**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 04 02:59:57 2005 Oct 04 02:59:57 mickeyl, which wiki do you use? I've tried them, but I dislike how most don't handle nesting Oct 04 03:06:33 hmmm Oct 04 03:06:45 running iPhoto, matlab and monotone at the same time hurts Oct 04 03:06:55 koen: heh heh, on an Ipaq? Oct 04 03:07:02 heh Oct 04 03:07:12 no, on a powerbook Oct 04 03:07:16 koen: did you see, abiword seems to work for me, what precisely crashes it? Oct 04 03:07:38 XorA: I expected it to crash, but if it doesn't... Oct 04 03:07:55 2.3.99 worked for me as well Oct 04 03:08:12 nice Oct 04 03:09:17 * koen installs abiword Oct 04 03:12:45 * koen considers rewriting ipkgfind in php Oct 04 03:21:55 Oct 04 03:22:09 hello btw ;) Oct 04 03:22:19 hey bluelightning Oct 04 03:22:34 oh right, ipkgfind... phew Oct 04 03:22:44 I read that as "rewrite _ipkg_ in php" Oct 04 03:23:00 heh Oct 04 03:23:29 or convince someone to make ipkgfind parse individual packages instead of Packages.* Oct 04 03:24:25 koen: why? Packages are supposed to contain all needed info Oct 04 03:24:52 indeed, 'supposed to' Oct 04 03:25:30 at the moment a lot of ipkg tools choke when parsing Packages* Oct 04 03:25:51 and I want the Homepage: and OE: fields too Oct 04 03:25:59 which are only in the .ipks Oct 04 03:28:34 then fix ipkg-make-index to add all fields Oct 04 03:29:25 heh Oct 04 03:29:29 and make ipkg even slower Oct 04 03:32:38 ipkgfind parse packages when someone add feed or each time? Oct 04 03:32:59 each time the cronjob runs Oct 04 03:33:37 hmmm Oct 04 03:33:45 I see why it parses the Packages file :) Oct 04 03:34:49 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r59197559... 10/: packages/hicolor-icon-theme/hicolor-icon-theme_0.5.bbL fix SRC_URI Oct 04 03:36:25 less things to download Oct 04 04:14:21 koen: is there an option/possibility to setup that gtk filerequester will cache dir content between each use? Oct 04 04:15:06 hrw|work: not that I know off Oct 04 04:16:04 http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/news.html has tons of notes on how bad it sucks :) Oct 04 04:16:22 directory has ~200 files but it is smb share and opening it few times in a minute take too much time Oct 04 04:16:54 heh Oct 04 04:17:04 If I try that on osx it will crash Oct 04 04:18:14 gtk over smb? Oct 04 04:18:25 no, osx over smb Oct 04 04:18:32 osx + smb == hell Oct 04 04:19:16 nice Oct 04 04:19:20 mickey around? Oct 04 04:20:25 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349 im not exactly sure what he wants me to do Oct 04 04:20:49 i've got library question... how do i generate a .so file from a .a file... ? Oct 04 04:21:14 df00z: dont echo things which are not related to target machine but provide them in already generated file Oct 04 04:21:26 zuery: use -shared instead of -static when build? Oct 04 04:21:40 hrw: so, paste what the files should be Oct 04 04:21:45 and just add the extra stuff with echo Oct 04 04:21:56 what requires variables and stuff? Oct 04 04:23:36 i've got a xyz.so .. that require /usr/local/arm/abc.so ... but i don't want to put the path in /etc/ld.so.conf.. when i use strings command.. the path /usr/local/arm exist in the library.. Oct 04 04:24:31 so how do i point it back to somewhere else... say.. the abc.so is in /usr/local/test/ Oct 04 04:24:51 df00z: config.h looks like always the same - provide it as it is without generating it each time with echo Oct 04 04:24:59 hrw|work: i build with shared... Oct 04 04:25:22 hrw|work: file command produce arm version 1 (shared) Oct 04 04:31:24 zuery: that's kind of off topic here Oct 04 04:36:15 heh. we should "fix" that quit message Oct 04 04:40:01 yeah Oct 04 04:40:04 more branding! Oct 04 04:43:25 koen: do I have to pull all branches to be able to push/sync? (don't have the oz354fam083 branch in my db yet) Oct 04 04:44:18 sync will get you all branches Oct 04 04:44:24 push/pull work per branch Oct 04 04:44:33 so no, you don't need all branches Oct 04 04:45:45 ok, thanks Oct 04 04:46:52 heh Oct 04 04:46:59 pulling the ozfam branch will give a 3k new certs but very few revs Oct 04 04:47:15 and revs are causing monotone's slowness Oct 04 04:48:33 that guy is seriously trying to explain our shlibdeps code to pb_ Oct 04 04:48:57 I mean, wtf? Oct 04 04:49:49 arrgh Oct 04 04:49:57 gaim/src/protocols/irc/irc.h:38:#define IRC_DEFAULT_QUIT "Download Gaim: " GAIM_WEBSITE Oct 04 04:49:58 $ monotone list unknown Oct 04 04:49:58 monotone: fatal: std::logic_error: change_set.cc:601: invariant 'I(*leader != *lagged)' violated Oct 04 04:49:58 monotone: Oct 04 04:49:58 monotone: this is almost certainly a bug in monotone. Oct 04 04:50:11 no shit Oct 04 04:50:19 ~stab monotone Oct 04 04:50:22 * ibot runs at monotone with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Oct 04 04:53:33 hrm Oct 04 04:53:36 monotone: warning: key 'br1@openembedded.org' is not equal to key 'br1@openembedded.org' in database Oct 04 04:54:09 anyone happen to have an explanation for that? Oct 04 04:54:43 yeah, mickeyl replaced the key without checking for duplicates Oct 04 04:54:49 he recreated key Oct 04 04:54:56 which is a great way to kill monotone Oct 04 04:55:17 NEVER, and I mean NEVER EVER recreate keys after distributing Oct 04 04:55:21 ~lart br1 Oct 04 04:55:22 * ibot offers br1 some herring Oct 04 04:55:28 ~lart mickeyl Oct 04 04:55:29 * ibot breaks out the Hoover and sucks up mickeyl Oct 04 04:55:38 why does that guy have push access anyway? Oct 04 04:55:44 koen: I (will) have another rev for #350 Oct 04 04:55:59 reenoo_: meshcube? Oct 04 04:56:02 reenoo_: he is meshcube maintainer Oct 04 04:56:17 regardless. if he does anything at all he breaks stuff Oct 04 04:56:28 have him attach patches to bugzilla Oct 04 04:57:51 (just search the bk logs for '~lart br1') Oct 04 05:03:44 ~bitchslap monotone, hurry up damnit! Oct 04 05:03:46 * ibot beats the sh*t out of monotone, hurry up damnit! Oct 04 05:15:42 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r2283efd4... 