**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 09 02:59:57 2005 Nov 09 03:02:50 greentux: The problem is that we're using the .dev tree for these images. We need to talk to mickeyl about what we can do in the release branch Nov 09 03:10:02 morning Nov 09 03:16:51 hrw: ok, where do you live (beside the bluetooth card) Nov 09 03:17:43 greentux: Poland Nov 09 03:18:46 hi XorA Nov 09 03:44:05 somebody uses a bluetooth cf card with 2.6 (serial_cs)? Nov 09 03:54:05 greentux: I do. Nov 09 03:55:13 What device are you using for it? Nov 09 03:55:18 (I'm using a spitz) Nov 09 03:55:28 greentux but the billionton is not supported under 2.6 Nov 09 03:55:48 I'm using a Billionton under 2.6 Nov 09 03:56:11 Well, an unbadged one, but it reports the same pcmcia id I think. Nov 09 03:56:25 mmmh which one? cardctl info? Nov 09 03:57:12 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r680976b9... 10/: ludeos-packages.conf: Fixed missing EXTRA_PACKAGES declaration Nov 09 03:57:27 mmmh i see nothing from serial_cs after modprobe... Nov 09 03:58:43 MANFID=0279,950b Nov 09 03:59:16 right same here Nov 09 03:59:30 What device are you on? Nov 09 03:59:33 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r2ba1a49c... 10/: meta/openslug-image.bb: Enabled for Iomega NAS 100d builds. Nov 09 03:59:37 03rw 07org.oe.dev * r2b1505a4... 10/: e2fsprogs: patch Makefile.ins to create symlinks instead of hardlinks, remove bogus postinsts, and fix FILES in 1.38 Nov 09 03:59:38 C3100 Nov 09 03:59:45 Which kernel are you running? Nov 09 03:59:47 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rf7112800... 10/: distro/ludeos.conf: Removed the dependency on upslug2-native. Nov 09 03:59:54 o.. good to know that this card works with 2.6 Nov 09 04:00:27 It doesn't work with plain 2.6. Nov 09 04:00:35 Noodles: so it's serial_cs under 2.6/oe? Nov 09 04:00:39 2.6.14-git3 Nov 09 04:00:41 But 2.6.14-git3 in OZ has the right patch. Nov 09 04:00:47 Yes, serial_cs. Nov 09 04:02:19 mmmh mmmh after modprobe serial_cs u see what? Nov 09 04:02:24 Noodles: it works out-of-box with 2.6.14-git3 and pcmciautils? Nov 09 04:03:02 hrw|work: It works with the 2.6.14-git3 because I added the patch from -mm that makes it work. It needs a hack to /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth as well. Nov 09 04:03:22 how hciattach... which serial? Nov 09 04:03:37 Patience! I'm trying to work as well! Nov 09 04:03:46 ok. I understand Nov 09 04:04:02 You have the card inserted and serial_cs has loaded ok for it? Nov 09 04:04:20 yes is loaded, but no /dev/tty message in dmesg Nov 09 04:04:40 Then you want "setserial /dev/ baud_base 921600" followed by "/sbin/hciattach -s 921600 bcsp". Nov 09 04:04:52 hcitool dev shows nothing... Nov 09 04:05:09 ok, but which ? Nov 09 04:06:53 ok setserial works wirh ttyS3... now hciattch... Nov 09 04:07:36 And does that work or error? Nov 09 04:07:56 cant get port working... Nov 09 04:08:10 What does that mean? What error do you get from what command? Nov 09 04:08:22 Does /dev/ttyS3 exist? Nov 09 04:08:40 cant get port settings: input/output error Nov 09 04:10:06 all exists Nov 09 04:10:21 setserial works for ttyS3 and ttyS4 Nov 09 04:11:21 do you see something in log by inserting serial_cs like "ttySx up" or so? Nov 09 04:11:34 You never said what command give that error. Nov 09 04:11:44 hciattach gives the error Nov 09 04:12:34 Yes, but what *exactly* did you type? I'm trying to work out why it's going wrong for you and without full details of what you're actually doing I can't be sure what's going on. Nov 09 04:13:00 hciattach -s 921600 ttyS3 bcsp Nov 09 04:13:39 there is no way to fetch sources from cvs sourceforge for the e-image. Do you know if there is any other rep ? Nov 09 04:13:40 Ok. What does "setserial -g /dev/ttyS3" give? Nov 09 04:14:19 UART unknow Nov 09 04:14:59 for /dev/ttyS0 till /dev/ttyS2 