**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 17 02:59:56 2005 Sep 17 03:02:30 Ciao all. Sep 17 03:25:39 hi Pigi Sep 17 03:48:11 Hi all Sep 17 03:48:33 Does anyone know the status of x/gpe with uclibc? Sep 17 03:48:47 (for kernel 2.6 machines, if that matters) Sep 17 03:52:31 hi RP ! Sep 17 03:54:07 Cwiiis: most of gpe works with uclibc Sep 17 03:54:19 Cwiiis: ask jinidog in #gpe Sep 17 03:54:32 he has gpe running under uclinux Sep 17 03:54:51 OZ was too big and bloated so he now has a 200MB gentoo image.... Sep 17 03:54:58 (spot the irony in that) Sep 17 04:00:24 heh Sep 17 04:03:46 Cwiiis: your best bet is to start a build :) Sep 17 04:05:59 koen: Yeah, think I'll give it a go :) Sep 17 04:08:15 you want to set USE_NLS and different providers for iconv and gettext Sep 17 04:45:24 koen|afk - Do you know what providers I need to set for iconv and gettext? And USE_NLS, is that just an envar that should be set? If so, to what? Sep 17 04:48:41 So what's the current state of play with hostap-modules? I seem to be missing pcmcia_register_client which used to be in ds.c afaik Sep 17 04:54:49 lardman: The exernal module needs patching to catch up with recent kernel changes. The internal kernel module is just plain broken Sep 17 04:55:11 lardman: internal orinoco works with some changes I have locally... Sep 17 04:57:23 RP: This is the external module - are the patches available somewhere? Sep 17 04:57:46 lardman: none exist yet. Someone needs to write them... Sep 17 04:57:53 RP: Ah-ha Sep 17 04:58:15 I'd prefer to just switch to the in kernel module... Sep 17 04:58:57 It can't just be us who are having this problem? Sep 17 05:00:15 lardman: no, but we're just so bleeding edge, we hit it first Sep 17 05:00:19 Off this topic - I want to install some additional files in a bb, should I do this with do_install_prepends() or something like that? Sep 17 05:00:23 RP: Ah, I see Sep 17 05:00:47 Yes, something like that Sep 17 05:01:19 is there a postpends? Sep 17 05:02:08 do_install_append perhaps? Sep 17 05:02:20 sounds promising, thanks Sep 17 05:02:24 Just be careful you don't add sheel script to a python function or something... Sep 17 05:03:07 do_install_append() looks right - lots of output from grep Sep 17 05:21:41 I want to see how oe_libinstall works, but can't find it (find & grep) in my bitbake dir - any ideas? Sep 17 05:23:39 openembedded/classes Sep 17 05:23:52 ah, forgot there was stuff in OE too, thanks Sep 17 05:33:17 RP: the cpufreq patches still apply cleanly (which is no surprise), I suppose I should have a dig around in the timing code for the lcd to work out why we get some flashes just after resume Sep 17 05:35:03 Do we not get them anyway? Sep 17 05:35:37 Not in 2.6.13-mm3, I had to add them - if that's what you mean? Sep 17 05:36:11 I meant do we not get the flashes after resume without the cpufreq patch Sep 17 05:36:28 oh right - not sure, I've not tried it without for a fair while Sep 17 05:36:46 It could be w100fb or the lcd code... Sep 17 05:37:02 It probably sets the backlight to all white at some point... Sep 17 05:37:12 sets the screen to all white even Sep 17 05:37:43 Perhaps all black? I didn't notice any white flashes Sep 17 05:38:33 If it were black, it wouldn't flash? Sep 17 05:38:46 We might be seeing different things Sep 17 05:38:46 perhaps I should have said anti-flashes then Sep 17 05:39:33 03dyoung 07org.oe.dev * r9844b5e0... 10/packages/linux/ (nslu2-kernel_2.6.12.2.bb openslug-kernel-2.6.12.2/defconfig): openslug-kernel: Add the bits to support USB Video Devices Sep 17 05:40:56 03dyoung 07org.oe.dev * r240f9dcb... 10/packages/pvrusb2-mci/ (pvrusb2-mci-20050911/Makefile.patch pvrusb2-mci_20050911.bb): pvrusb2: Add support for the Happauge USB2 PVR Device Sep 17 05:41:00 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r597b1f05... