**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 02 02:59:57 2005 Nov 02 03:00:10 http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/10/22/32 Nov 02 03:00:53 ARGH!!!!!! Nov 02 03:00:59 I hate my desktop machine Nov 02 03:02:34 http://pastebin.ca/27391 Nov 02 03:03:04 and again I'm unable to remote reboot.. FSCK Nov 02 03:03:42 ~stab reiserfs Nov 02 03:03:45 * ibot_ runs at reiserfs with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Nov 02 03:04:09 * XorA never had any joy with reiser Nov 02 03:04:16 koen: show me other good journaling FS Nov 02 03:04:28 xfs Nov 02 03:04:38 hrw|work: you claiming reiser is good? Nov 02 03:04:49 hrw|work: in me experience is causing self harm Nov 02 03:04:57 XorA: I use it since it appeared in 2.4 kernel and never had problems since last month Nov 02 03:05:26 koen: friend has too many problems with xfs Nov 02 03:05:31 * RP has spitz booting :) Nov 02 03:05:37 not to mention 'on disk format changed again' Nov 02 03:05:46 people want revert-r1 ;-) Nov 02 03:06:43 revert-r1? Nov 02 03:07:01 version -r1 of the revert_bootmem patch Nov 02 03:07:15 XorA: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/revert_bootmem-r1.patch Nov 02 03:09:11 morning folks Nov 02 03:09:12 thats all kernel speak to me :-) Nov 02 03:09:57 reminds me of futurama Nov 02 03:21:25 hi aquadran Nov 02 03:31:24 hmm.. minimal debian is 92M Nov 02 03:31:30 scary.. Nov 02 03:32:09 Is anyone getting this error: http://pastebin.com/414597 Nov 02 03:32:30 it's probably a typo in xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb Nov 02 03:32:51 I didn't touch it, so I guess the problem is in the dev branch Nov 02 03:35:07 ok, fixed that Nov 02 03:35:29 RP: My 2.6 is booting, but freezes in the gpe splash Nov 02 03:35:38 I forgot to add a \ in the src_uri Nov 02 03:35:42 is it gpe related or 2.6 related? Nov 02 03:36:23 koen: thx, I didn't know if reporting the bug was better idea, but I guess this is faster Nov 02 03:36:56 katossi: "freezes" on 1st boot or on each boot? Nov 02 03:37:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4dae1dfe... 10/: xserver-kdrive 20050207: add missing \ Nov 02 03:37:59 hrw|work: forget about that, I'm stupid, was the first boot :( Nov 02 03:39:13 RP: what are the biggest drawbacks right now with 2.6? Nov 02 03:43:00 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r8b0e79f5... 10/: enigma: delete old version Nov 02 03:43:04 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r8773363e... 10/: dvbtraffic: add package Nov 02 03:43:08 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r461f1c6e... 10/: sctzap: add szap/czap/tzap and femon dvb tools Nov 02 03:43:12 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r28c1238a... 10/: enigma: add version cvs-20051027 Nov 02 03:43:16 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r4aebfb0f... 10/: enigma: remove versions 20050912, 20051027, add version 20051101 plus reqiured patches Nov 02 03:44:24 hi. Nov 02 03:45:03 hi magnet Nov 02 03:45:15 magnet: compiled xanadux kernel already? Nov 02 03:47:02 hardly successfully Nov 02 03:47:18 there are troubles in code for pxa27 . Nov 02 03:52:12 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r3da10137... 10/: gpe-bootsplash: add new logo for familiar, courtesy Rene Wagner Nov 02 03:52:17 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r5bc7debd... 10/: gpe-conf: add 0.1.26 and make gpe 2.7 use that Nov 02 03:52:21 hrw|work: I'm now tried to use handhelds-pxa as kernel. Nov 02 03:52:31 s/tried/trying/g Nov 02 03:52:46 * magnet go take some cofee orso, time to wake up Nov 02 04:23:39 morning all Nov 02 04:24:53 hey ade|desk Nov 02 04:27:17 debian gnu/solaris Nov 02 04:27:26 do we have OE support for that? Nov 02 04:27:27 ;) Nov 02 04:47:30 hi lardman Nov 02 04:51:10 hi hrw|work Nov 02 04:59:06 I take it the new oz 2.6.14-git kernel won't appear to bitbake to be later than the -rc4 one? Nov 02 04:59:22 lardman: exactly Nov 02 04:59:23 correct Nov 02 05:00:19 hmm, rm -f deploy/ipk/*kernel* and also hostap & orinoco? Nov 02 05:02:07 lardman: and vi /usr/lib/ipkg/status :%s/2.6.14-rc4/2.6.13/ :wq and then ipkg upgrade Nov 02 05:03:51 hrw|work: Ah, I was just going to build a new image actually, but thanks Nov 02 05:06:41 hmm, I'm trying to hack together an ipk for R, where under build/tmp would I find a control file (I wan't to see the current format) - and I know there are some in the ipks, but I was hoping for a plain file Nov 02 05:08:14 what for you need that file? Nov 02 05:10:37 I need one to place in the R ipk Nov 02 05:11:24 you are talking about ipk control file? iirc OE generate own one.. Nov 02 05:11:54 yes, I was just hoping it would have left them lying around somewhere, but I can't seem to find one - I'll just extract a current ipk Nov 02 05:15:19 looks like I can start looking at some GIS packages soon :) Nov 02 05:20:04 * hrw|work have a bad day Nov 02 05:23:36 What's up hrw|work? Nov 02 05:24:49 lardman: home machine died again, work machine is sluggish (dont know why) etc Nov 02 05:24:59 a..and my Z does not boot Nov 02 05:25:11 hrw|work: my work machine is always sluggish - comes from running Windows XP Nov 02 05:25:45 hrw|work: hmm, non-booting Z isn't good though Nov 02 05:26:09 lardman: mine is not til today.. I had to use Alt-F9 too often (it's xkill) Nov 02 05:27:54 btw. is there any way to choose IO scheduler