**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2005 Aug 22 03:17:40 shit.. merge failed ;( Aug 22 03:23:04 anyone remember how to merge without using X11 tools? Aug 22 03:31:24 kergoth: ping Aug 22 03:33:08 kergoth: re the php .bb which you wrote - we now have apache working (thanks to DaKa) and we want to create a php apache module, but the php .bb currently creates it as a cgi. Should we modify that to create an apache module instead, or create a php4-apache.bb for the module separately? Aug 22 03:35:55 rwhitby, RP: could you look into my merge does everything is ok? I'm syncing with ewi now Aug 22 03:37:20 hrw|work: did the --lca switch help? Aug 22 03:37:34 rwhitby: I merged using vim as merge tool Aug 22 03:37:46 did you try --lca first? Aug 22 03:37:50 not Aug 22 03:38:12 it is reported that if you try with --lca first, then it will very often "just work". Aug 22 03:38:22 (and you won't be required to do manual merges) Aug 22 03:38:25 ah.. will remember next time Aug 22 03:38:49 as soon as all nslu2-people have updated to 0.22, we are putting --lca in our master makefile ... Aug 22 03:39:10 brb Aug 22 03:40:37 re Aug 22 03:41:29 hrw|work: One of the problems I find with monotone is you can't see what the result of the merge was :-/ Aug 22 03:43:08 RP: especially when merging 3 files in vim in 80x24 terminal Aug 22 03:44:11 RP: 2.6.13-rc5-mm1 works ok on c7x0? Aug 22 03:54:29 hrw|work: its the best kernel yet Aug 22 03:54:31 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc627b4d4... 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ (ttf-dejavu_1.11.bb ttf-dejavu_1.13.bb): updated DejaVu (TrueType) font to 1.13 Aug 22 03:54:35 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r4d6f0aa5... 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (4 files): updated kdepimpi to 2.2.2 Aug 22 03:54:39 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6e97a8bf... 10/packages/gammu/ (gammu_1.01.0.bb gammu_1.02.0.bb): updated gammu to 1.02.0 Aug 22 03:54:42 hrw|work: unless you have a connect+ Aug 22 03:54:44 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r22ca4fd7... 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ (ttf-dejavu_1.13.bb ttf-dejavu_1.13-20050820.bb): updated ttf-dejavu to snapshot with fixed Mono faces Aug 22 03:55:36 XorA: so I should consider upgrade from 2.6.12-mm1? Aug 22 03:56:47 hrw|work: Well 2.6.12-mm1 my USB didnt work, and had problems with IRda, both are fixed in 2.6.13-rc5-mm1 and kernel feels slicker Aug 22 03:57:23 ok Aug 22 03:57:40 I'm fetching patches and build Aug 22 03:58:36 hrw|work: and as a hack I am also running with root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 Aug 22 03:59:23 nice hack Aug 22 03:59:42 my 256M sd card is now in digital camera so I dont have sd in c7x0 Aug 22 04:00:01 hrw|work: I theorize with 2.6.13-rc5-mm1 you can also do root=/dev/hda1 Aug 22 04:00:17 as new PCMCIA layer means thats available as boot Aug 22 04:00:30 XorA: my cf slot is empty for most of time Aug 22 04:00:40 and root=/dev/hda1 means no wifi Aug 22 04:03:07 looks like spitz/2.6 is closer.. Aug 22 04:03:10 hrw|work: my plan is to buy a 2G 160x SD card and run root off that Aug 22 04:03:22 my plan is to get off from debet Aug 22 04:14:32 morning Aug 22 04:14:38 hi Rene Aug 22 04:16:18 hey Marcin Aug 22 04:22:26 ~curse TT for makeqpf Aug 22 04:22:26 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, TT for makeqpf ! Aug 22 04:27:55 when i run the gpe-nmf i get the error: ERROR: play_audio: Could Not Open Resource for writing Aug 22 04:28:15 sri1234: tried as root? Aug 22 04:29:25 yes Aug 22 04:30:16 i dont think it is permission problem Aug 22 04:30:25 may be some device is missing ? Aug 22 04:30:33 not sure though Aug 22 04:30:35 maybe Aug 22 04:30:39 asked on #gpe? Aug 22 04:30:39 thru madplay it works Aug 22 04:30:44 no Aug 22 04:30:55 is esd running? Aug 22 04:50:11 Got it working Aug 22 04:50:35 sorry, i lost contact as i am sharing the network port for the board and the PC Aug 22 04:50:48 But, Playlist is not getting saved Aug 22 04:51:18 and X Server also breaks off and i get errrors saying - connection with X server is lost Aug 22 04:51:41 how do i automatically reconnect if it is lost. is there any mechanism to do that ? Aug 22 04:51:56 sri1234: ask on #gpe Aug 22 04:52:03 fine hrw Aug 22 05:06:29 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r48596d39... 10/packages/apache/ (apache_2.0.54.bb files/init): Fixed the equality test in the apache init script. Aug 22 05:28:55 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * ref1a7eaa... 10/packages/apache/apache_2.0.54.bb: Changed the init script name from httpd to apache. Aug 22 05:32:40 morning Aug 22 05:37:35 hey mickeyl Aug 22 05:39:18 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb2dc5386... 10/ (52 files in 13 dirs): add support for the Sharp SL-C3100 (Borzoi) Aug 22 05:39:51 *phew* Aug 22 05:46:57 hi mickeyl Aug 22 05:47:33 hi hrw, vacation were fine? Aug 22 05:48:49 mickeyl: good Aug 22 05:49:08 I was sick (got a flu) by half of time but it was ok Aug 22 05:49:12 * gerwinin was last week in Poland :) so probarly changed countries with hrw Aug 22 05:49:42 gerwinin: where in poland? Aug 22 05:50:29 Warshau Aug 22 05:50:47 ah.. Aug 22 05:50:54 ~lart ipkg Aug 22 05:50:54 * ibot gives ipkg an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending ipkg to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple Aug 22 05:51:23 And wilsko polski or something like that Aug 22 05:52:21 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap: hostap-modules-cs orinoco-modules-cs hostap-modules (0.3.7) kernel-module-pcnet-cs - all just because those packages has other names but provide what ipkg want Aug 22 05:55:03 FYI: borzoi kernel config differences to akita is <1K Aug 22 05:55:08 no, sorry Aug 22 05:55:11 s/akita/spitz/ Aug 22 05:55:33 +CONFIG_ARCH_BORZOI=y Aug 22 05:55:41 -CONFIG_JFFS_RESERVE_BADBLOCKS=80 Aug 22 05:55:44 +CONFIG_JFFS_RESERVE_BADBLOCKS=24 Aug 22 05:55:55 that's the whole .config diff Aug 22 05:56:04 and then just some slight additions like Aug 22 05:56:09 -#ifdef SPITZ Aug 22 05:56:14 +#ifdef SPITZ || BORZOI Aug 22 05:57:24 the only thing I don't know at that point is whether it truncates the kernel (like the akita updater.sh) or not (like all other updater.sh) Aug 22 05:57:32 we need to know that and then we can release an image for testing Aug 22 05:59:45 mickeyl : we have some new boards comming in + the question of the manufacturer if we would like to commit the machine.conf files etc to oe who is the reviewer for those files and how can commit them ? Aug 22 06:00:17 gerwinin: bugs.openemebedded.org Aug 22 06:00:28 Okay Aug 22 06:00:53 zecke: Okay Aug 22 06:03:59 mickeyl: so borzoi is spitz + extra flash? Aug 22 06:04:11 mickeyl: morning Aug 22 06:04:16 hrw|work: correct Aug 22 06:04:30 http://pastebin.com/342969 - opie-lrelease-native fails on do_compile Aug 22 06:04:31 mickeyl: Its nice to see the kernel isn't too different for a change :) Aug 22 06:04:34 RP: good to know Aug 22 06:05:08 RP: heya Aug 22 06:05:48 RP: is the green LED hardwired to hda or is it (like everything else) done in the driver on Spitz? Aug 22 06:06:13 mickeyl: Its all software controlled. Currently none operative on 2.6 ;-) Aug 22 06:06:21 RP: cool :) Aug 22 06:06:34 * mickeyl still dreaming about an open LED controlling framework Aug 22 06:06:45 connect to Aug 22 06:06:48 mickeyl: I've noticed the battery readings are only sane when its turned on... Aug 22 06:07:00 mickeyl: It will happen. I just need to spend time on it Aug 22 06:07:18 excellent Aug 22 06:07:21 huh, that's odd Aug 22 06:07:31 (battery readings coupled to LED) Aug 22 06:08:00 mickeyl: I can't get stable battery readings and could really use some help from anyone with some time on that... Aug 22 06:08:29 The same problem appears on corgi, shepherd and husky although the green LED has no effect there... Aug 22 06:08:50 I think its something we should try and set the user community on :) Aug 22 06:09:03 * mickeyl adds to OOO newsletter Aug 22 06:09:32 hi mickeyl Aug 22 06:10:12 mickeyl: thanks Aug 22 06:10:18 mickeyl: what are current plans for oz 3.5.4 release? Aug 22 06:11:08 I got oe to compile opie and gpe images now for most of the via and freetech boards Aug 22 06:11:09 hrw|work: i think we should dump a release asap Aug 22 06:11:48 hrw|work: Opie just got some bluetooth patches to make obex work. If these are working and correct, then I'll