**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 31 03:00:44 2005 Dec 31 03:01:24 reenoo_: BTW I did manage the pcmcia-manager problem this morning. Downloaded OE.db.bz2, checked out, pulled, updated (no probs) and then had to build pcmcia-cs, task-bootstrap and opie-image. Thanks for your hints yesterday ;-) Dec 31 03:14:02 uv1: no problem. glad to hear it's working for you now. Dec 31 03:42:08 tmp. Dec 31 05:00:52 Can anyone lead me to a x86 distro that supports opie ? Dec 31 05:31:40 uv1: none i guess. the Opie debian packages are outdatet Dec 31 05:34:07 zecke: What are the opie debian packages ? Are that (all) opie *.deb`s ? Dec 31 05:36:02 uv1: they are from 2002 or such Dec 31 05:36:13 uv1: they won't give you pleasure at all Dec 31 05:50:18 oh my god... case insensitive file systems... Dec 31 07:40:21 A happy new year to you all, "Guten Rutsch", see you next year ;-) Dec 31 07:45:46 uv1: happy new year to you, too Dec 31 07:50:29 uv1: cya! Dec 31 07:50:37 uv1: what is the state of your rpm patch? Dec 31 07:50:54 uv1: do we need to commit anything? Dec 31 07:51:19 mithro: we need to get my SHARK running now! Dec 31 07:52:52 heh Dec 31 07:52:53 zecke: Nothing new yet. Did not have time to do that in pyton. Willi care for next year. If you aare happy with the bash/ash commands, you can commit that patch. It works for me since weeks ... Dec 31 07:53:00 zecke: did you ever manage to track down any dnard firmware? Dec 31 07:54:12 pb_: a friend of mine gave me his copy Dec 31 07:54:20 pb_: are you looking for firmware as well? Dec 31 07:54:32 aha. no, I don't have any sharks myself. Dec 31 07:54:54 just curious about the disposition of yours. Dec 31 07:55:53 pb_: I have given one to the Uni. and mine is mostly powered off :( Dec 31 07:57:44 zecke: where is your SHARK? Dec 31 07:57:51 mithro: upstairs Dec 31 07:58:56 ah, you chose not to install it under a hidden trap-door in the floor. Dec 31 08:44:27 pb_: readelf is part of binutils as well? Dec 31 08:51:28 die glib die Dec 31 08:51:33 glibc even Dec 31 08:51:51 * zecke hands AC_CHECK_TOOL to glibc Dec 31 08:52:20 zecke: yeah Dec 31 08:53:21 glibc checks for .init_array, .finit_array using readelf Dec 31 08:53:31 well it does not check if I have readelf at all Dec 31 08:53:48 let's moveall to ulibc ;) Dec 31 08:53:54 oh, right Dec 31 08:54:02 I guess it should use TARGET_SYS-readelf Dec 31 08:54:54 CHECK_TOOL would use powerpc-readelf? not arm-linux- Dec 31 08:55:08 not sure Dec 31 08:55:22 experimentation might be the order of the day there Dec 31 08:55:27 http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_node/autoconf_41.html#SEC41 Dec 31 08:55:35 yeah I will test Dec 31 08:56:11 * zecke always mixes host, target and other things up Dec 31 08:58:06 aha! Dec 31 08:58:18 at last, gij works. Dec 31 08:58:25 pb@kuat:~/gcj-4.0-4.0.2/build/arm-linux-gnu/libjava$ ./.libs/gij hello Dec 31 08:58:25 Hello crazy world of Java Dec 31 08:58:25 pb@kuat:~/gcj-4.0-4.0.2/build/arm-linux-gnu/libjava$ Dec 31 08:58:33 I'll now be known as javamaster for a short time. Dec 31 09:01:02 pb_: it is locked in the archives forever ;) Dec 31 09:01:34 Happy New Year Dec 31 09:01:46 zecke: heh Dec 31 09:03:52 AC_CHECK_PROG(readelf, $READELF) would work? to find 'readelf' right? Dec 31 09:04:27 I suspect that "$" is spurious, but other than that it looks right Dec 31 09:04:42 | mkdir /usr/local/lib/perl: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 112 Dec 31 09:04:58 is libxml-parser-perl-native supposed to install something into /usr/local/lib/perl? Dec 31 09:06:43 pb_: I will stil it from the size_of patch Dec 31 09:06:47 *wuhhahaaa* Dec 31 09:07:52 ph5 mhh i got a simil erroro in past ... mhhh i resolved setting perl-something as already present ... Dec 31 09:08:41 mhh not 'already present' ... but present in the host system :) Dec 31 09:09:17 gremlin[it]: I just did this too, but it's just working around the issue ;) Dec 31 09:09:26 ahh