**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 16 02:59:56 2005 Sep 16 03:29:42 fsck... 2h wasted on building knoda just to find that that tool does not understand utf8 Sep 16 03:44:00 * CP|Laptop tries to figure out if the NX bit is really used in Linux, or if it is just given lip service Sep 16 03:46:20 * AvengerMoJo couldn't find where the usbdevfs source Sep 16 03:47:56 drivers/usb/core/devio? Sep 16 03:50:20 no :( Sep 16 03:50:56 oh Sep 16 03:51:02 drivers/usb/devio Sep 16 03:51:04 thanks hrw|work Sep 16 03:51:50 AvengerMoJo: grep is your friend - remember Sep 16 03:52:23 RP: tosa-bl-r5.patch fails to apply Sep 16 03:52:33 NOTE: Applying patch 'tosa-bl-r5.patch' Sep 16 03:52:33 NOTE: Applying patch 'pcmcia_dev_ids-r1.patch' Sep 16 03:52:40 XorA: works for me Sep 16 03:52:43 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-mm3-r0: task do_patch: completed Sep 16 03:52:56 hrw|work: hmmm, I have a total fresh tree here Sep 16 03:53:14 hrw|work: right ... I'm not with my laptop ..using my C3000 right now .. take me longer to find stuff Sep 16 03:53:43 XorA: 1b24360a1b0238a3f1d67b72aff01ea9 devel/sources/dl_dir/tosa-bl-r5.patch Sep 16 03:53:57 hrw|work: could you take a look at 2.4.20 ... devio.c line 1085 Sep 16 03:54:09 hrw|work: it is just seem to be missing something there Sep 16 03:54:14 hrw|work: 7714ed88fc5d8aee74323cb91d41b4c5 Sep 16 03:54:18 AvengerMoJo: cannot Sep 16 03:54:27 hrw|work: thanks :) Sep 16 03:54:32 hrw|work: I guess someone replaced the patch without a rename Sep 16 03:54:42 perhaps Sep 16 03:55:10 hrw|work: can you make yours available Sep 16 03:55:14 XorA: http://handhelds.org/~hrw/tosa-bl-r5.patch Sep 16 03:58:43 hrw|work: cheers, the one you have works, the one on DOSRC doesnt :-( Sep 16 04:00:07 hrw|work: I think I find the code segment Sep 16 04:00:22 hrw|work: I wonder anyone else has use USB host before :( Sep 16 04:00:57 hrw|work: because from what I see here .. there is no way libusb would work for RW ioctl on the usbdevfs Sep 16 04:01:39 AvengerMoJo: who need 2.4-sharp when 2.6 is progressing... maybe better spend time on 2.6 then on 2.4 Sep 16 04:05:35 hrw|work: ok I will do that Sep 16 04:05:52 if my fix is a fix .. that will be for both Sep 16 04:07:15 AvengerMoJo: 2.6 should just work and shouldn't need fixing. 2.6 is the only kernel with a future and spending time on 2.4 is pointless Sep 16 04:07:41 XorA: Try tosa-bl-r6 from Dirk's site... Sep 16 04:10:31 RP: Ill try that after build is finished, I am populating a new machine at work for builds Sep 16 04:11:35 ~lart watchguard for firebox docs Sep 16 04:11:35 * ibot takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in watchguard's direction, hitting watchguard and sending watchguard flying into the closet for firebox docs Sep 16 04:12:16 XorA: There are two -r5 bl patches - one on my site and one on Dirks - mine is probably the one you should be using :-/ Sep 16 04:13:12 RP: ok Sep 16 04:13:23 but I think my 2.6 kernel faceing the same problem Sep 16 04:15:27 AvengerMoJo: It could be your driver then... Sep 16 04:17:00 I'm using libusb ... Sep 16 04:17:20 there shouldn't be any driver in between ... except hotplug Sep 16 04:17:34 I'm thinking may be hotplug steal the device Sep 16 04:21:35 h lardman|work Sep 16 04:21:57 lardman|work: The corgi backlight problem disappeared with the move to -mm3 Sep 16 04:21:59 RP: did you get a usbhost module for 2.6? Sep 16 04:22:38 hi RP Sep 16 04:22:57 RP: I've been away at a conference, I need to do a big pull and some rebuilding Sep 16 04:23:54 RP: mounting /proc/bus/usb no such device Sep 16 04:26:52 AvengerMoJo: There are hundreds of documents about this on the internet... Sep 16 04:27:02 RP: if the usbdevfs is not support .... is the usbcore or ? Sep 16 04:27:05 ok Sep 16 04:27:25 Its a standard 2.6 kernel so any standard 2.6 kernel documentation will help Sep 16 04:27:59 AvengerMoJo: make sure you mount the usbfs, I had the same hair-pulling issues a while back Sep 16 04:30:44 lardman|work: mount usbfs ..... Sep 16 04:31:08 lardman|work: you mean mount none /proc/bus/usb -t usbdevfs ? Sep 16 04:31:18 AvengerMoJo: that's the one Sep 16 04:31:44 AvengerMoJo: of course you need usbcore inmod'ed and working correctly though Sep 16 04:31:54 s/inmod/insmod Sep 16 04:32:08 lardman|work: right I get the usbcore already Sep 16 04:32:09 use modprobe instead of insmod... Sep 16 04:32:20 usbcore is in .... Sep 16 04:32:37 still no such device :) Sep 16 04:32:48 AvengerMoJo: modprobe ohci-hcd Sep 16 04:32:56 RP: does it need an extra usbhost Sep 16 04:33:00 right .. like that Sep 16 04:33:11 RP: does it compile ? Sep 16 04:33:23 RP: I didn't seem to see this in my build Sep 16 04:33:24 :( Sep 16 04:33:58 and i keep thinking ohci-hcd is for pci bus usbhost Sep 16 04:34:12 usbdevfs is part of usbcore so that should mount Sep 16 04:34:33 ohci-hcd changes depending on the host you're using. the pxa270 is supported Sep 16 04:34:34 RP: that's what I'm thinking also Sep 16 04:34:43 Does something have to be enabled in the defconfig? Sep 16 04:34:47 i thought its called