tag 1.2.1 this week Aug 22 06:12:31 mickeyl: what do you think about removing 3.5.1, 3.5.2 from sf.net and also images of 3.5.3? this way only 3.5.4 can be installed and 3.5.3 users will have feed available Aug 22 06:13:22 hrw|work: personally, I'm all for it. It's likely other people will protest though. Aug 22 06:14:10 we still have a problem w/ Opie images on 16MB models Aug 22 06:14:27 mickeyl: I have one nasty task to do - unify 2.4.xx-crap defconfigs a bit more Aug 22 06:14:31 they're too large - especially after enabling the bluetooth stuff we have 2MB or so too much Aug 22 06:14:57 hrw|work: yep. the 2.4.20 are fairly close thogh Aug 22 06:15:09 i created the borzoi config out of spitz + 2 changes Aug 22 06:15:16 so at least those are simliar Aug 22 06:15:21 similar, too Aug 22 06:15:33 mickeyl: I'm talking about adding iptables, filesystems etc crap Aug 22 06:15:41 *nod* Aug 22 06:15:53 just do incremental changes please Aug 22 06:15:59 i'm not trusting 2.4.x Aug 22 06:16:02 -embedix Aug 22 06:16:20 wouldn't be surprised if we enable an exotic feature and the whole thing blows up Aug 22 06:16:23 we have ISA turned on on collie Aug 22 06:16:44 We shouldn't need 2.4 on spitz/akita/borzoi by 3.5.5 ;-) Aug 22 06:16:46 RP: have time for a query? Aug 22 06:16:59 mickeyl: yes Aug 22 06:17:01 RP: excellent. s/3.5.5/Angstrom 2006.01 Aug 22 06:20:22 mickeyl: regarding a release... http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229 Aug 22 06:21:53 reenoo_: righto. we may have to set IMAGE_LINUGAS = "" for a release or try to get it fixed Aug 22 06:23:06 you don't seriously want to do yet another release with broken i18n, do you? Aug 22 06:23:21 personally, i never cared much about i18n Aug 22 06:23:25 i know that some people do though Aug 22 06:23:25 mickeyl: do we know already which machines will be supported by Angstrom? Aug 22 06:24:24 hrw|work: in theory all machines that are nowadays supported by fam,oz,and os. In practice it will depend on whether we find two machine mentors for every MACHINE= setting. Aug 22 06:24:34 ok Aug 22 06:24:36 mickeyl: well. the bug is marked as blocker for a reason Aug 22 06:25:03 reenoo_: yeah I understand. Is someone looking into it? Aug 22 06:26:05 mickeyl: I don't anyone's actively working on it right now. see backlog in #gpe for the current plans Aug 22 06:26:58 mickeyl: basically the idea is to switch to the old locale archive format (and corresponding tools) and generate the files at packaging time Aug 22 06:27:46 reenoo_: aaah, ok. Aug 22 06:27:50 now i understand the OOM Aug 22 06:28:02 Opie does exactly that Aug 22 06:28:07 generating the files at packaging time Aug 22 06:29:58 mickeyl: Ours are portable ;) Aug 22 06:30:22 mickeyl: something Trolltech did right (actually it is from Qt so it must be right) Aug 22 06:30:33 *nod* Aug 22 06:30:35 quite so Aug 22 06:30:39 hail Qt Aug 22 06:30:53 i would've appreciated if they would've chose something more standard though Aug 22 06:31:08 it does suck a bit that glibc stores its locales in this funky way. Aug 22 06:32:23 * Twiun gives vodafone the 3-finger salute Aug 22 06:34:28 mickeyl: at least it is using pkg-config now Aug 22 06:34:41 ~ibot hail pkg-config Aug 22 06:34:41 * ibot bows down to pkg-config and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Aug 22 06:35:33 RP: only c7x0 have 2.6 working now? Aug 22 06:35:39 mickeyl: I take it you saw the last linux-oz-2.6 checkin btw? Aug 22 06:35:47 RP: of course. Aug 22 06:36:03 hrw|work: spitz is heading the right way. Just missing usb, IR and sound Aug 22 06:36:08 RP: Now that the E presentation day is over, I can do more tests w/ 2.6 on spitz Aug 22 06:36:39 mickeyl: excellent :) Aug 22 06:37:00 kergoth: we need to move openzaurus.org away from sf.net. It is unbearably slow since weeks Aug 22 06:37:32 hrw|work: For reference I have a spitz now btw (thanks to mallum/Openedhand) Aug 22 06:37:41 zecke: pkg-config is the start of a slippery slope. before you know it, you will be using libtool and automake. Aug 22 06:37:56 heh Aug 22 06:38:00 RP: great news Aug 22 06:39:46 pb_: well I was young and... http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/opensync-integration/kitchensync/configure.in.in?rev=451946&view=log Aug 22 06:39:51 pb_: your warning came too late Aug 22 06:41:11 "Do not allow others to compile by default" sounds like an outstanding idea. Aug 22 06:42:37 do you have some kind of blacklist of users who are not permitted to compile? Aug 22 06:50:18 * mickeyl wanders home Aug 22 06:55:01 pb_: some simple 'gentoo' heurestic Aug 22 06:55:34 cunning Aug 22 07:17:07 My monotone merge fails on packages/e17/entrance/config-db.patch.. vim 3-way merge is weird. Can I just somehow opt for the latest version? I don't even use any e17 stuff.. Aug 22 07:19:33 wrobbie: iirc "monotone --lca merge" can help Aug 22 07:21:00 --lca? googles for mt docs Aug 22 07:22:57 pb_: mtd looks like is fetchable from cvs again Aug 22 07:23:51 pb_: maybe we should/can go back to fetching mtd from cvs instead of changing its SRC_URI to newer snapshot from time to time? Aug 22 07:24:21 hrw: Hah, that actually seemed to work :) Aug 22 07:25:31 hrw|work: if you like, yes, but it must have a fixed CVSDATE. Aug 22 07:26:13 pb_: of course Aug 22 07:27:11 Is there still a list of recent updates somewhere? (such as the BK stuff used to provide) Aug 22 07:27:13 RP: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194 is a small tweak to defconfigs.. Aug 22 07:27:21 wrobbie: monotone.vanille.de Aug 22 07:28:08 Ah, the CIA.. thanks! Aug 22 07:42:38 morning kergoth Aug 22 07:44:20 morning Aug 22 07:44:55 hi kergoth` Aug 22 07:45:03 hi kergoth` Aug 22 07:47:33 * france is away: Away Aug 22 07:52:10 hrw|work: I'll sort that out Aug 22 07:52:17 fucking monday. Aug 22 07:52:55 RP: great Aug 22 07:53:53 RP: atleast c7x0 get it without problem Aug 22 07:54:29 hrw|work: Yes, I'll not add it to anything else until we have people using 2.6 on those devices... Aug 22 07:54:43 I'm trying to keep spitz lean so my kernel compiles are fast (for now) ;-) Aug 22 07:55:19 sure Aug 22 07:56:50 spitz give most of akita and borzoi work? Aug 22 07:57:21 btw, RP, are you compiling opie/gpe-image with the 2.6 kernel at all? The orinoco drivers bomb out for me when I do. Aug 22 07:57:59 hrw|work: borzoi should be easy. akita needs the i2c ioexpander driver to be written Aug 22 07:58:10 Noodles: I'm not doing opie/gpe images but orinoco does work Aug 22 07:58:29 Noodles: If you switched from 2.4 to 2.6, wipe the kernel headers in staging Aug 22 07:59:44 New monotone pull, new conflict that needs manual 3-way merge (which doesn't seem to work, whatever I do).. --lca doesn't do it either this time. Is it my setup? Aug 22 08:02:27 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r1cf882a1... 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu_1.13-20050820.bb: ttf-dejavu: changed PV to get 1.13-snapshot newer then 1.13 Aug 22 08:02:32 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3c029d76... 10/packages/hostap/hostap-modules_0.3.9.bb: added 'add_event.patch' to get hostap-modules working with 2.6.12+ kernels - close bug #231 Aug 22 08:02:34 Very odd. arm-linux/include/linux/version.h claims 2.6. Aug 22 08:03:29 wrobbie: using vimdiff for the merge? Aug 22 08:03:31 I have local commits that are not pushed, maybe that's a bad idea.. Aug 22 08:03:51 yes, EDITOR=vim Aug 22 08:04:49 wrobbie: if so, make sure you modify the file (add an empty line, then remove it or something). otherwise vim won't save it and monotone thinks you haven't merged it because the timestamp hasn't changed Aug 22 08:06:09 reenoo_: I do ':%diffput 3' from buffer 2 (newest). hmm, maybe it didn't safe indeed... Aug 22 08:07:56 wrobbie: not sure what diffput does. make sure you merge to the left-most window anyway Aug 22 08:09:19 reenoo_: Fails too.. left-most? I was merging to right-most.. hohum Aug 22 08:09:56 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ra8b99409... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc5-mm1/defconfig-c7x0: linux-oz-2.6: Add SL811 USB CF Card to defconfig Aug 22 08:10:11 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0bcaa551... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc5-mm1/defconfig-spitz: linux-oz-2.6: Update spitz defconfig to start experimenting with USB Host Aug 22 08:11:03 reenoo_: ah, that worked.. it opened the next set of files, groan.. Aug 22 08:12:17 Noodles: There are 2.4 only files that get into staging and confuse things Aug 22 08:12:41 I'll nuke and try again. Aug 22 08:13:59 Noodles: Just nuke the linux directory Aug 22 08:14:02 (in staging) Aug 22 08:16:20 RP: -> /query Aug 22 08:17:25 curses, it just keeps opening one conflicted set after the other.. can't tell how many there will be. is that normal? Aug 22 08:19:14 cu Aug 22 08:20:14 Good evening Aug 22 08:20:58 Guess i have to start from scratch, and not commit anything myself if it's only local anyway. Aug 22 08:23:10 hey sirfred, long time no see Aug 22 08:23:15 vacation that long? Aug 22 08:24:12 mickeyl: Hello. Aug 22 08:24:16 mickeyl: Well, not that long. Aug 22 08:24:34 mickeyl: I was back a pair of weeks ago, but... too tired for being back at the routine. Aug 22 08:25:08 sirfred: ya, i know. sometimes you're feeling different after a vacation and need to rest a while Aug 22 08:25:40 mickeyl: Yes, spare time has an strange effect on me, I'm more tired when I'm back Aug 22 08:26:03 mickeyl: Now, I'm really back. Aug 22 08:26:28 mickeyl: One question, do I need to perform a pull + update to actually update my openembedded monotone local copy? Aug 22 08:26:44 Welcome back. to put you up to the latest: I still can't get W100 suspend/resume to work here, even when I'm suspending from Opie (which is supposed to call the necessary qcops) Aug 22 08:26:46 Yes Aug 22 08:26:51 pull just synchronizes the db Aug 22 08:26:56 update updates the working copy Aug 22 08:27:07 mickeyl: That's strange. It's working for me, but using an apm-proxy script. Aug 22 08:27:18 mickeyl: I'm going to rescue my Husky and test it again. Aug 22 08:27:22 cool Aug 22 08:27:37 mickeyl: What is synchronizing the db useful for? Aug 22 08:28:17 well, you need to synchronize the db before you can update your working copy :) Aug 22 08:28:20 mickeyl: If I try to just 'updating', it complains about: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' has multiple heads Aug 22 08:28:24 mt update is a local operation Aug 22 08:28:27 mickeyl: So, both actions are needed. Aug 22 08:28:30 yes Aug 22 08:28:36 multiple heads is a problem... Aug 22 08:28:45 mickeyl: Oh, so the DB is really containing the changes, and the update is just spreading them over the actual sources? Aug 22 08:28:52 *nod* Aug 22 08:29:03 I understand Aug 22 08:29:15 Perhaps I should start from scratch again. Aug 22 08:29:42 i recommend downloading a current db snap from koen Aug 22 08:29:48 then pull from vanille to update it Aug 22 08:29:48 I remember the last time I tried an update, it lasted more than an hour on my pentiumIII Aug 22 08:30:02 anyone know where koen has the snaps? Aug 22 08:30:06 mickeyl: Where can I get those... Aug 22 08:30:08 mickeyl: That. Aug 22 08:30:50 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 Aug 22 08:30:53 4 days old Aug 22 08:30:57 will take a while to update that Aug 22 08:31:04 but faster than a pull from scratch :) Aug 22 08:31:07 mickeyl: ok Aug 22 08:31:16 ibot: OE snapshots is http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/ Aug 22 08:31:17 ...but oe snapshots is already something else... Aug 22 08:31:29 ~oe snapshots Aug 22 08:31:29 i heard oe snapshots is see http://treke.net/~bk/ Aug 22 08:31:40 ~forget oe snapshots Aug 22 08:31:40 reenoo_: i forgot oe snapshots Aug 22 08:31:50 ibot: OE snapshots is see http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/ Aug 22 08:31:51 okay, reenoo_ Aug 22 08:31:58 Buff, it weights 83Mb Aug 22 08:33:13 That's much more than my uncompressed old db (43Mb) Aug 22 08:34:41 123M oe.db Aug 22 08:35:15 seems like we have a problem if it continues to grow that fast Aug 22 08:35:23 I suppose the DB is growing as changes are made on the repository. Aug 22 08:35:39 Yes, it has a terrific growing rate. Aug 22 08:38:39 36M oe.db Aug 22 08:38:47 that was about a month ago Aug 22 08:39:36 heh Aug 22 08:41:21 in the bitkeeper times we had 5 active people, now we have nearly 20 - that's one part of the difference Aug 22 08:41:32 mickeyl: My husky is suspending fine using opie suspend menu entry. Aug 22 08:41:40 mickeyl: Well, I should say resuming fine. Aug 22 08:42:06 sirfred: could you use an image from OE and check the differences? Aug 22 08:42:36 mickeyl: I suppose than the difference is that I have an apm-script that is resuming correctly my w100 Aug 22 08:42:49 it shouldn't make a difference for suspending from Opie Aug 22 08:42:56 that's what worries me Aug 22 08:43:21 mickeyl: But perhaps I forgot to implement something in opie resuming. Aug 22 08:44:03 mickeyl: I suppose that the right behaviour is sending the resuming message from opie resuming routine. Aug 22 08:44:11 which is what it does Aug 22 08:44:15 mickeyl: Perhaps that's what is missing. Aug 22 08:44:25 I'm going to take a look at it. Aug 22 08:44:29 k Aug 22 08:45:54 mickeyl: Humm, the line is there: Aug 22 08:45:55 QCopEnvelope( "QPE/System", "returnFromSuspend()" ); Aug 22 08:46:04 http://terminus.sk/~marek/prog/ipt_sysrq.shtml .. twisted. Aug 22 08:46:26 kergoth: pretty cool Aug 22 08:46:44 CoreDump|afk: you there? Aug 22 08:47:00 that's cute. I wonder why he wrote it as a netfilter plugin, though. Aug 22 08:47:16 * kergoth` too Aug 22 08:55:10 mickeyl: Well it doesn't work on my husky when I commented out the qcop resuming message sent from the apm script Aug 22 08:55:29 hmm Aug 22 08:56:01 * kergoth` taps foot while bitbake parses Aug 22 08:56:16 that means that some code gets effective right after resume but before we send the return qcop message Aug 22 08:56:33 man, if i keep using this i'm really going to be tempted to pick up bitbake-ng again :P Aug 22 08:56:41 use bitbake -i Aug 22 08:56:43 :D Aug 22 08:57:14 no no, we want the new one :) Aug 22 08:57:24 who is we? Aug 22 08:57:32 everyone :) Aug 22 08:57:35 i don't want a new one, i'm pretty satisfied with the old one Aug 22 08:57:45 parsing speed is about the only real complaint for me Aug 22 08:57:46 nah Aug 22 08:58:19 actually it parses atleast 5x faster than monotone Aug 22 08:58:22 mickeyl: Well, I'm going to trace it a little. Aug 22 08:58:46 mickeyl: Could the qcop message be lost? Aug 22 08:58:50 sirfred: cool, thanks. i'd really like to ship the next oz/opie release with the w100 display by default Aug 22 08:59:20 sirfred: unlikely. we could test that by writing a small dump application that writes everything it receives via qpe/system to a file Aug 22 09:00:07 mickeyl: I see there's a log already at the prepareToResume() W100 driver. Aug 22 09:00:21 mickeyl: I only have to enable it. Aug 22 09:03:12 anyone playing with oe for the wrt nowadays? anyone clean up that pile of shit linksys calls a kernel? Aug 22 09:04:02 sirfred: welcome back! Aug 22 09:04:09 RP: Hello! Aug 22 09:04:21 RP: thanks Aug 22 09:04:38 RP: I have some news. Aug 22 09:04:47 sirfred: Sadly no w100 developments from me whilst you've been away - I've a new toy ;-) Aug 22 09:04:50 RP: I've found an ACE_DDI.DLL driver. Aug 22 09:04:56 RP: oh! Aug 22 09:05:07 sirfred: Ah - does it contain anything useful? Aug 22 09:05:33 sirfred: I will get back to the w100, just not for a couple of weeks ;-) Aug 22 09:05:37 RP: I think so, it seems there're no strange jump tables. Aug 22 09:05:40 kergoth, couple new people have been asking/setting up for it Aug 22 09:06:09 RP: And a good sign is that some windows ce programs using this drivers, are able to do some stretchblt stuff for media players. Aug 22 09:06:12 * XorA suddenly realises he should be gone by now and leaves Aug 22 09:06:33 RP: SO, perhaps the driver (is the firmware embedded into the driver?) is more advanced and less buggy. Aug 22 09:06:37 emte, mmk, i'll probably pick it back up. my wrt is on stock firmware and i _need_ a good QOS setup on it Aug 22 09:06:47 sirfred: If you have a disassembly, please send it over ;-) Aug 22 09:07:09 RP: Did you get that disassembler, finally? Aug 22 09:07:43 later this week i am going to have to figure out this stupid emacs issue ... unless zecke beats me to it Aug 22 09:07:49 sirfred: I did download it (I think) but never got around to using it... Aug 22 09:08:55 RP: We have suggesting function names as AhiDrawBitBltMulti, AhiIDCTOpen, AhiIDCTFrameStart,... Aug 22 09:09:36 RP: It seems that the API to perform accelerated IDCT is exposed in this driver. It would be really useful for video acceleration. Aug 22 09:09:45 what the fuck Aug 22 09:09:48 5751 klog 25 0 2432 440 424 R 81.2 0.2 4035:19 klogd Aug 22 09:09:56 81.2% of my cpu consumed by my klogd?? Aug 22 09:10:07 