**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 01 02:59:56 2005 Oct 01 04:30:02 hey Oct 01 04:37:07 morning Oct 01 04:48:13 morning Oct 01 04:48:16 FYI: monotone 0.23 is out Oct 01 04:50:47 morning mickeyl Oct 01 04:53:18 btw., mercurial looks pretty interesting nowadays. Once they put out 1.0 I'll have a go at converting our repository to its format and playing with it Oct 01 05:11:16 re mickeyl Oct 01 05:11:31 hi Oct 01 05:32:38 hi koen Oct 01 05:32:41 hey woglinde Oct 01 05:35:45 hi pb Oct 01 05:40:51 hi woglinde Oct 01 05:41:17 hm has someone infos about the hp pcmcia vga card? Oct 01 05:41:30 some one is selling it on ebay Oct 01 05:42:53 I think there is some support for those in the X server. Oct 01 05:43:03 http://wearables.blu.org/wear-hard-05/2005286.html Oct 01 05:43:08 hm Oct 01 05:46:02 ah http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/howtos/netbook_new/x583.htm Oct 01 05:47:41 hey pb__ Oct 01 05:54:35 hi reenoo_ Oct 01 06:15:29 hi there Oct 01 06:15:57 hey benoit Oct 01 06:16:17 i'm trying to build GPE for my iPAQ hx2750 using OE Oct 01 06:16:51 and i read the OE web site "Getting Started" and "DirectoryStructure" page Oct 01 06:17:14 are there any other documentation since it's a bit short Oct 01 06:17:31 i've managed to download the monotone repository (24 hours for that!) Oct 01 06:17:48 and started cross compiling (nano works, but not gpe-image since it fails on the kernel) Oct 01 06:17:59 so, i would to know where to find more documentation Oct 01 06:21:24 * pb___ going home Oct 01 06:24:22 no one ? :-( Oct 01 06:28:15 ? Oct 01 06:30:05 hmm... Oct 01 06:30:50 Why does it fail on the kernel, if I may ask? Oct 01 06:32:56 what fails and on which kernel? Oct 01 06:33:53 ups Oct 01 06:34:05 should read in context Oct 01 06:34:34 woglinde: i try to build for iPaq hx2750 Oct 01 06:34:43 benoit there is a section for getting a actual montone snapshot and than update Oct 01 06:34:56 i selected "generic" DISTRO and pxa-270 for the machine Oct 01 06:35:15 sorry have no experience with the ipaqs Oct 01 06:35:18 that won't work Oct 01 06:35:47 hummm ... there's an image availabe for this iPaq (mostly working) Oct 01 06:36:48 and i don't know how is has been build, except it is said it's using OE Oct 01 06:37:06 reenoo_: why it won't work? Oct 01 06:45:03 you'll want to use either familiar-0.8.3 or openzaurus-3.5.4 for DISTRO Oct 01 06:46:35 and probably rebuild from scratch Oct 01 06:47:55 then get back with the actual error message if it occurs again Oct 01 06:48:04 ~pastebin Oct 01 06:48:05 hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ Oct 01 06:48:22 ok Oct 01 06:48:39 for familiar-0.8.3, i got a message saying that it's no longer supported Oct 01 06:48:51 on the org.openembedded.dev branch Oct 01 06:48:58 and that i should use another branch Oct 01 06:49:12 the actual error message is a the "extraversion" patch failing on the linux kernel Oct 01 06:50:12 so? do what it tells you and use the other branch Oct 01 06:51:41 that's what i'm doing now. but since it's so time consuming Oct 01 06:51:52 and would like to read more documentation or get some help in the mean time Oct 01 06:52:35 other than what's in the wiki and mickeyl's fosdem slides there is no documentation yet Oct 01 06:52:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra08a0a22... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.12-hh3.bb: packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.12-hh3.bb: remove extraversion patch since it has been applied upstream Oct 01 06:58:49 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r83b88aeb... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.12-hh3.bb: packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.12-hh3.bb: extraversion patch has been applied upstream Oct 01 06:58:52 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * re58794da... 10/packages/gpe-themes/gpe-theme-foxbox_0.1.bb: apply gpe-theme-foxbox DEPENDS tweak 9154759cac045483461cf045464e4c776dad10f2 from org.oe.dev Oct 01 06:58:56 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * ra2c893da... 10/packages/gpe-themes/gpe-theme-clearlooks_0.3.bb: apply gpe-theme-clearlooks tweak 2ee92374446758a6e4eb30e6b81483816ae44575 from org.oe.dev Oct 01 07:00:34 reenoo_: :-( Oct 01 07:04:33 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r60dab3d4... 