**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 22 02:59:56 2005 Oct 22 03:03:08 koen: openzaurus.org instructions are unfortunately no longer current Oct 22 03:03:25 for this particular purpose Oct 22 03:03:35 require old bitbake Oct 22 03:04:11 and openembedded.org (to which the instructions refer) is down Oct 22 03:09:37 there should be an OE snapshot in the download section Oct 22 03:10:46 of openzaurus.org ? Oct 22 03:11:19 I'll have a look there Oct 22 03:34:24 morning Oct 22 04:47:55 zecke: ping! Oct 22 05:02:42 * mickeyl waves Oct 22 05:02:44 hi guys Oct 22 05:03:31 hey mickeyl Oct 22 05:03:39 how's your 770? Oct 22 05:03:44 grrr Oct 22 05:03:48 ~curse DPD Oct 22 05:03:50 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DPD ! Oct 22 05:03:56 didn't get it yet Oct 22 05:04:32 hi mickeyl Oct 22 05:04:37 looks like it's waiitng in a storage hall in Duisburg (GER) for someone to ship it to Frankfurt/M Oct 22 05:04:40 hi richard Oct 22 05:05:03 which of course gets shipped to Frankfurt/O Oct 22 05:05:09 heh, please not :) Oct 22 05:05:19 how's yours? Oct 22 05:05:28 pure sweetness Oct 22 05:05:43 but anything that runs scummvm qualifies for that :) Oct 22 05:08:09 770? Oct 22 05:08:40 mickeyl: For reference, we have a problem with 2.6 on Akita. Akita contains a different flash chip which 2.6 kernels don't work with :-( Oct 22 05:08:51 mithro: http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/support/770 Oct 22 05:13:12 RP: yeah got that from the logs. pretty unpleasant. did you have a chance to look at the diff between the spitz and akita sharpsl code yet? Oct 22 05:14:05 mickeyl: Yes. I've also had someone try some patches. I haven't got it working :-( Oct 22 05:15:47 koen: any good? Oct 22 05:16:08 mithro: I'd almost say it's the perfect linux device Oct 22 05:16:25 with more ram and a faster cpu it would be perfect Oct 22 05:16:35 Its cpu is slow :-/ Oct 22 05:16:46 hello all Oct 22 05:17:01 hi metasoup_ Oct 22 05:17:17 hello! just flashed my 5500 a few days ago Oct 22 05:17:28 and pivot_rooted it with rboot yesterday Oct 22 05:17:35 koen: battery life is a bit short Oct 22 05:17:40 and no USB host support Oct 22 05:17:56 what file do I have to leave on the /media/realroot/ fs ? Oct 22 05:18:07 mithro: No USB host support? That doesn't sound right... Oct 22 05:18:39 USB device mode for PC connectivity Oct 22 05:18:50 no mention of USB host mode for device connectivity Oct 22 05:18:52 etc / rboot.conf, init maybe Oct 22 05:19:00 mithro: that's 3 hours with continuous wlan Oct 22 05:19:01 I'm "fairly sure" it can do both ;-) Oct 22 05:19:10 anyone has done this before ? Oct 22 05:19:12 I used it all day yesterday without recharging Oct 22 05:19:24 this morning the battery was at 75% Oct 22 05:19:47 koen: i want 8 hours with continuous wlan :P Oct 22 05:19:57 somebody needs to invent a better battery Oct 22 05:20:14 i wonder why no a as well Oct 22 05:20:17 when I need battery I'll use gprs anyway Oct 22 05:20:29 s/a/802.11a Oct 22 05:20:35 anyway i have to go to lunch Oct 22 05:20:38 see ya people! Oct 22 05:20:50 bye Oct 22 05:20:55 mithro: cya Oct 22 05:21:43 RP, is it the right place to ask some advices about rboot ? Oct 22 05:22:33 the rboot experts are on openzaurus-devel@lists.sf.net Oct 22 05:22:44 or on #openzaurus (unlikely) Oct 22 05:23:04 ok, thx, I'll walk around there... Oct 22 05:23:25 if I don't get stick with summvm before :) Oct 22 05:23:33 s/stick/stuck/ Oct 22 05:26:00 hehe Oct 22 05:26:07 Does it run 'The Dig' yet? Oct 22 05:26:20 or was that another eninge? Oct 22 05:26:22 engine, even Oct 22 05:26:27 huh, I am not sure Oct 22 05:26:32 let me check Oct 22 05:27:07 dig runs in scummvm too Oct 22 05:30:08 If you say so, I had the remebering it was still under porting... happy to hear it :) Oct 22 05:30:21 is Gobliiins ported ? Oct 22 05:30:57 (oops, probabaly said sthg stupid -- is it running with scummvm ???) Oct 22 05:32:14 I have "the Day Of the tentacle", "Indy 4" and "Sam & Max" making me happy during my pauses at work Oct 22 05:33:30 like said here gobliiins is aviable for scummvm: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScummVM Oct 22 05:34:14 