10/: ttf-dejavu: update to newer snapshot - this close bug#365 Oct 04 05:19:12 * koen practices evil laughter Oct 04 05:22:08 koen: evil laughter?? you reading the turkish requirements for EU membership ? Oct 04 05:22:59 heh Oct 04 05:23:05 no, watch the next commit :) Oct 04 05:24:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra05aaf78... 10/: packages/gaim/gaim_2.0.0-cvs-mco1.bb: Substitute Gaim ad in the irc quit message for some OE branding Oct 04 05:24:29 muhahahaha Oct 04 05:28:21 ;)) Oct 04 05:28:44 I suspect that patch will apply to qpe-gaim too Oct 04 05:30:18 hmm Oct 04 05:31:07 its for gaim or libgaim? Oct 04 05:31:14 anyway - lucnh time Oct 04 05:31:25 the >200 "monotone: warning: discarding revision data packet ... with unmet dependencies" I get can be safely ignored? Oct 04 05:31:34 yes Oct 04 05:32:02 hmmm Oct 04 05:33:47 * koen|h2200 wonders how to show the quit message Oct 04 05:34:54 enough fun for today Oct 04 05:39:41 koen: mind if I quote you on the "NEVER EVER" in a message to oe@ Oct 04 05:39:47 ? Oct 04 05:40:05 not at all Oct 04 05:40:37 I think I even used stronger wording in the 'we switched to monotone' mail a few months back Oct 04 05:41:04 I'm sure you did Oct 04 05:41:56 I'm hoping a 'monotone dropkey br1@openembedded.org' on all clients will 'solve' the problem Oct 04 05:42:12 the servers will push the key that signed the csets Oct 04 05:42:34 replacing keys is a great way to corrupts all dbs..... Oct 04 05:43:23 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r28a32d2e... 10/: conf/machine/h2200.conf: add h2200 machine config to the release branch Oct 04 05:44:02 hrw|work: should I commit the fonts fix to now? Oct 04 05:46:50 $ monotone --db ../oe.db update Oct 04 05:46:50 monotone: fatal: std::logic_error: change_set.cc:601: invariant 'I(*leader != *lagged)' violated Oct 04 05:46:50 monotone: Oct 04 05:46:50 monotone: this is almost certainly a bug in monotone. Oct 04 05:47:22 * reenoo_ does a new checkout Oct 04 05:56:37 03rw 07org.oe.dev * r10dc1d65... 10/: libsdl-(qpe|x11): fix packaging and inherit binconfig. fixes Bug #115 Oct 04 05:57:00 there we go Oct 04 05:59:00 LOL Oct 04 05:59:01 | sed -e "s,libdirs ,mickey_is_cool ," \ Oct 04 06:00:14 yeah. binconfig.bbclass takes care of that part now. without the "mickey_is_cool" though ;) Oct 04 06:05:47 koen: please do Oct 04 06:09:08 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349 :\ Oct 04 06:09:12 Im so confused Oct 04 06:12:03 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * raf2e7c50... 10/: packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu_1.14.bb: backport r2283efd4d5567696fe045058b3d139e9871549e9 from .dev Oct 04 06:52:12 hrw|work: what font were non distributable in pdaX? Oct 04 06:52:17 fonts* Oct 04 06:53:00 when I do bitbake gpe-image from org.openembedded.dev source this happens: http://wservices.ch/~lucas/log.do_compile.6779 Oct 04 06:53:03 what is wrong? Oct 04 06:53:23 koen: msttcorefonts in debian speak Oct 04 06:53:41 and verdana? Oct 04 06:54:11 or is that part of msttcorefonts? Oct 04 06:54:21 part of it Oct 04 06:54:45 'Laze has sent you a new personal message entitled "HRW found what in pdaXrom?".' Oct 04 06:55:30 verdana & times new roman Oct 04 06:56:11 koen: he did not Oct 04 06:56:39 hrw|work: what didn't he do? Oct 04 06:56:44 question: how do you force make scripts to use your cross compilers rather than native gcc? Oct 04 06:56:59 sent message Oct 04 06:57:08 is there a simple way? some don't seem to honor CROSS_COMPILE Oct 04 06:57:11 koen: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14630 - kbdd for pdax Oct 04 06:57:11 oe_runmake Oct 04 06:57:20 k, thanks. Oct 04 06:58:33 hrw|work: nice Oct 04 07:01:22 I had to get pocketop keyboard but donor MIA Oct 04 07:02:00 * XorA has the keyboard, lacks time Oct 04 07:02:04 maybe in xmas hols Oct 04 07:02:28 hi zecke Oct 04 07:08:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb91f9b79... 