log rotation Aug 22 09:10:26 kergoth`: crumbs, that's a lotta logging Aug 22 09:10:32 or a very slow cpu, one or the other Aug 22 09:10:59 sirfred: That looks extremely promising! Aug 22 09:11:42 RP: The disassembler is easy to setup, and it will be very useful to follow cross-references and those kind of stuff. I recommend you to install it. Aug 22 09:12:07 RP: I can also send you a disassemble, as you want. Aug 22 09:12:37 RP: I would like to see my husky as a decent video player. Aug 22 09:15:23 isnt that what helix is supposed to be for? Aug 22 09:15:27 :P Aug 22 09:15:52 altho i cant imagine most cell phones having a huge cpu Aug 22 09:17:18 sirfred: A copy of the DLL would be useful and if you have a disassembly, I'd quite like a look :) Aug 22 09:17:37 RP: Of course. Aug 22 09:17:42 sirfred: I will setup the disassembler, I'm just not sure how soon ;-) Aug 22 09:17:43 mickeyl: should get rid of subject line prefixing on the oe-commits list. pointless Aug 22 09:17:55 ya Aug 22 09:18:18 * kergoth` still has thousands of unread mails to attempt to catch up on :\ Aug 22 09:25:32 hi mreimer Aug 22 09:25:36 hi pb_ Aug 22 09:25:47 mickeyl: It's very strange. Looking at the logs I'm getting, and at a first sight, it seems that the apm --suspend is not synchronous. Aug 22 09:26:02 argh Aug 22 09:26:05 ~lart mickeyl Aug 22 09:26:05 * ibot moos at mickeyl Aug 22 09:26:13 *sigh* Aug 22 09:26:15 of course it isn't Aug 22 09:26:17 hehe, forget to stop using the wrapper on 2.6? Aug 22 09:26:17 mickeyl: I've got these two log lines before suspending: Aug 22 09:26:20 9129:WARNING:QW100Screen::prepareToSuspend. Server = true Aug 22 09:26:20 9129:WARNING:QW100Screen::prepareToResume. Server = true Aug 22 09:26:27 even on the c7x0 2.6 we're using the damn wrapper Aug 22 09:26:29 mickeyl: So, we have a problem. Aug 22 09:26:31 * kergoth` laughs Aug 22 09:26:35 grrr Aug 22 09:26:42 sirfred: no problem Aug 22 09:26:42 mickeyl: It works because of the apm script. Aug 22 09:26:53 sirfred: rm `which apm` Aug 22 09:26:57 mv apm.orig apm Aug 22 09:27:00 try now Aug 22 09:27:04 (without the apm script) Aug 22 09:27:14 mickeyl: Let's try. Aug 22 09:28:09 ~lart Sharp Aug 22 09:28:09 * ibot drops a baby grand on Sharp Aug 22 09:28:19 it's because of them that we have to use the wrapper at all Aug 22 09:30:00 I'm trying to build gpe-image (almost successful). But if I try to continue to bitbake what I had tried bitbake a couple of days ago, will it try to build today's cvs of the various packages, rather than just using the versions built the other day? Aug 22 09:30:29 Not if you set the CVSDATE variable Aug 22 09:31:03 ok, so I should set CVSDATE to "20050820" or whatever in my build/conf/local.conf? Aug 22 09:31:54 right Aug 22 09:32:07 thanks CosmicPenguin Aug 22 09:35:22 another question about building gpe-image: I'm getting errors in the do_rootfs task. One is " ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied". Is this safe to ignore, or not? If not, what am I doing wrong that I need to fix? Aug 22 09:36:15 Ignore it Aug 22 09:36:32 hi all... bitbake always craps out for me while trying to download libwidget-0.103, from either gpe.handhelds.org or www.oesources.org... this happened the otehr day, and someone in this chat seemed to have no problem with it. any idea why I can't seem to get it? Aug 22 09:36:49 When you say crapped out..... you mean? Aug 22 09:36:59 thanks again CosmicPenguin Aug 22 09:37:05 the full url is http://www.oesources.org/source/current/libgpewidget-0.103.tar.bz2... Aug 22 09:37:15 it gives up, not being able to download the file Aug 22 09:38:07 the next error in the do_rootfs task is "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-task-base: libgcc1 (>= 3.4.4+csl-arm-20050603)". How do I resolve this? I can't find a libgcc1 bb. Aug 22 09:38:46 mreimer: well, gcc-cross should build a libgcc Aug 22 09:38:51 mreimer: not sure how to solve that one, I'm not a gpe guy Aug 22 09:38:59 hi Aug 22 09:39:18 CosmicPenguin: heh. libgcc1 is hardly gpe specific Aug 22 09:41:03 zecke_: do you mean gcc-cross-kernel? Aug 22 09:41:14 that's all I see with that name in build/tmp/work Aug 22 09:41:39 mreimer: if you compiled gpe with gcc-cross-kernel... Aug 22 09:41:49 mreimer: check what version of gcc you've installed Aug 22 09:42:16 zecke_: how do I do that? just look in build/tmp/cross? Aug 22 09:42:29 mreimer: ipkg status? Aug 22 09:42:42 zecke_: you can do that on the host? Aug 22 09:43:15 mreimer: Are you bullshiting me? or do you have a new irc? ;) Aug 22 09:43:31 nick... Aug 22 09:43:51 mreimer: Did you build half of your distri with one gcc and then switched configs? Aug 22 09:45:00 reenoo_: I know that, but I've never dicked with csl-arm, for example, so I don't know if there are any gotchas.. :) Aug 22 09:45:11 hey zecke you done anymore work on taht emacs issue? Aug 22 09:45:14 zecke_: I'm not sure. I'm a newbie at OE. All I did was update monotone and keep trying to 'bitbake gpe-image'. All I've done in build/conf/local.conf is set PREFERRED_VERSION and CVSDATE for xserver-kdrive. Aug 22 09:45:31 zecke_: I haven't touched the PREFERRED_PROVIDERS stuff in local.conf Aug 22 09:45:40 emte: no as it works for my local guys ;) Aug 22 09:46:00 mreimer: well if it says it can not find something with the right version Aug 22 09:46:11 mreimer: i would check if I have something called libgcc1 Aug 22 09:46:17 mreimer: and then check this version Aug 22 09:46:26 mreimer: in tmp/deploy/ipk you have a Packages file Aug 22 09:46:43 mreimer: and you should be able to use ipkg pretty much the way you use it on your device Aug 22 09:52:04 zecke_: in tmp/deploy/ipkg I have morgue/libgcc1_3.4.4+csl-arm-20050603-r0_arm.ipk and ipk/libgcc1_3.4.4-r1_arm.ipk. Does this imply that from the time I first tried to build gpe-image and now, that the gcc config changed? Should bitbake figure this out on its own, or do I need to rm -rf build/tmp and start over? Aug 22 09:57:57 RP: wow.....just...wow. Great job getting that power management code working. I hope you didn't fry your spitz too bad getting it working. Aug 22 09:59:08 sii a all Aug 22 09:59:13 mickeyl: Sharp just released the Borzoi kernel eh? Aug 22 09:59:22 JustinP: yep Aug 22 09:59:36 JustinP: borzoi is nearly same to spitz Aug 22 09:59:59 JustinP: It seems to have survived :) Aug 22 10:00:02 hrw: I know....I wonder how much is different between their kernels.... Aug 22 10:00:31 RP: :-). I suppose I can try to test the kernel on mine. Any issues I should watch out for? Extra packages to install? Packages to uninstall? Aug 22 10:01:07 JustinP: mickeyl told that it is just one change in config and some small changes in source - mainly added #ifdef SPITZ | BORZOI Aug 22 10:01:19 mreimer: bitbake isn't directly involved with that. ipkg checks the dependencies and 3.4.4+csl-arm-20050603-r0 sorts later than 3.4.4-r1 Aug 22 10:01:53 * JustinP is temted to take a look.... Aug 22 10:02:06 I looked at the changes from Spitz to Akita and it made my head hurt Aug 22 10:02:16 JustinP: It should all be reasonably safe. I'd install the 2.6 keymap file before reflashing the 2.6 kernel and install any modules you'll want... Aug 22 10:02:38 RP: such as the USB eth modules? Aug 22 10:02:47 (argh, my main dev machine is down) Aug 22 10:03:07 JustinP: USB, IR and sound don't work yet but that's all ;-) Aug 22 10:03:32 RP: ah, so no USB device, then? :-( Aug 22 10:03:37 I enabled the USB modules as usb host shouldn't be far away... Aug 22 10:03:52 RP: I use the USB for a net connection when I'm near a cmputer usually. Aug 22 10:04:16 RP: CF works, though, of course....are the wireless eth cards working? Such as the Ambicom? Aug 22 10:04:17 JustinP: Hopefully, the pxa270 udc code from hh.org will fix that Aug 22 10:04:28 usbnet is my favorite connection on husky Aug 22 10:04:40 I use wlan.... Aug 22 10:04:47 ok Aug 22 10:04:54 I'll try ti out then....might be tonight, though Aug 22 10:05:13 JustinP: It will happen, give me time ;-) Aug 22 10:05:19 RP: I have to check does it is my wrt54 or dlink cf wifi card which make that connection very slow and unstable Aug 22 10:05:27 * kergoth` pokes at syslinux/extlinux Aug 22 10:05:57 ~lart busybox Aug 22 10:05:57 * ibot gives busybox a good seeing to Aug 22 10:06:03 RP: I'm not meaning to be impatient, just expressing myself. You're getting this done far faster than I expected. And surely faster than *I* could have done it. ;-) Aug 22 10:06:44 mickeyl: btw - did you get mail from me with forwarded message from tuxmobil? Aug 22 10:06:51 mickeyl: It's strange, but without the apm wrapper, the w100 never resumes correctly. I don't know how to interpret this. Aug 22 10:07:36 hrw: yep, i replied to you the same day. Aug 22 10:07:38 JustinP: np. Just keep in mind I've had it less than two weeks ;-) Aug 22 10:07:42 sirfred: odd Aug 22 10:08:15 mickeyl: Now, I'm getting all the logs (logs for suspending and logs for resuming) when resuming, that seems to be right. Aug 22 10:08:26 mickeyl: Well, perhaps not. Aug 22 10:08:38 mickeyl: ok - good to know that message arrives in your inbox (I dont get response yet) Aug 22 10:08:54 RP: exactly. I'm amazed at the speed with which you're doing this. Of course you have the embeddix kernel as a reference but thatt doesn't make it all *that* much easier. And I'm sure it makes your head hurt every time you look at it. :-| Aug 22 10:09:00 mickeyl: I'm thinking that we are sending the qcop message from odevice, but are we sure the message is managed before suspending? Aug 22 10:09:05 mickeyl: found. Aug 22 10:09:24 mickeyl: I mean that we do: 1.