cool Oct 22 05:34:37 and it is freely downloadable from a frech abandonware site Oct 22 05:34:46 s/frech/french/ Oct 22 05:34:55 no idea Oct 22 05:35:24 I have seen it a few weeks ago Oct 22 05:35:50 http://www.abandonware-france.org/ Oct 22 05:45:31 yay for free wireless! Oct 22 05:45:51 yay Oct 22 05:46:27 is it a "shouting at the stars" ??? Oct 22 05:46:41 a card to give ? Oct 22 05:46:50 why hasn't someone invented the better battery yet? Oct 22 05:47:18 why didn't invented also a replacement to gas Oct 22 05:47:38 my battery last for a very few hours Oct 22 05:47:42 i think we should turn batteries into IC's then we could exploit Moores law in battery capacity :P Oct 22 05:48:14 to bad it's not that simple Oct 22 05:48:39 BTW, is it possible to buy new zaurus 5500 batteries somewhere ? Oct 22 05:48:47 mine looks like very old Oct 22 05:49:36 Asimov was far far away from now when he was talking about micro-nuclear unlimited batteries Oct 22 05:51:16 there is no real reason why you couldn't have micro-nuclear devices - the problem is that they would be heavy Oct 22 05:51:36 as nuclear fission requires heavy elements Oct 22 05:51:48 now micro-fusion devices would kick ass :P Oct 22 05:51:56 heh Oct 22 05:52:06 huh__ burn ass ;) Oct 22 05:52:41 how much power does a single fusion event put out? Oct 22 05:52:59 (ie one H+H -> He?) Oct 22 05:53:38 I already have many electricity replacements at home - fotocalorics panels (is it a correct english ?) Oct 22 05:53:47 preparing heat pumps Oct 22 05:54:00 fotocalorics? your mean solar panels? Oct 22 05:54:07 Here in belgium we have subsidies for alternate energies Oct 22 05:54:25 yes, but taking the heat, not transforming it into electricity Oct 22 05:54:40 it is much more efficient for warming water Oct 22 05:54:41 ahh for heating water and such? Oct 22 05:55:03 not a practial portable electronic source however :P Oct 22 05:55:11 yes: we don't use any fuel anymore for our showers and domestic water Oct 22 05:55:17 not yet ;) Oct 22 05:55:38 memeruiz: well it will never be practial by it'self Oct 22 05:55:51 you need something to store the energy so the device still works while it's dark Oct 22 05:56:31 memeruiz: how do you keep the water hot at 4am in the morning? Oct 22 05:56:39 during the winter it works at 40 to 60 % Oct 22 05:57:03 the tank is well isolated so we have 300 liters kept warms for about two or three days Oct 22 05:57:13 the newly isolated tanks are very ggod Oct 22 05:57:19 how hot is warm? Oct 22 05:57:25 30C? 60C? 80C? Oct 22 05:57:59 (did my mesage go trough ?) Oct 22 05:58:10 it can go up to 90C in the summer Oct 22 05:58:25 and 50 during the winter Oct 22 05:58:50 even when the sky is grey and cloudy Oct 22 05:59:35 the next question is how much did it cost in terms of production costs? Oct 22 05:59:57 it if produced more C02 emissions during the production then it will ever save then that is bad :P Oct 22 06:00:10 2000 euros for the production cost Oct 22 06:00:35 but these solar panels are made of plastic and sort of iron Oct 22 06:00:58 plastic and steal creation are very expensive processes Oct 22 06:01:45 surely less than burning many years of gasoil for your shower ! Oct 22 06:02:37 the new instant hot water systems are pretty efficent Oct 22 06:02:46 the solar electric panels are very bad for the environment Oct 22 06:02:46 they only heat water as you use it Oct 22 06:03:25 yeah, solar electric panels are at the moment about 4 times worse for the enviroment then using dirty coal Oct 22 06:04:07 when you take into account all the emissions required to both make then and then destory them at the end of there lifetime Oct 22 06:04:23 the gouvernment is giving nearly half the price here in Belgium for this equipment (photo-caloric, not photo-voltaic, which are VERY diffenret), the made big studies before financing it here Oct 22 06:04:50 yes, for the electrical devices Oct 22 06:05:05 most "sofa" enviromentalists forget the upfront cost of creating things Oct 22 06:05:19 those who only take the sun are 'green' in comparison Oct 22 06:05:24 mithro, I agree Oct 22 06:05:59 My zaurus and my four computers tell me this every day :{ Oct 