**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 26 02:59:57 2005 Nov 26 04:24:20 uv1: how far is your x86 OE build? Nov 26 06:39:35 the last (071) version of udev work ??? Nov 26 06:39:53 .. on arm ... ipaq exactly Nov 26 06:40:26 dunno about on the iPaq, but I know it works on armeb ;) Nov 26 06:42:28 i have problem 'Warning: unable to open an initial console.' ... i'm about 90% sure kernel is Ok ... so i suppose can be something in user space .. probablu udev don't create /dev/console ;( Nov 26 06:42:47 quite possibly Nov 26 06:43:07 IIRC, null and console needs to exist before udev is started Nov 26 06:43:58 /build/rootfs/dev is empty ... can be a problem ? Nov 26 06:44:40 I'd guess Nov 26 06:44:50 try making dev/null and dev/console ;) Nov 26 06:45:59 which package should populare rootfs before compact them ? Nov 26 06:46:01 *populate Nov 26 06:46:39 gremlin[it]: udev 071 works here on the zaurii Nov 26 06:47:17 It sounds like the inital device nodes are missing, as has been mentioned... Nov 26 06:47:46 so maybe can be the lack ot /dev/null and /dev/console ;( Nov 26 06:51:21 i suppose someone create them in /build/tmp/rootfs/dev and after the jffs2 images is packed .. right ? Nov 26 06:57:29 mhhh if i try by hand 'mknod console c 5 1' i got Nov 26 06:57:33 mknod: `console': Operation not permitted Nov 26 06:57:33 :( ... Nov 26 06:58:03 sorry i'm dumb ... i have so 'su -' before ;) Nov 26 07:00:12 Hi all Nov 26 07:01:09 ntp_4.2.0 does not have gcc4.patch in bb file. Can anyone put that in ? Nov 26 07:08:34 grrrrrrrrrr every time i run a bootstrap-image script if wipe out all rootfs ... :( ... Nov 26 07:22:14 looking in the scripts that do bootstrap-image seem 'makedevs' isn't called :( :( Nov 26 07:25:01 uv1: I can add that... Nov 26 07:27:35 RP: Another item is grub. No gcc4 patch available for 0.93. Found the Suse 10 sources work so far (0.96). Can you check that as well ? Nov 26 07:29:17 uv1: Do you mean that version 0.96 works unpatched? Nov 26 07:33:38 RP: No, but gcc4 patch is included (several other patches as well ;-() Nov 26 07:38:36 uv1: You probably need to enter a bug report with the appropriate files in Nov 26 07:44:19 RP: Will do that on Monday (as the grub_0.96-6.bb is on the PC in the company). Nov 26 07:48:17 moot now go forward but seem there is still some problem ... Nov 26 07:48:36 boot now go forward but seem there is still some problem ... Nov 26 07:48:36 mount: Mounting tmpfs on /dev failed: Invalid argument Nov 26 07:48:36 udev requires tmpfs support, not started. Nov 26 07:48:40 Exited: couldn't open random device Nov 26 07:49:02 gremlin[it]: Your kernel needs tmpfs support Nov 26 07:50:10 i'm looking ... Nov 26 07:50:56 it was missing ... Nov 26 07:51:22 anyway for some reasons oe make /dev completelly empty :( ... Nov 26 07:52:04 mhhh oe can build a functional image for h3900 with kernel 2.6 ? Nov 26 07:58:21 gremlin[it]: I'd suspect your machine isn't set up properly in some way Nov 26 07:59:10 RP i know ... :) Nov 26 07:59:27 i'm setting up kernel 2.6 for h3600 :) Nov 26 07:59:58 but a couple of week ago all worked so i think something is changed on oe :( ... Nov 26 08:00:09 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rb8fda1d7... 