output the command to a tmp file and run sh tmpFile Aug 18 01:09:44 I think I tried that.... Aug 18 01:09:58 that will end up with backslashes but no quotes Aug 18 01:10:11 i.e. -set-option \value\ Aug 18 01:10:25 and \\\" doesn't work either Aug 18 01:10:40 I also tried using `echo $cmd`, still doesn't work Aug 18 01:10:46 sh -c $cmd... Aug 18 01:10:52 sh -c `echo $cmd` Aug 18 01:10:57 also with quotes around it... Aug 18 01:11:47 Extra back shalshes should get that working. I'm not sure how many you'd need but your result of \value\ makes no sense Aug 18 01:12:17 well there are " already on the line... Aug 18 01:12:36 " "val" " is the same as " val " Aug 18 01:12:40 perhaps ""... Aug 18 01:15:04 if echo $cmd shows the quotes right, it may be there's an extra level of interpretation when you actually run the command and need the \\" or even \\\"... Aug 18 01:17:36 well I tried \\\" in my setting...that didn't work... Aug 18 01:18:10 ends up saying blah\" doesn't exist Aug 18 01:18:27 and with only \" it says blah" doesn't exist Aug 18 01:18:43 (this is the command it's running interpreting a lone arg as a file) Aug 18 01:19:21 I bet these shells are dealing with quotes, *then* substituting vars....that sucks! Aug 18 01:22:43 yep, that's got to be it Aug 18 01:23:03 touch "1 2"; export TEST="1 2"; cmd="cat \"$TEST\""; $cmd Aug 18 01:23:13 cat: "1: No such file or directory Aug 18 01:23:13 cat: 2": No such file or directory Aug 18 01:23:22 so how do I reverse that....? Aug 18 01:24:10 hi to all ... Aug 18 01:24:32 i have a problem with monotone Aug 18 01:24:47 `echo $cmd` should work in my eyes....argh... Aug 18 01:25:04 after the first pull the (first) checkout fail with : >>> monotone: misuse: monotone book-keeping directory 'MT' already exists in '/mnt/hda/oe/org.openembedded.dev' <<< Aug 18 01:25:10 I guess the quote pass is only run once on any command... Aug 18 01:25:27 gremlin[it]: well...did you already check it out? Aug 18 01:25:40 no .. is the checkout that fail :( Aug 18 01:25:56 what's in /mnt/hda/oe/org.openembedded.dev? Aug 18 01:26:30 respect to oe documentation s#/stuff/#/mnt/hda/oe/# :) Aug 18 01:27:10 yes....so is there anything in that dir? Aug 18 01:28:16 soem dirs such as "classes conf contrib files MT packages site" and 2 files "README COPYING.MIT" Aug 18 01:28:33 ok...sounds like you already have a checkout there then... Aug 18 01:28:44 in few seconds !? Aug 18 01:29:00 you already did a checkout, then Aug 18 01:29:07 you can always delete it and try again Aug 18 01:30:27 mhh strage ... yestaday someone told me first checkout is 11h long ... Aug 18 01:30:55 no...first *pull* Aug 18 01:31:07 assuming you're not using the snapshot, which you should Aug 18 01:31:11 checkout it quick Aug 18 01:31:18 it=is Aug 18 01:31:43 i try to gor the snapshot .. but monotone told me the database was copputped :( :( :( Aug 18 01:31:49 aha...fixed my shell script problem Aug 18 01:31:55 echo $cmd | /bin/sh -s Aug 18 01:32:03 ok, well... Aug 18 01:32:09 you did your 11h pull then? Aug 18 01:32:19 mhhh nice tip to remember ... Aug 18 01:32:41 no really less ... Aug 18 01:32:50 ::shrug:: depends on your machine's speed Aug 18 01:33:19 about 4hours to download ... and other 4h to verify Aug 18 01:33:33 and i have a nail ISDN conenction :( ... Aug 18 01:33:50 nail -> snail Aug 18 01:39:29 morning Aug 18 01:40:08 CoreDump|home: hey, just in time to see me go to bed ;-) Aug 18 01:40:33 CoreDump|home: see my post just now to oe@hh.org for my shell script to convert .desktop into .eap Aug 18 01:40:35 JustinP: ya :) Aug 18 01:40:57 ok ... bitbake task-bootstrap started !!! :) Aug 18 01:41:52 JustinP: hmm I don't see a mail by you on oe@hh.org Aug 18 01:42:18 CoreDump|home: let me know if you find any problems. I'm running this on my Z, btw. I haven't tested at