it shows: UART: undefined Nov 09 04:15:28 for /dev/ttyS3 and above it shows UART: unknown Nov 09 04:16:06 Hmmm. I get "UART: 16950/954". Nov 09 04:16:33 Noodles: you have pcmcia-cs installed? Nov 09 04:16:37 Did you manually load serial_cs or did it autoload? Nov 09 04:16:53 modules: serial_cs and 8250 loaded Nov 09 04:16:58 manually Nov 09 04:17:10 greentux: Right. I think that's your issue. Nov 09 04:17:14 serial_cs isn't bound to the card. Nov 09 04:17:20 hrw|work: Yes. Nov 09 04:17:38 mmh Nov 09 04:17:38 You need to edit /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth.conf Nov 09 04:17:54 and all with this small keyboard, ok i will do Nov 09 04:18:07 greentux: check does you have pcmcia-cs (cardctl exist) or pcmciautils (pccardctl exist) Nov 09 04:18:19 Look for "Billionton Bluetooth Card" in that file. Nov 09 04:18:25 cardctl exists, pccardctl not Nov 09 04:18:29 I think it has: bind "bt950" or similar after it. Nov 09 04:18:30 ok Nov 09 04:18:36 line 192 iirc Nov 09 04:18:36 You want 'bind "serial_cs"' Nov 09 04:19:08 (Don't add 'class "bluetooth"' yet as the default bluetooth scripts will break it) Nov 09 04:19:23 ok found...line 114 Nov 09 04:19:54 no "#" on the keyboard? Nov 09 04:20:04 :) found Nov 09 04:21:06 done, now? reinsert the card? or restart some services? Nov 09 04:21:42 Remove the card, /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop ; /etc/init.d/pcmcia start Nov 09 04:21:44 restart pcmcia Nov 09 04:21:46 Reinsert card. Nov 09 04:21:54 Should get a dmesg indication of the serial port assigned. Nov 09 04:22:03 Then do the setserial / hciattach thang. Nov 09 04:22:05 cardctl eject;cardctl insert - not manually eject/insert Nov 09 04:22:42 ttyS3 found :) Nov 09 04:23:33 -g shows same like your card Nov 09 04:23:55 And you've done the baud_base command? Nov 09 04:24:03 hciattach fine Nov 09 04:24:08 Tada. Nov 09 04:24:58 cool, great and 'zajebi¶cie' ;) Nov 09 04:25:00 and now the fixes in the image please :) Nov 09 04:25:07 no card for you hrw :( Nov 09 04:25:26 greentux: ;) but good to know that it works Nov 09 04:25:27 I don't know how best to do the changes cleanly in the image, which is why I haven't done so. Nov 09 04:26:08 Some sort of conditional on the card type in /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth I guess. Nov 09 04:26:36 Noodles: but how? under 2.6 its serial_cs, under 2.4 its bt950_cs Nov 09 04:26:56 3.5.4 -> 2.6 -> serial_cs? Nov 09 04:27:43 greentux: bluez-utils pacakge is machine independent - the same for all Nov 09 04:28:19 ok bluez-utils has /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth... Nov 09 04:28:42 hotplug is different between 2.4/2.6 Nov 09 04:30:16 hrw|work: I've used serial_cs under 2.4 too. Nov 09 04:30:41 But again, you need the patch. Nov 09 04:30:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd37581ce... 10/: libgpeplugin: add cvs version Nov 09 04:31:33 Noodles: so as proud owner of that card you can work on getting it properly supported in OE ;) Nov 09 04:31:54 Lucky me. :P Nov 09 04:33:08 which patch you mean? Nov 09 04:34:34 /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth? Nov 09 04:35:55 i looks like that billionton is the most selled in germany... Nov 09 04:38:17 greentux: The kernel patch. Nov 09 04:38:35 There's a kernel patch to allow the serial driver to do the higher speeds the UART on the card allows. Nov 09 04:39:32 ok, read in the lists yes. i have not the knowhow with "how to get in oe", i am able to do testing etc... Nov 09 04:40:41 greentux: its good that you are ready for testing - you can get title 'Official borzoi tester' Nov 09 04:41:05 I suppose the question to ask is if anyone else is successfully using the card, whether under 2.4 or 2.6. Nov 09 04:41:15 thanks, dont know if it it advantage or disadvantage :) Nov 09 04:42:08 greentux: you can think that without you