**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 21 02:59:56 2006 Jan 21 03:00:15 will do Jan 21 03:01:11 guess there wasn't a PR bump on that lib then? Jan 21 03:01:42 that doesn't help if 0.107 was built already :( Jan 21 03:01:49 ouch Jan 21 03:02:03 * CoreDump|home aborts compile Jan 21 03:02:31 0.107 works ok on the device, but breaks the build Jan 21 03:02:37 +mhentges@oe-akita-head:..edded/tmp.354/deploy/ipk >lgrep widg Jan 21 03:02:37 libgpewidget1_0.106-r0_armv5te.ipk Jan 21 03:02:48 CoreDump|home: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded/.message/ae1dc Jan 21 03:02:49 guess I was lucky heh Jan 21 03:03:24 CoreDump|home: 0.107 is the version you actually want to install. It seems that the .bb file for that one is busted, though, so you need to either fix it or use 0.106 for compiling. Jan 21 03:03:55 NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r19: task do_rootfs: started Jan 21 03:03:57 yay! Jan 21 03:04:20 NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (2207/2891) [76 %] boooo Jan 21 03:05:03 JustinP: any news on the e-image front? =) Jan 21 03:08:27 ~lart osb-nrcore Jan 21 03:08:27 * ibot blames osb-nrcore for all the evil in the world Jan 21 03:13:12 03nail 07org.oe.dev * rc1cd7b6a... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add memtester package to slugos feed Jan 21 03:13:32 about kernel modules , they have to me listed all or there is some sort of auto dependency check ? and is one module one package ? Jan 21 03:14:34 there is some sort of auto dependency check; and yes, one module is (generally) one package Jan 21 03:16:21 thnaks pb__ :) Jan 21 03:21:31 I managed a gpe build from .dev yesterday without hitting issues with libgpewidget 0.107.. Jan 21 03:21:57 RP: .dev has a newer pkgconfig Jan 21 03:22:17 koen: s/newer/hacked/ ;-) Jan 21 03:22:33 good morning Jan 21 03:22:43 hey Y0shiZ Jan 21 03:22:51 hi Y0shiZ Jan 21 03:23:43 nice place you have here, someone needs coffee? Jan 21 03:37:05 * CoreDump|home boots GPE Jan 21 03:37:25 splash screen has wrong rotation Jan 21 03:37:39 on akita? Jan 21 03:37:42 yep Jan 21 03:38:02 iirc someone fixed it for 2.6 thus breaking it for 2.4 Jan 21 03:38:08 sigh Jan 21 03:38:13 ~lart someone Jan 21 03:38:14 * ibot makes a balloon animal out of someone Jan 21 03:38:21 which package is that? Jan 21 03:38:28 gpe-bootsplash Jan 21 03:38:37 ty, will have a look Jan 21 03:40:48 hmm, I understand that this is only a problem on first-boot, but there should be _some_ progress indicator. Looks like frozen / crashed if you don't know that you have to wait a few minuted. Jan 21 03:42:52 familiar has it's own bootsplash saying 'Booting, please wait' Jan 21 03:43:28 is there a reason that's not on OZ, too? Jan 21 03:43:48 no one bothered to make an svg logo for OZ Jan 21 03:44:00 eww svg Jan 21 03:44:47 or png, gpe-bootsplash can handle both Jan 21 03:44:57 hmm Jan 21 03:46:12 everything is looking good so far except, the terminal on task-bar menu need way bigger fonts. And the task-bar clock's position is bugged Jan 21 03:46:25 s/on/and Jan 21 03:48:30 terminal fonts can be set bigger, but you need to logout/login for that to take effect. as for the task-bar menu fonts: the themes need to set MenuFont in theme.desktop to something reasonable Jan 21 03:48:44 none of them set it by default... Jan 21 03:49:48 morning Jan 21 03:49:54 <_law_> hi Jan 21 03:50:05 hi hrw Jan 21 03:50:46 do we want OPIE bugreports moved to opie bugtracker? rather yes. so should I mark such bugs as INVALID and ask to report it in OPIE BT? Jan 21 03:50:51 hi hrw / _law_ Jan 21 03:51:05 johnX: hm, that's odd. It ought to come from the Gtk/FontName xsetting if the theme doesn't set it. Jan 21 03:51:27 on the terminal or the menu? Jan 21 03:51:28 and, that being the case, it is desirable for the themes _not_ to set it, since xsettings are easier to twiddle at runtime. Jan 21 03:51:34 the menu Jan 21 03:51:45 well let me test again... Jan 21 03:51:46 the terminal is different; rxvt itself really needs patching to fix that up. Jan 21 03:52:22 rxvt's default font is chosen to fit a tolerable amount of text on a 240x320 screen, which does mean it winds up ludicrously small on 640x480. Jan 21 03:52:42 ~lart trolltech for gcc 1.4 Jan 21 03:52:42 * ibot pours gasoline all over trolltech, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze for gcc 1.4 Jan 21 03:53:52 it isn't totally obvious what the right answer is to the rxvt business. The easiest thing is probably to make it use xsettings again, and install some logic in the session somewhere to select a reasonable default font size based on screen resolution. Jan 21 03:54:29 fonts are definitely very small in the menu by default (maybe 3-5 pixels high?) Jan 21 03:55:12 does "xst write Gtk/FontName str Sans 40" change them at all? Jan 21 03:56:19 no Jan 21 03:56:24 drat Jan 21 03:56:40 maybe matchbox-panel is built with xsettings turned off Jan 21 03:57:21 though on the brighter side, GPE seems to act more "aware" of what the DPI of the xserver is Jan 21 03:57:49 so a size 8-12 font should be fairly sane default for 240x320 and 640x480... Jan 21 04:00:26 * CoreDump|home just triggered the resume bug in GPE Jan 21 04:00:36 what's the "resume bug"? Jan 21 04:00:41 what kernel? Jan 21 04:00:54 kernel 2.4 not resuming from suspend with GPE Jan 21 04:01:07 oh, right, that bug Jan 21 04:01:08 lets see if X is at fault Jan 21 04:01:32 * CoreDump|home boots into GUI-less mode Jan 21 04:01:33 I'm pretty sure the kernel is at fault, not X. Jan 21 04:01:47 well, suspend/resume works with Opie Jan 21 04:01:57 gotta be something GPE specific Jan 21 04:02:03 user vs root? Jan 21 04:02:06 sure, but that doesn't tell you who is at fault. Jan 21 04:02:08 maybe Jan 21 04:02:19 is this on a cxk? Jan 21 04:02:29 it's entirely possible X is doing something that causes the kernel to go wrong, but that's still a bug in the kernel rather than X. Jan 21 04:02:31 CoreDump|home: akita? Jan 21 04:02:32 c1k Jan 21 04:02:35 yeah Jan 21 04:02:44 try running apm --suspend as root Jan 21 04:02:53 CoreDump|home: bug #496 iirc Jan 21 04:03:13 pb__: I'm not interested in assigning blame to something. I'm looking for a fix =) Jan 21 04:03:30 sudo apm -s Jan 21 04:03:32 CoreDump|home: well, the first step in finding a fix is to establish where the fault lies. Jan 21 04:03:39 meh not altboot on NFS image Jan 21 04:03:52 not the fault, the cause Jan 21 04:03:58 that can be two things Jan 21 04:04:16 the cause can be many things, but the appropriate response is to identify which of them is a fault, and fix that one. Jan 21 04:04:53 we went round this countless times with a similar issue on collie; disabling X's apm code just because it happens to tickle a zaurus kernel bug is not an appropriate "fix" for that problem. Jan 21 04:05:28 hail zecke Jan 21 04:05:36 as you said, the "cause" could be a pretty normal piece of code which triggers a bug in the kernel. Find the code = good way to track down kernel bug I believe? Jan 21 04:05:47 pb__: same was on poodle/tosa Jan 21 04:05:59 and in 2.4.20 sharp used the same code for apm.. Jan 21 04:06:25 CoreDump|home: I could give you patch for apm in 2.4.20 for testing. does not know will it help anyway Jan 21 04:06:37 sure Jan 21 04:06:43 * hrw builds qtopia 2.2 Jan 21 04:07:25 CoreDump|home: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/sharp-cxx00-unbork_apm.diff Jan 21 04:07:49 CoreDump|home: its port of poodle/tosa fix which was ported from collie fix Jan 21 04:07:53 hrw: thanks! Will try that today Jan 21 04:08:43 * hrw will not buy another PSU with fanspeed autocontrolled Jan 21 04:10:31 I got one as Christmas gift - machine started to be unstable Jan 21 04:10:47 hmm OZ accepts one-letter user passwords heh Jan 21 04:11:20 CoreDump|home: not OZ - dropbear Jan 21 04:11:35 nope, I'm working locally Jan 21 04:12:08 the GPE login-screen accepted a single-letter password for my user account. Jan 21 04:12:11 ah. Jan 21 04:12:45 and the password works with "login", too =) Jan 21 04:28:29 There is a bug in 2.6 arm's apm code which badly interacts with the xserver apm code. It affects any arm 2.6 kernel when more than one users listens to apm_bios (as I understand things). Jan 21 04:34:28 that certainly does sound like it would be a problem Jan 21 04:35:28 cu Jan 21 04:44:20 quit Jan 21 04:52:04 is there a command to read out the current runlevel? Jan 21 04:52:48 eh lol, there is.... Jan 21 04:52:51 ahahaha Jan 21 04:52:52 "runlevel" Jan 21 04:53:00 ~lart CoreDump|home Jan 21 04:53:00 * ibot slaps a compatible dib on CoreDump|home's head Jan 21 04:53:34 I sometimes remember that command but don't remember it lives in /sbin and try to run it as a user... Jan 21 04:54:12 is anyone here having experience with swap over nfs? Jan 21 04:54:21 swap? eh no Jan 21 04:54:36 not recently, but I seem to remember it being terribly prone to deadlock Jan 21 04:54:43 iirc, swap over nbd is fractionally better Jan 21 04:54:59 under linux, at least. I think freebsd is (honestly) better. Jan 21 04:55:16 nah, I just swap to SD and only use SD cards with lifetime warranties... Jan 21 04:55:30 pb__: I have found older patches (2.4.21) ah nbd is in the kernel? Jan 21 04:55:49 