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: hardcode preferrence for 2.6.12-hh3 Sep 17 05:41:07 Wierd, nothing now - just turns on and works straight away after the kernel messages screen has vanished (running at 100MHz) Sep 17 05:41:41 my impression was that the kernel messages screen was vanishing, then coming back - hence the anti-flashing Sep 17 05:41:50 is that another vt? Sep 17 05:43:26 It switches vt, yes Sep 17 05:44:43 With a very low battery, the switch doesn't seem to work very well - it sort of gets stuck re-drawing the opie screen (not sure where the fault lies for this) Sep 17 05:45:49 Not sure either.... Sep 17 05:46:34 Don't worry - just a random report as I saw it happen the other day Sep 17 05:48:08 going back to hostap - there are internal modules which presumably don't work - why's this? Do we apply patches which break them (surely the kernel doesn't go out with broken internals)? Sep 17 05:48:45 Its just been added to the kernel recently and is known broken on several platforms :-( Sep 17 05:48:56 ah, okay Sep 17 05:48:57 Yes, the kernel does have broken internals... Sep 17 05:49:06 We just hide them well... Sep 17 05:49:22 This ide_cs/pcmcia suspend issue is a kernel bug Sep 17 05:49:51 I've not heard of this issue - I've not read the kernel ml for a while Sep 17 05:52:11 lardman: We're the first to find it... Sep 17 05:52:37 how exciting ;) Sep 17 05:54:15 Right, I think I've used oe_libinstall wrongly: I did "oe_libinstall -C src liboctinterp ${D}/${libdir}", and although I have a symlink in ${D}/usr/lib, it points to nothing Sep 17 05:54:56 That is work/octave-2.9.3/install/octave/usr/lib Sep 17 05:56:13 But the correct symlinks exist in tmp/work/octave-2.9.3-r0/image/usr/lib/octave-2.9.3 (I missed out the -r0 bit in the line before) Sep 17 05:56:41 but I've no idea why they are in /lib/octave-2.9.3/ - any suggestions? Sep 17 05:58:15 Actually, I'd be interested to know if just creating a symlink from liboctinterp.so.2.9.3 -> liboctinterp.so is the desired behaviour, or have I run the wrong command? Sep 17 05:59:38 (I guess that arrow should point the other way as liboctinterp.so.2.9.3 exists while liboctinterp.so is the symlink) Sep 17 06:14:20 03dyoung 07org.oe.dev * r18e90def... 10/packages/pvrusb2-mci/ (pvrusb2-mci-20050911/Makefile.patch pvrusb2-mci_20050911.bb): pvrusb2-mci: Add some ugly hackery to define LINUX_ARM_ARCH for nslu2, this should be properly addressed in the future Sep 17 06:17:28 dyoung: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/15/1582.html shows some collateral damage Sep 17 06:18:09 raid, QoS, mousedev, keyboard, serio, etc Sep 17 06:18:56 i added the raid bits at the same time; but forgot to comment it. Sep 17 06:19:54 isnt =n and "is not set" essentially the same anyways? Sep 17 06:20:35 no idea Sep 17 06:24:55 hmm, it looks like oe_libinstall is only used for staging (except in the one example I picked by fluke - efl/imlib2.inc). Is there another way to install libs which aren't picked up? Sep 17 06:25:21 dyoung: yes, it is Sep 17 06:26:23 lardman: install -m 755 foo.so.4.5.4 ${D}{ Sep 17 06:26:27 etc Sep 17 06:26:56 koen: what about making the symlinks? Or is that handled by install -m ? Sep 17 06:28:46 symlinks should go into the -dev package iirc Sep 17 06:29:03 I usually install foo.so.1.2.3 to ${libdir}/foo.so Sep 17 06:30:24 really? Octave requires liboctave.so.2.9.3 + libcruft.so.2.9.3 + liboctinterp.so.2.9.3 to run, should they be packaged seperately somehow? They are built from the same source. Sep 17 06:31:02 Ah, I see what you mean Sep 17 06:31:38 In my (limited) experience, programs often look for libname.so.X rather than libname.so Sep 