**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 11 02:59:56 2005 Oct 11 03:06:43 * koen restores the wiki and sends a mild lart to the mailinglist about that Oct 11 03:22:03 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r665676b7... 10/: Oct 11 03:22:03 libopieobex: DEPEND on openobex-apps, not just RDEPEND on it Oct 11 03:22:03 (to make it available @ image construction time) Oct 11 03:22:07 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rcdf7d406... 10/: Oct 11 03:22:08 add machine configuration and linux kernel for the HTC Blueangel Oct 11 03:22:08 patch courtesy Ian Jordan Oct 11 05:13:00 Hey guys, Good Morning. I'm getting 'connection refused' on monotone Oct 11 05:15:47 use one of the backup servers Oct 11 05:21:54 hey kergoth Oct 11 06:05:49 hey from linuxconf Oct 11 06:10:03 hey mithro Oct 11 06:10:37 mithro: conf or Kongress? Oct 11 06:12:46 bah Oct 11 06:12:49 Kongress Oct 11 06:12:53 doing to many things at once Oct 11 06:46:43 hi ! Oct 11 06:52:44 hi. the latest oe presentation on the web site (written by mickeyl, if I'm not mistaken) states two of the goals of the oe project as 'being linux distribution and architecture agnostic' and 'support multiple build and target operating systems'. can anybody help me out with the distinction between linux distribution agnostic and support for multiple OSs? Oct 11 06:53:38 I interpret that to mean support all linux distros and some OSes Oct 11 06:53:58 I would think so Oct 11 06:54:20 but does that cover both build and target platforms? Oct 11 06:55:12 yes Oct 11 06:55:44 ok, thanks Oct 11 06:58:05 in addition to familiar, intimate and openzaurus, are there any other linux distributions for PDAs around? Oct 11 07:05:14 maybe emdebian Oct 11 07:05:17 and maemo Oct 11 07:08:32 mickyl: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349 what did you want me to do here Oct 11 07:11:12 koen|uni: thanks Oct 11 07:21:59 sorry to hassle about this, but are any other OSs than linux currently supported by oe? Oct 11 07:28:13 thought I saw something about Mac OS X Oct 11 07:28:16 as host or as target? Oct 11 07:28:29 zecke is trying to get OE to work on fbsd and osx Oct 11 07:28:36 as build? Oct 11 07:29:00 as host for building images for the target Oct 11 07:29:10 ok Oct 11 07:29:21 what about targets? Oct 11 07:30:15 only linux afaik Oct 11 07:30:20 nothing currently supported - but there's no reason why a GNU tool based OS wouldn't be Oct 11 07:30:30 I'll bet ya it wouldn't be much at all to spit out, say VxWorks Oct 11 07:31:35 aren't they moving on to linux? Oct 11 07:35:26 morning Oct 11 07:35:56 hey chouimat Oct 11 08:21:28 morning kergoth Oct 11 08:21:34 hey Oct 11 08:21:43 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdbbe3b6e... 10/: h3900.conf: use tune-xscale Oct 11 08:57:21 * mjc is having to hunt around to figure out how to get started with bb Oct 11 08:57:22 heh Oct 11 09:00:38 later all Oct 11 09:23:37 hi Oct 11 09:24:02 hi Oct 11 09:24:24 mickeyl: you dont have a |something? Oct 11 09:31:15 hey hrw Oct 11 10:07:53 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r07cf7b32... 10/: octave: add 2.1.71 Oct 11 10:08:32 RP: after flashing qpe-image and a 2.6 kernel I get and "init not found" error Oct 11 10:08:36 what does it mean Oct 11 10:08:52 is it a flashing error or a kernel errot? Oct 11 10:13:05 katossi: sounds like your image didn't flash Oct 11 10:13:18 katossi: Which device? Oct 11 10:13:24 but the image had the right name Oct 11 10:13:26 akita Oct 11 10:13:45 which images did you flash? Oct 11 10:13:53 gpe-image Oct 11 10:14:08 I tried the oz 3.5.3 and everything was right Oct 11 10:14:14 You flashed an initrd.bin and a zimage.bin? Oct 11 10:14:18 but I compiled my own and I got that Oct 11 10:14:22 yes Oct 11 10:15:07 check