**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:59:57 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 03:06:33 2005 Dec 11 03:33:46 <_law_> how can i manually create an ipkg feed with ipkg-make-index Dec 11 03:34:58 put your .ipk files in a directory and run ipkg-make-index. Dec 11 03:36:22 <_law_> pb_: without any option? Dec 11 03:37:50 if you like Dec 11 03:38:57 ipkg-make-index -p Packages -l Package.filelist . Dec 11 03:39:19 or you can 'bitbake package-index' and use deploy/ipk Dec 11 03:39:27 and good morning all :) Dec 11 03:43:02 <_law_> koen: morning, thanks i?ll try Dec 11 03:43:56 <_law_> koen: latest gpe-image (.dev) doesnt build an hostap-module, so gpe-image do_rootfs fails Dec 11 03:44:55 try bitbake -c clean gpe-image ; bitbake gpe-image Dec 11 03:45:12 I think it's using a cached BOOTSTRAP depends Dec 11 03:45:57 <_law_> koen: build a totaly new gpe-image yesterday Dec 11 03:46:32 RP removed hostap modules from bootstrap, so he'll know how to fix it Dec 11 03:47:16 hi Dec 11 03:47:34 <_law_> hi hrw Dec 11 03:48:27 hi law Dec 11 04:07:24 _law_: It works here so that's rather strange. Did you start the build yesterday before or after my commits? Dec 11 04:08:04 koen: please allow write access for me Dec 11 04:09:21 zecke_: no errors during pull? Dec 11 04:09:26 RP: hi Dec 11 04:10:06 koen: well I'm using your clean db and now have pulled 18 revs Dec 11 04:10:08 RP: I have a problem with my new 1GB sd card.. c760 does not like it under 2.6 or 2.4.. on desktop its ok, on collie too Dec 11 04:10:09 (on ewi) Dec 11 04:10:21 ok, you should be able to push now Dec 11 04:10:26 RP: ideas? Dec 11 04:11:00 do we have multiple heads? Dec 11 04:11:48 zecke_: judging from viewmtn and my working copy, no Dec 11 04:11:59 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/branch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.dev Dec 11 04:35:10 hrw: The timeouts on the PXA probably need to be fixed to account for slower access times on the card Dec 11 04:35:29 hrw: Note there are other timesouts to the ones we've adjusted in the past Dec 11 04:36:09 sure Dec 11 04:37:01 RP: and it looks like timeout problem - card is recognised and mounted Dec 11 04:38:46 ideas where to try? Dec 11 05:03:59 hrw: I can't give a quick explaination - I did try and explain it a while back. The issue was highlighted by reply to one of my posts on lakml Dec 11 05:09:56 ok will look in archives Dec 11 05:11:11 i dont have a luck with sd cards... first 256m one had problems, now 1g one.. Dec 11 05:11:46 <_law_> hrw: sd problem with latest 2.6.15 kernel? Dec 11 05:12:21 _law_: rc2, rc5 Dec 11 05:12:56 <_law_> hrw: one of my 2 512mb sd also doesnt work :-( Dec 11 05:14:09 hrw: There is a problem with SD/MMC cards after a suspend/resume Dec 11 05:14:18 * RP hasn't had time to look into it Dec 11 05:15:16 hm Dec 11 05:15:35 _law_: in which way? Dec 11 05:15:53 _law_: and does it worked before? Dec 11 05:20:30 Most of my binaries contain references to my staging dir. Is this an error on my part? Dec 11 05:20:30 $ strings xset | grep staging Dec 11 05:20:30 /home/ph5/src/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib Dec 11 05:22:55 why the hell xorg take 30-60% of cpu on my dessktop is beyond me.. Dec 11 05:26:08 re Dec 11 05:27:13 pH5: I think that's a libtool side effect Dec 11 05:28:06 pH5: if you strace that binary you will see it will try to open that dir and fall back to the paths in ld.so.conf Dec 11 05:28:51 koen: I think this might be bad for startup performance. There are many failed open()s for each lib. Dec 11 05:31:57 like this: http://pastebin.ca/33277 Dec 11 05:35:08 pH5: it seems your glibc has been badly built Dec 11 05:35:26 I guess you are missing arm-no-hwcap.patch or some such. Dec 11 05:36:51 that said, an open() call only costs a couple of