**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 06 02:59:58 2005 Dec 06 03:07:21 morning all Dec 06 03:18:15 evening everybody Dec 06 03:21:54 morning hrw|work Dec 06 03:24:08 ~ibot Dec 06 03:24:10 extra, extra, read all about it, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org// , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. Dec 06 03:27:06 morning greentux, hrw and dirk Dec 06 03:27:38 morning :) RP, hrw and dirk (reading the log feom yesterday because the tty problem...) Dec 06 03:28:34 hi richard, greentux Dec 06 03:31:27 reading logs is time consuming. Dec 06 03:31:43 hey greentux Dec 06 03:32:15 greentux: the /dev/ttySX problem? Dec 06 03:32:44 XorA: morning... yes the BT card :) Dec 06 03:33:13 greentux: it turns out that /dev/ttyS3 is used, but kernel just prints wrong info Dec 06 03:35:10 XorA: ok, and your hciattach (read in the logs, some wrong packets)... ? btw: i have a billionton card) Dec 06 03:35:28 greentux: I have billionton as well Dec 06 03:37:38 XorA: ahhh :) in the moment i have some ugly hacks to automate the setserial and special hciattach... only for that card Dec 06 03:38:06 greentux: I just put the command in /etc/bluetooth/hciattach and use gpe-bluetooth Dec 06 03:42:37 I have a stupid question about what does mean *GLIBC_ADDONS = "nptl"*? Dec 06 03:43:39 XorA: mmmh i user opie in th emoment Dec 06 03:50:10 oyo: that you want nptl added into glibc Dec 06 04:03:45 hrw : hmm , what technique is NPTL ? it seem that the NPTL can solve the problem of linuxthread in glibc.right? Dec 06 04:07:54 NPTL is replacement for linuxthreads Dec 06 04:08:09 morning all Dec 06 04:08:39 hrw : thanks for you .. Dec 06 04:40:24 hi liam Dec 06 04:41:17 hrw|work, good morning Dec 06 04:43:11 brb Dec 06 04:51:39 while compiling a gpe-image I get errors from different packages with always this line on them : autotools_stage_all: command not found Dec 06 04:53:19 what could be wrong? mickey told me yesterday that my autotools could be old, but I don't think it's the case Dec 06 05:00:07 re Dec 06 05:01:34 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r1836da10... 10/: Dec 06 05:01:34 module-init-tools: prefer 3.2.1 over 3.2-pre4 Dec 06 05:01:34 - adds DEFAULT_PREFERENCE="-1" to the 3.2-pre4, see bug #498 Dec 06 05:02:32 why we keep pre4 at all? Dec 06 05:15:08 anyone using sound on linux-openzaurus-2.6.15-rc2? Dec 06 05:30:59 hostap is broken in oz354 Dec 06 05:34:01 koen: how? Dec 06 05:34:53 bug 512.. I see Dec 06 05:36:20 it's also called hostap.o.... Dec 06 05:36:32 hostap 0.3.9? Dec 06 05:37:10 0.4.0 according to ipkg Dec 06 05:38:06 we dont have hostap-modules 0.4.0 Dec 06 05:39:56 hrw|work: 0.3.9-r6 Dec 06 05:40:44 BB>> parse;rebuild virtual/kernel;rebuild hostap-modules Dec 06 05:40:47 will look Dec 06 05:42:32 wierd, .dev branch defineately work as I rebuilt/reinstyalled only 30 secs ago Dec 06 05:47:00 I'm building hostap-modules from scratch now Dec 06 05:49:13 I suspect the 2.4/2.6 selector (${KERNEL_VERSION}) interferes with the ${KERNEL_VERSION} inside hostap.bb Dec 06 05:54:59 hrw|work: the student had a look on opie networksetting (for use wpa_supplicant), he thinks he can do the job... :) Dec 06 05:55:09 greentux: nice Dec 06 05:57:48 rebuilded kernel and hostap-modules (both from .dev) and it is ok Dec 06 05:59:17 but the release won't be built from .dev Dec 06 05:59:31 I know Dec 06 06:04:24 currently I dont have branch builddir Dec 06 06:51:54 XorA: Sound under -rc2 might be problematic as I supect we lost the device specific controls Dec 06 07:01:34 RP: I get lots of silence :-( Dec 06 07:03:52 XorA, it won't be long now, device specific controls have move on a lot since the last release. I'm sending some code to Richard soon... Dec 06 