**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 23 10:59:56 2006 Feb 23 11:00:11 hrw|work: I've seen that on my akita before, I'm now asking what machine is he using Feb 23 11:01:03 Bernardo: I used opie-networksettings many times to configure wifi on my c760 and collie and always get managed then used managed Feb 23 11:01:30 he has a collie Feb 23 11:03:55 strange thing Feb 23 11:04:04 * Bernardo is still fighting mplayer-atty Feb 23 11:05:45 even with chkhinge installed, linked to /home/QtPalmtop/bin, and detecting my akita is "case open landscape" mplayer-atty will still try to show movies in 480x640 and not in 640x480 Feb 23 11:05:50 Bernardo: making bvdd work? Feb 23 11:06:15 XorA: that will be next step Feb 23 11:06:19 Bernardo: you fb is always 480x640, you need -vf rotate=1 Feb 23 11:06:45 Bernardo: when bvdd works, that driver has the rotate as a hardware blit built in Feb 23 11:06:52 (assuming I get qemu + kubuntu working fast enough to build some stuff here at work) Feb 23 11:07:05 Bernardo: use colinux not qemu Feb 23 11:07:16 Bernardo: Ive built on that and it runs at native cpu speed Feb 23 11:07:58 I've tried colinux some time ago, but couldn't get it to work Feb 23 11:08:02 maybe it's time to try again Feb 23 11:08:21 I've already arrived to the conclusion that at home I never have time to do much Feb 23 11:08:44 Bernardo: as long as you can get an admin to install the driver, or have admin access yourself, it runs well when I try it, Ive got gentoo in colinux on my machine Feb 23 11:08:48 with my daughter and wife wanting some attention, I get 10-20 minutes tops computer usage/day at home Feb 23 11:09:03 XorA: the problem is the driver Feb 23 11:09:14 the machines here are very much locked up Feb 23 11:09:23 and we have very restrictive group policies Feb 23 11:10:31 Bernardo: not a visual studio using dev house then? Feb 23 11:11:26 a bank... I do have VS installed on my machine, but had to kill a few guys before being allowed to install it Feb 23 11:11:46 hehe Feb 23 11:12:50 Bernardo: ah, I just was always amused that the debugger in VS wont actually debug without admin rights, in what world of stupid did microsoft invent that from Feb 23 11:13:41 XorA: To attach to a process's memory space, you need the correct access token.. out of the box, that privilege's only granted to local admins. Feb 23 11:13:52 morning morning Feb 23 11:13:55 It's a NT thing rather than visual studio Feb 23 11:14:10 I do have admin rights on this machine (thank god for linux boot floppies), but the group profiles disable a lot of stuff Feb 23 11:14:26 NAbyss: but you can run gdb out of the box on unix without persuading some windoze admin to fiddle with domain policies Feb 23 11:14:38 NAbyss: its one of the most braindead things ever Feb 23 11:14:48 hrw|work: forget about my friend, is /etc/network/intefaces file is kosher Feb 23 11:14:50 XorA: Correct.. it is somewhat braindead, but I can see why they did it Feb 23 11:15:00 hrw|work: he was confusing terms only Feb 23 11:15:06 NAbyss: as a windows sysadmin its fscking insane Feb 23 11:15:13 Bernardo: happens Feb 23 11:16:33 XorA: Frustrating as hell, I can agree.. but to stop people getting into other process' memoryspaces.. it's a wise thing, given how bad "protected" memory was with win9x. Personally, I'd like to see it more unix-like.. but I don't think that's going to happen.. although I haven't tried Delphi under Vista yet Feb 23 11:22:59 morning all Feb 23 11:24:03 hey do13_ Feb 23 11:25:14 hi dirk Feb 23 11:25:25 hey hrw|work, koen Feb 23 11:25:46 hrw|work: The new apmd version works much better Feb 23 11:26:04 hrw|work: Did you checked bluepin? Feb 23 11:26:14 do13_: great Feb 23 11:26:25 do13_: no - my bt card decided to die rather then work Feb 23 11:26:35 hrw|work: http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/bluepin.png Feb 23 11:26:55 hmm.. Feb 23 11:27:11 do13_: can you check cvs opie-bluepin? Feb 23 11:27:53 hrw|work: do you have an ipkg? Feb 23 11:27:58 hi all. has someone any idea why Xfbdev hangs in ioctl(0, KDGKBENT, 0xbea9ad60) = 0 (strace output) Feb 23 11:28:18 do13_: no but will build Feb 23 11:29:20 do13_: ipkg install http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/opie-bluepin_1.2.1+cvs-20060102-r0_arm.ipk Feb 23 11:29:31 hrw|work: and wlan-ng crashed sometimes .... Feb 23 11:29:58 do13_: wontfix - never even saw tosa machine Feb 23 11:30:32 hrw|work: Thanks, I hope I can test bluepin after work. Feb 23 11:30:58 <_law_> if i try to build a new gpe-image bb always fails :-( any ideas http://pastebin.com/568326 Feb 23 11:31:09 do13_: ok - this version is resized to fit whole screen, buttons can be pressed by fingers even etc Feb 23 11:31:31 _law_: bitbake -b quilt-native_0.39.bb Feb 23 11:31:37 <_law_> koen, do you have similar problems? you build an .dev image in the last time or? Feb 23 11:31:46 <_law_> hrw|work, a ok -b Feb 23 11:32:16 hrw|work: ok. But why is no text inside the buttons? Feb 23 11:33:15 do13_: probably lack of OPIEDIR/QTDIR when it is called so it cannot find fonts Feb 23 11:36:34 _law_: I booted an image from .dev yesterday Feb 23 11:36:47 wow Feb 23 11:36:55 packages/linux/* is quite broken Feb 23 11:37:31 fix them? Feb 23 11:38:11 * tigger^ couldn't get recent .dev to build Feb 23 11:38:22 so I'm trying -prejan2006breakage Feb 23 11:38:25 hrw|work: yeah, sed is running Feb 23 11:38:25 or whatever it is Feb 23 11:40:30 hrw|work: fixed Feb 23 11:41:08 hrw|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=5dc03a4f61ff65b8e7255e287dd9ead584c6c81f Feb 23 11:41:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5dc03a4f... 10/packages/linux/ (24 files): linux kernels: use DEPLOY_DIR_IMAGE instead in DEPLOY_DIR/images Feb 23 11:42:24 koen@bitbake:/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/deploy/images$ ls Feb 23 11:42:30 c7x0 h3600 h3900 Feb 23 11:42:41 finally some order in the chaos Feb 23 11:43:23 yep Feb 23 11:43:42 I use it with test images - deploy/images/3.5.4-test5/c7x0/ Feb 23 11:45:09 I'm trying to make angstrom as polished as possible, starting at the build :) Feb 23 11:46:03 koen: you have some time to 2006.9 release ;) Feb 23 11:46:12 :) Feb 23 11:46:24 koen: what will be the default GUI for Angstrom? ALP, Maemo, Qtopia4, GPE, Opie, Fluff, E18? Feb 23 11:46:55 zecke: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ of course Feb 23 11:47:33 koen: I see, nilsf is probably busy rewriting GPE using bf this time Feb 23 11:49:19 * zecke will write the "Howto learn eating Eclair's the hardway..." Feb 23 11:51:24 zecke: probably gpe, e and opie Feb 23 11:51:32 those seem to work Feb 23 11:52:59 koen: e need lot of flash now Feb 23 11:53:35 that's why they can boot from SD :) Feb 23 12:26:33 mickey|dinner: you might want to restart your mt server =) Feb 23 12:29:13 CoreDump|afk: is it dead? Feb 23 12:29:39 zecke: no it is accepting connections just fine put ignoring any push sent to it Feb 23 12:30:13 they push to ewi Feb 23 12:30:24 it's the reason why we have a distributed system Feb 23 12:30:44 CoreDump|afk: now? Feb 23 12:30:48 eds-dbus_svn has "dbus" its RDEPENDS, the resulting .ipk depends on "dbus" and "dbus-1 (>= 0.60)". is the latter added by shlibdeps? does that mean I just can remove dbus from RDEPENDS? Feb 23 12:30:50 and yes koen is right :) Feb 23 12:31:16 pH5: yes Feb 23 12:31:26 pH5: if it link with dbus then move dbus to DEPENDS Feb 23 12:31:28 pH5: I guess it has DEPENDS as build dependency already Feb 23 12:31:41 right Feb 23 12:31:53 pH5: yes then shlibs is doing the rest of the work Feb 23 12:32:06 * tigger^ sees messages that the kernel doesn't understand XSCALE_PMU and so on from the .config file... Feb 23 12:32:19 is this because that stuff either hasn't been ported or doesn't apply to 2.6? Feb 23 12:32:32 hm, that means the RDEPENDS="gconf dbus db libiconf" is superfluous altogether? Feb 23 12:32:45 (all of them are in DEPENDS already) Feb 23 12:32:55 pH5: yes Feb 23 12:33:32 pH5: do not add libs pacakges into rdepends - its shlibs work Feb 23 12:35:56 This is probably my fault for not correcting that in poky... Feb 23 12:36:32 pH5: If you rebuild your dbus after the recent debian.bbclass changes, you'd probably find your issues disappear Feb 23 12:36:56 i.e. dbus would get turned into dbus-1 Feb 23 12:37:08 is the dependency on gconf due to a lib, too? Feb 23 12:37:24 unknown Feb 23 12:37:40 evince, gkdial and libgsf explicitly rdepend on gconf(-dbus), too Feb 23 12:38:43 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r5d00faa4... 