ok :) Dec 31 10:05:26 Ciao all Dec 31 10:05:33 pb_: congrats on gij! Dec 31 10:05:37 ciao piggy Dec 31 10:08:13 zecke, you around ? Dec 31 10:12:19 reenoo_: heh, thanks Dec 31 10:12:36 gij ? Dec 31 10:13:48 yeah, gcc's java bytecode interpreter Dec 31 10:13:58 wow..... really nice. Dec 31 10:17:55 I guess it'd be amusing to see whether the same ffi bits will also make pnet/gtk# work. Dec 31 10:19:15 pb_: fyi, if you want to make it official I can post it on planet.classpath.org. Dec 31 10:34:22 bbl Dec 31 10:34:38 * Pigi|afk is away: I'm busy Dec 31 10:34:42 ciao Pigi !!! Dec 31 10:34:45 buon anno Dec 31 10:35:04 ciao gremlin[it] , un meraviglioso 2006 a te :) Dec 31 10:35:37 grazie anche a te :) Dec 31 10:41:34 ciao piggy happy new year Dec 31 10:49:16 woglinde: hey Dec 31 10:51:33 pb_: can you perhaps think of any way to track down why the alsa drivers would fail to work unless the modules are loaded after all other modules? Dec 31 10:53:02 reenoo_: not offhand. what's the failure? Dec 31 10:54:34 pb_: no sound output IIRC Dec 31 10:55:41 that is odd. is this on h3800? Dec 31 10:55:57 yes Dec 31 10:56:15 and no errors in dmesg or anything like that? Dec 31 10:56:37 I'll try to reproduce it now Dec 31 10:56:38 I guess the first thing to try would be to poke at the control registers with devmem2 to see if the audio power is actually turned on and that kind of thing. Dec 31 10:57:48 reenoo_: It's also possible that your outputs are muted. This can be checked with alsamixer Dec 31 10:59:33 lrg|home: no shit Dec 31 11:01:19 reenoo_: I'm not trying to be funny. I've done this myself before, esp when there are lots of mixers on the card. Dec 31 11:04:58 reenoo_, pb_: fwiw, if you can hear a pop when the audio modules are loaded it usually means your codec or amp has power and output lines have been raised to vmid. Dec 31 11:08:45 lrg|home: well. unless you have an sa ipaq around I guess you'll have to trust my analysis. fwiw, this is not the first time I work with alsa. Dec 31 11:09:46 reenoo_: where are the sources to the alsa-driver kept these days? Are the ones in cvs still current? Dec 31 11:10:18 reenoo_: sorry, wasn't doubting your analysis. just trying to suggest more common reasons for failure. Dec 31 11:10:29 reenoo_ forme alsa not compile ;( ... (jpaq h3600) Dec 31 11:10:29 pb_: SRC_URI = "ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/packages/alsa-driver/alsa-driver-${PV}.tar.gz Dec 31 11:10:36 thanks Dec 31 11:10:40 can you give me a clue about PV? Dec 31 11:10:50 0.9.6-hh4c Dec 31 11:10:58 plus a few patches in OE it seems Dec 31 11:11:32 okay Dec 31 11:11:45 I'll have a look at the code in the tarball and see if anything seems to be grievously wrong with it Dec 31 11:12:40 gremlin[it]: that is unfortunate. works fine in .dev and oz354fam083 for me. but I guess you may be working with a 2.6 kernel. Dec 31 11:12:47 pb_: thanks Dec 31 11:13:19 ~stab gentoo Dec 31 11:13:22 yes 2.6 kerne ... Dec 31 11:13:25 * ibot runs at gentoo with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Dec 31 11:14:08 stupid bt module wasn't autoloaded again. and I wonder why I can't establish a connection :/ Dec 31 11:16:28 well, it looks like the sa11xx-uda1341 driver does do most of its initialisation at load time, rather than when the device is opened. So I guess some other module must be clobbering the hardware state that it sets up. Dec 31 11:17:02 iirc, the oss driver is the other way round: it does pretty much everything when open() is called. So that might explain why the problem only occurs with alsa. Dec 31 11:17:45 as for what the particular thing is that's going wrong, the only way to figure that out is probably to try different orderings until you can figure out which particular module is responsible for the problem. Dec 31 11:20:46 Happy New Year to all. cu next year. Dec 31 11:22:59 yeah, I guessed as much. just thought you might have an obvious candidate for the module at fault or something Dec 31 11:23:22 there's nothing obviously wrong in dmesg Dec 31 11:23:37 no, sorry. could be pretty much anything. Dec 31 11:23:39 (other than tons of alignment traps in rxvt) Dec 31 11:23:56 madplay is reporting an I/O error Dec 31 11:30:24 hail mickeyl Dec 31 11:32:18 hi mickeyl Dec 31 11:32:27 reenoo_: oh, hm, I wonder where that's coming from. There aren't all that many places that you can get -EIO without an accompanying complaint in dmesg. Dec 31 11:32:52 hi guys!