22 06:06:12 but these panels are very good Oct 22 06:06:33 sun heat -> heat water seems pretty good Oct 22 06:06:39 not a lot of parts required either Oct 22 06:07:03 yes, it is only tubes and sheets of metal in a black plastic box Oct 22 06:07:25 with a small sysetm to take the heat or cut the exchange when it too cold outside Oct 22 06:07:25 plus a lot of insulation Oct 22 06:07:45 it works even with clouds Oct 22 06:08:06 insulation is most probably the best way to cut the homes carbon emissions Oct 22 06:08:21 surely, and the next step: install the heat pump Oct 22 06:08:41 many places heat pumps arn't very good Oct 22 06:08:47 nearly same system as a fridge Oct 22 06:08:49 ie when the temperature difference is considerable Oct 22 06:09:01 but in much bigger :) Oct 22 06:09:16 it acts in both ways: warming and cooling Oct 22 06:09:56 metasoup_: in Australia when it's 45C outside and 22C inside heat pumps are extremly inefficent Oct 22 06:10:14 same with like Moscow with outside -15C and inside +22C Oct 22 06:10:24 if you have a source, or a pound, it is perfect as the water exchanges the heat much more Oct 22 06:10:29 I agree :) Oct 22 06:11:10 I make some gospel for those who can be saved :P Oct 22 06:12:35 welp, i have finished lunch Oct 22 06:12:56 I'll have some tea, brb Oct 22 06:38:09 OpenEmbedded.org is down ? Oct 22 06:38:56 OSS542: handhelds.org is being moved and it serves oe.org if I remember rightly Oct 22 06:40:14 I see... many thanks...:-) Oct 22 07:29:04 Ah. That explains why I can't get to handhelds.org. :) Oct 22 07:30:18 it should be up again at 22:00 EST Oct 22 07:30:26 which is ±12 hours from now Oct 22 07:30:41 I'll be in bed by then, I hope. :) Oct 22 07:30:50 * koen too Oct 22 07:33:30 koen: I'm currently abusing ewi Oct 22 07:33:51 zecke: sure, go ahead Oct 22 07:34:04 zecke_: I think mithro was looking for you Oct 22 07:34:21 koen: yeah I need to tell him how setting up the server went Oct 22 07:38:10 zecke_: how was your hacking session? Oct 22 07:38:48 lousy ;) Oct 22 07:39:03 koen: I got distracted by Java Oct 22 07:41:15 heh Oct 22 07:41:55 reenoo:http://db.apache.org/ojb/ <- sounds pretty cool Oct 22 08:10:47 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r30a86070... 10/: ixp4xx: Bumped PR to make it rebuild due to kernel version change Oct 22 08:10:51 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r435eda25... 10/: ixp425-eth: Bumped PR to make it rebuild due to kernel version change Oct 22 10:41:12 XorA: ping Oct 22 10:41:58 mickeyl|cinema: Could you add some md5sums to the RC download dirs when you get back please? Oct 22 10:47:59 night Oct 22 10:56:43 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rd51beddf... 10/: set NETCONSOLE to m instead of y Oct 22 10:56:47 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r4350e5b1... 10/: Oct 22 10:56:47 openslug defconfig: changed settings to support wider range of hardware Oct 22 10:56:47 * CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m (for audio extraction from cdrom) Oct 22 10:56:47 * CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=m (for audio extraction from cdrom) Oct 22 10:56:47 * CONFIG_USB_PWC=m (module for Philips and Logitech Webcams) Oct 22 10:56:47 * CONFIG_USB_EHCI_SPLIT_ISO=y (support USB 1.1 devices on USB 2.0 hubs) Oct 22 10:56:49 * CONFIG_CPU_BIG_ENDIAN=y (should be the default until LE is more mature) Oct 22 11:43:00 * zecke_ ordered thai food Oct 22 11:43:20 * Twiun got ordered to cook Oct 22 11:44:40 some TeX expert around? Oct 22 11:50:52 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r56b3ed4e... 10/: bumped PRCONFIG since I modified defconfig Oct 22 11:50:57 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rc39d6bcb... 10/: Been told that I should also bump PR for ixp when I bump PR_CONFIG in the {nslu2, openslug} bb files; so here it is... (better safe than sorry) Oct 22 12:06:33 zecke_, I've been using LaTeX quite a lot. Oct 22 12:06:50 niklash: I want to renew the maketitle command Oct 22 12:07:11 e.g I want to use \@author in my new title but this does not work... Oct 22 12:08:10 Do you want a new title page, or what? Oct 22 12:08:39 niklash: yes, I