nbd client is, or certainly used to be. nbd server is userspace. Jan 21 04:58:23 pb__: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0405.0/0556.html <- encouraging Jan 21 04:59:19 ah Jan 21 04:59:54 I wonder what ever became of paul jakma. he was a gpe hacker, back in the day. Jan 21 05:02:51 * zecke will try to get emerge with swap on nbd later tonight... Jan 21 05:03:59 zecke: can you not add a disk to your shark and swap to that? Jan 21 05:04:59 pb__: I will need to get a disk+cable first Jan 21 05:05:24 I suppose that would be an important first step Jan 21 05:07:48 I have an gentoo stage three for my shark now as deboostrap refused to work :} Jan 21 05:07:59 eleet Jan 21 05:08:04 must be the fastest shark in the west Jan 21 05:08:17 at least in this room Jan 21 05:08:46 * pb__ sends zecke a water cooling system to go with his gentoo binaries Jan 21 05:09:28 yay! Jan 21 05:10:11 kernel boots flash, launches altboot. Altboot privot_roots into an NFS mounted loop-image and runs...altboot installed in that image. Jan 21 05:11:22 which means you can boot w/o guy or into /sbin/init inside a pivot_root =) Jan 21 05:13:27 well, looks like someone changed gpe-dm to install into runlevel 2, too Jan 21 05:13:56 hi all Jan 21 05:14:06 hi a Jan 21 05:14:11 hi alan|home Jan 21 05:14:24 hey CoreDump|home Jan 21 05:14:43 what did i miss ? Any important news for this weekend ? Jan 21 05:17:36 woo! the latest anti-segfaulting fix to gtk-webcore allows gpe-mini-browser to render engadget without crashing! Jan 21 05:18:15 awesome Jan 21 05:23:14 hehe... reminds me the bottle of wine the father of a friend opened when he first draw a circle on his amiga, back in the 80's... Jan 21 05:24:27 lol Qtopia Core 4 is optimized for Visual Studio .NET 2003 Jan 21 05:28:32 zecke: just when you though Trolltech couldn't sink any lower Jan 21 05:29:04 zecke: rock. when will we see opie.NET? Jan 21 05:29:46 =) Jan 21 05:34:09 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r4f879e69... 10/packages/altboot/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jan 21 05:34:09 altboot: Jan 21 05:34:09 - 40-bootNFS: Copy resolv.conf from flash into pivot_root to allow working DNS Jan 21 05:34:09 - Allowing to use altboot as init inside a pivot_root. Which means as soon as th e new root is booted, you are presented with altboots menu again. But this ti Jan 21 05:34:09 me changing behaviour of the pivot_root booting sequence Jan 21 05:34:10 - Improved detected if altboot is run by user (to switch runlevels manually) or Jan 21 05:34:12 kernel. Jan 21 05:52:31 koen: can you please include cxx0-rotation.patch from .dev in gpe-bootsplah/354? Jan 21 06:03:44 CoreDump|home: will do Jan 21 06:03:56 ty Jan 21 06:07:36 CoreDump|home: done Jan 21 06:23:33 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rfaba4607... 10/packages/gpe-bootsplash/ (files/cxx0-rotation.patch gpe-bootsplash_1.14.bb): gpe-bootsplash: add cxx0 rotation patch from .dev Jan 21 06:29:09 is the feed directory ready for 354 ? Jan 21 07:11:39 hi Jan 21 07:12:46 hey Bernardo Jan 21 07:13:57 hey koen, how are things? Jan 21 07:14:33 pretty busy with work, but I still have time to have fun :) Jan 21 07:14:39 how's life in spain? Jan 21 07:15:08 no idea... here in Portugal it's very busy with work and my daughter... :) Jan 21 07:15:15 D'oh Jan 21 07:15:37 koen: what work did you start? Jan 21 07:15:40 lol Jan 21 07:15:58 koen: no problem, you just missed for a few kilometers Jan 21 07:16:21 zecke: measuring police and MP for their new bulletproof vests (http://bsst.de/) Jan 21 07:16:46 I should really add a googlemaps map to oe.org showing all the devs Jan 21 07:16:50 koen: you moved to germany? or is it a vacancie job? Jan 21 07:17:08 zecke: bsst supplies the dutch police :) Jan 21 07:18:27 * koen is able to work till the new semester starts Jan 21 07:32:15 * mithro pokes zecke Jan 21 07:32:43 * zecke falls from the chair and is lost Jan 21 07:33:13 mithro: debootstrap sucks, I will need to go with gentoo but then I decided to go to bed first ;) Jan 21 07:33:50 why does debootstrap suck? Jan 21 07:33:56 i've never had any problems with it Jan 21 07:34:49 it wants to chroot which I for some reason can't Jan 21 07:38:49 rwhitby-away: would you still use OE if we switch SCMs? Jan 21 07:38:53 hi Jan 21 07:40:34 zecke: do you want me to try doing a debootstrap for you? Jan 21 07:40:43 zecke: the new scm also needs to run inside OE builts images, so that effectively rules out darcs Jan 21 07:40:45 someone into the java-for-oe topic? i'd like to learn how to get a vm running (on openzaurus). One fullfilling at least the personal profile, another choice for a cldc profile would be great. Jan 21 07:41:45 koen: git has arm optimized sha1 code Jan 21 07:41:59 zecke: it does? Jan 21 07:42:12 mithro: done by Nico Jan 21 07:42:15 but git sucks donkey balls since it isn't an scm, but a patch management system Jan 21 07:42:36 hrm, should I go to FOSDEM or not.... Jan 21 07:42:51 you shoudl Jan 21 07:42:56 should* Jan 21 07:43:13 koen: I'm addicted to Cassis and Frikandel again :} Jan 21 07:43:43 mithro: I'm fine with gentoo :} Jan 21 07:43:44 mithro: yes, you should Jan 21 07:43:46 hi btw. Jan 21 07:43:53 ...vla is definitely the highest addictive product they have... Jan 21 07:44:01 mickeyl: convince me please :P Jan 21 07:44:06 mickeyl: did you consider sharing a room with me yet ;) Jan 21 07:44:17 zecke: of course. should i handle booking? Jan 21 07:44:33 mithro: i guess you won't find so many #oe guys in one place again Jan 21 07:44:43 mickeyl: need to do the last sanity checking now Jan 21 07:44:52 with my calendar now Jan 21 07:44:58 zecke: cassis is great :) Jan 21 07:45:20 zecke: excellent. do that and give me a trigger if everything's ok, then I'll book a room for us Jan 21 07:47:09 crap Jan 21 07:47:16 * koen also needs to book a room Jan 21 07:47:53 when are you people getting there/leaving? Jan 21 07:47:56 mickeyl: okay only deadline I have is the 28th Jan 21 07:48:11 I plan to arrive on friday Jan 21 07:48:24 mithro: friday is a must to make it in time for the prefosdem gathering Jan 21 07:48:27 mickeyl: okay arrival is friday, when do you plan to leave? Jan 21 07:48:42 zecke: sunday nachmittag Jan 21 07:49:01 i plan to take the last flight to FRA Jan 21 07:49:05 mickeyl: so we need a room for firday and saturday Jan 21 07:49:16 zecke: yeah, two nights Jan 21 07:52:26 this time i will pack warm cloths. last time i freezed the whole weekend Jan 21 07:52:44 afterwards i got a cold Jan 21 07:52:47 mickeyl: when does this even start? Jan 21 07:53:05 mickeyl: (on friday) Jan 21 07:53:08 zecke: IIRC ~ 20:00 Jan 21 07:53:21 +- 1h, can't remember Jan 21 07:53:23 mickeyl: wear a better tshirt ;) Jan 21 07:53:27 koen: heh Jan 21 07:54:00 mickeyl: hmm I could arrive at 22h on friday or 9h on saturday... (with vigin express) Jan 21 07:54:04 searching other flights now Jan 21 07:54:40 zecke: 22h would be good enough. from experience the event lasts until the roy d'espange closes :) Jan 21 07:56:13 anyone have a poster printer? Jan 21 07:58:29 currently ryanair is looking the best Jan 21 07:58:36 but they have airports which suck Jan 21 07:59:37 that's why they are cheap Jan 21 08:00:39 * zecke will book when his credit cars is back (mother) Jan 21 08:00:43 card even Jan 21 08:01:45 i think airlines should be forced to include taxes/etc in the shown price Jan 21 08:04:19 yea Jan 21 08:05:42 what other cheap airlines fly to Brussels/Rome Jan 21 08:05:50 math assignment is almost done... Jan 21 08:05:52 i've tried Virgin Express and Ryan Air Jan 21 08:07:10 Ailitalia Jan 21 08:07:12 SN Brussels Air Jan 21 08:07:27 Air France Jan 21 08:07:31 Swiss International Jan 21 08:07:33 Lufthansa Jan 21 08:07:55 thanks Jan 21 08:08:02 already tried Ailitalia Jan 21 08:08:17 cheapest fair is with 156 Euro is Virgin Express Jan 21 08:08:42 i have a 107 Euro with Ryan Air Jan 21 08:09:28 * zecke will start with gentoo soon Jan 21 08:09:30 zecke: who are you using to find that? Jan 21 08:09:43 gentoo sucks :P Jan 21 08:10:34 mithro: www.billigflieger.de Jan 21 08:11:53 any of you apache gurus? I am starting to think about setting up svn repo Jan 21 08:12:35 Crofton: no guru here but... Jan 21 08:12:50 a couple of questions then Jan 21 08:12:59 do I pay an extra 30 EUR to get good airports? Jan 21 08:13:03 what is a good way to deal with passwd files? Jan 21 08:13:15 like have people add username/pw? Jan 21 08:13:45 Crofton: Do you want people to have real logins? Jan 21 08:13:58 not on the machine, just for http auth Jan 21 08:13:58 Crofton: would .htaccess work? Jan 21 08:14:16 basically just for mod_auth type stuff Jan 21 08:14:29 or mod_digest_auth Jan 21 08:15:15 trac has an add on that is very simple I can use for my own work Jan 21 08:15:15 I already don't know :} Jan 21 08:15:27 But I am suspecting the original pw is sent in the clear :) Jan 21 08:15:32 heh Jan 21 08:15:40 this is one of those annoying details :) Jan 21 08:16:16 with the pub key based stuff, it is straight forward to email around keys Jan 21 08:19:09 * pb___ stabs linux Jan 21 08:19:15 re Jan 21 08:20:41 hi hrw Jan 21 08:20:55 hi mickeyl Jan 21 08:20:59 hi mickeyl Jan 21 08:21:11 hey