**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 28 02:59:56 2005 Aug 28 04:10:31 nick sirfred Aug 28 04:10:43 Morning. Aug 28 04:11:16 It seems that monotone.vanille.de is down. Aug 28 04:12:16 you can use the backup server: ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl or nslu2-linux.org Aug 28 04:12:53 koen|slug: thanks. Aug 28 04:14:26 morning sirfred Aug 28 04:15:59 RP: Finally ... Aug 28 04:16:10 RP: But monotone: misuse: merge of 'packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb' :'97077473ad83909b37da274ea3594f0ffc283d80' -> '2c972d1560fb011c7bfd426fbcdb9a9f7d955421' vs '08629ac68f8c8cdb76947a9b7024b1655d90a938' failed Aug 28 04:16:51 What to do now ? Aug 28 04:17:07 uv1: Did you have local changes to that file? Aug 28 04:17:36 RP: No, I assume the file was not there before, as my system did always use rc3. Aug 28 04:18:25 did you try monotone merge? Aug 28 04:18:39 RP: Not yet, what does that ? Aug 28 04:19:20 RP: monotone: misuse: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is merged Aug 28 04:19:56 Was it the update that failed? Aug 28 04:20:19 I'd be tempted to try a fresh checkout of the tree if you don't have any local changes you need... Aug 28 04:20:31 I'm no monotone expert Aug 28 04:20:50 RP: Just did monotone pull (from utwente) and monotone update after. Aug 28 04:23:30 uv1: Like I said, I'm not sure what's wrong - I'd checkout a new working copy Aug 28 04:23:48 The pull is the time consuming bit so it should be quite fast... Aug 28 04:25:35 RP: how's the borzoi doing? Aug 28 04:25:40 RP: Checking out ... Aug 28 04:27:51 koen|slug: No idea. I need someone to try it. It should work if I have the detection correct Aug 28 04:28:04 Same for Akita - should work Aug 28 04:29:08 so all pxa270 clamshell run on a single kernel now? Aug 28 04:29:22 koen|slug: naturally ;-) Aug 28 04:29:48 koen|slug: and hx2750 with the right defconfig Aug 28 04:29:59 nice Aug 28 04:30:21 * koen|slug hopes the pxa255 vs pxa270 kernelbug will be fixed soon Aug 28 04:30:55 koen|slug: There is one blocking issue and the core kernel devs are blocking it Aug 28 04:31:22 koen|slug: pxa25x and 27x use different timer frequencies. You can only set this at compile time :-( Aug 28 04:35:36 Hmmm. The serial bug I was trying to find was a dodgy connection in the nest of tangled cables surrounding my desk :-/ Aug 28 05:05:21 http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/altboot.shtml -> Wow, that rules! Aug 28 05:05:45 Can I dual-boot OZ and original Sharp ROM with altboot? Aug 28 05:06:04 I still need the original Sharp ROM although I hate it. Aug 28 05:06:38 It would not matter whether to me whether OZ or Sharp resides on the removable medium. Aug 28 05:26:16 Building opie-image : 'dejavu-ttf-20050820 : HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found' : Using 0822 instead. Can anyone correct that ? Aug 28 05:35:58 Laibsch: It should be possible in theory although I'm not sure anyone's tried it Aug 28 05:38:30 RP: Thanks. I guess anyone who has access to OZ would never want to go back to Sharp. I do because I want to use the Japanese Input Methods from Sharp. Aug 28 05:39:01 RP: Can I use altboot with Sharp ROM being installed to the internal Flash? Aug 28 05:39:48 Laibsch: The Sharp ROM is much more likely to work well on the flash Aug 28 05:41:44 For installation it says I should just install the ipk. I can't locate the ipk, where is it? Aug 28 06:16:03 <[cc]smart> hi, do we have a prepared variable for build architecture , aka equivalent to ${TARGET_ARCH} Aug 28 06:16:35 iirc HOST_ARCH Aug 28 06:16:38 but I'm not sure Aug 28 06:18:22 where the preferred places to list and include in the final image kernel modules ? Aug 28 06:48:37 [cc]smart: the aptly-named ${BUILD_ARCH} is probably what you need. Aug 28 06:52:13 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf6815eab... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Add an inital attempt at support for akita and borzoi Aug 28 06:52:17 03peteru 07org.oe.dev * rf2d53d0f... 10/packages/puppy/puppy_1.11.bb: Latest puppy release - provides workarounds for Topfield USB implementation bugs and changes the way turbo transfers are enabled. Aug 28 06:53:07 ~ibot borzoy Aug 28 06:53:30 ~borzoi Aug 28 06:53:35 somebody said borzoi was the Sharp SL-C3100, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/borzoi.htm ) Aug 28 06:53:53 <[cc]smart> yes, it's good to give variables sensible names, so you easily understand what they stand for when you see them Aug 28 06:59:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r70b14aa2... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: preferred-versions-gpe-2.7.inc: xst 0.14 -> 0.15 Aug 28 07:03:53 mhh as dog i prefear akita ... as machine borzoi :) :) :) Aug 28 07:04:04 !ibot akita Aug 28 07:04:05 gremlin[it]: ?? Aug 28 07:04:11 ~ibot akita Aug 28 07:04:12 i heard akita is the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog Aug 28 07:09:48 morning Aug 28 07:10:35 mickeyl: good morning Aug 28 07:11:27 hiii mickeyl Aug 28 07:12:39 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r035abba6... 10/packages/efl/ (5 files in 2 dirs): efl: add feature-reduced set of esmart that builds without X and split esmart into -fb and -x11 variants Aug 28 07:12:44 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r19a6592a... 10/packages/e17/ (6 files): e17: catch up with esmart changes Aug 28 07:16:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * re98e2ade... 10/packages/opie-taskbar/ (opie-taskbar.inc opie-taskbar_cvs.bb): opie-taskbar: add borzoi setting for background and welcome pixmaps Aug 28 07:20:31 hi mickeyl Aug 28 07:21:25 hi Aug 28 07:22:03 mickeyl: I did some experimenting with the backlights and their linearity - I think spitz is a lot more linear than c7x0 :-/ Aug 28 07:26:36 i see. I'll get you the values for c7x0 asap Aug 28 07:26:43 ok, back to my battery thing Aug 28 07:26:50 unplugging the AC suspends Aug 28 07:26:51 it's not opie Aug 28 07:26:53 it's the kernel Aug 28 07:27:02 verified with runlevel = 3 Aug 28 07:27:33 i'll get you the dmesg now Aug 28 07:27:49 mickeyl: Ok, thanks. I can't do much without knowing why its doing that... Aug 28 07:28:47 mickeyl: Experimentaion here suggests jumping from 10 to 32 might be best. I don't have a working opie image to test nicely on though Aug 28 07:29:07 I'm not sure spitz needs this which is going to complicate what was a nice simple driver... Aug 28 07:30:16 http://vanille.de/temp/RP/battery.txt Aug 28 07:30:45 the fun starts @ Charge LED On - which is the place when I inserted the AC Aug 28 07:30:56 then I unplugged and you see "AC Error" and the suspend following Aug 28 07:31:04 The key line is "AC Error!" Aug 28 07:32:27 If the jkvad check fails, it currently does an emergency suspend Aug 28 07:35:24 mickeyl: I can see how it could do this but the timing is quite difficult to achieve :) Aug 28 07:35:47 challenges :) Aug 28 07:36:47 The problem is changes to the AC voltage also trigger the Charge Full interrupt. Its knowing which one is means that's the problem... Aug 28 07:36:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd1b5c87d... 10/packages/gtk+/ (15 files in 2 dirs): GTK+ 2.8.2: Add it Aug 28 07:38:00 mickeyl: With this info, I should be able to work out a fix. I'll also remove that Critical suspend as I don't see why we need an emergency shutdown if the AC voltage is out of tollerance (just need to shut down the charger) Aug 28 07:38:17 (its only in there from the Sharp code) Aug 28 07:38:18 right Aug 28 07:38:33 ok, cool. I'm currently gathering your backlight values Aug 28 07:38:54 mickeyl: Do you have opie running on 2.6 spitz? Aug 28 07:39:02 not atm. Aug 28 07:39:33 mickeyl: I have found the touchscreen on spitz won't calibrate with the gpe calibration program btw. I suspect this could be the same problem as opie... Aug 28 07:39:49 tslib's calibrate program is fine... Aug 28 07:42:30 hi ! Aug 28 07:43:38 RP: ok, here we are Aug 28 07:43:45 linear until 16 Aug 28 07:44:07 then it should continue at 33 Aug 28 07:44:18 and it would be great if you would manage to eliminate the display flash Aug 28 07:44:23 which occurs when you go from 16 to 33 Aug 28 07:44:26 and back Aug 28 07:44:51 (c7x0) Aug 28 