if /sbin/init exists in your tmp/rootfs/ directory Oct 11 10:15:20 ok Oct 11 10:15:22 That will tell us if its the image you created or not Oct 11 10:15:49 I have to wait because I'm compiling a new one Oct 11 10:15:54 but thx a lot Oct 11 10:16:06 btw Oct 11 10:16:27 how can I contribute to the akita or 2.6 development Oct 11 10:16:33 is reporting bugs enough? Oct 11 10:16:51 I could do some testing, but I don't now what to test Oct 11 10:16:55 cu Oct 11 10:38:26 mickeyl: I get the same "I can't develop in OE" complaints from my engineers here Oct 11 10:38:48 Personally, I think they're a bunch of whiners, but I need to figure out a solution, or they won't use OE Oct 11 10:38:59 heh Oct 11 10:39:22 CosmicPenguin: The wiki tells a lot about getting started, but its not really clear how to develop stuff within the context of OE Oct 11 10:39:40 CosmicPenguin: I found out about devshell through here... Oct 11 10:39:51 Thats because you're not supposed to develop within OE Oct 11 10:40:42 ok, then I have conflicting information: according to one OE developer, OE is for developers of OE and not for people who just want to use it. Oct 11 10:40:51 Thats like complaining that the instructions for your iron aren't clear on how to make a cheese sandwich Oct 11 10:41:14 I disagree, configuration management is a part of development. Oct 11 10:41:31 * koen goes out to find a iron, bread and some cheese Oct 11 10:42:00 * MP0 chuckles Oct 11 10:42:01 OE is about building the whole, not so good at buliding indivudual pieces in a way that doesnt interfere with development Oct 11 10:42:51 what you need is an easy way to use the OE toolchain/environment to build the code you are developing Oct 11 10:43:01 without mucking about with bitbake Oct 11 10:43:19 maybe a configure macro to find OE toolchain Oct 11 10:43:37 nod. though bitbake's knowledge is useful for packaging, most of the time you dont need to package what you're building, you just use it right there, or copy it to a target manually Oct 11 10:44:08 you can force bb to only tun a particualr bb file, which is almost good enough Oct 11 10:44:51 Speaking of which, I've noticed there are quite a few packages that don't seem to PROVIDE stuff... I assume that's part of the "building a whole" philosophy. Oct 11 10:45:06 although I kind of like ./configure --with-oe-toolchain /home/tmp/staging/arm Oct 11 10:45:36 MP0: what do you mean? Oct 11 10:46:58 well, for example: Oct 11 10:47:00 grep -r "PROVIDE" /opt/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/cairo/ Oct 11 10:47:05 Oct 11 10:47:12 so? Oct 11 10:47:23 a package always provides itself Oct 11 10:47:25 that didn't cause a problem for me, because luckily pango provides pango and cairo is a dependency Oct 11 10:47:28 read bitbake.conf Oct 11 10:47:29 really? Oct 11 10:47:35 you're clearly not understanding how oe works Oct 11 10:47:44 according to the wiki, it may, but it doesn't have to Oct 11 10:47:52 theres .conf, which is global, affects everything, and theres bbclasses that defines more stuff Oct 11 10:47:55 yeah, lemme read bitbake.conf Oct 11 10:48:05 you only see a _fraction_ of what is by looking at hte .bb Oct 11 10:48:09 and thats by design. Oct 11 10:48:30 theres a showdata task to dump all the data in a .bb, including what came from classes and configuration data Oct 11 10:48:38 you'll see the PROVIDES for it there. Oct 11 10:49:21 PROVIDES = "" Oct 11 10:49:25 (bitbake.conf) Oct 11 10:50:49 eh? Oct 11 10:50:53 you're looking at the wrong one. Oct 11 10:50:59 look at _oe_'s bitbake.conf Oct 11 10:51:07 bitbake obeys BBPATH to find its files Oct 11 10:51:20 k Oct 11 10:53:48 <_chronic> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY COSMOS1 Oct 11 10:53:56 .. Oct 11 10:54:29 <_chronic> oops! soz ... Oct 11 