10/: ntp 4.2.0: Add gcc4 patch to SRC_URI Nov 26 08:00:19 #was changed Nov 26 08:08:47 just to know where to look ... how are builded the run.do_XXXX scripts in /tmp/work//temp ? Nov 26 08:10:01 GOT IT !!! Nov 26 08:10:01 root@h3600:~# uname -a Nov 26 08:10:01 Linux h3600 2.6.13-hh1 #6 Sat Nov 26 15:53:04 CET 2005 armv4l unknown Nov 26 08:14:53 qpdf2_2.2.1-r1 does not build. Seems to be a gcc4 problem. Any ideas ? Nov 26 08:14:57 Here the error Nov 26 08:15:15 xpdf/TextOutputDev.cc:3597: error: prototype for 'void TextPage::assignColumns(TextLineFrag*, int, GBool)' does not match any in class 'TextPage' Nov 26 08:15:15 | xpdf/TextOutputDev.h:439: error: candidate is: void TextPage::assignColumns(int*, int, int) Nov 26 08:17:03 seem a mismatching definition ... Nov 26 08:37:41 uv1: Google normally let syou find gcc4 fixes for applications Nov 26 11:01:19 RP: why are you and jbowler playing patch pingpong? Nov 26 11:01:31 RP: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/23/2306.html http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/23/2335.html ? Nov 26 11:23:11 koen: Ah :-/, I thought someone had missed adding the patch. Nov 26 11:23:26 koen: Someone was complaining about a gcc4 compile failure... Nov 26 11:23:41 I thought something like that happened Nov 26 11:43:22 koen: I'll update the patch to solve jbowler's problem Nov 26 11:48:41 mickey|cold: welcome back Nov 26 11:48:43 good evening Nov 26 11:48:53 thanks Nov 26 11:49:01 mickey|cold: Had a good time? Nov 26 11:49:31 mickey|cold: hey Nov 26 11:49:42 RP: not really :/ My cold started when we flew over to Barcelona. Our flight got cancelled so we were rerouted as well and I sat the whole day on cold and windy airports *sigh* Nov 26 11:50:00 ended up travelling 11 hours instead of 2 Nov 26 11:50:10 * zecke_ burns some Windows Mobile gadgets to heat mickey up Nov 26 11:50:23 the day after sitting in a monastry without heaters when my friend married Nov 26 11:50:31 thanks zecke :)) Nov 26 11:51:05 mickey|cold: Not good :-/. Hope it clears up soon... Nov 26 11:53:13 how's 3.5.4 progressing, btw:? Nov 26 11:53:22 I lost track a bit... Nov 26 11:54:46 hey mickey|cold Nov 26 11:55:01 hi koen Nov 26 11:55:15 ~praise kergoth for DNS magic Nov 26 11:55:17 All hail kergoth for DNS magic! Nov 26 11:55:20 I've not been watching it too much to be honest. You want to try a latest kernel on spitz though - has a neat feature or two you'll like ;-) Nov 26 11:55:51 sounds good. I wish I could've taken one with me but my wife has a "no-gadgets-on-vacation" policy which I have to obey... Nov 26 11:55:57 hrw pushed some updates last week Nov 26 11:56:33 ok, cool. are there any showstoppers? Nov 26 11:56:55 some small missing gpe bits, but bootstrap is pretty ok Nov 26 11:57:37 mickey|cold: Once 3.5.4 ships, I'll look at building some 2.6 images for the cxx00 as 3.5.4+a bit rc release (from the .dev branch) Nov 26 11:59:36 RP: excellent. Nov 26 12:01:54 mickey|cold: still planning on making 3.5.4 the last OZ release? Nov 26 12:02:29 koen: If it was me, yes. I really love to have the common ABI sooner than later. Nov 26 12:02:34 s/me/just me/ Nov 26 12:02:40 how 'bout you? Nov 26 12:02:57 (not counting a 3.5.4.1 for cxx00) Nov 26 12:02:57 hey hrw Nov 26 12:02:57 hi Nov 26 12:03:01 mickey|cold: same here Nov 26 12:03:02 cheers marcin Nov 26 12:03:06 koen: cool Nov 26 12:03:20 mickey|cold: get good soon Nov 26 12:03:24 