on working system? Nov 02 05:29:55 yes Nov 02 05:30:08 /sys is your friend Nov 02 05:31:54 thx Nov 02 05:41:45 opie-devel ML has nice thread about opie on n770 Nov 02 05:41:57 to port or not to port... Nov 02 05:42:31 heh Nov 02 05:42:44 MACHINE=nokia770, bitbake opie-image Nov 02 05:44:36 * hrw|work wants opie/x11 Nov 02 05:46:02 is vanille.de down again? Nov 02 05:46:25 looked that way when I tried an hour ago Nov 02 05:46:56 koen: is anyone working on adding more gstreamer plugins for the 770? Nov 02 05:47:36 lardman: compile gst-plugins in scratchbox and copy them over Nov 02 05:47:48 * koen restarts monotone for the 3rd time today on vanille Nov 02 05:47:58 koen: I don't have a machine, I was just wondering Nov 02 05:48:19 koen: there still instability problem in server :-(I Nov 02 05:48:29 hey XorA Nov 02 05:48:47 hey lardman Nov 02 05:49:13 XorA: I run monotone like this: 'while true ; do monotone serve ; done' Nov 02 05:49:21 mickeyl does something different Nov 02 05:49:37 that's why ewi is almost always reachable for monotone Nov 02 05:58:35 hrm, i have not recieved one paper for the OE miniconf yet Nov 02 06:04:48 mithro: where will it be? Nov 02 06:07:10 New Zealand Nov 02 06:17:46 someone built gcc-cross-initial 3.4.4 for x86/uclibc? Nov 02 06:26:04 hrw|work: sashz is in irc to talk to me to find ways of stealing the 2.6 kernel tree pdaxrom :) Nov 02 06:26:21 RP: I noticed him on #openzaurus Nov 02 06:34:39 So how helpful should I be to the pdaxrom people?... Nov 02 06:34:55 I see no reason not to be helpful Nov 02 06:35:17 Negative comments about OE are not helping his case though :-/ Nov 02 06:35:21 If they move over to using OE (which would make their life easier to build 2.6.x) that would be good Nov 02 06:35:38 He's making them? Where? Nov 02 06:35:48 privately Nov 02 06:36:03 hmm, not ideal - what's the gist? Nov 02 06:36:14 I'll simply say they won't switch to OE Nov 02 06:36:38 How do pdaxrom build stuff? Nov 02 06:36:42 Nothing changes then, each to their own I suppose Nov 02 06:36:44 ptxdist Nov 02 06:36:48 Using a buildroot style affair Nov 02 06:37:38 RP: is he trying to turn you? ;) Nov 02 06:39:04 lardman|work: oh yes :) Nov 02 06:44:01 Speaking of pdaXrom, koen, do you still have their patches somewhere? Nov 02 06:44:18 pdaxrom-builder, etc. Nov 02 06:46:11 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/pdaXrom-builder/ Nov 02 06:46:16 cheers mate Nov 02 06:46:26 * XorA wonders if you brainwash via irc Nov 02 06:46:43 * RP is staying firmly in the OE camp ;-) Nov 02 06:47:17 Spitz/Akita/Borzoi are all the same in terms of screen, aren't they? (I'm producing a trivial patch so gpe-bootsplash looks correct on Spitz and doing Akita/Borzoi at the same time if they're the same). Nov 02 06:47:21 * lardman|work chuckles to himself Nov 02 06:47:53 Noodles: correct Nov 02 06:48:02 Ta. Nov 02 06:48:21 Is our libaticore the same as the pdaX lot's? Nov 02 06:48:50 I doubt it. Ours is 2.6 kernel compatible Nov 02 06:49:13 Okay; I'm just looking at the patch for the Xserver Nov 02 06:49:39 lardman|work: We should be compatible with their atilib Nov 02 06:50:02 Theirs will just break when the upgrade to 2.6 Nov 02 06:50:58 I wonder if they borrowed ours then as this appears on the linker command line: -laticore Nov 02 06:54:13 lardman|work: we took their and fixed for 2.6 Nov 02 06:54:24 hrw|work: okay Nov 02 06:54:30 hi Nov 02 06:54:52 iirc aticore was created by them from binary qt/e from sharp Nov 02 06:57:44 hmm, I just noticed that bitbake-1.1 was built as part of a bitbake gpe-image - what's that all about>? Nov 02 06:58:38 you do "bitbake bitbake gpe-image" probably Nov 02 06:58:57 yep, just saw that. Does bitbake take multiple targets? Nov 02 06:59:02 yes Nov 02 06:59:04 <_orangey> hmmm. Nov 02 06:59:09 cool, no need to kill it then Nov 02 06:59:13 <_orangey> hrw: I still haven't been able to get far enough to compile kdepimpi-x11 Nov 02 06:59:20 <_orangey> right now, the error is "Nothing provides qt3-x11" Nov 02 07:00:30 _orangey: vi qt3x11.bbclass and remove DEPENDS line Nov 02 07:04:28 I see xserver-kdrive-ati is part of the kdrive build; is this patched to use aticore? and is it used (installed) as I don't remember having seen it Nov 02 07:04:52 lardman|work: its rather for some ATI cards - look at source Nov 02 07:05:03 lardman|work: we also buil xserver-kdrive-epson Nov 02 07:05:09 iirc Nov 02 07:05:15 hrw|work: yes, I saw those other ones, oh well Nov 02 07:06:14 hrm: Why not check that change in? Nov 02 07:07:04 orangey: because its workaround Nov 02 07:07:04 oh, another question.. I get "DISTRO = "familiar" " even though I set it to familiar-0.8.3 in local.conf. Nov 02 07:07:08 hrw|work: I see : ) Nov 02 07:07:11 RP: what was the conclusion then as I see sashz just left? Nov 02 07:07:40 orangey: and if you have it there then you also have very old repository Nov 02 07:07:50 hrw: I did the update yesterday. Nov 02 07:08:10 but this is the oz354fam* tree Nov 02 07:08:14 ah Nov 02 07:08:24 which as I understand is the one I should be working out of.. Nov 02 07:08:26 I dont have it here so cannot check Nov 02 07:08:28 orangey: The fact it says familiar rather than familar-0.8.3 is normal Nov 02 07:08:50 when I tried to compilein the dev tree with distro = fam 0.8.3., it told me bad things would happen to my children. Nov 02 07:09:29 bbl Nov 02 07:09:37 thanks lardman|shopping Nov 02 07:14:50 03noodles 07org.oe.dev * rfc47bf90... 