**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 23 02:59:56 2005 Nov 23 03:31:39 <[lala]> hi hrw Nov 23 03:32:46 <[lala]> what is the proposed way to customize a distro, that is adding or removing some of the packages Nov 23 03:33:35 <[lala]> for example in opie-image one gets always the wpa-supplicant-nossl but i want latest devel version of that package in my distro Nov 23 03:38:12 [lala]: You want to set a PREFERED_VERSION Nov 23 03:38:44 PREFERRED_VERSION even :) Nov 23 03:38:55 <[lala]> in local.conf i assume Nov 23 03:39:37 <[lala]> but in case of wpa-supplicant i have different package-names: wpa-supplicant-nossl versus wpa-supplicant Nov 23 03:39:49 <[lala]> the preferred_version doesn't help here, does it? Nov 23 04:01:25 [lala]: That isn't what you asked. You'll probably have the alter the image dependency where it includes that package to change that Nov 23 04:11:06 <[lala]> RP, well that means essentially that i cannot use any of the standard conf file, because the dependency is unfortunately in handheld-common.conf Nov 23 04:11:44 <[lala]> which gets included via borzoi.conf -> zaurus-clamshell.conf Nov 23 04:12:27 <[lala]> wouldn't be a proper solution to define a virtual wpa-supplicant provider? Nov 23 04:12:31 [lala]: you can edit that configs if you need Nov 23 04:12:38 [lala]: probably yes Nov 23 04:12:53 or upgrade default one Nov 23 04:12:54 hi schurig Nov 23 04:13:01 hi! Nov 23 04:13:16 <[lala]> hrw|work, sure i can edit these configs, but then i can't keep them uptodate with the oe-default-branch Nov 23 04:13:49 [lala]: Either creating a virtual provider or creating a local copy of the handhelds.conf file to override the standard OE one would work Nov 23 04:15:48 <[lala]> ok, an how do i ensure that my local copy will be used? by placing the local conf dir before the original conf dir in BBPATH? Nov 23 04:17:54 [lala]: cd builddir;mkdir conf/machine/;cp OE/conf/machine/handhelds-common.conf conf/machine/; vi conf/machine/handhelds-common.conf Nov 23 04:18:24 [lala]: if your BBPATH is correct (builddir:OEdir) then it will use your handhelds-common.conf instead of oe one Nov 23 04:18:45 <[lala]> ok, thx. then it works like i thought. Nov 23 04:19:53 <[lala]> what if in any of the conf files is already some PREFERRED_VERSION variable set for some package. can i override that variable by setting another value in local.conf? Nov 23 04:20:43 distro and machine have higher priority then local.conf Nov 23 04:22:24 <[lala]> because they get loaded after local.conf in bitbake.conf? so last definition of a variable wins? Nov 23 04:24:49 yes Nov 23 04:25:21 thats why '=?' was added into bitbake - for distro/machine setups Nov 23 04:25:33 =? means 'set if it is not set' Nov 23 04:28:29 <[lala]> ok, then if =? is not used for the variable i need to change, then i have to make a local copy of that file Nov 23 04:29:30 or change in OE and submit patch (with description why it should be in that way) Nov 23 04:31:09 <[lala]> :-) Nov 23 04:31:14 <[lala]> sounds good Nov 23 04:34:54 basically it works that way Nov 23 05:47:37 Why the odd name for 2.6.14+2.6.15-rc2-r0? Nov 23 05:48:32 <_law_> lardman, git3 now has all modules. had to rebuild it Nov 23 05:51:20 lardman: to get something < 2.6.15 for ipkg Nov 23 06:11:09 hrw|work: ah, okay - it just does wierd things, as the previous 2.6.14-git3 isn't moved into the morgue Nov 23 06:16:11 happens Nov 23 06:19:35 yeah, no worries Nov 23 06:20:14 lunch time Nov 23 06:53:42 re Nov 23 07:27:32 hrw|work some experience in opensc / sc/pc on Z? Nov 23 07:27:47 greentux: opensc is smartcards? Nov 23 07:28:59 hrw|work: yes smartcards Nov 23 07:29:03 lardman|work: If someone can suggest naming that doesn't break something, I'm