10/packages/altboot/ (4 files in 3 dirs): altboot: More kernel 2.4 fixes Feb 23 12:38:55 hrw|work: CoreDump|afk: what's the deal with the kernel 2.6 options that are unknown? Feb 23 12:39:04 is this just because it's a work in progress Feb 23 12:39:37 pH5: I suspect it might be a valid RDEPENDS but I'm asking someone who should know Feb 23 12:39:58 tigger^: I don't get the context of your question Feb 23 12:40:00 tigger^: ke? Feb 23 12:40:36 CoreDump|afk: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17632 - any idea how to resolve that 'collecting cash for poodle'? Feb 23 12:41:33 If I run make menuconfig in the kernel build dir I see errors from that it doesn't understand some of the options in defconfig-cxxx Feb 23 12:41:35 not really. Feb 23 12:41:50 cx00 Feb 23 12:41:51 even Feb 23 12:41:59 tigger^: ARCH=arm make menuconfig? Feb 23 12:42:05 pH5: I'm told it should link against gconf so shouldn't need the rdepends Feb 23 12:42:26 hrw|work: fixed it :) Feb 23 12:42:27 thanks Feb 23 12:42:28 brb Feb 23 12:43:02 ok, thanks. I'm going to remove that RDEPENDS line, then. Feb 23 12:43:20 pH5: Just check it picks everything up - if it does, I'm happy Feb 23 12:44:40 I want to make a package wich contains only one file, but this directory and file must have a specific uid and gid Feb 23 12:44:48 Depends: eds-dbus-locale*, libglib-2.0-0 (>= 2.8.6), libxml2 (>= 2.6.22), libz1 (>= 1.2.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.5+cvs20050627), gconf-dbus (>= 0.0+svn20060222), dbus-1 (>= 0.60), libiconv (>= 1.9.2), db (>= 4.3.29) Feb 23 12:44:57 when i use chown in the do_install() it doesn't work Feb 23 12:44:58 looks fine to me Feb 23 12:45:10 any suggestions? Feb 23 12:47:14 pH5: Fine with me :) Feb 23 12:50:31 CoreDump|afk: fakeroot Feb 23 12:50:35 Cobelius: fakeroot Feb 23 12:51:12 do you have an example? Feb 23 12:51:27 grep fakeroot packages/*/*.bb Feb 23 12:51:27 fakeroot do_install() { Feb 23 12:51:32 Feb 23 12:51:33 } Feb 23 12:52:11 wow gcj is working on ARM Feb 23 12:52:17 zecke: yay! Feb 23 12:52:22 pb__: awesome job! Feb 23 12:52:27 someone know mailing list with big amount of spam? I need to test spam filters Feb 23 12:53:05 RP: ok, done. Feb 23 12:53:11 hrw|work: handhelds@handhelds.org Feb 23 12:58:11 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rc945bc81... 10/packages/eds/eds-dbus_svn.bb: eds-dbus: remove erroneous RDEPENDS line Feb 23 13:00:04 zecke: thx - subscribed Feb 23 13:03:35 fakeroot doesn't helped Feb 23 13:06:12 14:12:02 (5.85 MB/s) - `/home/koen/OE/downloads/gcc-4.1-20060217.tar.bz2' saved [36815756/36815756] Feb 23 13:06:18 * koen hugs nluug.nl Feb 23 13:12:33 zecke: gcj on arm? Feb 23 13:12:38 katossi_uni: yes Feb 23 13:12:42 since when? Feb 23 13:13:00 katossi_uni: gcc4.0.2 using ARMv4 and SoftFloat runs Feb 23 13:13:26 buff great Feb 23 13:13:26 katossi_uni: We have a medium sized java app using xerces-j and log4j and it is working Feb 23 13:13:56 katossi_uni: a stripped Hello World app is 6mb in size :} Feb 23 13:14:12 katossi_uni: but this is due the gcj-4.0.2.jar we could easily strip down Feb 23 13:14:18 that is too good to be true, where can I find more info about that? Feb 23 13:14:49 katossi_uni: http://oe.pastebin.com/568409 Feb 23 13:14:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra9f324c2... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom: add some more PREFERRED_VERSIONS Feb 23 13:14:55 I really thought nobody was working on that Feb 23 13:14:56 katossi_uni: that is the diff :) Feb 23 13:15:07 katossi_uni: pb_ did AFAIK and gcj4.0.2 is working Feb 23 13:15:51 any test with awt or more complex examples? Feb 23 13:16:17 katossi_uni: none, this was a server application :) Feb 23 13:16:41 I will test with armv5tel and iwmmxt optimisations Feb 23 13:16:46 and not compiling with -Os Feb 23 13:17:28 is it in .dev already? Feb 23 13:17:34 I gues no Feb 23 13:17:54 morning Feb 23 13:17:58 hey chouimat Feb 23 13:18:29 katossi_uni: well build the gcc 4.0.2 and it will work Feb 23 13:20:48 NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1-20060217-r1: task do_configure: started Feb 23 13:20:53 * koen taps foot Feb 23 13:21:29 * pH5 keeps his fingers crossed Feb 23 13:21:50 koen: this the start of your EABIsation Feb 23 13:22:09 XorA: yes Feb 23 13:22:49 OTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1-20060217-r1: task do_compile: started Feb 23 13:22:52 so far, so good Feb 23 13:22:58 zecke: where can I specify the version of gcc to be used? Feb 23 13:23:04 * koen wonders what the ldflags.patch was supposed to do Feb 23 13:23:19 katossi_uni: PREFERRED_VERSION :) Feb 23 13:23:43 katossi_uni: http://oe.pastebin.com/568418 Feb 23 13:23:59 katossi_uni: this is the local.conf I used (to get armv4 optimisation) Feb 23 13:24:10 great thx Feb 23 13:24:14 katossi_uni: and then bitbake virtual/arm-linux-gcc is building gcc Feb 23 13:24:37 katossi_uni: and with the patch from earlier and up to date org.oe.dev you will have an arm-linux-gcj Feb 23 13:24:54 <_law_> is there an speed improvment if i use gcc 4 instead auf gcc 3 ? Feb 23 13:27:31 | /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/armv5te-linux/gcc-cross-initial-4.1-20060217-r1/gcc-4.1-20060217/libiberty/strsignal.c:553: error: conflicting types for 'psignal' Feb 23 13:27:36 | /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/arm-linux/include/signal.h:141: error: previous declaration of 'psignal' was here Feb 23 13:27:39 crap Feb 23 13:28:52 how big is kernel logo? Feb 23 13:29:24 640x480x16bit I guess Feb 23 13:30:24 * koen tries a clean build Feb 23 13:31:32 <[lala]> RP: ping Feb 23 13:31:42 [lala]: pong Feb 23 13:31:54 mickey|dinner: basysKom have an KDE3.5.1 konqueror running on Qt2-MT Feb 23 13:32:01 mickey|dinner: and everything is in KDE svn Feb 23 13:32:07 <[lala]> RP: just trying to compile zaurusd ... could it be that you forgot to set the deps? Feb 23 13:32:42 [lala]: It does need the correct depednecies adding, yes Feb 23 13:32:58 <[lala]> RP: ok, which ones do i need? Feb 23 13:33:22 zecke: sorry for asking stupid things but, should I patch gcc myself with your diff or can I place it somewhere so it gets automatically patched Feb 23 13:33:31 [lala]: DEPENDS = "alsa-utils tslib" ? Feb 23 13:33:41 katossi_uni: you patch a bitbake file Feb 23 13:33:48 [lala]: alsa-utils is a RDEPENDS actually... Feb 23 13:33:48 katossi_uni: you patch your OE tree :) Feb 23 13:34:12 [lala]: Which error did you see? Feb 23 13:34:28 I know, but I thought I could place a patch so everytime I compile that the patch is apllied Feb 23 13:34:28 <[lala]> RP: not finding tslib-0.0 Feb 23 13:34:58 [lala]: Also make sure you got the fix for tslib (adding pkgconfig to the inherit) Feb 23 13:35:18 <[lala]> RP: ok Feb 23 13:38:46 [lala]: you OE tree is too old Feb 23 13:40:00 <[lala]> koen: im aware of that, but i cannot update atm. Feb 23 13:48:13 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rfa60f957... 