10/: Nov 02 07:14:51 gpe-bootsplash: Correct rotation for Cxx0 Zaurus models and bump revision Nov 02 07:14:51 of 1.14 Nov 02 07:40:54 Bero is my new hero Nov 02 07:47:08 lardman|shopping: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2005-October/001602.html Nov 02 08:00:42 lardman|shopping: sashz is still around, just not in #openzaurus anymore Nov 02 08:05:17 wow... OE psmisc patch is 619K Nov 02 08:07:38 stripped? Nov 02 08:09:15 no.. psmisc 20.2 has 619K patch in OE repo Nov 02 08:09:33 quite big Nov 02 08:11:32 I saw new ver on FM so wanted to look into OE. size of patch makes me just ignore new version Nov 02 08:11:47 what does the patch do? Nov 02 08:12:33 looks like add/update gettext stuff Nov 02 08:16:58 hi zecke Nov 02 08:17:05 ~hail zecke Nov 02 08:17:07 * ibot_ bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Nov 02 08:17:31 hey Nov 02 08:17:38 ljp: funny ;) Nov 02 08:21:01 heys guys, im trying to update what ive got check out. but when i try and pull from wi546.ewi.utwente.nl it just hangs on connecting, any ideas? Nov 02 08:22:15 it's probably busy server another client Nov 02 08:22:37 okay, so should i just try again later? Nov 02 08:22:46 just wait Nov 02 08:22:58 or try one of the other servers Nov 02 08:23:20 zecke: maybe you know good id3 tagger for kde? Nov 02 08:23:46 hrw|work: juk? the media player itself? Nov 02 08:25:50 hmm.. thats the option too Nov 02 08:26:15 I will probably look more into amarok tagger Nov 02 08:28:23 Looks like pdaxrom is getting a 2.6 option... Nov 02 08:28:25 now I have to generate screenshot for ljp Nov 02 08:28:44 RP: which kernel version? Nov 02 08:29:23 koen: stable and dev versions Nov 02 08:29:39 RC and RCRC versions? ;) Nov 02 08:29:49 yes :) Nov 02 08:29:58 They're under the illuision it will just work with their image of course Nov 02 08:30:12 and have totally ignored me when I tell them it wont... Nov 02 08:30:28 their entire faq consists of 'drop to shell and do...' Nov 02 08:30:35 so I bet they call it 'polish' Nov 02 08:31:03 Their users are going to help me improve the kernel Nov 02 08:31:28 since the users are forbidden to help with the dev Nov 02 08:31:35 hi all Nov 02 08:31:38 hey florian_kc Nov 02 08:32:27 XorA: ping Nov 02 08:32:32 'Last time I checked, both ipaq and zaurus and whatnot were just exactly that, Nov 02 08:32:33 a PDA. ' Nov 02 08:32:41 it says 'personal mobile tool' on my z Nov 02 08:32:41 ljp is funny sometimes Nov 02 08:32:48 on mine too Nov 02 08:33:08 Noodles: Could you send me a patch for that gpe-bootsplash fix you added to oe so i can apply this to the upstream code? Nov 02 08:33:36 Sure. Preferred address? Nov 02 08:33:37 florian_kc: Surely the patch is in OE? Nov 02 08:33:49 Or pick it up directly, yes. Nov 02 08:34:11 I'm not sure it's valid for 2.4 (whether it needs --flip there or not), but it's certainly not right for 2.4 the way it is and it's definitely right for 2.6. Nov 02 08:34:35 Lets go with 2.6. 2.4 is dead before it starts ;-) Nov 02 08:34:39 :) Nov 02 08:34:57 Noodles: are the X startup scripts still correct? Nov 02 08:35:01 RP, Noodles: Do the affected machines default to 2.6 now? Nov 02 08:35:24 florian_kc: near enough. They will within weeks Nov 02 08:35:47 koen: Hmmm? In what way? Nov 02 08:35:50 the real question is: will mickeyl default them to 2.6 in the build Nov 02 08:35:57 Noodles: X has a rotation param too Nov 02 08:36:03 X starts up fine for me and I haven't got any extra patches. Nov 02 08:36:07 koen: X rotation apears fine Nov 02 08:36:13 ah, cool Nov 02 08:36:24 I think the only patch I have at present is making the kernel -git3 and not -rc1. Nov 02 08:36:39 koen: I have a feeling that faster_rotation patch breaks over suspend/resume. Need to confirm though Nov 02 08:36:55 Oh, and I have an fstab patch for spitz to not mount /var as a ramfs and to mount /dev/hda2 instead of /dev/hda1 (which is already /) to /media/hdd Nov 02 08:37:39 Everything else appears lovely with 2.6. I'm just fiddling with getting my Spitz doing ppp over bluetooth to my phone. Nov 02 08:37:48 Noodles: I'd like to commit a patch which adds /dev/hdc1 as the CF slot on spitz but it will break 2.4. Do you think its time to go for it? :) Nov 02 08:38:02 hrw|work: I think thumb-interwork would be a nice option for collie Nov 02 08:38:18 3.5.4 is released, isn't it? With 2.4 by default? Nov 02 08:38:36 afaik 3.5.4 still isn't released Nov 02 08:38:38 koen: ? Nov 02 08:38:39 only an RC Nov 02 08:38:49 Is someone working on the i18ln issue? Nov 02 08:38:51 www.openzaurus.org isn't very happy in terms of finding out. Nov 02 08:38:52 But the branch has the 2.4 files so we can break things, right? :) Nov 02 08:39:05 Then its up to mickeyl whether to upgrade or not Nov 02 08:39:09 hrw|work: thumb instructions, 30% smaller binaries, see conf/machine/nslu2.conf Nov 02 08:39:24 it's called .dev for a reason :) Nov 02 08:39:45 Yeah. Push for 2.6 in .dev. Presumably the next OZ release after 3.5.4 will have 2.6 for Spitz & co. Nov 02 08:40:06 If it's a real problem we can roll back. That's part of the point of using a SCM/RCS. Nov 02 08:40:17 koen: ah.. Nov 02 08:40:23 Agreed. I'll patch the fstab file shortly Nov 02 08:40:55 RP: so uDrive is hda but CF slot is hdc (not hdb)? Nov 02 08:40:59 * koen puts on 'break stuff' Nov 02 08:41:34 