**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 02:59:57 2005 Nov 27 03:53:11 morning all Nov 27 03:53:32 morning RP Nov 27 04:26:37 morning RP, pb_ Nov 27 04:26:48 hail mickeyl Nov 27 04:33:24 pb_: do you know offhand how far it is from Basildon to Cambridge ? Nov 27 04:35:22 not too far, maybe 60km or so. Nov 27 04:35:47 ah cool. Nov 27 04:36:32 i'm planning to visit the UK end of next year and these are two of the towns which are very important for me to stop by Nov 27 04:37:30 aha. what's in Basildon? Nov 27 04:38:01 Basildon is the home town of the band which influenced me the most.... Depeche Mode Nov 27 04:38:26 heh, cool Nov 27 04:41:10 <_law_> can anyone say me why this happens? http://pastebin.com/439561 Nov 27 04:42:17 oh dear, autoconf Nov 27 04:43:45 looks like configure.in needs to be updated Nov 27 04:45:18 mickeyl: If you get to Cambridge, I could be tempted to come and meet you - its about 370km from here though :) Nov 27 04:45:41 <_law_> ok thanks i?ll look at it. dont know much about autoconf :-( Nov 27 04:46:09 RP: that'd be cool. Maybe London is nearer to you? This is on my list of stops as well. Nov 27 04:46:40 mickeyl: London is further away again. I live in the cold grim north ;-) Nov 27 04:46:45 d'oh ) Nov 27 04:46:46 :) Nov 27 04:48:28 * mickeyl looks at a map Nov 27 04:48:43 good plan Nov 27 04:49:01 mickeyl: I'm near Newcastle which is nearly Scotland rather than England Nov 27 04:49:45 mickeyl: I find myself in London now and again so if we're lucky, the times might even coincide... Nov 27 04:50:41 Hmm. Radeon 7000 + SMP + xserver-xorg 6.8.x = hard lockup :-/ Nov 27 04:51:37 RP: yeah, that would rock. Then again, Newcastle may be worth a visit as well. Are there any must-have-seen-sites in the near? Nov 27 04:55:58 mickeyl: It depends what kind of sites you mean. Newcastle has some distinctive buildings and lots of rather unique bridges in a very small area. It also has an interesting nightlife. It was a contender for the European City of Culture although they decided it was already doing too well to need the money. For me, the coastline around here is the must see part but it takes time + transport to see it. Nov 27 04:59:14 Coastline sounds good. I'll keep that in mind when I come back to more concrete planning. Nov 27 04:59:21 s/when/until/ Nov 27 05:00:07 Start at Tynemouth, head north. Can't go wrong :) Nov 27 05:00:35 hehe Nov 27 05:00:44 If you want anymore info, just ask as I know most places along this coast Nov 27 05:00:52 will do, thanks Nov 27 05:02:52 bbl, rebooting the windoze machine... Nov 27 05:52:17 morning Nov 27 06:17:33 Hello everybody, Nov 27 06:18:32 I tried to install the OE-Envirenment a view times now. Started, a year ago! Seems a hard job for a linux beginner! Here comes my question: Nov 27 06:19:24 Is there some distribution, like DamnSmallLinux, prepared with the OE stuff to have a quick start on it? Any suggestions? Nov 27 06:21:58 JuNuKN, not that I'm aware of.. Nov 27 06:22:15 Unlucky me .... Nov 27 06:22:21 however, I'm no programmer and was able to get things up and running pretty easily with the getting started guide. Nov 27 06:22:26 what problems are you having? Nov 27 06:23:44 Hi all Nov 27 06:24:25 Hi obergix[home] Nov 27 06:24:49 I'm afraid I'm asking something for nth time.... anyway, here I go : Nov 27 06:25:09 Am I the only one not able to reach www.oesf.org ? Nov 27 06:25:36 Main problem may be, that I am also a beginner with linux .... Started to use it since 1 Year now, for example with VDR and DBOX2 and so on. But no expiriences with installation stuff. One year ago I stopped on the stuff, needed a licence. Now I have to give it a second try!" Nov 27 06:26:49 maybe it would be good to get more familiar with linux using a bootable distro and then give it another shot when you're ready... Nov 27 06:26:57 So my main tought was, whether there is no live-cd for that, - which makes it more easyly for everybody! Nov 27 06:27:40 I still have Kanotix installed and started to try with that. Nov 27 06:27:45 I'm afraid that if you're not so familiar with linux it's no worth trying to develop for linux-based engines ;) Nov 27 