pb_ Jan 21 08:21:22 hey pb_, you doing to FOSDEM? Jan 21 08:21:24 pb___: what about your FOSDEM appearance - already decided on that? Jan 21 08:21:25 heh Jan 21 08:21:32 ~lart me for not using oz-* ML for test program Jan 21 08:21:32 * ibot takes out me for not using oz-* ML with the trash for test program Jan 21 08:21:47 mickeyl: ah, hm, no. I guess I should make up my mind. Jan 21 08:22:02 will many people from Team Opie be there? Jan 21 08:22:31 I have small problem my touchscreen on acer n30 have device file /dev/input/mice any suggestions, will try make symlink to /dev/input/event1 Jan 21 08:23:23 pb_: At least zecke and me. Jan 21 08:23:37 and we're trying to convince mithro Jan 21 08:23:55 RP and his colleagues will be there as well Jan 21 08:24:57 i guess i'll wait till i know if I can fly out of Brussels/Amsterdam so I only need a 1 way ticket to Brussels Jan 21 08:28:24 mickeyl: sounds suitably dangerous. let me roll the eurostar dice and see what price they come up with. Jan 21 08:28:47 fosdem is the 25th and 26th, right? Jan 21 08:29:04 yeah Jan 21 08:29:17 and the gathering on 24th Jan 21 08:29:23 right Jan 21 08:29:36 I have to work on the 24th, but I should be able to arrive in mid evening Jan 21 08:29:42 that would do Jan 21 08:30:24 awesome Jan 21 08:31:59 nothing interesting happens on sunday evening, right? Jan 21 08:32:13 it looks like I need to leave at about 1700 in order to get home Jan 21 08:33:09 right. i plan to depart ~18 as well Jan 21 08:33:13 there's another train at 2026, but I think that one would leave me stuck in London for the night Jan 21 08:33:42 that would give us time for an early dinner after the program ends Jan 21 08:33:43 $600 for me to get to Brussels for the weekend :) Jan 21 08:33:58 right, good thinking Jan 21 08:34:00 pb_: you might want to leave in 2006, 20 years in Brussels sounds bit much :P Jan 21 08:36:01 mm, right, somewhere between 120GBP and 200GBP Jan 21 08:36:50 mickeyl: which is the official Team Opie hotel? Jan 21 08:38:43 pb___: what a question, we don't need a hotel, we don't sleep anyway Jan 21 08:39:01 pb___: and we have internet so we do not need these pay tv movies.. Jan 21 08:39:12 pb_: I'm afraid I didn't chose one yet. This time I plan to locate us pretty near to the grand place. My location last year was neither near to the university nor to the grand place. Jan 21 08:39:40 what was the GPE team hotel last year? this one was near the grand place wasn't it? Jan 21 08:39:46 yeah Jan 21 08:39:53 the Astrid, I think Jan 21 08:39:58 ah right, the Astrid. Jan 21 08:40:09 there's also the Atlas and at least one Novotel in that area Jan 21 08:40:10 i guess i'll check that first. Jan 21 08:40:33 hmm is sylpheed supposed to work? Jan 21 08:41:45 team KC was in the Atlas hotel last year Jan 21 08:43:16 mickeyl: okay, please alert me to the outcome of your researches Jan 21 08:43:59 it sounds like zecke is taking his gentoo affiilation a little bit too seriously with this plan to not sleep. Jan 21 08:44:13 mhh is possible to tell bitbake to look for machine conf files in two dirs ? (to override some file present in the repository) Jan 21 08:44:40 pb___: hehe Jan 21 08:45:01 atlas: E99/night, ibis grand place 109/night, ibis st. catherine: E69/night Jan 21 08:45:04 pb___: yeah, will do. Jan 21 08:47:04 gremlin[it]: builddir/conf/machine/ is higher priority Jan 21 08:47:21 * hrw is playing with qtopia 2.2 in qvfb Jan 21 08:47:28 thanks hrw :) Jan 21 08:47:53 mithro: I will try with breezy again Jan 21 08:49:13 ah, the astrid is E77/night Jan 21 08:49:24 mickeyl: thanks. I proceed with booking my train ticket in the meantime. Jan 21 08:49:27 hrw: i did that a couple of weeks ago. wasn't impressed. Jan 21 08:50:50 mickeyl: looks limited.. but has xrefs in pim Jan 21 08:51:30 touché :) Jan 21 08:52:01 woah, novotel is _expensive_ Jan 21 08:52:08 has notes app Jan 21 08:52:25 hrw: that is textedit ;) Jan 21 08:52:34 zecke: if you need to do something as root I can give you access for a couple of hours tonight Jan 21 08:52:35 mickeyl: heh, oh dear. which novotel was that? Jan 21 08:52:52 zecke: which also show list of all text documents Jan 21 08:52:56 pb: Grasmarkt / Rue du Marché aux herbes, 120 Jan 21 08:52:57 1000 Brussels Jan 21 08:53:04 single room 168 EUR per night Jan 21 08:53:17 * mithro need cheap accom if I do come :P Jan 21 08:53:20 ah, right Jan 21 08:53:28 is that the Tour Noire? Jan 21 08:53:32 mickeyl: the ibis at the grasmarkt is 109/night Jan 21 08:53:41 still expensive Jan 21 08:53:48 * koen|food really -> food now Jan 21 08:53:59 pb_: yes Jan 21 08:54:29 * mickeyl queries the astrid Jan 21 08:54:31 right, yeah, that's the hotel where they usually put the fosdem speakers Jan 21 08:54:46 there's another novotel near(er) the Grand Place, but I suspect that one will be even more expensive Jan 21 08:55:07 sadly anything above ~30 EUR per night is out of my price range Jan 21 08:56:33 aah Jan 21 08:56:40 double room for 77 EUR in the astrid Jan 21 08:56:46 * mickeyl tries to reserve that Jan 21 08:58:44 very good Jan 21 08:58:50 * pb___ book at the astrid also Jan 21 08:59:37 W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/users/zecke/scm_combat/root_fs_scm_mount mount -t proc proc /proc Jan 21 08:59:55 damn you people who have income :P Jan 21 09:00:00 ;) Jan 21 09:00:20 lol Jan 21 09:00:28 150Euro a month *yipee* Jan 21 09:00:38 zecke: ahh, thats because that command can only be run as root Jan 21 09:00:53 zecke: ok, room booked. i'll be happy to be your host ;) Jan 21 09:01:03 right Jan 21 09:01:07 mickeyl: thanks Jan 21 09:01:11 np Jan 21 09:01:39 mithro: I would be thankfule if you could ruh debootstrap for me Jan 21 09:01:48 now lets go for a flight... Jan 21 09:01:58 okay Jan 21 09:02:03 msg me the exact command Jan 21 09:02:52 qtopia 2.2 is soo limited... Jan 21 09:03:06 * pb___ hotel reservation accomplished Jan 21 09:03:42 runing now Jan 21 09:03:48 24th to brussel, 26th back right?! Jan 21 09:04:00 yep Jan 21 09:04:01 mickeyl: do you have a url for that hotel? Jan 21 09:04:18 mithro: astridhotel.be Jan 21 09:04:40 ugg, flash Jan 21 09:06:31 drat, eurostar session timed out Jan 21 09:06:48 what is the address for the Astrid? Jan 21 09:07:11 mithro: Zaterdagplein 11 Place du Samedi Jan 21 09:07:20 mithro: 5 minutes walking distance to the grande place Jan 21 09:12:09 how much did you end up paying at the Astrid? Jan 21 09:13:24 154 for two nights incl. breakfast buffet. double room, that is Jan 21 09:13:46 ok,there we have a flight. Jan 21 09:13:47 * mickeyl completed Jan 21 09:14:07 * pb___ completed also! Jan 21 09:14:09 ahh - i have it here for 62 Euro per night + breakfast double room Jan 21 09:14:35 http://www.hotel.de/Booking.aspx?lng=EN&h_departure=2%2f27%2f2006&h_rooms=1&h_fbrs=1&h_persons_total=1&h_rmod=0&h_arrival=2%2f24%2f2006&h_hmid=131024&h_validate=1&h_sbl=%2fSearch.aspx%3flng%3dEN%26hs_destination%3dBrussel%26hs_validate%3d2%26gethotels%3dShow%26hs_postalcode%3d1000%26hs%3d2%26hs_arrival%3d2%252f24%252f2006%26hs_entityname%3dPlace%2bdu%2bSamedi%2b11%252c%2b1000%2bBrussel%26hs_street%3dPlace%2bdu%2bSamedi%2b11%26hs_clat%3d50%252c8516838613775%26hs_d Jan 21 09:14:36 eparture%3d2%252f27%252f2006%26hs_landisoa3%3dBEL%26hs_circum%3d3%26hs_clong%3d4%252c3503297630546%26hs_searchmode%3d3&h_step=3&h_persons=1 Jan 21 09:14:47 mickeyl: I will arrive in Brussels at about 2015 on the Friday evenin Jan 21 09:16:54 how does this address compare? Boulevard Emile Jacqmain-Laan 99, Brussels, 1000 Jan 21 09:17:57 pb_: that sounds good. you can make it for 2130 then to the roy d'espagne if everything goes well? Jan 21 09:18:13 mickeyl: yeah, probably even earlier than that Jan 21 09:19:09 pb___: excellent. i guess I'll be there from 20:00 Jan 21 09:19:16 it only takes about 15 minutes to ride from the Gare Midi to the vicinity of the hotel, 20 minutes to check in, 10 minutes to walk back to the grand place. Jan 21 09:19:25 so, I guess I should be there at approximately 2100 hours Jan 21 09:20:18 cool. you still have my mobile number? Jan 21 09:20:23 let me check Jan 21 09:20:56 -464? Jan 21 09:21:01 right Jan 21 09:21:08 rock Jan 21 09:21:56 * mithro proclaims you all to be evil ;) Jan 21 09:21:58 yours -202 ? Jan 21 09:23:53 yup Jan 21 09:23:54 hi, i'm trying to chnage h3600 machien config to mimic h3900 to have kernel 24 and 26 option but i gor such error Jan 21 09:23:57 NOTE: exceptions.SyntaxError:EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1) while evaluating: Jan 21 09:23:57 alsa-driver kernel ipaq-boot-params ${@linux_module_packages('${H3600_MODULES}', d)} pcmcia-cs apm apmd network-suspend-scripts familiar-version ipkg-collateral ipkg ipkg-link Jan 21 09:24:03 any clue ? Jan 21 09:24:40 sounds like a typo Jan 21 09:24:48 ok Jan 21 09:25:01 yeah Jan 21 09:25:12 I think you can also get that under some circumstances if H3600_MODULES isn't defined Jan 21 09:25:31 mithro: all evil just because fosdem talk? Jan 21 09:25:32 but, most often, it means you have lost a closing quote mark somewhere Jan 21 09:25:35 mickeyl / pb_ / zecke : I'll know if I'm coming to FODEM on the 23rd Jan 21 09:25:50 mithro: no point coming on the 23rd, it doesn't start until the 25th Jan 21 09:26:56 