Do you want to remove the /var and change the /media/hdd line while you're in there? Nov 02 08:43:24 Noodles: yes, will do Nov 02 08:44:09 hrw|work: On 2.6, hda is microdribe, cf is hdc. 2.4 can be the other way around but it depends on whether you boot with a CF card or not :-/ Nov 02 08:44:22 Acutally, this doesn't break 2.4 Nov 02 08:44:41 2.4 breaks if you boot with a CF regardless of what we do with fstab Nov 02 08:45:25 RP: strange.. I suspected that cf will be hdb (as second storage device) Nov 02 08:45:54 hrw|work: both are ide masters Nov 02 08:46:23 hdb would be a slave on the first ide contoller which doesn't exist in this case Nov 02 08:47:47 ok Nov 02 08:50:33 koen: I just read that post - it would be interesting to use the dsp, and in any case I'd like vfp so I don't have to patch R & Octave too much Nov 02 08:50:56 vfp isn't ieee compliant Nov 02 08:51:03 dsp on what? Nov 02 08:51:04 really? Nov 02 08:51:14 that's being said in one the mails Nov 02 08:51:17 dsp on a Nokia 770 Nov 02 08:51:21 ah cool Nov 02 08:51:22 Gah. I've just spent a while trying to get my GPRS connection working and failing and went to trying it with my laptop (which has worked ok in the past) to see where it differs and discover that GPRS is broken, not my OE BT config. Nov 02 08:51:23 omap 1710 Nov 02 08:51:34 yeah Nov 02 08:51:43 I need to do same on OSK real sson Nov 02 08:51:55 ls Nov 02 08:52:03 . Nov 02 08:52:04 .. Nov 02 08:52:05 wrong terminal Nov 02 08:52:33 hrw|work: pong Nov 02 08:52:45 XorA: x/qt under 2.6 behaves ok? Nov 02 08:52:47 koen: where does it say that - I'm surprised Nov 02 08:54:16 hrw|work: the xserver for Qte? Nov 02 08:54:35 XorA: yes - I remember that you were fighting with it Nov 02 08:55:33 ARGH... Nov 02 08:55:36 ~kill sf.net Nov 02 08:55:38 * ibot_ shoots a inverse pseudomeson gun at sf.net Nov 02 08:55:40 hrw|work: ok, the rotation stuff is all wrong but simple patch to fix Nov 02 08:55:56 XorA: other then that it is working? Nov 02 08:56:12 hrw|work: but keyboard stuff uses unicode, OZ compiles QTe without unicode support so when you hit key on virtual keyboard is segfaults Nov 02 08:56:20 koen: I think the statement means that the hardware part of vfp isn't compilant and requires some software components too. Nov 02 08:56:27 XorA: FUD?! Nov 02 08:56:32 hrw|work: also keymap is slightly out, needs a couple of extra definitions, line return key Nov 02 08:56:36 ok Nov 02 08:56:42 zecke: is not FUD Nov 02 08:56:46 koen: However I see no reason why the software only implementation isn't going to be compilant Nov 02 08:57:49 lardman|work: ok Nov 02 08:58:01 XorA: first OZ compiles a shit Nov 02 08:58:09 XorA: second Unicode is always there Nov 02 08:58:28 XorA: Virtual Keyboard an Application... how does that relate to unicode Nov 02 08:58:34 for me this classifies as FUD Nov 02 08:59:13 zecke: well learn to read C++ and get back to me Nov 02 09:00:19 XorA: how does that relate to OZ compiling anything? Nov 02 09:00:30 XorA: I thought Qt is not C++ as they use something called moc? Nov 02 09:00:38 zecke: as long as hrw|work knows what I mean that is fine Nov 02 09:02:01 XorA: sure it is fine Nov 02 09:02:03 hrw|work: does sa1100 support thumb? Nov 02 09:02:28 zecke: sorry, but Im trying to get 3 machines to tradeshow, Im a bit stressed Nov 02 09:02:45 koen: I don't think so Nov 02 09:02:49 koen: dont know Nov 02 09:02:52 XorA: nevermind Nov 02 09:03:01 sigh - why is spi support in linux so crappy Nov 02 09:03:15 hrw|work: ok, ignore my comment on thumb-interwork Nov 02 09:03:23 -Os would be nice for collie Nov 02 09:04:01 ok Nov 02 09:04:05 ~lart wordpress Nov 02 09:04:05 * ibot_ hits wordpress with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha Nov 02 09:04:52 is packages/nonworking/*/*.bb parsed? Nov 02 09:05:34 http://www.openzaurus.org/wordpress/ now looks better Nov 02 09:05:44 lardman|work: not with default BBFILES Nov 02 09:06:07 lardman|work: BBFILES = "oe/packages/*/*.bb oe/packages/nonworking/*/*.bb" if you want them Nov 02 09:06:25 hrw|work: too many connections ;) Nov 02 09:06:51 zecke: its better then "fatal error: no function get_bloginfo()" Nov 02 09:08:06 hrw|work: is there any way of specifying the full path to a given .bb and making it look at the deps too (so like bitbake -b but with deps)? Nov 02 09:10:15 lardman|work: no Nov 02 09:11:04 hrw|work: shame, okay thanks Nov 02 09:11:39 time to use sf.net support request Nov 02 09:12:18 note to self: select least popular letter when creating project on sf.net Nov 02 09:13:50 mysql4-o is overloaded so no openumbaumba will happen Nov 02 09:14:25 Ah, I got that trying to look at http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net too Nov 02 09:15:23 pdaxrom are now complaining about the lack of an akita oss driver :-/ Nov 02 09:15:43 lardman|work: with Ångström we'll have eabi, so we can use (soft)vfp and iwmmx Nov 02 09:15:55 * RP 's patience is being tried :-/ Nov 02 09:16:11 RP: 'write one' Nov 02 09:16:23 that would be the appropriate response Nov 02 09:16:33 koen: already suggested Nov 02 09:16:34 RP: say them: 'patches welcome' Nov 02 09:16:46 my default answer if someone complain Nov 02 09:16:47 hrw|work: They're not. We don't want an OSS driver Nov 02 09:16:47 or 'oss will be removed from 2.6, use alsa' Nov 02 09:16:54 koen: good, I look forward to that, I may have to update my irc client