10/: packages/udev/files/udev.rules: add buzzer, closes #367 Oct 04 07:27:56 oe$ find ./ -iname "oe_runmake" Oct 04 07:28:00 Oct 04 07:28:27 MP0: that is a shell function Oct 04 07:28:42 grep -rn ./ oe_runmake Oct 04 07:28:46 grep -rn ./ oe_runmake * Oct 04 07:29:44 k Oct 04 07:30:32 it's used in a lot of files Oct 04 07:30:49 right Oct 04 07:31:02 MP0: it is likely to be defined in classes/base.bbclass Oct 04 07:34:48 ah... I was asking how to use oe to cross compile stuff if make only uses the native compiler. oe_runmake just calls make. Cute answer I guess. Oct 04 07:36:58 that's not quite true actually Oct 04 07:37:13 oe_runmake calls ${MAKE} ${EXTRA_OEMAKE} Oct 04 07:37:36 where EXTRA_OEMAKE defaults to "-e MAKEFLAGS=" Oct 04 07:38:38 ok, so basically I'd use -e to make CC point to arm-linux- Oct 04 07:39:10 no, you use oe_runmake Oct 04 07:39:26 so the correct procedure is to define a new package Oct 04 07:39:38 and use oe_runmake in the .bb file? Oct 04 07:40:04 MP0: if you simply call oe_runmake you do not need to have a do_compile() method anyway Oct 04 07:40:19 MP0: I propose you either look at pb_'s or mickeyl's slides Oct 04 07:40:33 k Oct 04 07:40:35 mickey|bbl: There are so many topics left ;) Oct 04 07:41:06 MP0: ah, you just want to use the OE generated toolchain? in that case try a "bitbake devshell" and run the script it creates Oct 04 07:41:38 k Oct 04 07:42:24 MP0: that provides the same environment as bitbake would use with autotools.bbclass Oct 04 07:43:03 It doesn't really matter too much which arm toolchain, I was just having difficulty getting an automake configure script to use the toolchain rather than the native gcc Oct 04 07:44:11 to compile the kernel, all I had to do was set the correct path and the CROSS_COMPILE variable, so I wasn't sure if there was another shell variable that automake stuff looks at... because it does seem to support cross-compiling Oct 04 07:44:41 hopefully devshell will work. Oct 04 07:46:05 MP0: well if the usage of autotools is broken, you need to patch the source Oct 04 07:46:11 zecke, where are pb_ or mickeyl's slides? I don't see them on the wiki Oct 04 07:46:56 hrw|work: msttffonts will be removed in RC12 Oct 04 07:47:02 MP0: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/PapersAndPresentations Oct 04 07:48:40 hi all! Can't compile opie-tinykate. I get an error about "Too many levels of symbolic links". Anyone knows whay? Oct 04 07:50:37 "circular symlink situation" (treke|ho1e responding to a similar question) Oct 04 07:51:24 koen: where did they wrote that? Oct 04 07:51:36 hrw|work: privmsg Oct 04 07:51:45 koen: ok Oct 04 07:51:47 MP0: how to get the response? I'm newbie here. thanks Oct 04 07:52:11 kraptor: you have symlinks in build dir? Oct 04 07:52:29 no Oct 04 07:52:32 hrw|work: no Oct 04 07:53:00 I put "Too many Oct 04 07:53:01 levels of symbolic links" Oct 04 07:53:05 into google Oct 04 07:54:10 MP0: :) Oct 04 07:56:35 kraptor: TMPDIR is a symlink? Oct 04 07:57:20 zecke: no, I have drwxr-xr-x 2 kraptor kraptor 112 2005-10-04 15:31 conf Oct 04 07:57:20 drwxr-xr-x 8 kraptor kraptor 192 2005-09-29 19:33 tmp Oct 04 07:58:34 zecke: tinykate fails in do_package here Oct 04 08:00:27 zecke: it seems that is trying to ln -s libkate.so somewhere Oct 04 08:12:07 zecke: Okay, I've found what was the problem: libkate.so.1.0.0 -> libkate.so.1.0.0 Oct 04 08:13:03 ew Oct 04 08:16:30 CosmicPenguin: still in germany? Oct 04 08:17:38 kraptor: now find out how that came? Oct 04 08:17:53 koen: heh - no, I was only there for a week Oct 04 08:18:45 koen: I do look forward to going back - i'm taking german lessons so I'll be less stupid American next time Oct 04 08:19:24 zecke: i simply configured bitbake and oe as the wiki says (openzaurus, sl5500, oz354fam083 branch) and did a bitbake opie-image Oct 04 08:23:44 zecke: i'm trying to reproduce doing a new build... this will take a while Oct 04 08:31:38 ~lart oesf morons Oct 04 08:31:38 * ibot pours hot grits down the front of oesf morons's pants Oct 04 08:32:51 hrw|work: what have they done now ? Oct 04 08:34:12 usual stuff - did not used search option Oct 04 08:34:27 soemone started 123th thread about socket connect+ card Oct 04 08:36:26 hrw|work: socket conect+ whats that? Oct 04 08:37:23 XorA: that wlan/storage cf card Oct 04 08:37:26 XorA: the wifi + storage card Oct 04 08:37:51 socket do one as well as SanDisk? Oct 04 08:37:58 * XorA owns a SanDisk one Oct 04 08:39:14 ok - maybe its sandisk Oct 04 08:41:15 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcec9dd28... 10/: udev: add 0.5.4 and package the device-manager seperatly Oct 04 08:41:34 ~lart me Oct 04 08:41:35 * ibot squeezes koen till koen turns blue like papa smurf Oct 04 08:41:40 s/udev/hal/ Oct 04 08:43:00 I will start to write faq for oz users Oct 04 08:43:26 it will be short article in wordpress with comments off etc Oct 04 08:43:31 someone want to help? Oct 04 08:43:43 * emte is wondering why legacy distros were removed from OE Oct 04 08:43:49 "Q: bla" Oct 04 08:43:58 "A: S E A R C H" Oct 04 08:44:21 ~smartquestions Oct 04 08:44:23 from memory, smartquestions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 04 08:44:39 koen: Seriously Erotic And Really Cheesy Help? Oct 04 08:45:02 * Twiun hides Oct 04 08:45:04 ehm... Oct 04 08:45:38 hrw|work: I can do the translation to spanish if you want Oct 04 08:45:47 I wish we would ship a first run wizard which has trivia about smartquestions Oct 04 08:46:16 but that would mean 99% of forum users would get shut out Oct 04 08:46:45 first two are funny ;) Oct 04 08:46:54 How to get own question on that list? Oct 04 08:46:55 Search for author and then search for method of contact. Then send question and answer. Oct 04 08:47:06 and answer Oct 04 08:47:12 How to get answer to own question? Oct 