open to suggestions :) Nov 23 07:29:33 RP: don't worry - I was just wondering Nov 23 07:39:09 can someone give me an idea what I'm doing wrong here? Nov 23 07:39:11 http://pastebin.ca/30566 Nov 23 07:40:22 I keep getting undefine references for the bluetooth libraries Nov 23 07:41:28 I just updated the link to include the error messages Nov 23 07:42:27 Looks like it hasn't found the lib Nov 23 07:42:43 Or that lib doesn't have those functions in it...? Nov 23 07:43:58 I'm pretty sure the bluetooth libraries are able to do this... Nov 23 07:44:26 Someone had compiled redfang on the skiffs at one point. Nov 23 07:44:44 My guess is on the first option.. but I don't know what to do in my .bb to fix it. Nov 23 07:48:58 TyggerBob, undefined references FOR the library or undefined refs IN the library? Nov 23 07:50:57 emte, sorry, I guess I mean undefined references TO the bluetooth libraries, ie, they're not being found during the bitbake. Nov 23 07:51:28 then check the staging area Nov 23 07:51:36 if they are missing its one of two things Nov 23 07:51:54 they were not built or they do not stage properly Nov 23 07:52:01 the bluetooth libraries seem to be there.. Nov 23 07:52:05 bluesnarfer compiled just fine Nov 23 07:52:33 i also do not see a depens line for them Nov 23 07:52:37 depends* Nov 23 07:52:53 which just makes sure they are built before you try Nov 23 07:53:21 true.. Nov 23 07:53:47 I was just trying to get it working first.. I knew the BT libs were already there. Nov 23 07:53:49 also ... i dont remember if this is an issue or not Nov 23 07:54:09 I'll fix up things like depends and stuff before the .bb files go live Nov 23 07:54:12 you may need to remove that space at the end of your include line Nov 23 07:54:43 bbbl Nov 23 07:58:57 I obviously can't leave it this way, but if I add this line to the Makefile, it works Nov 23 07:58:57 http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/weplab/weplab-0.1.5.tar.gz Nov 23 07:59:00 oops Nov 23 07:59:03 LIBS= -L"/mnt/usbext2/bitbakery/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib" -lbluetooth -lpthread Nov 23 07:59:36 should I be using an EXTRA_OEMAKE line instead of the prepend lines? Nov 23 08:11:56 TyggerBob: -L${STAGING_LIBDIR} ?? Nov 23 08:13:24 lardman|work, can you put those kind of lines in the Makefile? Nov 23 08:13:47 I thought they could only be expanded by OE before it got that far Nov 23 08:14:09 TyggerBob: That's right, but you could override some of the variables in the makefile Nov 23 08:14:28 TyggerBob: Is it a poorly written makefile? Nov 23 08:14:52 it's just a basic one.. Nov 23 08:15:06 TyggerBob: Can you not run with EXTRA_OEMAKE = "-n" (is that the right one?) to override the vars inside it Nov 23 08:15:24 lardman|work, to be honest, I Nov 23 08:15:35 I am just learning this stuff.. Nov 23 08:15:45 so I'm not really sure.. Nov 23 08:16:19 I'm not a programmer by any stretch,, just trying to contribute by making .bb files for programs that I use regularly Nov 23 08:16:21 :) Nov 23 08:16:21 lardman|work: -n would be a bad command line argument to use Nov 23 08:16:51 TyggerBob: Usually libraries get passed to the makefile in the LDFLAGS variable. If the Makefile doesn't like that, you usually need to patch it Nov 23 08:17:29 Patching the makefile so LIBS=$(LDFLAGS) would probably work Nov 23 08:18:04 What's the flag which you can pass to make make use the environmental vars rather than those defined inside the Makefile? Nov 23 08:18:26 lardman|work: -e which is used by default ( I think) Nov 23 08:20:29 RP: Thanks Nov 23 08:20:58 RP thanks.. that worked: LIBS=$(LDFLAGS) Nov 23 08:21:15 I had to patch it anyway, because it uses cc rather than $(CC) Nov 23 08:21:16 RP: Though I remember Mickeyl