10:54:42 out of curiousity, has the 2.6.14 kernel changed how usbdfu works? I don't see it anymore in the kernel tree, so I assume there's a replacement Oct 11 10:54:46 always do that on your command terminal... Oct 11 10:55:16 (usbdfu = usb driver firmware uploader) Oct 11 10:55:45 <_chronic> JustinP: indeed :-/ Oct 11 11:07:05 nevermind my question about usbdfu... bad readme needs updating with new name of the driver Oct 11 11:07:09 cya later Oct 11 11:16:16 Good evening. Oct 11 11:23:20 evening Oct 11 11:55:13 Does anyone have trouble pulling updates from monotone? Oct 11 11:55:36 I'm trying to do a 'monotone pull' & 'monotone update' to get the latest php5 stuff, but they aren't downloading Oct 11 11:56:27 This morning whenever I done an update, I got a few 'certs in' & 'revs in' info - but nothing different in my packages/php directory Oct 11 11:59:08 can anyone else run an update (via anonymous) and see if they repo is updated? Oct 11 12:03:58 hi all Oct 11 12:04:07 hey pb Oct 11 12:04:24 hey pb - will you do favor for me if you can? Oct 11 12:04:26 hi pb_ Oct 11 12:04:39 can you do a monotone update & see if you have the latest php .bb files? Oct 11 12:05:58 dwildes: sorry, I don't have a monotone tree here Oct 11 12:06:17 pb_: doh! thanks anyway Oct 11 12:53:11 heya Oct 11 13:01:16 hail mickeyl Oct 11 13:14:25 dwildes: when you do a monotone update does it work? Oct 11 13:14:54 it acts like it does, goes through the motions - but I don't see any files changed Oct 11 13:15:04 then if I do another update - it says I'm up to date Oct 11 13:15:09 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb20f7b24... 10/: jlime.conf: rename to jlime-shrek, add preferred versions to make an opie-image buildable Oct 11 13:15:13 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2f764149... 10/: jlime-shrek.conf: set TARGET_OS = linux Oct 11 13:17:04 I just finished downloading the oe.db again from www.openembedded.org Oct 11 13:17:15 was going to do a fresh checkout to see that helps Oct 11 13:17:39 now I issued: monotone --db=/stuff/oe.db checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev Oct 11 13:17:54 Oct 11 13:18:04 and lo-and-behold, all the packages are there Oct 11 13:18:17 That was fast. Oct 11 13:18:29 :-) at least I can get back and work Oct 11 13:18:44 I just don't know why my old repo wouldn't update/sync with the fresh one? Oct 11 13:19:24 MP0 - yeah, took me about 20min to download oe.db, and about 30sec to checkout the branch Oct 11 13:19:46 ah, no update Oct 11 13:19:56 that does speed things up considerably Oct 11 13:20:16 my update wouldn't work Oct 11 13:20:35 that's why I was whining in here a bit ago *hahah* Oct 11 13:20:39 yeah :-/ Now I know why Linus Torvald was so pissed off at Tridgell Oct 11 13:21:34 MP0: ? Oct 11 13:22:30 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/14/torvalds_attacks_tridgell/ Oct 11 13:22:35 dwildes: perhaps you weren't pulling on the DB that you were updating from? Or perhaps your update was happening on a different checkout? Oct 11 13:22:47 dwildes: you always could have tried a new checkout from your DB to see if that helped Oct 11 13:22:49 no - same oe.db (I only had one) Oct 11 13:23:10 well, flad it's "fixed" now :-| Oct 11 13:23:12 now I have two, because I just downloaded the latest oe.db Oct 11 13:23:13 flad? Oct 11 13:23:14 glad Oct 11 13:23:36 yeah - just be warned if anyone else mentions something like that - just recommend a fresh checkout I guess Oct 11 13:23:53 I just have to reconfig my OE environment Oct 11 13:24:01 and I'll be on my way :-) Oct 11 13:25:15 hopefully you didn't delete your tmpdir? Oct 11 13:25:19 or you have a fast machine... Oct 11 13:25:36 or...heh, this is x86 so I guess the toolchain is "provided" ;-) Oct 11 13:25:54 a full