**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 26 02:59:58 2005 Oct 26 03:09:32 hrw|work: Yes, we can do the same. I suspect there are some bugs in the SoC audio code though... Oct 26 03:16:43 lot of modules.. Oct 26 03:18:20 RP: which one is most important one? Oct 26 03:23:21 hrw|work: what is the RDEPENDS varibale for? I don't find it in the manual Oct 26 03:23:36 katossi: DEPENDS = build time depends Oct 26 03:23:43 RDEPENDS = package install depends Oct 26 03:24:13 packages install depends? what does it mean? I'm really a newbie with oe Oct 26 03:24:13 RuntimeDEPENDS I think of it as. Oct 26 03:24:25 After a while of confusing it with Reverse DEPENDS. Oct 26 03:29:41 hrw|work: snd-soc-wm8731, and the pxa2xx-i2s one Oct 26 03:29:56 ok Oct 26 03:30:01 will add theminto /etc/modules Oct 26 03:30:22 I use a script to modprobe them all... Oct 26 03:31:10 snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss are the oss compatibility modules Oct 26 03:31:26 I know - use alsa on desktop for 'ages' Oct 26 03:32:32 I end up probing for snd, snd-pcm, snd-pxa2xx-soc, snd-pxa2xx-soc-i2s, snd-pxa2xx-pcm, snd-soc-core and snd-soc-wm8731 Oct 26 03:32:51 I can't remember which ones autoload the others... Oct 26 03:33:23 now where in OE we have alsa mixers. Oct 26 03:33:57 One of the alsa modules - I installed them all... Oct 26 03:34:00 :) Oct 26 03:34:26 http://pastebin.com/406307 < what's wrong ? I am using familiar 083 trunk Oct 26 03:34:44 snd-soc-wm8731 get snd_soc_core snd_timer snd_pcm snd snd_page_alloc Oct 26 03:35:35 snd_pxa2xx_soc is important Oct 26 03:37:51 where can I find info anbout RDEPENDS and all the reserved words? I can't find it in the "getting started" howto Oct 26 03:38:09 search for that work in wiki Oct 26 03:38:30 there is a page which describe most Oct 26 03:39:07 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/bb_20file Oct 26 03:40:05 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/d/keyRDEPENDS.html Oct 26 03:42:13 why is this crosscompiling failing all the time? I already tried on 2 machines... Oct 26 03:51:36 morning folks Oct 26 03:54:58 RP: playing simple wave does not work Oct 26 03:55:07 hey ade|desk Oct 26 03:55:19 RP: http://pastebin.ca/26720 Oct 26 03:57:25 hrw|work: That's interesting. This is probably another sign of that bug I was talking about... Oct 26 03:59:28 hrw|work: I think its because its a 22,050khz file - I'm not sure we support that bitrate... Oct 26 03:59:50 ok - will search for 44100 one or 8000 Oct 26 04:00:29 I thought ALSA could do transcoding of these things but perhaps not... Oct 26 04:01:16 I've just checked and that sample rate is not supported by the codec :-/ Oct 26 04:01:38 44.1k and 8k are both supported - I've been testing with 44.1k mp3s Oct 26 04:02:14 cxx00 do support 22.05k files as I was entering the modes last night :) Oct 26 04:02:21 8k one also doesnot play Oct 26 04:02:30 same error? Oct 26 04:02:39 yep Oct 26 04:04:30 8k is supported and should work. This could still be that bug I was talking about earlier. Does aplay use libasound or the oss emulator? Oct 26 04:04:53 RP: alsa will transcode but only in the libalsa layer Oct 26 04:05:06 RP: they seperated very well user space from kernel space operations Oct 26 04:05:37 XorA: So transcoding isn't available for oss emulation. I guess that's fair enough Oct 26 04:05:54 RP: esd/the opie side should take care of that though Oct 26 04:06:15 Yes, not my problem :) Oct 26 04:06:16 heh.. had to use alsamixer and now 44100 and 8000 works Oct 26 04:06:30 hrw|work: What did you need to change? Oct 26 04:06:52 RP: (un)mute Oct 26 04:07:57 and that caused a hw_param error to clear. Weird... Oct 26 04:08:20 RP: http://pastebin.ca/26723 is my current settings Oct 26 04:08:28 stored via 'alsactl store' Oct 26 04:09:03 RP: I still have that errors but now something comes from speaker Oct 26 04:09:11 The DAC Soft Mute? Oct 26 04:09:42 in alsa world I dont understand 95% of switches Oct 26 04:10:14 If you're interested, get the wm8731 datasheet - it will give you an idea of what the c7x0 ones do Oct 26 04:10:18 switched dac soft mute and something from speaker appeared too - will put something better to test on device Oct 26 04:10:57 I'm a little concerned the hw_param error is still there. That sounds like the bug I was chasing... Oct 26 04:13:54 RP: any wave file give me the same output from speaker (all those files plays ok on desktop) Oct 26 04:15:26 hrw|work: Not good. I'd suspect that hw_param error means it doesn't set the speed or something... Oct 26 04:15:53 maybe Oct 26 04:18:20 RP: http://pastebin.ca/26725 is dmesg during aplay Oct 26 04:20:41 hrw|work: Are there any "wm8731 Writing:" messages before that? Oct 26 04:21:02 Those messages all look correct btw Oct 26 04:21:24 Actually, I don't like the look of the no more DMA channels Oct 26 04:21:46 RP: no - thats all output Oct 26 04:22:59 So it never actually sets the device up. It just turns on the power, then turns it off again! Oct 26 04:23:52 I'll have to build aplay and experiment... Oct 26 04:24:22 aplay is in alsa-utils Oct 26 04:25:17 hrw|work: Do you have a url for a 44.1k wav file? Oct 26 04:26:27 w8 Oct 26 04:27:21 RP: http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/44100m.wav Oct 26 04:29:35 hrw|work: I've just tried this and I see a different output to you. I suspect you've confused the kernel and a reboot might help. This wav does sound rather strange on my speaker as well though Oct 26 04:30:27 The url was useful as I could download staight to the Z :) Oct 26 04:30:32 ok. will reboot Oct 26 04:36:40 hmm.. more modules to load Oct 26 04:38:47 works better now Oct 26 04:39:33 and sounds good too Oct 26 04:40:50 http://pastebin.ca/26727 - dmesg on top, command on bottom Oct 26 04:41:09 RP: removing modules fsck alsa probably Oct 26 04:41:52 hrw|work: Yes, that looks much more normal :) Oct 26 04:42:16 11025m, 22050s, 8000m, 44100m works Oct 26 04:42:40 It was your 22khz wav that did the damage - It upset the driver and it didn't unload meaning the later attempts to use it found the device busy Oct 26 04:42:55 22050 works now? Oct 26 04:43:01 no problem Oct 26 04:43:44 will put all on web in a minute Oct 26 04:44:22 http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/ Oct 26 04:45:06 What did you do differently this time I wonder?... Oct 26 04:45:17 thanks Oct 26 04:45:42 RP: this time I did not rmmod alsa before trying Oct 26 04:47:57 now I created 1M wave from mp3 so I could test does it sound ok Oct 26 04:47:58 hrw|work: Ah :). Something to watch for in future I guess... Oct 26 04:48:18 * XorA is just finishing alsa install Oct 26 04:49:10 RP: OK. 44100s sounds OK Oct 26 04:50:35 hrw|work: Great :) Oct 26 04:50:42 (if sound from c760 speaker can sound ok :) Oct 26 04:59:23 hrw|work: what modules do you have installed? Oct 26 05:00:58 all -snd- ones Oct 26 05:01:06 will remove 2 Oct 26 05:01:35 which 2? Oct 26 05:01:39 kernel-module-snd-ac97-bus-2.6 and kernel-module-snd-ac97-codec-2.6 Oct 26 05:01:49 are they not needed? Oct 26 05:02:11 or no.. now I see that snd_pxa2xx_ac97 use them Oct 26 05:03:47 RP: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421 Oct 26 05:07:45 hrw|work: I'll have a look at it later. Too many different things going on at the moment. That one could be opie or the kernel... Oct 26 05:07:58 sure Oct 26 05:08:09 just wanted to give you info Oct 26 05:09:59 cs: pcmcia_socket0: time out after reset. Oct 26 05:10:02 argh.. Oct 26 05:10:36 which means that my bt cf card does not appear at all.. Oct 26 05:14:07 RP: is it known problem? Oct 26 05:17:08 RP: after few 'pccardctl eject;pccardctl insert' card is visible Oct 26 05:17:12 cool. Did you also take a look at the crackling on opening the device yet? Oct 26 05:18:41 re Oct 26 05:18:46 is there any method to get info which driver is used for CF card in slot which will work on 2.4 and 2.6? Oct 26 05:19:35 RP: OOI is the C3000 charger the same as the C760/C860? Oct 26 05:21:12 heh.. /sys/bus/pcmcia/devices/0.0/driver/ lack 'name' Oct 26 05:21:19 ~lart sysfs Oct 26 05:21:19 * ibot raises middle finger to sysfs Oct 26 05:22:15 do I want too much? simple checking 'does cf card is dtl1_cs based or not' is not possible without too much code Oct 26 05:26:11 hrw|work: I think you've answered your own question there Oct 26 05:26:39 mickeyl: The crackliing issue will be dealt with by the totally new code - not sorted yet though (need to implelent power control properly) Oct 26 05:26:59 hrw|work: I've not seen the cf problem you've described Oct 26 05:27:23 Noodles: Its the same Voltage output, yes. The actual chargers were different Oct 26 05:28:47 What about current? I'm looking to try and get a car adaptor for my spitz, but it seems a lot easier to find stuff for the C760. Oct 26 05:29:10 And I know the spitz likes to pull 700mA+ Oct 26 05:29:32 Both were 1A Oct 26 05:29:34 RP: I have that cf problem many times ;( Oct 26 05:29:37 can anyone please try to mt pull from vanille. I'm working on a NAT forward Oct 26 05:29:57 mickeyl: conenction failed Oct 26 05:30:16 hrw: thanks. so much for the iptables... Oct 26 05:30:36 hrw|work: I wouldn't know where to start with that problem :-/ Oct 26 05:31:20 mickeyl: you could try out the usher thing in monotone Oct 26 05:32:14 hmm Oct 26 05:32:16 *sigh* Oct 26 05:32:16 bbl Oct 26 05:34:12 koen: here ? Oct 26 05:34:46 i'm testing the gpe image Oct 26 05:34:55 makes the / partition 99% full Oct 26 05:35:09 settings can't be saved -> no touch screen Oct 26 05:35:48 plus several no space left on device Oct 26 05:35:54 i'm on a 750 Oct 26 05:37:56 with the RC image Oct 26 05:38:27 * XorA fails to get alsamixer to start Oct 26 05:39:48 * zecke_ could cry... Oct 26 05:40:47 zecke_: why ? Oct 26 05:40:50 hi XorA Oct 26 06:08:38 do you know why bit-bake gpe-image doesn't work? it gives me this output: http://pastebin.com/406425 Oct 26 06:09:19 bogus machine Oct 26 06:11:58 koen: no Oct 26 06:12:05 yes Oct 26 06:12:05 koen: what should be wrong with machine? Oct 26 06:12:19 it doesn't exist Oct 26 06:12:26 | configure.ac:39: /home/lucasvo/pda/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/m4: ERROR: Copying inserted file: No space left on device Oct 