**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 15 02:59:56 2005 Nov 15 02:59:58 diesert: look into code Nov 15 03:00:41 mickey|dinner: pong? Nov 15 03:00:48 hrw:thanks Nov 15 03:03:38 RP: does mickeyl said something about moving OZ feeds etc somewhere other then sf.net? I want to put info on website so users can read where feeds go when sf.net team will shout again on us. Nov 15 03:08:02 hrw:what shall I do for #NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: Nov 15 03:08:30 hrw:FILES in bb? Nov 15 03:11:02 hrw|work: I think we're going to use koen's mirror for now... Nov 15 03:12:58 ok Nov 15 03:13:04 diesert: yep Nov 15 03:13:35 RP: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/mirror/ Nov 15 03:14:01 RP: any suggestions to that text? Nov 15 03:14:11 ntp fails with gcc4 ;( Nov 15 03:15:58 hrw:please show me FILES grammar. Nov 15 03:16:19 diesert: look in packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu_*.bb Nov 15 03:16:36 hrw:ohh..:) Nov 15 03:19:00 hrw:thanksssss Nov 15 03:22:22 * Workaround for ntpdate failing on IPv6 addresses with some kernels. Nov 15 03:22:23 - Thanks to Dan Merillat for tracking this down. Nov 15 03:22:23 - Closes: #249216 Nov 15 03:22:27 we need this.. Nov 15 03:32:09 hrw|work: That looks fine to me Nov 15 03:32:29 hrw|work: For fixing gcc4 bugs, google can be quite helpful Nov 15 03:33:14 sure Nov 15 03:33:23 I will take care of ntp in ~hour Nov 15 03:46:34 anyone has ever tried jamvm in oe? Nov 15 03:52:06 hi alan Nov 15 03:52:10 NOTE: package ntp-4.2.0-r4: task do_build: completed Nov 15 03:58:50 patch pushed to ewi Nov 15 04:09:20 koen|770: hi Nov 15 04:13:36 There's problems with linux-libc-headers version prior to 2.6.12.0 on sh4 (can't even build gcc). I can either patch a fix into the older linux-libc-headers or create a .bb for the latest (or both). Is creating newer version of existing .bb's likely to cause any problems for existing builds? Nov 15 04:15:23 v8jlene: distros usually have PREFERRED_VERSION set for it Nov 15 04:19:15 hrw|work: Ok, I see it now (the PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers). So I'll create a new version of .bb and stick it in the bug tracker. Thanks. Nov 15 04:21:59 v8jlene: there is a bug for it even iirc Nov 15 04:28:46 ere Nov 15 05:07:53 konq/emb fail with gcc4 Nov 15 05:09:00 hrw|work: You can't tell me you're surprised by that. Nov 15 05:09:42 Noodles: I'm not suprised Nov 15 05:16:42 hrw|work: minimo works with gcc4 Nov 15 05:19:18 RP: but not in opie ;) Nov 15 05:54:34 ~lart debian transitions Nov 15 05:54:34 * ibot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at debian transitions Nov 15 06:59:59 libxine failed too Nov 15 07:13:49 I found 2 patches for xine - one applies, second no (both are needed probably) Nov 15 07:21:38 hi! can anyone here tell me what the term KERNEL ?= "kernel24" in a .bb file means? it's not mentioned in the bitbake manual (or maybe i am blind) ;-) Nov 15 07:22:07 which bb file? Nov 15 07:22:32 i meant .conf file, sorry Nov 15 07:22:39 h3900.conf Nov 15 07:23:30 seems to be some sort of conditional expression but i don't know how to read it Nov 15 07:23:35 thats internal setting - h3900 can use 2.6 or 2.4 kernel - 2.4 is default Nov 15 07:24:15 well ... and how do i tell it to use the 2.6 kernel? Nov 15 07:25:02 KERNEL = "kernel26" in local.conf probably Nov 15 07:26:33 hmm, so its kernel24 if KERNEL variable is not defined elsewhere? Nov 15 07:27:33 yes Nov 15 07:27:45 ?