some things in OE wont work (or work badly) on borzoi (if it helps you ;) Nov 09 04:43:59 i think nobody uses these cards. i look if there is a possibility to make a condition i pcmcia/bluetooth on kernel version... Nov 09 04:44:10 ha sthe 2.4 kernel also the high speed patch? Nov 09 04:45:08 I don't know if all the ones in OE do. Nov 09 04:45:48 2.4.18-crapix dont have rather Nov 09 04:46:03 I think the 2.4.20-crapix did at one point. Nov 09 04:46:09 NOTE: package mysql-native-4.1.15-r0: task do_build: completed Nov 09 04:46:28 Noodles: 2.4.20-crapix getting obsolete now... Nov 09 04:46:40 Sure. 2.6 is the way forward. Nov 09 04:46:49 Which would mean we could just support the serial_cs way? Nov 09 04:46:50 -crapix was obsolete when it came out Nov 09 04:47:35 cacko works fine Nov 09 04:47:36 koen: but there was no other Nov 09 04:49:47 we have pcmcia-cs and the 2.6 hotplug in oe? Nov 09 04:50:24 thought that pcmcia_cs is obsolet with 2.6 Nov 09 04:50:30 Only recently. Nov 09 04:52:20 ok i vote for use of serial_cs in 3.5.4 for billiongton cards Nov 09 04:52:52 does that break 2.4? Nov 09 04:54:06 no, noodles said card is working with serial_cs under 2.4 Nov 09 04:55:09 No, I said I'd *had* it working under 2.4 Nov 09 04:55:19 I don't think it works out of the box. Nov 09 04:55:38 However I don't think it works with 2.4 by default anyway. Nov 09 04:56:02 bt950_cs doesn't handle bcsp IIRC. Nov 09 04:56:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r55cb2d9e... 10/: libsexy: add 0.1.4 Nov 09 04:56:43 the bluetooth card works only with cacko for me, not with 3.5.4rc (2.4), not with 3.5.3 Nov 09 04:56:51 not with orig sharp Nov 09 04:57:39 greentux: OE is not only for Zaurus Nov 09 04:58:20 i have a ipaq 5550 here :) but the buildin bluetooth works fine. so i dont need a cf-card Nov 09 04:58:20 bye all Nov 09 04:58:42 greentux: but you can use bt cf card in it too Nov 09 04:59:31 I know for sure that the bt in a h5550 doesn't work fine, since the bt chip has some serious bugs Nov 09 05:00:04 with 2.4 kernel a had a connection between 5550 and nokia 6630 Nov 09 05:00:13 familiar 0.8.2 Nov 09 05:00:26 koen, lucky you when got that far, I am in a corner with my h6340 as I can't use linux when it doesn't support mmc4. Nov 09 05:00:39 if stable dont know, but connection was there Nov 09 05:01:53 heh.. that yours bt-in-ipaq problem.. no bt = no problem ;) Nov 09 05:01:58 hrw|work: Do you know which driver cacko use for the card? Nov 09 05:02:04 Is it serial_cs or bt950_cs? Nov 09 05:02:20 I check the doc at mmca.org and it seems that mmc4 can work in legacy mode with setup for mmc v3.31 Nov 09 05:02:29 Noodles: bt950_cs rather but I'm not sure (never even touched cacko distro) Nov 09 05:02:41 i reinstall cacko for u Nov 09 05:02:51 hrw|work: Sorry, that was meant to go to greentux. :) Nov 09 05:02:51 But we are back in nowhere as mmc support of linux ends at version 3.3 Nov 09 05:06:53 booting cacko... huh Nov 09 05:07:54 lunch... Nov 09 05:14:14 lunch sounds like a good idea Nov 09 05:16:51 in an hour Nov 09 05:47:24 cacko uses serial_cs :) Nov 09 05:55:26 Rock. Nov 09 05:55:31 With a 2.4 kernel? Nov 09 05:56:00 yes with 2.4.20 Nov 09 05:56:32 it's safe to say only OE built distros use 2.6 on a zaurus Nov 09 05:57:18 If cacko are using serial_cs/2.4 then I think there's an arguement to be made for fixing up the bluetooth stuff then. Nov 09 05:57:32 I'll look at it later today. Nov 09 05:57:50 familiar is moving to 2.6... Nov 09 05:57:59 sorry "on zaurus" :) Nov 09 05:58:15 tnx Nov 09 05:58:30 who is the maintainer of the 2.6 usb-net stuff? Nov 09 05:59:07 greentux: ? Nov 09 05:59:38 perhaps i can help something with testing or so ... you told me: there is ongoing working (2.6 + usb) Nov 09 06:01:36 first it has to be added into kernel - if you are familiar with linux kernel source.... Nov 09 06:02:05 