mithro: ok, keep us posted. would be cool to meet you again Jan 21 09:26:57 pb___: what I mean is, I'll know if I'm coming on the 23rd of Jan Jan 21 09:27:06 oh, silly me Jan 21 09:27:34 mithro: same as mickeyl... keep us posted... Jan 21 09:27:53 but it looks like it would be cheaper to fly in on the 23rd - but I'll try to fly in early on the 24th of Feb Jan 21 09:32:01 mhh i'm not able to find the error ... can someone check it -> http://pastebin.com/516207 Jan 21 09:40:50 mithro: hmm I have not used uml since years but something seems weird Jan 21 09:47:48 mhhh the 'expansion' of VAR in VAR_kernel26 / VAR_kerne24 based on KERNEL ... is global ? Jan 21 09:49:30 global i mean defined as bitbake/oe feature ... versusn defined onlt for h3900 ... Jan 21 09:50:52 zecke: what is happening? Jan 21 09:51:10 if you go on ICQ i get beeps when you send me a message Jan 21 09:54:09 hi Jan 21 10:03:03 hi ph5 Jan 21 10:07:46 pb___: thanks for the indentation hint, I honestly didn't see that. Jan 21 10:08:32 heh Jan 21 10:08:36 no problem Jan 21 10:08:47 the patch looks fine now. can you commit it, or do you want me to do that? Jan 21 10:10:01 pb___: I don't have cvs write access, so I'd be happy if you could commit. Jan 21 10:10:16 okay, I'll do that momentarily Jan 21 10:11:50 pb___: thanks. should this be documented somewhere? Jan 21 10:12:23 (the new setting/behaviour I mean) Jan 21 10:18:14 CoreDump|afk: the one in oz354fam083 should still work. The one in dev will break on entrance and e-wm.....edje issues. Not sure what's wrong yet. Jan 21 10:20:14 zecke: any luck? Jan 21 10:20:33 the machine is rather slow so you might not want to use gentoo on it :P Jan 21 10:22:36 I thought gentoo was _exactly_ what you wanted to use on a slow machine? Compilation optimisations and all that... Jan 21 10:22:40 * Twiun jumps for cover Jan 21 10:22:58 gentoo is for ricers :) Jan 21 10:23:01 * Crofton ducks Jan 21 10:23:09 ricers? Jan 21 10:23:40 people with japanese cars that add things like rear spoilers on front wheel drive cars Jan 21 10:24:13 http://funroll-loops.org/ Jan 21 10:24:39 mithro: it stucks at booting (mounting the filesystems, it stucks on ifconfig...) Jan 21 10:25:12 Crofton: or people with SHARKs that can't use stuff like debootstrap as it is fucking broken :} Jan 21 10:25:20 * JustinP uses gentoo and I am not a fucking ricer Jan 21 10:25:49 you can do that kind of thing on any distro, gentoo is just an easy target Jan 21 10:27:24 distro wars are almost as old as Linux Jan 21 10:27:45 I think that Gentoo's package management system beats out pretty much any other Jan 21 10:28:14 heh Jan 21 10:28:16 on what other distro can you get oracle support in PHP within the package management system ;-) Jan 21 10:28:18 'package management' Jan 21 10:28:35 it's has great 'applications management' Jan 21 10:28:43 sure, I suppose Jan 21 10:30:11 zecke: hrm.... Jan 21 10:30:22 give me the command you are running and i'll check it out Jan 21 10:47:51 mithro: linux ubd0=rootfs... devfs=mount eth0=tuntap,tun0 mem=128M Jan 21 10:51:33 rootfs? Jan 21 10:51:49 where is your "root=/dev/ubd0" ? Jan 21 10:52:09 you don't need that Jan 21 10:52:21 you don't? Jan 21 10:52:57 you don't, with init=/bin/bash you have it even running Jan 21 10:54:54 hrm it seems to be waiting at "Mounting local filesystems" Jan 21 10:57:37 did you get the hang at mounting local filesystems? Jan 21 10:59:12 mithro: yes Jan 21 10:59:45 init=/bin/bash gets me further but hangs on some other commands Jan 21 10:59:58 I think I will use qemu-i386 instead Jan 21 11:00:34 that would be because you have wrong /etc/fstab Jan 21 11:00:36 booting now Jan 21 11:02:53 get as far as * Starting kernel log daemon... now Jan 21 11:13:22 i'm stuck there Jan 21 11:21:52 mithro: well wrong is relative... it gets stucked when mounting sys Jan 21 11:22:06 zecke: got it working! Jan 21 11:22:07 and /dev/ubd/0 vs. /dev/ubd0 but it should not get stuck at all Jan 21 11:22:54 i'll give you a working command line in a sec Jan 21 11:24:46 linux ubd0=root_fs_scm devfs=mount eth0=tuntap,tun0 mem=128M umid=zecke con=port:9000 con0=fd:0,fd:1 Jan 21 11:24:50 that should work Jan 21 11:24:54 now I need to go find a power plug Jan 21 11:26:37 hangs on starting kernel log daemon Jan 21 11:26:43 then you just telnet localhost 9000 Jan 21 11:26:47 to get a console Jan 21 11:27:57 That work? Jan 21 11:28:18 now to get network working :P Jan 21 11:29:25 * RP returns Jan 21 11:29:33 re RP Jan 21 11:29:39 wb RP Jan 21 11:29:39 hey Jan 21 11:29:45 mithro: a log in first ;) Jan 21 11:30:02 root/ no password should work Jan 21 11:30:39 mithro: why do you think that? Jan 21 11:41:43 hi Jan 21 11:43:28 [20:32] mithro: a log in first ;) Jan 21 11:43:28 [20:32] root/ no password should work Jan 21 11:43:28 [20:33] http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/input.html Jan 21 11:43:28 [20:34] if you want to use something other then horrible telnet Jan 21 11:44:12 * mithro pokes zecke Jan 21 11:44:28 Anyone wanting to play with a test git repository should mail me an ssh key... Jan 21 11:50:20 zecke: going out to get some chow Jan 21 11:50:21 bblr Jan 21 11:50:53 i'll be back in about 1 hour Jan 21 11:52:20 mithro: have fun Jan 21 11:52:34 RP: ah you setup git? Jan 21 11:52:45 Crofton: you will do svn? Jan 21 11:53:01 then I will do darcs + mercurial on mithro's machine Jan 21 11:53:06 I will try Jan 21 11:53:26 accounts will be a bit of a headache Jan 21 11:53:35 but I have some thoughts Jan 21 11:55:17 zecke: can I install darcs on my slug using ipkg ? Jan 21 11:56:28 zecke: I have a uml setup with git installed, yes. Just need to fix the firewall :) Jan 21 12:17:00 zecke: any luck? Jan 21 12:22:18 Wasn't there an X-app to look at the monotone tree? Jan 21 12:23:40 monotone-viz Jan 21 12:26:11 thank you Jan 21 12:34:42 back later... Jan 21 12:34:48 holy cow. If GPE continues with this pace, Opie will be dead in a year Jan 21 12:35:44 heh Jan 21 12:35:58 I'd rather see opie/x11 than no opie Jan 21 12:36:11 not if I can help it... Jan 21 12:36:12 me, too Jan 21 12:36:26 heh Jan 21 12:37:34 hm. getting build errors from glib-2.0-native-2.6.5 Jan 21 12:37:38 koen: what is this "dot" monotone-viz tries to run? Jan 21 12:37:55 NAiL: graph generation tool from graphviz Jan 21 12:37:56 error: #error GNU libiconv not in use but included iconv.h is from libiconv Jan 21 12:38:43 thank you Jan 21 12:39:38 raduga: try adding: Jan 21 12:39:39 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libiconv=glibc Jan 21 12:39:39 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libintl=glibc Jan 21 12:39:43 to your local.conf Jan 21 12:41:39 food Jan 21 12:41:51 woo Jan 21 12:41:58 monotone-viz is da bomb ;-) Jan 21 12:42:04 it is Jan 21 12:42:26 it's just that is uses $funkylanguage instead of C/C++ Jan 21 12:42:31 ocaml? Jan 21 12:42:35 that one Jan 21 12:42:52 otherwise it would have been in OE for ages Jan 21 12:42:55 Yeah, I kinda noticed when it spewed out four pages of errors when I did configure Jan 21 12:45:34 It looked like ocaml can't crosscompile Jan 21 12:52:06 koen: thanks Jan 21 13:05:08 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r7d8d51e0... 10/packages/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs_1.38.bb: e2fsprogs: split off tune2fs into a separate package Jan 21 13:05:13 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r0b95bcbd... 10/packages/slugos-init/ (files/boot/disk files/turnup slugos-init_0.10.bb): Jan 21 13:05:13 slugos-init: Use tune2fs to mark the root fs with a "unique" label Jan 21 13:05:13 turnup marks the rootfs with a label, and /boot/disk mounts the correct Jan 21 13:05:13 partition on boot. Jan 21 13:05:14 Closes slugbug #320 Jan 21 13:05:17 03nail 07org.oe.dev * rd750c013... 10/packages/slugos-init/ (files/boot/disk files/turnup slugos-init_0.10.bb): disapproval of revision '0b95bcbd94eecc35400e4a1a8af33317d5f8b411' Jan 21 13:09:53 question, where does libopie1_1.0.2_arm.ipk install libopie.so.1? Jan 21 13:10:11 to /usr/lib? Jan 21 13:10:29 this is the opie library from the gaim site Jan 21 13:14:25 Hhhhh: This is not a distribution support channel Jan 21 13:16:07 Hhhhh: it is not even #opie question as libopie1 was dropped months ago Jan 21 13:17:19 Hhhhh: wrong channel. this channel is for development of oz. Jan 21 13:17:32 heh Jan 21 13:17:35 s/oz/OE? Jan 21 13:17:48 sorry, oe Jan 21 13:20:19 zecke: re your question about whether we would still use OE if OE switched SCMs. Jan 21 13:20:59 ~lart libmimedir Jan 21 13:21:00 * ibot duct-tapes libmimedir to the floor and drools on him Jan 21 13:21:41 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rd78e5658... 