10/packages/python/ (python-2.4.2-manifest.inc python_2.4.2.bb): Feb 23 13:48:13 python 2.4.2: add python-mailbox subpackage, add _ssl extension module to python-io Feb 23 13:48:13 based on a patch by Graeme Gregory, thanks! Feb 23 13:48:38 katossi_uni: heh? Feb 23 13:48:51 katossi_uni: please reread and look at the patch and come back to me Feb 23 13:49:01 mickey|dinner: cheers Feb 23 13:49:12 zecke: ok Feb 23 13:49:54 katossi_uni: just one question to speed it up. How many directories you have seen have a structure like packages/gcc/ or packages/qte? Feb 23 13:49:55 mickey|dinner: will you update .oz354fam083 too? Feb 23 13:50:07 katossi_uni: or do you remove the OE directory after every build? Feb 23 13:50:22 zecke: no way! Feb 23 13:50:45 katossi_uni: so I don't understand your question :) Feb 23 13:51:12 zecke: sorry I misunderstood something Feb 23 13:51:12 katossi_uni: cd org.openembedded.dev; patch -p0 < the_patch.patch :) Feb 23 13:51:23 I know I know Feb 23 13:51:39 :) don't worry Feb 23 13:53:35 hi Feb 23 13:53:40 hey Feb 23 13:54:21 hrw|work: the one thing I've noticed on my akita with 3.5.4-test* is that I can't get sound to work Feb 23 13:55:10 Bernardo: hmm.. Feb 23 13:56:12 also, fstab has /media/usbhdd for /dev/sda1 (usb keys? mine has no partition table, so it is /dev/sda) , but there is no /media/usbhdd dir on the akita Feb 23 14:01:40 Bernardo: I guess you unmuted the right thigs with amixer, didn't you? Feb 23 14:01:49 katossi_uni: 2.4 kernel use OSS Feb 23 14:02:04 sorry, talking about 2.6 Feb 23 14:02:09 yep, no alsa here Feb 23 14:02:35 with 2.6 I am still trying to understand what are all those settings in amixer Feb 23 14:03:03 zecke: no matter what I do with the patch I always get :Only garbage was found in the patch input Feb 23 14:03:30 katossi_uni: well then apply that one line by hand? Feb 23 14:03:51 ok Feb 23 14:03:53 still another problem (but that is probably opie only) the feed I generated doesn't show in package manager, even though I can install stuff from there using ipkg Feb 23 14:04:06 Bernardo: aqpkg? Feb 23 14:04:14 ~kill kde pim so called developers Feb 23 14:04:19 * ibot shoots a super-inverse fluxtachyon gun at kde pim so called developers Feb 23 14:04:21 hrw|work: hehe Feb 23 14:04:24 morning Feb 23 14:04:37 hrw|work: most of them are nice, dunno why KDEpim is so deeply broken Feb 23 14:04:41 zecke: yep. Nothing shows up as not installed Feb 23 14:04:58 Bernardo: aqpkg doesn't know about the /etc/ipkg directory Feb 23 14:05:07 hrw|work: why have you not abandoned that, you complain every day of it Feb 23 14:05:13 hrw|work: I think they use PIM from 10:00 to 10:30 Feb 23 14:05:25 hrw|work: I love that kmail is chewing one addressee after another Feb 23 14:05:27 XorA: I do not like evolution or thunderbird Feb 23 14:05:30 zecke: looks like my feed has too much stuff (meta-opie + iqnotes + kdepim + mplayer + xmms) Feb 23 14:06:07 zecke: but I've also downloaded the feed with aqpkg and still nothing Feb 23 14:06:12 hrw|work: evolution is just one huge train crash of a disater Feb 23 14:06:43 Bernardo: well aqpkg calls 'ipkg' so it can download each feed Feb 23 14:07:00 Bernardo: but still aqpkg doesn't know these feeds exists as it doesn't look into /etc/ipkg/* Feb 23 14:07:05 XorA: kde pim is ok when user does not try to use groupware (which is fscked) or intensive filtering Feb 23 14:07:20 Bernardo: workaround put all files from ipkg/* into ipkg.conf Feb 23 14:07:33 hrw|work: well evn in that case you lose data, or have weird crashes... Feb 23 14:07:40 hrw|work: well its in better state than evolution then Feb 23 14:07:41 I have the feed in /etc/ipkg.conf Feb 23 14:07:49 hrw|work: basicly cornelius killed KitchenSync by switching it to the great KDE Resource API Feb 23 14:08:32 and /usr/lib/ipkg/lists has the expanded Packages.gz Feb 23 14:08:53 Bernardo: you don't want to liste - fine Feb 23 14:11:31 zecke: sorry, I didn't understand Feb 23 14:13:11 Bernardo: aqpkg doesn't read /etc/ipkg/* (as it wasn't present when aqpkg was written) Feb 23 14:13:32 Bernardo: it doesn't know your feeds (e.g. /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/*) becuase it didn't see them! Feb 23 14:13:55 Bernardo: any it invokes ipkg -- and this tool sees the /etc/ipkg/* files Feb 23 14:14:12 Bernardo: a) fix aqpkg b) append everything from /etc/ipkg/* to /etc/ipkg.conf Feb 23 14:15:34 zecke: is gcc 4.02 stable enough to compile a whle image? Feb 23 14:15:40 zecke: ok. I don't have anything but arch in /etc/ipkg/ Feb 23 14:15:43 s/whle/whole Feb 23 14:18:25 katossi_uni, no, but if you wnat to test shadows's patches i am sure he woud appreciate it Feb 23 14:18:34 want* Feb 23 14:18:40 I love to Feb 23 14:19:16 emte: where can I get them? Feb 23 14:20:37 they get checked into the dev repo Feb 23 14:20:47 zecke: if what you meant was for me to "fix aqpkg" by changing the settings to make it look for the package lists in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists, then thanks, I found it fixed aqpkg for me Feb 23 14:20:48 katossi_uni: It depends on the image. bootstrap works... Feb 23 14:22:34 RP: gpe Feb 23 14:24:07 katossi_uni: getting closer all the time... Feb 23 14:24:37 Bernardo: oh then there was another bug as well Feb 23 14:24:45 Bernardo: where did it look? Feb 23 14:25:28 still segfaulted when I tried to install more than 5 packages, but at least now I have the whole list Feb 23 14:25:33 in /var/lib/ipkg Feb 23 14:25:43 interesting Feb 23 14:25:59 * Bernardo forgot that a / in the beginning of the line indicates a command in cgi:irc Feb 23 14:26:41 freyther: maybe that could be changed to point /usr/lib/ipkg/lists by default on oz354? Feb 23 14:28:24 as for /etc/ipkg/, only has arch.conf and I appended that to /etc/ipkg.conf Feb 23 14:28:42 is gcc 4.02 very different from 4.1? does makeing patches for 4.02 make sense when 4.1 is coming? Feb 23 14:28:54 <_law_> Bernardo, on what device ? Feb 23 14:29:11 _law_: akita Feb 23 14:29:34 <_law_> Bernardo, perhaps you should activate some swap Feb 23 14:29:37 oz354 generated from fam083oz354 branch on sunday Feb 23 14:29:51 <_law_> Bernardo, ipkg is memory eater Feb 23 14:29:56 _law_: yes, I'll activate the 64Mb swap I have on my sd card Feb 23 14:30:31 <_law_> Bernardo, after that you shouldnt have this problem Feb 23 14:30:32 yep, I had only 1Mb free mem now Feb 23 14:30:56 <_law_> had the same problem with collie :-) Feb 23 14:31:15 freyther: I remember njaard doing this (the ban) Feb 23 14:32:00 * Bernardo had to sell his collie some time ago, the wife didn't understand why would he keep a collie, a akita and a simpad and only use the akita Feb 23 14:32:56 Bernardo: okay I thin that 'bug' can be easily fixed Feb 23 14:34:40 freyther: looks like a configuration issue only, no? Feb 23 14:35:08 Bernardo: right Feb 23 14:37:36 /msg nickserv link cbrake cliffbrake Feb 23 14:40:55 ~lart isa server Feb 23 14:40:55 * ibot tries to shut isa server up Feb 23 14:44:14 hrw|work: after a reboot (installing lot's of libxine stuff broke aqpkg and hung opie) I now have sound Feb 23 14:44:26 ~lart microsft "technology" Feb 23 14:44:26 * ibot says "boot to the head" and knocks microsft "technology" over Feb 23 14:45:41 could opie need one of libxine's plugins to output sound? Feb 23 14:46:03 ~lart bank policy of using msft crap that keeps hanging Feb 23 14:46:03 * ibot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at bank policy of using msft crap that keeps hanging Feb 23 14:48:20 opie-mediaplayer does show qt movies - if I choose full screen output, then it