though to read that... ;) Nov 02 09:19:35 looks like oz.org will be static soon.. I can try to dump database and generate static content on my machine. Nov 02 09:20:08 oz.org will be obsolete soon Nov 02 09:20:20 I know Nov 02 09:20:43 maybe both those 'soon's can be the same lenght Nov 02 09:23:01 hmm, gpe-image w/ 2.6.14-git3 for c7x0; task-bootstrap is moaning about unsatisifed deps of hostap-modules-cs hostap-modules Nov 02 09:23:40 these two are now from inside the kernel afaik and need an affix of kernel-, what'e the best fix? Hack the .bb? Nov 02 09:24:07 Ok. I'm well chuffed. This is me from my Spitz sshing over a bluetooth/gprs link. Nov 02 09:26:10 Noodles: nice Nov 02 09:26:27 lardman|work: make hostap stuff a RRECOMMENDS Nov 02 09:26:44 koen|food: right, if I can find where it comes from.... Nov 02 09:27:01 handhelds-common or machine conf Nov 02 09:27:13 Noodles: nice :) Nov 02 09:27:34 Aye. I never got it working before; I'd had it talking over BT to the phone but not got round to sorting out ppp. Nov 02 09:28:55 Right, I've found it in conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf -> do any of the c7x0 2.6.x images use hostap from outside of the kernel now? Nov 02 09:29:24 lardman|work: mine for example Nov 02 09:29:41 hrw|work: what's yours? Nov 02 09:30:01 hrw|work: I meant those which can be built currently Nov 02 09:30:07 lardman|work: my c7x0 2.6.14-rc4 use hostap-modules from outside kernel Nov 02 09:30:08 ah. Nov 02 09:30:27 hrw|work: Okay, -rc4 is current, I'll shut up Nov 02 09:30:27 no access to home machine now (where I have current images built) Nov 02 09:31:02 fetching gcc-csl and glibc take time.... Nov 02 09:32:03 hrw|work: Actually, if your -rc4 image uses the hostap-modules.bb generated files, should my -git3 image do the same? Nov 02 09:33:11 lardman|work: cannot tell - it was quite time ago when I looked inside images Nov 02 09:33:35 RP: ping Nov 02 09:33:41 lardman|work: pong Nov 02 09:34:01 RP: should the current 2.6.x kernels be using the external hostap-modules stuff? Nov 02 09:34:10 lardman|work: yes Nov 02 09:34:24 internal hostap is built but not installed Nov 02 09:34:24 RP: Right, that sorts it then, I'll build it explicitly Nov 02 09:34:27 NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20051102-r0: task do_fetch: completed Nov 02 09:34:30 uf. Nov 02 09:34:39 Is there a good reason not to switch to the inkernel hostap now? Nov 02 09:34:53 Noodles: Other than it not working? :) Nov 02 09:35:37 ah, I forgot to clean the stamps away - I'm going mad Nov 02 09:36:45 That would be a good reason. :) Nov 02 09:42:10 aaaaaaargh, just bricked me Z :-( Nov 02 09:42:29 XorA: What did you do? Nov 02 09:42:38 RP: flashed git3 kernel Nov 02 09:43:30 XorA: haha Nov 02 09:43:55 hrw|work: :-( Nov 02 09:44:02 XorA: It shouldn't brick the device? Nov 02 09:44:20 You can't brick c7x0 in the true definition anyway Nov 02 09:44:28 XorA: its not brick - its just not work Nov 02 09:44:31 it has a real rescue ROM Nov 02 09:44:33 RP: I know, but I cant even get flashing screen up now Nov 02 09:44:46 koen: someone regenerated glibc patches for 20051102? Nov 02 09:44:52 RP: I guess I need to do the other recovery flash thing Nov 02 09:45:07 hrw|work: only the first arm audit patch doesn't apply Nov 02 09:45:09 XorA: I can flash, run emergency with -git3 Nov 02 09:45:13 XorA: pull battery, pull power, then reconnect and try for the menus... Nov 02 09:45:15 koen: I have it regenerated Nov 02 09:45:30 RP: just done that, that worked Nov 02 09:45:48 My guess is you usec revert-r0, not revert-r1? Nov 02 09:45:56 koen: http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/eabi/ Nov 02 09:46:07 my latest try: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/glibc_2.3.5+cvs20051101.bb Nov 02 09:46:16 hrw|work: you're helping bero? Nov 02 09:46:26 Hmm, so -git3 kernel is broken then? Nov 02 09:46:33 no - just wanted to look Nov 02 09:46:38 RP: alsa soc 0.5 shuld be in your inbox Nov 02 09:46:45 should Nov 02 09:47:02 lrg: thanks. will apply, test and then hopefully push :) Nov 02 09:47:21 RP: then I will flash it Nov 02 09:47:27 What's the current sound status in spitz? Vaguely working? Nov 02 09:48:01 Noodles: Sound should be a lot better than before Nov 02 09:48:16 koen: ops. wrong file Nov 02 09:48:21 Before it didn't exist I thought. ;) Nov 02 09:48:25 sound works on both c7x0 and cxx00 but lrg's patch will fix some know issues so I'll add that before pushing Nov 02 09:48:34 shit.. I removed good one.. Nov 02 09:48:39 Note, sound works in my tree, not the one in OE atm Nov 02 09:48:40 RP: I think I suffers some race issues in my brain Nov 02 09:48:45 I haven't actually had a want for sound on it tbh. Nov 02 09:48:51 But if I can have it I want it. ;) Nov 02 09:48:53 RP: ah Nov 02 09:49:38 linux-openzaurus-2.6.14-git3-r1 is what I built Nov 02 09:49:50 XorA: you need to bump one patch inside Nov 02 09:50:12 hrw|work: ahah, that would explain it then, oh well, Ill fix tomorrow Nov 02 09:52:49 I give up now.. will go out, do shopping Nov 02 09:53:00 cu Nov 02 10:00:51 RP: the akita git3 kernel I generated 1 hour ago won't boot Nov 02 10:01:02 RP: sounds like what happened to XorA Nov 02 10:01:18 Bernardo: see hrw|gone comment Nov 02 10:01:20 XorA|gone: see you tomorrow Nov 02 10:01:24 fraid I have to run Nov 02 10:01:30 XorA|gone: yes, just saw it Nov 02 10:01:34 I'll try that Nov 02 10:07:01 RP: the patch I need to change is revert-bootmem? Nov 02 10:07:08 Bernardo: Yes, that patch will break akita - update just been pushed Nov 02 10:07:12 yes, update to -r1 Nov 02 10:07:38 Bernardo: Wait 5 minutes and get the alsa updates as well Nov 02 10:07:43 Bernardo: well, pull now Nov 02 10:08:00 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r4741ce47... 