07:44:57 mickeyl: That's hardware I'm afraid - two different pwm modes and not a lot I can do about it... Aug 28 07:45:06 bummer Aug 28 07:45:19 can't you perhaps change the order in which you poke the bits into the low level registers? Aug 28 07:45:51 I could but I'm 99% certain it will make no difference Aug 28 07:46:04 hmm. it should be slightly better when you first set the 5 bits to 1 Aug 28 07:46:10 and later on set the high bit Aug 28 07:46:23 worth a try :) Aug 28 07:46:38 Why would it be slightly better? Aug 28 07:46:58 i think because of the difference Aug 28 07:47:19 16 to 0 to perceived 17 Aug 28 07:47:23 seems less disturbing than Aug 28 07:47:30 16 to 30 to perceived 17 Aug 28 07:47:41 *shrug* Aug 28 07:47:45 just a feeling Aug 28 07:47:58 poking the bits should be fast enough that the hardware doesn't flash Aug 28 07:48:59 03peteru 07org.oe.dev * rb415ab8f... 10/packages/puppy/ (puppy_1.11.bb puppy_1.8.bb puppy_1.9.bb): Correct a typo in HOMEPAGE. Aug 28 07:49:27 mickeyl: If you think about it, if it was going to make a difference, it should only flash when moving in one direction... Aug 28 07:50:17 Poking the bits is fast. I suspect we have something like a capacitor charging/discharging causing the problems Aug 28 07:51:15 RP: the LCD has a little delay itself. so when you set it to a smaller brightness for a tiny moment, it should be less visible, than setting it to a high brightness Aug 28 07:55:09 hm, it seems we are experiencing a large influx of "annoyance bots" sending global notices. Aug 28 07:55:14 if only there was a way to avoid those. Aug 28 07:56:30 pb_: I thought that as well :) Aug 28 07:57:49 mickeyl: The way the backlight would appear to work is that the CONT gpio pin changes the current limiting resitors attached to the backlight LEDs. This will destablise the backlight driver chip which will take time to recover Aug 28 07:59:01 hmm Aug 28 07:59:10 ok, then let me find the best compromise Aug 28 07:59:28 if we leave some more values out we can nearly eliminate the flash Aug 28 07:59:37 yeppa Aug 28 07:59:42 we can go from 16 to 35 Aug 28 07:59:47 i can't see any flash then Aug 28 08:00:44 i just want to have a nice semi linear appearance for the soft dim Aug 28 08:00:53 flashes would disturb that appearance Aug 28 08:00:55 heh Aug 28 08:01:04 It would :) Aug 28 08:03:30 I can see a flash some of the time here... Aug 28 08:05:41 it's best visible on a black console with some white characters Aug 28 08:06:23 I mean going from 16 to 35 on corgi :-/ Aug 28 08:06:31 ah Aug 28 08:06:33 hmm Aug 28 08:06:42 bummer, but we can't leave out more values Aug 28 08:06:48 it would be too much of a step Aug 28 08:06:57 Its time related - I suspect it depends whether you're lucky on the hsync timing Aug 28 08:07:09 ah yes, that's possible Aug 28 08:10:22 Okay meeting closed we were with 2 people :( the rest didn't show up it seems the weather was too good Aug 28 08:10:43 D'oh Aug 28 08:12:31 mhhh setserial don't work on ipaq !??! Aug 28 08:13:06 gremlin[it]: check if the /dev entry is actually there. Aug 28 08:14:13 yes yes ... but doing setserial -a /dev/ttySA[01] report speed at 230k .. and UART: undefined :( Aug 28 08:15:18 and if i try to change the baurdare with 'setserial /dev/ttySA1 baud_base 115200' i got Cannot set serial info: Invalid argument Aug 28 08:29:21 i'm dump . i need stty not setserial :) ... *I'm tired* ... Aug 28 08:53:14 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r2f7e47fd... 10/packages/gtk-engines/gtk-engines_2.6.5.bb: gtk-engines: add .bb for new release 2.6.5 Aug 28 09:00:34 mickeyl: I've tried a few things but I can't get rid of that flash :-( Aug 28 09:01:16 I even tried messing with hsync but its no good. We really need vsync. There may be a vsync pin on there but we don't know which gpio it is... Aug 28 09:02:43 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r1b733b02... 