ohci_pxa27x something Sep 16 04:35:02 RP: do you get a kernel that I can test it with the ohci-hcd? Sep 16 04:35:09 z-akita: that's 2.4 Sep 16 04:35:17 hostap-modules-0.4.4 doesnt compile against -mm3 Sep 16 04:35:39 AvengerMojo: ah... my akita no 2.6 support yet :( Sep 16 04:36:18 RP: if i compile using gcc 3.4.4 with --march=iwmmx on my akita.. will i seg fault? Sep 16 04:36:20 z-akita: http://rpsys.net/openzaurus/ Sep 16 04:36:38 RP: hrw|work http://pastebin.ca/23078 Sep 16 04:37:37 XorA: They pulled more of the pcmcia code in -mm3. This is going to cause problems for us :-( Sep 16 04:37:51 RP: :-( Sep 16 04:38:08 hostap dont seem to have a newer version yet either Sep 16 04:38:21 RP: I suppose this may be time to switch to internal modules Sep 16 04:38:25 z-akita: I'm not sure what that will do at this time... Sep 16 04:38:36 XorA: I know they were updated to cope with this change Sep 16 04:38:54 I hadn't realised these changes had come through into -mm3 :-( Sep 16 04:42:25 Do you think it is feasable to get a WLAN connection with a distance of 2km? Sep 16 04:42:32 any antenna expert here? Sep 16 04:42:48 zecke: with or without amplification Sep 16 04:45:51 koen: with Sep 16 04:47:29 Is anyone here familiar enough with dependencies to have the zaurus kernel providing the hostap and orinoco modules? Sep 16 04:49:02 hostap and orinoco from mainline instead of external ones? Sep 16 04:50:19 zecke: sure, just use directional antennas and some (probably illegal) amplifiers Sep 16 04:50:31 iirc people have done 10-50 km with wlan Sep 16 04:50:54 hrw|work: yes Sep 16 04:51:48 hrw|work: but only for 2.6.13ish onwards Sep 16 04:52:08 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r21efd295... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-mm3.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Updates to the tosa patches so they apply cleanly (and some from Dirk). Fix some types in other patches Sep 16 05:06:49 RP: thats probably question for mickeyl Sep 16 05:10:56 I'm guessing we have the module provide virtual/hostap and virtual/orinoco... Sep 16 05:18:32 probably Sep 16 05:18:41 did you tried kernel ones? Sep 16 05:33:48 has cpufreq been signed off as being good enough to be included? Sep 16 05:34:51 doh Sep 16 05:34:57 kgdb and kprobes can't coexist Sep 16 05:35:00 thats bad Sep 16 05:52:16 (vim:5670): Bonobo-CRITICAL **: bonobo_dock_item_get_orientation: assertion `BONOBO_IS_DOCK_ITEM (dock_item)' failed Sep 16 05:53:01 wtf, I can't get the toolbar back into the mainwindow... Sep 16 05:53:09 heh Sep 16 05:53:34 I always curse at that 'feature' Sep 16 05:54:25 should I add a bb file for 2.6.12-hh3 (i.e. copy handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.12-hh1.bb)? Sep 16 05:55:00 koen: what is the perspective of integrating the dotGNU bbfiles? Sep 16 05:55:27 pH5: please, go ahead Sep 16 05:55:40 zecke: if someone submits them to bugzilla we can review them Sep 16 05:55:54 koen: didn't the GPE SoC candidate had some? Sep 16 05:58:09 zecke: yes Sep 16 05:58:21 koen: and he does not want to file a bug report? Sep 16 05:58:34 apperantly not Sep 16 05:58:58 I'm not going to tell him that for the 6th time Sep 16 05:59:12 hehe Sep 16 05:59:18 http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-dotnet/ Sep 16 05:59:56 afaict not much gpe about it, but that's where you can get it Sep 16 06:00:26 koen: hehe but the license is incompatible with the ones of our bbfiles :} Sep 16 06:02:58 haven't looked at it Sep 16 06:03:02 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r31484b3a... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.12-hh3.bb: handhelds-pxa-2.6: add a bb for 2.6.12-hh3 Sep 16 06:03:05 but do we require them to be MIT? Sep 16 06:03:21 koen: I guess we do Sep 16 06:03:34 koen: otherwise we would need each bbfile to have a copyright header Sep 16 06:03:47 Whats the other license? Sep 16 06:04:02 don't we have a blanked MIT license in the topdir? Sep 16 06:04:11 blanket* Sep 16 06:06:05 zecke: did you bump the version for bitbake in svn yet? Sep 16 06:06:13 1.3.2.1 it is Sep 16 06:06:37 I'm slowly catching up after IFA Sep 16 06:10:23 lardman|work: I'll include it post 3.5.4 Sep 16 06:11:31 RP: you mean post branching? Sep 16 06:16:47 koen: Yes Sep 16 06:21:29 RP: Cool Sep 16 06:25:55 * XorA dances the cpufreq goodness jig Sep 16 06:27:09 heh Sep 16 06:29:20 XorA and lardman|work: you both dont use opie? Sep 16 06:29:31 hrw|work: no opie here Sep 16 06:29:58 I'm thinking about writing opie-sh script to handle cpufreq Sep 16 06:30:28 hrw|work: is it not standard and can use powernowd? Sep 16 06:30:37 hrw|work: this is what I use on my celeron and amd64 Sep 16 06:30:59 powernowd is pretty neat Sep 16 06:31:03 XorA: I just set scaling_governor to ondemand and kernel change freq automatically Sep 16 06:31:03 hrw|work: I'm on Opie atm Sep 16 06:31:20 although you can't switch profiles on the fly Sep 16 06:31:27 cpufreqd and cpuspeed are also both in OE Sep 16 06:32:02 koen: its a laught running amd64 at 1GHz Sep 16 06:32:22 ondemand actually seems to work fairly well to