10/: Nov 02 10:08:00 linux-oz-2.6 dev kernel: ALSA SoC updates from Liam and wm8731/wm8750 codec Nov 02 10:08:00 updates from me. Combined, this gives working ALSA sound on cxx00 and c7x0 Nov 02 10:08:00 models with working dpm. Liam has also fixed the oss issue whichshould fix the Nov 02 10:08:00 bugs seen under opie. Update bootmem patch to really fix c7x0 this time. Nov 02 10:09:55 RP: thanks Nov 02 10:11:02 dpm is dynamic power management - i.e. it powers internal codec circuits up and down automatically depending on the audio routing (set by alsamixer, etc) and any active audio streams. Should save some power in the long term. Nov 02 10:12:12 lrg: It should save power now, shouldn't it? :) Nov 02 10:12:20 yes Nov 02 10:13:15 Ya know... for all that I rant at people that stick static binaries into source control, all I can say is Thank God for those Idiots. Nov 02 10:22:07 Twiun: what hw do you have that needs a binary driver? Nov 02 10:22:24 Twiun: oops Nov 02 10:22:35 Twiun: didn't read the full sentence Nov 02 10:22:56 :) Nov 02 10:24:53 somehow my brain registered it as "stick binaries into kernel"... lol Nov 02 10:25:19 but I assume that some git adding a binary into a scm saved you some time rebuilding it? Nov 02 10:29:20 lrg: dpm, nice Nov 02 10:31:40 Is that DPM as in Montavista's DPM, or just the general acronym dpm? Nov 02 10:31:52 koen, how's your eabi glibc coming along? Nov 02 10:32:20 CP|Laptop: see the comment above Nov 02 10:33:07 Bernardo: something like that... except that it's not rebuildable. Sources are gone, developers are gone, docs AWOL... and the last device in existance that can run it is about to kick the bucket Nov 02 10:33:17 mreimer: it isn't, but Bero seems to be making good progress: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/42/4225.html Nov 02 10:33:42 good Nov 02 11:03:44 RP: akita is working really fine with 2.6, what are the biggest todos with 2.6 now? Nov 02 11:04:49 RP: and, is theer any way to skip the "Empty flash" messages I get while booting? Nov 02 11:07:50 katossi: the biggest one seems to be support for big/fast SD mem Nov 02 11:08:32 katossi: also, RP told me that if I'd format my /home partition those would disappear Nov 02 11:08:51 katossi: it seems they are because of differences in the way 2.4 and 2.6 implement jffs2 Nov 02 11:09:23 katossi: a question, does your package manager show any installed packages when pointed to the feed generated by oe? Nov 02 11:11:26 Bernardo: I just installed it, I don't know, but i can try Nov 02 11:11:42 How does one format the home partition out of interest? Nov 02 11:11:54 ok, I'm afraid it might be a package manager bug and not a package manager+kernel 2.6 bug Nov 02 11:11:58 mkfs.jffs2? Nov 02 11:12:01 lardman|work: mkfs.jffs2? Nov 02 11:12:12 What package is that in? Nov 02 11:12:20 good question... :) Nov 02 11:12:24 is usbnet working with 2.6? Nov 02 11:12:26 mtd-utils* Nov 02 11:12:38 katossi: g_ether - gadget Nov 02 11:12:52 koen: okay, thanks Nov 02 11:13:35 lardman|work: is that a module or what? Nov 02 11:13:51 katossi: Yes, the module is g_ether.ko, it's gadget-ethernet Nov 02 11:15:24 when I load it I get 92mA over budget, is it normal? Nov 02 11:20:31 no idea - what are you reading that from? your computer? Nov 02 11:21:13 the akita, but my real problem is a connect the akita to my laptop but I get nothing from the laptop, dmesg shows no change at all Nov 02 11:21:36 it shows you the usb current draw? Nov 02 11:21:56 current draw? Nov 02 11:22:26 you said 92mA over budget... Nov 02 11:23:27 am okeverything look ok in the akita Nov 02 11:23:37 that looks like a warning, not an error Nov 02 11:24:53 where is the usbnet config option in the 2.6 kernel, I don't find it Nov 02 11:25:32 there is no usbnet, it's all gadget now Nov 02 11:25:46 afaik Nov 02 11:26:26 should I use the same in both sides? Nov 02 11:26:57 ah, I see what you mean, no gadget is on the Zaurus side, not sure about you rLinux box Nov 02 11:27:58 yes, I mean in the host side, do I need usbnet (and where is it?) or gadget? Nov 02 11:29:00 You mean what should the slave run? (the Zaurus probably) Nov 02 11:29:13 http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ Nov 02 11:31:42 sorry, got to run, have a nice evening all Nov 02 11:33:26 katossi: Formating removes the jffs2 errors, not the empty flash ones. There isn't much I can do about them other than patching them out Nov 02 11:35:19 katossi: usb client does not work for pxa27x devices yet Nov 02 11:35:32 katossi: This is why there is no config option Nov 02 11:35:36 blah blah blah Nov 02 11:37:06 RP: iirc g_ether works on the hx4700 Nov 02 11:37:35 koen: It may do be nobody has imported that patch from hh.org into the oz tree or submitted it into mainline Nov 02 11:38:05 so you actually mean "it does work, but not in my kernel" Nov 02 11:39:10 koen: I don't claim to know what works or doesn't in hh.org Nov 02 11:39:32 In my experience, it usually doesn't ;-) Nov 02 