rebuild of my image takes about 1.5 hrs, so it's not that bad of a wait Oct 11 13:25:58 Well, I'm impressed. Took a .bb from the libsdl package, changed it to use fbcon instead of x11, and it compiled perfectly. Oct 11 13:26:06 I just hope it works Oct 11 13:26:12 at this point - I had rather just go from scratch ;) Oct 11 13:26:16 MP0: it's often like that. My first bbs were simple and easy ^_^ Oct 11 13:26:34 I'm not sure why they don't provide an fbcon bb Oct 11 13:26:48 or enable fbcon on the x11 or qpe builds Oct 11 13:26:50 dwildes: I hope it all works for you. I know that appweb needs some init.d love, but the app itself should work if you know how to invoke it...I hope Oct 11 13:26:59 heh Oct 11 13:27:13 hehe - yeah, I can get it running if it compiles nicely Oct 11 13:27:29 I'll even fix the init script if I get in there Oct 11 13:27:34 :-) Oct 11 13:27:41 well they both compiled and installed on my Z Oct 11 13:27:59 JustinP, I'm not fully conversant in how OE works (as people on this chat room love to remind me)... could you clarify a small question: when bitbake compiles something that depends on a,b, and c, how does it get the header files for them? Oct 11 13:28:00 nice - I'll know my situation in ~2 hrs Oct 11 13:30:00 MP0: the headers are put into tmp/staging by the install step Oct 11 13:30:12 (or maybe it's the staging step...) Oct 11 13:30:22 so essentially you use the -I option to include the staging directory? Oct 11 13:31:33 MP0: yes Oct 11 13:31:53 hi kergoth Oct 11 13:32:12 pb_: libxml...why --without-schemas? Oct 11 13:32:28 hey Oct 11 13:52:57 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb0bdb0dc... 10/: add python-pygame 1.7.1, closes bug #387 Oct 11 15:13:01 anyone using xfce? Oct 11 15:15:46 there are dependencies on packages that doesn't exist Oct 11 15:16:13 xfwm4-mcs-plugins for example Oct 11 15:18:18 katossi: submit a bug. But make sure to search first. Oct 11 15:18:59 I did Oct 11 15:19:03 I'm pretty sure Oct 11 15:19:10 but it's weird Oct 11 15:19:20 there are 4 non existant packages Oct 11 15:19:37 btw, I found a bug about dbh library and I report it Oct 11 15:20:03 I have just created a patch, but it's the first time I do it and I don't know if it's 100% right Oct 11 15:20:13 should I post it to the bugzila anyway? Oct 11 15:25:41 yeah, go ahead Oct 11 15:25:58 if it's not quite right, someone will tell you. Oct 11 15:27:29 ok Oct 11 15:27:31 thx Oct 11 15:33:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r47f2334c... 10/: file: autotools_stage_all in 4.13 Oct 11 15:33:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r65cb03de... 10/: libeina: add 0.96.5 Oct 11 15:38:13 'night all Oct 11 15:40:26 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9576976c... 10/: libeina: update to 0.96.7 Oct 11 15:40:47 sleep commits :) Oct 11 15:41:51 yeah, imagine how much more productive OE would be if we all did that Oct 11 16:07:57 if I modify a bb file, and I want to restore it to the "official" version, is it enough doing "monotone {pull,update}" ? Oct 11 16:08:50 monotone revert file Oct 11 16:09:20 thx Oct 11 16:09:36 that way I learned not to mess with the tree Oct 11 16:09:37 :) Oct 11 16:09:41 good night Oct 11 17:44:09 hey france Oct 11 17:57:26 hi. has anyone compiled osb-jscore under oe for machine mainstone? I have an error from a file ustring.cpp that I understand is from the KJS:: qualifiers used in the KJS namespace, something GCC4 has a problem with. But if i remove them, i get a complaint about undefined reference to `__cxa_guard_release' and `__cxa_guard_acquire'. Any ideas or recommended reading? Oct 11 17:59:10 ... I don't know if this will help you adam_ but people told me not to use GCC4 Oct 11 17:59:29 (It wasn't even building my system at all) .. so I set my preferred compiler to GCC3.4.4 Oct 11 18:01:56 is that an option to set in build/conf/local.conf? Oct 11 18:02:45 i see an option to use a prebuilt toolchain, but not an 'oe approved' one! Oct 11 18:04:41 thanks for the new train of thought, could be the magic bullet... Oct 11 18:05:35 well Oct 11 18:05:38 what I did was Oct 11 18:05:42 in my local.conf Oct 11 18:06:05 PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc ?= "3.4.4" Oct 11 18:06:05 PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross ?= "3.4.4" Oct 11 18:06:05 PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross-initial ?= "3.4.4" Oct 11 18:07:38 ahh, brilliant, that doesn't appear in mine as a commented off option. thanks very much :-) Oct 11 18:07:57 no problem, was in a similar boat as you. Oct 11 18:08:33 (right now my boat is some code that tries to link against the c++ libraries... only I can't find any in the staging folder) Oct 11 18:10:30 I'd love to return the favour, but I'm a newbie to this. my main activities over the last year has been porting linux to other PXA270 based platforms, hence the interest in mainstone apps to run on them Oct 11 18:11:13 treke: hi, I am over here france_ Oct 11 18:11:16 ah... for some company? Oct 11 18:11:22 hehe :) Oct 11 18:11:44 yeah, intel Oct 11 18:12:11 sophia systems make the new platforms though Oct 11 18:12:25 ... that would make sense. Perhaps 3 months ago I should've chosen a PXA270 dev board. Oct 11 18:12:34 live and learn. Oct 11 18:12:44 what you running on? Oct 11 18:12:54 OMAP5912 board Oct 11 18:13:22 ahh, the competition! Oct 11 18:13:24 not too many surprises... the built-in LCD controller was amazingly easy to use. Oct 11 18:14:05 But in the end I think Intel chips are better supported. Oct 11 18:14:26 seems like TI know what they're doing, but... just what i was going to say Oct 11 18:14:47 Samsung are looking pretty good too Oct 11 18:15:40 ... strange... just the other day a samsung engineer was trying to hook up a OMAP to a samsung LCD Oct 11 18:16:22 * MP0 looks up samsung's arm offering Oct 11 18:17:04 ever used a sharp LCD with the 4 extra lines for config? I have to get one working and the docs are japanese ;-( Oct 11 18:18:17 what did those extra lines do? I'm using a sharp LCD right now. Oct 11 18:19:18 acx705akm-7 ... $20 for a business card size color display with no built-in controller... it's pretty spiffy Oct 11 18:19:48 lots of hobbyist appear to be gobbling them up Oct 11 18:20:04 Not exactly sure, its the LS022Q8DD06 and seems to be essential. All I have is uncommented code from the wince bsp to go by Oct 11 18:21:01 what's the controller chip on it? Oct 11 18:22:39 controller is in the PXA270, so its just sync,rgb,etc and these 4 extra lines for clocking in data while settin up the PXAs LCD config registers Oct 11 18:23:31 did a search on that part, came up sony! Oct 11 18:24:29 The only thing I see is the PXA reference platform Oct 11 18:24:52 so I was curious what chip was on the LCD panel (they typically have some kind of controller, even if it's not a smart memory mapped one) Oct 11 18:26:33 oh right, me being dumb, those 4 lines gotta talk to something haven't they? ;-) well, never prised the case open, and the (japanese) docs i don't have to hand Oct 11 18:27:19 nite folks Oct 11 18:27:25 night france Oct 11 18:27:33 nite treke Oct 11 18:29:48 hmm, better get some sleep myself, thanks again for the help NP0, you're a hero for the day! Oct 11 21:11:40 * france is away: Away Oct 11 22:01:42 hello, I am new around here. I hope a can help in some way with this project. I want to get a working depevelopment environment. I manage to make a gpe-image, but this image have so much in it, that the zaurus have no space left, I can't even edit files. Oct 11 22:02:26 