telling me to use that flag, so I'm not sure it'd be on by default Nov 23 08:23:46 lardman|work: Things could have changed or I could be misremembering :) Nov 23 08:43:46 what's the diff command to generate patch files.. Nov 23 08:43:56 diff -u Nov 23 08:44:04 diff -urN is always your best bet Nov 23 08:44:42 Thanks Nov 23 08:46:20 * CosmicPenguin laughs at rday's e-mail Nov 23 08:49:23 hrm.. Nov 23 08:50:56 CosmicPenguin, when I do that, I get Nov 23 08:50:59 can't find file to patch at input line 3 Nov 23 08:50:59 | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? Nov 23 08:57:58 RP, hrw|work: I'm now making some progress with the asoc module deps and as RP suggested i'm making asoc a bus device. Nov 23 08:58:51 got it.. Nov 23 08:58:56 was missing pnum=0 Nov 23 08:59:29 pnum0 patches... Nov 23 08:59:56 hey Nov 23 09:00:04 mithro: do you come to the 22c3? Nov 23 09:09:58 anyone has experience with CBS? Nov 23 09:10:25 yeah, CSI rocks Nov 23 09:10:27 oh, wait... :) Nov 23 09:10:34 zecke_: CBS is Polish FBI-like Nov 23 09:12:36 hrw|work: how often did they arrest you? Nov 23 09:13:02 zecke_: 0 Nov 23 09:13:42 good ;) Nov 23 09:15:05 heh.. I forgot how does mysql do its imitations of subqueries during delete.. Nov 23 09:16:29 lrg: That's good to hear. I'm busy doing some work on led's to remind myself how sysfs classes and devices interface with each other, then I was going to see what ideas I could come up with to solve the SoC issues Nov 23 09:29:20 zecke_: 22c3? Nov 23 09:30:19 re Nov 23 09:31:11 mithro: https://events.ccc.de/congress/ Nov 23 09:32:55 zecke_: not planing too Nov 23 09:36:32 why? Nov 23 09:44:51 zecke_: it's in berlin? Nov 23 09:58:25 mithro: yes Nov 23 09:58:34 mithro: look at the program, it will be good ;) Nov 23 09:58:54 https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/fahrplan.en.html Nov 23 10:01:12 hi Nov 23 10:04:50 hey mallum Nov 23 10:06:04 hey zecke_ Nov 23 10:08:43 zecke_: -> ICQ? Nov 23 10:10:14 cu Nov 23 10:10:27 mithro: I'm at ROAD.. could you give me my icq number? Nov 23 10:11:06 later hrw|gone Nov 23 10:18:49 ROAD? Nov 23 10:19:16 UIN: 35712547 Nov 23 10:32:58 How can I tell bitbake where the unpacked sources are? Nov 23 10:33:37 it keeps to search in mypackage-myversion even if I changed S to ${WORKDIR}/mypackage Nov 23 10:37:13 inherit autotools missing - uops Nov 23 11:48:48 is there any doc about the oe_libinstall function ? Nov 23 11:51:25 what nick does Robert * Day have? Nov 23 12:04:51 evening Nov 23 12:05:43 hey Nov 23 12:11:36 yo zecke Nov 23 12:13:11 * reenoo_ realizes he still hasn't got around to replying to that one message... Nov 23 12:18:44 ~lart zecke's temper ;) Nov 23 12:18:44 * ibot puts zecke's temper ;) into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of zecke's temper ;)'s hair of Nov 23 12:22:00 hehe.. I can handle that ;) handling the workload of all the university courses I'm taking + rescue robotics project has turned out to be difficult to handle however... Nov 23 12:22:19 s/to handle // Nov 23 12:50:10 reenoo_: if i create a bb file for jamvm 1.4 and/or classpath 0.19, can I send it to you, submit it to the bugzilla, or nothing at all? Nov 23 12:56:34 katossi: Submit it to the bugzilla and someone will hopefully deal with it. If not, remind us ;-) Nov 23 12:57:24 RP: I guess that was the way, but since reenoo seems to be in charge for the java stuff, I wanted to know his oppinion Nov 23 12:58:25 reenoo_: rescue robots, nice Nov 23 13:05:23 hi zecke :) Nov 23 13:08:04 katossi: ok, fair enough. Nov 23 13:16:57 katossi: like RP said, please go ahead and submit what you have to bugzilla Nov 23 13:17:17 reenoo_: thx reenoo Nov 23 13:17:49 heya.. i cannot find the getting started guid again! i