-Send message, 2.-suspend. Aug 22 10:09:32 sirfred: that's a good question! we may have to processEvents() in between Aug 22 10:09:44 mickeyl: I had too much mails to dig into ;) Aug 22 10:10:05 JustinP: The only thing in my favour is I've done this once for c7x0 already and the devices are similar :) Aug 22 10:10:35 mickeyl: What is that supposed to do? Aug 22 10:10:58 mickeyl: Perhaps the asynchronous nature of the wrapper call was helping us to process events before the actual suspending. Aug 22 10:11:18 RP: ah yes, that too. Thanks a lot for all of your hard work on this. I'd love to help but I'm much less of a C hacker than I used to be....I've been doing PHP exclusively for 2+ years now...:_| Aug 22 10:13:06 hmmmm....what device is network-suspend-scripts supposed to work for? IMHO this would be useful for *all* of the zaurii as they all seem to have issues with suspend/resume while using USB eth. The modules I saw in thos efiles sure aren't right for the spitz, though.... Aug 22 10:13:42 JustinP: all 2.4.18 zauruses Aug 22 10:14:29 2.6 shouldn't need scripts Aug 22 10:14:30 mickeyl: Supposing that your processEvents() is something able to force to consume all the qcop events/messages in the queue, that should be true for all the running clients. Aug 22 10:14:33 hrw: so the collie and such....ok. Perhaps this can be updated to work with the others as well. I know the same thing happens with my Spitz with "2.4.20". Aug 22 10:14:54 RP: I've sent you the dll and a disassemble. Aug 22 10:14:57 JustinP: its basically base-files/MACHINE/usbd Aug 22 10:15:20 RP: :-) Aug 22 10:15:20 hmmm Aug 22 10:15:30 sirfred: yep. processEvents() should allow the qcop to actually be sent, since sending a qcop just enqueues it into the qt message queue Aug 22 10:15:52 sirfred: Thanks. I'm out early this evening but will perhaps get a look later tonight Aug 22 10:16:17 mickeyl: I'm afraid there will always be some uncertainty in all this. Aug 22 10:16:35 mickeyl: We cannot assure that the messages will be processed by the clients. Aug 22 10:17:26 that means going away from qcop messages Aug 22 10:17:37 mickeyl: Perhaps we should implement some kind of callback mechanism. Aug 22 10:17:38 and calling methods instead Aug 22 10:17:56 yeah Aug 22 10:18:05 would you guys mind moving that to #opie? Aug 22 10:18:28 reenoo_: Well, is not 100% opie related. Aug 22 10:18:29 reenoo_: it's interesting :) Aug 22 10:18:52 reenoo_: kernel, apm and friends are also involved. Are we disturbing you? Aug 22 10:19:27 sirfred: no, it's just hard reading the backlog since I'm working all day today Aug 22 10:20:03 sirfred: if you feel this is the best place to discuss it anyway I'll be fine with that Aug 22 10:20:29 mickeyl: As you wish. Aug 22 10:21:15 *shrug* it's a device support issue. Slightly Opie specific, but other GUI environments will have to deal with the problem as well if they are interested in w100 accel. Aug 22 10:21:32 CosmicPenguin: hum, this doesnt look too painful Aug 22 10:21:51 CosmicPenguin: (using extlinux on an image emitted by oe, that is) Aug 22 10:22:29 sirfred: For what its worth, I'm reading your discussion... Aug 22 10:23:43 is there any "acceleration" to be had on the spitz graphics chip? Aug 22 10:24:04 sirfred: I think we can never be sure about the timing in apm.d, so synchronous callbacks seem to be the only way to avoid race conditions. Aug 22 10:24:06 * JustinP may have asked this before.... Aug 22 10:24:06 mickeyl: Just trying to summarize. The problem with the qcop method is that it's essentially asynchronous and oneway. I think that we won't be able to know if the clients are preparing for suspending on time. Aug 22 10:24:15 JustinP: no i don't think pxafb has any accel Aug 22 10:24:30 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6aabdcba... 10/packages/sword/sword_1.5.8.bb: added sword 1.5.8 Aug 22 10:24:33 JustinP: Just overlay support. No accel Aug 22 10:24:49 kergoth: cool Aug 22 10:25:04 RP: ok. Does any of our code take advantage of the overlay? (i.e. X server, Opie) Aug 22 10:25:21 mickeyl: The good thing about qcop is that the message is spreaded automatically to all clients. Aug 22 10:25:41 JustinP: No, although mplayer support exists if I remember rightly Aug 22 10:25:51 CosmicPenguin: i wonder if sfdisk can operate on a file rather than device Aug 22 10:26:02 CosmicPenguin: course i suppose the whole disk geometry issue could be a problem Aug 22 10:26:39 mickeyl: So the think is that we need to perform some kind of RPC to all the clients. That seems not easy to get. Aug 22 10:26:43 kergoth: you would have to for sure know what your geometry was Aug 22 10:26:47 * kergoth` nods Aug 22 10:26:49 s/think/thing Aug 22 10:27:04 kergoth: What would be ideal - if you could pass a binary file with the drive identity to sfdisk Aug 22 10:27:28 cat /proc/ide/hda/gometry > my.disk Aug 22 10:27:33 sfdisk -i my.disk Aug 22 10:27:56 mickeyl: Do we have some standar mechanism to achieve that? Aug 22 10:28:30 nod. i'm starting to wonder just how useful itll be, but.. well.. say your developers all have a certain set of cf cards floating around for testing, you could have oe emit images for those known card geometries Aug 22 10:28:39 so i guess itd be beneficial Aug 22 10:29:01 In an embedded situation, you have more control over the media - if you're using a Disk on Module for example, you should have a good idea of whats in the boxen Aug 22 10:29:16 * kergoth` nods Aug 22 10:29:18 good point Aug 22 10:29:28 * CosmicPenguin sees a technical marketing dude walk by, and goes to raise hel Aug 22 10:29:29 l Aug 22 10:29:35 hrhr Aug 22 10:29:36 erm Aug 22 10:29:37 hehe Aug 22 10:32:04 sirfred: hmm Aug 22 10:32:08 sirfred: thinking about that Aug 22 10:32:16 sirfred: we have a list of QWS clients right?= Aug 22 10:32:17 mickeyl: That's good Aug 22 10:32:23 mickeyl: Hmm. Aug 22 10:32:44 sirfred: what speaks against calling a dedicated method for each client? Aug 22 10:33:05 mickeyl: I'm not sure if the suspend message is originated in the server. Aug 22 10:33:11 mickeyl: perhaps we're just another client? Aug 22 10:33:32 hell raised Aug 22 10:33:33 sirfred: there are only three sources of suspend Aug 22 10:33:41 not sure if it will do any good - marketing doesn't fear the devil, usually Aug 22 10:33:53 sirfred: a) odevice b) apm --suspend command line c) power button Aug 22 10:34:42 mickeyl: I agree Aug 22 10:35:38 mickeyl: Well, I've just seen this: if ( !isQWS( ) ) // only qwsserver is allowed to suspend Aug 22 10:36:17 mickeyl: So, yes, suspending from (1) is only possible from the qwsServer. But, do we want that limitation? Aug 22 10:36:42 no problem with that Aug 22 10:36:57 mickeyl: Think for example in some program that is able to perform some work and then suspend the machine using libopie mechanisms. Aug 22 10:38:06 sirfred: we could very well impose the limit that suspend from a qws app is only allowed through the means of sending a qcop message Aug 22 10:38:16 mickeyl: ok. Aug 22 10:39:25 mickeyl: I have to leave now. Aug 22 10:39:42 ok Aug 22 10:39:46 mickeyl: But I would like to hear your ideas about this. Aug 22 10:40:15 i'd need to have more insight in the implementation before making educated guesses. Aug 22 10:40:23 i'll read your driver when i have a chance Aug 22 10:40:26 mickeyl: Perhaps we should think about some mechanism that could be useful for