tell the truth Sep 16 06:33:47 XorA: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/argos/rrd/graph/cpuspeed_31536000.png Sep 16 06:34:52 that's for my celeron mythbox Sep 16 06:36:00 booga booga booga Sep 16 06:36:07 I'm writing an Octave script to stress the processor occasionally & record battery life & CPU speed, just need to rebuild Octave 2.9.3 as I got the .bb a bit wrong Sep 16 06:36:47 lardman|work: I do 'cat /dev/urandom>/dev/null' - much simpler ;) Sep 16 06:36:48 koen, has anyone said there is still an issue with the ipaq usb cradle for the 3700 series? Sep 16 06:37:17 i coulndt find a ref in the list Sep 16 06:37:30 bug .. i'll check mailing now Sep 16 06:38:00 hrw|work: If I do that then cpufreq will sit at 100Mhz, I want to be able to make it do something from time to time to see how much of a diff cpufreq makes, etc. Sep 16 06:38:40 lardman|work: here it make it goes to 400MHz Sep 16 06:39:00 hrw|work: when it's idling? Sep 16 06:39:18 hrw|work: ah, sorry I misread your post Sep 16 06:40:43 * emte guesses i am still on koen s ignore list Sep 16 06:41:20 heh Sep 16 06:43:01 ohwell Sep 16 06:44:19 spamis sends out funny emails re:MS Sep 16 06:45:30 morning Sep 16 06:46:17 morn Sep 16 06:46:36 now to figure out why my ipaq only networks one way ... Sep 16 07:47:38 03ccsmart 07org.oe.dev * re6cc8d63... 10/packages/cyrus-sasl/cyrus-sasl_2.1.19.bb: cyrus-sasl: Add comment to account in /etc/passwd Sep 16 07:47:42 03ccsmart 07org.oe.dev * r7314165b... 10/packages/postfix/postfix_2.0.20.bb: postfix: Add comment to accounts in /etc/passwd Sep 16 07:47:46 03ccsmart 07org.oe.dev * r36fdf65c... 10/packages/bogofilter/ (files/postfix-filter.sh files/volatiles bogofilter_0.96.0.bb): bogofilter: add basic environment - system accounts, working dirs, postfix script Sep 16 08:00:22 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r4693abe8... 10/packages/gnuz/ (gnuz/intro_level.patch gnuz_0.3.bb): Sep 16 08:00:22 gnuz: switched from generating levels during build to pregenerated ones Sep 16 08:00:22 - generator used Qt/X11 so it was impossible to build it without running X11 Sep 16 08:00:26 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rea88a8d5... 10/packages/gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser_cvs.bb: packages/gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser_cvs.bb: add some more DEPENDS Sep 16 08:00:30 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r4971c75b... 10/packages/meta/meta-opie-all.bb: meta-opie-all: added gnuz into task-qpe-games Sep 16 08:05:26 building meta-opie-all will require building X11 just for lirc which is needed for irk Sep 16 08:05:39 irk sucks Sep 16 08:05:41 use kbdd Sep 16 08:06:19 koen: I know that irk suxx but without keyboard(s) I wont add their support into kbdd anyway Sep 16 08:06:35 aren't they already supported? Sep 16 08:06:46 atleast I ignore that totally Sep 16 08:06:57 dont know Sep 16 08:07:20 irk has too many variants - we have 2 of them and I ignore both Sep 16 08:08:07 pocketop is not yet supported by kbdd (atleast not listed in wiki) Sep 16 08:12:10 hrw|work: I started to look at pocketop support, but new job currently in the way, maybe in couple of weeks I go back Sep 16 08:13:01 months ago I was talking with someone who wanted to send me one of pocketop keyboards - but disappeared few days later Sep 16 08:14:10 * XorA has one only used once Sep 16 08:14:19 XorA: no more java cards? Sep 16 08:14:31 koen: I am not IT Manager Sep 16 08:14:36 s/not/now Sep 16 08:14:46 more pay, less work? Sep 16 08:15:03 hopefully, but less Javacrud work Sep 16 08:15:19 and investigations into making more of the network *nix based Sep 16 08:15:43 NOTE: package lirc-0.7.1-r2: task do_build: completed Sep 16 08:16:15 Depends: update-rc.d, libgcc1 (>= 3.4.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5+cvs20050627), libx11-6 (>= 6.2.1), libxau0 (>= 0.1.1) Sep 16 08:16:16 would help if I could get my USB irda dongle to work in linux and talk to pocketop Sep 16 08:17:10 hrw|work: I bet lirc is missing a --without-x in EXTRA_OECONF Sep 16 08:17:21 koen: and it has nice comment about it Sep 16 08:17:37 # XXX Why is X disabled on all these platforms anyway? Sep 16 08:17:37 EXTRA_OECONF_append_collie = " --without-x" Sep 16 08:17:52 collie/h3600/simpad has it Sep 16 08:18:41 a yes, I guess we need irxevent for our PVR images Sep 16 08:19:06 Neither spectrum_cs or hostap_cs in-kerne versions work :-( Sep 16 08:19:19 someone should/can explode lirc into normal/x11 packages maybe Sep 16 08:19:37 We need to solve a firmware issue for spectrum_cs. hostap_cs is just plain broken (WE version mismatch as well) Sep 16 08:19:39 anyway - irk does not rdepend on lirc - only need it to build Sep 16 08:20:18 i'm having an error while do_rootfs opie-image-1.0-r17 Sep 16 08:20:21 RP: hostap_cs have patches for WE19 on mailing list - so maybe it will get them Sep 16 08:20:29 z-akita: mediaplayer2-skin? Sep 16 08:20:44 hrw|work: yup Sep 16 08:20:46 hrw|work: Our iwconfig doesn't support WE19... Sep 16 08:20:51 mediaplayer2 skin... Sep 16 08:21:05 