17 07:28:48 hi Sep 17 07:31:15 hi hrw Sep 17 07:32:19 hrw, would you like test 0.99.154 ? Sep 17 07:32:40 Pigi: it is in cvs already? Sep 17 07:32:56 hrw, since yesterday night. Sep 17 07:33:14 ok Sep 17 07:35:18 ~lart qvfb Sep 17 07:35:18 * ibot burns qvfb to a crisp with a laser Sep 17 07:39:14 pb_: any news on the eabi front? Sep 17 07:39:31 no Sep 17 07:40:03 any news on the pdaXrom RC11 for SL-6000? :) Sep 17 07:40:30 ( other than "it's around the corenrt","please wait", etc.) :) Sep 17 07:40:36 corner Sep 17 07:41:08 miskinis: is that built with OE nowadays? Sep 17 07:41:46 koen: I don't know Sep 17 07:42:14 no it's not, unless they've suddenly come to their senses Sep 17 07:42:25 I don't think so, since there is an "upcoming" improved live-CD Sep 17 07:42:29 for building it. Sep 17 07:42:39 so it's very off topic here Sep 17 07:43:43 hey.. isn't the new windows mobile version coming to vendors soon? anyone know? ;) ;) ;) Sep 17 07:43:50 If you say so, I have not been in this channel before. My association of OE and pdaXrom originated from the fact that the pdaXrom forum is contained in the OE forums. Sep 17 07:44:33 heh Sep 17 07:44:42 those forums have almost nothing todo with OE Sep 17 07:44:45 Disconnect, I think that will always be true Sep 17 07:45:35 on what is an actual off-topic topic.. anyone ever do symbianos programming? (pondering whether its gonna be feasable to slap a series-60 or series-80 front end on opiereader's rendering/processing backend.) Sep 17 07:46:20 long, long time ago (back on my Psion 5) - it was a steep learning curve Sep 17 07:46:29 ah. damn. :( Sep 17 07:46:36 rocket science supposedly for "Hello World" Sep 17 07:46:43 there are good tutorials and things though Sep 17 07:47:27 yeah, hello world was only a small step down from a full app ;) Sep 17 07:47:36 well, perhaps I'm overstating it a bit Sep 17 07:48:46 if the backend is cleanly separated, you may be okay in truth. They were always really big on separating out the view & engine, etc. Sep 17 07:48:53 I thought I saw "series 60" in the Nokia Developer's Suite emulator as having MIDP support, right? Sep 17 07:49:28 I think so. I'd check but my phone is downstairs ;) Sep 17 07:49:45 If so, you can use JAVA and the MIDP APIs Sep 17 07:49:57 * Disconnect is figuring on a native app tho - opie-reader is already c/c++, so no major backend rewrite will be needed... Sep 17 07:50:40 oh yeah - try lots of renaming to be done to fit it to the 'interesting' scheme they use for everything Sep 17 07:50:56 I'm a little curious now though... Sep 17 07:51:05 Do you have the 6010 ? Sep 17 07:51:23 yah.. although it looks like if I'm not worried about sizeof() I can use the old names internally. just need the specific sized versions on the file side. Sep 17 07:51:24 Disconnect: though if it's all self contained, you may get away without needing to do too much of that Sep 17 07:51:55 miskinis: sendo x now (series-60) and looking at getting a nokia 9500 next month (or sooner if the auctions work out but I doubt they will ;) ..) Sep 17 07:52:59 oh, not familiar with those. I just had to return all my prototypes of some phones, as I got layed of from a company developing a JAVA-based oS Sep 17 07:53:23 9500 is the new communicator (clamshell-keyboard-fun-goodness) with wifi. symbian series-80. Sep 17 07:54:00 saw a nokia 6010 on ebay, OH.. YES, that opens and has a keyboard, I saw an ad on TV about a month ago, and saw a couple on ebay as well Sep 17 07:55:00 there is the old one (9200) which a friend had years ago, before gsm was big in the states. (he was at uunet R&D, they dumped 10 on the table and said "who wants to play with it"..) it was largish but still phone-like.. then the 9200i etc .. now the 9500 (wifi, camera, goodness) and 