thanks Nov 26 12:03:46 did you guys read my mail about oz mirrors on oz-devel? Nov 26 12:04:06 * koen is thinking about proposing a talk about OE and emdebian for the debconf Nov 26 12:04:23 hrw: I just did Nov 26 12:04:55 Pendalar said that he use unison for mirroring Nov 26 12:05:01 hrw: I can give you and mickeyl a ssh account (rsync) Nov 26 12:05:18 doesn't unison use ocaml? Nov 26 12:05:49 * hrw dont know Nov 26 12:06:20 * mickey|cold neither Nov 26 12:06:40 ocaml is one of things in debian which show me what I dont like in debian Nov 26 12:07:21 fynky programming languages which virtaully nobody uses aren't really supported in debian Nov 26 12:08:04 koen: ocaml is in Debian. but needs also tcl/tk Nov 26 12:08:28 I wanted to build monotone-viz but tcl/tk is too much for me.. Nov 26 12:10:34 ok. current oe kernel for Z built Nov 26 12:13:48 ~lart udev in Debian Nov 26 12:13:48 * ibot beats the living hamstercrap out of udev in Debian Nov 26 12:14:21 where is my /dev/sdd1? Nov 26 12:15:30 eaten... Nov 26 12:15:43 not even created Nov 26 12:15:47 heh Nov 26 12:16:14 hi mickey Nov 26 12:16:24 hey phil. how are things in the uk? Nov 26 12:16:33 cold here also. Nov 26 12:16:42 it snowed yesterday, for the first time this year Nov 26 12:17:33 yeah, same here. nothing to complain though considering the relative length of this years summer Nov 26 12:18:18 Did you guys plan anything for FOSDEM yet? Nov 26 12:18:41 not me. I haven't thought about fosdem at all. Nov 26 12:19:04 which month is it in, again? I can never remember if it's january or february. Nov 26 12:19:14 february Nov 26 12:19:31 very good Nov 26 12:19:31 last weekend Nov 26 12:19:44 FOSDEM! Nov 26 12:20:01 ah yes, so I see Nov 26 12:20:09 philippe promised to buy me a beer if I gave a talk about OE Nov 26 12:20:14 hehe Nov 26 12:20:32 cool, then I don't need to do it Nov 26 12:20:34 :) Nov 26 12:20:43 heh Nov 26 12:21:20 more time for Leffe Bruin Nov 26 12:23:16 koen: I will get you a Siemens Concept device if you talk about Mono ;) Nov 26 12:23:35 that'd be a _very_ short talk heh Nov 26 12:24:08 mickey|cold : without DVB broadcast equipment he would not have fun anyway ;) Nov 26 12:24:19 zecke: would you have motivation/time to do a 2h Opie session @ fosdem? I noticed you didn't respond to my query :) Nov 26 12:24:28 "Anyway damn-it give me the money" Nov 26 12:24:47 mickey|cold: sure Nov 26 12:25:06 cool Nov 26 12:25:06 mickey|cold: let me check some dates though (Seminar+Block-Kurs) Nov 26 12:25:10 yep Nov 26 12:27:24 mickey|cold: well looks like I will have the time (the other courses are past february) Nov 26 12:27:40 mickey|cold: don't we want to mention Qtopia as well? Nov 26 12:27:53 Qtopia... Qtopia... What was that again? Nov 26 12:28:09 mickey|cold: dunno, the thing with the momentum behind ;) Nov 26 12:28:21 hehehe. that one was nasty Nov 26 12:28:49 mickey|cold: well I wanted to mention .NET and Windows Forms but will stop now Nov 26 12:28:57 sure. we can mention qtopia. "Some guys have plans to make Opie applications only based on Qtopia4." Nov 26 12:29:38 s/guys/guy/ Nov 26 12:29:45 and that's about all I can tell. Nov 26 12:29:55 ~hail RP for leds Nov 26 12:29:57 * ibot bows down to RP for leds and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Nov 26 12:30:00 leds... leds? Nov 26 12:30:04 