= means 'set it if it is not set' Nov 15 07:27:48 i see ... default value then Nov 15 07:27:56 keturn, thx Nov 15 07:29:32 would be good to include that in the bitbake docs :-) Nov 15 07:38:57 heh.. one fix make other things broke Nov 15 07:40:17 monotone from vanille down? Nov 15 07:42:16 yes Nov 15 07:42:18 use ewi Nov 15 07:44:49 hm.. DL_DIR takes 2G here.. Nov 15 07:49:14 I did, just figured I'd provide a gentle nudge Nov 15 08:36:34 alsa-lib also fails with gcc4 Nov 15 08:36:50 http://armlinux.simtec.co.uk/kautobuild/ just gets worse Nov 15 08:37:00 morning Nov 15 08:37:17 hrw|work: handy to know... Nov 15 08:37:20 hi chouimat Nov 15 08:38:49 collie looks nice ;) Nov 15 08:39:04 hrw|work: Don't you start ;-) Nov 15 08:39:22 RP: rmk told enough about it? Nov 15 08:39:36 hrw|work: I've submitted patches. Just everyone is ignoring me... Nov 15 08:39:47 hrw|work: yes, very much so :-/ Nov 15 08:41:29 RP: kautobuild looks nice quite nice tool anyway Nov 15 08:41:44 hrw|work: It is, I like the idea... Nov 15 08:42:08 but not the 'wtf is with Z machines?' from rmk Nov 15 08:42:40 hrw|work: I can understand his concern over collie - I jsut wish I could resolve the issue... Nov 15 08:43:00 I have a patch in the system to solve a lot of those failures but its not been looked at yet... Nov 15 08:44:16 what does libusb on collie?? Nov 15 08:44:42 bluez-utils Depend on libusb which depend on libstdc++ so we lost 1M on collie Nov 15 08:44:44 ARGH! Nov 15 08:45:04 it'll support usb bt adapters Nov 15 08:45:34 but its 1M in size Nov 15 08:45:42 1/14 of whole space Nov 15 08:45:51 hrw|work: lose it Nov 15 08:46:10 I'll report a bug Nov 15 08:50:52 ~seen emte Nov 15 08:50:58 emte is currently on #oe Nov 15 08:51:03 ^^ Nov 15 08:51:08 emte: ping Nov 15 08:55:14 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461 added as another thing which block release Nov 15 09:15:26 ARgh.. bluez-utils does not have an option to disable libusb support... Nov 15 09:19:56 atleast configure.in is clean and short so removing usb is easy Nov 15 09:27:51 you could possibly gey away with just making bluez-utils RECCOMEND libusb Nov 15 09:28:16 ggilbert: its linked in Nov 15 09:28:45 ah, not modular? boo Nov 15 09:29:10 so I plan rather to make a patch which allow totally disable it Nov 15 09:32:35 or will add "--with-usb=/tmp/umbaumba/" which will make it not found libusb Nov 15 09:34:57 in theory when someone start from scratch and use 'bitbake opie-image' then bluez-utils-nodbus is built without usb support. but libusb is build later Nov 15 09:35:01 ~lart me too Nov 15 09:35:02 * ibot puts me too through a wood chipper Nov 15 09:36:46 usbutils is in meta-opie but as we dont have a tool which need it I can remove it from there. Nov 15 09:37:06 usbhost machines should depend on usbutils in their machine.conf files Nov 15 10:02:07 12.633.564 opie-image-collie-20051115165348.rootfs.jffs2 Nov 15 10:02:11 looks quite nice Nov 15 10:03:19 2M free sounds good Nov 15 10:09:28 cu Nov 15 10:31:42 http://pastebin.ca/28817 Nov 15 10:31:54 I have the above fragment in a do_stage method Nov 15 10:32:15 but the FILES var isn''t being expanded in the for loop