10/packages/gtk+/ (gtk+-2.8.2/pkg-config-pangoft2.patch gtk+_2.8.2.bb): gtk+: drop the build fix from bug #267, it's not needed in anymore gtk+-2.8.2 Aug 28 09:18:46 mickeyl: Even waiting for a vsync doesn't work - its a hardware issue - I'll bet the problem is the switchover (handled by two fets) can put both sets of backlight resistors on at once giving the large pulse of light you see... Aug 28 09:21:27 That makes no sense thinking about it. I don't know... Aug 28 09:31:19 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * rde44e1f4... 10/classes/pkgconfig.bbclass: pkgconfig.bbclass: don't install *-uninstalled.pc files into the staging area Aug 28 09:31:28 RP: hmm Aug 28 09:32:03 RP: too bad, guess we'll have to live with it then. can you confirm that moving from 16->33 is more likely to flash than moving from 16->35 or was that my imagination (or pure luck) ? Aug 28 09:34:57 mickeyl: As far as I can see it makes no difference Aug 28 09:35:16 It sometimes flashes, sometimes doesn't... Aug 28 09:36:59 mickeyl: I'll check in the new code (and a charger fix) and you can see what you think Aug 28 09:39:01 ok Aug 28 09:39:08 oh btw. Aug 28 09:39:30 did you already enable pcnet_cs, irda,and bluetooth in the spitz-defconfig? Aug 28 09:40:16 mickeyl: No, I'm trying to keep the number of modules low to speed compiling. I'll enable them for you though ;-) Aug 28 09:40:30 thanks Aug 28 09:54:24 * chouimat|malaga is away: F00d Aug 28 10:05:38 Evening all Aug 28 10:07:03 I just built an e-image-core, which turned out at ~37MB, which is a bit too big for my C750 Aug 28 10:08:54 I note that there are 3 huge files in the image: in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/fonts: kochi-gothic.ttf @ 7770652 bytes, dotum.ttf @ 3066060 bytes and fireflysung.ttf @ 15443432 bytes ! Aug 28 10:10:21 Just wondering if there are any ideas about whether these are requirements? Aug 28 10:11:08 7 meg for a font? Aug 28 10:11:29 That's what 'du' told me Aug 28 10:11:36 wow Aug 28 10:12:27 http://pastebin.ca/21390 for the output Aug 28 10:14:37 du of the whole rootfs: http://pastebin.ca/21391, that's the only big bit in there as far as I can see Aug 28 10:20:28 mickeyl: updates are in Aug 28 10:20:35 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * re3020c1a... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Make c7x0 backlight more linear. Fix c7x0 charging problem reported by mickeyl. Update defconfigs for c7x0 and spitz Aug 28 10:22:57 k Aug 28 10:23:08 lardman: i guess they're needed for some of the themes Aug 28 10:23:18 lardman: we need lighter themes anyway Aug 28 10:23:38 mickeyl: yep, just thought I'd point it out Aug 28 10:25:22 Which reminds me, I did a 'pull and update' and monotone complains about multiple update candidates from koen and peretu Aug 28 10:25:44 s/peretu/peteru Aug 28 10:25:47 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r4557d751... 10/packages/libnss-mdns/libnss-mdns_0.6.bb: libnss-mdns: add a .bb file for libnss-mdns, see bug #268 Aug 28 10:25:51 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * rd9ac6118... 10/packages/zeroconf/ (4 files in 2 dirs): zeroconf: add a .bb for the zeroconf package, see bug #268 Aug 28 10:25:55 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r43a93549... 10/packages/avahi/ (7 files in 2 dirs): avahi: add a .bb for the avahi packages, see bug #268 Aug 28 10:26:01 lardman: pull again :) Aug 28 10:26:13 ah, ok :) Aug 28 10:30:24 stumps in the cricket, England win, off to the pub, have a nice evening everyone Aug 28 10:33:09 * chouimat|malaga is back. Aug 28 12:11:05 Is it safe to modify the updater.sh script under packages/zaurus-updater/poodle to reboot instead of displaying "Please reset" at the end? Aug 28 12:15:53 <[cc]smart> are OE BUGS #110 and #111 of any meaning that they should be kept as open ? Aug 28 12:36:22 mattcamp: topic 3rd item Aug 28 12:37:05 [cc]smart: not that I know off Aug 28 12:37:17 [cc]smart: I think zecke forgot to close them Aug 28 12:45:12 <[cc]smart> will ask him next time i see him Aug 28 12:46:35 hi kergoth :) Aug 28 13:05:09 <[cc]smart> openzaurus devs in ? Aug 28 13:07:30 <[cc]smart> any zaurus dev: i think OE bug #41 is valid and i would go and disable all io schedulers but noop and deadline. lemme know if you give this a "go". Aug 28 13:09:30 i'm not in the position to decide but i suppose noop