04 08:47:24 Use Search option here or on OESF forums. Don't ask before searching. Oct 04 08:47:58 ofcourse there is no author info in faq Oct 04 08:49:02 should be enough scary for most of readers Oct 04 08:51:48 so why were the old distro versions dropped? Oct 04 08:52:44 nice question Oct 04 08:52:52 hrw|work: http://handhelds.org/Compaq/iPAQH3600/Pictures/ Oct 04 08:53:00 koen: I saw them Oct 04 08:53:02 twm rule Oct 04 08:53:13 so we can safely saw: Oct 04 08:53:18 twm is sooooooo 2000 Oct 04 08:53:51 say* Oct 04 08:54:26 koen: 2000? I first used it in 1993 Oct 04 08:55:14 1997 or so over here Oct 04 08:55:55 Tyranasaurus Window Manager Oct 04 08:59:22 emte: anyway to get it in faq you need to provide answer Oct 04 09:00:03 what's the difference between gcc-cross-initial and gcc-cross? Oct 04 09:12:53 first it used to build libc which will be used to build second Oct 04 09:19:44 cu all Oct 04 09:35:26 hey koen. did your gpe-image finish? Oct 04 09:38:26 hi mreimer Oct 04 09:38:31 hi pb_ Oct 04 09:39:31 pb_, I found that to make bt on h2200 work with hcid, I had to add mdelay(1500) after powering on. Is that ok? Should I sleep instead? Oct 04 09:47:08 is anyone getting problems with libsoundgen? it seems that ld does not find libesd when linking Oct 04 09:49:21 mreimer: yeah, sleeping would be better Oct 04 09:49:41 maybe you could patch hcid, rather than the kernel. Oct 04 09:49:51 hi kergoth Oct 04 09:50:11 almost got my linux box set up =-s Oct 04 09:50:50 pb_: I did patch hcid first (easy), but then thought that the fact that there isn't already a sleep in there might mean that I'm doing something wrong. The mdelay is in the h2200-specific PXA serial port configure code. Oct 04 09:51:08 yeah, fair enough Oct 04 09:51:21 I guess putting it in the kernel is fine too, but do make it a sleep rather than just mdelay(). Oct 04 09:52:00 pb_: will do Oct 04 09:52:42 usb sleep will not wake up and not able to remove in C3000 for 2.6 kernel Oct 04 09:57:20 hrw|gone, i was actually asking so i knew ... not because i know ... Oct 04 09:57:52 i have no idea why the old distro versions were removed Oct 04 10:06:41 ~lart freedesktop.org for being down Oct 04 10:06:43 * ibot flings poo at freedesktop.org for being down Oct 04 10:11:26 is it down or did tehy change locations again? Oct 04 10:12:03 NAiL: it should be back soon Oct 04 10:12:47 pb_: ok cool Oct 04 10:17:12 it's safe to Ctrl-C while bitbake works? Oct 04 10:17:39 up again :D Oct 04 10:18:31 :/ Oct 04 10:21:08 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r4deea3a6... 10/: packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.12-hh3.bb: use defconfig from CVS Oct 04 10:21:10 kraptor, yes Oct 04 10:22:41 emte: k, was getting errors compiling and I thought it could be that Oct 04 10:23:45 koen: ping? Oct 04 10:24:02 pong Oct 04 10:24:33 Just tried compiling hal, but that depends on dbus >= 0.33. Latest in oe that compiles appears to be 0.23.4? Oct 04 10:24:58 I built 0.50 this afternoon Oct 04 10:25:34 any reason for the DEFAULT_PREFERENCE, ror should it just be removed? Oct 04 10:26:06 in .23.4? Oct 04 10:26:10 .05 Oct 04 10:26:14 .50 Oct 04 10:27:00 I think that can be removed, it was there to force 0.23.4 to get built Oct 04 10:27:25 I locked that down in a freeze file for the distro's I'm interested in Oct 04 10:27:33 aha Oct 04 10:27:43 I'm trying it now Oct 04 10:28:16 note that hal-device-manager RDEPENDS on gnome-python which isn't in OE yet Oct 04 11:05:44 bye! Oct 04 11:07:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra6f132d0... 10/: packages/kismet: add 2005-08-R1 Oct 04 11:35:31 good ev folks Oct 04 11:35:55 hmm... I made task-bootstrap... where'd the image go? Oct 04 11:37:27 MP0: to tmp/deploy/images Oct 04 11:37:29 hmm... it didn't make a dploy/image directory :-( Oct 04 11:37:54 MP0: did you specify a tmp dir in your conf file? Oct 04 11:38:13 no, I just let it make one in the build directory I was in Oct 04 11:38:39 ie, the default tmpdir Oct 04 11:39:21 MP0: check your local.con file. It has a TMPDIR variable. deploy/images is created below that dir. Oct 04 11:39:37 MP0: ..local.conf Oct 04 11:40:31 like I said, I didn't set the TMPDIR var so it made a tmp under my build directory... which is fine Oct 04 11:40:38 I have a tmp/deploy/ipk Oct 04 11:40:43 but not tmp/deploy/images Oct 04 11:41:06 MP0: ok, so the build didnt create an image. Oct 04 11:41:16 task-bootstrap doesn't create an image? Oct 04 11:41:26 MP0: right Oct 04 11:41:36 MP0: it is bootstrap-image Oct 04 11:41:38 MP0: if image in name: Oct 04 11:41:43 ... oh. Oct 04 11:41:54 * MP0 feels sheepish Oct 04 11:42:04 ok, so I have to make bootstrap-image Oct 04 11:42:18 MP0: don't worry. I started off like you... :-) Oct 04 11:42:21 I assume from there I mount the image over NFS (already doing that with another image from uclib.com) Oct 04 11:42:32 And then presumably it has an ipk installer Oct 04 11:42:45 so I can build ipk's and then install them on the device... is that the process? Oct 04 11:42:49 MP0: well, you will have a tmp/rootfs Oct 04 11:43:04 MP0: but depending on your configuration you will end up with a flashable jffs2 image Oct 04 11:43:25 ok... I'm just curious about the process for then getting the