belive there is a mirror of it on hendhelds, can anybody provie me with the link? Nov 23 13:17:50 reenoo_: btw, any improvements with gcj and arm? Nov 23 13:18:51 what image type should I use for an ipaq 3970, ipaq-h900? Nov 23 13:19:29 katossi: dunno. I've been out of the loop for a while. Nov 23 13:20:04 reenoo_: I guess you're dawn busy, there's no time for everything in only one live :) Nov 23 13:23:21 can I use ipaq-pxa270 for an ipaq 3970? Nov 23 13:24:01 h3900 Nov 23 13:24:50 zecke: yah. successor project of this one: http://aimee.informatik.uni-bremen.de/ Nov 23 13:25:46 reenoo_: but in the oz354fam083 brach there are only ipaq-common and ipaq-pxa270 Nov 23 13:25:52 reenoo_: and you will show it off 2006 in bremen? Nov 23 13:25:58 should I go for common or try the dev branch? Nov 23 13:26:09 zecke: sure :) Nov 23 13:26:39 reenoo_: I will have to reactivate my RoboCup contributions so I will be in Bremen too Nov 23 13:26:51 zecke: hehe. cool Nov 23 13:27:18 zecke: the old team participated in osaka too btw Nov 23 13:27:20 zecke ... u was in the RoboCup ??? Nov 23 13:27:44 gremlin[it]: www.fu-fighters.de ;) Nov 23 13:28:10 i was in the Padua team of simulated robocup Nov 23 13:28:10 Lord of the MFC (puke) and Networking, a small bit fo FireWire and Vision too Nov 23 13:28:23 ah and the optimizing Vision, Path Planing ;) Nov 23 13:28:42 I'm world champion (twice) ;) Nov 23 13:28:57 i was on network and inter thread comunications Nov 23 13:29:28 we have good algorithma but poor implementations ... and i try to implemente communications betetr :) Nov 23 13:29:29 I might be lucky and can do RoboCup as part of the "Software Praktikum"... Nov 23 13:31:15 for me was an extra work when i was student :) Nov 23 13:31:24 i think was 98-99 Nov 23 13:31:35 gremlin[it]: It is extra work (research) as well Nov 23 13:31:48 gremlin[it]: but our team leader, will lead the Software Internship this spring Nov 23 13:32:10 gremlin[it]: so instead of doing something in PHP... which will not be used I might be lucky to do RoboCup stuff Nov 23 13:32:24 mhh for help only to be in touch with some 'teachers' ... Nov 23 13:35:30 morning Nov 23 13:36:31 a my friend was in osaka in 2002, with Padua's robots ... Nov 23 13:41:35 bleh Nov 23 13:41:41 ~lart windows Nov 23 13:41:41 * ibot slams windows against a large cement Tux Nov 23 13:41:52 heh Nov 23 13:41:57 ~botsnack Nov 23 13:41:57 aw, gee, reenoo_ Nov 23 14:04:02 Lo Nov 23 14:05:01 hi gerwinin Nov 23 14:05:04 I got a problem with libgcc_s.so.1 some packages cannot seem to find it Nov 23 14:05:38 Hi hrw how is everything in Poland going ? Nov 23 14:09:19 gerwinin: weather is acceptable Nov 23 14:09:42 hrw|gone: here it is cold :) Nov 23 14:09:43 gerwinin: quite cold but its end of November so its normal Nov 23 14:09:59 I'm used to cold weather anyway Nov 23 14:10:21 hrw : I had last week a bottle of schlidovitsch isn't that from Poland Nov 23 14:11:07 Ciao all Nov 23 14:11:08 gerwinin: I'm not familiar with alcohols Nov 23 14:11:13 morning Pigi Nov 23 14:11:20 'morning hrw Nov 23 14:12:30 who's maintaining opie-bluepin this days ? Nov 23 14:13:21 probably noone Nov 23 14:13:40 I dunno if it is a problem with the oe bb file or with himself, but with the recent build it is not working Nov 23 14:13:58 by stracing it I get: open("../plugins/application/libbluepin.