will show in portrait even if I have the screen in landscape mode Feb 23 14:49:56 if it isn't in full screen, it will show the image below and left of the "output window", cropped to fit, so I lose the bottom third and a couple of lines of the left side of the movie Feb 23 14:56:50 <_law_> wow, scp -r root@foo:/* . now foo is dead :-) Feb 23 14:57:16 <_law_> ~lart fedora Feb 23 14:57:17 * ibot beats fedora into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy Feb 23 14:58:45 hehe Feb 23 14:58:50 _law_: rsync :) Feb 23 14:59:05 zecke: I could not compile gcc 4.02: configure: error: GMP with MPFR support is required to build f95 Feb 23 14:59:21 katossi_uni: how did you build it? Feb 23 14:59:30 bitbake gcc Feb 23 14:59:56 after changing the arm line from the inc file, and using PREFERRED_VERSION in local.conf Feb 23 15:00:11 katossi_uni: 1.) you found a bug 2.) you already have a gcj 3.) you didn't read what I wrote Feb 23 15:00:57 4.) you can try to disable fortran compiler Feb 23 15:01:13 katossi_uni: you built a native gcc Feb 23 15:01:22 katossi_uni: you want a cross compiler :) Feb 23 15:01:36 katossi_uni: this is why I said bitbake virtual/arm-linux-gcc Feb 23 15:01:58 katossi_uni: but that should have been buid now anyway Feb 23 15:02:07 oh yeah! so it was 3) after all Feb 23 15:03:42 katossi_uni: tmp/cross/bin/arm-linux-gcj could be there now Feb 23 15:03:57 it is indeed Feb 23 15:04:17 koobla: to build gcc it built the cross compiler Feb 23 15:04:44 katossi_uni: that was for you Feb 23 15:04:58 katossi_uni: and if you have a recent enough OE, you have a tmp/cross/share/java directory Feb 23 15:05:24 I thought so, btw, what about f95? am I the only one having problems? I could disable it for me Feb 23 15:05:45 katossi_uni: you might be the only one building a native gcc Feb 23 15:06:03 katossi_uni: it sounds like a missing DEPENDS Feb 23 15:06:38 could be Feb 23 15:07:05 <_law_> OT: how can i clone one hd to another? dd ? Feb 23 15:07:47 _law_: what is the content of the hd? Feb 23 15:07:54 _law_: this is what I would use, use a blocksize big enough :) Feb 23 15:08:30 <_law_> Bernardo, linux partitons Feb 23 15:10:10 <_law_> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb should this work? Feb 23 15:10:41 _law_: use bs of 4096 or such so it is faster - at least I think it is Feb 23 15:11:10 * Bernardo prefers a cp -a /* /ev/sda1/ Feb 23 15:12:01 * hrw|work too Feb 23 15:12:19 * zecke smelss GNUism Feb 23 15:13:42 RP: i'm trying some debug code Feb 23 15:13:57 RP: there isn't any additional output Feb 23 15:14:31 RP: if the AC charger is plugged in with the debug code on, the device never resumes no matter what. Feb 23 15:14:41 <_law_> if i do cp mbr will not be copied or? Feb 23 15:14:47 <_law_> with dd it doesn or? Feb 23 15:14:58 _law_: mbr.. lilo or grub? Feb 23 15:15:15 RP: if the AC charger is -not- plugged in, the device will resume if i have suspended it for a short period of time. eventually the device will not resume if left to suspend for a long time Feb 23 15:16:21 RP: same as before. there doesn't seem to be any debug output while the device is suspended Feb 23 15:17:40 <_law_> hrw|work, grub Feb 23 15:18:40 _law_: after copying I would reinstall grub in mbr anyway Feb 23 15:19:00 * koen hates grub Feb 23 15:19:11 it always breaks in new and mysterious ways Feb 23 15:19:23 at least lilo was easily fixable Feb 23 15:19:25 <_law_> hhhhcz, ok Feb 23 15:19:28 koen: but its much better then fscking lilo Feb 23 15:20:03 welcome to the world of LI where we can only say L or LILI Feb 23 15:20:19 or LI00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Feb 23 15:20:22 that's my favorite Feb 23 15:20:40 I like shell in grub Feb 23 15:21:07 shadows: Are you seeing the debug from the power management code Feb 23 15:21:31 RP: i see some debug output before the device suspends, yes Feb 23 15:21:37 it doesn't look very interesting Feb 23 15:21:45 can you pastebin what you see? Feb 23 15:21:48 the debug output is the same whether or not the device is going to resume Feb 23 15:21:49 sure Feb 23 15:22:15 _law_: I would copy the hd with tar Feb 23 15:23:28 * shadows pokes pastebin Feb 23 15:23:48 katossi_uni: my favorite error i made was cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/hda Feb 23 15:23:51 as root Feb 23 15:23:53 it was not fun Feb 23 15:24:00 <_law_> katossi_uni, both drives are in the same pc Feb 23 15:24:36 _law_: no problem, take a livecd, boot it and dor som tar | untar Feb 23 15:24:45 dd is crazy Feb 23 15:25:23 RP: the patch i applied is http://oe.pastebin.com/568610 Feb 23 15:26:16 shadows: looks fine... Feb 23 15:26:27 RP: the output is http://oe.pastebin.com/568613 Feb 23 15:26:51 that is with AC adapter in Feb 23 15:27:17 oh hmm. it resumed okay right away Feb 23 15:27:58 log with resume: http://oe.pastebin.com/568622 Feb 23 15:27:58 You have the log including the bit where it resumed? Feb 23 15:28:29 RP: I forgot. I brought the gps to work with the akita. The problem was not the gps, but `cat`. Maybe some buffering problem Feb 23 15:28:36 morning Feb 23 15:29:02 RP: after resuming, the serial console doesn't work i don't think Feb 23 15:29:39 shadows: You might have to comment out the serial driver's resume function in the same way you did with suspend Feb 23 15:29:48 oh, haha Feb 23 15:30:03 afternoon Feb 23 15:30:08 katossi_uni: Please you got it working :) Feb 23 15:30:12 hi reenoo Feb 23 15:30:18 shadows: The key line is "sharpsl-pm sharpsl-pm: Corgi woken up from suspend: 00000001". You're saying that when it fails to resume, that line isn't present? Feb 23 15:30:21 hey RP Feb 23 15:30:28 RP: no Feb 23 15:30:42 RP: i'm saying the device will fail to resume 100% of the time when i leave it overnight Feb 23 15:30:47 reenoo: hi Feb 23 15:30:51 shadows: rats. We're into really low level code then :-/ Feb 23 15:31:21 hi katossi_uni Feb 23 15:31:26 RP: i've verified that the SharpROM works perfectly, resumes/suspends without issue Feb 23 15:31:33 RP: so my hardware is not likely faulty Feb 23 15:31:45 shadows: That does tell us a lot about what it isn't though - the sharpsl_pm code itself isn't suspect... Feb 23 15:31:52 ah Feb 23 15:32:03 thanks, i was wondering what the point of that detour was :) Feb 23 15:32:32 shadows: We're just ruled out a massive chunk of code and isolated it to a small but complicated one... Feb 23 15:32:36 I'm now going to suspect the keyboard driver... Feb 23 15:32:52 ah! hey, can we disable the keyboard driver and see if that fixes it? Feb 23 15:32:55 or is it more complicated Feb 23 15:33:03 No, its more complicated Feb 23 15:33:11 The keyboard power switch probably needs power kept on to it whilst suspended Feb 23 15:33:23 heh, that's a good one Feb 23 15:33:31 there's problem with that though Feb 23 15:33:37 If that power supply was turned off, or was floating, it might never resume Feb 23 15:33:44 when my device goes fooby, the charge light does not respond Feb 23 15:34:07 it eventually goes off, and stays off Feb 23 15:34:16 yes, true :-/ Feb 23 15:34:39 When suspended, you should see it resume, do things and suspend again whilst charging Feb 23 15:35:00 oh, with serial console output? Feb 23 15:35:02 Leaviing it logging overnight might show up when it stops - you never know, it might be something interesting... Feb 23 15:35:17 shadows: Yes, it will show what its doing on the serial port Feb 23 15:35:28 the serial console wasn't outputting anything interesting. what's the interval, 10 min? Feb 23 15:35:56 Yes, 10 minutes Feb 23 15:36:04 * shadows pokes Feb 23 15:36:06 If its charging Feb 23 15:36:14 ohh Feb 23 15:36:22 okay so plan of action is drain my batteries a lot Feb 23 15:36:28 