microseconds, so I doubt you will notice any real difference. Dec 11 05:40:36 pb_: arm-no-hwcap.patch is commented out in glibc_2.3.5+cvs20050627.bb Dec 11 05:41:08 that would explain it, I suppose Dec 11 05:41:09 is there a reason why binaries compiled with libtool should include references to the staging dir? Dec 11 05:41:32 that's a longstanding bug in the interaction between oe and libtool Dec 11 05:41:56 or, well, I guess it's a three-way interaction: oe, automake and libtool Dec 11 05:42:31 libtool sees that oe wants to link with libraries in what it perceives to be a crazy location, and adds -rpath flags to all the binaries as a result. Dec 11 05:47:34 didn't the installed=no patch to libtool prevent that behaviour? Dec 11 05:48:17 and why is the no-hwcap patch disabled? should it be re-enabled? Dec 11 05:48:53 probably no good reason. I think it should be re-enabled. Dec 11 05:52:33 koen: do you mean the patch in libdir-la.patch? it is applied here, so it doesn't seem to prevent this. Dec 11 05:52:44 pH5: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/45/4519.html Dec 11 05:55:53 mm. "come back .lai, all is forgiven." Dec 11 05:57:21 hm. 81 .la files in ${STAGING_LIBDIR} contain installed=yes, 18 contain installed=no Dec 11 05:57:58 that does seem a bit funky. Dec 11 05:58:32 I'm pretty sure that the consensus is/was that the "installed=no" ones (which normally go by the name of libtool-uninstalled.la) were causing some other problem. Dec 11 05:59:39 I guess Chris would be the man to talk to about that stuff. Thinking about libtool always gives me this unpleasant sensation of my brain leaking out of my ears. Dec 11 06:02:18 Chris is kergoth? Dec 11 06:02:47 right Dec 11 06:05:53 could also try Überhacker Mickey, if you can catch him in a non-tv moment Dec 11 06:06:50 <_law_> hrw: yes it works before 2.6.14-rc2 was the last one where the sd works Dec 11 06:07:43 _law_: interesting. will maybe look there if my hacks does not help Dec 11 06:08:55 <_law_> does anyone have 2.6.15-rc5 with hostap working? Dec 11 06:29:53 argh........ Dec 11 06:33:42 RP: mmc subsystem have 2 timeouts - one in mmc_data, second in pxamci. when I had problem with 256m card enlarging pxamci one was ok. will try that now Dec 11 06:34:30 D'oh Dec 11 06:34:56 just after I've update irssi_cvs.bb I read this: 'Moved to subversion' Dec 11 06:35:03 ;) Dec 11 06:35:19 irssi 0.8.10 is out Dec 11 06:35:34 Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - http://irssi.org/ Dec 11 06:35:39 time to upgrade Dec 11 06:40:18 pxamci timeout bumped from *4 to *400 == ;( Dec 11 06:42:08 viewmtn supports rss too: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/branch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.dev&rss=1 Dec 11 06:43:52 ~kill noname sd cad manufacturers Dec 11 06:43:58 * ibot shoots a quark gun at noname sd cad manufacturers Dec 11 06:44:00 ~kill sharp Dec 11 06:44:02 * ibot shoots a fluxneutrino gun at sharp Dec 11 06:44:31 collie read that card without problem. desktop read that card without problem. husky does not want Dec 11 06:47:51 <_law_> hrw same problem here Dec 11 06:48:14 <_law_> hrw: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506 Dec 11 06:48:18 I saw that Dec 11 06:49:43 >> monotone: warning: discarding revision data packet xxxxx with unmet dependencies << is ok ? Dec 11 06:49:55 gremlin[it]: read the mailinglist Dec 11 06:50:35 clean.db and monotone 0.24 ? Dec 11 07:42:59 koen ... what i can do if i don't remember monotone pass phrase !?!?! ... 