06:28:08 the main thing with that would be the time/space it takes to generate the database/snapshots.. you'd need to have access to a hard drive for most of that, I'd think. Nov 27 06:31:11 and because of the simlinks, etc.. a FAT drive probably wouldn't work, I think. Nov 27 06:34:59 so... about www.oesf.org, someone ? Nov 27 06:35:35 what about it? Nov 27 06:35:52 heya pb_, didn't see you there.. Nov 27 06:36:14 morning TyggerBob Nov 27 06:37:31 OK ... seems to be understandable for me ,,,, the thing with the harddrive, which should be a linux drive! OK I ll try OE again this night! Tahnks so long. Nov 27 06:37:46 Familie is crying for me (again) Nov 27 06:42:07 :) Nov 27 06:49:52 pb_: Am I the only one not able to reach www.oesf.org ? Nov 27 06:50:31 obergix[home]: I couldn't say whether you are the only one. Nov 27 06:50:56 pb_: ok, and what about you ? can you access it ? ;) Nov 27 06:51:02 Yes, it works for me. Nov 27 06:51:18 pb_: thx, that's what I wanted to know... Nov 27 06:51:34 f*ck... it's the routers of my ISP then... :( Nov 27 06:52:59 * TyggerBob can too, fwiw Nov 27 06:53:51 Good afternoon Nov 27 06:56:46 thx guys Nov 27 07:23:19 hmm Nov 27 07:23:30 RP: i got a kernel too big error for 2.6.14-git3-r6. Which gcc are you using? Nov 27 07:25:28 mickeyl: Use 2.6.14+2.6.15-rc2 Nov 27 07:25:49 k Nov 27 07:26:09 mickeyl: I fixed a bug in the linux-openzaurus.inc file recently which probably means the -git3 deconfig needs tweaking Nov 27 07:30:16 a questions about ipaq's sleeves for h3600 and similar, all pcmcia/CF sleves have the same controller or exist different type ? Nov 27 07:32:56 which controller are you thinking of? Nov 27 07:33:45 most of the single-slot sleeves don't contain any significant active electronics. Nov 27 07:33:54 really don't know :) ... Nov 27 07:34:15 Have a look at h3600_generic_sleeve.c. It knows about all the different types. Nov 27 07:34:26 probably ipaq_generic_sleeve.c in 2.6 Nov 27 07:35:08 pb_ i figure out i cannot test nothing about ipaq h3600 sleeve cause i don't have one ... so i'm looking on ebay to take one ... but i don't know if are all the same ;( Nov 27 07:35:17 ah, I see Nov 27 07:35:33 yeah, practically speaking any of them should be ok for your purposes Nov 27 07:35:42 there are some differences, but nothing particularly significant. Nov 27 07:36:37 mainly i see 2, one with 2CF and small from HP, one seem teh original compaq with batteries and CF Nov 27 07:37:10 thenks pb_ Nov 27 07:37:13 thanks Nov 27 07:37:18 The original Compaq CF sleeve didn't have any batteries. The one with batteries is the "CF Plus". Nov 27 07:37:59 If you plan on actually using it, I would recommend either a compaq/hp cf sleeve, or the memplug/pitech dual cf. Nov 27 07:38:30 The ones with batteries, particularly the full-size pcmcia ones, tend to be large and heavy. Nov 27 07:39:03 * pb_ heading to the office now Nov 27 07:39:04 bbl Nov 27 07:39:19 yes the one with 2CF is the 'memeplug' from HP :) Nov 27 07:44:18 Quick Question. While building opie-image for x86, bitbake builds libxine-fb. Is that OK, or should libxine-x11 be build ? Nov 27 07:45:31 libxine-fb does not build with gcc4. After several applied patches, I have the asm error ... Nov 27 07:45:38 dsputil_mmx.c:633: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' Nov 27 07:45:48 Here I am lost. Can anyone help ? Nov 27 08:16:58 is monotone.vanille.de down ? Nov 27 08:17:17 it is Nov 27 08:17:30 you can use one of the backup servers Nov 27 08:18:28 koen: any reference ? I'm following http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusDevelopmentInformation... Nov 27 08:19:01 koen: ok, stupid me Nov 27 08:19:02 sorry Nov 27 08:19:18 they're mentioned a bit down the monotone commands ;) Nov 27 08:20:08 hmmm Nov 27 08:20:14 that page should be deleted Nov 27 08:20:25 it's a outdated copy of GettingStarted Nov 27 08:20:40 koen: too bad I added stuff to it then :( Nov 27 08:22:55 hi koen !!! Nov 27 08:23:03 hey gremlin[it] Nov 27 08:23:04 i have a question for u :) Nov 27 08:23:16 i'm looking at your h3800 patch ... Nov 27 08:23:25 that's not mine Nov 27 08:23:34 ohhh who did ? Nov 27 08:23:57 