then try this out with AC adapter in Feb 23 15:37:15 RP: sidequestion, is it possible for the software to cause the battery to over-charge? Feb 23 15:38:46 shadows: There is a hardware monitor chip in there so probably not by overcurrent Feb 23 15:39:08 shadows: The software is responsible for temperature so in theory it can overheat Feb 23 15:40:03 The AC in not triggering a resume has me concerned - it looks like your cpu is truely locking up :-/ Feb 23 15:42:39 yeppers Feb 23 15:43:15 this isn't just me either, if it works in SharpROM i would say that it's a bug Feb 23 15:43:41 i'm sure you have heard reports of people's cxx00 devices locking up randomly Feb 23 15:44:42 there's three possible causes, bug in kernel code or bug in toolchain, or my hardware *is* faulty and something in the above two possibilities triggers it Feb 23 15:44:59 I'm 95% certain its not your hardware Feb 23 15:45:29 I'm about 80% certain this is a kernel bug. I'm just not sure what it is... Feb 23 15:45:50 To resume, the PXA270 gets a signal on GPIO0 Feb 23 15:46:10 On the zaurus, GPIO0 is connected to ACIN and the power switch... Feb 23 15:46:34 think before that, the device is going fooby before it ever gets a chance to resume Feb 23 15:46:47 unless you refer to the 10min interval Feb 23 15:47:07 no, I think its something we're doing wrong before suspending Feb 23 15:47:22 but you can see how that clue rules out lots of bits of code :) Feb 23 15:47:28 yay Feb 23 15:47:39 All the resume code and the battery charging code for a start Feb 23 15:48:39 I have one more test I'd like to see the result of - turning on the greenled right after the system resumes... Feb 23 15:52:55 ah, spitz has the leds in scoop which complicates things Feb 23 15:56:22 shadows: I'm going to have to think about this when I have more time i.e. next week Feb 23 15:57:00 blech Feb 23 15:57:01 /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/bin/arm-linux-ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory Feb 23 15:57:08 ~lart gcc-cross-initial Feb 23 15:57:08 * ibot eats gcc-cross-initial's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti Feb 23 15:57:53 mhhh liver with beans and chianti ;) :) :) Feb 23 15:58:07 * koen suspects ldflags.patch is needed after all Feb 23 15:58:43 shadows: As a clue, you could take the spitz green led set call from the spitz led driver, find the appropriate code from arch/arm/common/scoop.c (SCOOP_REG(hardcode value, SCOOP_GPWR) = SPITZ_SCP_GREEN_LED) and add this early in arch/arm/mach-pxa/pm/c after cpu_init() Feb 23 15:59:29 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r4caf2d8b... 10/packages/python/ (python-imdbpy_2.0.bb python-imdbpy_2.4.bb): python-imbdpy: 2.0 upgrade to 2.4 Feb 23 16:06:11 * lrg|home is now at Novotel in Brussels Feb 23 16:06:51 hi lrg|home Feb 23 16:07:05 You'll be the advance party? :) Feb 23 16:07:11 hey Richard Feb 23 16:07:22 everything ok? Feb 23 16:07:29 RP: yes, I'm going to finish off the presentation. Feb 23 16:07:44 I should get some peace and quite from the office to do this. Feb 23 16:07:58 Rooms are big, but wifi is 60EU for 7 days Feb 23 16:08:23 Weather is 0c and overcast Feb 23 16:08:36 ok. I'll mention that to the boss ;-) Feb 23 16:08:38 How did you get airport->hotel? taxi? Feb 23 16:09:10 taxi, it was 36eu Feb 23 16:09:30 I assume you will be here tomorrow ? Feb 23 16:09:35 that's handy to know :) Feb 23 16:09:41 just wondering if anyone can tell me if this is right: is the opie-image from the prebreakage tag using konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030705 ? isn't the date at the end a bit old? S: Feb 23 16:09:43 yes, I land at 1pm Feb 23 16:09:57 SapoChule: rather a bit too new Feb 23 16:09:58 cool, I'll see you in the afternoon then :) Feb 23 16:10:07 SapoChule: opie use konq/emb 2002xxxx Feb 23 16:10:14 Its unknown if they'll let me check in until matthew arrives mind... Feb 23 16:10:20 have good fun as fosdem Feb 23 16:10:35 hrw|work: will do :) Feb 23 16:10:47 hrw|work -> I had to make a little change in the src/Makefile.in of it to make it compile, just wondering... Feb 23 16:10:49 lrg|home: I hope so Feb 23 16:11:00 hrw|work -> thanks Feb 23 16:11:51 hrw|work: I'm sure we'll try. Its a shame you couldn't come :-/ Feb 23 16:12:11 hrw|work: maybe next year ? Feb 23 16:13:24 who knows - maybe Feb 23 16:14:40 how much EUR costs to be there (without transport to/from fosdem)? maybe I will start collecting cash for it since 2006.09 Feb 23 16:14:43 ;) Feb 23 16:15:08 hrw|work: just need to get Angstrom.com off the ground and employ ourselves with it to go :-) Feb 23 16:16:05 hrw|work: iirc it's about 150 eu per night in novotel. Feb 23 16:16:21 lrg|home: 77 in astrid iirc Feb 23 16:16:21 hrw|work: I can give you around 300$ from my paypal account Feb 23 16:16:42 zecke: thats not a point - I'm curious now Feb 23 16:16:55 hehe - I want to get rid of that money Feb 23 16:24:44 btw - no OZ 3.5.4 @FOSDEM Feb 23 16:25:06 you can make hack-OZ party Feb 23 16:25:27 cu Feb 23 16:41:47 Hi lrg|home Feb 23 16:41:53 Hey Dirk Feb 23 16:42:19 do13: I'm in Novotel now. Your arriving tomorrow right ? Feb 23 16:43:12 lrg|home: Yes. we arrive at 17:15 Feb 23 16:43:36 do13: ok, I'll give you a note of my mobile number... Feb 23 16:50:12 <_law_> dd worked fine. only have to do grub-install /dev/sda after that Feb 23 17:03:15 hey greentux Feb 23 17:03:22 hi lrg|home Feb 23 17:03:31 lrg|home: @home? i thought in bruessel Feb 23 17:03:54 ah yes, I haven't changed my nick yet, forgot Feb 23 17:04:28 lrg|home: fine, will arrive in the hotel around 5 pm Feb 23 17:10:11 is it possible to boot the Z direkt from sd? Feb 23 17:10:33 good night folks Feb 23 17:18:56 greentux: At least the kernel needs to be stored in the flash Feb 23 17:19:37 do13: mmh and the bootloader? is a notebook able to boot from sd (if available)? Feb 23 17:21:57 greentux: the bootloader is stored in flash. After startup it boots the kernel. Feb 23 17:24:05 greentux: A notebook can boot from a usb stick. If the sd card is connected via usb bus this should be possible. Feb 23 17:24:57 do13: Z cant boot from usb i assume? Feb 23 17:25:48 I've never heared this. You can boot from internal flash and then load another kernel via kexec Feb 23 17:26:28 if your kernel has sd support you can do set CMDLINE to root=/dev/mmcblo0p1 Feb 23 17:26:46 and it will 'boot' from SD Feb 23 17:26:58 your kernel is still in flash Feb 23 17:27:15 or with kexec on sd Feb 23 17:27:37 sorry if repeat question (google search turned up nothing): oz354fam083 build problem with ipaq-pxa270 machine type: it's trying to use kernel tag K2-6-15-hh0, but /cvs/CVSROOT/val-tags has no K2-6-15-hh0 tag. (I actually get a permission denied error message.) Feb 23 17:28:30 tnb: try putting a CVSDATE_handhelds-pxa-2.6=20060223 in your local.conf Feb 23 17:28:39 koen: thanks Feb 23 17:28:41 if that doesn't help the tagging went wrong in cvs Feb 23 17:28:52 heh Feb 23 17:28:59 I'm just reading your mail about that :) Feb 23 17:32:50 greentux: yes, Z can boot from anything, same as any other linux device, if the support for what you want to boot from is built *into the kernel* Feb 23 17:33:18 greentux: however, all 2.4 (embeddix) kernels for Zaurii have SD as a module. Most everything else (such as USB) is also a module. Feb 23 17:33:36 greentux: fitting the USB modules into the kernel probably wouldn't work as the Zaurii have very limited flash space for kernels Feb 23 17:34:18 greentux: you can use something like altboot to load modules and then boot from an alternate device. It already supports booting from SD, CF, and NFS. It also has recently gotten support for booting from USB IIRC. Feb 