# Dec 31 11:32:57 everything prepared? :) Dec 31 11:33:20 hey mickeyl Dec 31 11:35:25 hmm. now devfs won't create device nodes. Dec 31 11:38:00 * reenoo_ gives up for now. seems like this is just not my day. Dec 31 11:38:15 pb_: thanks for your help Dec 31 11:38:42 Guten Rutsch reenoo_afk Dec 31 11:39:10 mickeyl: dir auch. und feier schoen. Dec 31 11:39:14 yep Dec 31 11:39:14 afk for real now Dec 31 11:39:18 cu Dec 31 11:39:37 later all Dec 31 11:40:06 tschau renoo guten rutsch Dec 31 11:47:23 woglinde, hast du mal kurz zeit und nerven ? Dec 31 11:48:05 so whats your problem? Dec 31 11:48:18 please not in english Dec 31 11:48:27 then querry Dec 31 11:50:49 query geht nicht spam Dec 31 11:50:58 args sorry Dec 31 11:51:06 damned Dec 31 11:51:11 join #nixistdoof Dec 31 11:51:12 then join opie.de Dec 31 14:13:56 guys, I would like to wish a happy new year to everyone. Dec 31 14:14:04 See you next year ;) Dec 31 14:14:51 hey Dec 31 14:36:46 glibc vs. zecke Dec 31 14:36:54 0xffff vs. 0xffff+1 Dec 31 14:39:11 heh Dec 31 14:40:52 I've glibc almost building Dec 31 14:41:39 and then it stopped building Dec 31 15:09:07 zecke: how frustrating Dec 31 15:12:11 pb_: readelf issue is fixed Dec 31 15:12:20 pb_: now 'as' barfs Dec 31 15:12:59 arm/sysdep.S:30: Error: bad instruction `asm_global_directive ___syscall_error Dec 31 15:16:51 that sounds like another autoconf malfunction Dec 31 15:17:06 I'm guessing that you are meant to have "#define asm_global_directive .globl" somewhere. Dec 31 15:17:53 pb_: smells like another binutils issue ;) Dec 31 15:18:06 pb_: at least my Shark can execute the test case (userspace) Dec 31 15:20:24 anything in config.log? Dec 31 15:21:48 pb_: nothing too interesting. the test with .globl compiles Dec 31 15:23:35 does your config.h have the right definition in? Dec 31 15:25:28 pb_: fyi, I now see the same behaviour with alsa as Paul Eggleton reported. needs a suspend/resume cycle to make the driver work Dec 31 15:25:56 reenoo_: yeah, suspend/resume will reinitialise the driver Dec 31 15:26:05 pb_: suprisingly it is not present ;) Dec 31 15:26:44 pb_: I have | #define ASM_GLOBAL_DIRECTIVE .globl Dec 31 15:26:47 | #define HAVE_ASM_SET_DIRECTIVE 1 Dec 31 15:26:50 in the config.log Dec 31 15:27:09 but not in config.h? that is unfortunate. Dec 31 15:28:33 pb_: ../temp/log.do_configure.13266:autoheader: warning: missing template: ASM_GLOBAL_DIRECTIVE Dec 31 15:28:50 pb_: that sounds like a possible cause? Dec 31 15:28:58 it does rather Dec 31 15:29:07 I think that means that autoheader thinks your config.h.in is faulty Dec 31 15:29:23 yeah. it does. Dec 31 15:30:13 * reenoo_ remembers writing hundreds of templates to make fltk work. *shudder* Dec 31 15:31:16 ah, nasty Dec 31 15:43:29 pb_: I'm looking at sa11xx_uda1341_pm_callback() in alsa-driver-0.9.6-hh4c/alsa-kernel/arm/sa11xx-uda1341.c now. is that the right place? Dec 31 15:43:58 (to figure out what's happening during suspend/resume) Dec 31 15:46:16 reenoo_: yeah Dec 31 15:50:38 ok, cool. will continue next year. time to prepare some fireworks stuff now >:) Dec 31 15:50:44 later all Dec 31 15:50:48 enjoy Dec 31 16:03:51 pb_: remember the times with nfsroot on 10mbit half duplex links? Dec 31 16:04:11 pb_: how fast was loading 'sh'? Dec 31 16:07:52 with libc cached? pretty fast, maybe around half a second. Dec 31 16:20:44 it is sitting there for minutes without transfering a single packet Dec 31 16:21:11 I suppose that's what we call "crashed" Dec 