10/packages/libmimedir/libmimedir_cvs.bb: libmimedir: add branch to src_uri Jan 21 13:21:54 the answer is that as long as the SCM meets the requirements stated (and a key one for us is disconnected, distributed use), then sure. It also has to be able to run (albeit slowly) on a 32MB (with plenty of swap), 266MHz XScale. Note that monotone is just able to do that today, so it can't be more resource hungry than monotone (and monotone is a bit of a pig, so that shouldn't be hard to meet). Jan 21 13:23:19 ~lart monotone merging Jan 21 13:23:20 * ibot eats monotone merging's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti Jan 21 13:23:32 hrw: thanks for your bugzilla comments. Jan 21 13:23:54 pH5: no problem Jan 21 13:23:55 where should license files that have to be included with binary packages be put in the fs tree? Jan 21 13:24:13 in /usr/share/doc, I guess Jan 21 13:24:18 koen: NOTE: package libmimedir-0.3.1+cvs-20060102-r1: task do_build: completed Jan 21 13:24:24 koen: thx for update Jan 21 13:25:11 hrw, koen: thx Jan 21 13:25:30 why on earth does the "Alt" modifier no longer work in a fresh 3.5.4 build Jan 21 13:25:46 CoreDump|home: console? opie? gpe? Jan 21 13:25:51 both Jan 21 13:26:03 well lets start with VT Jan 21 13:26:15 one key is mapped to "Alt" Jan 21 13:26:35 Alt [1-5] should change VTs due to mapping Jan 21 13:26:41 doesn't work Jan 21 13:27:53 ok, alt works, VT switching doesn't Jan 21 13:28:04 RP: how do you handle port forwarding and tunneling? Jan 21 13:28:13 didn't even know that this can be turned off wth Jan 21 13:31:07 where can I send they key to? Jan 21 13:34:31 VT switching is really messed up Jan 21 13:37:53 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rca1e7d1a... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050602.bb: openzaurus-pxa27 2.4.20 kernel: Add "quiet" to CMDLINE_CONSOLE. Jan 21 13:38:52 koen: ^ ^ ^ could you please applay that to 354? ^ ^ ^ Jan 21 13:39:15 * koen delegates that to zaurusmaster hrw Jan 21 13:39:17 CoreDump|home: I will do it Jan 21 13:39:22 ty Jan 21 13:39:56 CoreDump|home: did you make it debug/quiet based on DISTRO_TYPE? Jan 21 13:39:56 fwiw, somethings odd with the alt key. Replacing Alt with AltGr in the keymap works wonders Jan 21 13:40:10 no as that has been removed previously Jan 21 13:40:11 CoreDump|home: as it was done in linux-openzaurus.inc... Jan 21 13:40:46 I honestly do not believe that there will be much debugging going on since 2.6 is almost ready =) Jan 21 13:41:05 CoreDump|home: who know Jan 21 13:47:59 CoreDump|home: I'll push it like it is - looks like you are nearest of cxx00 maintainer ;) Jan 21 13:48:13 * CoreDump|home chuckles Jan 21 13:48:31 phear me Jan 21 13:48:48 pushed Jan 21 13:48:58 thanks Jan 21 13:49:40 CoreDump|home: maybe you take care of #455? 2.4.20 defconfig updates Jan 21 13:50:09 will do Jan 21 13:50:16 great Jan 21 13:50:29 we need to look at the busybox defconfig as well Jan 21 13:50:40 CoreDump|home: 2.4.18/collie is quite nice as example Jan 21 13:50:48 koen: maybe busybox 1.01 atleast? Jan 21 13:51:14 1.1.0 released but it need testing, updating etc.. and it contain new stuff: fuser, less, e2fsprogs Jan 21 13:53:47 hrw: we don't need minix stuff in busybox Jan 21 13:53:59 hrw: that saves ~100k Jan 21 13:55:06 we could add dosfstools Jan 21 13:59:55 hey zecke Jan 21 13:59:58 how you going? Jan 21 14:01:57 mithro: chatting with al and watching tv Jan 21 14:02:15 mithro: you could work on the tunnel if you want to Jan 21 14:04:34 zecke: okay Jan 21 14:04:37 i'll give it a go Jan 21 14:05:36 RP: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GitScmTrial Jan 21 14:05:46 mithro: I can give you an account on the uml Jan 21 14:05:51 zecke: i'll get the networking Jan 21 14:05:56 whats the root password? Jan 21 14:06:15 koen: removing minix gives ~20K Jan 21 14:06:44 20k gained! Jan 21 14:07:14 ;) Jan 21 14:07:36 zecke: I think SCMs must conform to some hard demo Jan 21 14:07:39 isn't the whole minix kernel 20k? Jan 21 14:07:45 demands to be eligible for voting Jan 21 14:07:56 koen: writing that page now Jan 21 14:08:30 'buildable by OE' is one of those Jan 21 14:08:38 can I put one file into 2 sub-packages? Jan 21 14:09:02 zecke: I'd be interested in testing git from nslu2-linux point of view - we can set up a similar server and test peer-to-peer stuff Jan 21 14:09:27 same for any other serious alternative which does not require adding lots of user accounts on a machine Jan 21 14:09:34 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rc4967538... 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x_2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050602.bb: Jan 21 14:09:34 openzaurus-pxa27 2.4.20 kernel: Add "quiet" to CMDLINE_CONSOLE. Jan 21 14:09:34 taken from .dev Jan 21 14:10:08 rwhitby: but you think your fellow developers would not veto a SCM switch? Jan 21 14:10:35 zecke: my fellow developers support their leader's decision ;-) Jan 21 14:10:45 zecke: it's kind of funny that most of the SCM testers are the people who are satisfied with monotone... Jan 21 14:11:03 koen: they all lie ;) Jan 21 14:11:24 koen: Well I never had to throw away a database, I never used disapprove or complicated merging Jan 21 14:11:37 I'm also interested from the point of view of a new company that I'm helping set up. All the people there are coming from a ClearCase background, but we want to move to a free SCM for cost reasons. Jan 21 14:12:06 I had to use rm + 'monotone revert' just because merging failed due to meld started on remote-shell-only Jan 21 14:12:09 and disconnected operation is a key feature for that new company. Jan 21 14:12:50 rwhitby: you can clone the git tree now if you want to Jan 21 14:13:00 rwhitby: I could start converting the nslu2-linux branch as well :} Jan 21 14:13:23 zecke: that branch is tiny, so please do. Jan 21 14:13:24 zecke: bitkeeper had all the nnightmares reenoo subscribes to 'immature' and 'experimental' Jan 21 14:13:42 destroying working copies, servers being down, etc Jan 21 14:13:50 koen: but it has nice tcl/tk tools.... Jan 21 14:13:50 people used linux 0.1... they could have stayed with minix... Jan 21 14:14:13 zecke: copy that Jan 21 14:14:34 I sometimes miss GUI tools in monotone... monotone-viz is ... Jan 21 14:15:03 hrw: I only use bk*tool in the beginning Jan 21 14:17:16 zecke: we also have an org.nslu2-linux.bitbake branch which we use to make sure everyone is using the right version of bitbake (the makefile updates that at the same time as updating openembedded, and then uses it in-place) Jan 21 14:17:20 zecke: in case monotone ends up as a winner, we need to get cvssync working Jan 21 14:17:38 zecke: although no one cares about that seeing the lack of reactions Jan 21 14:19:46 koen: I got 290K more free space.. Jan 21 14:19:52 nice Jan 21 14:19:56 what did you remove? Jan 21 14:20:54 ttf-dejavu-sans-mono-lite contain only DejaVuSansMono.ttf - no bold/oblique Jan 21 14:21:01 zecke: what do you thing of the macbook pro? Jan 21 14:21:09 * koen thinks it needs a 12" version Jan 21 14:23:00 koen: as I need a x86 at work due proprietary binaries I think I will get one Jan 21 14:23:21 koen: but I like the new power plug, but it has a Firewire-400 connector only Jan 21 14:23:32 koen: I would like to see a 12" version as well... Jan 21 14:23:39 koen: but I think it is a true apple Jan 21 14:23:43 yeah the firewire thing is a shame Jan 21 14:24:34 lack of FW800 is such problem? Jan 21 14:24:51 * hrw never used FireWire - has FW400 in pc Jan 21 14:25:07 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rc492bc52... 10/packages/initscripts/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Akita/Borzoi/Spitz: Use Alt, not AltGr for arrow-key VT switching. Jan 21 14:25:09 I don't have any fw800 devices (yet) Jan 21 14:25:18 hrw: I needed it for real time video ;) Jan 21 14:28:06 zecke: but dualcore in a notebook is just sick :) Jan 21 14:28:53 new one have indipendent power control for each core ? Jan 21 14:29:02 intel says so Jan 21 14:29:36 bbl Jan 21 14:29:40 if one of the could be put in deep suspend should be good :) Jan 21 14:29:50 *one of the core ... Jan 21 14:30:56 koen|away: git allows to cherry pick cset's Jan 21 14:31:07 koen|away: this is something good for doing releases Jan 21 14:31:31 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ScmVotingProcedures?action=show Jan 21 14:31:37 for the first draft, please fix it ;) Jan 21 14:32:23 zecke: networking working Jan 21 14:33:38 zecke: I would not limit voting to OE core devels - take other people votes too (lower priority) Jan 21 14:34:14 mithro: thanks will try later :} Jan 21 14:34:27 rwhitby: could you give me url and branchname of the server? Jan 21 14:34:55 mithro: which ports are forwarded to the outside? Jan 21 14:35:04 mithro: may I start 'linux'+ Jan 21 14:35:28 not yet Jan 21 14:35:34 you have a real public ip address Jan 21 14:36:49 jesus, the GPE screenshot app is sweet Jan 21 14:36:58 mithro: oh thanks Jan 21 14:37:30 zecke: i had one free :P Jan 21 14:37:40 how much is your rootserver? Jan 21 14:39:17 * RP returns Jan 21 14:39:24 hrw: which devel do you have in mind? Jan 21 14:39:33 zecke: rpurdie@rpsys.net for the key Jan 21 14:39:58 zecke: there are people outside OE which also use it Jan 21 14:40:01 zecke: I'm just having my router forward the ssh port to the uml client Jan 21 14:41:33 hrw: okay how to include them? Jan 21 14:41:41 hrw: feel free to add a note about this Jan 21 14:41:45 ok Jan 21 14:45:11 hrw: I do not know how to include these people Jan 21 14:45:41 ok Jan 21 14:45:54 re Jan 21 14:46:35 looking at that voting page I get the feeling that not very many people will be eligible to vote Jan 21 14:47:17 koen: I tried to include every name from 'list keys' + BK