ipk's installed Oct 04 11:44:05 I assume that the "bootstrap" then lets me install ipk's Oct 04 11:49:28 may I ask why bitbake rebuilds stuff it's already built? Oct 04 11:50:06 MP0: well it 'thinks' it is newer? Oct 04 11:50:08 it doesnt. if theres a newer version of something available that it hasnt built, and it prefers the newer version, then it builds the newer version Oct 04 11:51:03 I haven't updated my openembedded distro so there really shouldn't be anything newer Oct 04 11:51:30 there are cvs builds that use a floating checkout date unless you specify otherwise. Oct 04 11:51:33 set CVSDATE Oct 04 11:51:42 k, thanks Oct 04 11:52:07 what's the format? CVSDATE=10042005? Oct 04 11:52:16 and it's in the local.conf? Oct 04 11:52:21 20051004 Oct 04 11:55:16 ok, that should save me a lot of trouble... it kept rebuilding the compiler toolchain every time I bitbaked Oct 04 12:02:06 it shouldn't do that; the compiler doesn't have a floating version. Oct 04 12:04:37 k Oct 04 12:05:08 I'll leave it on overnight and see if my disk space isn't 100% in the morning :-) Oct 04 12:09:23 :) Oct 04 12:13:25 hi Oct 04 12:13:57 zecke: ping Oct 04 12:15:51 ibot: ping Oct 04 12:16:06 pong Oct 04 12:16:17 Hrw|husky: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/current/29114.html <- have you guys removed bluetooth support from opie-image? Oct 04 12:16:43 reenoo: iirc i fixed it Oct 04 12:17:09 well. koen built that image yesterday Oct 04 12:17:14 there was a moment (~day) where it was not there Oct 04 12:17:36 don't you know opie only needs pim? Oct 04 12:17:46 hmm.. can you bugreport it and asssssign to me? Ill look into it tomorrow Oct 04 12:17:51 everything else if bloat, fluff and more TT fud Oct 04 12:18:02 Hrw|husky: will do. thanks Oct 04 12:19:09 in meta-opie.bb task-opie-base has bluez-utils-nodbus iirc Oct 04 12:22:45 koen: does viewmtn works on ewi? Oct 04 12:23:32 yes, but mod_python caching gets in the way sometimes Oct 04 12:24:03 ah. ok then Oct 04 12:24:26 Hrw|husky: pong Oct 04 12:24:33 Hrw|husky: can you reach opie-bugs.oszine.de? Oct 04 12:24:39 zecke: nope Oct 04 12:24:52 zecke: 1701 bug? Oct 04 12:24:53 Hrw|husky: what was your question? Oct 04 12:25:14 zecke: just wanted to remind 1701.... Oct 04 12:25:15 Hrw|husky: yes Oct 04 12:25:28 Hrw|husky: do you have the patch handy? Oct 04 12:25:35 no Oct 04 12:25:43 Hrw|husky: Bug #369 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369) Oct 04 12:25:55 thx reenoo Oct 04 12:26:00 Hrw|husky: ar_ is currently not only, any other stuff I promised to commit? Oct 04 12:26:30 zecke: nothing i know about Oct 04 12:26:49 zecke: opie lack alt-tab switching :( Oct 04 12:27:32 Hrw|husky: hehe (the ROAD device has it...) Oct 04 12:27:50 Hrw|husky: actually you want expose and not alt tab Oct 04 12:28:01 f9 rules Oct 04 12:28:16 koen|tv: lower right corner as well Oct 04 12:28:29 koen|tv: and f10 == lower left corner Oct 04 12:28:31 upper left over here :) Oct 04 12:28:41 that is the dashboard Oct 04 12:28:50 * koen|tv has dashboard disabled Oct 04 12:28:55 konfabulator rule Oct 04 12:28:57 s Oct 04 12:29:01 Tomorrow is BenQ day Oct 04 12:29:10 koen|tv: I don't know that KDE application?! Oct 04 12:29:24 heh Oct 04 12:29:40 http://konfabulator.com/ Oct 04 12:31:25 nice hint Oct 04 12:31:34 Al is happy with the Tiger-Gotchi Oct 04 12:32:16 my girlfriend is playing with sudoku dashboard widget all the time Oct 04 12:33:30 pb_: do you think it would be possible to build the XServer (kdrive/Xipaq) as a library Oct 04 12:36:56 cu - thats enough of zaurus usage today Oct 04 12:43:21 zecke: sure. why would you want to, though? Oct 04 12:46:15 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r59433b52... 10/: conf/machine/h2200.conf: add back the kernel to the rootfs Oct 04 12:46:16 pb_: to obsolete QtE Oct 04 12:46:46 pb_: did someone do that already? Oct 04 12:46:48 heh Oct 04 12:46:58 zecke: not that I know of, but it shouldn't be difficult Oct 04 12:47:39 pb_: The Argument is. With QtE the main application is instantly available and does not need to wait for the Xserver to start Oct 04 14:30:34 good nitre Oct 04 14:31:28 night Oct 04 14:34:21 zecke: good nitre Oct 04 14:34:55 lol my cat ones to play with the MAX232... Oct 04 14:40:27 hope its leadfree Oct 04 14:41:05 emte: well actually it bites in the wires connected to it, and he wants to throw it to the floor... Oct 04 14:41:15 like everything small that can be dropped... Oct 04 14:41:30 this house is full of mentally disturbed charachters Oct 04 14:41:51 okay I might be offline until friday Oct 04 14:42:43 that's the time you'll buy food for your cat? Oct 04 14:42:59 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3181a893... 