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Nov 23 14:14:11 ah... Nov 23 14:14:23 but the build complete with no errors. Nov 23 14:14:39 ok. I probably know where is a but Nov 23 14:14:40 bug Nov 23 14:15:12 good. Do you wan't me to file a bug somewhere ? Nov 23 14:16:00 w8 a moment.. Nov 23 14:16:21 Pigi: are you able to build it? Nov 23 14:16:26 sure Nov 23 14:17:08 Pigi: vi oe/package/opie-bluepin/opie-bluepin.inc and add one line: APPTYPE = "binary" then rebuild Nov 23 14:18:50 * Pigi building Nov 23 14:22:53 well, the build complete, and now I have a binary, but this doesn't meen it works :) Nov 23 14:23:00 root@h3900:~# /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/bluepin Nov 23 14:23:00 Doing slow search for /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/bluepin OKButton Nov 23 14:23:00 Doing slow search for /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/bluepin CloseButton Nov 23 14:23:00 Doing slow search for /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/bluepin HelpButton Nov 23 14:23:00 Doing slow search for /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/bluepin OKButton Nov 23 14:23:01 Doing slow search for /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/bluepin CloseButton Nov 23 14:23:05 Doing slow search for /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/bluepin HelpButton Nov 23 14:23:07 ERR Nov 23 14:23:33 ah. Nov 23 14:28:33 what does "doing slow search" means exactly ? Nov 23 14:29:01 dont know Nov 23 14:29:09 Pigi: another attempt.. Nov 23 14:29:24 tell me and I'll try :) Nov 23 14:29:34 bitbake -cclean opie-bluepin, bitbake -cpatch opie-bluepin Nov 23 14:30:05 then vi tmp/work/opie-bluepin*/blue-pin/blue-pin.pro and add "quick-app" into CONFIG line Nov 23 14:30:08 then build Nov 23 14:31:28 hmm.. looks like I need to reflash my Z.. Nov 23 14:32:00 * Pigi installing Nov 23 14:32:35 hrw, same as before. Nov 23 14:33:03 hm. so I have to pester one guy to get patches from him Nov 23 14:33:28 who's that fortune man ? Nov 23 14:35:26 ~lart bluez 2.21 for pairing Nov 23 14:35:26 * ibot raises middle finger to bluez 2.21 for pairing Nov 23 14:35:41 heh Nov 23 14:35:44 ~lart nokia too Nov 23 14:35:44 * ibot moos at nokia too Nov 23 14:36:54 I have two bt devices by nokia... nokia 6310i phone and socket bt CF card (based on nokia chipset) Nov 23 14:37:02 both suxx when it comes to BT Nov 23 14:38:40 I was just thinking to upgrade bluez stuff from 2.18 to 2.22. Is it better to stay where I am then ? ( heh ) Nov 23 14:39:41 * hrw dont know Nov 23 14:40:06 * Pigi will take the risk, tomorrow Nov 23 14:41:39 hrw, if you're interested, I have a .bb file for bluesnarfer and ghettotooth that work Nov 23 14:41:48 was playing with ghettotooth today downtown.. Nov 23 14:41:52 lots of fun :) Nov 23 14:42:07 What is the package symlinks doing ? Nov 23 14:42:12 TyggerBob: why not submitted into bugtracker? Nov 23 14:42:35 just tidying up the .bb's with version numbers, maintainer info etc.. then Florian's going to post them for me Nov 23 14:42:47 only got them working yesterday Nov 23 14:42:52 aha Nov 23 14:43:23 I have .bb's for about 10 or so tools that I use for VA/Pentest work so far Nov 23 14:43:39 * hrw want pda with any wireless builtin... Nov 23 14:44:39 * TyggerBob was using kismet with his h5455 with a dual sleeve & 2 hostap cards.. Nov 23 14:44:55 picked up 1450 aps on my way home from downtown this aft Nov 23 14:45:26 TyggerBob, submit them in bugzilla, so others could play with them. When Florian would have pushed them upstrem, then all the other could get it trough monotone Nov 23 14:45:55 heh.. wifi... I have to reflash my AP and/or tweak it more Nov 23 14:46:06 I want atleast 300K/s via wifi Nov 23 14:46:24 pigi.. I will Nov 23 14:46:35 thx Nov 23 14:47:01 they're intended to be part of my sectest-gpe-image meta package Nov 23 14:47:25 I'm back to maintaining it again.. Nov 23 14:47:33 Pigi: submit bug in opie bt Nov 23 14:47:46 hopefully will make a fully functional sectesting image loaded with tools Nov 23 14:47:48 hrw, ok. Nov 23 14:48:04 TyggerBob, that's a really good