26 06:12:36 for me it is self explaining.. Oct 26 06:16:54 ahah I have alsa running Oct 26 06:16:56 sounding good Oct 26 06:17:06 but how do you turn speaker off? Oct 26 06:18:46 hrw|work: can you try to pull again Oct 26 06:18:52 mickeyl: wb Oct 26 06:18:55 hi Oct 26 06:18:58 mickeyl: that was fast?! Oct 26 06:19:05 monotone: connecting to monotone.vanille.de Oct 26 06:19:05 monotone: finding items to synchronize: Oct 26 06:19:06 works. Oct 26 06:19:08 yeppa! Oct 26 06:19:13 ~praise iptables Oct 26 06:19:17 All hail iptables! Oct 26 06:19:21 ~curse sysfs Oct 26 06:19:23 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sysfs ! Oct 26 06:20:15 RP: hrw|work pulling headphones out seems to kill alsa driver Oct 26 06:21:02 mickeyl: could you have a look at the patches in #350? Oct 26 06:25:32 time to tweak opie-appearance again a bit Oct 26 06:36:50 hrw|work: smaller top windows bar on c7x0 would be better, imo Oct 26 06:37:49 alan|home: thats nonconfigurable... Oct 26 06:37:52 ~lart trolltech Oct 26 06:37:52 * ibot whips out a sword and chops trolltech in half Oct 26 06:38:01 ha... too bad Oct 26 06:43:32 ~curse etsi Oct 26 06:43:35 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, etsi ! Oct 26 06:46:05 zecke_: what was the method to get screenwidth in qt/e? Oct 26 06:46:42 hrw|work: qApp->desktop()->width() Oct 26 06:47:01 thx Oct 26 06:47:53 koen: will do. Oct 26 06:51:33 ~seen drw Oct 26 06:51:41 drw was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 1d 21h 39m 42s ago, saying: 'you can cross-compile using Opie's build system and copy the appropriate files/directories if you prefer'. Oct 26 06:53:42 zecke_: so Im not the only one to suffer the horrors of ETSI :-) Oct 26 06:57:09 XorA: specially when vendors break the ETSI standard... Oct 26 06:59:02 zecke_: We wrote a SIM here, ETSI standards are so fuzzy in SIM stuff its hard to get them write Oct 26 06:59:05 right Oct 26 07:00:01 XorA: I'm toying (again) with the GSM Multiplexer (07.10)... Oct 26 07:01:01 zecke_: ETSI and Sun are the reason I am now a sysadmin :-D Oct 26 07:01:10 XorA: As things stand, you can't turn the headphones off. I'll try and add some hack to enable that soon... Oct 26 07:01:27 XorA: Pulling the headphones shouldn't change anything :-/ Oct 26 07:01:54 RP: may be coincidence, but moment I pulled headphone it stopped playing sound and will no longer play sound Oct 26 07:02:23 RP: I dont mind if headphones are on all time, its the internal speaker it would be nice to turn off Oct 26 07:03:02 XorA: Pulling headphones has no effect here... Oct 26 07:03:21 XorA: I know - we're just missing the framework to add that control at the moment (its machine specific) Oct 26 07:03:58 RP: Ill reboot and try again later Oct 26 07:06:43 XorA: I love inconsistant data sheets Oct 26 07:07:11 RP: http://pastebin.com/406494 Oct 26 07:07:12 XorA: like you switch to power mode 8, but the AT Command Reference tells only about 7 and 9 Oct 26 07:07:17 RP: do you have opie on device? Oct 26 07:07:26 niargh... i can't even uninstall gpe-task-games because of a non space left on device error Oct 26 07:07:59 hrw|work: I don Oct 26 07:08:03 hrw|work: I don' Oct 26 07:08:05 gah Oct 26 07:08:11 ok Oct 26 07:08:15 hrw|work: I don't at the moment, no :) Oct 26 07:08:33 That'll teach me to type with two Zaurii balanced on my knees :) Oct 26 07:08:59 RP: I got same as xora without headphones Oct 26 07:09:10 How did you trigger it? Oct 26 07:09:42 RP: started opieplayer2, clicked few times on screen (with screen ticks ON) Oct 26 07:09:50 rebooting Oct 26 07:10:10 Ah, so its a concurrent access problem perhaps Oct 26 07:14:25 ok. rebooted, started opie (with screen ticks ON), clicked few times and got LSA sound/core/pcm_lib.c:2302: BUG? Oct 26 07:14:42 manyyyy times Oct 26 07:14:55 Oct 26 14:02:43 c7x0 user.err kernel: ALSA sound/core/pcm_lib.c:2302: BUG? (substream->ops->copy != ((void *)0) || runtime->dma_area != ((void *)0)) (called from bf0683cc) Oct 26 07:15:30 hrw|work: Ok, I'll have to look into that one :) Oct 26 07:16:06 now sound is fscked Oct 26 07:16:11 root@c7x0:~# aplay /media/card/wave/44100s-mp3.wave Oct 26 07:16:11 Playing WAVE '/media/card/wave/44100s-mp3.wave' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo Oct 26 07:16:14 aplay: pcm_write:1146: write error: Invalid argument Oct 26 07:17:15 Once you see errors, the whole things falls apart :-/ Oct 26 07:17:26 yep Oct 26 07:17:32 I will be having words with Liam :) Oct 26 07:17:40 good luck Oct 26 07:18:15 What he's done is promising. Just needs some locking and error handling sanity by the looks of it Oct 26 07:18:41 RP: reloading modules does not help Oct 26 07:19:00 hrw|work: I'm surprised you can unload them... Oct 26 07:19:22 RP: without problems Oct 26 07:20:30 http://pastebin.ca/26744 - loaded modules, tried aplay with 44100s Oct 26 07:22:30 hrw|work: You reloaded alsa-pcm? Oct 26 07:22:36 I mean snd-pcm Oct 26 07:23:24 RP: all snd* Oct 26 07:23:56 root@c7x0:~# rmmod snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_soc_wm8731 snd_pxa2xx_soc snd_pxa2xx_soc_i2s snd_soc_core snd_pxa2xx_ac97 snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus snd_pxa2xx_pcm snd_pcm snd_timer snd snd_page_alloc Oct 26 07:24:00 Loading modules: snd-pxa2xx-pcm snd-pxa2xx-ac97 snd-pxa2xx-soc-i2s snd-pxa2xx-soc snd-soc-core snd-soc-wm8731 snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-device snd-seq snd-page-alloc snd-timer snd snd-pcm ircomm-tty pxaficp_ir rfcomm Oct 26 07:25:12 hrw|work: Ok, that's a bug in sme drivers init functions then... Oct 26 07:25:22 All good to know :) Oct 26 07:28:16 ;) Oct 26 07:30:41 hi tmbinc Oct 26 07:31:41 hi woglinde :) Oct 26 07:39:19 ~lart sharp for that small cover of usbser connector Oct 26 07:39:19 * ibot slams sharp against a large cement Tux for that small cover of usbser connector Oct 26 07:51:05 hi drw Oct 26 07:52:55 ~lart QT once more Oct 26 07:52:55 * ibot declares QT once more a moron Oct 26 07:53:59 hm qt oder trolltech? Oct 26 07:54:15 ups Oct 26 07:54:15 yes Oct 26 07:54:16 or Oct 26 07:54:19 damned Oct 26 08:07:15 ladies and gentlemen, take care or hrw|work might lart you ! do whathever he wants you to do... (^^) Oct 26 08:08:04 ~lart me so that hrw|work doesn't lart first Oct 26 08:08:05 * ibot strangles me so that hrw|work doesn't lart first with a 9-pole serial cable Oct 26 08:10:39 * mickeyl ponders whether to go home or continue idling Oct 26 08:10:54 mickeyl: test opie-notes 0.3 :) Oct 26 08:10:54 idling at home is normally more comfy Oct 26 08:18:18 hrw|work: is opie notes in the menu system yet? Oct 26 08:18:47 mickeyl: in opie build system? no - I never used it Oct 26 08:18:54 ah Oct 26 08:18:57 should i add that? Oct 26 08:19:09 if you can then go ahead Oct 26 08:19:09 thx Oct 26 08:19:12 sure, np Oct 26 08:19:28 * mickeyl needs a short rest from PhD writing Oct 26 08:19:30 *phew Oct 26 08:19:32 * Oct 26 08:21:47 hows PhD going btw? Oct 26 08:23:39 slow. i find myself diving deeper into some issues than i've wanted to. Oct 26 08:23:59 anyway, i'm progressing. I hope to finish the 1st chapter in 2 weeks. Oct 26 08:24:23 like that is with writing such things.. Oct 26 08:24:38 right. the best thing though is, I _feel_ it's progressing. A feeling that I've missed the past 3 years Oct 26 08:25:44 mickeyl: what's your PhD about ? Oct 26 08:26:28 alan|home: Adaptive Middleware Platforms Oct 26 08:27:11 pretty easy ;) Oct 26 08:27:31 mickeyl: s/Platforms/Devices and you will get nicer TLA :) Oct 26 08:30:10 heh, the title is longer anyway. "Adaptive Middleware für spontan vernetzte Systeme" Oct 26 08:30:27 ad-hoc networks Oct 26 08:30:34 it's about using Computational Reflection as a means to build open middleware that adapts to changing application needs and environmental conditions Oct 26 08:30:43 koen: yea Oct 26 08:32:01 pretty interesting stuff :) Oct 26 08:32:11 got to go to my third job... Oct 26 08:32:16 see you Oct 26 08:32:17 me too. home :) Oct 26 08:32:17 cu Oct 26 08:32:42 jesus, i couldnt parse that Oct 26 08:41:23 buzzword overload Oct 26 08:41:39 heh Oct 26 08:47:29 cu Oct 26 09:12:32 Hmmm. I've managed to break psmisc building with uclibc but can't see how. Oct 26 09:26:05 hardwire: ping Oct 26 09:27:19 Aha. 21.5 works. 21.6 doesn't and neither does 20.2. Oct 26 09:37:11 How does modprobe decide where to find a module that it's passed? Oct 26 09:37:25 or rather whose name it's passed Oct 26 09:42:41 lardman|work: it looks in the files outputted by depmod. Oct 26 09:42:46 lardman|work: they're out in /lib/modules/whatever/ Oct 26 09:43:32 kergoth: okay, thanks, I'm just getting an error 'cos it's looking in the wrong place for files which are installed (Ratoc card) Oct 26 09:44:01 ah Oct 26 09:44:18 try running a depmod -a Oct 26 09:44:22 ok Oct 26 09:45:18 cool, that's fixed it, thanks Oct 26 09:45:23 np Oct 26 09:46:42 hardwire: i'm doing more perverse networking things when you're around ;) Oct 26 09:46:53 hardwire: need to bounce a couple ideas off of you Oct 26 09:50:05 http://www.jwz.org/images/hamster.jpg Oct 26 10:09:31 i have a question about a custom bb... Oct 26 10:09:52 if I have the source I want to build on my hard drive...what do I make the src_uri? Oct 26 10:10:00 file://path Oct 26 10:10:04 I think :) Oct 26 10:10:20 sounds good to me :) Oct 26 10:10:24 thanks Crofton Oct 26 10:10:29 np Oct 26 10:10:44 I would check but that machine is booted in widders right now :( Oct 26 10:11:02 and I just foud out the PC that will have dedicated OE hasn't been ordered Oct 26 10:12:05 needless to say I am hopping mad :) Oct 26 10:12:46 haha Oct 26 10:14:24 heh, hey Crofton. how ya been? Oct 26 10:14:30 Good Oct 26 10:14:37 how's the job? Oct 26 10:14:47 ehh not too bad. better now that i'm medicated ;) Oct 26 10:16:23 cool Oct 26 10:16:34 thinking about going elsewhere though Oct 26 10:16:38 heh Oct 26 10:16:44 nomad Oct 26 10:16:44 occasionally this is interesting, but i'm getting bored quickly Oct 26 10:16:52 heh, yep Oct 26 10:16:54 and the weather is getting cold :) Oct 26 10:16:58 that too :) Oct 26 10:17:13 there was /frost/ on the cars outside of my townhouse yesterday morning Oct 26 10:17:16 and i could see my breath for gods sake Oct 26 10:17:18 