12:21:19 kergoth: poke of wounded knee Nov 02 13:23:44 anybody doing any powerPC stuff with OE??? Nov 02 13:25:34 greg72 and br1 were dowing ppc stuff Nov 02 13:32:55 idiotic question: is OE set up to cross-compile for, say, the 603e core? How would I even check? Nov 02 13:33:59 abrewer: I gues not yet Nov 02 13:34:17 abrewer: you would have a conf/machine/yourppp.conf Nov 02 13:34:28 ah, okay.... Nov 02 13:34:29 abrewer: which would select the right compiler package, flags, arch... Nov 02 13:34:54 abrewer: you could check if anyone is already doing 603e specific things Nov 02 13:35:01 so that might not be too bad. i see all the right diffs in 2.6 for the chip i'm looking at. Nov 02 13:35:18 that's why i was here (-; Nov 02 13:46:42 hey Nov 02 13:47:42 hi kergoth Nov 02 13:49:47 morning kergoth Nov 02 14:27:33 * kergoth sighs Nov 02 14:27:44 ~users Nov 02 14:27:45 hi kergoth Nov 02 14:27:46 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. Nov 02 14:28:18 ~lart hp for networkprinter-software Nov 02 14:28:18 * ibot_ makes a balloon animal out of hp for networkprinter-software Nov 02 14:34:10 woglinde: hey Nov 02 15:11:24 ibot: bravo Nov 02 15:11:25 i heard bravo is italian word for good Nov 02 15:11:36 ~botsnack Nov 02 15:11:36 raduga: aw, gee Nov 02 15:11:40 ~botsnack Nov 02 15:11:41 ~botsnack Nov 02 15:12:04 we should change that to Grazie! Nov 02 16:07:29 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r6e4a5153... 10/: gpe 2.7: update some bits Nov 02 16:19:09 anyone know which package real netstat is in? (not busybox) Nov 02 16:24:04 i dont think the one you want does Nov 02 16:24:18 ~emulate peter Nov 02 16:24:20 i heard emulate peter is ... Nov 02 16:24:27 aw, wtf Nov 02 16:24:28 you broke him kergoth Nov 02 16:24:30 ~emulate chris Nov 02 16:24:31 When I stick this army guy with the sharp bayonette up my nose, it tickles my brain. Hah hah hah ... ow. Oh, now I don't know math. Nov 02 16:24:42 lol Nov 02 16:24:52 how goes it kergoth ? Nov 02 16:25:17 meh, soso. antidepressents havent yet kicked in yet. soon. Nov 02 16:25:17 heh Nov 02 16:25:23 ah Nov 02 16:25:29 have been missign work without calling in, so methinks i dont work there anymore :P Nov 02 16:25:39 :( Nov 02 16:25:54 i am thinking that is a bad thing Nov 02 16:26:13 should be back to somewhat normal in a week at the outside though, and at least i'm staying with my dad atm, so he can cover the mortgage Nov 02 16:26:21 heh Nov 02 16:26:31 you mean he is working now? Nov 02 16:26:58 yup, has been for a while now, surprisingly. he's on his own medication now :P Nov 02 16:27:08 lol Nov 02 16:27:10 whats new with you? Nov 02 16:27:41 trying to decide if i need to start skecthcing out an RTOS ... i seem to be repeating a lot of code Nov 02 16:27:50 sketching* Nov 02 16:28:15 not that RTOS on a PIC is that hard to begin with Nov 02 16:29:22 other than that its school, programming, and some days wishing they cut my leg off Nov 02 16:31:06 heh, fun fun Nov 02 16:31:15 yeah Nov 02 16:31:28 i could do without the being a cripple part Nov 02 16:32:21 ? Nov 02 16:32:45 if they cut his leg, off, you see... :) Nov 02 16:33:07 tore a large chunk of cartilidge off my knee in early july Nov 02 16:33:12 ah Nov 02 16:33:33 now i get to wear a brace the rest of my life Nov 02 16:33:37 ew Nov 02 16:33:44 thats not good Nov 02 16:33:49 ack, that really sucks Nov 02 16:34:03 find out in jan if we need to inject lubricant into my knee every three months Nov 02 16:35:04 its only long days taht i wish they'd cut off my legg Nov 02 16:35:17 leg* Nov 02 16:37:20 hey guys, can anyone tell me why im gettng this error? http://pastebin.ca/27451 Nov 02 16:38:04 looks like you might need to update bitbake? Nov 02 16:38:19 ill try that Nov 02 16:38:52 otherwise it might not be able to find bitbake/locak .conf Nov 02 16:39:00 local* Nov 02 16:39:22 just updated bitbake, no change Nov 02 16:39:37 yeah then your enviroment is probably not correct Nov 02 16:40:34 well ive followd all the instructions in getting started Nov 02 16:41:11 there are insteructions? Nov 02 16:41:33 kergoth: ever do any experimenting with "speeding up" libtool? Nov 02 16:43:05 not really. imho it needs a rewrite from scratch, and /that/ is not a project i want Nov 02 16:43:07 heh Nov 02 16:43:12 heh yeah Nov 02 16:43:26 i'm writing a thin wrapper to speed up the --mode=compile path with a hack Nov 02 16:43:50 ah Nov 02 16:43:51 cool Nov 02 16:44:14 you profiled the compile w/ and w/o libtool to see just how bad it is? Nov 02 16:44:37 emte, yeah, http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted Nov 02 16:44:52 my z and ipaq have been sitting in the same place for so long, you can write your name in the dust Nov 02 16:45:00 kergoth: roughly Nov 02 16:45:08 * CosmicPenguin puts them away for good Nov 02 16:45:17 * CosmicPenguin leave his tuxscreen in his office to remind him of his roots Nov 02 16:45:20 kergoth: libtool doubles the compile time of a ccache run Nov 02 16:45:50 damn Nov 02 16:45:59 the shared object stuff in libtool is the real pain with it Nov 02 16:50:24 # Whether or not to build shared libraries. Nov 02 16:50:24 build_libtool_libs=yes Nov 02 16:50:24 # Whether or not to build static libraries. Nov 02 16:50:24 build_old_libs=yes Nov 02 16:50:30 * gb2 sighs at libtool terminology Nov 02 16:51:12 heh Nov 02 16:51:18 easy to get lost in that maze they call a