'db migrate' ask for it :( Dec 11 07:43:24 that's your passphrase Dec 11 07:43:54 yes mine pass pharse ... ... Dec 11 07:44:34 i'm about sure i had empty pass phrase .. but new don't like ;( Dec 11 07:45:46 done ... :) Dec 11 07:53:07 re Dec 11 08:01:54 I know I'm going to regret this: Dec 11 08:01:55 NOTE: package openoffice-2.0.0-r0: task do_fetch: started Dec 11 08:02:23 uhhh !!! Dec 11 08:02:32 koen does it again Dec 11 08:02:42 not for arm i hope :) :) : ) Dec 11 08:02:58 pH5: I applied the del keys liberally on http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/app-office/openoffice/openoffice-2.0.0.ebuild?rev=1.21&view=auto Dec 11 08:02:59 koen: I want it under x/qt under opie which will run in qvfb Dec 11 08:03:17 hrw: because it's FASTER and GPL!!!! Dec 11 08:03:25 LGPL is about stealing!!!!! Dec 11 08:03:42 koen: and qvfb allow me to run mono at same time Dec 11 08:03:47 heh Dec 11 08:04:07 hrw: mono doesn't run on my sl5000, so it must suck Dec 11 08:04:24 koen: oh. forgot Dec 11 08:04:30 trolltech has it's own C#, which be available soon!!!! Dec 11 08:04:45 Dec 11 08:05:03 koen: it will be C$ Dec 11 08:05:14 :) Dec 11 08:09:01 gremlin[it]: the psion netbook linux project runs linux + gpe + OOo on arm Dec 11 08:09:13 they actually ported OOo to arm Dec 11 08:09:22 !!!! ... Dec 11 08:09:23 gremlin[it]: I have no frelling idea! Dec 11 08:09:42 the netbook has >128MB ram iirc Dec 11 08:10:17 mhhh one ipaq have 128M Ram ... and SD card are big now ... Dec 11 08:10:50 it run nice on a pxa 25x @ 400Mhz ? Dec 11 08:11:00 probably not Dec 11 08:11:11 it's slow on my dual 2800+ Dec 11 08:17:39 200MB of bzip'ed data later... Dec 11 08:17:43 ~lart OOo Dec 11 08:17:44 * ibot drops a humongous exploding nuke on OOo Dec 11 08:17:53 koen: gnumeric got OpenDocument support? Dec 11 08:17:59 in cvs Dec 11 08:18:09 wait, that was abiword Dec 11 08:18:22 I think the gnumeric release has OD support Dec 11 08:18:30 at work I use excel format anyway Dec 11 08:19:04 I'm too lazy to build gtk+ for OSX, so I still use MS office for spreadsheets Dec 11 08:19:27 ;) Dec 11 08:19:29 bad bad bad koen ;) Dec 11 08:19:46 I even bought it legally Dec 11 08:20:14 €13 thanks to university license Dec 11 08:20:55 ah that university licenses... Dec 11 08:21:31 i got a NT licence looooong time ago .... but a year later when i switched to Linux M$ sent me a M$-kellogs box ... trying to poisonong me :) :) :) Dec 11 08:21:42 people use M$ stuff which you get 'free' - you will have to pay $$$$ in future Dec 11 08:30:26 why does and *office* suite need PAM? Dec 11 08:30:44 ;) Dec 11 08:31:13 make 3.81.b3 is backward incompatible Dec 11 08:31:32 upgrading is fluff Dec 11 08:31:41 qmake and gcc 2.95.3 are the best Dec 11 08:31:56 and 2.4 kernels Dec 11 08:32:04 2.4.6 ruls Dec 11 08:32:44 "let's make opie better!" "no you can't, because I work for Trolltech and don't want opie to get better than qtopiaaaaagh" Dec 11 08:33:00 qtopiaaaargh Dec 11 08:33:09 that sums up one year of mail on opie-devel Dec 11 08:35:52 time to do some cleaning.. Ania will be back in few h.. Dec 11 08:36:25 I had that on friday Dec 11 08:36:37 I shouldn't make such a mess when working on stuff Dec 11 08:36:49 koen: at friday Ania was in Kraków not in .nl Dec 11 08:36:50 ;) Dec 11 08:36:56 ;) Dec 11 08:38:37 'I've put up a new release 0.47 of Dropbear' Dec 11 08:38:51 This release also fixes a potential security issue, which Dec 11 08:38:51 may allow authenticated users to run arbitrary code as the Dec 11 08:38:52 server user. Dec 11 08:38:59 looks like time to upgrade Dec 11 08:45:28 src package dir: /home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/work/armv5te-linux/openoffice-2.0.0-r0/ooo-build-2.0.0.2/src distro: familiar Dec 11 08:46:13 hi Dec 11 08:46:25 hey obergix[home] Dec 11 09:02:42 koen: seen your answer, and message about server outage... kinda scary ;) Dec 11 09:02:55 'Unpacking OO.o build tree - [ go make some tea ] ...' Dec 11 09:03:43 koen: wouldn't http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/47/4772.html be a good candidate for the topic of this chan ? Dec 11 09:03:48 obergix[home]: scary and a lot of work to fix it Dec 11 09:04:08 aren't P2P VCS supposed to avoid that kind of risks ? Dec 11 09:04:23 * obergix[home] thinks P2P's kind of magic ;) Dec 11 09:05:15 obergix[home]: the issue could have been fixed real easy by deleting the offending cset Dec 11 09:05:33 but monotone hashed everything with SHA1 to prevent people tampering with it Dec 11 09:06:43 koen: maybe the message could be forwarded to openzaurus-devel too ? (I don't think it has been) Dec 11 09:07:58 also some notice in the wiki, maybe ? Dec 11 09:08:59 why? Dec 11 09:09:07 it's been sent to oe@ Dec 11 09:09:26 if people have trouble with OE they should mail to the OE list Dec 11 09:11:23 koen: well... some people are using the wiki even if not subscribed to the list... myself for instance ;) Dec 11 09:11:42 koen: you may have problems without knowing it ;) Dec 11 09:11:59 no, other people may have problems without reporting it Dec 11 09:12:07 and I don't have any problem with that Dec 11 09:13:59 hmmm... I see... so I'd better subscribe to the list... (one more) Dec 11 09:14:19 people like you, who report their problems, are being told how to fix it :) Dec 11 09:16:29 koen: well... quality insurance is about warning, and not only correcting afterwards, but I'm just an outsider ;) Dec 11 09:17:44 true Dec 11 09:17:59 I only do QA on the release branch Dec 11 09:18:05 which was unaffected Dec 11 09:19:45 hmmm... speaking about that... anywhere I can find an explanation of branches : when/what for to use them ? Dec 11 09:20:12 I've only mainly seen directives about main trunk in the wiki Dec 11 09:20:45 there are 3 branches: .dev (for development), .dreambox (for dreambox PVR boxes) and .oz354fam083 (for the oz354 and familiar 0.83 release) Dec 11 09:23:18 koen: ok... I think it would be great to be mentioned in the wiki... mind if I do ? Dec 11 09:32:50 go ahead Dec 11 09:35:49 wtf? Dec 11 09:36:02 the patches included in OOo fail to apply Dec 11 09:38:01 can anybody help me please? Dec 11 09:38:15 why link a self compiled library against libstdc++.so.6? Dec 11 09:38:22 it ist a opie library Dec 11 09:41:33 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DevelopmentBranches added Dec 11 09:44:03 ar_: g++ link to stdc++ by default Dec 11 09:45:14 ar_: use gcc for linking Dec 11 09:45:50 hrw: thx. Dec 11 09:46:16 np Dec 11 09:49:41 who can i set gcc in oe for linking? Dec 11 09:49:48 should it be automatically set to gcc? Dec 11 09:49:57 inherit palmtop set it by default Dec 11 09:50:40 hm. Dec 11 09:52:15 I remember when I was going through all qte stuf in OE and checked Dec 11 09:54:29 hm. ok. i build the lib in an opie environment witch work with a oe setup. Dec 11 09:54:37 i'll check it with pure oe Dec 11 09:55:04 who can i set the opie version to cvs head? Dec 11 09:55:12 s/who/where Dec 11 09:59:05 moment Dec 11 09:59:52 ar_: which distro you build for now? Dec 11 10:00:31 hrw: openzaurus-3.5.4 in dev branch Dec 11 10:00:43 should i go to oz354fam083 branch? Dec 11 10:01:30 ar_: edit openzaurus-3.5.4.conf and change OPIE_VERSION or just remove loading preffered-opie-versions.inc Dec 11 10:01:54 hrw: thx. will try it. Dec 11 10:02:39 ah... /me has updated to clean repository... can startover rebuilding ;) Dec 11 10:05:30 * france is back (gone 37:50:08) Dec 11 10:25:53 http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=4168 ! Dec 11 10:26:09 means a lot of .bb will have to be updated, I think... Dec 11 10:26:24 if it even works with their new CVS setup... Dec 11 10:26:30 can't checkout atm Dec 11 10:28:27 isn't there an alias in bitbake.conf? Dec 11 10:31:05 looks like the cvs pserver is not working at savannah.nongnu ... :( Dec 11 10:31:33 oh yes, sorry, it finally answered... Dec 11 10:32:25 Hi all Dec 11 10:32:45 hey uv1 Dec 11 10:33:18 I am still searching