9300 (cheaper, no wifi/camera, slightly smaller, not as good) are out. Sep 17 07:56:06 Pigi: looks like .152 and .153 errors are fixed in .154 Sep 17 07:56:32 are they ? That's a good news. So I can start hunt for others bug :) Sep 17 07:56:57 http://www.mobile.poce.cz/kclankum/9500/9500vs9210.jpg - 9500 on the left (color outside screen, color inside screen) older 9200 on the right Sep 17 07:57:09 anyway. gonna keep reading tutorials and deciding if its worth doing ;) Sep 17 07:57:14 thanks :) Sep 17 07:57:16 Pigi: atleast opie-image can be build with .154 even then I revert last change on opie-mediaplayer2 Sep 17 07:57:42 I will add .154 into repo Sep 17 07:58:11 Disconnect, interesting... Sep 17 07:58:44 sorry hrm what do you mean with " even then I revert last change on opie-mediaplayer2" ? Sep 17 07:59:19 Pigi: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/15/1577.html Sep 17 07:59:21 allaboutsymbian.com has more details if you are curious. the 9300 can be had relatively cheaply these days. and 9200 is -very- cheap. Sep 17 07:59:52 koen, thx. Sep 17 07:59:59 Pigi: opie-mediaplayer2 depend on opie-mp-skin (vitrual) and recommend opie-mp-skin-default. with 153 I had to move opie-mp-skin-default to depends to get package installable Sep 17 08:01:09 Disconnect, thanks, but I'm still trying to get my Zaurus SL-6000 and SL-5500 to "become" MIDP devices, but at some point I may have to aquire a real device Sep 17 08:02:04 Part of my job was to refine a MIDP implementation, and now I don't even have a device! Sep 17 08:03:21 midp phones are cheap. Sep 17 08:03:43 although it would be nice if the Z had a decent portable java platform ;) Sep 17 08:04:06 huh? I use one now! Sep 17 08:04:16 and MIDP, although not 100% Sep 17 08:04:30 opensource java platform Sep 17 08:04:37 Gah. The pcmcia maintainer is evidently testing his code. His resume function calls the suspend method... Sep 17 08:04:50 Did I understand that you were speaking about MIDP frontend and C/C++ backend. That is not possible. Some symbians like Nokia 9000 series has however also a personal java support and that allows calling native code from java... Sep 17 08:05:53 I use the blackdown JVM to run things under pdaXrom, and can compile using the JDK 1.1.8, by pointing the blackdown JVM at the javac (compiler) in the 1.1.8 classes.zip :) Sep 17 08:05:55 lamikr: no, talking about laying a native series-80 frontend on opie-reader's existing backend. (in theory - heh - just replacing the system-facing parts would work. change the sized types to the new symbian API, write the gui, update the file handling...) Sep 17 08:06:03 Pigi: pushed Sep 17 08:06:16 http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=9d57b6c27625115d741a40148c595586cd5ab48c Sep 17 08:06:21 hrw, thanks Sep 17 08:06:23 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9d57b6c2... 10/packages/ipkg/ (ipkg-native_0.99.154.bb ipkg_0.99.154.bb): Sep 17 08:06:23 added ipkg 0.99.154 Sep 17 08:06:23 - this version has fixed Provides: problem from 0.99.152 and Depends: from .153 Sep 17 08:06:23 - changset 5b224b4c91dec0b22ff45bec26fb18a01889e139 can be reverted now Sep 17 08:06:44 miskinis: j2me works? Sep 17 08:07:12 for MIDP, I have ben trying out the ME4SE recently, which has "midlet runner" which you point at the MIDLET's .jar file :) Sep 17 08:07:41 Disconnect, it's actually J2SE 1.3 (maybe dot 1) Sep 17 08:08:13 Hold one, I'll give you a link that will blow your mind Sep 17 08:08:19 Hold on Sep 17 08:09:08 http://www.javaground.be/BreakM_play.html - If you jave a JAVA enabled browser, the MIDLET will start Sep 17 08:12:17 cool Sep 17 08:12:39 I just played a game, I can't seem to resist one everytime I visit that page :) Sep 17 08:12:46 heh Sep 