changelog Jan 21 14:47:59 you also tried to spell every name wrong ;) Jan 21 14:48:23 hehe ;) Jan 21 14:48:38 * koen buys some vla to bribe zecke Jan 21 14:48:45 as usual... well I'm watching TV... Jan 21 14:48:54 1 liter/vote? Jan 21 14:49:00 vla? Jan 21 14:49:11 a kind of pudding Jan 21 14:49:30 thx Jan 21 14:49:34 koen: I have not always used BK_USER so I was tempted to enter all versions of me... Jan 21 14:49:43 :) Jan 21 14:50:56 zecke: so you missed 'szczepan' and 'marcinj' Jan 21 14:51:50 koen: how many names did I mispell, and do you have proof I really mispelled them? Jan 21 14:52:22 zecke: I edited page - could you look Jan 21 14:52:23 ? Jan 21 14:52:34 zecke: all names starting with 'f' Jan 21 14:52:40 rwhitby: only eight revs to nslu2? Jan 21 14:52:45 fliran Jan 21 14:53:02 zecke: why arn't you on ICQ? Jan 21 14:53:07 forgot kergoth Jan 21 14:53:28 oops Jan 21 14:53:34 don't tell him Jan 21 14:54:33 btw - someone know where is C750 which we won in TuxMobil? Jan 21 14:55:39 hrw: I think mickeyl has it? Jan 21 14:55:45 zecke: yep - only 8 revs - it only holds the master makefile, not any OE stuff Jan 21 14:56:01 [23:40] how much is your rootserver? Jan 21 14:56:01 [23:41] $US 29.95 per month Jan 21 14:56:01 [23:44] zecke: should be working now Jan 21 14:56:01 [23:48] arg stopped working on reboot Jan 21 14:56:01 [23:50] ahh fixed! Jan 21 14:56:01 [23:50] yay Jan 21 14:56:04 [23:50] 64.251.14.228 Jan 21 14:56:08 'night all Jan 21 14:56:15 zecke: perhaps Jan 21 14:56:18 n8 koen Jan 21 14:56:20 koen|sleep: cya Jan 21 14:57:28 * mithro pokes zecke Jan 21 14:58:08 where does koen keep his keys? Jan 21 14:58:11 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8aba06fe... 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ (ttf-dejavu-sans-mono-lite_2.2.bb ttf-dejavu_2.2.bb): Jan 21 14:58:11 ttf-dejavu: created ttf-dejavu-sans-mono-lite package to gain free space Jan 21 14:58:11 - ttf-dejavu-sans-mono-lite contain only DejaVuSansMono Regular Jan 21 14:58:11 - ttf-dejavu-sans-mono contain DejaVuSansMono in all styles: Regular, Bold, Oblique, BoldOblique Jan 21 14:58:13 - both packages conflict/replace Jan 21 14:58:15 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rac96478f... 10/packages/meta/task-opie.bb: Jan 21 14:58:18 task-opie: make task-opie-base use ttf-dejavu-sans-mono-lite to gain some space Jan 21 14:58:20 - users which would need styles other then Regular are free to install full font package Jan 21 14:58:44 evolution sits there forever looking for them (gpg key server) Jan 21 14:59:34 rwhitby: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/other_scms/git/org.nslu2-linux.dev/ Jan 21 15:00:06 poke the zeckemister :P Jan 21 15:01:57 * mithro wants some attention so he can go to bed :P Jan 21 15:02:44 mithro: want koen key? I just grabbed it from net Jan 21 15:03:07 hrw: his GPG key he signs his email with Jan 21 15:03:28 zecke: if you can just test the UML is all working Jan 21 15:04:13 mithro: like I told - I got it from net.. but now I see it lacks.. Jan 21 15:05:58 mithro: http://home.hrw.one.pl/koen.key.asc Jan 21 15:07:29 mithro: hmm Jan 21 15:07:46 * Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org... Error : Temporary failure in name resolution Jan 21 15:08:42 can't ping the dns server from the resolv.conf Jan 21 15:09:00 hrm.... Jan 21 15:09:52 hrm, this is bad Jan 21 15:10:54 mithro: now it works? what did you change? Jan 21 15:19:10 ibot: test Jan 21 15:19:16 Test Failed! Jan 21 15:20:24 mithro: could you reset the tunnel please? Jan 21 15:20:55 zecke: I'm having similar fun :) Jan 21 15:21:12 RP: we need Xen ;) Jan 21 15:21:24 zecke: i could just have it run every 5 minutes :P Jan 21 15:21:48 mithro: this would mean I have to wait at least four minutes? Jan 21 15:25:27 every 1 minutes? :P Jan 21 15:27:10 zecke: actually going to try something Jan 21 15:27:42 zecke: can you stop the UML? Jan 21 15:30:05 * mithro pokes zecke Jan 21 15:32:47 poke poke Jan 21 15:37:55 ahhhrrrggggghhhhh compile kernel 2.4 (familair devel) with gcc 3.3.4 is incredible slow !!! :( :( :( :( Jan 21 15:37:58 zecke? Jan 21 15:39:18 you have 5 minutes then kill comes out :P Jan 21 15:43:20 1 minute left :P Jan 21 15:46:12 mithro: you killed it :} Jan 21 15:46:16 Crofton: yes Jan 21 15:46:50 Is it ok for you to send me a line I can stick in the web server pw file for access? Jan 21 15:47:20 RP: ping Jan 21 15:47:53 zecke: yes sorry :P Jan 21 15:48:05 RP: http://pastebin.com/516702 is ok to make c7x0 with 2.6.14-rc1 more quiet? Jan 21 15:48:29 hrm it appears to be hanging at ntp? Jan 21 15:48:43 hrw: looking now Jan 21 15:49:48 hrw: looks good to me Jan 21 15:50:23 zecke: You should be able to ssh into oegit.rpsys.net (as zecke) Jan 21 15:50:23 ok. I'll check that kernel on my c760 and commit if ok Jan 21 15:51:19 zecke: I've not tested the git side of things much yet, just concentrated on getting the networking up. git is installed and some metadata is in /home/oegit Jan 21 15:54:47 mithro: may I start it? Jan 21 15:55:09 RP: how do we handle branches? Jan 21 15:56:14 zecke: I think git can support them in one repository? Jan 21 15:56:44 RP: oh Jan 21 15:57:00 RP: I wonder how to pull org.oe.dev and org.oe.oz354fam083 :} Jan 21 15:57:08 zecke: okay fixed! Jan 21 15:57:24 you should be able to start/stop the network to your hearts delight! Jan 21 15:57:34 zecke: .dev will be the master branch. Anything else will be a branch off that Jan 21 15:58:45 zecke: can you please test? Jan 21 15:58:50 I should be in bed :P Jan 21 16:02:38 RP: http://pastebin.com/516729 this dmesg looks better Jan 21 16:03:30 hrw: Yes, much improved :). I think both those changes are already present in 2.6.15? Jan 21 16:03:57 RP: we have alsa instead oss so one less, dump_cpu_info is off too iirc Jan 21 16:05:24 * mithro pokes the zecke myster Jan 21 16:07:07 mithro: star linux? Jan 21 16:07:47 worked Jan 21 16:08:28 yay! Jan 21 16:08:38 can you stop it and start it again a few times? Jan 21 16:08:40 zecke: Interestingly, I've just pulled from ewi into a tree I'd packed myself. Looks like it has to pull a complete pack file to extract and item contained within it :-/ Jan 21 16:09:04 RP: so packing is not always the answer? :} Jan 21 16:09:17 Not neccessarily a problem, just something we have to watch... Jan 21 16:09:28 RP: well the packs will grow in size? Jan 21 16:09:36 RP: or will you have more than one pack? Jan 21 16:09:38 zecke: No, we just create more packs Jan 21 16:09:50 We make sure not to merge the packs too often Jan 21 16:10:07 RP: can we guarantee that? Jan 21 16:11:01 zecke: Yes, don't use the repack command :) Jan 21 16:11:13 zecke: Use pack instead... Jan 21 16:11:41 is this git? Jan 21 16:11:45 mithro: yes Jan 21 16:13:48 Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y Jan 21 16:13:48 Preconfiguring packages . Jan 21 16:13:52 it is stuck here :} Jan 21 16:14:34 RP: could you give me cg-clone line I could use? Jan 21 16:14:49 zecke: which you use to reformat mails? they are hard to read lately.. Jan 21 16:14:53 ? Jan 21 16:15:16 hrw: sorry, apple mail. I might need to switch to a decent one Jan 21 16:15:34 hrw: this is one thing that annoys me as well Jan 21 16:16:57 zecke: is the uml working or not? Jan 21 16:17:44 mithro: besides that the aptitude upgrade seems stuck... Jan 21 16:17:47 I can't seem to ping it Jan 21 16:17:56 zecke: Looks like I need to set this up to use git-shell. I'm working on it :) Jan 21 16:18:11 zecke: i'll let you figure out that problem Jan 21 16:19:15 see ya! Jan 21 16:19:18 i'm off to bed Jan 21 16:19:20 does bitbake recently refused to use "inherit something" in local.conf? Jan 21 16:20:13 I want to 'inherit sourcepkg' and do one bitbake -b build Jan 21 16:20:50 mithro: no not working :} Jan 21 16:25:01 zecke: welp I may not be around again till next month (maybe for a short time tommorrow) Jan 21 16:25:11 so i'm afraid i've done all I can Jan 21 16:25:17 have a gnight! Jan 21 16:25:27 mithro: cya Jan 21 16:25:35 cu mithro Jan 21 16:26:25 hrw: You can't inherit in .conf files - use INHERIT = "..." Jan 21 16:27:28 ah.. yep.. Jan 21 16:27:39 forgot that Jan 21 16:30:50 hrw: was my mail too unfriendly Jan 21 16:32:33 it was as friendly as usual (when it comes to you <> ljp talk about qtopia) Jan 21 16:32:59 03nail 07org.oe.dev * reb891f9c... 10/packages/util-linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jan 21 16:32:59 util-linux: Upstream upgrade to 2.12r Jan 21 16:32:59 Split off mount to separate package Jan 21 16:32:59 Fix fdisk thumb compilation problem. Jan 21 16:33:11 there is a reason Archos, Motorola never used or will not use Qtopia :} Jan 21 16:33:40 hrw: what makes me crazy is his Opie is incompatible claiming... he has never ever touched library/libqpe... Jan 21 16:34:00 archos did not used qtopia? I was thinking that they did Jan 21 16:34:06 zecke: I think I just managed to update oegit from ewi via a tree on a third system :) Jan 21 16:35:17 hrw: http://lists.trolltech.com/marketplace/2005-12/thread00003-0.html Jan 21 16:35:26 hrw: I read it as future Archos will not use Qtopia Jan 21 16:35:39 zecke: from my POV its rather gcc incompatibility then source level - but I never tried qtopia before today (or few days when bought Z) Jan 21 16:35:41 zecke: Something like "git clone ssh://zecke@oegit.rpsys.net/home/oegit somewhere" should clone it - I think you might have tried something like that though :) Jan 21 16:36:52 Fetching tags... Jan 21 16:36:52 New branch: 5187f84a9add07a2f5383ccc295a9e3ac80e5198 Jan 21 16:36:52 Cloned to rpsys-git/ (origin ssh://zecke@oegit.rpsys.net/home/oegit available as branch "origin") Jan 21 16:38:13 RP: how do I pull the fam083 branch into my git tree? Jan 21 16:39:55 hrw: libmimedir is still b0rked in 354 Jan 21 16:40:31 RP: oh cg-fetch fetches the pack again :} Jan 21 16:40:37 that is not nice Jan 21 16:40:45 CoreDump|home: I was able to build it rigth from branch Jan 21 16:41:20 checkout from today, rebuild from scratch, failed at staging Jan 21 16:42:24 d78e5658789a753a1c5a06f7238b2035a427f88e fixed it for me Jan 21 16:42:40 zecke: At a guess you'd do something like "git checkout -b fam083oz354; git pull famozbranch" Jan 21 16:42:47 CoreDump|home: remove source from dl_dir Jan 21 16:48:23 walk 1e29ccea81eecf20e261d9dd3381a469dea1bd1f Jan 21 16:48:24 Merging HEAD with c01dbdba441cba85a87a4454f8e0563cedf7cbba Jan 21 16:48:24 Merging: Jan 21 16:48:24 5187f84a9add07a2f5383ccc295a9e3ac80e5198 [project @ bb0acdc6b3b3e3a264209a9f0094212e7f83e31a] Jan 21 16:48:27 c01dbdba441cba85a87a4454f8e0563cedf7cbba [project @ c4967538c222976c9f5a457b5c7dea73804f8ffc] Jan 21 16:48:36 deleted sources from dldir+dldir/cvs, failed again Jan 21 16:49:03 copying working version from old tree Jan 21 16:49:17 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r0329ed14... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Jan 21 16:49:17 linux-openzaurus 2.6.14-rc1: make it more quiet on c7x0 Jan 21 16:49:17 - no messages from wm8731 during suspend/resume Jan 21 16:49:17 - no cpu_dump_info() during suspend/resume Jan 21 16:49:18 RP: many conflicts Jan 21 16:52:27 Automatic merge failed; fix up by hand Jan 21 16:53:29 zecke: I guess we need to go back in time before forming the branch... Jan 21 16:53:45 well it found a common ancestor :} Jan 21 16:55:02 git-revert was fast Jan 21 17:08:28 NOTE: package libmimedir-0.3.1+cvs-20060102: completed Jan 21 17:09:44 CoreDump|home: with branch one or patched? Jan 21 17:09:54 pached Jan 21 17:10:02 from oe bug notes Jan 21 17:10:36 I will probably try during next days new fresh build Jan 21 17:11:28 I'm bit tired of that 3.5.4 releasing.. it's over 9 months already Jan 21 17:11:51 http://pastebin.ca/37918 Jan 21 17:11:56 hrw: =) Jan 21 17:12:59 CoreDump|home: I know - I wrote that patch Jan 21 17:13:28 that's a diff against branch Jan 21 17:13:57 so your branch is a bit old Jan 21 17:14:22 nope, few hours old actually Jan 21 17:14:41 http://pastebin.com/516826 is branch one Jan 21 17:16:51 zecke: motorola started ezx years ago, before qtopia phone was even a thought. that is why they havent used qtopia phone. Archos has very specific needs, more than qtopia pda can provide them. Jan 21 17:18:22 ljp: ah so my interpreation about this archos mail is right? Jan 21 17:19:21 mehhh Jan 21 17:19:51 cg-log does not work with bsd date :} Jan 21 17:19:55 hrw: well my copy is a few hours old. that version of yours was checked in 4hrs ago lol Jan 21 17:20:14 CoreDump|home: always try with latest source they said... Jan 21 17:20:35 ljp: even if you don't believe it, I want Qtopia to succeed Jan 21 17:20:41 ljp: but it will be a tough way Jan 21 17:22:55 59 zaurus machines in my spreadsheet.. plus few extra which I do not have in it.. Jan 21 17:23:58 one day I will drop zaurus line and get normal portrait pda Jan 21 17:27:49 RP: oegit is reachable? Jan 21 17:27:55 ah okay Jan 21 17:28:13 zecke: yes Jan 21 17:28:44 zecke: Have you managed to merge the branch in? Jan 21 17:29:11 RP: no I'm searching git version of 776f76fe495350009610233da25b36aa5c732d3f Jan 21 17:29:26 from 27th of August (but my BSD date is not liked by git log) Jan 21 17:29:53 RP: I would start with the oz354 branch and then pull anything in from head Jan 21 17:30:10 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=4f334b998e314ddeafc3f90045f463639dc8bb74 Jan 21 17:30:11 commit 1e2bf5270c6510c14e523733a278873a3f00b19f Jan 21 17:30:12 Author: tailor Jan 21 17:30:12 Date: Mon Sep 26 23:18:06 2005 +0200 Jan 21 17:30:12 [project @ 776f76fe495350009610233da25b36aa5c732d3f] Jan 21 17:30:13 ucslugc: move to kernel 2.6.14-rc2 and ucslugc-3 Jan 21 17:30:21 thanks Jan 21 17:30:24 I was one step ahead... Jan 21 17:30:33 but it still didn't merge cleanly :-/ Jan 21 17:30:57 use 'use head' merging strategy Jan 21 17:31:19 but how does refspec work? Jan 21 17:32:07 refspec? Jan 21 17:32:14 I'm demanded to go to bed Jan 21 17:32:24 man git-pull Jan 21 17:32:32 start:end Jan 21 17:32:33 I'm also too tired to think about this properly :) Jan 21 17:33:06 git... there is qgit so it will be easier to look/filter through it.. Jan 21 17:33:21 need to go to bed... Jan 21 17:33:23 cya tomorrow Jan 21 17:33:50 zecke: same here. 'night! Jan 21 17:34:24 hrw: any word? Jan 21 17:35:08 Pendu: ? Jan 21 17:35:15 about the feed Jan 21 17:35:24 I gave you my email addy last time we talked Jan 21 17:35:46 ah.. Pendalar - sorry Jan 21 17:37:12 s'ok =-) just didn't want it to go to waste Jan 21 17:37:49 poo wyvern server is down Jan 21 17:38:52 I know I should probably look to the mailing list but with moving and a new baby I can't really keep up with it Jan 21 17:38:59 and hence pester you =-) Jan 21 17:39:10 ok - nothing changed ;( Jan 21 17:39:20 was it even debated? Jan 21 17:39:25 or just ignored altogether Jan 21 17:39:49 tried to get it debated, was ignored Jan 21 17:39:57 -_- Jan 21 17:40:31 hmm Jan 21 17:40:47 prismstumbler seems to have issues i think ... Jan 21 17:40:55 >>OZ.PDAI.ORG 50G transfer, 1.75G diskspace Jan 21 17:41:12 outdated and unusable.. Jan 21 17:42:49 is there someone I should pester specifically hrw? Jan 21 17:44:28 koen, mickeyl Jan 21 17:44:53 koen as admin of ewi (main server), mickeyl as OZ main boss Jan 21 17:45:42 it's been some months but I thought mickeyl told me to talk to you.. prob mistaken Jan 21 17:45:48 what's your official status now? Jan 21 17:45:57 nearly release manager Jan 21 17:46:09 that's make sense then Jan 21 17:46:25 because I need access to the releases and feeds more so than the webpages Jan 21 17:47:22 zecke: qtopia _is_ succeeding http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2011/phillips_vp-5500_voip Jan 21 17:47:23 thats why I posted mail to oz-devel, you, koen in 2005-11-25. to get info who need what.. Jan 21 17:48:03 before it was a bit more simple Jan 21 17:48:15 just had access to oz @ sf account Jan 21 17:48:49 hmm. try this one http://www.press.ce.philips.com/apps/c_dir/e3379701.nsf/0/053DF324F0787E8BC12570590046EB64?opendocument Jan 21 17:49:11 I want linux on my axim =-( Jan 21 17:49:19 or get my TS fixed on my sl5500 Jan 21 17:50:00 re Jan 21 17:50:08 fscking machine died again ;( Jan 21 17:50:46 Pendalar: I want stable desktop machine ;( Jan 21 17:51:03 windows? Jan 21 17:51:07 linux Jan 21 17:51:16 rather hardware problems Jan 21 17:51:39 the only problem I've had with linux locking up was the first box I had .. had faulty usb hardware on the front port Jan 21 17:51:49 but when I think which I should change in this box I quickly run out of ideas Jan 21 17:51:58 it'd fail to completely boot about every other time, but once I figured it out and disabled.. was good Jan 21 17:52:08 what is it doing? Jan 21 17:52:21 Pendalar: here if usb die in kernel machine works Jan 21 17:52:40 Pendalar: from time to time hang hardly - even SysRq does not help Jan 21 17:53:09 I assume you blow it out from time to time Jan 21 17:53:31 sooo.. overheating or power box maybe? Jan 21 17:54:46 Pendalar: and that the miracle... with one psu it is loud but <50C on cpu. with another its quieter, cpu goes to 60C Jan 21 17:54:54 hangs in both situations Jan 21 17:55:23 hmm.. Jan 21 17:55:36 I do not want to exchange case to be able to add some fans in front Jan 21 17:55:52 does it freeze randomly or are you always doing the same thing when it happens? Jan 21 17:56:14 random and it does not even have to be 100% cpu Jan 21 17:56:56 I assume when this happens you can't ssh in from remote.. Jan 21 17:57:05 and ofcourse under linux I do not have an option to get dmesg after reboot ;( (or does not found a way for it) Jan 21 17:57:16 Pendalar: its totally died then Jan 21 17:57:35 how often does this happen? Jan 21 17:57:57 sometimes few per hour, sometime few per day Jan 21 17:58:05 hrw does your case have usb in the fron and are they connected? Jan 21 17:58:11 front* Jan 21 17:58:19 is it a compaq? heh Jan 21 17:58:53 emte: it has, and they are connected to mainboard via 10 wires wide cable - each pin separatelly connected to mainboard Jan 21 17:59:05 hrw, try disconnecting them Jan 21 17:59:10 Pendalar: its no-brand-aq Jan 21 17:59:27 there seems to be a well know issue of problems with them including random lockups Jan 21 17:59:35 emte: nice idea - too bad that I connect '8-in-1' card read to them Jan 21 17:59:50 none on the back? Jan 21 18:00:15 yeah seriously.. buy you a hub and put in the back ports Jan 21 18:00:27 emte: back has 4 but is