23 17:34:34 greentux: and in addition, altboot can boot from image *file* (via loopback) Feb 23 17:35:25 <[lala]> but altboot has no support for borzoi yet :-( Feb 23 17:35:35 sure it does Feb 23 17:35:45 it just may not be finished ;-) Feb 23 17:35:52 <[lala]> hehe ;-) Feb 23 17:36:01 it's basically the same as the sspitz and spitz is supported Feb 23 17:36:10 just try it and see what happens Feb 23 17:36:30 (you may have to copy some files/options from spitz to borzoi before building it) Feb 23 17:36:37 I can build you one from dev if you'd like Feb 23 17:36:51 I haven't tested the newest versions yet, though...it's gone through a lot of changes for 2.6 support Feb 23 17:37:12 <[lala]> would be worth a try Feb 23 17:43:01 [lala]: are you using a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? Feb 23 17:44:01 <[lala]> 2.6 Feb 23 17:44:38 <[lala]> RP: zaurusd is now installed but the start script complains about some links it cannot create Feb 23 17:45:13 koen: doing that and cleaning cache worked. Thanks. Feb 23 17:47:13 [lala]: That doesn't sound good - can you have a look in /etc/zaurusd/config and see if autoconf generated a sane looking script? Feb 23 17:51:31 <[lala]> RP: there is something about mach-config-vars in it Feb 23 17:51:46 [lala]: I'll give you the spitz altboot and you can try it and alter it if it needs it. Feb 23 17:52:21 <[lala]> JustinP: cool Feb 23 17:52:58 [lala]: It should symlink /etc/zaurusd/mach-config/mach-borzoi-vars to /etc/zaurusd/mach-config-vars Feb 23 17:53:42 RP: I think that I've been mistaken.....I apologize... Feb 23 17:53:51 <[lala]> RP: it does Feb 23 17:54:12 <[lala]> RP: i need to hook up networking to borzoi ... just a moment Feb 23 17:54:22 RP: it *looks* like the max1111 code is giving the right values. However, I, for some reason, was looking at the code while I help the button down. The right value seems to show up when the button is released. Feb 23 17:54:35 s/help/held/ Feb 23 17:54:36 JustinP meant: RP: it *looks* like the max1111 code is giving the right values. However, I, for some reason, was looking at the code while I held the button down. The right value seems to show up when the button is released. Feb 23 17:54:48 ibot: shut up Feb 23 17:54:49 yes, Master koen Feb 23 17:55:01 ~botsnack Feb 23 17:55:01 :), koen Feb 23 17:55:26 JustinP: ah. Lets assume it needs to look at the value on button release then... Feb 23 17:55:42 RP: however, no events are still being sent. I suspect some problem with the "state machine" code in sharpsl_rc. I'll be debugging that at some point today. Feb 23 17:56:00 <[lala]> JustinP: u mean there is no support for borzoi? or what are u apologizing for? :-) Feb 23 17:56:23 JustinP: Given the ways Sharp tied it into other things, I'd expect problems with that. You can probably simplify it a lot Feb 23 17:56:31 RP: thanks for all of the help. I'm hoping this driver will be working within the next day. Then you can let me know what needs to be fixed for cleanup/other models/etc. Feb 23 17:56:59 yeah, I'll also try to simplify the state machine thing...it seems somewhat dirty to me Feb 23 17:57:08 [lala]: no, I'm talking about something else Feb 23 17:57:27 * RP being called away Feb 23 17:57:36 heh Feb 23 17:57:37 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-February/msg00423.html Feb 23 17:57:45 now I know why gnome-panel breaks in OE Feb 23 17:57:49 ~lart gnome people Feb 23 17:57:49 * ibot nukes gnome people with a single large nuke Feb 23 17:58:27 <[lala]> RP: the link you mentioned does exist, unfortunately the target of the link not Feb 23 17:58:49 <[lala]> mach-borzoi-vars is missing Feb 23 18:06:15 <[lala]> RP: if i try to restore a sound profile with 'alsactl -f headphone.stereo restore' i get the message 'no state is present for card spitz' Feb 23 18:06:29 <[lala]> RP: what's that supposed to mean= Feb 23 18:06:58 [lala]: it could be that the last SoC update changed device names for the alsa stuff Feb 23 18:07:40 how can I find the kernel version in a shell script? Feb 23 18:07:45 uname -a Feb 23 18:07:51 uname -a Feb 23 18:07:53 oops Feb 23 18:07:54 or /proc/version iirc Feb 23 18:07:57 ~lart me Feb 23 18:07:57 * ibot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets justinp feel it Feb 23 18:11:20 [lala]: koen is right, the latest ASoC change did change the sound card from the codec name to the machine name. Feb 23 18:11:47 JustinP: if uname isn't installed: cat /proc/version | awk '{print $3}' Feb 23 18:15:36 cat /proc/version | awk '{print $3}' | grep -q "^2.6" Feb 23 18:16:03 heh Feb 23 18:16:16 my zaurus has a newer kernel than my server Feb 23 18:16:27 * JustinP hasn't updated in a while.... Feb 23 18:17:15 <[lala]> i see Feb 23 18:17:34 <[lala]> lrg|home: what do i have to change in the state file so it gets loaded properly? Feb 23 18:19:46 [lala]: the sound card name. It should be on the first line of the state file and should match your machine name Feb 23 18:20:38 <[lala]> state.WM8750 -> state.borzoi? Feb 23 18:20:53 yes Feb 23 18:21:06 CoreDump|afk: ping, I've updated the spitz install/remove scripts to do the normal thing (update-alternatives) for 2.6 kernel. Hope you don't mind. Feb 23 18:21:19 [lala]: cat /proc/asound, the machine name will be listed Feb 23 18:22:02 <[lala]> lrg|home: /proc/asound/Spitz/ ... then Feb 23 18:22:10 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * rbe75512b... 10/packages/altboot/altboot_0.0.5-rc4.bb: altboot: update pkg_postinst_spitz and pkg_postrm_spitz to skip flash install/remove for 2.6 kernels Feb 23 18:22:34 [lala]: ah yes, good thing you checked ;) Feb 23 18:24:56 hey mreimer Feb 23 18:25:24 hey koen Feb 23 18:26:04 koen, did you get your h2200 reflashed? Feb 23 18:26:40 not yet Feb 23 18:28:28 [lala]: http://oe.reversefold.com/altboot_0.0.5-rc4-r0_spitz.ipk Feb 23 18:28:28 hi mreimer Feb 23 18:28:37 hi Todd! Feb 23 18:28:53 [lala]: it's the spitz version since there's no borzoi support as such. But all you need to do is try it and let us know if it works Feb 23 18:29:33 mreimer: I can just dd the .htc file to a cf card, right? Feb 23 18:29:42 koen: yep Feb 23 18:33:21 mreimer: what's the magic button combo again?? Feb 23 18:33:30 koen: contacts-power-reset Feb 23 18:33:50 ~htcrescue Feb 23 18:33:53 well, htcrescue is contacts + power + reset Feb 23 18:34:07 so I remembered right Feb 23 18:35:12 RP: no wait...I take it back yet again Feb 23 18:35:19 * koen waits for the cf card to get noticed Feb 23 18:35:30 JustinP: are u at fosdem? i think there are enough borzois... Feb 23 18:35:34 koen, I wish I knew why it takes so long Feb 23 18:35:42 it didn't before Feb 23 18:35:45 mreimer: I filled the card with zeros beforehand Feb 23 18:35:53 does that speed it up? Feb 23 18:36:03 the first 16megs that is Feb 23 18:36:05 RP: sorry, I just realized that it's *not* actually giving distinct values. It's giving somewhere between 190 and 210 for any button press. None of them is unique...:-( Feb 23 18:36:07 not, it's still running Feb 23 18:36:26 greentux: no, I'm in california and can't really afford going to europe for this Feb 23 18:36:40 JustinP: right... Feb 23 18:36:51 <[lala]> JustinP: thanks, i'll give it a try Feb 23 18:37:07 RP: kexec patch sent to l-a-k for review Feb 23 18:37:47 mreimer: ^_^ Feb 23 18:38:04 do directories need to be "monotone add"ed, or just files inside the directories? Feb 23 18:38:21 in 0.25 only files Feb 23 18:38:37 which is why deleting directories can be annoying Feb 23 18:38:51 0.26 handles it like one would expect Feb 23 18:39:18 Ok. I'm asking because I thought I added a handhelds-pxa-2.6-2.6.15-hh0 directory with patch/defconfig in it but there's nothing in my tree