17 08:15:11 Disconnect: will you maintain corsair in OE? Sep 17 08:17:21 if I can solve the osx building issues. so ... we'll see. alternately I need to get my old system set back up (hmm. actually.. yah. its got capacity.) ok.. so .. yes once I get my old desktop back on the desk and turned on. Sep 17 08:17:59 Disconnect: so tell me: name surname to put in MAINTAINER field and I will push it Sep 17 08:20:01 hrw: I was thinking about a conf/maintainer.conf for people who maintain a lot (>5) of packages Sep 17 08:20:16 so you can change email addresses a little easier Sep 17 08:20:58 nice idea Sep 17 08:21:07 NOTE: package corsair-0.2.0+cvs20050912-r0: task do_build: completed Sep 17 08:21:37 * Disconnect seems to recall having this same discussion with CRL 'way back when' (1999? early 2000?) where it was observed that a> 'disconnect' is a legal alias in the USA and b> the issue isn't "who am I" its "am I the same I that should have access" (gpg keys, etc). Sep 17 08:21:42 cool Sep 17 08:21:46 brb, grabbing my old desktop Sep 17 08:21:59 Disconnect: author wrote that starting from next ver he will provide source archives Sep 17 08:22:39 excellent Sep 17 08:22:58 Disconnect: so tell me: name surname to put in MAINTAINER field Sep 17 08:23:35 nick is good for irc but not for that field Sep 17 08:31:03 Disconnect: keep in mind that we have to finally release oz354/fam083 - when corsair will be pushed after release then it wont rather go into feed Sep 17 08:31:07 hi keturn Sep 17 08:31:10 kergoth: hi Sep 17 08:31:12 ~lart tab Sep 17 08:31:12 * ibot squishes tab like a bug Sep 17 08:31:20 hey Sep 17 08:32:03 'morning kergoth Sep 17 08:32:57 cu all Sep 17 08:33:02 Disconnect: write to ML Sep 17 08:35:42 cu all for me too Sep 17 08:35:55 hi kergoth Sep 17 08:39:02 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r154208ed... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-mm3.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Fix the pcmcia card resume problem (introduced by the pcmcia maintainer). Add tosa to the list of devices to enforce a kernel size limit on. Sep 17 08:39:06 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r84f9b4d8... 10/packages/orinoco/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add firmware generation package for spectrum wireless LAN cards. Sep 17 08:56:10 bye Sep 17 09:43:23 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r6b658da7... 10/.mt-attrs: Add firmware generation package for spectrum wireless LAN cards. Sep 17 09:43:27 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r39f8b722... 10/packages/hostap/hostap-modules_0.4.4.bb: hostap: Add fixes so it builds correctly for kernels > 2.6.13 Sep 17 09:43:31 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rc9c47277... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf: zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf: Switch to the in kernel verison of orinoco/spectrum wireless LAN driver (tested and works). Sep 17 09:50:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0a6a4345... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Sep 17 09:50:58 packages/matchbox-wm/matchbox-wm_svn.bb: make PV conform to OE standards Sep 17 09:50:58 conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: use mb-wm svn till mallum releases a new version Sep 17 10:43:43 hi all Sep 17 10:44:23 I am still having problem with building the opie-image, can anyone help me out here? Sep 17 10:48:16 anyone here? Sep 17 10:59:45 anyone here? Sep 17 10:59:52 yeah Sep 17 11:00:13 hi Sep 17 11:00:32 have you build the opie-image before? Sep 17 11:00:44 hi abm_y4k Sep 17 11:01:19 abm_y4k: actually no, I am using oe as i386 embedded build system. no handhelds...sorry Sep 17 11:01:43 oh ic, its ok Sep 17 