could not use maketitle, but I want to learn TeX ;) Oct 22 12:08:48 Or update what goes in page headers? Oct 22 12:09:07 a complete new title page Oct 22 12:09:24 I've never done that. Oct 22 12:09:49 I guess you could always cheat and just do a page with that look manually. Oct 22 12:10:05 What happens if you do a new \maketitle? Oct 22 12:10:25 You can't use `\spacefactor' in vertical mode. Oct 22 12:11:18 Never used \spacefactor either. Oct 22 12:11:29 niklash: I have not used it :( Oct 22 12:11:45 just entered a \@author Oct 22 12:11:46 What I meant with cheat is basically \newpage\hspace{3cm}\begin{center}... Oct 22 12:12:23 s/hspace/vspace/ Oct 22 12:13:03 niklash: I could, but I want to create by 'assignment' documentclass Oct 22 12:13:22 ? Oct 22 12:13:44 niklash: cya later, my food arrived Oct 22 12:14:10 I. I need to do some cooking here too. (Have to work for it :) Oct 22 12:33:41 zecke_: ping Oct 22 12:33:53 zecke_: i ended up doing a release Oct 22 12:38:32 mithro: hey Oct 22 12:43:30 * mithro points to www.thousandparsec.net :P Oct 22 12:55:54 hi zecke_, zecke__ Oct 22 13:05:19 pb_: hi Oct 22 13:53:28 What mp3 players does OE have that will run well on an arm pxa and have native alsa support? Oct 22 13:53:55 hm opieplayer? *ducks and hide* Oct 22 13:55:40 That has alsa support? Oct 22 13:56:08 hm xine backend, so maybee it has alsa supoort Oct 22 13:56:49 woglinde: he asked for something running good.. Oct 22 13:57:24 zecke look at my "duck and hide" Oct 22 13:57:33 I want to test my sound driver so I really need a player that's known to work :-/ Oct 22 13:58:14 madplay Oct 22 13:59:23 I normally use madplay. Its OSS based though... Oct 22 13:59:52 madplay has had alsa support for over a year now Oct 22 13:59:52 and doesn't work with my driver with OSS emulation :-/ Oct 22 14:00:55 I wonder how old my ipk is... Oct 22 14:01:00 --with-alsa seem to be what you need to build it with alsa Oct 22 14:02:17 aha. I'll try that, thanks Oct 22 14:02:27 I just assumed it was oss only... Oct 22 19:21:13 * france is back (gone 22:43:29) Oct 22 19:22:34 erm, is hh down? Oct 22 19:22:47 * kergoth should switch from using his hh email addy to using one at kergoth.com for his primary Oct 22 19:30:22 it's still down? Oct 22 19:30:24 yikes Oct 22 19:30:35 it's "moving" Oct 22 19:31:08 * kergoth sighs Oct 22 19:31:34 didnt realize it was down. subscribed to transgaming to get cedega, but with my hh address out of commission, i cant get the password to the account. Oct 22 19:31:37 :\ Oct 22 19:33:06 cool a new tropical storm ... Alpha Oct 22 19:35:40 that sucks Oct 22 19:35:50 Alpha is out? :-| Oct 22 19:36:40 yup Oct 22 20:41:24 night Oct 22 20:42:50 hi :) who is working on the EFL? Oct 22 20:45:40 me....why? Oct 22 21:12:04 ftp, cvs, e-mail, mailman, and archives appear to be working, minor permission gliches in http (fxing) Oct 22 21:17:16 nice Oct 22 21:18:57 some users may have some issues, as there service provider has not updates their dns records Oct 22 21:19:20 I suspect those users will not be able to reach hh.org until monday morning worst case Oct 22 21:19:36 please see the front page of hh.org for news. Oct 22 21:21:44 ~praise france Oct 22 21:21:51 All hail france! Oct 22 21:22:41 kergoth: thanks Oct 22 21:29:07 bleh Oct 22 21:29:24 excuse you Oct 22 21:29:26 nothing like writing a nice long CYA report to ruin a saturday night Oct 22 22:41:15 Good morning ... Oct 22 22:44:06 Any idea, what happend with www.handhelds.org ? Oct 22 22:47:18 isp problems, I think Oct 23 00:40:27 * france is away: Away Oct 23 02:33:59 morning !! Oct 23 02:38:20 alan|home: indeed it is. Oct 23 02:38:29 no need to sound so surprised, though; it happens every day at about this time Oct 23 02:41:30 pb_: i'm not surpised, i'm happy. Oct 23 02:45:08 aha. Oct 23 02:46:07 pb_: it is really interesting to use a home made version, and it's also really easy thanks to bitbake. But i'm not a dev, so sometimes i feel lost... Oct 23 02:46:34 so a new official release is definitely good news Oct 23 02:47:52 indeed. all hail releasemaster mickeyl! Oct 23 02:48:02 ^^ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 23 02:59:57 2005