http://handhelds.org/hypermail/kernel-discuss/11/1111.html Nov 27 08:25:13 just cause i undersdtand a bit more how 'platform device' work looking at this patch but i have some doubt ... Nov 27 08:25:16 koen: wouldn't it be usefull to add a warning to the page directing to GettingStarted ? Nov 27 08:27:38 seem the patch was never accepted :( .... Nov 27 08:27:51 i would know why ... Nov 27 08:28:21 obergix[home]: it would Nov 27 08:29:50 koen: ok ;) Nov 27 08:32:27 hi zecke Nov 27 08:34:10 koen: done ;) Nov 27 08:36:50 hi Nov 27 08:37:09 hey zecke_ Nov 27 08:44:34 koen: mind if I replace the contents by an Include of gettingStarted ? Nov 27 08:46:49 if moin supports that, yes Nov 27 08:47:05 otherwise remove the duplicated poarts Nov 27 08:47:07 parts* Nov 27 08:47:26 koen: yes it supports it Nov 27 08:47:47 koen: looks like there's only additions in gettingstarted Nov 27 08:48:20 if they are general additions, they should be in GettingStarted Nov 27 08:48:30 as it's an OE wiki, not oz.org Nov 27 08:49:21 koen: right Nov 27 08:49:29 I'll do the include and explain Nov 27 08:55:02 done Nov 27 09:01:22 zecke: ? Nov 27 09:03:53 uv1: yes? Nov 27 09:04:33 zecke: I am quite far building x86 opie-image. Nov 27 09:05:02 But am lost with libxine asm error (think gcc4 problem). Nov 27 09:05:12 dsputil_mmx.c:633: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' Nov 27 09:05:28 Did several patches on libxine. Nov 27 09:05:47 But do not find a fix for above mentioned error Nov 27 09:05:58 hmm Nov 27 09:07:07 zecke: BTW : Do we have a method to add gcc4 patches, only if gcc4 is used (to avoid gcc3 problems) ? Nov 27 09:08:59 uv1: well I do not think that is needed. If there are gcc3 problems, there are problems ;) Nov 27 09:09:18 uv1: otherwise we have the OVERRIDES system but I need to finish my assignment now Nov 27 09:11:05 zecke: Good luck. Nov 27 09:32:15 hi Nov 27 09:33:46 hey hrw Nov 27 09:35:49 * obergix[home] has finally rtfm and understood that monotone pull should be issued before monotone update (too much CVS background here) Nov 27 09:36:01 what a releaf to see all the changes ;) Nov 27 09:38:47 looks like I have to recreate rootfs for my c760.. it gotten too fscked Nov 27 09:40:45 * pb_ returns! Nov 27 09:41:21 pb_: wb Nov 27 09:47:02 hi koen Nov 27 09:52:04 brb Nov 27 09:58:42 someone here live in UK ? Nov 27 10:04:30 yea Nov 27 10:05:07 i'm looking on ekay uk ... seem ipaq cost much less in uk :) Nov 27 10:06:19 *ebay uk Nov 27 10:06:45 heh Nov 27 10:06:49 I think ebay USA is even cheaper Nov 27 10:07:17 but few make over atlantic sell ;( Nov 27 10:10:35 seem in italy no one want to sell his things less than they pay :( Nov 27 10:19:12 is a moment of madness i was thinking to buy also an h3700 to have also the other sa1110 based ipaq and mantain it also :) ... Nov 27 10:30:55 heh Nov 27 10:47:15 what should I do in case the build can't proceed with downloading a tarball from the URL specified in the .bb but I can find a tarball on another place Nov 27 10:47:34 is there a place I can drop it so that bitbake won't try to download it ? Nov 27 10:48:51 put the and .md5 in DL_DIR Nov 27 11:03:18 koen: thx Nov 27 11:13:43 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * re85df476... 10/: Nov 27 11:13:43 mega oz254fam083 branch update: Nov 27 11:13:43 * add gpe-bluetooth 0.47, gpe-calendar 0.66, libeventdb 0.17, libmimedir 0.3.1 Nov 27 11:13:43 * update preferred-gpe-versions-2.7 to match the above Nov 27 11:13:43 * make h3900.conf use xscale optimizations Nov 27 11:13:44 * fix PV in libmimedir_cvs Nov 27 11:13:46 * downsize gpe-task-connectivity by removing gaim Nov 27 11:14:02 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r6c4abecb... 10/: base.bbclass: merge improvements from .dev Nov 27 11:14:07 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r715c4d5e... 10/: osb-nrcit 20040430: add patch to improve 'stop' behaviour from .dev Nov 27 11:14:13 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r418a8691... 10/: ntp 4.2.0: Correct the gcc4 patch Nov 27 11:40:03 FCF Nov 27 11:55:28 pb_: I got your forward Nov 27 11:57:16 pb_: I have yours and chickens work on my disk Nov 27 12:00:27 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf5846136... 