Nov 15 10:32:20 suggestions? Nov 15 10:35:58 help? Nov 15 10:38:04 are you sure? Nov 15 10:38:15 I looked in the script Nov 15 10:38:16 Line 4 is incorrect, btw Nov 15 10:38:53 http://pastebin.ca/28819 Nov 15 10:39:15 how so? Nov 15 10:40:32 bitbake will try to parse ${i} Nov 15 10:40:39 thats not what you want - you just want a plain ol' $i Nov 15 10:41:36 ok Nov 15 10:41:43 but I want it to pare FILES Nov 15 10:41:57 I am wondering if I need to export for some crazy reason Nov 15 10:42:30 I bet I do Nov 15 10:42:46 no Nov 15 10:42:54 because ${FILES} will get handled at compile time Nov 15 10:42:54 I guees if I defined FILES outside do stage, bb would export for me ? Nov 15 10:42:59 s/comple/parse/ time Nov 15 10:43:03 yeah Nov 15 10:43:08 ${FILES} does not exist when the shell gets run Nov 15 10:43:39 I am grepping for something similar Nov 15 10:43:43 There are many examples of this in the code Nov 15 10:44:20 the ones so far efine the var outside the method ..... Nov 15 10:45:59 Oh, wait Nov 15 10:46:04 thats all within the do_ ? Nov 15 10:46:13 Yeah, thats totally not going to work Nov 15 10:46:34 re Nov 15 10:47:25 there are several for loops in do_, but they define the "stuff" outside Nov 15 10:47:30 I trying an export now Nov 15 10:58:28 if its all within the do_ , then you can't use ${} Nov 15 10:58:35 because they'll be eliminated before you even get in there Nov 15 11:02:24 grr Nov 15 11:02:32 you are correct Nov 15 11:03:17 so I remove the {} from FILES in the for loop Nov 15 11:05:12 It might be easier to think of bitbake as a pre-processor in this regard - it takes everything ${} and processes it, and then thats whats passed to the shell Nov 15 11:05:17 hrw|gone: ping Nov 15 11:05:20 mickeyl: hello Nov 15 11:05:20 hi guys Nov 15 11:05:23 yeah Nov 15 11:05:25 Thats a glib interpetation, but it helps in the brain Nov 15 11:05:32 I think I am starting to get it Nov 15 11:05:39 hrw: can you change permission in official/unstable/3.5.3 so I can delete everything, please Nov 15 11:05:46 I could define the lists of files outside do_staging Nov 15 11:05:47 ok Nov 15 11:05:50 thanks Nov 15 11:06:05 but this staging is going to get messy Nov 15 11:06:08 i already removed 3.5.1 and 3.5.2. 3.5.4-RC will be removed right after my backup has been finished (couple of minutes) Nov 15 11:06:26 added a tiny redirect to official Nov 15 11:06:32 ibot: botmail read Nov 15 11:07:02 mickeyl: done Nov 15 11:07:22 hmm Nov 15 11:07:30 -rw-r--r-- 1 cwiiis users 1286144 Apr 13 2005 gxine-0.4.1.tar.gz Nov 15 11:07:34 ... Nov 15 11:07:41 ~seen cwiis Nov 15 11:07:47 mickeyl: write to sf admins - they will remove it Nov 15 11:07:47 i haven't seen 'cwiis', mickeyl Nov 15 11:08:02 hrw: will do Nov 15 11:08:21 without the downloads we are below 100MB and should be ok Nov 15 11:08:29 no need to move /mirror for now Nov 15 11:08:29 mickeyl: current collie has 2M free Nov 15 11:08:38 hrw: excellent. what did you yank? Nov 15 11:08:43 mickeyl: I will flash now Nov 15 11:08:56 mickeyl: ipsec, openswan, added altboot Nov 15 11:09:11 very good Nov 15 11:09:34 mickeyl: http://home.hrw.one.pl/tmp/status-collie.txt Nov 15 11:09:34 i'll be on LinuxWorld tomorrow and will pester Tolltech about Qtopia future :D Nov 15 11:09:40 Trolltech, even Nov 15 11:09:53 * mickeyl packs his 770 Nov 15 11:09:56 