Do you mean USB client stuff? Nov 09 06:03:36 yep Nov 09 06:04:08 the hh.org 2.6 tree was working pxa270 usbnet Nov 09 06:04:42 and iirc someone started work on getting it in mainline Nov 09 06:06:21 iirc it are just patches from the the upstream maintainer Nov 09 06:07:01 * hrw|work dont know Nov 09 06:14:27 dont know if network via usb is usb-client... Nov 09 06:14:37 it is Nov 09 06:14:50 hrw|work: lunch time :) Nov 09 06:15:25 you dont want me here... Nov 09 06:15:26 ;) Nov 09 06:16:42 * koen is actually going to eat lunch right now Nov 09 06:17:03 2.6.13-mm has ist... Nov 09 06:17:35 greentux: you sure? Nov 09 06:18:28 http://lmn.net/Articles/150988/ Nov 09 06:20:45 Host lmn.net not found: 2(SERVFAIL) Nov 09 06:21:15 lwn.net sri Nov 09 06:22:00 I dont see any pxa27x work there.. Nov 09 06:22:14 greentux: There is no pxa27x udc (usb client) driver in mainline or -mm Nov 09 06:22:16 greentux: its not usbnet which is needed but pxa27x usb gadget Nov 09 06:23:15 mmmh ok, i am not a developer, so i thought that i386 > pxa is a kind of recompile Nov 09 06:23:53 ok so we can take that from hh.org 2.6? Nov 09 06:25:36 greentux: I said that earlier but it needs cxx00 specific code to be added Nov 09 06:25:39 lunch time (its better to eat something that looking how newbie say what to do to the one who is involved in that todo without even checking what was done already) Nov 09 06:26:26 u mean usb chip specific? Nov 09 06:26:51 but would be possible to take that from 2.4 stuff... Nov 09 06:29:21 greentux: yes and no. Its never as simple as just "take" Nov 09 06:30:52 ok, but i know approx. what to do and can ask some developers here... Nov 09 06:42:29 would be good to know if hh.org gadget stuff works for zaurus too. Nov 09 06:52:53 1NOTE: package mysql-4.1.15-r0: task do_build: completed Nov 09 07:07:26 greentux: It will work but needs someone to spend time on it Nov 09 07:16:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raf60031d... 10/: libsexy 0.1.4: fix DEPENDS Nov 09 07:20:51 woglinde: hey Nov 09 07:21:00 hey Nov 09 07:21:23 windows-updatefunktion ist zubloed pci-ids zuvergleichen Nov 09 07:21:29 ups Nov 09 07:21:31 sorry Nov 09 07:21:50 argh.. kdiff3 with 7M files is unstable ;( Nov 09 07:23:08 hrw *g* Nov 09 07:23:33 easiest way to update one database with parts of second one Nov 09 07:23:51 209 conflicts Nov 09 07:24:35 tried bluetooth... hciattach ok. then i tried to use the opie bluetooth app. find my gsm, but no services on the gsm Nov 09 07:26:22 no rfcomm binds Nov 09 07:26:55 hrw|work: hehe Nov 09 07:27:03 hrw|work: I guess it is not the average use case Nov 09 07:29:05 zecke: but it should work Nov 09 07:29:32 ~lart libsdl-qpe Nov 09 07:29:32 * ibot whips out his power stapler and staples libsdl-qpe's foot to the floor Nov 09 07:29:46 NOTE: package snes9x-sdl-qpe-1.39-r1: task do_compile: failed Nov 09 07:30:52 ~lart kdiff3 again.. Nov 09 07:30:52 * ibot rm -rf's kdiff3 again.. Nov 09 07:30:59 'no save before resolve' Nov 09 07:31:19 http://pastebin.com/422974 is snes bug (not found qte) Nov 09 07:33:16 hmm Nov 09 07:33:21 -L/lib/qt2 is missing Nov 09 07:33:48 'Number of remaining unsolved conflicts: 1 (of which -1081933696 are whitespace)' - kdiff3 is funny Nov 09 07:34:40 zecke: but why it is missing.. Nov 09 07:35:12 its hard to test for me now as whole upload bandwidth is already taken... Nov 09 07:45:19 openembedded.org... is down. Nov 09 07:45:36 really? Nov 09 07:45:47 hrw|work: we need to check if it is sdl-config Nov 09 07:45:53 hrw|work: and maybe the one from your host? Nov 09 07:46:08 15:39 hrw@home:0912$ tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/sdl-config --libs Nov 09 07:46:08 -L/home/hrw/devel/build/0912/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-rpath,/home/hrw/devel/build/0912/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/../lib -lSDL -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/home/hrw/devel/build/0912/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/home/hrw/devel/build/0912/tmp/staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib -lpthread Nov 09 07:46:24 so it looks like it does not use sdl-config Nov 09 07:47:37 hrw|work: sure? Nov 09 07:47:44 not sure Nov 09 07:48:07 hrw|work: the snes output looks like this? Nov 09 07:48:21 no - its sdl-config Nov 09 07:48:26 nevermind.. Nov 09 07:49:01 it looks like snes one does not use sdl-config - then only ones (grepped tmp/work dir) was in temp/run.* Nov 09 07:52:15 hm.. on other machine it built Nov 09 07:53:15 will try to clean sdl from staging Nov 09 08:05:51 hrw|work: do you have sdl-dev installed on one of the machines? Nov 09 08:09:16 no Nov 09 08:11:05 maybe its time to create new builddir.. this was i 0912 so nearly 2 months old Nov 09 08:18:06 AvengerMoJo: hey? Nov 09 08:18:33 AvengerMoJo: which room are you in? Oslo? Nov 09 08:24:05 hi koen Nov 09 08:24:15 hey woglinde Nov 09 08:26:14 woglinde: how is your work like? Nov 09 08:27:12 zecke which work? Nov 09 08:27:25 you mean my job at the univeristy? Nov 09 08:45:08 yes Nov 09 08:45:18 zecke: :P Nov 09 08:45:30 zecke: what room? Nov 09 08:45:34 zecke: ..... Nov 09 08:47:15 AvengerMoJo: at suse? Nov 09 08:47:21 zecke: how do you know? Nov 09 08:47:23 :) Nov 09 08:48:06 :P Nov 09 08:49:33 Is it some sort of German tradition to name confrence rooms after towns in the world? Nov 09 08:49:40 Our Dresden plant does the same thing Nov 09 08:50:16 CosmicPenguin: dunno, ask SUSE Nov 09 08:52:49 hi Nov 09 09:03:54 cu Nov 09 09:11:31 cya Nov 09 09:16:59 does all .bb files inherit from base.bbclass? Nov 09 09:23:10 yes Nov 09 09:23:23 thank you Nov 09 09:35:11 I have a problem. the compile method of the baseclass would work fine to compile the softare, but I need to set an environment variable for that. If I set it in the do_configure() method it's not visible in the compile method. Nov 09 09:36:33 set in global Nov 09 09:36:39 export FOO=bla in the .bb Nov 09 09:36:52 thank you Nov 09 09:47:25 ~seen futaris Nov 09 09:47:32 koen: i haven't seen 'futaris' Nov 09 09:47:37 hmmm Nov 09 09:47:58 does any body know a 'hasjim williams'? Nov 09 09:48:45 CosmicPenguin: someone from amd wanted to send some patches yesterday, is that one of your minions? Nov 09 09:49:37 hasjim williams you mean? Nov 09 09:49:52 I think it was someone else Nov 09 09:50:08 I don't know of anybody Nov 09 09:50:12 Do you have a name? Nov 09 09:51:33 Rayzor (n=ray@svl-ext-proxy02.amd.com) Nov 09 09:51:43 Yep, thats my boy Nov 09 09:52:05 can mickeyl and me give him access? Nov 09 09:52:09 You bet Nov 09 09:52:30 okidoki Nov 09 09:52:37 in fact, he's the main OE guy around here these days - hes the official "build engineer" Nov 09 09:53:24 let him send a monotone to mickeyl@handhelds.org and koen@handhelds.org and it will get added Nov 09 09:53:49 monotone key that is Nov 09 09:54:10 here koen have my db , hehe Nov 09 10:05:02 CosmicPenguin: if you have more victims, just send their pubkeys to us ;) Nov 09 10:07:40 Okay it compiles now, but not creating a package. It says "not creating empty archive". Is the do_populate_stage() method which I have to overwrite? Nov 09 10:08:23 do_install Nov 09 10:08:32 and/or FILES_${PN} Nov 09 10:09:16 and the destination is the install folder in the work folder of the package? Nov 09 10:09:37 yes, ${D} Nov 09 10:09:58 okay. thank you Nov 09 10:12:00 * ade|desk shakes a fist at cvs.sf.net Nov 09 10:16:19 * Twiun gives ade|desk a box of tissues Nov 09 10:18:07 slowforge.net Nov 09 10:18:23 RP: I've emailed you alsa soc 0.6. I'm now working on some txt docs for hrw and XorA Nov 09 10:20:19 koen: ok Nov 09 10:23:27 lrg: Just got them, thanks. I'll upload the patches in a minute Nov 09 10:26:01 RP: thanks, I'll link to