I'm building off of bootstrap image Oct 11 22:02:34 I want to know if there is a file in the metadata that contains the packages to be included in the gpe-image. So I can remove son of this. Oct 11 22:02:38 which is probably more painful, but it starts small Oct 11 22:03:07 MP0: with the bootstrap image latter I can install package by package gpe ? Oct 11 22:03:38 theoretically. I've been installing stuff package-by-package as necessary Oct 11 22:04:47 MP0: hmm, I see, but that is going to hurt a little, I'm going to try. But is not there any way to edit some file to construct a gpe-image with less things ? Oct 11 22:05:09 There should be, but like you, I am new around here. Just a little less than you. Oct 11 22:06:47 I'm not sure where the images are defined Oct 11 22:09:48 MP0: :) I see. I have find some meta files (.bb files in the meta directory in the packages directory of the metadata) the points to gpe-image but I'm not sure what to edit. I will, try with this files. I will tell you if I find something. Oct 11 22:10:20 thanks anyway. Oct 11 22:11:07 k, thanks Oct 11 22:11:45 I want to make a gpe image, that's why I need gpe-image working fine. Oct 11 22:12:00 s/gpe image/ gpe application Oct 11 22:37:40 memeruiz: packages/meta/gpe-image.bb (or maybe task-gpe.bb). Anyway, packages/meta is where you want to be Oct 11 22:46:25 thank you Oct 11 22:46:55 ... lots of nice things in there! Oct 11 22:50:24 :-) Oct 11 22:58:20 grr Oct 11 23:00:22 okay, i am begining to think cout doesnt behave well with strings inside a class member Oct 11 23:00:54 like cout< inline Oct 11 23:01:22 so cout< i get nice garbage Oct 11 23:07:13 aha Oct 11 23:07:16 static string usrName(void) {return string("root");} Oct 11 23:13:19 JustinP: thanks, I have made some changes in that file, right now I'm building again, will see if a get a filesystem with some free space. Oct 11 23:15:08 memeruiz: ? Oct 11 23:15:16 memeruiz: good luck :-| Oct 11 23:15:20 night Oct 11 23:19:21 JustinP: thks Oct 11 23:44:15 yes, it work. I removed the gpe-task-connectivity (I thing this contains gpe-mini-browser and other stuff) and now I have 7MB free in the root filesystem. Now I can edit files. Oct 11 23:58:43 JustinP: do I need cvs access to compile an e-image? Oct 12 00:05:31 hi Oct 12 00:35:21 anyoe using xfce-image ? Oct 12 00:46:57 morning all Oct 12 00:47:49 hi Oct 12 01:14:38 morning Oct 12 01:15:09 * myopiate needs a faster computer to build his OE distributions Oct 12 01:17:11 I like OE. It's making a LOT of things easier for me but I want more Oct 12 01:18:07 parallel package building (like make -j) should be a possibility Oct 12 01:21:06 some more image formats (yaffs for my NAND flash) would be cool too Oct 12 01:21:22 patches welcome :) Oct 12 01:23:02 hey koen Oct 12 01:24:08 hey koen Oct 12 01:24:23 I'm still finding my way round... I have a look at how the jffs2 stuff works. Oct 12 01:25:08 yaffs? Oct 12 01:25:24 yet another flash file system Oct 12 01:25:29 hey mithro & zecke Oct 12 01:26:23 yaffs was much faster, but jffs2 got a lot faster with the summary patches Oct 12 01:26:27 ~spell summary Oct 12 01:26:30 'summary' may be spelled correctly Oct 12 01:26:54 there is also the new logfs Oct 12 01:28:42 where can I read about these summary patches? Oct 12 01:29:41 hey ljp, you alive? Oct 12 01:30:19 zecke: what you up to? Oct 12 01:30:32 myopiate: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2004-November/010910.html Oct 12 01:30:35 guys, should bitbake work under cygwin ? Oct 12 01:31:33 alan|laptop: "in theory" Oct 12 01:31:42 that being a really big in theory Oct 12 01:32:02 ok... i'll test that and report here. Oct 12 01:32:41 i think it could most probably discover some oe bugs Oct 12 01:33:16 ok. Oct 12 01:33:46 and other program