RP: something support it already at all? Sep 16 08:21:20 z-akita: fscking problem - will override it a bit Sep 16 08:22:07 any temporary workaround? Sep 16 08:22:36 hrw|work: The in kernel version of hostap Sep 16 08:22:41 a few hours ago , there's another person having the same problem... Sep 16 08:23:07 z-akita: known problem Sep 16 08:26:24 z-akita: w8 5 minutes and pull Sep 16 08:26:46 z-akita: monotone: committed revision 5b224b4c91dec0b22ff45bec26fb18a01889e139 Sep 16 08:26:55 hrw|work: thanx... Sep 16 08:28:08 koen: it someone in 'mt list keys' does not have @openembedded or @nslu2-linux then (s)he is non-core devel of nslu2-linux? Sep 16 08:28:21 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r5b224b4c... 10/packages/opie-mediaplayer2/ (3 files): Sep 16 08:28:21 opie-mediaplayer2: moved opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default from RDEPENDS to DEPENDS Sep 16 08:28:21 I don't like that change but if we want to have opie-mediaplayer2 in opie-image Sep 16 08:28:21 for big flash devices then I don't see other method of fixing that problem. Sep 16 08:28:24 any dev for 2.6/poodle present? Sep 16 08:29:12 z-akita: here you have Sep 16 08:29:21 hrw|work: yes Sep 16 08:30:45 thx Sep 16 08:31:02 ok. time to push one bug into bugtracker and go home Sep 16 08:35:38 still no word from CELF.... Sep 16 08:35:47 what they have to tell? Sep 16 08:36:05 funding people to work on OE Sep 16 08:36:32 who funded OE? Sep 16 08:36:47 z-akita: no one yet Sep 16 08:37:22 i think laze is having financial problem with pdaxrom development.. Sep 16 08:38:00 z-akita: so? Sep 16 08:38:19 hrw|work: don't be so hard... Sep 16 08:38:20 ^^ Sep 16 08:38:34 pdaxrom people are idiots Sep 16 08:38:47 ROM = Read Only Memory Sep 16 08:38:55 they even get the simplest of stuff wrong Sep 16 08:39:27 heh Sep 16 08:40:45 z-akita: they have problem because their main developer does not do anything to get cash other then working on pdaxrom. Sep 16 08:41:09 z-akita: we do OZ/Fam/etc in so called 'free' time Sep 16 08:41:45 * alan|away notes the "work" in "hrw|work" ^^' Sep 16 08:42:00 hrw|work: ya... asking people for donation to keep the project alive... how long can they keep that up? Sep 16 08:42:07 * alan|away this time really away... Sep 16 08:42:10 * hrw|work notes 'away' in alan|away ;) Sep 16 08:42:21 z-akita: who knows... Sep 16 08:42:56 i like bitbake... i like gentoo portage... Sep 16 08:43:44 I like to not worry about 'where do I get money from' ;) Sep 16 08:48:31 i can't wait for kernel 2.6 in CXk.... Sep 16 08:49:22 Ok, work is over, time to enjoy my free time in Germany Sep 16 08:49:23 good night Sep 16 08:50:17 z-akita: pdax people does not even generate correct deps in packages.. Sep 16 08:50:37 http://www.pdaxrom.org/buglist.php?doaction=showbug&bugid=273 - "gnumeric: error while loading shared libraries: libbz2.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Sep 16 08:50:59 such things does not happen in OE based rather Sep 16 08:53:45 ya... it won't happen... nv have this problem in portage.. so i don't think bitbake have this problem either Sep 16 08:55:32 its a job for shlibs code Sep 16 08:56:04 cu - time to go home really Sep 16 09:07:03 so i ruled it out as a usb only problem ... Sep 16 09:07:14 happens with the serial cradle as well Sep 16 09:07:31 perhaps the event handler is freaking out? Sep 16 09:08:02 hmm, I just started a build and it's begun to compile gcc-3.4.4 of its own volition -> I was using csl Sep 16 09:08:23 emte, what driver module are you using? Sep 16 09:08:40 this is with familiar 0.8.2 Sep 16 09:08:47 locks up the ipaq Sep 16 09:09:20 hmm Sep 16 09:09:37 i wonder if it will do it with the cradle disconnected Sep 16 09:10:40 nope, so its voltage/current aware ... Sep 16 09:11:12 grr Sep 16 09:11:29 i shouldnta pluged my cradle back in while the ipaq was in it :( Sep 16 09:12:03 another hard reset :( Sep 16 09:34:14 Which directory should our images be using for firmware? Sep 16 09:34:37 /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ? Sep 16 09:42:32 We follow debian so whereever debian keeps its firmware is correct for oe? Is that right? Sep 16 09:43:07 sort of Sep 16 09:44:01 we follow debian unless 1) it's braindead 2) we screwed up in the past (the lsmod problem) Sep 16 09:44:11 So I should patch the redhatism of /lib/firmware out of linux-hotplug? Sep 16 09:44:23 argh! Sep 16 09:44:26 warning: implicit declaration of function `printf' Sep 16 09:44:36 error: `NULL' undeclared here (not in a function) Sep 16 09:44:39 RP: I think so Sep 16 09:44:53 I've never liked redhatisms Sep 16 09:45:13 koen: I think its a redhatism anyway :-/ Sep 16 09:45:21 ~lart e17 Sep 16 09:45:21 * ibot takes e17 to the vet for a "special" visit Sep 16 09:45:22 Its certainly not debian style... Sep 16 09:45:58 koen: I'm trying to write something to install firmware binaries for the symbol cards Sep 16 09:46:12 once added, the inbuild kernel orinoco driver works Sep 16 09:46:19 where do we store the hostap binaries? Sep 16 09:47:04 if we agree on a location, every package should