11:02:01 abm_y4k: still, what is your problem, I solved a lot of probl. on the i386 Sep 17 11:02:19 I am trying to get help on building it, because I have spent 4 days on it and still stuck on the dependency problem Sep 17 11:02:33 abm_y4k: tell me Sep 17 11:02:40 I got this error while building: Sep 17 11:02:41 Collected errors: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-opie-extra-apps: opie-mediaplayer2-skin Sep 17 11:03:09 abm_y4k: is that it? Sep 17 11:03:19 what I did is , I checkout the oe.db branch, and re-touch the local.conf, and bitbake opie-image Sep 17 11:03:38 yea thats the only error show in the do_rootfs log Sep 17 11:04:05 ah, ok, so your compile goes through, only the root fs does not build? Sep 17 11:04:19 but bitbake already built the opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default bb file Sep 17 11:04:26 yes Sep 17 11:04:52 ok, hold on, I saw a similar prob before, let me look at my notes... Sep 17 11:05:03 I am think its because there is no opie-mediaplayer2-skin bb file in the opie-mediaplayer2 package Sep 17 11:05:21 only the opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default bb files, will this a cause? Sep 17 11:05:26 ok Sep 17 11:05:42 abm_y4k: hold on just a few secs.. :-) Sep 17 11:05:46 ok Sep 17 11:06:24 abm_y4k: There is a fix for this mentioned in oe@hh.org Sep 17 11:06:54 where? Sep 17 11:07:12 abm_y4k: The Openembedded mailing list Sep 17 11:07:19 oe@handhelds.org Sep 17 11:07:35 I haven't register on the mailing list yet Sep 17 11:08:06 will it be too late to see that fix? Sep 17 11:08:19 It does have archives... Sep 17 11:08:22 In summary: Pull latest OE, rebuild opie-mediaplayer2, meta-opie and opie-image Sep 17 11:08:39 abm_y4k: if you like I can post the message on pastebin Sep 17 11:08:43 Although I should really make you do the work in looking it up... Sep 17 11:09:02 yea Sep 17 11:09:17 I am going to register the list now Sep 17 11:09:36 chris: sure, post to me Sep 17 11:09:41 pastebin? Sep 17 11:10:00 abm_y4k: all oe users are recommended to subscribe Sep 17 11:10:16 ok Sep 17 11:10:43 abm_y4k: try pastebin.ca in your browser Sep 17 11:11:13 ok, there Sep 17 11:11:40 abm_y4k: http://pastebin.ca/23210 Sep 17 11:11:58 abm_y4k: I hope it is the right message, let me know Sep 17 11:12:43 I saw it now, thankx for the help Sep 17 11:12:50 I am going to give it a try now Sep 17 11:13:09 to re-build opie-image take me another 2 days :( Sep 17 11:13:33 abm_y4k: I am glad to be able to help. I got a tremendous amount of help on that channel when I was a newbie... Sep 17 11:14:08 ^_^ Sep 17 11:14:16 .-) Sep 17 11:14:19 :-) Sep 17 11:18:05 hey chris144|home Sep 17 11:18:26 hi koen Sep 17 11:19:25 koen: it is probably not polit to jump right on you when you show up but... :-) Sep 17 11:19:47 I am still trying to get glibc built on i386... Sep 17 11:20:45 I get these _h_errno errors that you might have heard about. (well, somebody said they do not happen on non i386 arch) Sep 17 11:21:18 so I am trying to fix that. So how do I build a glibc with cvs date of today? Sep 17 11:21:54 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r912340c2... 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Update to 2.6.14-rc1-mm1 which the external hostap will work better against. Update defconfigs to include orinoco, spectrum and hostap modules (although still use the external hostap for now). Sep 17 11:22:45 for some reason I do not get glibc_cvs built. Even when I set PREFERRED_VERSION_gelibc="cvs" it says there is no version "cvs". Any idea? Sep 17 11:23:04 yeah Sep 17 11:23:10 'cvs' isn't a version Sep 17 11:23:28 glibc_cvs.bb sets PV = "2.3.5+cvs${CVSDATE}" Sep 17 11:23:46 so PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc="2.3.5+cvs${CVSDATE}" would