all with OE. I'd like to fix the icon problem and support more fields (if there are any more to support). It also needs to know how to move files to the right directory but this should also be easy. Aug 18 01:42:38 yep...sent to oe@hh.org... Aug 18 01:42:50 well anyway, script is here: http://oe.reversefold.com/gpeEap.sh.txt Aug 18 01:42:55 thx :) Aug 18 01:43:14 damn....it's way too late... Aug 18 01:43:37 this is the latest version? Aug 18 01:43:46 just finished, yes Aug 18 01:43:57 think of it more as proof of concept ;-) Aug 18 01:44:07 right :) just checking Aug 18 01:44:07 it works, but it's surely not 100% done Aug 18 01:44:17 btw: sed is your friend Aug 18 01:44:27 entry_name="`echo "$entry_data" | sed -n "/^Name=/s/.*\=//p"`" Aug 18 01:44:27 entry_exec="`echo "$entry_data" | sed -n "/^Exec=/s/.*\=//p"`" Aug 18 01:44:31 ;) Aug 18 01:44:32 * JustinP isn't much of a sed hacker... Aug 18 01:44:51 true.... Aug 18 01:45:05 but then you don't deal with continuations ;-) Aug 18 01:45:35 right, multi-line comments don't work this way :) Aug 18 01:46:07 but anyway my solution doesn't deal with them quite right either (doesn't check for the \ and would leave the \ in) Aug 18 01:46:27 I'm sure you could hack up a sed rule for it. I'm just not familiar with it's brand of regexes Aug 18 01:46:31 * JustinP is used to PCRE Aug 18 01:46:47 ok, got to go to sleep now Aug 18 01:46:53 I hope I *can* get to sleep Aug 18 01:47:43 let me know if you improve the script any :-) Aug 18 01:47:44 night Aug 18 01:48:28 JustinP|zZz: http://hentges.net/tmp/gpe2e.sh.txt ;) Aug 18 01:49:28 buuhhh Aug 18 01:49:45 that's cheating, you use the some .eap (and its icon) over and over :\ Aug 18 02:02:32 if i select MACHINE = h3600 and KERNEL_VERSION = 2.6 i'll obtain something ? Aug 18 02:04:43 i have downloaded the latest bitbake and OE metadata Aug 18 02:04:50 i am unable to compile glibc Aug 18 02:05:17 i am getting configure error: glibc version is 2.3.5 Aug 18 02:06:30 it says : checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile Aug 18 02:06:52 please see http://pastebin.ca/20307 Aug 18 02:06:56 eJumbo: try asking Crofton Aug 18 02:07:18 eJumbo: check your config.log again ;) Aug 18 02:07:27 eJumbo: autotools help you again Aug 18 02:11:00 eJumbo: It could be something with your compiler 'tuning' (like can not optimize for mtune=arm926ej-s) Aug 18 02:11:11 eJumbo: but the config.log of glibc will tell you for sure Aug 18 02:11:44 zecke: it is compiling a program conftest and says invalid switch Aug 18 02:11:52 configure:2695: ccache arm-linux-gcc -march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ejs -c -I/home/oe/OE/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 conftest.c >&5 Aug 18 02:11:54 conftest.c:1: error: bad value (arm926ejs) for -mtune= switch Aug 18 02:11:54 configure:2698: $? = 1 Aug 18 02:12:18 arm926ejs vs. arm926ej-s Aug 18 02:12:39 the later looks to be the correct one, now check why your machine config tunes for arm926ejs Aug 18 02:14:02 need to learn autotools skills now Aug 18 02:29:34 eJumbo: grep for your arm926 in conf/machine Aug 18 02:29:58 eJumbo: some sets the wrong flag, but at that point my knowledge ends Aug 18 02:34:45 it is TARGET_CC_ARCH = "-march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ejs" Aug 18 02:34:58 and should be TARGET_CC_ARCH = "-march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ej-s" Aug 18 02:35:01 ? Aug 18 02:36:29 i have an old open embedded env on my system (which works) and glibc compiled there. Aug 18 02:37:59 eJumbo: I would guess it should be arm926ej-s Aug 18 02:39:36 ya Aug 18 02:48:37 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r29709b7d... 10/packages/zgscore/ (4 files in 3 dirs): upgrade zgscore to 1.0.2 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 18 02:59:56 2005