damnit! Oct 26 10:17:41 We had a really really hard frost on Monday Oct 26 10:17:55 we went from nice weather to cold and windy in three days Oct 26 10:18:02 :( Oct 26 10:18:04 That was the first time the cat had been exposed to it - he ran out side, stopped in mid air and jumped about 5 feet back to the door sill Oct 26 10:18:10 i need to either move out of here fast, or buy a winter beater Oct 26 10:18:21 im not gonna risk driving my crossfire in a minnesota winter. salt will eat it up Oct 26 10:18:23 bleh Oct 26 10:18:26 CosmicPenguin: haha Oct 26 10:22:26 * gb2 imagines hiring some big russian guy as Winter Beater Oct 26 10:22:36 hehe Oct 26 10:22:43 In Soviet Russia, Winter Beats You! Oct 26 10:23:01 of that i have no doubt :) Oct 26 10:23:05 I need to get the A/C units out of my windows Oct 26 10:23:22 they're drafty, especially with all the wind we've been having Oct 26 10:24:10 gb2: where are you lcated in russia? Oct 26 10:24:37 i'm in boston Oct 26 10:24:48 close enough Oct 26 10:25:22 another question...if I have bb files outside of the normal path...how do I add it to BBFILES? Oct 26 10:25:45 BBFILES is a shell glob. /path/to/my/other/files/*.bb or whatever Oct 26 10:25:54 space seperated list of files or globs. Oct 26 10:25:58 aka wildcards Oct 26 10:25:59 kergoth: ever done much poking at bitbake's svn fetcher? Oct 26 10:26:14 space seperated...thanks kergoth Oct 26 10:26:17 not much.. its .. fugly at best and just plain broken at worst Oct 26 10:26:17 np Oct 26 10:26:23 gb2: do you know about the russian winter from your own experience or just heard of it? Oct 26 10:26:39 kergoth: yeah, i ran into the latter part of that Oct 26 10:27:07 danil: i was mostly just making the "soviet russia" joke to kergoth's typo. Oct 26 10:27:48 it wasnt a typo, actually. probably a regional term. the beater is the car you drive in winter that you dont give a shit about, and are fine with letting get rusted up. Oct 26 10:28:00 let winter / salt beat the shit out of it, and just dont care. Oct 26 10:28:07 LoDown: yesterday night you were asking about the errors when compiling orinoco module. did you get my reply (i was DaniLoveSky that time)? Oct 26 10:28:43 gb2: i see :) Oct 26 10:29:11 ah...yes I did danil Oct 26 10:29:19 i am still getting those errors this morning... Oct 26 10:29:35 hey Oct 26 10:29:38 i do not know why those modules are being built for my machine (H3900 conf) Oct 26 10:30:51 LoDown: I have the same problem :) Oct 26 10:30:58 hm.. Oct 26 10:31:19 i guess I should open a bug on oe.handhelds.org... Oct 26 10:31:20 LoDown: is this the message you are getting: spectrum_cs.c:588: error: invalid lvalue in unary `&' ? Oct 26 10:31:28 danil, yep Oct 26 10:32:27 danil, i cannot open a bug right now...because I have to go to class... Oct 26 10:32:41 you can either open one, or I can do it when I get back from classes tonight... Oct 26 10:33:41 LoDown: I just removed & sign before handle_to_dev in lines 588 and 597 in tmp/work/orinoco-modules-0.15rc2-r9/orinoco-0.15rc2/spectrum_cs.c Oct 26 10:33:50 LoDown: and it compiles :) Oct 26 10:33:55 night all Oct 26 10:33:56 and it builds? Oct 26 10:34:16 LoDown: yes. with gcc-3.3.3 Oct 26 10:34:54 Good evening. Oct 26 10:35:04 LoDown: I am trying to do the same with a newer toolchain (gcc-3.3.4), thou people are saying that kernel 2.4 cannot be built with gcc >3.3.3 Oct 26 10:35:20 i have heard that...but I do not know... Oct 26 10:36:00 Two questions. 1. Is www.handhelds.org reachable ? 2. Does linux-hotplug compile ? I had problems with that (doing a boostrap build for boxer). Oct 26 10:37:23 uv1, i can reach www.handhelds.org right now... Oct 26 10:37:33 LoDown: IP-Address ? Oct 26 10:38:52 LoDown: Possibly my ISP's DNS is not updated. Did they change the IP-Address last weekend ? Oct 26 10:41:43 LoDown: but apparently the kennal builds even with gcc-3.3.4 :) Oct 26 10:49:41 koen: how do you change the status (koen, koen|food, koen|tv)? manually by some command or there is a set of predefined occupations? Oct 26 10:50:17 /nick Oct 26 10:51:43 danil: koen is a bot, it is programmed to do so Oct 26 10:51:52 koen: botsnack Oct 26 10:51:56 lol Oct 26 10:52:02 zecke: aw, gee Oct 26 10:58:54 <_ggilbert> bugzilla mail should work now :p Oct 26 10:59:13 rock Oct 26 10:59:27 <_ggilbert> really stupid problem Oct 26 10:59:30 <_ggilbert> :[ Oct 26 10:59:58 hi Oct 26 11:00:16 <_ggilbert> apparantly postfix doesn't send mail if it isn't running :p Oct 26 11:00:35 heh Oct 26 11:00:42 koen: I'm still wondering what hrw was talking about the 1.25GHz hardware ... Oct 26 11:00:58 koen: do you know? :) Oct 26 11:01:02 intel announced a 1.2GHz xscale a few months ago Oct 26 11:01:44 google for 'xscale monahan' Oct 26 11:02:22 koen: is it concept? or in production line already? Oct 26 11:02:39 afaik it isn't in production Oct 26 12:27:06 Ciao all Oct 26 12:27:36 ciao Pigi Oct 26 12:27:55 koen, your italian is improving every day :) Oct 26 12:30:00 hi pigi Oct 26 12:30:10 hi pb_ Oct 26 12:30:31 pb_, have you a few minutes for me ? Oct 26 12:30:38 Pigi: always Oct 26 12:31:18 thx. I was valgrinding ipkg to check