10/: packages/h2200-bootloader/h2200-bootloader.bb: add firmware extractor for the iPAQ h2200 Oct 04 14:43:33 koen: do they need any? Oct 04 14:43:38 oh Titeuf was online Oct 04 14:55:29 good night folks Oct 04 14:55:54 'night alan|cooking Oct 04 15:32:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r79e64c2a... 10/: conf/machine/h2200.conf: add bootloader firmware dumper, needed for suspending Oct 04 15:58:28 'night all Oct 04 16:01:50 'night all Oct 04 17:04:54 anyone have any idea why code wouldn't have things like pid_t defined? Oct 04 17:05:02 same OE build on one box works, on another it doesn't Oct 04 17:35:39 JustinP, host compiler differeneces Oct 04 17:35:50 or base library versions Oct 04 17:35:59 would be my only guess Oct 04 17:36:29 ie gcc-2.95 vs gcc-4 and libc5 vs libc6 Oct 04 17:37:22 maybe an unhelpful answer is better than no answer Oct 04 18:39:27 emte: the problem is that I *see* these typedefs in files which the erroring-out files are including Oct 04 18:39:39 emte: perhaps.....it's including system libs.... Oct 04 18:39:51 well, system .h Oct 04 19:00:20 hi raster Oct 04 19:01:56 hey chou! Oct 04 19:05:28 hello everyone! I have a few devices I've loaded with openembedded images, and I was wondering what others do for remote firmware upgrades? I'm just un-tarring my image file back over the root file system, using tftp as my transfer method. I'm using the 'ext2' filesystem as well. Anyone have any better methods, tips, suggestions? Oct 04 21:17:43 * france is away: Away Oct 04 23:20:43 hmmm... Oct 04 23:20:48 "First time I've gotten a programming job that required a drug test. I was worried they were going to say you don't have enough LSD in your system to do Unix programming." -- Paul Tomblin Oct 04 23:22:49 which part of OE does the filesystem image building? I want to make a yaffs filesystem rather than jffs2 Oct 04 23:24:52 did hrw wrote this article in polish linux+ magazine about OE ? ..did you hear about it? Oct 04 23:27:56 myopiate, did you read your local.conf? Oct 04 23:28:58 ahuh, is yaffs a valid image type Oct 04 23:28:59 ? Oct 04 23:31:04 it says "Valid are jffs2, tar, cramfs" Oct 04 23:36:36 for which tag Oct 04 23:37:00 then you search for that tag in th BitBake classes Oct 04 23:37:16 but as far as i know yaffs isnt valid Oct 04 23:37:33 i cant even remember what it stands for Oct 04 23:38:13 yet another flash filesystem :P Oct 04 23:38:17 yep Oct 04 23:38:52 well it could have been a worse acronym ... not that anything is worse than vhdl Oct 04 23:39:25 very large scale integrated circuits high definition language Oct 04 23:39:53 not quite Oct 04 23:39:58 but fairly close Oct 04 23:40:49 Very High Speed Integrated Circuit (VHSIC) Hardware Description Language Oct 04 23:46:32 gosh.. where does the first vhdl definition come from..phew. Oct 04 23:49:01 I'm getting VLSI and my VHSIC confused Oct 04 23:51:40 emte: thanks for the tip. I'm trying to get a grep on things (boom boom) Oct 04 23:51:54 oooh Oct 04 23:51:55 http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/8D1E61CA4500D6EDC2256FE8001F2B53?OpenDocument&Lang=Global Oct 04 23:52:09 "We are currently looking for a Linux System SW Architect to boost development of Linux/Debian based Maemo devices" Oct 04 23:52:19 would have to move to norway, but that could be a cool position Oct 04 23:54:35 and if that falls through, you could always work for Trolls Oct 04 23:54:44 assuming the Trolls are hiring... Oct 04 23:55:00 kergoth: btw, hi Oct 04 23:55:09 * kergoth is having something of a career crisis, unhappy in the new position as well as the old.. Oct 04 23:55:10 hey Oct 04 23:55:31 r&d at nokia might just be able to keep me interested and motivated, which is what i need Oct 04 23:55:32 heh Oct 04 23:55:35 bleh Oct 04 23:57:49 interest and motivation are good things. Oct 04 23:58:31 * kergoth cant seem to code at all without them :( Oct 05 00:04:55 speaking of norway... what about kenya http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya Oct 05 00:05:44 lol Oct 05 00:20:52 hi all! Oct 05 00:32:13 nokia is Finish, Trolltech is Norwegian Oct 05 00:42:11 hey Oct 05 00:42:19 is it possible to build a local .c file with OE? Oct 05 00:51:22 morning Oct 05 00:52:29 what on earth are you trying to build, df00z? Oct 05 00:54:02 good morning all Oct 05 00:55:11 morning koen thanks for the kismet Oct 05 00:55:50 hey XorA Oct 05 00:56:53 raduga: my own program Oct 05 00:56:56 I want to cross compile it Oct 05 00:57:03 Im not using any makefiles or anything Oct 05 00:57:06 just a C file Oct 05 00:57:16 arm-linux-g++ `./tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/sdl-config --cflags` -L/home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib/ -L/home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -lqpe -lqte -lpthread sdlt.c Oct 05 00:57:27 /home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: libopiecore2.so.1, needed by /home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/libSDL.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) Oct 05 00:57:32 It gives me a bunch of garbage like that Oct 05 00:57:39 morning Oct 05 00:57:41 morning Oct 05 00:57:46 luzik: yes - that's mine article Oct 05 00:58:15 df00z: thats not garbage, do what it says Oct 05 00:58:45 df00z: look at logs of builds to find what magic bitbake puts in for those arguments Oct 05 00:58:47 question: how to revert some revisions in monotone 'working copy'? with bitkeeper it was just "bk undo -aREVISION" - but with monotone the only thing which comes to me is checkout whole branch with selected revision Oct 05 00:58:49 just adding -rpath or -rpath-link Oct 05 00:58:54 ok Oct 05 00:59:25 hello world ! Oct 05 01:01:06 its not working Oct 05 01:01:11 arm-linux-g++ `./tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/sdl-config --cflags` -L/home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib/ -L/home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -lqpe -lqte -lpthread -rpath-link,/home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib sdlt.c Oct 05 01:01:18 this is the longest compile line ever my god Oct 05 01:01:26 isn't that a bit redundant? Oct 05 01:01:33 `./tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/sdl-config --cflags` Oct 05 01:01:43 that shold contain all the needed sdl cflags Oct 05 01:01:44 no, i have a sdl-config in /usr/bin Oct 05 01:01:53 wait, what? Oct 05 01:01:53 like -SDL and such Oct 05 01:01:54 oh Oct 05 01:01:59 --libs Oct 05 01:01:59 yeah Oct 05 01:02:20 df00z: so you did not looked into other compiles... 