is good for flash ... Aug 28 13:09:54 <[cc]smart> at least, AS is not needed... aka minimal seek times Aug 28 13:10:41 and usually on pda there is only one application doing i/o ;) Aug 28 13:10:49 oen at time ... Aug 28 13:10:52 <[cc]smart> sic Aug 28 13:11:13 [cc]smart: assign the bug to the MAINTAINER of the kernel .bb Aug 28 13:11:27 who is ?! Aug 28 13:11:37 <[cc]smart> er, thought i would go and help out. so assign it to me. Aug 28 13:12:02 mickeyl and RP are very picky on kernel stuff Aug 28 13:12:04 <[cc]smart> point is i need to know if this is allright for them to do. Aug 28 13:12:59 <[cc]smart> just not picky on bug#41 .) Aug 28 13:15:16 <[cc]smart> then lemme repeat my Q specific to them... Aug 28 13:15:43 <[cc]smart> RP , mickeyl : i think OE bug #41 is valid and i would go and disable all io schedulers but noop and deadline. lemme know if you give this a "go". Aug 28 13:17:33 <[cc]smart> but for now, i'll take a nap Aug 28 13:17:35 <[cc]smart> nite Aug 28 13:28:45 koen|slug: Picky in what way? :) Aug 28 13:30:02 :) Aug 28 13:30:23 RP: If I send you faser hamsters, will you enable more modules? Aug 28 13:30:53 koen|slug: Are there any more modules that need enabling - I thought I'd done that now? Aug 28 13:31:02 no idea Aug 28 13:31:27 koen|slug: Faster Hamsters are always welcome though... Aug 28 13:32:48 [cc]smart: I haven't acted on that bug as it should be something controllable from oe and I don't have the knowledge to know which io scheduler is best for our uses... Aug 28 13:35:37 Good night. Aug 28 14:57:02 ~hail zecke Aug 28 14:57:05 * ibot bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Aug 28 14:57:14 hey Aug 28 14:57:19 /me is so fucking busy Aug 28 14:57:24 one more day Aug 28 14:57:34 6 days in a row chinese/thai food... Aug 28 14:57:53 hehe Aug 28 14:58:55 koen|slug: I finally have an ibook Aug 28 14:58:57 Zecke: and you are still alive :) Aug 28 14:59:14 zecke: cheers Aug 28 14:59:19 Zecke: you must feel in ying and yang Aug 28 14:59:20 gerwinin: somehow yes, we prepare stuff for www.ifa-berlin.de Aug 28 14:59:49 #24 and #200 ;) Aug 28 15:00:11 Zecke: What are you going to show ? Aug 28 15:00:16 koen|slug: GNOME Panel Add Dialog... looks some how like the Mac OS X panel Aug 28 15:00:21 gerwinin DVB-H solutions Aug 28 15:00:31 zecke: even better: Aug 28 15:00:34 is that making ibot not report anything? Aug 28 15:00:42 kde applet add looks like the gnome one Aug 28 15:00:43 koen|slug: that is theft?! Aug 28 15:00:46 Zecke: Like set top boxes and stuff ? Aug 28 15:01:04 gerwinin: no Opie on a Siemens Concept device Aug 28 15:01:14 gerwinin: with DVB-H integrated Aug 28 15:02:02 /me crosses the fingers that at least Qtopia is used in a product... Aug 28 15:02:40 Zecke: I saw some cool devices when I was in asia Aug 28 15:03:31 gerwinin: I've seen some awesome devices as well, I do know too less of marketing but I wonder what will happen to them Aug 28 15:04:01 gerwinin: Manufacteurers have Symbian, PocketPC, Palm as options Aug 28 15:04:09 hail zecke Aug 28 15:04:23 pb_: will receiva do DVB-H as well? ;) Aug 28 15:04:37 evening Aug 28 15:04:45 mickeyl: hey Aug 28 15:04:46 Zecke: Mostly they are sold in Asia Aug 28 15:04:55 Zecke : they get all the cool stuff Aug 28 15:05:07 zecke: yeah, but probably not until it is deployed outside of Berlin Aug 28 15:05:10 mickeyl: I've missed the reasoning why vanille is not serving all branches anymore Aug 28 15:05:16 pb_: hehe Aug 28 15:05:26 zecke: because nslu2-linux will be no longer active Aug 28 15:05:26 Zecke: Have a look at hitachi Aug 28 15:05:26 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r40a24914... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc5-mm1/ (defconfig-c7x0 defconfig-poodle): build ppp as modules - it looks like this has been accidantly reverted for the c7x0 defconfig Aug 28 15:05:37 mickeyl: what happened? Aug 28 15:06:02 zecke: we've seen that a dedicated branch is no longer necessary Aug 28 15:06:08 mickeyl: *puh* Aug 28 15:06:14 zecke: so they now work on .dev as well Aug 28 15:06:49 zecke: Philips has a lot of linux devices as well Aug 28 15:06:51 pb_: It looks like we will have DVB-H even after IFA Aug 28 15:07:21 cool Aug 28 15:07:27 Zecke: Are you there for a company or for the opie project ? Aug 28 15:08:23 gerwinin: neither, I will hopefully get a free ticket and look at it Aug 28 15:09:06 pb_: If you ever need DVB knowledge ( www.contcast.de ) can offer it ;) Aug 28 15:09:41 lol gnome-panel goes amock... Aug 28 15:10:17 zecke: I actually used gnome yesterday Aug 28 15:10:32 after 10 minutes I got annoyed and switched back to OSX Aug 28 15:11:06 mpfr is down Aug 28 15:11:10 although my main annoyance was the crappy ati drivers for Xorg messing up the screen Aug 28 15:11:36 koen|slug: metacity crashes when gaim shows the login dialog ;) Aug 28 15:11:50 metacity stinks Aug 28 15:11:57 use e16 instead :) Aug 28 15:11:59 Zecke: I am busy with creating an epia distribution for opie and gpe so that a lot more people are able to use opie/gpe and openembedded Aug 28 15:12:44 gerwinin: good, I hope to have more time after tuesday (at least one more month until uni starts again) Aug 28 15:12:58 a month?!?! Aug 28 15:13:07 koen|slug: October ;) Aug 28 15:13:08 lazy germans Aug 28 15:13:24 koen|slug: 10t or 14th uni is starting again Aug 28 15:13:45 next week over here Aug 28 15:13:47 zecke: It would be cool , I have the feeling that if we can make some kind of board packages for epia that can attrac a lot more developers Aug 28 15:13:54 * koen|slug should print some schedules soon Aug 28 15:14:13 * zecke should mail his teachers, and ask for dates to take the tests... Aug 28 15:14:22 Zecke: Not that many people have a zaurus or d-link router Aug 28 15:14:24 being disabled and lazy is not a good match... Aug 28 15:16:03 zecke: Freetech send me some hardware and some other people did as well we need to distribute this again Aug 28 15:17:47 koen|slug: I want something like MacOS X on my PDA Aug 28 15:17:54 koen|slug: lean, mean, sexy Aug 28 15:18:02 zecke: e17 :) Aug 28 15:18:14 koen|slug: well not quite Aug 28 15:18:15 gerwinin: which freetech? Aug 28 15:18:18 .com.tw? Aug 28 15:18:23 Let me check Aug 28 15:18:41 zecke: when you can breathe again, have a look at edje Aug 28 15:18:46 zeckeOS: drains the bloat Aug 28 15:19:03 imo edje is the most interesting invention of all EFL Aug 28 15:19:14 Koen: freetech.com Aug 28 15:19:40 * koen|slug waits for the flash thingy to end Aug 28 15:19:45 mickeyl: what was edje? scripting stuff? Aug 28 15:20:07 mickeyl: Monday Evening is IFA deadline, Tuesday my driving license test... Aug 28 15:20:15 zecke: yes, but it's more than that Aug 28 15:20:27 zecke: you'll embrace September :) Aug 28 15:20:49 mickeyl: it looked like C ;) Aug 28 15:21:04 zecke: theory or practice? or both? Aug 28 15:21:07 mickeyl: First I want dtrace for (ARM) Linux Aug 28 15:21:17 mickeyl: in my five minutes examination ;) Aug 28 15:21:22 And some kind of mp4 player is also on its way Aug 28 15:21:23 mickeyl: I did ~5 month ago Aug 28 15:21:28 can't we reactivate Harlekin? Opie-Bluetooth would need some more love Aug 28 15:21:47 then again... looking at his code... maybe better not ;)) Aug 28 15:21:51 mickeyl: I guess BMW keeps him busy Aug 28 15:22:05 ya Aug 28 15:22:25 * gerwinin thinks about setting up some kind of page on the wiki regarding hardware donation Aug 28 15:22:25 mickeyl: Harlekin is the true CS student, good at organizing, poking at people, having the big picture... Aug 28 15:22:40 zecke: true Aug 28 15:22:43 mickeyl: good at PR Aug 28 15:23:02 mickeyl: I'm all for reactivating... ;) Aug 28 15:23:13 ya, opie's getting a bit dusty Aug 28 15:23:33 then again, it doesn't matter. i would just like to close the construction sites and then leave it Aug 28 15:24:00 mickeyl: on to Fluff/*PI-Ce* Aug 28 15:24:04 yeppa Aug 28 15:24:26 mickeyl: sadly GPE is not what I want on my PDA Aug 28 15:25:23 zecke: ! Aug 28 15:25:55 hehe Aug 28 15:25:57 heresy Aug 28 15:27:17 florian: a bunch of applications, looking and feeling differently and sharing the same DISPLAY ;) Aug 28 15:28:57 $DISPLAY Aug 28 15:29:17 mickeyl: can you also put merge into oe-commits? Aug 28 15:29:23 mergers* Aug 28 15:29:28 aargh Aug 28 15:29:31 