07:04:02 moved Dec 06 07:05:59 lrg|home: cool Dec 06 07:06:24 lrg|home: I weas hoping to watch TNA on the train to work tomorrow, obviously not going to happen :-) Dec 06 07:07:23 XorA: You might be able to watch it on Thursday/Friday :) Dec 06 07:07:42 lrg|home: wicked, I need to catch up on 3 weeks worth Dec 06 07:08:30 argh, could some kind soul please revert my latest commit? Dec 06 07:08:50 i think i accidentally committed a whole working copy instead of a single file Dec 06 07:09:18 but as monotone decided to punish me by eating my db afterwards, i can't check... Dec 06 07:09:33 you nasty Dec 06 07:16:21 pH5: disapproving.. Dec 06 07:19:31 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rbb8a3b34... 10/: disapproval of revision '1836da10f903d9ee68a7255b7a5d899128f4f43c' Dec 06 07:20:30 pH5: now you can push correct things Dec 06 07:21:08 hrw|work, thanks. Dec 06 07:23:26 np Dec 06 07:47:06 XorA: Decent sound will soon be here once and for all. Just need a little more time... Dec 06 08:06:00 RP: is ok I got patience Dec 06 08:31:19 cvs suxx Dec 06 08:42:50 CVS does indeed suck Dec 06 08:52:46 * france is back (gone 21:36:51) Dec 06 08:54:43 kergoth, thanks for fixing the OE dns Dec 06 08:54:51 now I don't need to change some links :) Dec 06 08:56:35 whiner... :) Dec 06 09:04:46 hi Dec 06 09:05:23 It would be whining to start naggin him about renewing it :) Dec 06 09:08:31 pcmciautils 011 released Dec 06 09:10:47 hi Mardy Dec 06 09:11:02 Mardy: Your last message to oz-dev didn't have a dmesg attached Dec 06 09:12:25 oh! Dec 06 09:13:29 I've just sent it now Dec 06 09:14:56 gints: ping Dec 06 10:27:19 RP: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16490 Dec 06 10:27:35 RP: I can prepare spitz.patch fro 2.6.15-rc2 from OE Dec 06 10:30:34 lo all Dec 06 10:30:40 lo ade Dec 06 10:33:11 any ideas what "Empty flash at 0x004d7ffc ends at 0x004d8000" ..... and up means ? Dec 06 10:33:18 hrw|work: or point them at: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/total-2.6.15-rc1-git2-r0.patch.gz Dec 06 10:34:06 RP: nice Dec 06 10:34:11 That was the last snapshot set of patches I made but I'm going to try and automate that in future... Dec 06 10:36:06 RP: INHERIT="sourcepkg" then rebuild kernel Dec 06 10:36:50 hrw|work: That's handy to know, thanks :) Dec 06 10:37:21 http://handhelds.org/~hrw/linux-openzaurus-2.6.14+2.6.15-rc2-r4.diff.gz is result Dec 06 10:37:53 can be smaller Dec 06 10:38:31 * koen should do a sourcepkg run for familiar very soon Dec 06 10:38:58 133K instead of 355K looks better Dec 06 10:39:12 132 files changed, 18582 insertions(+), 1207 deletions(-) Dec 06 10:40:50 RP: posted at oesf Dec 06 10:41:04 hrw|work: thanks Dec 06 10:42:00 hrw|work: poor helpless pdaX people Dec 06 10:42:20 koen: does mickeyl said something about using images generated by you as 3.5.4-rc2? Dec 06 10:42:41 koen: pdax people or pdax devels? Dec 06 10:43:00 hrw|work: both, the post you linked to is from a pdaX character Dec 06 10:43:29 aha Dec 06 10:43:30 hrw|work: with the hostap problem I noticed I think this buildrun is next to useless Dec 06 10:43:39 i heard setting up crosstools in freebsd is a bit difficult Dec 06 10:44:21 koen: ok Dec 06 10:45:05 hrw|work: it seems ${KERNEL_VERSION} is used for different things in OE Dec 06 10:45:32 1) calculated from parsing the kernel PV and used for modules 2) for zaurus machines Dec 06 10:45:50 classes/kernel.bbclass:KERNEL_VERSION = "${@get_kernelversion('${S}/include/linux/version.h')}" Dec 06 10:46:31 heh.. we need to sort out this.. Dec 06 10:48:48 my first bitbake attempt on freebsd gives me this : bb.build.FuncFailed:("can't read from file '%s' (%s)", ('/tmp/storage/tmp/staging/arm-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion' Dec 