10/packages/hostap/ (4 files in 2 dirs): apply 4 new card definitions for hostap d4faf26868bd562ea0eb604831b806f3b7dfe30f and 89f274098b158a9480118d95836134125095870f from org.oe.dev Oct 01 07:04:38 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf8db97aa... 10/packages/pcmcia-cs/ (files/network.conf pcmcia-cs_3.2.8.bb): apply 2 Ethernet card definitions for pcmcia-cs - 11b5e30a771118d928d6f2f2da5fd35b51d15b70 from org.oe.dev Oct 01 07:05:30 JustinP: can you give an ACK on the e patches in http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350? Oct 01 07:22:47 could someone tell me why I have this error while compiling sqlite ? Oct 01 07:22:52 | ./.libs/libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `pthread_create' Oct 01 07:22:53 | ./.libs/libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `pthread_join' Oct 01 07:23:34 missing -lpthread I suppose Oct 01 07:23:45 in the bb file ? Oct 01 07:25:40 in the linker command line arguments Oct 01 07:26:31 i just do a bitbake -b /zaurus/org.openembedded.dev/packages/sqlite/sqlite3_3.2.7.bb Oct 01 07:27:07 as it fails when building opie-image, i wanted to try to compile it alone Oct 01 07:41:55 adding -lpthread make it works fine Oct 01 07:42:19 i think there is a problem in the sqlite bb file Oct 01 07:42:51 or in opie-image Oct 01 08:27:18 I finally got handhelds-pxa-2.6 to generate the /etc/modutils files in each kernel module package, but I'm not seeing them in build/tmp/rootfs. Do these files get installed on first boot, not by do_rootfs? Oct 01 08:27:52 are these post installs? Oct 01 08:28:00 let me check... Oct 01 08:30:32 I think so; kernel.bbclass does this: bb.data.setVar('pkg_postinst_%s' % pkg, postinst, d) Oct 01 08:32:46 so the post installs will run when "ipkg-cl configure" runs? Oct 01 08:40:52 03nail 07org.oe.dev * rd712046f... 10/packages/udev/ (files/init udev_070.bb): Oct 01 08:40:52 udev: Make sure we're using busybox's mount when moving .static mount. Oct 01 08:40:52 (busybox mount uses "-o move" vs. util-linux mount "--move") Oct 01 08:40:56 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r3af749f4... 10/conf/distro/openslug.conf: Re-add udev to the firmware image. The change appears to have been lost somewhere Oct 01 08:51:19 03nail 07org.oe.dev * rf8b587c0... 10/packages/util-linux/ (util-linux.inc util-linux_2.12q.bb): util-linux: change hwclock u-a prio to be lower than busybox Oct 01 09:01:14 morning kergoth Oct 01 09:36:01 koen: meaning you've applied them? Thanks. I'll be checking in another revision in a minute which should go into the release branch. Oct 01 09:36:23 JustinP: I've not yet applied them Oct 01 09:36:28 you mentioned testing it again Oct 01 09:36:40 and I went offline before knowing the outcome Oct 01 09:36:46 koen: oh, can I *give* an ACK Oct 01 09:36:51 koen: yes, they work Oct 01 09:36:52 yes :) Oct 01 09:37:38 I'll apply them tonight or tomorrow Oct 01 09:38:47 thanks Oct 01 09:47:55 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r27d97f68... 10/packages/ixp4xx/ (ixp-osal_1.5.bb ixp4xx-csr_1.5.bb): Oct 01 09:47:56 ixp4xx: corrected licenses and dependencies Oct 01 09:47:56 It is necessary to download the .zip files from Intel by hand before Oct 01 09:47:56 building this package. Oct 01 09:52:46 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r16e005d2... 10/packages/ (5 files in 2 dirs): efl, e17: use cvs:// instead of viewcvs for SRC_URI Oct 01 09:54:24 JustinP: What kind of sizes are we looking at for the e-images these days? Oct 01 09:55:28 lardman: I haven't done any work on making them smaller, so same as before Oct 01 09:55:39 JustinP: Okay Oct 01 09:55:53 lardman: I've been working for the past weeks on just getting ti to work again.....it stopped working for me, not sure why Oct 01 09:56:10 JustinP: Don't worry, I was just wondering Oct 01 10:27:12 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r66b8d8c4... 