other environments. Aug 22 10:40:48 mickeyl: right. bbl Aug 22 10:40:57 I still think this belongs into kernel land, but it looks like I'm alone with that :) Aug 22 10:41:03 uf.. passwords sent to all oz.org users which dont get it yet Aug 22 10:41:06 mickeyl: :) Aug 22 10:41:14 hrw: cool Aug 22 10:41:26 kergoth: of course, if you could get extlinux to work, would you even need a partition table at all? Aug 22 10:41:58 mickeyl: I wrote one script to run on sf.net (php from shell) which set passwords and generate log (csv) and 2nd which take log and send mails from my home machine Aug 22 10:42:35 nice! Aug 22 10:42:56 mickeyl: Yes, what I would like is some low level functionality that allowed me to register a process as belonging to a group, and then be able to send some synchronous message to that group, being able to look at their responses. Aug 22 10:44:05 ~hail usbnet Aug 22 10:44:05 * ibot bows down to usbnet and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Aug 22 10:46:20 mickeyl: I am now Aug 22 10:46:24 hey all Aug 22 10:46:48 ~curse admins which use RBL Aug 22 10:46:48 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, admins which use RBL ! Aug 22 10:47:32 RP: how to disable battery infos in dmesg? Aug 22 10:48:04 CoreDump|home: right when I need to leave ;) Aug 22 10:48:06 bbl Aug 22 10:48:11 ;) Aug 22 10:48:19 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc8b23fec... 10/packages/obexftp/obexftp_0.10.3.bb: obexftp depends on libgsm Aug 22 10:50:58 RP: or how to help with battery support code? Aug 22 10:54:37 ~c860 Aug 22 10:54:50 umm what was the codename of the C860 again? Aug 22 10:55:10 boxer Aug 22 10:55:14 ~boxer Aug 22 10:55:15 well, boxer is Sharp SL-C860, or a dog. Aug 22 10:55:17 ah tahnks Aug 22 10:55:19 np Aug 22 10:55:21 thanks even Aug 22 10:58:17 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r738abaf4... 10/packages/alsa/alsa-utils_1.0.8.bb: add ncurses dependency Aug 22 11:00:31 hrw: Comment out the DEBUG define in arch/arm/mach-pxa/corgi_battery.c Aug 22 11:00:32 whee! first oe build in months explodes horribly, thats always fun Aug 22 11:00:34 ;) Aug 22 11:00:40 hrw: I shouldn't have left that in, sorry. Aug 22 11:00:54 CosmicPenguin: whats the last glibc cvsdate you've tested x86 targets with? :) Aug 22 11:01:01 I've got to go now - back later Aug 22 11:01:02 glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 failed here Aug 22 11:01:07 RP: cu and thx Aug 22 11:02:08 kergoth`: make sure to use NPTL with that. linuxthreads is apparently deprecated on x86 Aug 22 11:02:24 whats the appropriate means of enabling nptl? Aug 22 11:02:43 ah there it is, in x86 and epia .conf's Aug 22 11:02:48 check epia.conf Aug 22 11:02:50 right Aug 22 11:03:00 * kergoth` rm -rf tmp Aug 22 11:04:04 reenoo_: heh, i'm targeting i386, which, afaik, doesnt support tls, so nptl is out Aug 22 11:04:19 * kergoth` checks the info on his hardware Aug 22 11:04:53 oh. heh. guess you'll have to use an older glibc then Aug 22 11:06:45 wished this theorem prover (or my desktop of course) were faster Aug 22 11:07:14 kergoth: hmmm..... Aug 22 11:07:46 heh - I guess the last image geode image I build was a 20050516 Aug 22 11:08:23 but I just did an athlon build with a modern cvsdate Aug 22 11:11:33 ~lart udev 065 Aug 22 11:11:33 * ibot strangles udev 065 with a 9-pole serial cable Aug 22 11:11:59 someone remember magic needed to get it started on OE powered device? Aug 22 11:12:28 yes, the magic is .. install it. Aug 22 11:12:35 * kergoth` runs Aug 22 11:13:51 run kergoth run... Aug 22 11:14:00 kergoth`: how is your job? Aug 22 11:14:39 pretty good, learning lots of fun networky things Aug 22 11:14:58 and it looks like i'll be wearing a number of hats, so to speak.. developer.. integration.. distro.. CM.. Aug 22 11:15:03 which should keep it interesting. Aug 22 11:15:15 kergoth`: good to hear Aug 22 11:15:37 and its a good excuse to play with oe again, after my absence Aug 22 11:15:41 which is always good Aug 22 11:15:43 ;) Aug 22 11:15:53 mreimer: was your question answered? Aug 22 11:26:00 Upgrading udev on root from 065-r0 to 068-r0... Aug 22 11:33:10 hmm.. time to switch to udev 058 or 063 - maybe that ones will work out-of-box (/me is udev lamer) Aug 22 11:42:44 multiple heads... Aug 22 11:43:18 again? Aug 22 11:43:26 hrm. I wonder if at some point pictbridge will be supported? Aug 22 11:43:28 NAiL: please merge Aug 22 11:50:19 JustinP: I merged heads Aug 22 11:57:08 subdue: what is pictbridge? Aug 22 12:05:48 zecke_: pictbridge is kind of protocol used in digital cameras and printers to print photos without using computer - just printer+camera (thats how I understand it) Aug 22 12:07:08 hrw: that is correct Aug 22 12:08:07 anyway as I dont have printer never used it Aug 22 12:12:10 hmm.. I have my resume as html but want to send it as pdf... someone have an idea how to convert it in easy way? Aug 22 12:12:57 hrw: There's a pdf2html package in debian. Aug 22 12:13:02 hrw: Perhaps it could help Aug 22 12:13:46 hrw: Excuse me, I understand it the other way Aug 22 12:13:50 sirfred: ;) Aug 22 12:17:45 hrw: Perhaps htmldoc: http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/ Aug 22 12:17:53 hrw, this could help: Aug 22 12:17:54 http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=html2ps&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all Aug 22 12:18:22 from ps it should be no problem I think Aug 22 12:18:57 just print it to file from your favourite browser Aug 22 12:19:11 and ps2pdf afterwards Aug 22 12:19:49 reenoo_: probably it will finish like that Aug 22 12:21:37 zecke_: I ended up rm -rf build/tmp and am going to start over. I was deleting all packages and work directories that had the csl-arm version of gcc dependency, but it was taking too long to do that. Once I get this machine up again (installed larger hard disk), I'll try again. Thanks for helping this bonehead. Aug 22 12:27:22 2hmm.. 4 pages is too big Aug 22 12:32:37 hrw: yes Aug 22 12:34:09 I'm not too good in writing that kind of things ;) Aug 22 12:35:04 mreimer: Okay, I had expected you knew a lot more about OE, so I was kind of schocked ;) Aug 22 12:38:14 busybox 1.01 released nearly week ago... Aug 22 12:39:30 what is /usr in bb-ese? ${whatdir}? ;) Aug 22 12:39:42 prefix Aug 22 12:39:49 that simple? Aug 22 12:39:51 bleh :P Aug 22 12:39:56 which is more autoconf-ese than oe-use, we just follow suit Aug 22 12:40:02 erm, s/use/ese/ Aug 22 12:40:05 aah, es Aug 22 12:40:06 yes Aug 22 12:40:17 read bitbake.conf sometime :P Aug 22 12:40:43 ${bindir} Aug 22 12:42:10 that's /usr/bin by default, right? Aug 22 12:42:19 ah.. Aug 22 12:42:53 I'm trying to get libdvb to install properly, but it's got it's prefix messed up ;-) Aug 22 12:46:11 3 patches does not apply to busybox 1.01: dhcp-hostname.patch dhcpretrytime.patch gzip-spurious-const.patch Aug 22 12:55:23 someone can look into my busybox 1.01? I can push it as not default one.. Aug 22 12:55:49 Ok, is there any docu on oe_libinstall? Aug 22 12:56:01 Just trying to get a lib to stage properly Aug 22 12:56:11 apropros busybox, is this ok: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232 Aug 22 12:59:50 not me to say that Aug 22 13:00:24 NAiL: you can read the comments at the beginning of the oe_libinstall function in base.bbclass Aug 22 13:00:27 NAiL: thats probably all there is Aug 22 13:02:19 heh Aug 22 13:02:20 # oe_libinstall libltdl ${STAGING_LIBDIR}/ Aug 22 13:02:20 # oe_libinstall -C src/libblah libblah ${D}/${libdir}/ Aug 22 13:02:28 Ok, I guess that'll do :P Aug 22 13:04:03 hrw: where is your busybox 1.01 .bb? Aug 22 13:05:28 http://home.hrw.one.pl/oe/recipes/busybox/ Aug 22 13:07:20 hrw: 503 Aug 22 13:08:03 zecke_: :-) I've been spending too much time trying to get the h2200 kernel working properly to learn OE before now Aug 22 13:09:12 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247 Aug 22 13:09:12 NAiL: heh Aug 22 13:09:33 kergoth`: figured it out ;) Aug 22 13:11:13 mreimer: I hope to not have been too rude ;) Aug 22 13:11:25 zecke_: not at all :-) Aug 22 13:11:57 mickey_away, zecke_: ever look at openembedded/classes/ccache.inc? Aug 22 13:12:08 pH5: look into bug Aug 22 13:12:50 kergoth`: no Aug 22 13:13:03 do so, it might be worth using by default Aug 22 13:13:03 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r98e74cff... 10/packages/libdvb/libdvb_0.5.5.1.bb: Add libdvb package Aug 22 13:13:08 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r691f0a57... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add libdvb package to openslug feed Aug 22 13:13:30 kergoth`: will do, I'm currently sitting a SUSE in Nürnberg and we're hacking away Aug 22 13:13:45 NAiL: you can hook a DVB-T adapter to your SLUG? Aug 22 13:13:57 zecke_: nice Aug 22 13:14:46 zecke_: I don't know. rwhitby asked me to get libdvb ported to oe. It was in unslung. So I guess someone somehow managed to do something like that Aug 22 13:14:47 treke: get your palm you might be able to sync it with KDE Aug 22 13:15:10 zecke? Aug 22 13:15:16 sync what? Aug 22 13:15:17 treke: or a SyncML capable phone, or Opie ;) Aug 22 13:15:23 treke: your data Aug 22 13:15:27 zecke_: basically it overrides the ccache object directory to a path inside of TMPDIR when using the crosscompiler, since those objects are only likely to be useful with that crosscompiler that we built, and as a result wont push the objects out of the global system compiler cache, making that more effective for building the -native and -cross tools. Aug 22 13:15:32 my palm syncs fine with kde :p Aug 22 13:16:01 other than a handful of really minor things Aug 22 13:16:03 treke: KPilot works? ah I don't want to believe that Aug 22 13:16:17 kpilot works great Aug 22 13:16:48 only 2 issues Aug 22 13:16:55 1) handshaking doesnt work well Aug 22 13:17:05 and 2) the file installer is a pain Aug 22 13:17:46 it didnt get along with kolab though Aug 22 13:18:16 the imap resource really doesn't work half as well as people make it out to work :p Aug 22 13:18:42 * pH5 bitbake busybox_1.01.bb Aug 22 13:19:05 treke: anyway KitchenSync uses OpenSync now Aug 22 13:19:08 sweet Aug 22 13:19:21 I'm all for a better option ) Aug 22 13:19:23 :) Aug 22 13:22:53 qt-designer2 and changing tab order... argh Aug 22 13:23:35 faster will be in gvim... Aug 22 13:31:28 hrw: did you remove the gzip-spurious-const.patch from busybox completely? Aug 22 13:32:16 pH5: it is fixed in busybox 1.01 Aug 22 13:32:45 ok. i'll have to modify the .bb then, right? Aug 22 13:33:26 I forgot to add recipe? Aug 22 13:33:48 oops Aug 22 13:34:05 tar tjvf busybox-1.01.tar.bz2|grep bb|wc -l Aug 22 13:34:05 0 Aug 22 13:34:22 added recipe to bugraport Aug 22 13:52:51 * RP returns Aug 22 13:54:49 RP: re Aug 22 13:55:23 RP: want logread -f output from c760 running on battery with full brightness? Aug 22 13:56:14 hrw: Did the battery percentage decrease approximately lineraly? Aug 22 13:56:45 hard to tell as I dont trace it - started some time ago and it is working Aug 22 13:56:52 over 1h now Aug 22 13:57:14 Might as well see it through then :) Aug 22 13:57:31 tomorrow it will be ready I think (60% now) Aug 22 13:57:32 It'd be nice to see if the results are better than last time, especially given its the same device :) Aug 22 13:58:19 yes Aug 22 13:58:34 methodology also same - cat /dev/urandom >/dev/null Aug 22 13:59:00 excellent :) Aug 22 13:59:30 I've totally rewritten some of the charging code so seeing how it works with real world use will also be helpful... Aug 22 13:59:40 hrw: except that bug#232 bites me again, busybox 1.01 seems to work just fine. Aug 22 13:59:53 Finally binned most of the sharp global variables :) Aug 22 14:00:07 re mickeyl Aug 22 14:00:12 heya Aug 22 14:00:13 pH5: good to hear Aug 22 14:01:01 mickeyl: looks like opie got BT support finally Aug 22 14:01:26 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * rc456324f... 10/packages/elitaire/ (elitaire_0.0.4.bb files/fix-ewl-and-gettext.patch): Add elitaire, an EFL based card game playing program Aug 22 14:01:32 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r906c7889... 10/packages/ (nonworking/meta/e-image.bb meta/e-image.bb): Move e-image back out of nonworking (I did this a few days ago but it seems to have been reverted...) Aug 22 14:01:37 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r231e6c9d... 10/packages/meta/meta-e-x11.bb: Add elitaire to e-image Aug 22 14:04:01 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1ab8e377... 10/packages/hostap/hostap-modules-0.3.9/add_event.patch: hostap-modules-0.3.9: add forgotten event_patch Aug 22 14:08:17 mickeyl: I added that patch too iirc Aug 22 14:14:59 mickeyl, emte: BTW, raster comitted my menu autoscroll patch to e17 CVS. :-) Aug 22 14:15:25 nice Aug 22 14:15:29 JustinP: congrats! Aug 22 14:15:39 hrw: yep. our commits overlapped Aug 22 14:15:52 I have build gpe-image but now I would like to compile it again with a little different compiler options. Is it possible to force oe to rebuild everything except gcc and glibc? (I tried to use "bitbake -f gpe-image" and "bitbake gpe-image -c clean") Aug 22 14:16:02 | /home/kergoth/code/oe/build/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0/build-i486-linux/linuxthreads/libpthread_pic.a(pthread.os):(.data.rel+0x698): undefined reference to `_errno' Aug 22 14:16:02 | /home/kergoth/code/oe/build/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0/build-i486-linux/linuxthreads/libpthread_pic.a(pthread.os):(.data.rel+0x6a0): undefined reference to `_h_errno' Aug 22 14:16:02 | /home/kergoth/code/oe/build/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0/build-i486-linux/linuxthreads/libpthread_pic.a(pthread.os):(.data.rel+0x6a8): undefined reference to `_res' Aug 22 14:16:04 whee Aug 22 14:19:00 lamikr: you would need to remove and recompile the packages found in meta-gpe.bb Aug 22 14:19:30 kergoth_: you're compiling for a 486? Aug 22 14:19:40 yep Aug 22 14:20:07 mickeyl: By calling "bitbake -b package -c clean" for every package one by one? Aug 22 14:20:42 lamikr: better "bitbake -i" then "parse; clean one;clean two" etc Aug 22 14:21:21 Ok, I will try to check that. Aug 22 14:21:27 mickeyl: what I have to rebuild with tomorrow cvsdate to get new bt support in opie? Aug 22 14:21:35 hi Eric Aug 22 14:22:16 mickeyl: opie-bluezapplet, libopie, lib*obex*? Aug 22 14:22:58 lamikr: alternatively, you can do 'bitbake -c clean package1 package2 package3 package4 package5" or whatever Aug 22 14:23:27 hrw: don't bother, it's not complete yet and won't work. I'll ring when it is. hopefully somewhere this week Aug 22 14:23:33 mickeyl: ok Aug 22 14:23:58 this BT stuff will make our 14.5 MB images explode :/ Aug 22 14:24:01 no idea what to do about it Aug 22 14:24:27 not much left to throw away Aug 22 14:24:34 is there something? Aug 22 14:24:42 PIM apps :) Aug 22 14:24:44 opie-style(s) Aug 22 14:24:55 doesn't buy us much, too small Aug 22 14:25:01 opie-taskbar ;) Aug 22 14:26:25 ipv6.o is ~200K Aug 22 14:26:39 ipsec is 345K Aug 22 14:26:55 hmm Aug 22 14:27:40 kernel-module-registers, kernel-module-devinfo are useless Aug 22 14:27:50 26K only Aug 22 14:29:21 opie-networksettings-ppp is 440K Aug 22 14:29:41 opie-style-metal is 190K, liquid is 160K Aug 22 14:30:01 remove opie-multikeyapplet Aug 22 14:32:04 pppd is another 400K Aug 22 14:32:40 usr/libexec/ipsec is 1.1M Aug 22 14:33:45 huge Aug 22 14:33:46 so ipsec is 1.5M, ppp is 850K, two styles gives 350K - ~2.5M in total Aug 22 14:33:58 that'd work Aug 22 14:34:15 at least until we start to ship only altboot images# Aug 22 14:34:40 one day I have to check that altboot Aug 22 14:35:13 but on c7x0 other method is root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 given to kernel Aug 22 14:35:58 now.. which Zaurus distro will get Quake 3 Arena pacakged first... Aug 22 14:36:06 is altboot just a chroot/pivot_root deal? Aug 22 14:37:51 kergoth_: plus menu of choices afaik Aug 22 14:37:55 ah. Aug 22 14:38:19 has coredump or anyone played with unionfs lately? Aug 22 14:38:29 yep. it's a full blown user land boot manager which is supposed to get a framebuffer based interface soon Aug 22 14:38:32 * kergoth_ 's so out of the loop Aug 22 14:38:32 GUI, that is Aug 22 14:38:46 i upgraded unionfs but didn't really try Aug 22 14:39:11 last time i played with it, doing an ipkg install into a unionfs crashed the kernel Aug 22 14:39:13 which is always fun Aug 22 14:39:15 people still report too many oopses on the mailing list for me to motivate to try Aug 22 14:39:18 * kergoth_ nods Aug 22 14:39:26 kergoth_: loops are overrated use recursion Aug 22 14:39:33 hehe Aug 22 14:39:52 yeah, who needs all that free stack space anyway, lets fill 'er up! Aug 22 14:40:01 treke: you will be able to sync files from two directories (KIO) Aug 22 14:40:11 nice Aug 22 14:40:25 kergoth_: last time I checked, my Turing Machine did not have a stack Aug 22 14:40:32 hehe Aug 22 14:40:53 * kergoth_ recurses Aug 22 14:40:55 