for some memory leakage, and I have noticed a weird behaviour Oct 26 12:31:49 sometimes, when freeing some malloced pointer, in gdb I can see yet the pointer allocated. Oct 26 12:32:00 have you some ideas on this ? Oct 26 12:32:27 sorry, I don't understand the issue Oct 26 12:32:48 can you explain it any more? Oct 26 12:33:02 well, before exiting the ipkg, I have a ipkg_conf_deinit Oct 26 12:33:11 hey kergoth...you around? Oct 26 12:33:23 where I do some "free(conf->tmp_dir)" Oct 26 12:34:11 but, in gdb if I do a "p *conf->tmp_dir" aftert the free(), I can see that it has yet his previous value Oct 26 12:34:32 ( that's why valgrind complains about some unfreed pinter at the exit. Oct 26 12:34:38 pointer, even Oct 26 12:35:14 eg: " p *conf->tmp_dir" Oct 26 12:35:32 free() doesn't generally modify the value that the pointer points to. Are you sure that the pointer you are looking at is the same one that valgrind complains about? Oct 26 12:35:38 (i.e. do the addresses match?) Oct 26 12:36:06 no, I'm not. but the suspect is very strong. Oct 26 12:36:41 maybe I should ask valgrind to invoke gdb when it sees an error ? Oct 26 12:36:54 yes, that might help. Oct 26 12:37:20 or, if you do "p conf->tmp_dir" (without the *), can you compare that to the address that valgrind is printing? Oct 26 12:37:20 hey people Oct 26 12:37:23 whats up? Oct 26 12:38:04 ok. I will then. I thought that after freeing a pointer, gdb would ( and sometimes it does ) at least free the content of the pointer. Oct 26 12:38:21 that my fault btew Oct 26 12:38:25 btw even Oct 26 12:40:47 what's the best optinons to run valgrind ? ( I use --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes ) Oct 26 12:41:24 LoDown: am now. whats up Oct 26 12:41:34 hi kergoth ! Oct 26 12:41:38 hey Oct 26 12:46:36 kergoth, just trying to build an ipk from source that is located locally...and found your random bits... Oct 26 12:46:52 kergoth, but I am not understanding it quite... Oct 26 12:47:10 random bits, you say? Oct 26 12:47:15 say I want to build the at76c503a-modules... Oct 26 12:47:23 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/KergothsRandomBits?action=highlight&value=local+source Oct 26 12:47:25 :-D Oct 26 12:47:31 sry...that is what I'm talking about Oct 26 12:48:36 i am actually trying to create a bb file that will use the source that is on my harddrive, and build it... Oct 26 12:48:43 ahh right Oct 26 12:48:54 so all I need to do in my bb is set S and B, correct? Oct 26 12:48:57 that was intended to facilitate builds out of local sources, so you can develop in them Oct 26 12:49:20 right...that is what I am trying to do Oct 26 12:49:35 you'd set LOCAL_S_at76c503a-modules = "/path/to/your/module/sources" in local.conf Oct 26 12:50:07 and LOCAL_B_at76c503a-modules if the package uses B currently. Oct 26 12:50:08 not all do Oct 26 12:50:13 and LOCAL_B_at76c503a-modules = "/path/to/build/location" Oct 26 12:50:20 ok... Oct 26 12:50:32 autotools.bbclass, and others, can deal with B not being defined. Oct 26 12:50:42 not all buildsystems support split source & build trees Oct 26 12:51:32 oh...i think that is where I am running into problems.. Oct 26 12:51:52 if you dont define the local b, it wont set b to that Oct 26 12:52:01 so.. :) Oct 26 12:52:40 right... Oct 26 12:53:07 then my source tree will have lots of cruft from the compilation in it...that is what I was trying to solve... Oct 26 12:53:09 ah well Oct 26 12:53:27 well, you could always prepend a make clean to the configure function Oct 26 12:53:51 good idea Oct 26 12:54:23 hi kergoth Oct 26 12:54:32 hey Oct 26 12:54:52 kergoth...thank you for your help Oct 26 12:54:57 np Oct 26 12:56:06 pb_ thank you Oct 26 13:02:06 bbl Oct 26 13:17:48 * alan|home back Oct 26 13:41:18 kergoth: poke. Oct 26 13:41:46 hey Oct 26 13:42:42 so Oct 26 13:42:49 say I layer 7 match an http request. Oct 26 13:43:04 if I match it.. can't I send a TCP Retry? Oct 26 13:43:11 and then have it route correctly after that? Oct 26 13:43:18 hmm.. good point.. Oct 26 13:43:23 i need to brush up on my tcp negotation Oct 26 13:43:27 howdy Oct 26 13:43:28 hi Oct 26 13:43:31 how you doing? Oct 26 13:43:31 shoudl buy that one tcp/ip book by stevens for reference Oct 26 13:43:33 fine. Oct 26 13:43:37 you got something for me? Oct 26 13:43:38 MAYBE! Oct 26 13:43:41 getting dizzy spells all day today, came home early Oct 26 13:43:42 :\ Oct 26 13:43:47 yeh Oct 26 13:43:50 I walked the dog for 1.5 hours Oct 26 13:43:53 over ice Oct 26 13:43:56 he wanted to run Oct 26 13:44:00 :( Oct 26 13:44:03 hehe Oct 26 13:44:04 i get to do a virtual bridge at work now Oct 26 13:44:08 fun games with arp Oct 26 13:44:22 proxyarp? Oct 26 13:44:26 parprouted stufF? Oct 26 13:44:28 or something cooler Oct 26 13:44:33 yeah, partrouted is what we're gonna end up using Oct 26 13:44:36 er, parprouted Oct 26 13:44:46 is it worth a shit anymore? Oct 26 13:44:56 btw.. ever used bridgex ? Oct 26 13:44:58 its amazing Oct 26 13:45:08 we've got to be able to sit our product between a firewall or local machines and the router without intruding, or consuming more than one ip Oct 26 