them on the alsa-dev email Nov 09 10:27:32 lrg: they're uploaded now, usual place Nov 09 10:27:49 ~lart linuxthreads Nov 09 10:27:49 RP: cheers Nov 09 10:27:49 * ibot executes killall -HUP linuxthreads Nov 09 10:27:51 you go splat now Nov 09 10:33:08 whats the quickest way to find which package has a particular depends Nov 09 10:33:28 build it Nov 09 10:33:52 or bitbake -nv Nov 09 10:34:31 or grep DEPENDS .bb Nov 09 10:35:27 ~lart QT Nov 09 10:35:28 * ibot does a little 'renice 20 -u QT' Nov 09 10:35:47 just for good measure - nothing OE related, their ability to piss me off transcends platforms Nov 09 10:36:40 stop using it Nov 09 10:36:57 I can't, sadly Nov 09 10:43:38 hi Nov 09 10:44:11 hop dang its me kernel dragging down the old gcc Nov 09 12:26:47 evening Nov 09 12:28:08 I'm in, koen out Nov 09 12:28:56 hi koen ;) Nov 09 12:29:03 hey gremlin[it] Nov 09 12:32:39 sorry for caos days ago on bugtracker ... Nov 09 12:35:39 ok.. bear is seating on top of monitor (toy bear ofcoz) and I will watch 'tv movie' Nov 09 12:36:19 'the pirates of silicon valley' - someone watched that? Nov 09 12:36:33 never heard of it Nov 09 12:37:28 thats about creating apple and m$ Nov 09 12:38:27 hrw: it's good Nov 09 12:38:44 and fairly accurate from what I've heard Nov 09 12:39:55 so another xvid to collection of IT related movies Nov 09 12:40:56 yeah, I would say it's a good addition Nov 09 12:41:40 friend has also something about BBS history but that era of computer usage was before my computing so I can skip it Nov 09 12:43:33 of course there is always Revolution OS as well (somewhat dry though) Nov 09 12:43:47 drw: also The Code' Nov 09 12:43:58 but it req swedish Nov 09 12:44:16 haven't heard of that...oh my swedish isn't so good... Nov 09 12:46:35 non technical but funny: Antitrust Nov 09 12:47:40 'You have house like Bill Gates.' 'Bill who?' Nov 09 12:48:00 heh Nov 09 12:54:52 * koen prepares for 'the shawshank redemption' Nov 09 12:55:14 ? Nov 09 12:55:45 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/ <- that one Nov 09 12:57:11 uhhh with iatalian audio also ??? Nov 09 12:57:14 italian Nov 09 13:00:58 moofoo Nov 09 13:02:15 moooooo Nov 09 13:02:59 * koen moves from the office to the bar Nov 09 13:11:39 a patch to the kernel have to be send to oe or hh-kernel ? Nov 09 13:12:48 ciao Pigi Nov 09 13:12:53 patch to hh kernel? rather to hh as its his kernel Nov 09 13:12:55 Ciao all Nov 09 13:13:00 Ciao gremlin[it] Nov 09 13:13:18 ok thanks ... Nov 09 13:51:25 is anyone using jamvm in oe? Nov 09 14:12:01 just ordered a nokie 770 Nov 09 14:32:06 drw: that movie is great Nov 09 14:41:29 cya Nov 09 14:49:31 I've been asked about mmc plus support for few days now. I've tried to find out if someone's written a patch to linux's mmc drivers but apparently there's no patch. Finally I decided to start Nov 09 14:50:13 doing my own investigation about mmc plus/mmv v4.0/v4.1/hs-mmc (hi-speed mmc). There are docs @ mmca.org's site. Nov 09 14:50:28 Unfortunately these docs aren't free, they are for sale. Nov 09 14:50:58 Linux currently supports MMC cards from version 1 to version 3.3 Nov 09 14:51:16 But signifant changes in mmc cards came in with version 3.31 Nov 09 14:51:39 4.0 and 4.1 cards can be used in legacy mode with version 3.31 driver. Nov 09 14:52:07 Unfortunately all docs after 3.3 are sold as separate products. Nov 09 14:53:06 I realize the hard work when doing that kind of technology, a piece of plastic, in size of a stamp that can hold a 4gigabytes of information. Nov 09 14:54:00 But I see no reason to limit usage of these cards to specific commercial operating systems. Nov 09 14:55:54 so? Nov 09 14:56:46 Should there be a so? Nov 09 14:57:36 no - I'm just a bit too tired Nov 09 14:58:03 common problem with specs and opensource work.. Nov 09 14:58:38 Well, I told this to share gathered information atleast to