merges* Aug 28 15:29:34 koen|slug: i could - i explicitly disabled them Aug 28 15:29:40 do we want them again? Aug 28 15:29:48 monotone is just too creepy Aug 28 15:29:57 especially with merges involving meld Aug 28 15:30:34 zecke: well... if applications all feel the same because of the bugs they suffer from you found Opie ;-) Aug 28 15:30:48 zecke: feel free to file some bugreports. Aug 28 15:31:35 koen|slug: oh right.. that reminds me that i should my machines at kc to be prepared to start work tomorrow ;-) Aug 28 15:46:14 RP: the new kernel doesn't fix battery readings Aug 28 15:46:19 Battery Voltage: 188 Aug 28 15:46:24 Status: 0 Aug 28 15:46:29 Percentage: 0 Aug 28 15:50:32 mickeyl: but it does fix the AC problem? Aug 28 15:51:00 'nnight all Aug 28 15:53:56 RP: excuse me I'm too tired to flash correct kernels at this time Aug 28 15:53:58 g'night Aug 28 15:54:12 'night mickeyl Aug 28 15:54:46 mickeyl: cya Aug 28 15:55:09 RP: nevermind. excuse me I'm too tired to flash correct kernels at this time Aug 28 15:55:12 g'night Aug 28 15:59:49 zecke : What are you going to vote ? Aug 28 16:03:03 gerwinin: where when? German Elections? Aug 28 16:03:27 gerwinin: I guess I'm trying ro vote Kent Brockman Aug 28 16:08:02 zecke: cool Aug 28 16:09:05 zecke: which party is he running for ? Aug 28 16:11:04 zecke: I ment the german elections Aug 28 16:12:04 gerwinin: Dunno, Channel 4 IIRC Aug 28 16:28:58 hehe Aug 28 16:29:08 is there really someone named Kent Brockman running? Aug 28 16:29:18 gerwinin: He was a character on the simpsons :p Aug 28 16:29:31 ggilbert: rigto ;) Aug 28 16:29:52 tv news anchor Aug 28 16:30:09 ggilbert: at least he stands for something...in contrast to our politicians... Aug 28 16:30:12 hehe Aug 28 16:30:27 ggilbert: eiter one wastes the vote with electing a minor/radical party... Aug 28 16:30:36 I think he was done by the guy who's wife shot him though Aug 28 16:30:44 can't remember his name though Aug 28 16:30:46 ggilbert: or when elects CDU or SDP both doing the same crasp... Aug 28 16:30:59 interesting Aug 28 16:31:06 phil hartman Aug 28 16:32:05 oh no Aug 28 16:32:10 harry shearer did his voice Aug 28 16:33:43 zecke: thinking of writing up something on what about the palm os interface works well Aug 28 16:34:00 ggilbert: I've just read wikipedia (about Phil Hartman) Aug 28 16:34:11 ggilbert: you're considering it? or one should consider it? Aug 28 16:34:17 ggilbert: I agree with both Aug 28 16:34:26 zecke: I'm considering it Aug 28 16:34:46 been using the palm for a while now and there are a few things about the ui that flow well Aug 28 16:35:05 IMHO: The NextGen PDA/Smartphone/Settop GUI should focus one some simple things and do that very well Aug 28 16:35:27 IMHO: One needs to be able to integrate his PDA/Smartphone without any border into the desktop and server Aug 28 16:36:00 ggilbert: I've started using Mac OS X, and still collecting ideas on a sane Touchscreen interface Aug 28 16:36:22 ggilbert: your write up could benefit quite well ;) Aug 28 16:39:37 it also does a lot of things really poorly Aug 28 16:39:43 the ui for the call log is horrible Aug 28 16:40:01 the only way to access it by default is to hit the phone button while in the phoine app Aug 28 16:40:19 no menu item Aug 28 16:40:20 nothing Aug 28 16:41:30 the way that I can just start typing a name from the phone and it starts pullings things up from the address book is great Aug 28 16:41:42 or the way any app seems to be able to choose entries from the address book Aug 28 16:42:39 I still get frustrated by the low level palm design though Aug 28 16:44:37 from what I've read, the os is capable of preemptive multi tasking, it just isn't exposed to the user for the most part Aug 28 16:45:15 kind of strange to go into the calendar from an irc client and find I was logged off Aug 28 16:47:35 of course it's also a pain to have to chuck out 15 bucks for an app that looks like it would take 20 minutes to put together with pyqt :p Aug 28 16:48:12 well that same $15 could be going to you to develop more apps Aug 28 16:48:54 hehe. I don't want to thought :) Which is why I'm giving it to them Aug 