work Sep 17 11:24:01 koen: OK Sep 17 11:24:23 or you can edit glibc_2.3.5+cvs20050627.bb and remove the CVSDATE line Sep 17 11:24:52 koen: cool. always a pleasure, yes, that makes sense :-) :-) thanks Sep 17 11:25:48 * chris144|home tries the koen glibc recipe... Sep 17 11:30:15 hail zecke Sep 17 11:31:36 hey Sep 17 11:31:41 irssi from my ibook Sep 17 11:31:49 congrats Sep 17 11:31:51 I'm tempted to install ubuntu as well Sep 17 11:31:55 zecke: rock Sep 17 11:32:18 pb_: just another year and I have ervything set up Sep 17 11:34:43 zecke: yeah, I heard kde takes a while to download these days Sep 17 11:35:10 zecke: did you see http://www.opensync.org/wiki/irmc-screenshots ? Sep 17 11:35:28 koen: no, but I know the code Sep 17 11:35:40 pb_: hehe, I have screen+irssi from fink Sep 17 11:36:11 I've an amusing picture of my living room, one NES and two ibooks, and Afri Cola Sep 17 11:39:53 pb_: I'm slowly starting to feel more relaxed :) Sep 17 11:39:59 wow Sep 17 11:40:06 monotone is *fast* on powerpc Sep 17 11:40:23 zecke: hehe Sep 17 11:41:10 pb_: More sleep helps Sep 17 11:41:20 koen: monotone is not in my fink install... Sep 17 11:41:43 zecke: venge.net/monotone has an osx static binary Sep 17 11:41:53 http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone-0.22-osx.bz2 Sep 17 11:42:10 bunzip it and move it to /usr/local/bin Sep 17 11:42:37 koen: I try to add it to fink, or I use OE to replace fink.. Sep 17 11:43:01 no darwinports? Sep 17 11:43:13 I'd thought a bsd hippie like you would love that Sep 17 11:43:26 koen: I did not know that Sep 17 11:43:43 koen: I'm tempted to use 'encryption' for my home Sep 17 11:43:56 I did manage to screw up both dp and fink :) Sep 17 11:44:17 koen: can I have virtual terminals on my GUI as well? Sep 17 12:02:29 cya later Sep 17 12:20:14 koen: glibc+cvs20050917 is building. thanks for your help. Sep 17 12:21:11 cool Sep 17 12:34:23 ok, scummvm's buildsystem has annoyed me long enough Sep 17 12:34:41 * koen sets up an nfs share to make a native buildenv Sep 17 15:43:05 * memeruiz notice that ipkg is not working in today's metadata. Sep 17 15:56:30 hi mickeyl Sep 17 15:57:20 good evennig Sep 17 15:57:24 evening, too Sep 17 15:58:00 mickeyl: I've done my best to get us a working kernel for oz 3.5.4 - its either this, or fall back to 2.6.13-rc5-mm1 Sep 17 15:58:25 ok. we need to settle on one asap. I started a build a couple of minutes ago to test the current state Sep 17 15:59:06 I've made it a priority today to sort issues. I don't like changing but its the only way to avoid bugs Sep 17 15:59:27 of course. out of interest, what did they break this time? Sep 17 15:59:33 who, pcmcia? Sep 17 16:00:22 They're converting pcmcia to the driver model. To do this, they added suspend/resume functions and rewrote how attach/dettach works Sep 17 16:00:50 in the process, they broke the suspend/resume as the resume function called the suspend methods :) Sep 17 16:01:22 I bet he was red faced when he saw my patch fixing it :) Sep 17 16:02:03 hah Sep 17 16:02:04 :) Sep 17 16:02:28 anyway, I Sep 17 16:02:36 'm grateful for uniying the pcmcia model Sep 17 16:02:54 i've always been a bit put off by how it was more or less separated from the rest of the kernel Sep 17 16:03:12 even if that means i have to rewrite anything that talks to it Sep 17 16:03:13 heh Sep 17 16:05:55 By the time they're finished, the drivers will be rewritten and it will be a good thing Sep 17 16:06:19 Its why I want to switch to in kernel modules ASAP - easier :) Sep 17 16:06:56 that may be true, however it remains to be seen how they develop in kernel Sep 17 16:07:13 You don't see them going well? Sep 17 16:07:42 e.g. hostap is pretty healthy out of tree, i don't see their