for an initrd example for my x86 image. Any idea, where to look ? Dec 11 10:34:46 iirc the epia image makes a 80MB initrd Dec 11 10:38:15 Cannot find any hint for initrd in epia. Does the kernel possibly provide the initrd during build stage ? Dec 11 10:40:18 an initrd is usually just a gzipped ext2 filesystem Dec 11 10:41:45 koen|770: Sure, but it has to be build. There must be a definition file or so, which at least defines, what goes in... Dec 11 10:42:02 Also the do_initrd command has to be defined soemwhere. Dec 11 10:42:24 in OE you could just back an image and set IMG_FSTYPE=ext2 Dec 11 10:42:35 gzip the result and you have an initrd Dec 11 10:43:37 Who defines, what goes into "back image" command ? And how to define the size ? Dec 11 10:46:14 Sorry koen|tv, have to leave ... Dec 11 10:46:18 Thanks and bye Dec 11 11:24:45 anyone ever seen such error while building gpe-image : ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied Dec 11 11:24:49 ? Dec 11 11:26:03 * france is away: Away Dec 11 11:26:49 you can safely ignore that Dec 11 11:27:32 unless you want ARM stuff on your host Dec 11 11:27:57 koen|770: well... ok, then, it's the next error which stops the build ;) Dec 11 11:28:28 that isn't an error Dec 11 11:28:37 Cannot find package glibc-localedata-i18n Dec 11 11:28:37 it just looks like it Dec 11 11:28:46 that's this one Dec 11 11:31:03 try rebuilding glibc Dec 11 11:31:15 hmmm... ok, thx koen|770 Dec 11 11:48:04 hmmm... looks like it's still there... Dec 11 12:11:39 does it sound coherent a bitbake glibc without error, but nothing named tmp/deploy/ipk/glibc* Dec 11 12:11:46 ? Dec 11 12:13:25 obergix[home]: no. no errors? Dec 11 12:13:47 pH5: not that I can see... Dec 11 12:14:00 pH5: restarting with bitbake -v glibc... Dec 11 12:15:45 re Dec 11 12:15:49 _law_: ping Dec 11 12:17:21 _law_: 2.6.14-rc2-mm1 also does not work with that card Dec 11 12:21:00 ~lart 'takeMS' brand of sd cards Dec 11 12:23:23 ugh Dec 11 12:24:01 why do package use multiple configure stages? Dec 11 12:24:08 yep yep ... Dec 11 12:24:31 ~lart splitnode Dec 11 12:25:48 * ibot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at 'takeMS' brand of sd cards Dec 11 12:27:09 anybody to tell me how to rebuild glibc packages ? Dec 11 12:27:36 bitbake -i Dec 11 12:27:38 parse Dec 11 12:27:41 rebuild glibc Dec 11 12:27:56 NOTE: package openoffice-2.0.0-r0: task do_compile: started Dec 11 12:27:59 finally Dec 11 12:28:09 but it's ugly Dec 11 12:28:29 EXTRA_OECONF has --distro=Gentoo Dec 11 12:28:32 * ibot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets splitnode feel it Dec 11 12:28:44 koen: you are disgusting ;) Dec 11 12:28:50 I know Dec 11 12:29:04 koen: not satisfied until the screenshots are in scap, are you :) Dec 11 12:29:55 koen: thx Dec 11 12:30:02 zecke_: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/openoffice_2.0.0.bb Dec 11 12:30:07 pH5: :) Dec 11 12:30:12 koen: you... gentoofile... Dec 11 12:30:47 * koen is a ricer Dec 11 12:31:18 koen: no --disable-qte? Dec 11 12:32:05 zecke_: I tried to find that option Dec 11 12:32:15 but you know that OOo was designed to be slow Dec 11 12:32:23 opieoffice in 2.1.0 Dec 11 12:32:29 so it can't have an option to 'go faster' Dec 11 12:32:50 zecke_: and OOo is about stealing and not getting paid Dec 11 12:33:03 koen: well the linux port was done by a KDE devel/founder Dec 11 12:33:05 zecke_: and the doesn't run on $ancient pda Dec 11 12:33:11 koen: so it is ueberoptimized already? Dec 11 12:33:14 s/the/the gui/ Dec 11 12:33:14 <_law_> koen: screenshot? Dec 11 12:33:33 It's still building Dec 11 12:33:41 koen: I try to resist and won't say that a iPAQ is a portable home user database Dec 11 12:33:53 koen: and the n770 (even without PIM apps) is a PDA Dec 11 12:34:28 hey kergoth Dec 11 12:34:51 zecke_: the arm port for OOo was done to get it running in GPE Dec 11 12:35:52 koen: who did 'pay' for that? Dec 11 12:36:04 and gentoo port was done to get it included in OE Dec 11 12:36:06 ;) Dec 11 12:36:12 zecke_: psion Dec 11 12:38:50 <_law_> hrw: any news on sd card problem? Dec 11 12:41:49 koen: looks like it's rebuilding OK. Thanks Dec 11 12:48:41 _law_: 2.6.14-rc2-mm1 also does not work with that card Dec 11 12:50:25 debian kernels are highly modular... 