06 10:49:33 hrw|work: I just pushed a hack to the branch Dec 06 10:49:46 obviously i'm missing the staging dir, is it created in the process or i have to set it up manually Dec 06 10:50:17 CSMan: everything under tmp should be created automatically, I think Dec 06 10:50:36 hey mreimer Dec 06 10:50:39 hey koen Dec 06 10:52:29 * france is away: Away Dec 06 10:53:22 mreimer: do you know at what moment is the staging dir created ? Dec 06 10:53:37 CSMan: no, I'm not that familiar with the whole process Dec 06 10:53:57 CSMan: I'll be very happy if you get it building on FreeBSD Dec 06 10:54:12 iirc zecke is our bsd master Dec 06 10:54:32 CSMan: the staging directory is created the first time it is needed Dec 06 10:55:15 CosmicPenguin: regardless of what i use (bitbake package or bitbake -b path/to/bb_file) ? Dec 06 10:55:31 koen: roger that. Dec 06 10:55:40 Any .bbs that write to the staging directory are supposed to install -d ${STAGING_DIR} before writing to it Dec 06 10:55:53 If there are any that don't, thats a bug Dec 06 10:56:10 actually, that isnt correct Dec 06 10:56:21 any directories in the 'dirs' attribute of the function are automatically created before execution Dec 06 10:56:26 and i'm certain that one is in there Dec 06 10:56:50 http://www.bigbold.com/snippets/ <-that site rocks Dec 06 10:56:56 So we're doing thousands of usless installs? Dec 06 10:56:58 cu Dec 06 10:57:35 CosmicPenguin: probably. dirs inside of staging, yes, you need to install -d, but staging itself, you shouldnt have to Dec 06 10:57:49 kergoth: oh, heh - well I've been doing that for eons Dec 06 10:57:53 hehe Dec 06 10:57:59 * CosmicPenguin makes a mental note to fix that when he sees it Dec 06 10:58:10 kergoth: cool site, but sad that there are only 8 'c' tags Dec 06 10:58:20 indeed. need more people using it Dec 06 10:59:10 stupid web protocols Dec 06 10:59:21 of course, thats probably what fortran people said about c Dec 06 10:59:54 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r9beb55f6... 10/: Dec 06 10:59:54 zaurus machines: sed -i s:KERNEL_VERSION:ZKERNEL_VERSION: Dec 06 10:59:54 * prevents overloading of classes/kernel.bbclass:KERNEL_VERSION = "${@get_kernelversion('${S}/include/linux/version.h')}" Dec 06 10:59:54 * makes it Zaurus specific Dec 06 10:59:54 * this is a hack for the release branch, a better solution is needed for .dev Dec 06 11:00:56 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r5aab1b94... 10/: familiar 0.8.3: adapt to ZKERNEL_VERSION Dec 06 11:02:32 koen: you remember telling me not to lose my private oe key? Dec 06 11:02:36 koen: I did... Dec 06 11:02:45 heh Dec 06 11:03:37 the key should be in your db you use for commiting Dec 06 11:06:58 koen: monotone ate my db today, and the printout is nowhere to be found. any chance you and mickeyl would accept a new key, like pH5@openembedded.org? Dec 06 11:07:34 sure, if you make a hardcopy of the key first Dec 06 11:11:41 * mreimer takes notes and copies his oe key to a safe place Dec 06 11:16:20 akita works then Dec 06 11:53:20 If I want to have package X deployed to oe_temp/root_fs, how can i instruct bitbake to do this? Dec 06 11:54:10 JustinTodd: Add it to the image dependencies? Dec 06 11:54:23 I was able to successfully build gpe-image but i'd like to add a few extra programs to my jffs2 Dec 06 11:54:50 ok. where does the image.jffs2 end up once i build gpe-image? Dec 06 11:55:45 You probabaly want to look at the gpe-image.bb file (in packages/meta) and modify that to add things to it... Dec 06 11:55:58 Although there are plenty of other ways you can achieve this as well... Dec 06 12:13:59 kergoth: I just posted a patch to tslib in the OE ML, your comments will be especially welcome. Dec 06 12:33:16 how come i don't get /tmp/staging =( Dec 06 12:33:40 because you specified an other dir for staging? Dec 06 12:35:25 you mean in conf/local.conf ? Dec 06 12:35:27 hmmm Dec 06 12:35:30 * CSMan checks Dec 06 12:36:41 conf/bitbake.conf:STAGING_DIR = "${TMPDIR}/staging" Dec 06 12:37:21 and whats TMPDIR set? Dec 06 12:37:56 /tmp/storage/tmp/ Dec 06 12:38:21 i only have these dirs : cache stamps work Dec 06 12:38:26 no staging dir Dec 06 12:38:46 hm Dec 06 12:45:18 CSMan: maybe mkdir is getting called with args that the FreeBSD mkdir doesn't understand Dec 06 12:45:55 /o\ specially arguments located after the dirname Dec 06 12:46:04 especially. Dec 06 12:51:00 mkdir -p seems to be ok. Dec 06 13:14:18 Reiserfs on a flash is a wast of space: reiserfs always uses 32MB for its journal, which block size and journal size should be used? It's for a SD of 128M Dec 06 14:07:21 Ive added libsdl-x11 to gpe-image dependancies but for some reason bitbake complains that it cannot find libsdl-x11 and fails. any ideas? Dec 06 14:09:06 bitbake libsdl-x11 does succeed however Dec 06 15:20:44 If I want to include libsdl in gpe-image, what are the appropriate lines to add to gpe-image.bb? Adding libsdl-x11 results in an error: "libsdl-x11 cannot be found" even though it clearly exists. Dec 06 15:33:09 What exactly is a "meta package" Dec 06 15:43:31 JustinTodd: Its a collection of packages that form an image Dec 06 16:15:21 ~lart FUSE Dec 06 16:15:21 * ibot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down FUSE's throat until FUSE puts on 150lbs Dec 06 16:20:51 heh Dec 06 16:31:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8de75ffc... 10/: libxml2: enable schemas, needed for qof and php Dec 06 16:31:42 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r02fdaa60... 10/: qof: depend on libxml2 Dec 06 16:31:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r79a998fb... 10/: handhelds-pxa-2.6: add defconfig for h2200 Dec 06 19:38:53 hello all Dec 06 21:26:50 +1 channel to autojoin Dec 06 21:26:54 so, kergoth, go on ;) Dec 06 21:28:04 right, so, the idea is, you run 'bitbake nano' and it builds you nano binary packages for use on the device. or whatever else. or entire root filesystems and flash images. obeying package interdependencies, and everything is highly granular Dec 06 21:28:13 docs and manuals and development files are all automatically split out into seperate packages Dec 06 21:28:38 'k Dec 06 21:28:52 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/SuccesStories Dec 06 21:29:01 heh, the one link I didn't clock Dec 06 21:29:03 *clickj Dec 06 21:29:05 ** :P Dec 06 21:29:14 hehe Dec 06 21:29:53 OpenZaurus built with OE? Not bad, I didn't know that Dec 06 21:30:36 I founded both OZ and OE Dec 06 21:30:41 though i'm not involved with either anymore Dec 06 21:30:45 * ScytheBlade1 praises kergoth Dec 06 21:31:01 i've got 3 or 4 zauruses in my closet collecting dust now Dec 06 21:31:05 Of course, I had to crack my 5600 screen a few months after they stopped US retail Dec 06 21:31:05 heh Dec 06 21:31:09 aw Dec 06 21:31:15 one of mine is cracked too Dec 06 21:31:16 No kidding Dec 06 21:31:26 actually, i've cracked the ts digitizer on a total of 3 units to date Dec 06 21:31:28 It's more to repair the sucker than to buy a new one Dec 06 21:31:29 * kergoth is cursed Dec 06 21:32:00 hmm. well lemme tell you a bit about my setup, and why I picked this in specific Dec 06 21:32:26 yeah, problem is you have to replace the whole lcd/digitizer unit, since its all sealed up and everything Dec 06 21:32:30 ah well Dec 06 21:32:45 I've got a little script that downloads a fun gentoo stage1 tarball, and builds the system from the base up with a ream of options to reduce size (-Os, noman, etc.) Dec 06 21:33:01 It also builds binpackages of