13:45:18 linux's bridging takes too long to learn the network and shit Oct 26 13:45:18 whats amazing is they totally stopped developing it Oct 26 13:45:28 well.. this is a userspace bridge Oct 26 13:45:29 so figured i'd just play arp games to hijack the packets Oct 26 13:45:30 MINE Oct 26 13:45:32 heh Oct 26 13:45:39 bridgex, never seen that Oct 26 13:45:44 sorry Oct 26 13:45:45 bridged Oct 26 13:45:50 http://freshmeat.net/projects/bridged/ Oct 26 13:45:57 * kergoth looks Oct 26 13:45:57 it works amazingly well Oct 26 13:46:12 it use tun/tap or something? Oct 26 13:46:19 How does it work with no spanning tree? Oct 26 13:46:34 CosmicPenguin: you don't need spt for bridging Oct 26 13:46:41 its just nice to have to negotiate the bridge paths Oct 26 13:47:05 well yeah - if you're going to play with other bridges, eventually its going to be needed Oct 26 13:47:16 not really Oct 26 13:47:18 spanning tree you say.. /me watches this fly over his head Oct 26 13:47:25 if you are going to hide a small network behind it.. you should be fine Oct 26 13:47:36 But then you depend on the intellegence of the guy setting up the network... :) Oct 26 13:47:53 which is my IQ Oct 26 13:48:00 and its quite fine thank you very much :) Oct 26 13:48:23 If there's one thing I've learned - I can always work my code, its the other guy you have to watch out for... :) Oct 26 13:48:26 kergoth: I am still puzzmuffled with the same problem Oct 26 13:48:32 not really a proxy issue Oct 26 13:48:35 but its the same problem Oct 26 13:48:43 your l7 issue? Oct 26 13:48:45 I can't forward to a proxy.. cause the tcp thinks its all cool now Oct 26 13:48:48 yeh Oct 26 13:48:55 but.. I can't move it from one route to another either. Oct 26 13:49:03 same issue Oct 26 13:49:04 hmm Oct 26 13:49:09 * kergoth cranks up some disturbed Oct 26 13:49:14 dis who? Oct 26 13:49:24 music. Oct 26 13:49:32 ooh, disturbed Oct 26 13:49:44 kergoth: I haven't raped you in a looooong time Oct 26 13:49:50 do i still have an account? Oct 26 13:49:51 heh Oct 26 13:49:59 disturbed are the guys who did down with the sickness.. stupify.. Oct 26 13:50:02 heh, dunno Oct 26 13:50:03 ill check Oct 26 13:50:17 i'm listening to their new cd Oct 26 13:50:20 pretty damn good imho Oct 26 13:50:34 Oh yeah - kergoth has all the good shit Oct 26 13:50:49 * CosmicPenguin should do a dump too - but at home, where big brother isn't watching Oct 26 13:51:10 i lost like 150 of my latest cds from ubernet :(( Oct 26 13:51:16 missed some stuff when i was reorganizing Oct 26 13:51:18 anybody have "The tower that ate people" remix? Oct 26 13:53:40 * hardwire is tracing a dragon logo for his g/f's kung fu studio Oct 26 13:55:47 * france is away: Away Oct 26 13:57:55 * france is back (gone 00:02:08) Oct 26 13:58:12 illustrator really sucks at just making a path Oct 26 14:35:59 later all Oct 26 14:49:21 sup all Oct 26 14:49:43 anyone know what the 4 branches mean in openembedded? dev, dreambox, nslu2-linux and oz354fam083? Oct 26 14:49:58 oz354 is for the zaurus, correct? what are the other 3 for? Oct 26 14:50:55 dev is the standard, dreambox is for the settopbox dreambox from dream multimedia, nslu2-linux is for the nas device nslu2 and oz..fam is for openzaurus with familar I guess Oct 26 14:52:04 woglinde, thanks, so for all pocket pcs i use dev? Oct 26 14:52:30 samule right for the handhelds dev is enough Oct 26 14:52:41 oz354fam083 is the release branch. Oct 26 14:52:43 when in doubt, always use dev Oct 26 14:52:53 Normal OZ/Familiar work is done in the dev branch. Oct 26 14:53:10 noodles ah okay Oct 26 14:53:20 i see... thanks... Oct 26 14:53:49 anyone here done this to a toshiba e800 pocket pc? Oct 26 15:00:17 samuel, if its not in the machine directory, then no Oct 26 15:01:29 emte, what is the machine directory? Oct 26 15:01:42 you have a link please? Oct 26 15:02:07 have you installed monotone and aquired the db? Oct 26 15:02:09 i downloaded an image from a website, that said it was built with openembedded for the e800 Oct 26 15:02:19 emte, yes Oct 26 15:02:53 org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/ Oct 26 15:05:01 I suspect the e800 can use the h3900 machine, but you'd have to ask spyro for the details Oct 26 15:05:47 koen, i see - thanks... ive been reading his website, but i cant seem to find what to do there Oct 26 15:29:11 I should be working on other things Oct 26 15:29:28 not trying to find the best way to dominate my network Oct 26 15:30:30 yah, much better to dominate other peoples' networks. Oct 26 15:31:07 indeeed Oct 26 16:20:11 mickeyl: are you around? Oct 26 16:23:58 <[g2]> tanq I was wondering the same thing :) Oct 26 16:24:36 <[g2]> tanq I was wondering what ever happened with his offer this past summer to the pxa27x pda/phone hackers Oct 26 16:24:42 <[g2]> for using OE Oct 26 16:25:31 <[g2]> http://ganesha.gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/linux/a780/ Oct 26 16:25:45 <[g2]> looks interesting but they could really use an OE setup Oct 26 16:36:07 kergoth: ok Oct 26 16:36:13 now I need your guidie wuidieness Oct 26 16:49:10 Does anyone know why linphone does not