10/conf/machine/h2200.conf: conf/machine/h2200.conf: add machine config for the iPAQ h22xx since it uses different jffs2 params as h3900.conf Oct 01 10:57:53 arrgh Oct 01 10:58:11 this .m4 has uuencoded test binaries in it Oct 01 10:58:21 W T F Oct 01 10:59:00 that does sound a bit bizarre. Oct 01 10:59:08 ew Oct 01 11:00:08 which packagE? Oct 01 11:00:34 actually it's java bytecode but still Oct 01 11:00:41 cp-tools Oct 01 11:01:04 I'm desperately trying to get a working javah Oct 01 11:01:18 kaffeh outputs garbage Oct 01 11:27:14 has anyone been having problems with bluez-utils-dbus compiling? Oct 01 11:35:15 ACTION  Oct 01 11:42:00 hey chris144|home Oct 01 11:42:17 hi koen Oct 01 11:43:19 I am just working on hrtimers-support.bb (some hi res timer stuff see http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/ Oct 01 11:43:29 chris144|home: did you see http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/37/3750.html ? Oct 01 11:43:54 koen: nope, should I look at it? Oct 01 11:44:01 yes :) Oct 01 11:44:10 koen: ok hold on... Oct 01 11:49:38 koen: ooops, actually yes, my glibc build started, and failed later on. Unfortunalety I had reported the success on irc a bit early. However... Oct 01 11:50:55 koen: in the meantime I made (really) glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 compile with nptl on x86. It was an issue, that all that __thread stuff and some more is not supported for i3866. Oct 01 11:51:31 koen: glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 however compiles cleanly for target i586 ! Oct 01 11:52:17 ok Oct 01 11:52:26 koen: my problem was that I also played with klibc which needs TARGET=i386, That screwed my glibc build. Fixed klibc in the meantime to compile with i586. Oct 01 11:52:41 koen: quite some interesting stuff, but all x86. Oct 01 11:53:16 koen: ok, I don't want to bore you with all my x86 stuff... :-) Oct 01 11:56:46 koen: BTW: as soon as I add PACKAGES += "${PN}-test" and FILES_${PN}-test = "${bindir}" I get IPKs with a different name than the ${PN}. Quite strange. Oct 01 11:57:04 koen: ...to one of my custom packages. Oct 01 11:58:33 as if there is something done automatically dependant on the PACKAGES and FILES usage/content Oct 01 11:58:43 I couldnt figure it out yet. Oct 01 12:00:13 ok call for diner, I'll be back later Oct 01 13:42:42 Twiun: jfyi: the javah from cp-tools appears to work fine Oct 01 14:01:54 reenoo_: that's good to know, thanks Oct 01 14:14:07 JustinP: your e patches are in .oz354fam083 Oct 01 14:18:26 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r7acef210... 10/ (76 files in 12 dirs): Oct 01 14:18:26 Apply e patches from org.oe.dev: Oct 01 14:18:26 * major efl/e17 update Oct 01 14:18:26 * fix for entrance problem Oct 01 14:18:26 * use cvs instead of viewcvs Oct 01 14:21:12 * koen|tv paints 'I will run monotone update before commit' on the wall in front of him Oct 01 14:21:50 hehe Oct 01 14:22:15 better write a script for that Oct 01 14:22:35 yeah, I use that for .dev Oct 01 14:22:47 for some reason I decided not to use that for the other branch Oct 01 14:24:26 hi Oct 01 14:24:50 koen|tv: thanks Oct 01 14:24:53 hey toruvinn Oct 01 14:25:23 i asked in #openzaurus, but they seem to be dead. anyway, i'm using OZ 3.5.3. anyone tried to import contacts from siemens me45? Oct 01 14:25:37 toruvinn: topic 3rd item Oct 01 14:25:54 oh well Oct 01 14:35:02 good night guys Oct 01 14:37:39 mickeyl: haven't had the time to advance much on the akita Oct 01 14:38:57 was the montone server down? Oct 01 14:39:09 i tried the other day, and when it didn't work, got frustrated and gave up Oct 01 14:39:19 jnc: we have 3 backup servers Oct 01 14:39:20 monotone* Oct 01 14:39:31 oh okay, i'm in the USA, which one would you suggest/ Oct 01 14:40:16 any of the ones in http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted Oct 01 14:41:09 i only saw monotone.vanille.de Oct 01 14:41:22 what did i miss? Oct 01 14:41:35 oh! got it Oct 01 14:41:38 thanks koen Oct 01 15:01:49 oh well, thanks, bye. ;-) Oct 01 15:02:42 any of you know about a program that lets you link resources together with a code into