them, and then I host them on HTTP so I don't have to re-compile them later ;) Dec 06 21:33:22 The gentoo people gave me really really funny looks when I asked why my stage1 install with binpackages was breaking ;) Dec 06 21:34:02 The big reason why I'm doing this is hardware support - I have yet to find something that'll let me install what I want, really really defined Dec 06 21:34:17 This isn't a solve-all - my script rm's a few hundred megs and whatnot afterwards Dec 06 21:34:23 But it works, well Dec 06 21:35:03 Another reason is the kernel support - I've got 2 wifi cards in this box, and they each need their own drivers that aren't in the kernel tree Dec 06 21:35:27 (ipw2200 and madwifi) Dec 06 21:36:17 you should definately take a look at oe. do a build for a zaurus for example for a bootstrap image (fairly minimal rootfs) Dec 06 21:36:22 poke around at the config files Dec 06 21:36:24 see what you think Dec 06 21:36:32 might be more maintainable than your script Dec 06 21:36:35 hmm - just how well defined is OE? If I wanted a 100% 'full' CLI system over SSH to be built with this, how effective (disk space size wise) would it be? Dec 06 21:36:40 Eh, my script isn't bad Dec 06 21:36:46 I personally have taken a liking to it ;) Dec 06 21:36:51 But this is suddenly tempting Dec 06 21:36:52 you can define a list of binary packages to go into the rootfs Dec 06 21:36:59 and each source package emits a number of highly granular ones Dec 06 21:37:13 How does it do the cross compile? Also, does it just build the userland stuff, or a kernel of sorts also? Dec 06 21:37:15 there are preset groupings, like bootstrap, opie, gpe, xfce, etc Dec 06 21:37:34 it builds itself a crosscompiler, and if packages it builds needs a kernel, and one is in the tree for the target machine, it builds that Dec 06 21:38:18 heh, I cheated for the cross compile (build for i486 on an i686) Dec 06 21:38:28 static int __init uname_hack_init_module( void ) Dec 06 21:38:28 { Dec 06 21:38:28 save = system_utsname.machine[1]; Dec 06 21:38:28 system_utsname.machine[1] = UNAME_DUMB_STEPPING; Dec 06 21:38:28 return( 0 ); Dec 06 21:38:29 } Dec 06 21:38:35 hehe Dec 06 21:38:41 where UNAME_DUMB_STEPPING = 4 Dec 06 21:38:47 magically, my i686 is an i486! Dec 06 21:39:30 But no, this is suddenly very very tempting Dec 06 21:39:44 the best part about it is the collaboration Dec 06 21:39:51 you've got countless people on countless projects sharing the repo Dec 06 21:39:55 yeah Dec 06 21:39:58 all for embedded Dec 06 21:40:01 * kergoth nods Dec 06 21:40:17 the embedded gentoo folks have done some good work, but portage really isnt up to par atm Dec 06 21:41:00 How well would it support a read-only / out of the box? I had to put a little work into getting that to work (mount -n -t tmpfs tmpfs /var; mkdir /var/{....,..,.,,} -p Dec 06 21:41:08 (every time on boot) Dec 06 21:41:23 there are a few ways of implementing it Dec 06 21:41:30 there's a package to use a unionfs root filesystem Dec 06 21:41:35 but i'm not sure the state of unionfs atm Dec 06 21:41:41 heh, no, bad idea with 64MB of RAM and that's it Dec 06 21:41:47 (it lets you overlay filesystems, like ramfs on top of your read only /, and apps can write anywhere there) Dec 06 21:41:53 I've used unionfs - just too much possibility to run out of RAM Dec 06 21:42:07 if your apps are writing to / that much, you've got other issues :) Dec 06 21:42:14 Well they're not, just /var ;) Dec 06 21:42:18 but the oe distro does a ramfs /dev, /var, and /tmp out of the box Dec 06 21:42:20 pid files and such Dec 06 21:42:21 so those arent an issue Dec 06 21:42:41 its things like /etc that you should use unionfs or a bind mount solution for Dec 06 21:43:06 Yeah Dec 06 21:43:24 `sbuild patch unionfs` is