LEDS! Nov 26 12:30:27 mickey|cold: check rev 3517427e3aa41f96ae630b1ca1429ed801a60ef0 in .dev Nov 26 12:30:46 finally I can use the Zaurus as a blinking light display ;) Nov 26 12:30:58 wow cool. blinkenlights Nov 26 12:31:24 who needs screen when we could show morse code on leds Nov 26 12:31:53 heh Nov 26 12:32:14 seriously, I miss a LED on the 770 Nov 26 12:32:22 at least one to indicate if it's still charging or not Nov 26 12:32:23 btw - do we have dependencies generator for 2.6 modules? Nov 26 12:32:34 mickey|cold: I dont miss that led ;) Nov 26 12:32:45 hrw: we should have Nov 26 12:32:52 mickey|cold: what to do with our spitz :( Nov 26 12:32:55 there was some talk about that a year ago iirc Nov 26 12:33:01 zecke: you mean tosa? Nov 26 12:33:08 mickey|cold: damn it ;) Nov 26 12:33:14 mickey|cold: Sl 6000 whatever that is Nov 26 12:33:35 zecke: Tosa. What's with Chicken? Time/Motivatio? Nov 26 12:33:36 * zecke_ prefers cats over dogs Nov 26 12:33:58 is that kdrive patch in yet for tosa? Nov 26 12:34:56 ~curse Sharp for not releasing production kernels Nov 26 12:34:57 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Sharp for not releasing production kernels ! Nov 26 12:35:11 mickey|cold: it could that they work around it in qt/e Nov 26 12:35:45 koen: possible. they did it in the past as well though with the c7x0 kernels without Butotn on/off support. Nov 26 12:35:47 Button, even Nov 26 12:35:49 and more... Nov 26 12:36:36 do13: ping Nov 26 12:36:50 but GPL is about freedom! Nov 26 12:36:54 and qt/e is GPL Nov 26 12:36:58 yadda Nov 26 12:37:01 nand-disk LED is nice... Nov 26 12:37:02 blabla Nov 26 12:37:12 Nov 26 12:37:14 qt/e != qt/e. Nov 26 12:37:19 that's the main problem. Nov 26 12:37:50 Did anyone of us contact the OLPC people yet? Nov 26 12:37:51 mickey|cold: OT: did we report the 'sync()' call in QtE to TT? Nov 26 12:38:04 zecke: we did. Nov 26 12:38:15 no idea if we were taken serious though Nov 26 12:38:17 like always Nov 26 12:38:17 heh Nov 26 12:38:18 mickey|cold: it was commented out in rsync Qt2.3.11 Nov 26 12:38:24 ah :D Nov 26 12:38:50 do you still monitor it? any interesting things since .10 ?` Nov 26 12:38:51 mickey|cold: well any QtE issue should be reporte to paul anyway Nov 26 12:39:09 mickey|cold: well I have diffed Qt2.3.10 with rsync Qt2.3.11 Nov 26 12:39:31 mickey|cold: the ChangeLog mentioned Transparency support but I did not find a single changed line for that ;) Nov 26 12:39:45 mickey|cold: Qt2.3.10 had some speed improvement and some robustnes changes (with broken fonts) Nov 26 12:39:52 iirc ljp was saying that they even have 2.3.12.. Nov 26 12:40:21 hrw: ah right I was diffing Qt2.3.11 against rsync 2.3.12 ;) Nov 26 12:40:26 mickey|cold: http://qt-directfb.sourceforge.net/ Nov 26 12:41:10 ya, i know that since long. i never could understand why the directfb folks refused to add rotation support Nov 26 12:41:25 that pretty much killed my interest for it Nov 26 12:41:40 who needs rotation on fb... Nov 26 12:42:23 mickey|cold: well did you talk with dok? Nov 26 12:42:30 zecke_: yeah. it was nice. Nov 26 12:42:43 mickey|cold: ah you met him at fosdem? Nov 26 12:42:52 ah no, sorry Nov 26 12:42:53 dok != do13 Nov 26 12:43:15 never met him in person. talked via ml Nov 26 12:43:17 mickey|cold: well stevieh was CTO of convergence and they created