89 modules loaded Dec 11 12:56:22 <_law_> is there any mediaplayer which works already with new alsa zaurus stuff? Dec 11 12:56:43 any when you load oss emul Dec 11 12:56:48 if you modprobe snd-pcm-oss Dec 11 12:56:58 old stuff should work Dec 11 12:57:11 any volunteers for upgrading alsa userspace stuff? Dec 11 12:57:34 <_law_> koen: gpe-conf sound dont play test sound Dec 11 12:57:55 weird Dec 11 12:58:03 familiar has been using alsa for years Dec 11 12:58:10 (with snd-pcm-oss) Dec 11 12:58:46 <_law_> koen snd-pcm-oss is loaded and i am member of group audio alsamixer works Dec 11 12:59:13 <_law_> is there another way to test sound Dec 11 12:59:30 aplay? Dec 11 13:00:20 heh Dec 11 13:00:21 checking whether arm-linux-g++ has the enum bug... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling Dec 11 13:00:28 ~lart OOo Dec 11 13:00:28 * ibot whips out his power stapler and staples OOo's foot to the floor Dec 11 13:01:45 and of course: ARNING: cross-compiling by any means is not supported (yet)! Dec 11 13:02:16 hehe Dec 11 13:09:15 * gremlin[it] don't want have ibot as his enemy :) :) : ) Dec 11 13:09:26 <_law_> aplay also doesnt work cant hear anything Dec 11 13:09:33 <_law_> but it looks like it plays Dec 11 13:10:15 _law_: run alsamixer and unmute first Dec 11 13:10:39 linux kernel suprise me... 'pc speaker' is in input devices Dec 11 13:11:02 <_law_> hrw unmute what? Dec 11 13:11:13 _law_: line out Dec 11 13:12:46 <_law_> there is no line out item Dec 11 13:12:56 <_law_> item left and item right? Dec 11 13:14:14 is possible with `apm` command to wakeup ? Dec 11 13:14:45 LCD after a few go in 'suspend' ... how i can wake it up ? Dec 11 13:16:38 hi Dec 11 13:17:14 gremlin[it]: echo 'ciao' >/dev/console? Dec 11 13:17:26 or to /dev/fb0? Dec 11 13:23:39 /dev/console: No such device Dec 11 13:24:41 mhh the other /dev/fb0 or /dev/fb/0 ... seem don't work :( Dec 11 13:33:57 gremlin[it]: you probably need to disable the screensaver with setterm. Dec 11 13:34:33 might have to aim it at /dev/tty1 or some such Dec 11 13:34:44 tty0, even Dec 11 13:36:00 <_law_> is it normal that there is no alsa stuff in /etc ? Dec 11 13:36:47 I suppose that depends on your circumstance. Dec 11 13:37:04 it'd certainly be normal if you don't have the alsa tools installed. Dec 11 13:37:45 pb_ mhh but which is the tty linked with fb ??? Dec 11 13:37:58 tty0 Dec 11 13:38:03 ok Dec 11 13:38:59 ok first experiment with the micro issuing an interrup to sa1110 ... hang ipaq :/ ... let start :) Dec 11 13:39:06 heh Dec 11 13:40:04 <_law_> pb_ do i need alsa tools? Dec 11 13:40:15 _law_: I suspect only you can answer that question. Dec 11 13:40:24 heh Dec 11 13:40:39 <_law_> pb_: do play sounds :-) Dec 11 13:40:45 some opie user just sent me some hatemail because opie doesn't work on the hx4700 Dec 11 13:40:59 _law_: no; you can use the oss emulation Dec 11 13:41:10 that user should give back his hx4700 immediately Dec 11 13:41:24 koen: yesterday someone asked on #opie how to get it working on hx4700 Dec 11 13:41:48 <_law_> pb_: snd_pcm_oss is loaded but i dont hear anything Dec 11 13:42:00 _law_: that is unfortunate. maybe your volume is set to zero. Dec 11 13:42:17 or maybe the program you are using to play the file is defective. Dec 11 13:42:33 <_law_> pb_: which volume? unmuted everything in alsamixer Dec 11 13:42:54 <_law_> test the alert.wav in /usr/share/sounds/gaim