one of my script commands, to patch unionfs into the current kernel source that I'm working with Dec 06 21:43:46 cool. oe builds out of tree, iirc Dec 06 21:44:06 This is suddenly very tempting Dec 06 21:44:19 Does it handle bootloader at all? (In all honesty, I'd rather it not) Dec 06 21:44:25 give it a try. follow the instructions in GettingStarted Dec 06 21:44:30 today i dont think any are in the repo Dec 06 21:44:44 i always planned on adding u-boot Dec 06 21:44:56 I've just used lilo Dec 06 21:45:22 u-boot is an ARM arch thing Dec 06 21:45:32 ah k, so it's not going to apply in my case Dec 06 21:45:38 * ScytheBlade1 paths 133MHz i486 Dec 06 21:50:50 how big is the OE repo? Dec 06 21:51:17 hmm, i havent messed with it in a while. not sure. Dec 06 21:51:30 the monotone database is big, due to all the history in source control Dec 06 21:51:44 an exported repo must be around a hundred megs i'd think, mostly in patches to upstream sources Dec 06 21:51:48 I've got a 36GB /home, which is why I ask ;) Dec 06 21:51:49 but i dunno, i've been out of it for a while Dec 06 21:51:53 oh Dec 06 21:51:58 OE downloads the sources it needs from upstream Dec 06 21:52:03 the oe repo is just metadata Dec 06 21:52:05 whats where Dec 06 21:52:06 ah k Dec 06 21:52:11 the size of a bulid depends on what you're doing Dec 06 21:52:19 it can push 30 gigs or more if you build every package we've got Dec 06 21:52:24 or just 3-4 in a bootstrap build Dec 06 21:52:46 That's fine, I was just wondering if your repo would magically take the last 5GB I've got here Dec 06 21:52:53 ah Dec 06 21:52:54 hehe Dec 06 21:55:54 The biggest reason I went with my nice script is because all of the other pre-built stuff either A) didn't support my hardware, B) I couldn't really access (ssh), or C) just plain sucked Dec 06 21:56:30 This, though, could 'just work' Dec 06 22:02:57 a default build is ~ 8Gb still i belive Dec 06 22:04:03 image build* Dec 06 22:07:02 I just made some space on the drive Dec 06 22:07:05 I've got 19GB now Dec 06 22:33:04 monotone likes to take it's time to compile Dec 06 22:41:56 grab a prebuilt binary Dec 06 22:42:09 he runs gentoo :) Dec 06 22:42:15 silly compiling freaks ;) Dec 06 22:42:35 :) Dec 06 22:42:43 Dual AMD 2600+ MPs and 4GB of RAM Dec 06 22:42:45 oh. consumer resource addicts Dec 06 22:42:47 What can I say? :) Dec 06 22:42:54 mm, nice Dec 06 22:42:58 he must go shopping 3 times a month Dec 06 22:43:02 i'm on a single amd64 shuttle xpc atm Dec 06 22:43:15 I've noticed Dec 06 22:43:21 CTCP VERSION is a fun command ;) Dec 06 22:43:28 indeed it is Dec 06 22:43:41 no better than nmap -A -P0 =) Dec 06 22:44:23 hehe Dec 06 22:45:10 good ol' -A Dec 06 22:46:29 CPU: Pentium/P55C (233.22-MHz 586-class CPU) Hehe, not bad ;) Dec 06 22:46:58 * ScytheBlade1 debates spamming stats script in here Dec 06 22:47:04 it's a Pentium Dec 06 22:47:39 [OS] Gentoo Base System 1.12.0_pre11; Kernel 2.6.13 :: [Uptime] 3 days, 5:39 :: [CPU] 2-AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2600+ @ 2134MHz (256 KB) (86% idle) :: [Memory] 1657M Used, 3040M Total (45% Free) :: [Disk] 333.32G Used, 582.16G Total (43% Free) :: [Network] Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet Dec 06 22:47:39 Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ Dec 06 22:47:39 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (eth0*) (Total: 3.26G In, 2.77G Out) Dec 06 22:48:09 I've got a PII next to me with a dead HD Dec 06 22:48:16 louder than most vacuums due to fans Dec 06 22:51:26 Put it this way: to run gentoo, you need a machine like that ;) Dec 06 22:55:29 to run freebsd, you can make it with a pentium classic. =) Dec 06 22:55:47 hehe Dec 06 22:55:52 I <3 my gentoo though Dec 06 22:56:08 It honestly is faster than any