directFB Nov 26 12:43:20 zecke_: are qt/e vs qt/x11 benchmarks still nonexistant? Nov 26 12:43:51 koen: what do you want to benchmark anyway? Arthur? drawing speed? Nov 26 12:43:59 koen: but I'm not aware of any tests ;) Nov 26 12:44:17 koen: isn't it obvious that QtE is faster than QtX11? Nov 26 12:44:33 it uses the ueber accelerated FB directly ;) Nov 26 12:44:43 but it can't be fast Nov 26 12:44:47 it doesn't use mono Nov 26 12:45:08 koen: anyway I think QtE is not too bad. It is useful for some purposes Nov 26 12:45:41 koen: and there are lot of ported apps (made fit on the small screen) Nov 26 12:47:24 mickey|cold: how do we proceed with the Opie session? Nov 26 12:47:34 yes, 'the' small screen Nov 26 12:47:57 zecke: at first we need to wait until we know if an Embedded Developers Room will exist. If, then we need to contact the "maintainer" and request a session. Nov 26 12:47:58 zecke_: try contacting philippe, he should be in charge of the embedded room Nov 26 12:48:03 If we have one, we can think about what we want to do Nov 26 12:48:24 * zecke_ missed the beginning of the turm springen Nov 26 12:48:26 I would suggest a 30min presentation, then a Q/A session Nov 26 12:48:43 perhaps 45 min Nov 26 12:48:44 *shrug* Nov 26 12:48:46 mickey|cold: whom do we target? Nov 26 12:49:01 mickey|cold: developers, users, companies deploying Opie, companies using Opie for research Nov 26 12:49:25 zecke: all 4, with 10 minutes scheduled in the presentation for each interest group Nov 26 12:49:36 it can be nothing more than just an introduction and overview anyway Nov 26 12:49:44 mickey|cold: I have finally watched "Per Anhalter durch die Galaxis" (Hitchickers Guide for..." Nov 26 12:49:53 the bbc series or the new thing? Nov 26 12:49:55 mickey|cold: I think the robot perfectly matches me ;) Nov 26 12:49:59 mickey|cold: the new thing Nov 26 12:50:00 hehe Nov 26 12:50:12 marvin rocks. he rocks even more in the old bbc series though Nov 26 12:50:30 trillian is much more cute in the bbc series as well Nov 26 12:50:32 and she's blonde :D Nov 26 12:50:40 * mickey|cold hides Nov 26 12:50:59 mickey|cold: well you do not happen to have the bbc series recorded? Nov 26 12:51:16 hmm.. I have to watch bbc series someday.. Nov 26 12:51:27 zecke: unfortunately not. i may buy it eventually Nov 26 12:51:30 HHGTG movie was nice indeed Nov 26 12:51:35 trailer was nice Nov 26 12:51:36 it's getting released on a dvd Nov 26 12:51:44 cu all Nov 26 12:51:48 cu hrw Nov 26 12:51:49 hrw: cya Nov 26 12:52:05 mickey|cold: well looking at the old and new design of marvin Nov 26 12:52:16 mickey|cold: I prefer the one from the current movie ;) Nov 26 12:52:27 yah well it's not 80s Nov 26 12:53:10 OT: latex experts in da house? Nov 26 12:53:35 mickey|cold: Knuth was in Europe lately Nov 26 12:54:01 too bad - missed him Nov 26 12:55:01 I just bought the Latex Companion 2nd edition. Great stuff. I guess I will join DANTE e.v. next year Nov 26 12:55:15 anyway, guess i need to rest a bit. c'ya folks Nov 26 12:55:22 mickey|cold: get well! Nov 26 12:55:25 thanks Nov 26 12:55:32 mickey|tv: and visit the 22c3 ;) Nov 26 12:58:33 * zecke_ gets back to the math assignment Nov 26 13:07:22 zecke_: enjoy Nov 26 13:29:08 pb_: what should I do otherwise? Nov 26 13:29:54 zecke: suffer, I suppose Nov 26 13:30:16 I wouldn't recommend