1K lines for gcc Oct 05 01:02:36 arm-linux-g++ `./tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/sdl-config --cflags --libs` -rpath-link,/home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib sdlt.c Oct 05 01:02:42 im looking at logs Oct 05 01:02:45 i see that Oct 05 01:02:50 and -Wl Oct 05 01:04:03 oh Oct 05 01:04:09 -Wl,-rpath-link, Oct 05 01:05:33 hrw|work: nice :) ..can i read it? .. i didn't bought magazine, can you send me electronic version? Oct 05 01:05:50 hrw|work: i am proud of you :) Oct 05 01:05:52 luzik: nope Oct 05 01:06:18 hrw|work: ok i can guest resons Oct 05 01:06:20 luzik: first I have to get version after editor changes - maybe in next months I will publish it on my website Oct 05 01:06:50 hrw|work: can you do this? Oct 05 01:07:36 s/guest/guess Oct 05 01:08:08 im gonna write a patch for snes9x so it can use the pda buttons like mail menu etc on poodle Oct 05 01:08:16 and prolly collie Oct 05 01:09:18 luzik: I will have to talk with linux+ about it Oct 05 01:10:04 hrw|work: how the pay? ..per page or per article? Oct 05 01:10:08 hrw|work: could you attach to pimpi/x11 work to bugzilla? Oct 05 01:10:09 s/the/they Oct 05 01:12:10 luzik: per page Oct 05 01:12:19 koen: ok Oct 05 01:29:23 koen: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371 Oct 05 01:30:03 now I will work on #369 (lack of stuff in opie-image) Oct 05 01:56:33 hmm, oe is trying to d/l mtd-snapshot-20050715.tar.bz2 which is too old... I'm gonna try to fix the .bb file Oct 05 01:57:03 MP0: hmm.. it was supposed to changed to cvs.. Oct 05 01:57:21 and it is Oct 05 01:57:28 MP0: you have too old repo Oct 05 01:57:34 I d/led it last week! Oct 05 01:57:42 off of monotone... oh well Oct 05 01:57:57 * MP0 sighs and does another monotone pull Oct 05 01:59:21 Author: hrw@openembedded.org Oct 05 01:59:21 Date: 2005-09-01T11:56:45 Oct 05 01:59:26 mtd-utils: switched back to CVS with fixed CVSDATE Oct 05 01:59:40 that was over month ago Oct 05 02:00:24 ... I'm not sure what to tell you. Yesterday I added a CVSDATE line to my local.conf file Oct 05 02:00:56 CVSDATE = 20051004 Oct 05 02:01:00 could that be a problem? Oct 05 02:01:23 MP0: cd your-working-copy and do "monotone log|head" - tell me which revision you got Oct 05 02:01:35 I've already started a pull Oct 05 02:01:41 sorry :-/ Oct 05 02:01:59 thanks for the help though Oct 05 02:02:22 oh wait... Oct 05 02:02:26 that just updates the db Oct 05 02:02:31 I can still do monotone log Oct 05 02:03:06 humm... my repository is from July Oct 05 02:03:20 Author: mickeyl@openembedded.org Oct 05 02:03:20 Date: 2005-07-20T19:22:25 Oct 05 02:04:04 man... it is so antic that even greek civilisation is newer Oct 05 02:04:07 considering I wasn't even here in July, I'm not sure how that happened. Oct 05 02:04:16 lol Oct 05 02:11:45 I can't connect to monotone.vanille.de Oct 05 02:12:06 yeah use backup server Oct 05 02:12:25 ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl Oct 05 02:12:30 k, thanks Oct 05 02:12:44 what happened to the normal server? Oct 05 02:14:03 someone shed coffie Oct 05 02:14:20 and server blow up Oct 05 02:14:43 :-] ...joke ..don't know Oct 05 02:15:05 hi people Oct 05 02:15:13 it seems to me gettext-native is somehow broken Oct 05 02:16:07 I have gettext-native-0.14.1-r3 installed, but the command 'msgfmt' is not compatible with all the other compiles bitbake does, and thus it breaks about everything Oct 05 02:22:16 koen: can you kick monotone.vanille.de? Oct 05 02:23:47 hrw|work: kicked Oct 05 02:24:17 thx Oct 05 02:24:29 There's one thing I like about monotone: it's sure a lot faster than git Oct 05 02:24:35 I'm pulling from ewi but will repull vanille and push there Oct 05 02:25:45 * koen blinks Oct 05 02:25:55 did someone call monotone fast? Oct 05 02:26:33 I have to wait half a day to pull the montevista git tree over http... monotone just transfers the differences Oct 05 02:26:42 I see Oct 05 02:26:51 to be fair, git only seems to transfer new files but... Oct 05 02:27:00 ... it sure spends a lot of time determining what is a new file Oct 05 02:27:27 I bet git using rsync would be faster, except that's deprecated Oct 05 02:27:43 when I tested git it had two flaws: Oct 05 02:28:07 1) it couldn't import the OE repo ('too many arguments' or something)r Oct 05 02:28:17 2) it couldn't 'push' to a repo Oct 05 02:28:58 hey, at least it ran ;-) Oct 05 02:31:42 mother of god. :\ Oct 05 02:31:53 when i hold down menu on my zaurus, my backlight shuts off