idea. Nov 23 14:48:23 ( I was thinking almost the same for opie ) Nov 23 14:48:25 * TyggerBob has the Metasploit framework working on his iPAQ right now.. Nov 23 14:48:34 heh Nov 23 14:49:02 exploited a w2k server over the wireless link.. Nov 23 14:49:16 sent a screencap to HD Moore who wrote MSF.. Nov 23 14:49:38 familiar's going to get some press from Metasploit.. Nov 23 14:50:13 all the tools I've working on are console based right now, so they'll work either way, GPE or Opie Nov 23 14:50:48 at least when console would be back working on opie ;) Nov 23 14:50:57 funny thing is, there are more GUI tools for Opie right now (Zethereal, Q kismet, qnmap.. ) Nov 23 14:51:05 eek.. Nov 23 14:51:13 Q kismet ? Nov 23 14:51:25 it's a qpe frontend for kismet Nov 23 14:51:38 never heard of it. Nov 23 14:51:41 I can't remember exactly what it's called.. Nov 23 14:52:08 there used to be an kismet-qt or similar, but it compile only on gcc 2.95 Nov 23 14:52:10 kismet-qt, I think Nov 23 14:52:12 Ahhh.. Nov 23 14:52:19 that's probably it Nov 23 14:52:37 I started a port but c++ is far from my knoledge :( Nov 23 14:54:17 wife's home with groceries.. Nov 23 14:54:18 later all Nov 23 14:54:23 bye Nov 23 15:03:22 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r6cd20908... 10/: libgpevtype: Add missing dependency to libeventdb. Nov 23 15:09:53 cu Nov 23 15:32:27 nite all Nov 23 15:51:13 * france is back (gone 19:43:05) Nov 23 16:11:12 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rf14774da... 10/: Nov 23 16:11:12 upslug2: release 11 Nov 23 16:11:12 - also remove old releases 3,4,5 - no longer useful Nov 23 16:18:41 :( knuggles he forgot his cf-ide adapter Nov 23 17:04:04 * france is away: Away Nov 23 17:47:50 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r6ab2f457... 10/: Nov 23 17:47:50 cyrus-imapd: fix 2.2.12 Nov 23 17:47:50 - not all versions of install create intermediate directories on a Nov 23 17:47:50 - regular install, the Debian one doesn't so install -d is required Nov 23 17:47:50 - to create the directory Nov 23 17:52:33 Can I write ext2.tar.gz files with dd to a cf-card ? Nov 23 18:10:30 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r903d95ab... 10/: libgpevtype: Add new release 0.14. Nov 23 19:01:12 * Geo_KM is away: Away at the moment Nov 23 22:27:39 hi all Nov 23 22:29:38 koen , dominion.kabel.utwente.nl site seems to be down . do you know where i can retrieve gpe-theme-clearlooks ? Nov 23 22:30:57 from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/gpe-theme-clearlooks_0.3-r0_arm.ipk Nov 23 22:31:24 the ipkg only contains text files and pixmaps, so it should be installable on any machine Nov 23 22:32:00 koen, sorry i should say gpe-theme-clearlooks-0.3.tar.gz Nov 23 22:32:21 its to finish the build of my gpe image Nov 23 22:32:42 you can extract the ipk and rename data.tar.gz to gpe-theme-clearlooks-0.3.tar.gz iirc Nov 23 22:32:52 I do not know af any mirrors for that package Nov 23 22:32:55 koen, ok thanks ! Nov 23 22:43:45 hi,koen Nov 23 22:45:22 koen : would you tell me where are there the VM for spitz SL-C3000? thankS Nov 24 00:57:29 hey Nov 24 01:02:33 hi ,zecke Nov 24 01:03:15 zecke, would you tell me where are there the VM about spitz SL-C3000.?. thankS.. Nov 24 01:11:40 diesert: VM? Nov 24 01:12:00 jvm prob Nov 24 01:18:54 Do anybody know why bitbake can create a cramfs image with Linux device files where it is ran by a normal user? Nov 24 01:19:48 The files inside tmp/rootfs/dev is just some plain text files as it is created by a normal user. Nov 24 01:21:02 However, the image file shows a series of Linux device files. I am quite confused about that. Nov 24 01:24:47 zecke: VM(virtual macine) Nov 24 01:25:55 diesert: isn't jeode installed by