someone. Nov 09 14:58:49 we wont get sd/mmc support in zaurus sl-5500 because it use sharp own chip for it.. totally undocumented with binary driver. Nov 09 14:59:25 As most mmc cards are now on about to use this new versioning because it allows higher speeds and some other advanced options. Nov 09 14:59:27 jake_: thanks - I didnt know it before (really) Nov 09 15:00:02 Well, you got atleast binary driver. We (ipaq users) can use these cards @ wince, but that's useless. Nov 09 15:00:20 is TARGET_ARCH="arm" valid? Nov 09 15:00:23 jake_: that binary rather wont support mmc4 Nov 09 15:00:26 Crofton: yes Nov 09 15:00:29 hmmm Nov 09 15:01:23 Yeah, nice job then :) Nov 09 15:01:40 ahh Nov 09 15:01:52 Crofton: machine conf usually set it Nov 09 15:01:58 bitbake said osk5912osk was the machine Nov 09 15:02:06 but it is really omap5912osk :) Nov 09 15:02:16 it is set in the machine file Nov 09 15:02:20 We got other problems too, for example we need to use a wrapper to boot linux from inside wince.. Nov 09 15:02:25 I had the machine file spelled wrong in local.conf Nov 09 15:03:30 But this mmc problem is currently holding me back.. Nov 09 15:03:48 Crofton: happens Nov 09 15:03:49 I previously had a 1gb SD card, which isn't supported by those linux loaders.. Nov 09 15:04:09 yeah, I am just getting oe running again after several months off Nov 09 15:04:13 So I gone to shop and decided to buy a big enough card for all my needs.. Nov 09 15:04:17 jake_: zaurus models does not support 2G sd cards (atleast pxa25x ones) Nov 09 15:04:28 ok. I go back to movie... Nov 09 15:04:33 So I bought this 2gb mmc cards.. Nov 09 15:04:38 hrw|tv: which movie? Nov 09 15:04:46 hrw|tv: we are having stephen king.. Nov 09 15:16:22 jake_: The Pirates o Silicon Valley Nov 09 15:16:28 about creating Apple and M$ Nov 09 15:29:48 great movie Nov 09 15:30:16 definitially will end in IT movie lib Nov 09 16:00:35 cu Nov 09 16:31:56 I'm having trouble getting glibc to build for the omap5912osk machine Nov 09 16:32:01 Here is the error Nov 09 16:32:03 http://pastebin.ca/28183 Nov 09 16:35:33 oh well, I'll try again tomorrow Nov 09 20:25:36 Hey everyone. I installed pdaXrom to my brand new c860 but I have a problem! :( I am stuck at the pdaXrom screen Nov 09 20:25:55 Can't do anything. And I would reflash except that I deleted the flash files from the sd Nov 09 20:26:04 And I dont have anything else to write to it Nov 09 20:26:23 is there anything I could do? Nov 10 01:18:14 hi Nov 10 01:25:32 good morning gentlemen Nov 10 01:45:13 morning Nov 10 01:45:19 morning greentux Nov 10 01:45:56 organised a usb-eth adapter. will try with borzoi 2.6 :) Nov 10 01:47:37 greentux: 2.6 USB host works fine for me on Spitz. Try a hub, a serial adaptor and a GPS unit and they all get detected fine. Nov 10 01:48:12 i have the reason why i have this error : "server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/evidence for user anonymous". I've been told on #e that evidence cvs has been down for a while now. Nov 10 01:48:42 how can i upload the needed sources to oesources ? Nov 10 01:48:55 ok, but usb-lan is on my "to do" list ... btw: what environment u are using for crosscompiling the zaurus stuff? Nov 10 01:50:21 tried usb-adapter. no hotplug... do you know whoch module should work? modprobe -l lists nothing Nov 10 01:50:59 Oh. Hmmm. I think I had to manually load the usb-host modules. Nov 10 01:52:21 "modprobe ohci-hcd" I think? Nov 10 01:52:56 ok, usb-core and g_ether -> dmesg show the "gadget" Nov 10 01:53:29 but 92mA over power budget. i am looking for a usb hub... Nov 10 01:53:47 g_ether is for USB client I thought? Nov 10 01:58:49 i think g_ether is for "the client", and the client is the ethernet-adapter? Nov 10 02:01:45 no hub in the company... :) Nov 10 02:07:31 When you say "ethernet-adaptor" do you mean something that you can plug into a USB port and