heh Nov 15 11:10:12 ~lart linux for weak SIGKILL Nov 15 11:10:12 * ibot nukes linux with a single large nuke for weak SIGKILL Nov 15 11:10:25 ~lart linux for lack of killing Zombies Nov 15 11:10:25 * ibot plops linux into a giant vat of herring for lack of killing Zombies Nov 15 11:11:11 Reap your zombie children! Nov 15 11:11:32 I just want to copy SD card ;( Nov 15 11:12:16 ok. lets test how 3.5.4-rc1-hrw-20051115 behave Nov 15 11:12:35 i need to change wlan-ng PREFPROV Nov 15 11:12:41 PREFVER, even Nov 15 11:12:50 release version is broken on tosa Nov 15 11:12:52 *sigh* Nov 15 11:12:55 ~kill wlan-ng Nov 15 11:12:57 * ibot shoots a excited fluxneutron gun at wlan-ng Nov 15 11:13:01 mickeyl: collie need ext2 and tarballs too - for altboot users Nov 15 11:13:39 hrw: yep. we should do that automatically Nov 15 11:14:04 mickeyl: IMAGE_FSTYPES in collie.conf or in oz-3.5.4.conf? Nov 15 11:16:06 ok. flashed. Nov 15 11:17:05 booting in progress Nov 15 11:17:36 mickeyl: looked in http://home.hrw.one.pl/tmp/status-collie.txt - something missed? Nov 15 11:18:53 1472 KB free on / in result Nov 15 11:19:50 looked fairly complete at first glance Nov 15 11:20:10 I'm for FSTYPES in collie.conf Nov 15 11:21:18 -bash-2.05b$ du -hs /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus Nov 15 11:21:18 108M /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus Nov 15 11:21:21 nearly there Nov 15 11:21:28 hm. I have to revet my collie.conf, push FSTYPES, then back changes and push included handheld-common Nov 15 11:21:42 mickeyl: oz_website/ web/ also out Nov 15 11:21:48 that's old? Nov 15 11:22:05 they dont work with new database Nov 15 11:22:46 mickeyl: some stuf from mirror is also not needed like qte 2.3.9* Nov 15 11:24:38 I'll try to add better redirect ;) Nov 15 11:24:43 heh Nov 15 11:24:47 i suck @ html Nov 15 11:25:08 it wont be html or php Nov 15 11:25:24 http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/15/news/funny/salmon_soda.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes Nov 15 11:26:21 * mickeyl prepares info mail to oz-devel Nov 15 11:27:02 mickeyl: I will try to make autoredirect for all in /oficial/* Nov 15 11:30:27 cool Nov 15 11:44:02 heh.. even errordocument is not allowed ;( Nov 15 11:52:43 mickeyl: kick monotone Nov 15 11:53:59 done Nov 15 11:55:24 mickeyl: switch to koen scheme: 'while 1; do start monotone;done' kind Nov 15 11:55:49 *nod* Nov 15 11:59:39 hmm.. I dont understand altboot probably.. Nov 15 11:59:55 cvs_: mickeyl: I willand CoreDump|home is MIA Nov 15 11:59:59 ops. Nov 15 12:00:10 I dont understand altboot and CoreDump|home is MIA Nov 15 12:00:15 hmm Nov 15 12:00:27 never really looked at it Nov 15 12:00:37 ~seen CoreDump|home Nov 15 12:00:39 coredump|home is currently on #gpe #oe #openzaurus #opie #handhelds.org Nov 15 12:00:42 ~seen CoreDump Nov 15 12:00:44 coredump was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-br, 6d 6h 16m 18s ago, saying: 'hmmm. alguem ai tem experiencia com balanceamento de carga entre servidores jboss?'