Dec 11 13:42:59 /we lack ${incdir}? Dec 11 13:43:14 _law_: it might be better to use the oss mixer. I'm not sure exactly how the alsa one interacts with oss output. Dec 11 13:44:33 <_law_> pb_: oss mixer? how can i call it? in gpe-conf sound the volume is at 100% Dec 11 13:45:01 I forget what it's called. gpe-mixer or something, I guess. Dec 11 13:45:06 hrw: the number for the event device changed, so the ts doesn't work Dec 11 13:45:15 hrw: like I predicted *months* ago Dec 11 13:45:38 I forwarded it to opie-devel Dec 11 13:46:14 koen: we need udev rules for /dev/input/ts /dev/input/keyboard Dec 11 13:46:30 that too Dec 11 13:46:43 but hardcoding event is broken Dec 11 13:48:17 someone want to test alsa 1.0.10? Dec 11 13:48:54 koen: kick vanille... Dec 11 13:49:15 <_law_> pb_: if i look at the sound-applet the volume is at 100% Dec 11 13:49:28 _law_: and the pcm output as well? Dec 11 13:49:32 "volume" is just the master volume. Dec 11 13:50:03 55 RDEPENDS_alsa-utils += "${ALSA_PACKAGES}" Dec 11 13:50:05 hrw: done Dec 11 13:50:08 its ivil Dec 11 13:50:23 <_law_> pb_: dont know where i can change this Dec 11 13:50:39 alsa-utils should not depend on kernel modules Dec 11 13:50:50 _law_: it should be in the mixer. Dec 11 13:52:07 koen: I'll push to ewi - vanille does not like me Dec 11 13:52:21 <_law_> pb_ there is an audio mixer, but there is only a microphone icon, there i am not able to turn off the volume Dec 11 13:52:43 ah. Dec 11 13:52:43 <_law_> always jumps back to 0% Dec 11 13:53:01 sounds like either the mixer or the kernel is malfunctioning. Dec 11 13:53:36 sadly this is about the limit of my alsa knowledge. You might need to take it up with the k3rn3l h4x0rs. Dec 11 13:53:59 thats remind me gpe backlight control on collie which always goes to 0% Dec 11 13:54:50 <_law_> does anyone have an sl-760 with kernel 2.6.15-rc5 with working alsa sound? Dec 11 13:54:59 _law_: not yet Dec 11 13:55:25 <_law_> hrw: same problem? Dec 11 13:56:38 _law_: no - due to card problems I didnt upgraded Dec 11 13:57:00 <_law_> hrw: ah okay Dec 11 13:58:21 <_law_> hrw what was the last kernel which works with your sd card? Dec 11 13:59:11 <_law_> did you also get the (unrecognised SCR structure version) error? Dec 11 14:03:03 _law_: no - that card is recognised, partition table is read, partition mounted but soon goes random i/o errors Dec 11 14:07:53 20:57 < koen> any volunteers for upgrading alsa userspace stuff Dec 11 14:08:04 CIA-2: ALSA upgraded to 1.0.10 (lib, oss, tools, utils) Dec 11 14:08:17 yay! Dec 11 14:08:23 koen: untested Dec 11 14:08:36 testing is fluff Dec 11 14:08:58 koen: btw - alsa-dev contain includes now, not only pkg-config file Dec 11 14:09:46 nice Dec 11 14:11:53 alsa-tools are broken still Dec 11 14:14:12 at what point do they break? Dec 11 14:14:54 during normal build at install - probably wrong S or sth Dec 11 14:14:56 cu Dec 11 14:15:02 Ania arrived Dec 11 14:29:05 <_law_> n8 Dec 11 14:37:22 good night Dec 11 14:50:50 good night Dec 11 15:51:43 * Philippe is away: visual contact - dreamland Dec 11 16:38:22 * france is back (gone 05:12:18) Dec 11 16:40:12 * france is away: Away Dec 11 19:35:16 * france is back (gone 02:55:04) Dec 11 20:32:28 * france is away: Away Dec 12 00:03:38 NOTE: Fetch cvs://anoncvs:@savannah.nongnu.org/cvsroot/quilt;method=ext;rsh=ssh;module=quilt;tag=VER_0_42 Dec 12 00:03:38 CVS moved to cvs.savannah.