other disto out there, and I've tried them all Dec 06 22:56:27 makes sense, given it can optimize for the box Dec 06 22:56:40 i want a distro thats a combination of debian and gentoo Dec 06 22:56:51 binary packages I take it? Dec 06 22:57:00 bunch of the cool debian distributionisms like /etc/network/interfaces, and better binariy package handling, combined with a build infrastructure like portage Dec 06 22:57:12 my distro on my desktop is always a perverse amolgamation of distros Dec 06 22:57:49 Yeah, that'd require some hacking to get working Dec 06 22:58:02 thats an understatement Dec 06 22:58:09 Though, gentoo has gotten better at network config Dec 06 22:58:11 i thought about building my desktop distro with oe, then using oe in it to build its packages Dec 06 22:58:20 config_eth0=( "dhcp" ) Dec 06 22:58:20 config_eth1=( "10.99.99.24 netmask 255.255.255.0" ) Dec 06 22:58:20 config_eth2=( "dhcp" ) Dec 06 22:58:20 since its portage-like, and can emit .deb's, basically Dec 06 22:58:29 ah cool, thats a definate improvement Dec 06 22:58:33 Indeed Dec 06 22:58:39 And you can go very very detailed if needed Dec 06 22:58:47 It'll also do needed wireless options, etc. etc. etc. Dec 06 22:58:49 how extensible is it, though? Dec 06 22:58:55 can any arbitrary package inject new options? Dec 06 22:59:15 I'm inclined to say no, and then ask why you'd need to Dec 06 22:59:34 lemme link this file, sec Dec 06 22:59:37 flexibility and extensibility. Dec 06 22:59:52 i can make a debian package to add anything to it. and often do. Dec 06 23:00:19 http://www.brantleyonline.com/files/linux/net.example <-- full list of network-specific config options Dec 06 23:00:36 i dont like arbitrary limitations on flexibility. its one of my pet peeves Dec 06 23:00:46 so saying oh this supports wireless is well and good, but not optimal Dec 06 23:01:06 This is disturbingly flexible, in all honesty Dec 06 23:01:11 (imo) Dec 06 23:01:15 but not extensible. Dec 06 23:01:25 What would you be adding to it? Dec 06 23:01:31 check out interfaces some time, and the variety of packages that add functionality to it Dec 06 23:02:01 heh, I need to apparently Dec 06 23:02:18 bridging, wireless, not to mention the more esoteric packages that add other things, like zeroconf configuration, easy wireless configuration changes based on any arbitrary parameter (pinging a gateway, listing nearby access points, etc) Dec 06 23:02:26 thats off the top of my head Dec 06 23:02:27 :) Dec 06 23:02:43 check, check, not there akaik, check Dec 06 23:04:08 but yeah, I'll need to poke around apparently Dec 06 23:04:31 hehe Dec 06 23:04:45 i've found that gentoo tends to have these really great innovative ideas Dec 06 23:04:51 but the implemenations leave a great deal to be desired Dec 06 23:05:04 whereas debian doesnt do nearly as much cool stuff, but what they do tends to be pretty solid Dec 06 23:05:09 need a balance between the two Dec 06 23:05:14 I can see that, yeah Dec 06 23:05:25 My experience with debian is minimal, but...eh Dec 06 23:05:43 try ubuntu in vmware or something, good contrasting experience Dec 06 23:05:50 Haha Dec 06 23:05:56 ubuntu? I'll pass, kthx Dec 06 23:06:00 ubuntu is debian. Dec 06 23:06:03 but with recent packages Dec 06 23:06:12 even the installer is nearly identical Dec 06 23:06:40 just type 'expert' at the grub prompt when installing and it drops in a 30 meg base install, lets you apt-get install the rest of the system Dec 06 23:06:45 no fancy gnome out of the box that way Dec 06 23:06:49 i do that, then install xfce Dec 06 23:06:53 Yeah, but just the whole ubuntu mantra scares me. 