. Nov 15 12:01:12 it does not load SD module before trying to copy rootfs there Nov 15 12:03:13 hmm.. collie does not have mmcda in devicetable? Nov 15 12:03:29 has. rootfs does not have Nov 15 12:11:36 I'm not sure if sdcontrol handles that or not Nov 15 12:11:55 'devices' initscript do it Nov 15 12:12:04 hmm.. need to rest my fingers a bit. bbl Nov 15 12:12:33 mickey|bbl: so cu in few days ;) Nov 15 12:12:39 heh Nov 15 12:12:54 my resting periods are longer since I have problems with RSI Nov 15 12:13:00 au.. Nov 15 12:13:13 *nod* Nov 15 12:13:14 I bought 'ergonomic' keyboards for it Nov 15 12:13:30 22http://hrw.one.pl/wp-content/thumb-klawiatura.jpg Nov 15 12:13:37 http://hrw.one.pl/wp-content/thumb-klawiatura.jpg Nov 15 12:13:43 one at home, second at work Nov 15 12:13:59 and it helps Nov 15 12:14:07 yep. using those things since years, but it just enlarges the time until it's too much Nov 15 12:14:24 main problem is my left mouse button finger Nov 15 12:14:36 pointing finger, so to speak Nov 15 12:14:39 so take care and greet your wife from me Nov 15 12:14:43 will do, thanks Nov 15 12:14:48 great Ana Nov 15 12:14:52 greet, even Nov 15 12:14:57 will do Nov 15 12:15:17 she's great anyway Nov 15 13:35:30 mickey|bbl: missed you... Nov 15 13:39:33 what are the args on oe_libinstall again? Nov 15 13:41:03 read the comments in it Nov 15 13:41:07 base.bbclass Nov 15 13:41:10 defined there Nov 15 13:41:31 grrr I am being lazy Nov 15 13:41:33 :) Nov 15 13:41:39 me too ;) Nov 15 13:41:53 good evening oe people Nov 15 13:42:48 and the comments are crap anyway :) Nov 15 13:43:30 I did an ln -s ~/gcc-uclibc/bin /home/epronk/work/build/tmp/cross/bin to use an externally build toolchain Nov 15 13:44:07 what would be a good way to add a path to external tools? Nov 15 13:50:22 add it to your PATH, then: Nov 15 13:50:22 # Use provided toolchain Nov 15 13:50:23 TARGET_PREFIX = "xscale_be-" Nov 15 13:50:23 ASSUME_PROVIDED = "virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}binutils" Nov 15 13:50:23 ASSUME_PROVIDED += "virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc" Nov 15 13:50:23 ASSUME_PROVIDED += "virtual/libc" Nov 15 13:50:26 in your local.conf Nov 15 13:50:44 use the correct target prefix for your environment though Nov 15 13:54:28 ok. this helps Nov 15 13:55:41 I thought the path to the compiler was eaten from my PATH, but now it works Nov 15 14:11:04 CoreDump|home: are you alive? Nov 15 14:11:13 atleast sometimes.. Nov 15 14:12:06 hey Nov 15 14:12:51 hi zecke Nov 15 14:13:27 first time I run hentegs OZ fork Nov 15 14:23:09 I have 7 .bb files we use at Philips Research that I would like to contribute. Nov 15 14:23:28 Is there someone who is willing to review and add them to their tree? Nov 15 14:23:36 add into bugtracker? Nov 15 14:25:19 epronk: bugs.openembedded.org Nov 15 14:26:05 ok thanks Nov 15 14:27:24 zecke: can I add them as attachment? Nov 15 14:27:33 epronk: yes Nov 15 14:27:44 epronk: you need to create a bug first, and then attach your files Nov 15 14:33:21 zecke: ok, I will do that. Nov 15 14:37:52 time to add some backports to opie 1.2.1 Nov 15 14:46:15 hi Phil Nov 15 14:46:37 hi all Nov 15 14:46:45 hi pb_ Nov 15 14:47:07 someone other then mickeyl, koen can kick monotone on vanille? Nov 15 14:49:30 cu - have a good night Nov 15 15:44:31 hi Nov 15 15:54:33 bernardo: Morning... Nov 15 15:54:59 hi v8jlene Nov 15 15:55:09 and goodnight all, time to go to sleep.. :) Nov 15 23:10:40 * Geo_KM is away: Away at the moment Nov 16 01:30:16 morning Nov 16 01:32:42 cool, I managed to my sl5600 to work with the ratoc usb host and get usb-storage and acn