28 16:49:43 i still think palm should be way ahead fo where tehy are Aug 28 16:50:04 they have a really nasty case of backwards compatibility :) Aug 28 16:50:07 they had ~5-7yrs of stagnance Aug 28 16:50:27 took handspring to kind of give them a wakeup call Aug 28 16:50:55 they don't actually ship any devices with 68k cpus Aug 28 16:51:09 and probably haven't for a long while now, but that's the only way you can build an app :p Aug 28 16:51:32 keeps thier code small and fast tho Aug 28 16:52:02 I'm kind of thinking that palm os 6 is going to bomb though Aug 28 16:52:05 call me a pessimist Aug 28 16:52:17 hard to say Aug 28 16:52:46 as you were saying earlier there are a lot of cell companies pumping money into it Aug 28 16:54:15 if they can prove they are a decent competitor for the embedded media device market it might do well Aug 28 16:54:43 since most things are going wireless/media/pda cross Aug 28 16:55:20 reminds me Aug 28 16:55:36 anyone know how 3G is doing? Aug 28 16:55:44 for cellular/wireless Aug 28 16:56:14 my concern is that they've established a very large amount of backwards compatibility baggage by now. I'm wondering how well they'll be able to do things right while still maintaining that. As they say they will Aug 28 16:56:52 hard to say, intel for the most part has done the impossible Aug 28 16:58:34 bah ... time to skip this part for a few days Aug 28 17:01:34 cya Aug 28 17:01:43 cya Aug 28 17:02:51 ggilbert: I agree that PIM should be the core of such a system Aug 28 17:04:35 good nite Aug 28 17:04:41 night Aug 28 17:05:28 good night Aug 28 17:06:07 now to figure out why internet access just stopped working Aug 28 17:06:35 your imaging your here? Aug 28 17:06:47 imagining* Aug 28 17:35:41 What are the advantages of the csl-arm patches for gcc 3.4.4? I notice that according to bug #204, the csl-arm patches cause problems with some apps. Can gcc-cross-3.4.4 (without the csl-arm stuff) build a system for XScale? Aug 28 19:30:44 mooga mooga mooga Aug 28 22:17:26 <[cc]smart> RP: we are using NOOP and deadline for openslug and for devices running flash only AS and CFQ are not really necessary. For disk depending on the task the latter two are often better choice. so for zaurii i'd suggest to disable AS and CFQ. Aug 28 22:56:02 hey be4 i spend anymore time try to get gpe-imagde to build... are there any probs with oz-3.5.4 & gpe-image?? Aug 29 00:48:37 morning Aug 29 00:49:56 how do i compile monotone with -fno-omit-frame-pointer and -fno-strict-aliasing ? Aug 29 00:50:21 configure does not accept that option Aug 29 00:50:45 eJumbo: CFLAGS=-fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing ./configure Aug 29 02:15:25 good morning all Aug 29 02:42:14 morning all Aug 29 02:42:28 RP: morning Aug 29 02:43:36 ZonE-HaKin9|home: I successfullly built both opie and gpe images yesterday Aug 29 02:44:15 RP: clean rebuild? Aug 29 02:45:17 koen|slug: yes, fresh build directory - only problem was the ttf font Aug 29 02:46:19 Hey RP & XorA Aug 29 02:46:20 RP: ThanX ... it keeps failing on me :( any chance u could post your local.conf file for me to check out... i thnk my prob maybe in there...? Aug 29 02:47:52 koen|slug: did you see that we now have a method of running normal debian on the slug with no extra hardware required (i.e. not needing serial, and using onboard IXP exthernet) ... ? Aug 29 02:48:22 rwhitby: not yet Aug 29 02:48:58 My server seems to be ill. Can't type anything on it without massive lag... Aug 29 02:49:22 http://debian.nslu2-linux.org/ Aug 29 02:49:41 ZonE-HAKin9: The machine with the conf file is powered off at the moment. Give me a few minutes and I'll find it. It has nothing special in it though Aug 29 02:50:09 rwhitby: nifty Aug 29 02:50:18 rwhitby: but OE is much cooler ;) Aug 29 02:50:50 koen|slug: and you dont have to deal with debian package building :-) Aug 29 02:51:06 RP_: thanx i just need to check it.. see if i have any stuff ups Aug 29 02:54:15 ZonE-HaKin9|home: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/local.conf Aug 29 02:55:29 RP: ThanX MatE **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 29 02:59:56 2005