follow it Sep 16 09:47:10 (at least the obvious ones) Sep 16 09:49:16 It appers we use /lib/firmware... Sep 16 09:49:48 mickey|bbl is a redhatism ;) Sep 16 09:50:50 I'll use that for the spectrum binaries then... Sep 16 09:50:58 re Sep 16 09:51:27 RP: or file a bug Sep 16 09:51:33 RP: or ask the mailinglist Sep 16 09:51:53 since we try to be as close to debian as possible Sep 16 09:55:15 How does one use python from within C++? Sep 16 09:55:20 koen: email sent Sep 16 10:13:38 koen, what is the lsmod problem? Sep 16 10:14:13 Lodown: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232 Sep 16 10:14:23 ok :-D Sep 16 10:15:11 ah...ok Sep 16 10:22:16 anyone here? Sep 16 10:22:36 hey Sep 16 10:22:37 that's not a productive question Sep 16 10:22:40 :-D Sep 16 10:22:48 i got one problem Sep 16 10:23:00 i bitbake opie-image... Sep 16 10:23:23 then i flash with the new rootfs and zImage.. Sep 16 10:23:45 when starting opie.. all the words are missing... i'm i missing some fonts? Sep 16 10:23:58 hmm.. have to test Sep 16 10:24:27 hrw: all the things work fine.. just no words.. Sep 16 10:24:42 no chars you mean? Sep 16 10:24:48 ya.. Sep 16 10:24:59 no "ABC" Sep 16 10:26:36 hi kergoth Sep 16 10:27:18 JustinP, still haviing fun? Sep 16 10:27:20 seems like i'm missing dejavu fonts Sep 16 10:27:23 night Sep 16 10:29:49 emte: not only are my new CVS builds segfaulting and such on my Z, the old builds aren't finding little things like stdlib.h.... Sep 16 10:30:34 you compiling static? Sep 16 10:31:07 altho taht doesnt explain why its not finding stdlib.h Sep 16 10:31:41 no Sep 16 10:31:48 i am tired of buying new hw for my computer ... Sep 16 10:31:51 I'm doing normal OE builds, same as I always do Sep 16 10:32:10 ::sigh:: Sep 16 10:32:22 odd Sep 16 10:32:22 I wanted to start using CVS builds for e but I guess I can't.... Sep 16 10:32:27 JustinP: E cvs builds also segfault on my workstation Sep 16 10:32:28 no Sep 16 10:32:35 oh wonderful Sep 16 10:32:36 that is NOT reccomended Sep 16 10:32:44 so I suspect E is broken Sep 16 10:32:44 I wasn't going to leave them floating Sep 16 10:32:45 cvs is very unstable for e Sep 16 10:33:28 that was the primary reason for the desktop snapshots i belive Sep 16 10:34:01 if you give me a min i can tell you if the devel cvs is broke as well Sep 16 10:34:24 make tahts an hour Sep 16 10:34:33 i forgot its on sf cvs Sep 16 10:35:40 maybe i should put my dvd drive in first ... Sep 16 10:35:54 yeah ... brb Sep 16 10:42:56 koen, i just want you to know ... i love you Sep 16 10:43:15 now to get the sources Sep 16 10:49:07 that is if it ever auths ... Sep 16 10:51:23 I'm rebuilding in OE for CVSDATE 20050916 right now.... Sep 16 10:51:28 some new fonts in e17 Sep 16 10:52:06 now, lets see ... how to make my dvd drive work ... Sep 16 10:53:12 and the 6thousand eintro images ... blech Sep 16 10:55:38 new fonts.... Sep 16 10:55:40 hmmm Sep 16 10:55:50 I'm removing the large fonts from tha package because they weren't needed Sep 16 10:55:54 perhaps in CVS they are.... Sep 16 10:56:06 JustinP: which font you use now? Sep 16 10:56:42 JustinP: so big fonts are rather useful for CJKV people Sep 16 10:56:50 ? Sep 16 10:56:55 I'm not sure what you mean Sep 16 10:57:21 I'm talking about large as in MB Sep 16 10:57:40 yeah that is a raster thing ... Sep 16 10:57:47 and removing them had no effect on e-wm, so I removed them from the ipk Sep 16 10:57:49 Chinese Japanese Korean Vietnamese - I'm talking about fonts which you removed from E - they are so big probably because lots of cjkv chars Sep 16 10:57:56 kochi-gothic.ttf amd fireflysung.ttf Sep 16 10:58:02 yeah, probably Sep 16 10:58:03 you can probably remove/reduce the font libraries by quite a bit Sep 16 10:58:07 kochi-gothic is standard cjkv font Sep 16 10:58:23 ttf-kochi-gothic - Kochi Subst Gothic Japanese TrueType font without naga10 Sep 16 10:58:25 its not that they are big charset wise Sep 16 10:58:26 I planned on making them their own package so people can still use htem if they wish, I just didn't get around to it Sep 16 10:58:33 its that they contain so many sizes Sep 16 10:58:50 ttf-kochi-gothic-naga10 - Kochi Subst Gothic Japanese TrueType font with naga10 (non-free) Sep 16 10:59:04 hmm Sep 16 10:59:07 so it has to be checked which one was/are in E (distribution rights) Sep 16 10:59:16 lot of changes in e17 cvs ... Sep 16 10:59:28 well if my newest build doesn't work I'll try re-adding the fonts.... Sep 16 10:59:36 i have made a .bb for ttf-sazanami packages, they're free afaik. Sep 16 10:59:57 JustinP, you shoudl be safe as long as your local is right Sep 16 11:00:31 emte: local is right? Sep 16 11:00:37 lacale* Sep 16 11:00:47 bah i still cant spell it right Sep 16 11:01:43 so if your system isnt setup for japanese it wont use it Sep 16 11:01:48 etc Sep 16 11:02:16 so you "might" be able to get away with "region" font packs Sep 16 11:02:36 for normal usage I propose ttf-dejavu Sep 16 11:02:38 which would cut down size as well Sep 16 11:04:43 finally Sep 16 11:05:49 JustinP, where were you having problems compiling e17? Sep 16 11:07:45 I'm