usb drivers working. All of this using and altering .bb and some files in the oemetadata. I can navegate throw a cell phone with the zaurus!! Nov 16 01:34:03 I will refine this changes, maybe this can be included in the oemetadata. Nov 16 01:45:19 good morning Nov 16 01:49:44 dzień dobry all Nov 16 01:49:55 dzien dobry Nov 16 01:50:26 na imja mam "greentux" :) Nov 16 01:51:01 greentux: ;) nice try Nov 16 01:51:49 i know, long time ago... and only speaking no writing. Nov 16 01:52:10 hrw|work: some news from RP because 2.6.15? Nov 16 01:53:02 greentux: first Linus has to release 2.6.15 Nov 16 01:54:43 hrw|work: to see which patches are accepted? Nov 16 01:55:22 hrw|work: vor some reasons we have to use 2.6.12, but in the moment i see that there are to many many many backports so its easier to port our features to 2.6.15... Nov 16 01:59:02 greentux: first: current stable for Z is 2.6.14-rc1 Nov 16 01:59:14 greentux: second: current development is 2.6.14-git3 Nov 16 01:59:53 greentux: third: Zaurus things which are in 2.6.15-rc1 are part of our 2.6.14-git3 Nov 16 02:00:20 greentux: when RP will decide 'we bump development Zaurus kernel version' then he will do it. but not before Nov 16 02:05:10 hrw|work: ok, we have for our little project to decide if we backport Z features to 2.6.12 or if we port our needs to 2.6.>14. For me it looks, that we should use the second choise... Nov 16 02:08:47 Backporting to 2.6.12 would seem a bit pointless Nov 16 02:08:53 morning all btw Nov 16 02:11:40 RP: i wanted to hear that :) to much changes between 2.6.12 to 14 Nov 16 02:11:48 morning all Nov 16 02:11:54 morning ade|desk Nov 16 02:12:19 hi RP, ade Nov 16 02:13:35 morning RP Nov 16 02:13:42 hi hrw Nov 16 02:13:50 RP:I had build a new kernel for my spitz sl-c3000 ,how to update the kernel? Nov 16 02:14:22 diesert: Use the standard reflash procedure Nov 16 02:15:39 RP: with ipkg install or something else? Nov 16 02:16:23 diesert: The usual procedure with e CF card and updater.sh and a zimage.bin file. You don't need to reflash the rootfs at the same time Nov 16 02:18:40 RP:this is my first time to update the kernel , what will need to be notice. Nov 16 02:19:15 hi diesert Nov 16 02:20:46 diesert: Have a look at the instructions on openzaurus.org about reflashing your device Nov 16 02:22:09 RP: ohh.. I remeber that .. Nov 16 02:23:50 rp: the " USB ethernet is usefull (and working :-) toy." patch in pavels zarus git solves the gadget usbnet support? Nov 16 02:24:30 greentux: not yet - doesn't work Nov 16 02:24:40 greentux: Its the hh.org code I talked about Nov 16 02:25:40 rp: mmmh that funny commit comment. ok, anyway :) if there is something to test, i will do Nov 16 02:29:32 wow.. few dirs from CVS_DIR removed and 1.8G gain Nov 16 02:51:18 9G partition is quite small for few builds. Nov 16 02:52:07 'a few'? I'm also running out of space, need to invest in one of those big (cheap) disks rather than using hand-me-downs from old PCs Nov 16 02:56:49 lardman|work: lvm :-D Nov 16 02:56:56 lardman|work: oz353, 0912 (my current c7x0), 1115-gcc4 (future c7x0), armv4l (collie 3.5.4rc), native (for opie devel), x86 (tried something) Nov 16 02:58:56 lardman|work: so it is a few Nov 16 02:59:18 hrw|work: :) that's what I meant **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 16 03:00:00 2005