codebase Nov 02 16:51:51 static goes in current dir, shared goes in .libs/ Nov 02 16:51:53 * gb2 boggles Nov 02 16:52:00 * gb2 implements just static only Nov 02 16:52:12 oh, gotta deal with clogged drain (bathroom sink) first Nov 02 16:59:22 anyone else got any ideas in realation to http://pastebin.ca/27452? Nov 02 17:01:20 holy crap. i should have drainoed that sink months ago. it's like 100 times faster now Nov 02 17:01:30 gb2: heh Nov 02 17:01:37 * gb2 returns to libtool draino-ing Nov 02 17:01:55 oris_wolfbane: what's the actual issue? pastebin.ca URLs are no use; that site doesn't work. Nov 02 17:02:34 that link worked fine here Nov 02 17:02:35 heh Nov 02 17:03:27 pb_, ive just get everything set up as detailed on the wiki, and when i try to run bitbake i get the error "TypeError: pkgdata() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given) Nov 02 17:03:27 " Nov 02 17:03:32 ah, did they fix their broken dns? that's cool. Nov 02 17:04:02 nah, you can get to it from oe.handhelds.org Nov 02 17:04:20 he isnt talking about oe's site, he's talking about pastebin.ca Nov 02 17:04:30 yeah Nov 02 17:04:46 it certainly used to be the case that pastebin.ca had an AAAA record pointing to a duff address. Nov 02 17:05:00 so, if you had IPv6 turned on, the site was effectively unreachable Nov 02 17:05:15 ah Nov 02 17:05:23 oops, my mistake Nov 02 17:05:35 but, it does look like they've fixed that now. so, rock. Nov 02 17:08:41 sadly, though, I have no idea about your pkgdata() problem. I guess that überhacker mickeyl and/or überhacker zecke would be your resource for that kind of thing. Nov 02 17:11:52 pb_, ok, thanks for trying Nov 02 17:13:59 exit Nov 02 17:14:02 oops Nov 02 19:35:49 morning Nov 03 01:00:45 morning all Nov 03 01:05:50 RP. Nov 03 01:06:03 hi Nov 03 01:06:35 is it a bad sign when you have a 150gig folder named "foo" Nov 03 01:30:05 now to figure out what I can do with 102gb of /storage/oe/source Nov 03 01:33:19 maybe I should take donations for a hard drive :p Nov 03 01:36:50 ggilbert: why stop at one? Nov 03 01:37:15 the 'foo' folder should be allowed to grow to 1TB ;) Nov 03 01:37:56 koen: hehe Nov 03 01:38:07 koen: well foo I worked under this assumtion Nov 03 01:38:10 assumption Nov 03 01:38:25 "it looks like my various crap. i didnt know it's been sitting there for 6 months. I can delete it" Nov 03 01:39:16 I could look through it carefully, but frankly I probably will never need any of it Nov 03 01:39:30 the source folder needs a bit more selective cleaning Nov 03 01:39:32 if any Nov 03 01:40:48 is there anyone using a wpa_psk wfi connection here ? Nov 03 01:46:28 morning Nov 03 01:46:47 morning Nov 03 01:58:00 morning XorA Nov 03 01:58:55 hey RP, just making me a new git3 :-D Nov 03 02:08:10 XorA: Its the best alsa sound yet :) Nov 03 02:24:01 morning Nov 03 02:26:09 hrw|work: morning Nov 03 02:26:18 hi hrw|work Nov 03 02:26:36 woo woo, we have booting Nov 03 02:27:10 XorA: You sound surprised? :) Nov 03 02:27:32 RP: nah, I trust you, just suffered all night waiting for my dead Z Nov 03 02:27:48 I had to remove ccache to get git3-r2 built Nov 03 02:28:19 hrw|work: you interested in resurecting X/qt? Nov 03 02:28:26 XorA: Always keep a backup of your last known good kernel. I know this all too well ;-) Nov 03 02:28:33 OT: my router each time when I login give me info 'how to make white russian drink' Nov 03 02:28:45 XorA: no - just asked because of one thread on opie-devel Nov 03 02:28:53 RP: I did have, but I ran out of time yesterday, since I became IT manager, I nicked a machine in work to build on Nov 03 02:30:00 (MACHINE = "spitz" | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4" | KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6") Nov 03 02:30:11 hrw|work: a pity, because I think changes are probably quite simple, I did 1st two then got stuck with the unicode in the keyboard handling as the QTe OZ uses has that block of functions left out for size reasons, sharp ROM has them in, and I couldnt find good enough docs to work out what to change Nov 03 02:30:13 can spitz mount a hd device? Nov 03 02:30:31 hrw|work: after spending 3 days trying to learn QT I quit in disgust Nov 03 02:32:02 ah. Nov 03 02:32:10 someone heard about MapFS? Nov 03 02:33:03 hrw:never,what it is? Nov 03 02:33:11 http://www.levanta.com/mapfs/ - is it looks like other unionfs? Nov 03 02:36:40 looks like unionfs Nov 03 02:40:40 * koen reads all the technical arguments on opie-devel: 'it's buttugly', 'use kernel 2.4' Nov 03 02:46:27 morning mickeyl Nov 03 02:46:54 mickeyl: All that TV must have been bad for your eyes! :) Nov 03 02:48:03 hi mithro Nov 03 02:48:59 RP: it was 'how to write Ph.D.' programme Nov 03 02:49:22 heh Nov 03 02:49:24 morning guys Nov 03 02:50:36 koen: :D Nov 03 02:51:10 hey mickeyl Nov 03 02:51:57 * koen starts to like latex Nov 03 02:52:14 koen: your turning into the local gimp :-) Nov 03 02:52:22 heh Nov 03 02:53:12 latex-beamer rocks. My next presentation will be written in LaTeX instead of PowerPoint. Nov 03 02:53:44 It seems I'll do a 'mickeyl' on gulev Nov 03 02:54:20 * RP gave several presenations written in LaTeX Nov 03 02:54:36 not to be confused with giving a presentation in latex :-/ Nov 03 02:54:37 s5 looks pretty good too Nov 03 02:55:22 RP: that might go down well at some conferences :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 03 02:59:58 2005