bugs Oct 12 01:33:53 and holes in cygwin Oct 12 01:34:00 if i'm brave enough, i'll test colinux too... Oct 12 01:34:13 alan|laptop: colinux rocks Oct 12 01:34:47 XorA, does it ? I wonder how heavy on memory it is... Oct 12 01:35:32 alan|laptop: just whatever you tell it to use Oct 12 01:35:50 XorA, ho ? ok. quite silmple ;) Oct 12 01:35:55 alan|laptop: I ran OE on colinux for ages Oct 12 01:36:29 mmm... the bad point is bitbake needs 256mo in ram, doesn't it ? Oct 12 01:36:46 alan|laptop: 45M last I checked Oct 12 01:37:25 glop glop !!! Oct 12 01:38:14 alan|laptop: I ran on a 1.7GHz P4 with 768M of ram and 256 allowed for colinux I beleive Oct 12 01:38:25 alan|laptop: took something like 16 hours to do gpe-image Oct 12 01:38:49 though these P4's suck and are crippled by really slow FSB and RAM Oct 12 01:38:58 ~lart compaq Oct 12 01:38:59 not a lot of difference with my duron 1.3ghz 512mo ram... Oct 12 01:38:59 * ibot sends a legion of lawyers after compaq's head Oct 12 01:39:05 :) Oct 12 01:39:52 ho ! XorA, btw, my wifi card works... i'm back in windows XP ;( Oct 12 01:40:14 alan|laptop: sucks, but sometimes cheapassed manufacturers force that upon you Oct 12 01:40:22 yeah... Oct 12 01:58:03 did somebody force you to buy the cheapassed manufacturers product? Oct 12 01:58:37 mithro, well, can i say my boss ? he underpays me... ;) Oct 12 02:00:54 hi guys Oct 12 02:15:03 hi bluelightning Oct 12 02:17:29 hey Bernardo Oct 12 02:21:37 hi hrw|work Oct 12 02:24:01 bluelightning: one user of pdax make big changes to kbdd when added few Irda keyboards Oct 12 02:24:18 bluelightning: http://kopsis.blogspot.com/ Oct 12 02:24:44 yay Oct 12 02:24:47 more forks Oct 12 02:24:50 woohoo Oct 12 02:24:53 Oct 12 02:25:00 sarcasm* Oct 12 02:25:33 I just 'love' zaurus devels... Oct 12 02:26:35 'convert to a custom iPaq keymap that doesn't even come close to what the Zaurus built-in keyboard uses.' Oct 12 02:26:52 he actually means 'normal scancodes instead of sharp crack' Oct 12 02:27:28 * Bernardo is still battling libtool on his amd64 Oct 12 02:27:52 koen: see my comment on top post Oct 12 02:29:13 hmm... yeah I don't like forks either Oct 12 02:29:42 I prefer spoons... but that's another story Oct 12 02:29:43 who likes them? Oct 12 02:30:13 but seriously though, I don't think I fully understand why they couldn't be the same codebase Oct 12 02:30:20 bluelightning: there is no spoon Oct 12 02:30:27 irk has atleast 3 different versions.. each one have support for other keyboards and suxx Oct 12 02:30:38 koen: true... maybe a spork then Oct 12 02:30:48 bluelightning: he wants kbdd to spit out keycodes compatible to the sharp keyboard Oct 12 02:31:23 koen: so, a "sharp mode" of the same app then? Oct 12 02:31:51 yes Oct 12 02:32:17 on ipaqs you could use xmodmap for that Oct 12 02:32:29 but on a zaurus that would mess up the internal keyboard Oct 12 02:32:32 still though, I suppose there are going to be ipaq keyboards that will never be usable on a zaurus and vice versa... but you can get around that by just using compiler directives Oct 12 02:40:25 bluelightning: some of ipaq keyboard will probably never get attached to zaurus anyway Oct 12 02:40:51 in 2.6 it shouldn't be a problem iirc Oct 12 02:41:02 hrw|work: that's what I meant Oct 12 02:41:07 RP cleaned up the keyboard driver afaik Oct 12 02:47:05 koen: X understands having more then 1 keyboard if i remeber correctly Oct 12 02:47:16 (each with seperate keymaps) Oct 12 02:47:47 mithro: yeah, but I don't know how that works with banging bits into uinput Oct 12 02:48:48 X keymap thing is something what I dont like Oct 12 02:49:34 I can extend that to 'X input handling' Oct 12 02:53:24 I have 2 'keyboards' at home with desktop... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 12 02:59:56 2005