[non]gnu.org Dec 12 00:03:38 Check http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=4168 for details. Dec 12 00:03:38 Anonymous access over SSH is replaced by the (more efficient) pserver. Dec 12 00:03:38 cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) Dec 12 00:03:49 Anyone looking into that? If not, I'll take a look at it ... Dec 12 00:04:24 Looks like replacing the SRC_URI with "cvs://anoncvs@cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/cvsroot/quilt;method=pserver;module=quilt ...." works ... Dec 12 01:37:19 hi Dec 12 01:40:39 morning all Dec 12 01:41:45 hi RP Dec 12 01:42:36 good morning all Dec 12 01:42:41 Reading back, I see sound is causing chaos :) Dec 12 01:42:46 morning koen Dec 12 01:42:56 hey RP Dec 12 01:43:17 morning Dec 12 01:43:33 morning dirk Dec 12 01:44:01 hi richard Dec 12 01:44:25 ~kill kwallet so-called-developers Dec 12 01:44:27 * ibot shoots a super-inverse fluxquark gun at kwallet so-called-developers Dec 12 01:44:32 hmm. this connection is a bit laggy... Dec 12 01:47:36 rwhitby: I filed a bug for it: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523 Dec 12 01:57:05 <_law_> morning all Dec 12 01:59:04 hey _law_ Dec 12 02:03:20 morning law Dec 12 02:06:55 morning Dec 12 02:07:04 hey XorA Dec 12 02:07:22 morning XorA Dec 12 02:07:30 ~kill morons which wrote kwallet Dec 12 02:07:32 * ibot shoots a inverse pseudograviton gun at morons which wrote kwallet Dec 12 02:07:52 some people should not get compiler into hands Dec 12 02:11:17 sweet Dec 12 02:11:23 someone wrote a cpan.bbclass Dec 12 02:14:38 ahhrg. mallum's pugs.... Dec 12 02:15:28 hrw|work: :-D Dec 12 02:16:04 morning all Dec 12 02:16:35 hey ade|desk Dec 12 02:18:59 koen: you still turning on access one by one? Dec 12 02:19:28 XorA: yes Dec 12 02:19:43 koen: Im on clean.db and just pulled from ewi with no errors Dec 12 02:20:30 activated Dec 12 02:21:11 almost 25% of our devs have reactivated their key Dec 12 02:21:37 koen: well give it a couple of weeks to account for hols and that'll be a good measure of still active devs Dec 12 02:22:54 yeah Dec 12 02:30:44 hrw|work: you don't need to use kwallet ... :-) Dec 12 02:31:20 schurig: I know Dec 12 02:31:48 schurig: but why each new release of kde needs tweaking, checking, umbaumbaumba I dont know Dec 12 02:31:59 hi Dec 12 02:32:02 kde devels..... argh Dec 12 02:32:13 hey zecke Dec 12 02:32:23 hrw|work: 'NIH' Dec 12 02:32:29 ke? Dec 12 02:32:37 Not Invented Here Dec 12 02:33:06 hrw|work: hmm not sure what you mean. I've switch from self-compiled KDE, to Debians 3.4.2, to Debians 3.4.3 and now to the pkg-kde 3.5.0 Debian ones and never had any issue with KWallet. Works correctly in Konqueror and KMail, just as expected. Dec 12 02:33:50 schurig: here with debian 3.4.2/3.4.3/3.5.0 it sometimes decide to forgot all passwords. now it forgot on start Dec 12 02:34:00 schurig: but thats more for #kde then #oe Dec 12 02:34:19 hrw|work: yeah. And you should file a bug report, otherwise this bug will stay for good Dec 12 02:34:30 schurig: reported long time ago Dec 12 02:39:15 hrw|work: my mom had that as well... Dec 12 02:39:25 KWallet Integration is broken by... Dec 12 02:40:14 hrw|work: you might be lucky that the file is still present and kded simply hangs Dec 12 02:41:24 zecke: kded hangs? I have 4 KCrash windows from kded Dec 12 02:41:44 hrw|work: oh Dec 12 02:41:50 7 Dec 12 02:42:12 hrw|work: I have not seen that. Try disabling some kded modules with kcontrol Dec 12 02:43:25 hostap 0.4.7 Dec 12 02:43:33 the neverending upgrade path Dec 12 02:45:27 zecke: fscking 'kat' tool Dec 12 02:45:54 never tried that ;) Dec 12 02:46:06 I have spotlight for that Dec 12 02:46:08 zecke: avoid Dec 12 02:46:51 zecke: spotlight? Dec 12 02:47:15 hrw|work: OS X search engine Dec 12 02:47:20 ah. Dec 12 02:47:51 hrw|work: my desktop is currently mostly OS X (using native Qt and KDE apps) Dec 12 02:52:03 <_law_> koen, have you installed hostap 0.4.7 ? my hostap stuff also doesnt work Dec 12 02:52:25 <_law_> with 2.6.15-rc5 and sl-760 Dec 12 02:52:51 _law_: not yet, but the hh.org kernel include them so I might give them a try Dec 12 02:58:47 mickey|tv: how's the pull for the ciabot coming along? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 12 02:59:57 2005