default on your spitz? Nov 24 01:25:58 zecke:in other words , I wanna take a simulator for my builtimagefile (spitz|SL-C3000) Nov 24 01:26:51 diesert: first create a model, modelling the spitz Nov 24 01:27:05 diesert: if it is accurate enough, write a simulator for it? Nov 24 01:27:14 sorry what answer do you expect? Nov 24 01:27:18 * zecke is confused Nov 24 01:28:46 zecke : thank you and needless to say sorry. you mean let me write a simulator? Nov 24 01:29:12 diesert: well there is qemu emulating the ARM instruction set Nov 24 01:29:44 diesert: but if you want an emulator for spitz. You would need to emulate every circuit on this device to be acurate (create a model) Nov 24 01:31:40 diesert: in other words I do not know of any Machine simulating the Spitz ;) Nov 24 01:31:56 diesert: I know the Spitz can host a Java Virtual machine (run it) Nov 24 01:31:56 zecke:I had known qemu ,it doesn't simulate spitz. Nov 24 01:32:23 zecke:JVM? Nov 24 01:32:46 zecke:how ? Nov 24 01:35:00 zecke: neither do I,I have a emulator (vm-virtera ) for collie. Nov 24 01:35:24 zecke:but it can support spitz's memory map Nov 24 01:36:58 zecke: the file format of imagefile between collie and spitz are same. Nov 24 01:37:28 zecke: sorry, I said that between C and S are not same. Nov 24 01:40:37 zecke:what about JVM for spitz? Nov 24 01:57:20 zecke:anyway , thanks for putting up with me. Nov 24 02:11:01 evening everybone Nov 24 02:16:00 does anyone have a working local.conf for an ipaq-3900? Nov 24 02:16:35 guillermo_: MACHINE="h3900" and go Nov 24 02:17:28 not so easy, it says I have no preffered kernel chosen, and the one it tries to compile always fail Nov 24 02:17:56 I'm trying now with handhelds-pxa-2.6 Nov 24 02:17:59 we'll see Nov 24 02:18:11 guillermo_: 2.6 is working on h3900? Nov 24 02:18:18 don't know Nov 24 02:18:23 isn't it? Nov 24 02:19:23 I'm compiling handhelds-pxa-2.6-2.6.12-hh3-r2 Nov 24 02:21:45 look into handhelds.org wiki Nov 24 02:22:39 guillermo_: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HandheldsDevices_2fh3900 Nov 24 02:22:47 "2.6 on "older" iPAQs such as this one is still a work in progress - for normal use, stick to 2.4 which nearly everything works in." Nov 24 02:24:13 you're right Nov 24 02:32:40 hi experts,please,Have anyone tell me where are emulator for sptiz (SL-C3000). Nov 24 02:33:48 hi , hrw Nov 24 02:34:05 hrw : would you know about it? Nov 24 02:34:57 diesert: you want emulator of whole machine? Nov 24 02:35:25 diesert: there is no such thing Nov 24 02:37:33 hrw:I had found a emulator (from www.virtera.com) vm-pda , it can simulator coille machine. Nov 24 02:38:28 hrw: but it is terrible that mine is spitz Nov 24 02:41:38 hrw:Are there any methods for test my builtimagefile.? Nov 24 02:42:06 hrw|work: can you check this? http://pastebin.com/436931 Nov 24 02:42:50 hrw|work: I think is trying to get org.openembedded.oz354fam083/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh39/defconfig-ipaq-h3900 Nov 24 02:43:07 but the actual file is : org.openembedded.oz354fam083/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh39/defconfig-h3900 Nov 24 02:43:32 guillermo_: MACHINE="h3900" NOT "ipaq-h3900" Nov 24 02:43:44 hrw|work: sorry Nov 24 02:44:32 diesert: test for? Nov 24 02:45:54 hrw:for example .. (zImage-2.6.14+2.6.15-rc2-spitz-20051122045423.bin and opie-image-spitz-20051122035050.rootfs.tar.gz) Nov 24 02:46:47 hrw: just is image file spawned by bitbake-task Nov 24 02:52:33 diesert: do a backup and try it on spitz Nov 24 02:56:20 hrw: what I afraid that I shall not able to recover it once I would try it on my spitz Nov 24 02:57:20 diesert: zaurus >collie cannot be bricked **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 24 02:59:57 2005