Oct 05 02:32:30 its opie doing that...i think I need to hack the kernel and make the zaurus keys not f9 f10 f11 etc Oct 05 02:33:06 df00z: menu key? Oct 05 02:33:14 hrw|work: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2005-October/msg00017.html Oct 05 02:33:27 hrw|work: you know, the buttons on the bottom of the 5500/5600 Oct 05 02:33:31 koen: great Oct 05 02:33:33 cancel/ok/Menu/contacts/mail Oct 05 02:33:35 etc Oct 05 02:33:51 df00z: its that key function: disable/enable backlight on hold Oct 05 02:34:02 yeah. Oct 05 02:34:09 is there a way to disable it? Oct 05 02:34:11 df00z: run settings/button and change that Oct 05 02:34:18 sorry to ask this stupid question.. is any distrubution using ARM7 with uc? Oct 05 02:34:20 or hold 'home' which will run it Oct 05 02:35:21 hrw: holding the menu button overrides opie's hold function Oct 05 02:35:25 the backlight shuts off Oct 05 02:35:33 but i cant change what the hold function is Oct 05 02:35:39 df00z: you need to restart opie ;( Oct 05 02:36:02 ok restarted Oct 05 02:36:25 still cant set the hold function Oct 05 02:37:19 oh wow Oct 05 02:37:26 its retarded opie that makes the PDA suspend when i hold cancel too Oct 05 02:37:32 is there any way to disable all those functions alltogether Oct 05 02:37:44 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r5bbecea4... 10/: opie-image: add irda and BT tools - close #369 Oct 05 02:37:55 df00z: build r45 kernel Oct 05 02:38:18 It's the kernel? Oct 05 02:38:26 I'm out of opie Oct 05 02:38:26 yes Oct 05 02:38:29 holding cancel does nothing Oct 05 02:38:32 * koen feels an addition to #350 coming Oct 05 02:38:35 i turned on IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND for a reason Oct 05 02:38:53 koen: exactly Oct 05 02:38:56 * XorA has a t-mobile PCMCIA card working on Z :-) Oct 05 02:39:03 Whoa, really? Oct 05 02:39:18 koen: anyway - your viewmtn use old database? Oct 05 02:39:41 no. I need to wait for sync. Oct 05 02:40:19 when I called monotone fast, I was a bit premature. I didn't count on the "verifying" stage. Oct 05 02:40:55 hrw|work: I'm working on xcas and tiemu Oct 05 02:42:28 hrw: hrm..im looking at libopie2s sources Oct 05 02:42:34 HardKey_Suspend, HardKey_Backlight Oct 05 02:42:44 is it possible to make Opie totally ignore events on those Oct 05 02:43:16 koen: #350 added Oct 05 02:43:27 thanks Oct 05 02:43:47 df00z: it works on collie and c7x0 Oct 05 02:43:52 What works? Oct 05 02:43:53 It DOES work Oct 05 02:43:55 thats the problem Oct 05 02:43:57 I want to disable it Oct 05 02:44:15 I don't want opie suspending my pda or turning off the backlight Oct 05 02:44:32 or opening any programs when i push those buttons Oct 05 02:44:37 i want to use them for other things Oct 05 02:45:08 They register as regular function keys, like f9 f10 f11 etc Oct 05 02:45:10 df00z: first thing - did you upgraded to r45 kernel? Oct 05 02:45:23 No, I'm not on r45. Does it work on poodle? Oct 05 02:45:29 :P Oct 05 02:45:36 df00z: so upgrade first! Oct 05 02:45:52 df00z: hacking/tweaking something which is not OE latest is useless Oct 05 02:46:01 so ... is there a uc build for oe? Oct 05 02:47:03 hrw: I need to update OE for that? :\ hrm Oct 05 02:47:08 the nslu2 people have been building a uclinux image for some time now with OE Oct 05 02:48:30 koen: thanks Oct 05 02:48:48 hrw|work: Does the r45 kernel have a bb file? openzaurus-pxa_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107.bb im using that right now Oct 05 02:50:57 ok... I did a monotone pull and when I check monotone log|head Oct 05 02:51:00 it says: Oct 05 02:51:00 Author: koen@openembedded.orgDate: 2005-07-21T21:41:11 Oct 05 02:51:16 ... why am I getting old copies of the repo? Oct 05 02:51:36 did you do a monotone update? Oct 05 02:51:41 df00z: use your brain please and look inside Oct 05 02:51:45 yes Oct 05 02:51:52 monotone pull into oe.db Oct 05 02:51:54 MP0: mt pull;mt merge;mt update Oct 05 02:51:55 then monotone update Oct 05 02:52:05 mt merge? Oct 05 02:52:13 monotone merge Oct 05 02:52:25 pingemi@robingoodfellow:/opt/oe/org.openembedded.dev$ monotone mergemonotone: misuse: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is merged Oct 05 02:52:43 should I do a pull again before merging? Oct 05 02:53:02 no Oct 05 02:53:16 merge is just needed when you make changes to repo Oct 05 02:53:39 I haven't made any changes Oct 05 02:53:49 koen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/openembedded/packages/tilibs$ monotone head Oct 05 02:53:49 monotone: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is currently merged: Oct 05 02:53:49 5bbecea445aa5ba2d5201fb1e67ad420b048bd26 hrw@openembedded.org 2005-10-05T09:35:36 Oct 05 02:53:55 that's what I get Oct 05 02:55:02 I'm gonna try another pull Oct 05 02:55:38 hrw: once I update OE should i see an R45 kernel? Oct 05 02:56:28 What do you mean by R45 anyway Oct 05 02:56:52 df00z: openzaurus-pxa 2.4.18 Oct 05 02:57:07 2.4.18-crappix-r45 Oct 05 02:57:16 PR = "r45" Oct 05 02:57:50 oh ok Oct 05 02:57:53 im using r45 then Oct 05 02:58:52 wierd, build for c7x0 xserver-kdrive is no longer brinign in disable-apm.patch Oct 05 02:59:07 but I cant see why it shouldnt from bb **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 05 02:59:56 2005