just allowing e to use what it normally uses ATM...I haven't latered any themes or anything Sep 16 11:07:52 z-akita: ping Sep 16 11:07:53 ecore-x11 was failing Sep 16 11:08:08 something else was as well but I don't remember what it was... Sep 16 11:08:20 this was on the snapshots, though, which is strange, becaus ethey worked before Sep 16 11:08:56 z-akita: run "/usr/sbin/update-qtttffontdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype >/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/fonts/fontdir" on zaurus Sep 16 11:09:12 cu Sep 16 11:09:32 If I look at Lenz's page, I see that the 2.6 kernel for poodle have a working keyboard Sep 16 11:09:38 hmm Sep 16 11:10:03 I tried 2.6.13-mm3 and i can't have any upper characters (numbers, symboles) Sep 16 11:10:25 the "fn" key act like a regular crtl key Sep 16 11:10:47 cd eet Sep 16 11:10:50 grr Sep 16 11:12:24 hmm Sep 16 11:12:34 just developed a problem of my own ... Sep 16 11:12:41 odd Sep 16 11:13:17 where did glut go .. Sep 16 11:14:01 hmm Sep 16 11:14:06 doesnt like mesa Sep 16 11:14:51 hrw: still missing characters... Sep 16 11:15:28 hrw: u think the fonts ipk corrupted? Sep 16 11:15:45 lot of warings on raster's now textblock code ... Sep 16 11:15:53 new* Sep 16 11:17:29 hrw: i look into the fontdir.. looks correct.. fonts are there in /usr/share/fonts/truetype Sep 16 11:18:34 nic: edit keymap if want something other Sep 16 11:18:39 z-akita: ;( should work Sep 16 11:18:48 bbl Sep 16 11:19:08 had to rerun aclocal on ecore .. Sep 16 11:22:31 well i broke it at epsilon ... have a gl problem Sep 16 11:22:37 me not e17 Sep 16 11:24:08 damn it Sep 16 11:24:15 I spent all this time doing this... Sep 16 11:24:17 ! Sep 16 11:24:18 !! Sep 16 11:24:19 JustinP: I have no frelling idea! Sep 16 11:24:34 frelling? Sep 16 11:24:53 * JustinP wonders how to kill his checkin now... Sep 16 11:25:08 frell = farscape refrence Sep 16 11:25:14 i.e. fuck/fsck Sep 16 11:25:32 ah Sep 16 11:25:44 haven't watched much of that Sep 16 11:25:55 fsck works better in print, but its difficult to pronounce Sep 16 11:26:13 indeed Sep 16 11:26:24 by the way, hi kergoth! :) Sep 16 11:26:27 hey Sep 16 11:27:26 or you could just say "flocking sheep!" Sep 16 11:27:40 ~snapshots Sep 16 11:28:32 kergoth: OZ is finally running... tolerably usefully on my Z. Sep 16 11:29:22 kergoth: some combination of "a few more bugs fixed", "shiny new akita", "i'm a little less stupid than before" Sep 16 11:29:28 raduga: i've built opie.. but when i start it... no characters Sep 16 11:30:00 f-sic ? Sep 16 11:30:46 emte: probably easier for central/eastern europeans than for americans to match that consonant cluster. Sep 16 11:31:19 z-akita: missing font? Sep 16 11:31:59 raduga: but the fonts are there... devaju.. Sep 16 11:33:28 kergoth: what's the best place to file a bugreport for something that looks like a low-level flash partitioning problem? Sep 16 11:34:00 the exact place I've seen it occur happens to be hentges/opie but I'm reasonably sure its not specific to opie or hentges Sep 16 11:35:08 er. akita/hentges/opie :/ Sep 16 11:35:40 * raduga apologises for spamming OE with oz cruft :/ Sep 16 11:35:52 raduga: i built from bitbake Sep 16 11:36:02 raduga: no hentges Sep 16 11:36:20 defaults? Sep 16 11:36:33 raduga: i think i'm gonna flash hentges... and update my ipk... Sep 16 11:37:04 raduga: ya.. defaults.. Sep 16 12:14:41 hey mickeyl Sep 16 12:29:20 hi Sep 16 12:29:49 Ciao all Sep 16 12:29:51 RP: just sent you a mail regarding the in-tree/out of tree kernel stuff Sep 16 12:29:52 hi pigi Sep 16 12:30:05 hi mickeyl Sep 16 12:31:15 hi pigi Sep 16 12:31:30 hi pb_ Sep 16 12:31:48 you guess. I have other doubt about dpkg/ipkg :) Sep 16 12:31:54 heh Sep 16 12:31:58 I should rtfmcarefully I think :) Sep 16 12:32:06 s/rtmfc/rtmf c Sep 16 12:32:59 what about suggests: ? is there any specific reason that ipkg consider suggests as a dependencies when removing a package? Sep 16 12:33:44 i mean: ncurses suggests ncurses-terminfo ( wich depends on ncurses obviously ) Sep 16 12:34:07 if I install ncurses-terminfo, then ncurses get installed ( and that's ok ), but... Sep 16 12:34:38 if I remove ncurses-terminfo ipkg says that ncurses-terminfo is depended upon by ncurses. Sep 16 12:34:49 that should be basically wrong, isn't it ? Sep 16 12:36:12 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * ra8750c27... 10/packages/libcwd/libcwd_0.99.40.bb: add libcwd, a sophisticated C++ debugging library Sep 16 12:36:17 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd2f84a64... 