31 16:22:03 pb_: well a light is blinking... Dec 31 16:23:03 well userspace is overrated anyway Dec 31 16:24:00 pb_: the kernel is still running. maybe my console is on serial... Dec 31 16:25:35 ah, heh Dec 31 16:25:40 can you ping the machine over the network? Dec 31 16:26:16 I won't say yes, I will not deny though Dec 31 16:26:30 but I have not seen the request for sh on ethereal Dec 31 16:31:47 28 minutes to the leap second Dec 31 16:31:57 happy new year everybody Dec 31 16:32:07 heh Dec 31 16:32:10 happy new year Dec 31 16:32:19 not for 5.5 hours here Dec 31 16:32:30 but happy new year to you anyway :) Dec 31 16:32:44 pb_: could a missing inittab explain a missing console? Dec 31 16:32:52 yeah Dec 31 16:32:54 ;) Dec 31 16:32:59 init will just sulk if it doesn't have an inittab Dec 31 16:33:03 hmm stupid debootsratp Dec 31 16:33:18 Crofton: the joy of timezone differences ;) Dec 31 16:34:46 reenoo_: any useful tv program? Dec 31 16:35:33 zecke: don't think so Dec 31 16:35:44 zecke: not until now anyway Dec 31 16:36:28 I am getting set up to video tape the leap second Dec 31 16:36:30 9Live,DSF and VOX probably offer the best program currently Dec 31 16:36:39 but that is quite of frustrating Dec 31 16:36:50 heh Dec 31 16:44:38 bluelightning: hey Dec 31 16:44:43 bluelightning: happy new year Dec 31 16:44:52 bluelightning: got a second? ;) Dec 31 16:45:10 hi zecke Dec 31 16:45:14 zecke: happy new year to you also ::) Dec 31 16:45:16 zecke: sure Dec 31 16:45:34 bluelightning: did Armin mail you about a OpenSync account? Dec 31 16:45:48 zecke: yes he did Dec 31 16:46:02 bluelightning: do you feel like comitting your wip? Dec 31 16:46:18 I haven't got around to checking anything significant in yet... I was planning on doing some work & committing over the break (I go back to work on the 9th) Dec 31 16:46:19 or did you do that already? Dec 31 16:46:31 if you don't mind broken code in svn I can commit what I have now Dec 31 16:46:42 ah that sounds good (work) Dec 31 16:46:55 I do not mind it. would have to check with armin though Dec 31 16:47:01 ok Dec 31 16:47:53 bluelightning: I'm sure he won't mind. And I have some time scheduled for the plugin as wel Dec 31 16:48:01 so I might join you with hacking/testing Dec 31 16:48:40 zecke: great :) Dec 31 16:49:48 I haven't got very far really... it brings contact data across from Opie but it doesn't recognise changes properly or write them back to Opie yet... and I haven't really even started on calendar/todos yet Dec 31 16:52:30 bluelightning: well the finding changes could come free with OpenSync Dec 31 16:53:18 pb_: I feel dumb. What when I see the console on booting. and I have init=/bin/sh in the cmdline Dec 31 16:53:28 pb_: it should give me a console?! Dec 31 16:53:42 zecke: yeah, I think I'm just not making the right calls for it to work yet Dec 31 16:53:43 pb_: and it should be visible on the screen Dec 31 17:05:04 zecke: yeah Dec 31 17:26:13 oh, fun. reloading the alsa modules broke devfs again and locked the machine up on suspend Dec 31 17:36:39 happy new year all Dec 31 17:36:48 woglinde: happy new year Dec 31 17:37:01 Happy new year folks! :) Dec 31 17:37:37 happy new year, woglinde Dec 31 17:37:40 happy new year, Twiun Dec 31 17:38:08 damn it the new year begns wit headaches Dec 31 17:38:33 by all Dec 31 17:45:38 pb_: should I generate you a monotone key, send it to koen and send you the database? Dec 31 18:43:48 'night all Jan 01 02:49:35 is there a web interface where i can see the latest bb files ? Jan 01 02:50:33 i found a problem in setpwc from openslug, want to see if its fixed in oe Jan 01 02:51:48 i remember something exist with bk i don't know now with monotone Jan 01 02:52:00 try to look if there is something on the wiki Jan 01 02:56:56 i guess i may as well download oe Jan 01 02:57:29 Happy new Year to all, and 'morning all Jan 01 02:58:59 happy new year **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 01 02:59:57 2006