compile? It gives the following error: misc.c:163: error: `EFAULT' undeclared (first use in this function). I tried to include errno.h where EFAULT is defined (amoung others), but with no luck. Also tried #include and - the same error. Oct 26 17:00:33 * hardwire hacks the debian ledcontrol package to modify the WRAP sbc led's Oct 26 17:03:08 [g2] what offer? Oct 26 17:03:15 i think i'm behind on the latest Oct 26 17:04:40 kergoth: can i pm you about an oz question? Oct 26 17:12:03 heh Oct 26 17:12:07 i havent touched oe in 6 months or more Oct 26 17:12:15 and mickeyl is the current oz maintainer, havent touched oz in longer Oct 26 17:31:20 heh Oct 26 17:31:49 i've been using oe for a thingy at work, mostly because it's the only thing i know of where the autotools cross stuff is sane. Oct 26 17:34:55 <[g2]> tanq there was something on one of the forums Oct 26 17:35:26 * [g2] hugs kergoth Oct 26 17:35:39 <[g2]> nice to see you around Oct 26 17:37:30 gb2 != [g2] Oct 26 17:38:05 ? Oct 26 17:47:09 <[g2]> mithro gb2 != [g2] Oct 26 17:48:08 okay Oct 26 17:48:25 <[g2]> I've got no clue who gb2 is Oct 26 17:48:35 so which one is the one developing the arm board? Oct 26 17:48:39 <[g2]> me Oct 26 17:49:03 <[g2]> it's just pretty much all done Oct 26 17:49:44 <[g2]> from Redboot today I was loading -m disk hda1:/boot/zImage and booting to Debian BE rootfs on the microdrive hda1 Oct 26 17:50:14 cool Oct 26 17:50:28 so you know about PCB protyping etc Oct 26 17:50:59 <[g2]> I've worked at companies that have built custom hw Oct 26 17:51:07 <[g2]> not chips but boards Oct 26 17:51:28 <[g2]> I'm familiar with gerbers and the process Oct 26 17:51:42 you ever done anything with DECT? Oct 26 17:52:16 <[g2]> the cordless phone spectrum ? Oct 26 17:53:03 DECT is the cordless phone standard Oct 26 17:53:21 <[g2]> no, but the new Linksys device using DECT looks cool Oct 26 17:53:27 url? Oct 26 17:53:32 <[g2]> that _really_ needs a linux hack Oct 26 17:54:08 <[g2]> http://www.deviceforge.com/news/NS4571213183.html Oct 26 17:55:17 * [g2] wonders if there are any minipci cable modem interfaces Oct 26 17:56:56 i'm just after some mentoring in designing PCBs and prototyping hardware Oct 26 17:57:30 <[g2]> what kind of hw ? Oct 26 17:57:34 <[g2]> or is it a secret Oct 26 17:57:42 well it's open source hardware Oct 26 17:57:55 so... two projects i'm thinking of are Oct 26 17:58:04 1. 8 line USB FXS device Oct 26 17:58:48 2. Budget DECT->VOIP device Oct 26 17:59:13 <[g2]> I think linksys has 2 now :( Oct 26 18:00:16 i've done quite a lot of work on the first 1 Oct 26 18:00:32 <[g2]> If they supported Linux their CIT200 would go great with my Loft device Oct 26 18:00:32 but it seems like the project is become a bit complicated for a first time hardware project Oct 26 18:01:10 <[g2]> wanna chat about it in #openjtag Oct 26 18:01:17 <[g2]> we've got ppl doing boads there Oct 26 18:01:20 <[g2]> boards Oct 26 18:01:36 <[g2]> mostly JTAG boards, but boards none the less Oct 26 19:07:23 does spyro ever come online in this channel? Oct 26 19:42:18 ok, im not clear on one thing... am i supposed to move the machine file of my machine and replace it into local.conf? Oct 26 19:42:59 is there any config that has support for EVERYTHING? i have a miniature HD in the CF slot so space is not too much of a concern Oct 26 20:11:45 anybody have input device wizdom? Oct 26 20:11:51 trying to make a null keyboard driver Oct 26 20:12:05 that doesn't exist on a bus.. but intercepts all input keyboard write commands Oct 26 20:12:13 specifically write to LED Oct 26 20:35:45 ek.. emailed the lead input developer.. Oct 26 20:35:55 * hardwire wonders if he is around a keyboard Oct 26 20:35:56 mwa ha ha Oct 26 20:36:05 the man must live on a keyboard. Oct 26 20:40:16 http://lists.linux.it/pipermail/jornada820/2004-June/000467.html Oct 26 20:40:16 well Oct 26 20:40:18 that should do it Oct 26 21:11:32 nm Oct 26 21:11:33 figured it out Oct 26 21:17:57 hardware: for a moment I thought you were talking about some input developer who played in a band on the side. Oct 26 21:18:15 hardwire: someone who plays keyboard Oct 26 21:18:22 i really need sleep Oct 26 21:18:29 heh Oct 27 00:15:12 Hi all, Oct 27 00:15:53 I have a question about OpenEmbedded. How can I assign the gcc(e,g gcc-3.4,gcc-4.0) being used for specific package only? Oct 27 00:49:51 morning Oct 27 00:54:05 morning all Oct 27 00:54:15 hey RP Oct 27 00:54:23 morning RP Oct 27 00:56:49 hihi Oct 27 01:23:04 morning Oct 27 01:33:46 morning hrw|work Oct 27 01:48:10 heya Oct 27 02:08:14 hi guys Oct 27 02:09:23 hi Bernardo Oct 27 02:09:40 hey Bernardo Oct 27 02:10:47 RP: just got finished installing a machine with mdk 2006, 32 bits. hopefully will let me build for the akita without the libtool problems I have on my x86_64 Oct 27 02:11:07 then I'll be able to test images for you, if you want... Oct 27 02:11:26 Bernardo: I have an akita on loan in front of me now and am trying to resolve the mtd/jffs2 issues! Oct 27 02:11:48 RP: cool! Oct 27 02:11:59 thanks a lot for all your work! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 27 02:59:56 2005