that as a course of action though Nov 26 13:31:38 pb_: I have maple and octave for assistance Nov 26 13:32:07 sadly maple is not able to solve 'textual assignments' Nov 26 13:32:38 that is a grave deficiency, but unfortunately also a long-standing one Nov 26 13:33:16 pb_: what good is AI (artificial intelli...) when they can't make maple to solve such easy stuff.. Nov 26 13:34:34 sorry Nov 26 13:34:41 crumbs, bit of a clash of the zeckes there Nov 26 13:39:16 haha Nov 26 13:39:33 i should start closing screens... Nov 26 13:40:22 http://www.dvb-h-online.org/ <- woot MiTV on the front site Nov 26 14:00:41 celebrity death match night on MTV italy :) :) :) Nov 26 14:01:01 hm we will have jack ass the movie Nov 26 14:01:44 and actual "Das grosse tv total Turmspringen 2005" Nov 26 14:05:12 pb_: cambridge is covered by DVB-H as well ;) Nov 26 14:05:18 pb_: did you try dvbzap yet? Nov 26 14:17:43 zecke: oh, really? no, I don't even know what dvbzap is. Nov 26 14:18:13 pb_: do you have DVB-T equipment at all? Nov 26 14:18:14 which reminds me, actually, my dvb-t machine is in some bad state of disrepair. I should make it my mission to fix that tomorrow. Nov 26 14:18:32 zecke: yeah, I have some dvb-t cards in my mythtv box Nov 26 14:18:54 can you receive dvb-h with regular dvb-t equipment? Nov 26 14:19:09 pb I think no Nov 26 14:19:31 is DVB-T used also in US ... good to know ;) Nov 26 14:20:01 gremlin dvb-t vs dvb-h Nov 26 14:20:02 pb_: sure. DVB-H is mostly IP in a MPEG2 container broadcasted via DVB-T equipment Nov 26 14:20:23 DVB-H is HD-tv on DVB ? Nov 26 14:20:24 zecke hm Nov 26 14:20:40 pb_: while there are two new broadcasting options to reduce power consumption for the terminals Nov 26 14:20:52 gremlin dvb-h is tv for cellphones Nov 26 14:20:55 gremlin[it]: I don' think the US does dvb-t, though they do have dvb-s (and maybe dvb-c) Nov 26 14:21:00 pb_: when scanning (dvbzap is a good tool for that) you should see M$ test services Nov 26 14:21:10 zecke: ah right, cool. I'll try that soonest. Nov 26 14:21:30 pb_: if you do please tell me, Next step would be to get dvbnet working for you ;) Nov 26 14:21:42 pb_: and then you could pcap the stream on dvb0 for me ;) Nov 26 14:25:30 * koen discovers another bugzilla feature: http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=350 Nov 26 14:33:21 heh Nov 26 14:33:26 righto. where do I get dvbzap? Nov 26 14:33:44 * pb_ helpless when things are not in debian Nov 26 14:34:12 http://dvbtv.sourceforge.net/ Nov 26 14:35:14 "There are no file packages defined for this project." Nov 26 14:35:16 :-( Nov 26 14:36:48 hmm maybe I'm mistaken the command Nov 26 14:36:50 woglinde: ? Nov 26 14:37:18 zecke hm, ist something with zap Nov 26 14:37:24 pzap szap Nov 26 14:37:36 there are serval Nov 26 14:38:02 I think szap is just for dvb-s. Nov 26 14:38:10 tzap is the dvb-t tuning command, but I don't think it can scan. Nov 26 14:38:43 pb on the dbox2 project we have pzap for s and c Nov 26 14:39:04 pb_: now I'm confused, will be back after my math assignment is done Nov 26 14:42:49 okay. I'll stand by for further instructions. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 26 23:01:50 2005 Nov 27 00:10:38 Godd Morning Nov 27 00:10:50 s/Godd/Good/ ;-) Nov 27 02:45:16 Good morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 02:59:57 2005