10/: suspend-desktop: add suspend .desktop file from .dev Nov 27 12:02:53 zecke|assignment: ah, right, very good Nov 27 12:03:22 pb_: I will mail it to him Nov 27 12:03:26 thanks Nov 27 12:03:57 I'm not sure where my bootldr sources are, right now. I think they might be languishing on my old broken laptop. Nov 27 12:05:06 pb_: I thought I had them in my homedir at hh.org, I have then mirrored on my desktop though Nov 27 12:05:46 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r8f95151b... 10/: meta-gpe: add suspend-desktop to base images Nov 27 12:05:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2f11131c... 10/: meta-gpe: add suspend-desktop to base images Nov 27 13:27:11 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rb5879d9b... 10/: familiar 0.8.3: bump cvsdate Nov 27 13:27:15 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r92f1db26... 10/: libmimedir cvs + 0.3.1: improve packaging so library renaming kicks in Nov 27 13:44:08 hi Nov 27 15:38:32 ~seen justinp Nov 27 15:40:24 hey mickeyl Nov 27 15:40:28 hi Nov 27 15:41:04 anyone seen justin recently? i just cooked a new e-image from .dev and i can't get into any app, not even a terminal is available Nov 27 15:41:06 *sigh* Nov 27 15:41:31 Philippe: koen, a demo for Fosdem??? Well let them contact me and I'll see if they fit in. Nov 27 15:41:38 that's about the opie demo on fosdem Nov 27 15:41:57 ah. so he will manage the embedded room this year again? Nov 27 15:42:13 he promoted to maintainer this year Nov 27 15:43:48 cool. lets see if we can get the remaining opie folks together... Nov 27 15:58:58 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r6cc324a2... 10/: msn-cap: New package contributed by Bob Davies Nov 27 15:59:02 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r3287cc96... 10/: redfang: New package contributed by Bob Davies Nov 27 15:59:06 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r8c801e55... 10/: icmpquery: New package contributed by Bob Davies. Nov 27 15:59:11 03florian 07org.oe.dev * ra2426cc9... 10/: genlist: New package contributed by Bov Davies. Nov 27 15:59:16 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r72f87ee8... 10/: bluesnarfer: New package contributed by Bov Davies. Nov 27 15:59:21 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r30312cf7... 10/: dcetest: New package contributed by Bob Davies. Nov 27 15:59:29 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rfec9d21c... 10/: ghettooth: New package contributed by Bob Davies. Nov 27 15:59:33 heh Nov 27 16:07:38 my whole weekend just disappeared :/ Nov 27 16:07:38 hey mickeyl Nov 27 16:07:45 any chance you might go to that conference in berlin? Nov 27 16:11:36 hi mithro. no, unfortunately really no chance. I'm too much behind my schedule :/ Nov 27 16:11:53 how are things going along for you? Nov 27 16:12:56 okay Nov 27 16:13:06 i'm trying to figure out what i'm doing around xmas time Nov 27 16:17:38 what are the options? Nov 27 16:17:54 well i either head south Nov 27 16:17:58 bah Nov 27 16:18:25 well I can either head north and into finland then back south into eastern europe and accross to egypt Nov 27 16:18:48 or I can head south to berlin for the conference then head east to eastern europe and accross to egypt Nov 27 16:19:01 and then I need to figure out which group tour I want to go on Nov 27 16:19:29 I would have like to gone from Istanbul to Cairo, but it seems a bit dangerous in that part of the world atm Nov 27 16:21:42 Yeah, that's true. Well, CCC is _always_ worth a visit. Nov 27 16:22:18 CCC? Nov 27 16:22:24 Chaos Communication Congress Nov 27 16:22:35 aka 22c3 Nov 27 16:22:52 mickeyl: it seems the new monotone release will be much faster and produce smaller db's Nov 27 16:22:55 zecke: said he might be able to put me up meaning it would be pretty cheap If i can find a way to get down there cheaply Nov 27 16:23:12 koen: did they release it yet? Nov 27 16:23:16 mickeyl: no Nov 27 16:23:30 it will require a db rebuild.... Nov 27 16:23:34 koen: you checked a version yet? Nov 27 16:23:37 ah, i see Nov 27 16:24:15 when they release it