'For the people'... which in all honesty, I just read and think 'dumbed down and hard to configure via CLI without breaking the GUI tools' Dec 06 23:07:22 that isnt the case though. its debian, taken and refined, without taking away any of the power Dec 06 23:07:30 imho of course Dec 06 23:07:35 Heh. They need a change in advertising then ;) Dec 06 23:07:42 could very well be :) Dec 06 23:08:02 do you know I can PXE boot the installer at all? Dec 06 23:08:10 do you have any experience in that realm? Dec 06 23:08:16 fraid not, x86 is a weak point for me, and pxe more so Dec 06 23:08:26 most x86 builds in oe i do are for uml/colinux Dec 06 23:08:40 x86 boot stuff is just voodoo to me :) Dec 06 23:08:45 CosmicPenguin would be helpful though Dec 06 23:08:55 I created #pxe, a nice wiki, and documented how to install several things over PXE, plus run knoppix over PXE without having knoppix running on a host machine ;) Dec 06 23:09:12 I'm a PXE obsessive freak, netbooting >>>>>> burning CDs ;) Dec 06 23:10:02 nifty Dec 06 23:10:05 i'll have to check it out Dec 06 23:10:42 I've written it in plain english, should be easy enough for most anyone to figure out Dec 06 23:11:11 Plus, it's just plain useful to plug in a laptop to a desktop with a crossover cable - boot up the PC and tada have knoppix running on it, less CD Dec 06 23:11:29 that is pretty cool Dec 06 23:12:11 if you did any x86 embedded stuff, it's useful there too - just reboot the device in question time and time again, no need to re-write media Dec 06 23:14:11 meh, time to sleep. I have a feeling that at this rate (very few kB/sec) the initial sync will indeed take days Dec 06 23:15:18 * ScytheBlade1 heads off to sleep Dec 06 23:16:42 night Dec 07 01:56:32 good morning Dec 07 01:56:39 <_guillermo> morning all Dec 07 01:56:56 RP: sd almost works Dec 07 01:57:44 I can acess it, copy files, etc, but after some time it locks up, and a attempt to access it just locks the program/konsole Dec 07 01:58:41 hrw|gone: did you manage to fix your wifi problems? Dec 07 01:58:50 morning Dec 07 01:58:54 hi XorA Dec 07 02:00:29 <_guillermo> is it normal that the first time I pull a oe .dev branch, the last revs take forever? it takes minutes for each rev, and the machine is a xeon Dec 07 02:01:18 _guillermo: monotone isn't the fastest out there Dec 07 02:01:34 you can/should download the nightly database and start from there Dec 07 02:01:48 <_guillermo> I know but I don't know if that's normal, I did it before and I thought it was not that bad Dec 07 02:02:27 <_guillermo> ok, now that I'm thinking... maybe that's what I actually did Dec 07 02:11:17 morning all Dec 07 02:11:22 mornig all Dec 07 02:11:27 Bernardo|away: Which kernel is that? Dec 07 02:11:42 hi richard Dec 07 02:12:04 morning all Dec 07 02:44:05 morning Dec 07 02:44:21 hi hrw|work Dec 07 02:44:41 Bernardo|away: looks like my wifi card has borken antenna so can work only as 1Mbps Dec 07 02:44:58 the images in http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/OZ/ shouldn't suffer from the KERNEL_VERSION thing anymore Dec 07 02:45:26 koen: CONF_KERNEL_VERSION maybe? Dec 07 02:45:51 I just made it ZKERNEL_VSERION since only zaurus machines use it Dec 07 02:46:21 I see Dec 07 02:46:25 morning all Dec 07 02:46:31 hey ade|desk Dec 07 02:56:21 koen: did you push the zkernel_version change ? Dec 07 02:56:36 to the releasebranch, yes Dec 07 02:56:56 but not dev :( Dec 07 02:56:59 no Dec 07 02:57:04 fair enough Dec 07 02:57:21 I'm still waiting for a conclusion to the discussion we had about it months ago Dec 07 02:57:28 ah Dec 07 02:58:34 i think that local conf should run with kernel_series imho Dec 07 02:59:32 suggest it to bug 413 Dec 07 02:59:34 ehm Dec 07 02:59:37 bug 513 Dec 07 02:59:49 I don't think there was ever a solution proposed that covered all the issues... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 07 02:59:56 2005