anymore--or I'm misremembering Feb 23 18:39:20 [lala]: I suspect you haven't got the latest svn changes for zaurusd Feb 23 18:39:48 * RP realises the zaurusd .bb file is misnamed as i changed it to use svn and didn't rename it :-/ Feb 23 18:39:57 koen: you'll need to add a /boot/labrun file if you don't already have one Feb 23 18:41:11 koen: in the meantime you can boot the kernel by hand by typing LAB commands Feb 23 18:41:12 mreimer: can OE alrady generate on in .dev? Feb 23 18:41:23 koen: not yet. I'm not sure how to do that Feb 23 18:44:49 mreimer: http://pastebin.com/568897 Feb 23 18:45:44 koen: this needs to be in sync with the kernel-image, so should I put it in do_install in the kernel .bb? Feb 23 18:46:23 do_install_append_h2200 Feb 23 18:46:53 I'll try that Feb 23 18:47:10 [lala]: I've also found I'd missed a line out of configure.ac for borzoi - I've updated svn with the fix Feb 23 18:49:45 RP: :-( Feb 23 18:49:47 * JustinP sad Feb 23 18:50:07 JustinP: :-( Feb 23 18:50:18 RP: lala is on the way from work to home :) Feb 23 18:50:38 RP: so it looks like while a button is being pressed I get 1-6 and when it's released I get 190-210....oh well, I guess more debugging.... Feb 23 18:50:51 RP: are you having similar problems with other code that interfaces with max1111? Feb 23 18:52:02 JustinP: I've seen certain issues with the power management code but only when the device is resuming Feb 23 18:52:41 RP: have you had good success with pm on pxa27x? I'm trying to improve pm on hx4700 Feb 23 18:52:56 and am wondering if the problem is in the generic pxa27x pm code, or something else i'm not doing Feb 23 18:53:06 greentux: Ah, ok. If he doesn't see this, you can tell him I've updated zaurusd and just to make sure he's using the latest version Feb 23 18:53:36 mreimer: Yes, it seems quite reliable (except for shadows :-/) Feb 23 18:53:55 RP: i am sure he reads the irc... Feb 23 18:53:56 RP: is the power conservation good too? Feb 23 18:54:05 RP: I'm seeing a loss of 2.5% per hour Feb 23 18:54:26 mreimer: I've never measured the pxa27x but I don't think we see anything like that... Feb 23 18:54:32 ok, thanks Feb 23 18:55:07 * RP -> afk again for a while Feb 23 18:55:17 RP: well....I suppose I'll just try to do some more hacking... Feb 23 18:55:53 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r7adba8ae... 10/packages/zaurusd/ (zaurusd_0.0.bb zaurusd_svn.bb): zaurusd: Correct the filename and PV Feb 23 18:56:54 JustinP: I'm out of ideas I'm afraid... Feb 23 18:57:04 RP -> sorry to bother you with this again, but I changed the kernel of the ipaq-pxa270.conf as you mentioned and all went (nearly) well, after fighting with many packages, I have managed to get to the do_rootfs of the opie-image meta package (which makes me think I'm nearly at the end) but I'm getting to following kernel-modules dependencies broken: http://pastebin.de/4726 Feb 23 18:57:19 oh well, I catch up with you again when you are back Feb 23 18:57:21 cheers Feb 23 19:01:25 [lala_] you see the RP comments above? Feb 23 19:01:41 RP: well...heh...I can probably get it to work as *one* event at least ;-) Feb 23 19:01:43 * JustinP tries Feb 23 19:02:56 * JustinP hopes Feb 23 19:11:10 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rea57e361... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: ipaq-pxa270.conf: start making it more ipaq hx2xxx friendly Feb 23 19:19:11 koen: yay, 3-way merge again :) Feb 23 19:19:36 heh Feb 23 19:20:36 is the hx2xxx's flash eraseblock size 256KiB, too? Feb 23 19:20:51 it doesn't use flash Feb 23 19:22:10 ah, so it doesn't use the jffs2 image at all? Feb 23 19:22:28 correct Feb 23 19:25:12 great, time to push a newer mtd-utils with sumtool support... Feb 23 19:29:38 great Feb 23 19:29:52 so /home will mount faster on my h2210 :) Feb 23 19:30:11 <[lala]> greentux: i can try to update zaurusd src, but i have checked out only an hour ago Feb 23 19:30:41 <[lala]> maybe i have srcdate set somewhere ... i have to double check that Feb 23 19:30:44 [lala]: OE defaults to yesterday when checking out Feb 23 19:31:04 <[lala]> koen: ah, good to know :) Feb 23 19:32:27 well, it defaults to today, which means "00:00 this morning" Feb 23 19:32:46 WTF, now I'm getting 255 for all button presses, as I used to.... Feb 23 19:32:52 ~lart sharp Feb 23 19:32:52 * ibot changes sharp's permissions to 0777 and tells the world Feb 23 19:34:09 hi Feb 23 19:34:18 hi hrw Feb 23 19:34:22 hey hrw Feb 23 19:34:33 pH5: can I sumtool a existing mdblock? Feb 23 19:34:34 someone with 2.4 kernel and cxx00?? Feb 23 19:34:58 apm workaround is not anymore needed on collie, poodle, tosa! Feb 23 19:35:03 ~celebrate Feb 23 19:35:04 * ibot detonates a small nuclear device to celebrate the end of the world Feb 23 19:35:26 it isn't? Feb 23 19:35:34 need to check cxx00 before updating Feb 23 19:35:37 how many goats did you sacrifice to get it to work? Feb 23 19:35:41 koen: look at oz-devel Feb 23 19:35:47 koen: afaik sumtool doesn't work in place Feb 23 19:35:51 koen: or rather ho wmany testers Feb 23 19:36:10 pH5: but it works on mkfs.jffs2 time and later iirc Feb 23 19:36:40 ~lart ipaq maintainers for not using /etc/default/usbdmodule for usb-eth things Feb 23 19:36:40 * ibot gives ipaq maintainers for not using /etc/default/usbdmodule an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending ipaq maintainers for not using /etc/default/usbdmodule to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple for usb-eth things Feb 23 19:37:14 hrw: usbd is sharp crap Feb 23 19:37:17 hrw: right, I run it after jffs2 creation, but I think it insists on creating a new file Feb 23 19:37:19 network-suspend-scripts is mess now Feb 23 19:37:44 koen: look into pacakges/network-suspend-scripts/files/usbnet - thats crap Feb 23 19:38:21 if resume then rmmod module-only-on-2.4-ipaq;rmmod another-ipaq-2.4-only-module;rmmod sharp-module;fi Feb 23 19:38:46 hrw: you rang? Feb 23 19:38:59 hrw: I have a spitz that I can run a 2.4 kernel on (kexec :-) Feb 23 19:39:12 hrw: or I can reflash a kernel, also not a problem Feb 23 19:39:42 JustinP: 2.4 from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/oz3.5.4-test-images/test5/spitz/ + apm from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/oz3.5.4-test-images/test5/EXPERIMENTAL/ - test suspend/resume Feb 23 19:39:56 ~lart gcc 4.1 Feb 23 19:39:57 * ibot takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays gcc 4.1 in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed Feb 23 19:40:49 pH5: I only tested mkfs.jffs2+sumtool iirc (months ago) Feb 23 19:41:58 hrw: do you have an image tgz I can use? Feb 23 19:42:04 koen: does it resist? Feb 23 19:42:05 JustinP: same place Feb 23 19:42:09 ok Feb 23 19:42:35 JustinP: its so called oz 3.5.4-test5 Feb 23 19:42:47 yeah Feb 23 19:42:47 * hrw does not plan to build test6 Feb 23 19:43:10 ~lart sharp & lineo for usual things Feb 23 19:43:10 * ibot rm -rf's sharp & lineo for usual things Feb 23 19:43:52 * JustinP should get a bigger CF card Feb 23 19:44:42 JustinP: I use 16m mmc for flashing kernels and 256m cf for inits Feb 23 19:45:33 * JustinP nods Feb 23 19:45:42 opie/gpe/bootstrap? does it matter? Feb 23 19:46:13 does not Feb 23 19:46:32 ok Feb 23 19:46:34 pH5: some patches I have to regenerate Feb 23 19:46:36 will try gpe for fun Feb 23 19:46:49 JustinP: then try also suspend from normal user Feb 23 19:47:00 koen: I'm counting on you :-) Feb 23 19:47:13 hrw: HW button, apm -s as root, apm -s as normal user? Feb 23 19:48:13 will take a minute to deal with booting 2.4, tyransferring, setting up an image, etc Feb 23 19:48:47 JustinP: exactly Feb 23 19:49:07 hrw: ok, will-do Feb 23 19:49:17 thx a lot Feb 23 19:51:30 