10/packages/libcwd/libcwd_0.99.40.bb: libcwd: LICENSE is QPL Sep 16 12:49:44 Pigi: in debian, suggests isnt even used to auto-install packages with apt-get, it just tells the user they might want to install them. aptitude, on the other hand, iirc, auto-installs them Sep 16 12:49:58 recommends is the one that auto-installs Sep 16 12:50:02 * kergoth shrugs Sep 16 12:50:26 hi kergoth, nice to see you. and thanks. Sep 16 12:54:08 hey Sep 16 12:56:58 * emte needs a task monitor Sep 16 13:09:25 Any brave that would double-test ipkg 0.99.154 ? Sep 16 13:11:11 i would if my ipaq would talk to the internet Sep 16 13:11:48 Pigi: yes, what you described about suggests is definitely wrong Sep 16 13:12:09 firstly, ipkg should not be installing ncurses-terminfo automatically, and secondly it should not be complaining if it is removed. Sep 16 13:12:16 I supposed it. I should fix it, but for now I preferred to fix the depends bug. Sep 16 13:12:18 like kergoth says, Suggests: is meant to be purely informative Sep 16 13:12:28 Pigi: righto Sep 16 13:12:42 ipkg don't install a suggests:, but complain when removing Sep 16 13:13:04 oh, right, sorry. I misread what you wrote before. Sep 16 13:13:12 np. Sep 16 13:13:47 there is yet a lot to do before reach an 1.0 release *g* Sep 16 13:15:37 bbl Sep 16 13:19:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd804c5e5... 10/packages/avahi/avahi_0.5.bb: packages/avahi/avahi_0.5.bb: disable mono*, ship service-types and add to OE Sep 16 13:23:13 ~lart mozilla Sep 16 13:23:14 * ibot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, mozilla!" and lops off mozilla's head Sep 16 13:23:24 why the hell is FireFox crashing when I *scroll*? Sep 16 13:23:34 blame gentoo Sep 16 13:24:03 ~lart koen for assuming gentoo is the problem Sep 16 13:24:03 * ibot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs koen for assuming gentoo is the problem Sep 16 13:24:11 I'm on Windows Sep 16 13:24:26 yeah Sep 16 13:24:35 so blame mr robbins Sep 16 13:27:42 ~lart cvs Sep 16 13:27:42 * ibot pours gasoline all over cvs, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Sep 16 13:40:04 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc66567d6... 10/packages/opie-wellenreiter/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Sep 16 13:40:04 opie-wellenreiter: backported fontfix from OPIE CVS Sep 16 13:40:04 - packetview had font hardcoded to Fixed/8 - nearly unreadable on VGA screen Sep 16 13:41:24 now back to tv Sep 16 14:09:15 mickey|tv: still around? Sep 16 14:16:19 collie /dev/mtdblock3. What's in that partition? Sep 16 14:25:33 JustinP: rootfs iirc Sep 16 14:26:17 no. / is mtdblock4 Sep 16 14:26:25 w8 - I look on collie Sep 16 14:26:27 yeah Sep 16 14:26:44 > btwotch: tell us, what was in /dev/mtdblock/3 ? Sep 16 14:26:47 raduga: lost+found Sep 16 14:26:50 after formatting and before, I didn't care. Sep 16 14:26:51 3 is kernel Sep 16 14:26:57 hrw: ouch Sep 16 14:27:00 0 - angel monitor Sep 16 14:27:03 1 - cf updater Sep 16 14:27:09 2 - diagnostics Sep 16 14:27:12 3 - kernel Sep 16 14:27:17 4 - rootfs Sep 16 14:27:23 5 - angel stuff Sep 16 14:27:53 ah, I see Sep 16 14:27:57 thats under 2.4 Sep 16 14:27:57 so...would a flash work? Sep 16 14:28:12 under 2.6 split is different Sep 16 14:28:29 0,1,2 joined, then kernel, rootfs, angelstuff Sep 16 14:28:54 atleast it was like that when I last time checked (months ago) Sep 16 14:28:56 We can easily unjoin them - just need to provide different partition data... Sep 16 14:30:56 RP: sure - but anyway we dont touch that parts of flash Sep 16 14:31:08 so "angel stuff" means what? Sep 16 14:31:22 angelstuff Sep 16 14:31:33 collie flasher is angel based Sep 16 14:31:42 ~angel Sep 16 14:32:09 angel is the name of the bootloader sharp use Sep 16 14:32:30 The c7x0 also have it but in ROM Sep 16 14:33:23 well some numbnuts formatted the mtdblocks on his collie Sep 16 14:33:24 c7x0 has much better version then Sep 16 14:33:33 yes Sep 16 14:33:42 the later models can't be fully bricked by playing with flash Sep 16 14:33:46 JustinP: they can try to flash OSPACK with sharprom Sep 16 14:33:58 you just have to restore the NAND from the system menu Sep 16 14:34:04 hrw|tv: Yes. and a much nicer setup in the first 7MB or nand for the diagnostics and maint menus Sep 16 14:34:35 yep. I have only 3 badblocks in flash - tested in maint Sep 16 14:37:17 hrw|tv: Do I remember you saying the latest version of hostap didn' Sep 16 14:37:21 didn't work? Sep 16 14:37:52 no Sep 16 14:38:04 koen has problem with 0.4.4 on ipaq Sep 16 14:38:32 on my Z 2.6.13-mm1 with hostap 0.4.4 works when I turn off WEP. Sep 16 14:38:41 with wep I cannot connect to AP Sep 16 14:39:18 hrw|tv: Ah, ok. I'm getting confused... Sep 16 14:39:36 The inbuilt kernel hostap_cs driver doesn't work at all :-( Sep 16 14:39:56 back to movie Sep 16 14:39:57 ;( Sep 16 14:44:07 RP: so which version of kernel you propose? 