maintainers that much interested in keeping it up to date in kernel. Sep 17 16:08:07 I see all the external modules dieing off to be honest Sep 17 16:08:44 But I don't know the developers of them well Sep 17 16:09:31 for 2.6 that may be true, however one of the nice things of out-of-tree modules in OE was that we had a consistent state of external modules. Sep 17 16:09:48 no matter how retarded the kernel we were using them with Sep 17 16:10:52 The ethusiasm for making them work with old retarted kernels will probably dull with time Sep 17 16:11:01 *nod* Sep 17 16:11:20 The other problem is that the mainline changes in 2.6 will mean an entirely different module is needed before long Sep 17 16:11:27 didnt the kernel team decide to stop supporting all the arm, mips, etc branches in 2.6? Sep 17 16:11:56 They merged the code into mainline 2.6 Sep 17 16:12:10 There is no arm branch because you don't need one Sep 17 16:13:53 hmm, then why is/are most of the sa stuff missing in 2.6? Sep 17 16:14:17 because it wasn't up to par Sep 17 16:14:25 and no one was interested in shaping it up Sep 17 16:15:10 interested or accepted? Sep 17 16:15:14 interested. Sep 17 16:15:26 sa is old technology Sep 17 16:15:47 so is i386 Sep 17 16:16:58 cobalt gives me a headache ... Sep 17 16:17:00 most SA-stuff is there now. ucb and mcp got merged some days ago. the big missing thing is SA-usb and drivers, drivers, drivers. the latter ones are up to the respective interest groups to supply them. Sep 17 16:17:33 could they have done anything more convoluted ... Sep 17 16:18:13 yeah i expect most of eth kernel developers want to do 32/64 stuff instead of embedded chips Sep 17 16:22:26 perhaps it's time for us to also make a cut and stop supporting 2.4-only models Sep 17 16:22:28 (speaking as OZ developer here, not OE guy) Sep 17 16:23:01 that only works for oz Sep 17 16:23:14 most of the ipaqs still use 2.4 no? Sep 17 16:23:21 yeah Sep 17 16:24:14 it would be nice to have everything atleast in the current kernel tree ... Sep 17 16:24:56 as far as kernels go it was a pertty quick jump from 2.4 to 2.6 Sep 17 16:25:06 For OZ, 2.6 only is fast becomming a realistic proposition Sep 17 16:25:18 mickeyl: good evening Sep 17 16:25:24 good evening pb_ Sep 17 16:25:42 good evening pb_ Sep 17 16:26:08 hi rp Sep 17 16:26:37 excuse me, help me please Sep 17 16:26:52 netnix, more info helps Sep 17 16:26:54 what kind of help do you require? Sep 17 16:26:58 are you drowning? on fire? Sep 17 16:26:59 i try to build task-bootstrap for jornada6xx Sep 17 16:27:18 but build glibc is failed Sep 17 16:27:25 ah, that is unfortunate Sep 17 16:27:57 glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0 builds fine here. which version are you attempting to build? Sep 17 16:28:21 i think it time to stop fighting with cobalt for a while .... i just for got how to spell: pwd Sep 17 16:28:31 glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0, | : undefined reference to `__sigsetjmp' Sep 17 16:28:31 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Sep 17 16:29:03 mm, that sounds like your platform is not supported by that version of glibc. Sep 17 16:29:21 is the jornada6xx the SuperH one? Sep 17 16:29:38 عز3 Sep 17 16:29:40 sh3 Sep 17 16:30:08 I guess a different glibc is required, but I don't really know anything about sh. Sep 17 16:36:35 g'night folks Sep 17 16:36:59 'night mickey|zzZZzz Sep 17 16:37:34 mickey|zzZZzz: sweet dreams Sep 17 16:38:38 nigth Sep 17 20:55:07 i've got a problem compiling SDL_mixer,,, Sep 17 22:05:36 hi all Sep 17 22:09:20 how come I don't get any language set(no words, just icons) in opie when I built it with bitbake opie-image? Sep 17 22:40:44 anyone? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 18 02:59:56 2005