I'll make updated snapshot db's to ease the pain Nov 27 16:24:23 mithro: yeah, zecke's pretty fascinated by this congress as well. It's definitly something special and if you can do it, I really recommend it Nov 27 16:24:23 but 3rd party devs won't like it Nov 27 16:24:58 why's that? Nov 27 16:25:31 rebuilding their branches *again* Nov 27 16:25:56 well. a rebuild takes an age, but if all subsequent operations are faster... Nov 27 16:26:03 indeed Nov 27 16:26:13 and they seem to have addressed all our problems Nov 27 16:26:18 except monotone copy Nov 27 16:26:57 sounds too good to be true Nov 27 16:27:26 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/monotone-devel/2005-11/msg00128.html Nov 27 16:27:58 hopefully it will include the cvsync branch Nov 27 16:28:11 that way we can use the hh.org oe module again Nov 27 16:29:40 pretty cool Nov 27 16:29:40 mickeyl: thanks for the info Nov 27 16:29:59 mithro: np. i wish i could come as well :/ Nov 27 16:30:20 it also collides with my birthday though Nov 27 16:30:23 (26th) Nov 27 16:31:25 * mickeyl would like to skip 12 months and find himself in 2006.11 Nov 27 16:33:13 * koen mumbles something about uni assigments Nov 27 16:33:58 seems to be a lot in German Nov 27 16:34:27 Deutch ist doch ja ganz einfach Nov 27 16:34:33 hehe Nov 27 16:34:35 Richtig Nov 27 16:35:13 time for some zzzzz Nov 27 16:35:17 'night all Nov 27 16:35:26 g'night koen Nov 27 16:35:37 http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/fahrplan/events.en.html reveals a good amount of presentations in english Nov 27 16:37:59 heh. hans knöll will talk about cooking for nerds Nov 27 16:40:26 hmm... going to bed as well.... Nov 27 16:40:27 g'night Nov 27 16:41:48 'night mickey|zzZZzz , koen|sleep :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 17:47:44 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 17:48:12 2005 Nov 27 18:58:29 'lo all Nov 27 22:17:50 * france is back (gone 67:27:25) Nov 28 00:24:06 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r5ec04764... 10/: nslu2-kernel: bug fix release 2.6.14.3 Nov 28 00:24:12 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r2d0eea19... 10/: Nov 28 00:24:12 ez-ipupdate: release 3.0.10 Nov 28 00:24:12 - fully tested release with startup script and prototype config Nov 28 00:24:12 - file. This package will update a wide range of dynamic IP services. Nov 28 00:24:13 - Tested on zoneedit. Nov 28 00:24:24 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r48c13e24... 10/: slugos.conf: add ez-ipupdate package to slugos conf **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 28 01:23:51 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 28 01:29:30 2005 Nov 28 01:30:18 hello all, I wonder if someone can assist me in setting up booting from nfs Nov 28 01:31:07 I have my iPaq h6365 booting from mmc, but want to do some development and it would be much easier to boot off nfs or at least to access an nfs volume on my PC Nov 28 02:09:45 morning all Nov 28 02:09:58 morning Nov 28 02:14:00 hi Nov 28 02:15:25 hi zecke Nov 28 02:17:42 RP: hey Nov 28 02:19:36 hey Nov 28 02:19:43 ~seen pb_ Nov 28 02:23:57 morning all Nov 28 02:31:10 hi XorA Nov 28 02:33:01 XorA: "glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0/build-i386-linux/iconv/iconvconfig error 1" Nov 28 02:33:12 XorA:(MACHINE = "x86" | TARGET_ARCH = "i386" | TARGET_OS = "linux" | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4" | KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6") Nov 28 02:33:28 XorA:any hint .thanks Nov 28 02:35:29 diesert: I never do x86 builds sorry Nov 28 02:36:02 XorA:thank you :) Nov 28 02:47:11 hi Nov 28 02:49:43 hi hrw Nov 28 02:49:58 hrw : "glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0/build-i386-linux/iconv/iconvconfig error 1" Nov 28 02:50:31 hrw : would you have any hint? Nov 28 02:50:42 hrw : (MACHINE = "x86" | TARGET_ARCH = "i386" | TARGET_OS = "linux" | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4" | KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6") Nov 28 02:50:54 no idea Nov 28 02:51:27 monotone 0.24 is out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 28 02:59:57 2005