2.6.13-mm3 or -mm1 with more patches? Sep 16 14:44:41 hrw|tv: -mm3 and I'll have to fix hostap. The internal version of orinoco+spectrum_cs works Sep 16 14:45:13 good to know Sep 16 14:45:25 ~lart people to delete COMMAND.COM because they think they don't need it Sep 16 14:45:25 * ibot urinates on people to delete COMMAND.COM because they think they don't need it Sep 16 14:45:32 s/to/who/ Sep 16 14:49:40 JustinP: isn't it cmd.com/exe in winnt/ Sep 16 14:49:41 ? Sep 16 14:49:44 JustinP: isn't it cmd.com/exe in winnt? Sep 16 14:50:34 hrw|tv: I wasn't talking about NT Sep 16 14:50:47 hrw|tv: I was making a reference to the DOS days Sep 16 14:51:04 DOS? Sep 16 14:51:05 what's that? Sep 16 14:51:48 e heh Sep 16 14:52:01 Damn Old System maybe? Sep 16 14:52:07 Denial Of Service Sep 16 14:52:13 ooohhh... Sep 16 14:52:14 haha Sep 16 14:52:16 :-D Sep 16 14:52:43 or maybe Disk Operating System Sep 16 14:53:58 justinp: if the DOS name follows from QDOS, I think its pretty clear what the 'D' stands for. Sep 16 14:54:39 actually I'm referring to MSDOS Sep 16 14:55:09 Dead Operating System... Sep 16 14:55:32 justinp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QDOS Sep 16 14:55:46 QDOS -> PC-DOS -> MS-DOS Sep 16 14:55:54 rather Sep 16 14:56:32 QDOS (ported to 8086)-> PC-DOS (forked off)-> MS-DOS Sep 16 15:00:53 ~lart Mozilla Corporation Sep 16 15:00:53 * ibot send killer squirrels to attack Mozilla Corporation Sep 16 15:05:23 what was that about JustinP ? Sep 16 15:06:38 oh, I'm just blaming my current Firefox crashing issues on Mozilla Corporation Sep 16 15:16:37 We'll have to go back to 2.6.13-mm1. -mm3 has ide_cs or pcmcia powermanagement bugs... Sep 16 15:27:05 * france is back (gone 113:41:20) Sep 16 15:44:01 * france is away: Away Sep 16 15:47:36 RP: if we have to then we will Sep 16 15:54:27 cu Sep 16 15:54:31 night all etc Sep 16 15:58:45 damn it.... Sep 16 15:59:12 okay Sep 16 15:59:16 * emte damns it Sep 16 15:59:29 better? Sep 16 16:02:12 no Sep 16 16:02:19 * emte damns it again Sep 16 16:02:28 I don't suppose anyone in here has tested an e-image lately? Mine's simply not working Sep 16 16:02:31 DAMN IT!!! Sep 16 16:02:39 i cant get it to build still Sep 16 16:02:47 not for familiar anyway Sep 16 16:02:51 every fscking time I tested before it worked and now it simply won't work Sep 16 16:02:57 * JustinP has never used familiar Sep 16 16:03:09 that could be the problem i suppose Sep 16 16:03:09 please post a (*&^ing bug. I can't fix what I don't know about. Sep 16 16:03:27 thought it was something i was doing Sep 16 16:03:37 since three of you were building it fine Sep 16 16:04:05 well....I *think* someone on an ipaq got it to run just a few days ago Sep 16 16:04:21 dunno who Sep 16 16:04:42 if you could build from scratch and post the error I'll try to fix it Sep 16 16:04:50 mithro or mickey|tv was complaining about parts beeing too h3600 specific Sep 16 16:05:04 which seemed odd because i didnt think you had one Sep 16 16:05:56 of *E*? I doubt it Sep 16 16:06:06 you probably misheard Sep 16 16:06:20 misread, rather Sep 16 16:06:28 I'm doing my E stuff on my C3000 Sep 16 16:06:32 I have no other devices Sep 16 16:06:53 * emte shrugges Sep 16 16:07:03 maybe he is using raster's old bb set Sep 16 16:09:06 * JustinP is angry Sep 16 16:09:10 why the hell is this failing? Sep 16 16:09:19 why would the theme file be corrupt? Sep 16 16:09:46 perhaps the switch to the staged cpp.... Sep 16 16:09:59 enian? Sep 16 16:10:03 endian* Sep 16 16:10:28 i hate alsa Sep 16 16:11:22 ::shrug:: Sep 16 16:11:37 its a pain in the arse with digital soundcards Sep 16 16:12:03 by default it disables all but 2 channels and those are default at 1/2 volume Sep 16 16:12:59 and trying to get it out of this mode has so far been ... less than sucessful Sep 16 16:13:04 ? Sep 16 16:13:13 you mean on reboot you lose your settings? Sep 16 16:13:15 yeah, I hate that Sep 16 16:13:22 the right init script can fix that Sep 16 16:13:23 heh Sep 16 16:13:39 I also made a patch for mpd which saves and load ths volume as I was tired of getting my ears blasted Sep 16 16:15:20 its like listening to music durring naptime at an old folks home Sep 16 16:16:00 nah the problem is finding the right magic to make it work fully Sep 16 16:20:30 hmm Sep 16 16:20:39 i dont use mpd ... Sep 16 16:22:21 sounds a lot like xmms2 Sep 16 16:26:06 while i think about it... anyone used nerolinux? Sep 16 16:26:31 curious if it has lightscribe support yet or if taht is the next release Sep 16 16:42:25 * JustinP knows nothing about xmms2 Sep 16 16:42:29 but I like mpd very much Sep 16 16:44:36 sounds like xmms2 may have some mpd-like things...if they use TCP/IP as the transport then it's basically the same Sep 16 16:44:44 mpd is stable and working already, though Sep 16 17:35:54 Hi Sep 16 17:41:18 What would you do for a school project that demostrates an small (yet complete) open embedded system? Sep 16 17:45:51 xbox firewall? Sep 16 17:46:42 What would you do for a school project that demostrates an small (yet complete) open Sep 17 01:08:43 xep! Sep 17 01:09:32 yo Sep 17 01:09:49 what's up? Sep 17 01:10:36 chill wintry breezes Sep 17 01:15:05 * raduga was less certain, but now is more certain :/ Sep 17 01:15:36 of *course* you're xep. There's only one of you, Sep 17 01:15:55 and every time I run into a person with that name I think "oh, it can't be *xep* it must an impostor". Sep 17 01:15:58 but it never is. Sep 17 01:16:46 you have a fiendishly simple, and invidious name. Sep 17 01:38:28 I'm the original xep Sep 17 01:38:40 I never saw anyone else with this nick before and I even searched online Sep 17 01:38:49 it's a shortened form of my old nick xepsilon Sep 17 02:15:31 morning all Sep 17 02:40:28 morning RP **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 17 02:59:56 2005