an executable? Oct 01 15:05:29 resources like images? Oct 01 15:05:41 yes. Oct 01 15:06:25 isnt that what wysiwyg apps do? Oct 01 15:07:32 I know gdk-pixbuf-csource and cdump do something like that Oct 01 15:07:40 they convert images to C Oct 01 15:07:50 which is problably not what you want Oct 01 15:11:03 no, i was more thinking along a preprocessor that embeds arbitrary files directly into an executable and makes them available via a dedicated ID or a virtual path or so. Oct 01 15:11:20 like a special linker or so Oct 01 15:12:03 ELF should be able to handle that Oct 01 15:12:19 mickeyl: sounds very win32-ish Oct 01 15:12:24 or macintosh-ish Oct 01 15:13:59 yes, this is pretty common on win32 and Mac . Oct 01 15:14:17 sounds wrong to me but yeah Oct 01 15:15:23 I've just became aware of a class library that might make me code win32 apps again Oct 01 15:15:25 :D Oct 01 15:16:20 MFC666 ? Oct 01 15:16:21 :) Oct 01 15:16:30 no, thanks, been there, done that Oct 01 15:16:32 i shrivel up and die a little inside, when i think of win32 code Oct 01 15:18:08 ibot: juce is a very promising portable C++ class library for MacOS, Win32, and Linux/X11. See http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/ Oct 01 15:18:09 mickeyl: okay Oct 01 15:19:15 looks like an OO sdl clone Oct 01 15:19:34 nah. sdl is just messy. juce is pretty good organized Oct 01 15:19:47 you are right, of course, in the internals Oct 01 15:19:59 the technique is the same. it's drawing everything but the common dialogs on its own Oct 01 15:20:21 makes sense for some apps. not for all, of course Oct 01 15:21:03 Embedded stuff drag me away from my original passion, which is writing Audio/Midi Software. Oct 01 15:21:11 (and using it to produce music, of course) Oct 01 15:22:42 mickeyl: ah, this is a crapshoot to ask, would you know where i could get involved and be contributing to a Ruby language based midi hardware synth librarian? Oct 01 15:22:49 JSynthLib just ain't doing it for me Oct 01 15:22:58 JAVA sucks in Linux Oct 01 15:23:05 *nod* Oct 01 15:23:22 i've got the hard synths and time to figure out how to add modules, but to write a whole app i would not have a clue Oct 01 15:24:03 also i'm thinking about using my Zaurus c3000 as a sequencer Oct 01 15:24:06 this is a pioneer work. no one tackled such an app in Linux yet. Oct 01 15:24:11 ah Oct 01 15:24:13 you could check with the folks @ http://www.jacklab.net/index.php?lang=en_EN Oct 01 15:24:26 thanks man Oct 01 15:24:29 np Oct 01 15:24:41 I'm pretty sure the CXK is powerful enough to do that Oct 01 15:24:52 i know, right? it's exciting Oct 01 15:24:52 USB Midi interface, a cool app and off you go Oct 01 15:25:15 i want to possibly hook up my Hercules PC DJ Console to it and mix oggvorbis files Oct 01 15:25:17 or whatever Oct 01 15:25:56 cool. it's definitly powerful enough to do that... considering that we were using MIDI on 0.8MhZ C64's in the early 80s Oct 01 15:25:59 that's got a 6ch audio interface over usb 1.0 Oct 01 15:26:03 oh yeah Oct 01 15:26:06 that's the other one Oct 01 15:26:10 well, audio is another thing Oct 01 15:26:22 i got a mac color classic with the logic board from an lc575 and full 68040 Oct 01 15:26:24 :) Oct 01 15:26:52 i'd love to make that do something musical, it's got debian woody linux on it now Oct 01 15:26:55 nice. i love 68K assembler. Grew up with writing whole apps in it Oct 01 15:27:02 very cool Oct 01 15:27:14 there's a guy, Laurent Vivier, who wrote a bootloader called EMILE Oct 01 15:27:33 it lets you boot those 68k macs into linux kernels without any MacOS Oct 01 15:27:56 i'm happy to support that the only way i know how, buying Laurent a USB floppy disk device Oct 01 15:27:58 yeah, I heard about that one. we had some of those beasts in university Oct 01 15:28:03 not much for coding myself these days :/ Oct 01 15:29:04 OT: gcc 4.0.2 is out. Do we have any toolchain expert around to add it to OE? Oct 01 15:29:31 * koen draws a long straw Oct 01 16:17:11 'night all Oct 01 16:35:10 g'night Oct 02 02:55:13 morning all Oct 02 02:57:44 re **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 02 02:59:56 2005