under desk and I have >10 cables at back Jan 21 18:01:11 buy a keyboard with a hub in it? Jan 21 18:01:13 :) Jan 21 18:01:33 power, mouse, keyboard, collie cradle, ethernet, tv cable, tv remote, tv sound to soundcard loop, few power supplies, vga cable, vga power Jan 21 18:01:43 I have about 40 because 2 of my comps are stacked Jan 21 18:01:54 emte: microsoft does not made 'natural media keyboard' with hub ;( Jan 21 18:02:08 eww Jan 21 18:02:15 hrw anyways is it dual boot or just linux? Jan 21 18:02:34 I have desktop under desk + router/AP, cablemodem, subwoofer Jan 21 18:02:39 Pendalar: I use only linux Jan 21 18:02:45 hmm Jan 21 18:02:58 anuone use a linksys wireless G card? Jan 21 18:03:06 on thier pda Jan 21 18:03:09 I have most of that + dell pda cradle + PAP2/phone Jan 21 18:03:15 and lava lamps.. Jan 21 18:03:17 emte: I use that ergonomic keyboard(s) since Feb05 Jan 21 18:03:58 Pendalar: how does pap2 works? I was thinking about voip and pap2 looks like cheapest solution without having computer running Jan 21 18:04:13 it's a gateway Jan 21 18:04:21 ethernet->pap2->regular phone Jan 21 18:04:25 emte: Agere based one? Jan 21 18:04:26 just handles the proxy info etc Jan 21 18:04:42 not sure ... its a WCF54G Jan 21 18:04:47 I have some linksys wifi CF in a drawer.. use a socket one now Jan 21 18:04:48 Pendalar: I meant - does it do it well? Jan 21 18:04:58 WCF11 or something don't remember Jan 21 18:05:03 none of the drivers in familiar seem to run it correctly Jan 21 18:05:10 it depends on your provider and the pap2 is locked for vonage Jan 21 18:05:12 Pendalar: wcf11 is b one Jan 21 18:05:18 unless you are willing to hack / unlock it Jan 21 18:05:32 Pendalar: I would rather buy non-branded one here Jan 21 18:05:42 I've personally never used vonage, but the provider I use.. which is in california.. I'm in GA Jan 21 18:05:44 sounds perfect Jan 21 18:05:45 you could just buy a linksys/cisco one Jan 21 18:05:50 under $40 Jan 21 18:05:59 but then again I get to use the highest grade codec, which I wouldn't with vonage Jan 21 18:06:09 emte: you probably need Agere driver - hard to automate Jan 21 18:06:16 I did have a cisco ip phone, it was bulky and non-wireless.. trashed it Jan 21 18:06:25 hrw, page/instructions exist? Jan 21 18:06:49 emte: yep - google for '0x0156 0x0003 pcmcia' Jan 21 18:07:00 this is hooked up with a 5.8GHz phone .. the codec I use is a lower bandwidth but higher quality Jan 21 18:07:01 Pendalar, the standalone you use with a reg phone? Jan 21 18:07:05 Pendalar: does 170kbps upload will be enough? Jan 21 18:07:27 hrw, valid for CF as well? Jan 21 18:07:30 * hrw has 1536/170 link @home Jan 21 18:07:31 yes, and should be depending on codec Jan 21 18:07:49 emte: it handle pci and pcmcia Jan 21 18:07:55 emte: and CF == pcmcia Jan 21 18:07:58 I can be downloading on my other 2 boxes and on the phone, don't notice Jan 21 18:08:16 my codec supposedly only pulls like 8k because of the compression Jan 21 18:08:41 it's hooked up to some bud's * network in cali Jan 21 18:08:42 ok. first have to buy any headset to test how does it works with softphone Jan 21 18:09:14 it doesn't work with softphones I assume Jan 21 18:09:17 ok. goes to sleep - 02:10 here Jan 21 18:09:24 hrw, just asking because the pcmcia stuff no longer works in familiar Jan 21 18:09:25 it's got a rj45 in and 2 rj11's out Jan 21 18:09:32 atleast for my sleeve Jan 21 18:10:01 Pendalar: first I have to test voip at all, then select good provider for voip, then go to buyin pap2 and connect normal phone for it Jan 21 18:10:13 emte: h3600? Jan 21 18:10:20 there's a few free providers but you have to call "in network" Jan 21 18:10:25 hrw, yeah Jan 21 18:10:35 like stanaphone .. gizmo project Jan 21 18:10:57 this custom I can call them, stanaphone, vonage (sometimes), and others Jan 21 18:11:05 emte: friend has h3870 + pcmcia/battery sleeve and complain a lot about kernels used in familiar 0.8.2+ Jan 21 18:11:14 oh hrw before you go Jan 21 18:11:23 you could do a simple bash script for your problem Jan 21 18:11:29 assuming you do get a dmesg entry Jan 21 18:11:41 every so many minutes dmesg > file Jan 21 18:11:51 make a trigger for if it reboots, stop Jan 21 18:11:52 hrw, 0.8.2 works fine for me Jan 21 18:12:00 0.8.3 has huge issues Jan 21 18:12:08 not only with pcmcia Jan 21 18:12:14 you could do it every so many seconds to track the problem Jan 21 18:12:17 Pendalar: most of calls I have not in network - I have free hours after 20:00 + free weekends (pay extra monthly) Jan 21 18:12:25 with any luck, you'll capture the last dmesg Jan 21 18:12:41 Pendalar: and have to do it to 'sync' mounted media Jan 21 18:13:28 there might be a better way to do it, but that would work Jan 21 18:13:32 thx for idea - will try Jan 21 18:13:44 have a nice day/night Jan 21 18:13:46 tc Jan 21 18:13:58 ~tv Jan 21 18:14:00 ~tc Jan 21 18:14:04 methinks tv is modprobe bttv msp3400 tuner; wmtvmotv Jan 21 18:14:06 tc is probably the Debian Test Cycle Trafic Control, a program for defining QoS rules in 2.4 (backported?), or in iproute package. Jan 21 18:14:20 bye Jan 21 18:14:45 ah also get freeworlddialup access on this, not that I know anyone on it Jan 21 18:14:54 er Jan 21 18:14:58 it means take care Jan 21 18:15:20 * Pendalar smacks ibot for not knowing common net lingo Jan 21 18:16:14 hrw|gone, before you go, what is the issue with Agere ? Jan 21 18:16:24 the posts say the source is availible Jan 21 18:18:20 hmm Jan 21 18:18:26 Bug solved with latest updates pcmcia-cs 3.2.7-2.1 and kernel 2.6.9-1.724_FC3. Jan 21 18:40:31 well this is silly ... Jan 21 18:40:49 why is wlan not built for anything besides the 4700? Jan 21 19:19:30 zecke or koen|sleep: can you do a git-update-server-info in http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/other_scms/git/org.nslu2-linux.dev/ ? Jan 21 19:50:57 hello Jan 21 19:52:42 I have a few questions about the packages in the org.openembedded.dev tree Jan 21 19:52:56 I'm a Zaurus user, with a borzoi Jan 21 19:53:10 and I can't seem to figure out a way to build an X kdepimpi Jan 21 19:53:25 nor any version of mplayer not using QT Jan 21 21:40:03 RP: !!! ping Jan 21 21:40:28 RP: apparently, C760 has a builtin mic Jan 21 23:15:15 * france is back (gone 50:43:19) Jan 21 23:49:12 ibot: seen kergoth Jan 21 23:49:22 kergoth was last seen on IRC in channel ##ace, 10d 2h 8m 44s ago, saying: 'no doubt'. Jan 21 23:49:50 err.. did he move again? Jan 21 23:59:50 no Jan 21 23:59:52 new job Jan 22 00:00:02 some exo-skeleton company Jan 22 00:27:37 * france is away: Away Jan 22 00:41:51 hi to all ... Jan 22 00:42:16 does someone have try to build familiar-devel for h3600 (kernel 2.4) Jan 22 00:43:11 i got this error : Jan 22 00:43:26 ERROR: Nothing provides (2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37) Jan 22 00:43:26 ERROR: dependency (2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37) (for alsa-driver) not satisfied Jan 22 00:44:12 it's normal it state just '2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37' and not 'kernel_2.4.19-...' ??? Jan 22 00:55:56 familiar dev builds fine Jan 22 00:56:43 as well you may want to check that your not building a 2.6 kernel if you have 2.4 deps Jan 22 01:15:53 hi all Jan 22 01:16:31 morning ;) Jan 22 01:17:37 emte sure i'm building 2.4 and i what wipe out all my changes ... Jan 22 01:17:59 odd Jan 22 01:18:05 i never had an issue with that Jan 22 01:18:17 built it yesterday Jan 22 01:19:09 but is normal bitbake state '2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37' without kernel in head ? Jan 22 01:19:27 yeah i'd expect so Jan 22 01:19:32 its just a message Jan 22 01:19:42 mhh ok ... Jan 22 01:19:48 i try to check again ... Jan 22 01:19:56 if you want anything useful look in the log files Jan 22 01:20:14 as opposed to what it generates as an error messgae Jan 22 01:20:24 message* Jan 22 01:22:44 ok Jan 22 01:31:25 btw: "kopete" in the dialect of my region means "kill yourself!" :-) Jan 22 01:38:52 again -> ERROR: Nothing provides (2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37) Jan 22 01:39:53 but kernel and modules .ipkg are built !!! Jan 22 02:16:17 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rb83ce79d... 10/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Jan 22 02:16:18 ixp4xx-kernel: new LED driver in 2.6.15.1 Jan 22 02:16:18 slugos-init: update for new LED support in 0.10 Jan 22 02:16:20 - the kernel now uses the RP LED driver code, the new patches add Jan 22 02:16:22 a generic ixp4xx driver and board level definitions for nslu2, loft Jan 22 02:16:24 and nas100d Jan 22 02:55:42 good morning Jan 22 02:55:42 NOTE: bb.build.FuncFailed:("can't read from file '%s' (%s)", ('/mnt/hda/oe/build/tmp/staging/h3600-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion', )) while evaluating: Jan 22 02:55:43 ${@base_read_file('/mnt/hda/oe/build/tmp/staging/h3600-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion')} Jan 22 02:56:01 any clue ? Jan 22 02:56:44 bad bitbake version? Jan 22 02:57:15 mhh as i think i'm doinf svn update now ... Jan 22 02:57:40 I believe that will happen with any version <334 Jan 22 02:59:17 i'm 336 now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 22 02:59:57 2006