treke: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/opensync-integration/ Aug 22 14:42:01 hi zecke_ Aug 22 14:42:04 zecke, how does this get along with the resources stuff? Aug 22 14:43:26 damnit, glibc still wont compile Aug 22 14:43:27 grr Aug 22 14:45:22 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14427 is nice thread to read Aug 22 14:47:39 treke: I will find out Aug 22 14:47:57 treke: I'm creating KDE OpenSync plugins Aug 22 14:48:06 cool Aug 22 14:50:44 getting a weird error Aug 22 14:51:36 treke: I need to find out how well kde works when ran in a thread :} Aug 22 14:51:40 heh, read the thread. i cant read anything about pdaxrom without being overwhelmed by a desire to beat sash over the head with a 'cooperate with the community' cluebat repeatedly. just cant help it Aug 22 14:51:43 :P Aug 22 14:51:50 zecke :p Aug 22 14:52:43 kergoth_: cooperate == get donations? Aug 22 14:54:04 zecke_: well, he wants money so he can spend all this time on the project rather than getting employed. however, if he actually worked with us or others in the community, he wouldn't _need_ to spend as much time on the project himself, he could get employed, and the project would retain its momentum even so. Aug 22 14:54:23 of course then he'd have to go get a normal job Aug 22 14:54:24 heh Aug 22 14:54:26 yep Aug 22 14:54:36 I can't say that I blame him Aug 22 14:54:40 hehe Aug 22 14:54:42 assuming he likes doing what he does now Aug 22 14:55:42 This is the error I get: http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=4721 Aug 22 14:56:36 This is the error I get: http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=4721 Aug 22 14:57:15 sounds like you should read the complete log file and look what dependencies for task-bootstrap are missing Aug 22 14:57:20 grep for ERROR Aug 22 15:01:20 ~hail drw for fixing OTabWidget Aug 22 15:01:21 * ibot bows down to drw for fixing OTabWidget and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Aug 22 15:01:52 hrw: so it's working fine for you now? Aug 22 15:02:07 drw: yes Aug 22 15:02:12 cool Aug 22 15:02:14 hrw Aug 22 15:02:30 hrw: btw...thanks for updating sword earlier Aug 22 15:02:37 drw: np Aug 22 15:03:05 drw: next time add recipe or patch into bugtracker - finding 1.5.8 archive took me some time Aug 22 15:04:06 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224, I used the URL field for the file Aug 22 15:04:31 ops.. didnt looked there... sorry Aug 22 15:05:32 marked bug as FIXED Aug 22 15:05:50 hrw: thanks Aug 22 15:07:41 np Aug 22 15:18:14 koen: hi Aug 22 15:22:55 ok. time to go sleep - cu all Aug 22 15:23:05 Good night Aug 22 15:23:06 nite hrw Aug 22 15:52:35 'night all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 16:04:04 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 16:14:11 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 16:16:15 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 16:18:12 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 16:21:18 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 16:24:10 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 17:12:46 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 17:16:10 2005 Aug 22 17:59:42 anyone here having probs with oe & bitbake compiling ipkg-utils?? Aug 22 18:09:39 does any1 know how to configure XF86 or Xorg for use on a 240x320 lcd pda display? i'm using debian-arm rather than OE, but I think the setting may translate just the same Aug 22 18:13:01 hey slisk i may be able to help out i think Aug 22 18:15:40 hey slisk check out your priv msg the info u need is there Aug 22 19:18:52 ZonE-HaKin9: there have been problems in the past. try posting the actual problem Aug 22 19:19:16 slisk: sorry, this isn't the right place to ask at all. This is for help with the OE system. OZ would be a better place to ask. Aug 22 19:19:51 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r36dd446b... 10/packages/gpe-appmgr/gpe-appmgr_2.8.bb: Adding missing xsettings-client dependency Aug 22 19:42:18 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r11f27295... 10/conf/distro/openslug-packages.conf: Add libgsm (needed for obexftp) and intltool (needed for libgsm). Move qc-usb-messenger Aug 22 19:42:22 03nail 07org.oe.dev * rb8ca4f00... 10/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Move qc-usb Aug 22 21:17:21 03nail 07org.oe.dev * rb3115ffe... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Remove qc-usb-messenger from feed **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 22:39:16 2005 Aug 22 23:29:07 hi all! Aug 22 23:47:08 hi Aug 22 23:47:25 RP: http://hrw.one.pl/tmp/battery.log.txt is a log from 100% (on AC) to 5% (Zaurus died) Aug 23 00:31:31 i am facing a small problem with regards to gpe-nmf: when i try to select a playlist. In the Select file window. The Box which displays the directory subtree and the scroll bar both have become so small. that they dont use it. how do i resolve this problem. Aug 23 00:41:09 anyone able to help with ipkg-utils compile error http://pastebin.ca/20847 failed at make -e MAKEFLAGS= ipkg-compare-versions'. Stop Aug 23 00:47:26 re Aug 23 00:47:42  Aug 23 00:52:03 morning Aug 23 00:52:17 Mornning ;) Aug 23 00:59:00 morning all Aug 23 01:00:11 hi RP Aug 23 01:04:44 hey Aug 23 01:05:22 in the "select file" widget: i get 3 buttons New Folder, Delete FIle and Rename File: how do i remove them. The problem is other components become very small and we can use them. Aug 23 01:05:40 hi zecke__ Aug 23 01:14:29 re Aug 23 01:14:45 yo hrw|work Aug 23 01:14:59 maybe this time I will be not disconnected Aug 23 01:19:32 fsck Aug 23 01:19:49 * XorA gets the epoxy ready for hre Aug 23 01:23:40 hey hrw|work netowrk bad at work? Aug 23 01:24:56 XorA: long-range wireless + rain == problems Aug 23 01:25:23 hrw|work: you need an irc bounce Aug 23 01:25:48 XorA: I need stone.pl working fully again.... Aug 23 01:26:15 my router has too low storage space to irc from it Aug 23 02:32:56 re Aug 23 02:34:05 hr hrw|work Aug 23 02:35:52 hi XorA Aug 23 02:41:17 XorA: how your / on sd works? Aug 23 02:43:21 hrw|work: do you mean how well, or how technically? Aug 23 02:43:34 how well Aug 23 02:43:52 hrw|work: the card I have in is faster than internal flash so it is working very well Aug 23 02:44:00 hrw|work: survives suspend with no problems Aug 23 02:44:10 hrw|work: and makes installing software a breeze Aug 23 02:44:40 nice Aug 23 02:45:34 hrw|work: my plan is to buy a fast 2G card and forget internal flash Aug 23 02:45:48 hrw|work: and as added bonus you can put SD card in desktop and edit mistakes Aug 23 02:48:02 XorA: we had a dvd burner hooked up to a C3100 via the usb port and wow it could read cd's... is it possable to burn using the Z? Aug 23 02:48:21 ~change 668 pln to eur Aug 23 02:48:26 668.00 Zloty (PLN) makes 165.982 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Aug 23 02:48:34 ZonE-HaKin9: make a bb of cdrecord+dvdrw and play Aug 23 02:48:48 XorA: how much for 2G card? Aug 23 02:49:33 hrw|work: ~change 60 GBP to EUR Aug 23 02:49:39 ~change 60 GBP to EUR Aug 23 02:49:44 60.00 Pound (GBP) makes 88.1151 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Aug 23 02:49:55 ~lart me for over hitting tab Aug 23 02:49:56 * ibot calls xora on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for over hitting tab Aug 23 02:50:07 ~change 60 gbp to pln Aug 23 02:50:11 60.00 Pound (GBP) makes 354.617 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Aug 23 02:50:18 XorA: fscking cheap Aug 23 02:50:20 XorA: where can i read more about the .bb files? Aug 23 02:50:35 hrw|work: actually make that 73 GBP Aug 23 02:50:37 ZonE-HaKin9: in OE metadata repository Aug 23 02:50:42 ~change 75 gbp to pln Aug 23 02:50:46 75.00 Pound (GBP) makes 443.217 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Aug 23 02:52:36 hrw|work: sorry to ask but where bout's would i find that? Aug 23 02:52:58 ZonE-HaKin9: go into http://www.openembedded.org/ and start from 'Getting Started' Aug 23 02:53:22 sweet foundd it thanx Aug 23 02:55:31 could anyone paste a sample one to pastebin.ca pls? Aug 23 02:56:19 ZonE-HaKin9: http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/getfile.py?id=3007c2914819c614fe5d1f80cf4c0c95a70aae60&path=packages/bind/bind_9.3.1.bb Aug 23 02:56:45 there are 2600 samples in the repository :-) Aug 23 02:57:01 so in the cache dir? Aug 23 02:57:19 cause they look funny in vi? Aug 23 02:58:02 or am i in the wrong dir? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 02:59:56 2005