has an ethernet jack on it? Nov 10 02:07:39 So you could plug it into a normal PC too? Nov 10 02:07:59 If so then g_ether isn't what you want. Nov 10 02:10:21 yes is something i can plug in a pc... Nov 10 02:10:43 Right. So you need hci-ohci installed and not g_ether. Nov 10 02:10:47 but only g_ether does anything. i download now ohci-module.ipkg and install ist. Nov 10 02:10:59 g_ether is if you want to plug the Zaurus into a PC and have it appear as a network device to the PC. Nov 10 02:10:59 problem is, that i dont know, what is fix in the kernel and what not. Nov 10 02:11:19 but the power problem stys Nov 10 02:13:47 but in 2.6 g_ether is not working... said RP yesterday Nov 10 02:14:06 Yes, but you're not interested in g_ether. Nov 10 02:14:10 between 2.6.13 and .14 the whole gadget system changed... :( Nov 10 02:14:17 If you have a usb->ethernet device then it doesn't involve g_ether. Nov 10 02:14:26 g_ether would be my primary choice! Nov 10 02:14:36 the converter is only a workaround :) Nov 10 02:14:44 <_law_> hi, any ideas why /etc/mtab is empty on my Z? Nov 10 02:16:03 _law_: mtab ? fstab ? Nov 10 02:17:04 It's a symlink to /proc/mounts here. You have /proc mounted ok? Nov 10 02:20:06 <_law_> /proc/mounts is also empty Nov 10 02:20:27 <_law_> but /proc is mounted Nov 10 02:21:42 <_law_> does anyone have something in this file? Nov 10 02:23:24 i have things... Nov 10 02:23:48 i have mount points on my c7x0 3.5.4RC gpe Nov 10 02:26:08 <_law_> alan|home, perhabs i should try to restart my Z Nov 10 02:27:05 _law_: perhaps. Nov 10 02:27:29 "NOTE: package evidence-20050926: completed" yeepheee ! Nov 10 02:27:57 now i should upload sources to oesources.org Nov 10 02:28:20 morning Nov 10 02:28:33 hi ade|desk Nov 10 02:30:11 hi there Nov 10 02:30:23 morning all Nov 10 02:30:31 is there an oe package to build x2x ? Nov 10 02:31:04 hi RP Nov 10 02:31:36 hehehehehe d(^^)b : NOTE: package e-image-1.0: completed Nov 10 02:36:40 dzień dobry Nov 10 02:37:08 bonjour hrw|work Nov 10 02:37:55 aaaaaaaahhhh !!! e-image for c7x0 is 37mo... Nov 10 02:38:04 how the hell can i deal with that... Nov 10 02:38:25 alan|home: oesources are autocreated Nov 10 02:38:44 hrw|work: arff... Nov 10 02:39:37 bedboi: rather not - but you can add it ;) Nov 10 02:42:49 hrw|work: without the file i got, there is no way to compile e-image. I have what is needed. How can i help ? Nov 10 02:43:41 alan|home: if you got it from cvs then anyone can Nov 10 02:43:44 good morning! Nov 10 02:44:58 hrw|work: i didn't because this cvs branch is now closed. Nov 10 02:45:49 ah Nov 10 02:46:06 alan|home: closed or non working? Nov 10 02:46:09 hi Twiun Nov 10 02:47:14 hrw|work: closed. I've been told on #e, and someone sent me a tarball made before it was closed. Nov 10 02:47:25 ah.. Nov 10 02:47:58 alan|home: so submit a patch which will change SRC_URI to that archive, or submit a bug that cvs was closed etc.. Nov 10 02:50:05 i won't patch anything because i don't know how to do it and i don't want to mess anything in OE, but i'll submit a bug. Nov 10 02:51:19 hrw|work: shame on me, but... where do i submit the bug ? Nov 10 02:51:22 * alan|home hides Nov 10 02:51:28 alan|home: /topic Nov 10 02:51:41 shame on me... Nov 10 02:51:45 thanks hrw|work Nov 10 02:55:51 <_law_> alan|home, found the problem cat /etc/mtab works but vi /etc/mtab doesnt work why? Nov 10 02:56:17 _law_: indeed, i did a cat. Nov 10 02:56:30 _law_: i don't know why... Nov 10 02:56:31 _law_: /proc/ files are not editable usually Nov 10 02:56:47 /proc is virtual filesystem.. Nov 10 02:57:31 <_law_> hrw|work, put i only want read the the file fopen("/etc/mtab", "r") Nov 10 02:57:41 <_law_> s/put/but Nov 10 02:58:40 on my Z vim opened /etc/mtab without problem Nov 10 02:59:08 so it is probably problem with busybox/vi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 10 02:59:57 2005