wait...HW button can suspend in 2.4 now? Feb 23 19:56:16 ::sigh::....have to reboot twice mroe before I can cerate my image... Feb 23 20:00:22 hurra! Feb 23 20:00:23 NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1-20060217-r1: task do_patch: completed Feb 23 20:00:26 JustinP: iirc should Feb 23 20:06:04 pH5: gcc 4.1 seems to behave now Feb 23 20:08:59 * JustinP growls Feb 23 20:09:02 ~growl Feb 23 20:09:03 * ibot growls as loud as a storm and screams "I'LL CRUSH WHOEVER GETS IN MY WAY!!!" Feb 23 20:09:10 koen: great! Feb 23 20:09:33 pH5: ... and the next error appears Feb 23 20:09:37 * koen tries to fix Feb 23 20:10:40 cu Feb 23 20:10:52 pH5: I'm now trying to get one thing at a time working: first gcc 4.1, then glibc 2.4 and after that try eabin Feb 23 20:10:56 hrw: see you Feb 23 20:11:20 go koen! Feb 23 20:12:34 bye hrw Feb 23 20:12:35 I'd like to assent to mreimer's statement here. Feb 23 20:12:40 :-) Feb 23 20:12:41 have a nice weekend@fosdem Feb 23 20:12:48 evening. Feb 23 20:12:54 hi mickeyl Feb 23 20:13:01 hrw: I'll leave a msg for you on my tests Feb 23 20:13:04 hmm.. the misterious guru of #oe appeared... Feb 23 20:13:13 hey mickeyl Feb 23 20:13:15 heh Feb 23 20:13:26 mickeyl: no oz @fosdem Feb 23 20:13:37 or as we called him last year 'the dude with a german accent talking about zaurusses' Feb 23 20:13:39 hrw: the suspend/resume issue or something else? Feb 23 20:13:46 koen: accent? me? never Feb 23 20:13:48 mickeyl: keylaunch @gpe Feb 23 20:13:56 hrw: I'll have it tested in a few minutes now....just rebooting into the image... Feb 23 20:14:33 mickeyl: law resolved it on c7x0 atleast and it quite works on akita (according to CoreDump) Feb 23 20:14:59 bb in ~30m or monday Feb 23 20:17:20 hi guys Feb 23 20:17:53 hey lala|borzoi Feb 23 20:18:27 trying to update zaurusd now Feb 23 20:21:07 wow Feb 23 20:21:10 3099 .bbs Feb 23 20:21:20 I remember the days we had less than a thousand Feb 23 20:22:41 hehe Feb 23 20:22:51 i remember the days when we had less than hundred :) Feb 23 20:23:48 * mickeyl packing things together Feb 23 20:24:01 did that this afternoon Feb 23 20:24:17 now I need to gather all gizmos and put them in my backpack Feb 23 20:25:20 rp: around? Feb 23 20:26:33 Arg, I'm about to go insane, someone please help, opie-image package tells me: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap: kernel-module-g-ether-2.6 kernel-module-g-file-storage-2.6 (etc...) however I removed the dependencies on the ipaq-pxa270.conf and all includes, but it still gives me the error |=< how can this be possible? from what I understood with dealing with the bb files, if I remove the dependency then it sho Feb 23 20:27:03 SapoChule: did you remove/rebuild task-bootstrap? Feb 23 20:27:24 oh, no... Feb 23 20:27:28 I also checked in a fix for that Feb 23 20:27:37 hum, good point, didn't know I had to do that (: Feb 23 20:27:42 thanks pH5 Feb 23 20:28:21 SapoChule: np Feb 23 20:29:14 re Feb 23 20:29:41 koen: I checked in sumtool and changed ipaq-pxa270.conf to use it. it now creates a second jffs2 image with summary information - that probably should be improved... Feb 23 20:29:48 mickeyl: I remember days when bootstrap-image does not give booting image... and when oemake & oemake2 exists Feb 23 20:30:25 the good ol' oemake :) Feb 23 20:30:33 oemake2 was better Feb 23 20:30:49 and one day s/oemake2/oemake happened Feb 23 20:31:04 koen: regarding your ipaq-pxa270.conf changes: what about using tune-iwmmxt.conf? Feb 23 20:31:51 mreimer: that would disable hardfloat, but we could add it Feb 23 20:32:01 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r5283b9e9... 10/packages/mtd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): mtd-utils: add snapshot 20060223, includes sumtool Feb 23 20:32:40 ah I see. what are the ramifications of that? hardfloat libs/binaries wouldn't work? Feb 23 20:33:05 correct Feb 23 20:33:08 unless you use eabi Feb 23 20:33:19 but as long as I'm building my own libs/binaries, that wouldn't be a problem, right? Feb 23 20:33:29 * mreimer wishes for eabi Feb 23 20:33:30 hrw: yeah right. pb_ made oemake not suck Feb 23 20:33:43 hrw: and I was the one adding a cache Feb 23 20:33:47 mreimer: if you build your own stuff, it isn't a problem Feb 23 20:33:53 thanks koen Feb 23 20:33:59 hrw: and it took long until we had complete opie in oe Feb 23 20:34:20 mickeyl: op2oe was great tool Feb 23 20:34:25 *nod* Feb 23 20:34:29 who was that again? Feb 23 20:34:33 w8 Feb 23 20:35:05 Feb 23 20:35:05 Dave Leifer Feb 23 20:35:11 ~hail Dave Leifer Feb 23 20:35:12 * ibot bows down to Dave Leifer and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Feb 23 20:35:19 ~seen mikelp Feb 23 20:35:27 2004-04-25 19:24 it was Feb 23 20:35:30 mikelp <~phillim@pool-141-150-214-24.delv.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 439d 20h 50m 42s ago, saying: 'should default to the lcd's native'. Feb 23 20:36:07 ah right, dave leifer Feb 23 20:36:10 didn't see him for long Feb 23 20:36:21 *noD* Feb 23 20:37:22 2004-03-20 22:30 - my first mail to OE ML :) Feb 23 20:38:08 hehe .feels longer ago than it actually is Feb 23 20:39:12 mickeyl: ;) Feb 23 20:40:06 from OZ user -> OZ release manager in <2y Feb 23 20:40:10 mickeyl: I have a codename for 2006.9: 'bling' Feb 23 20:40:13 quite a career :) Feb 23 20:40:18 koen: bling? Feb 23 20:40:30 as in bling bling Feb 23 20:40:38 ah yeah Feb 23 20:40:38 heh Feb 23 20:41:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bling Feb 23 20:41:53 uf. umbaumba will stay for me Feb 23 20:43:34 pH5 -> cheers! \o/ it did the job Feb 23 20:44:49 SapoChule: I knew because I always keep forgetting this myself. Feb 23 20:46:07 koen: h2200 kernel should build now Feb 23 20:46:08 would gcc-cross-initial require a crt1.o from the host or one for the target Feb 23 20:46:43 * koen is a bit puzzled Feb 23 20:50:02 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * raadc1338... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: ipaq-pxa270.conf: fix a typo and add af_key to modules Feb 23 20:50:06 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r238b40a0... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: ipaq-pxa270.conf: use sumtool after jffs2 image creation Feb 23 20:52:00 hrw: bad news, apm -s as a user suspends but doesn't wake up Feb 23 20:52:09 hrw: also, keylaunch issue but you knew about that Feb 23 20:52:20 hehe Feb 23 20:52:22 JustinP: ok. so cxx00 has fscked kernels Feb 23 20:52:28 e-wm has no keylaunch issues AFAIk ;-) Feb 23 20:52:34 hrw: apparently Feb 23 20:52:39 hrw: will try as root as well Feb 23 20:52:44 JustinP: can you apply http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/sharp-cxx00-unbork_apm.diff to 2.4 kernel and test? Feb 23 20:52:56 hrw: oh, and, as I suspected, the HW button still does not work. But it's never worked with kernel 2.4 in OZ, so.... Feb 23 20:53:33 hrw: with newest oz354fam083 kernel? Feb 23 20:53:49 JustinP: to newest oz354fam083 kernel Feb 23 20:54:26 JustinP: about keylaunch: I know about problem but thats all - cannot resolve it without machine. Contact law for help Feb 23 20:54:42 hrw: yeah....just thought I'd mention it for the record Feb 23 20:56:13 good night Feb 23 20:57:53 JustinP: its collie apm-fix ported to cxx00 by me - for now it fixed collie, poodle and tosa Feb 23 20:58:10 lala|borzoi: gaim on borzoi woks.. fine Feb 23 20:58:16 hrw: ok. I'm rebuilding the kernel right now. Feb 23 20:58:21 hrw: what was the actual fix? with apmd, or in the kernel? Feb 23 20:58:27 hrw: FYI, apm -s as root also fails to resume Feb 23 20:58:48 mreimer: kernel Feb 23 20:58:58 hrw: can you point me to a patch? Feb 23 20:58:58 mreimer: and apm one was revert of zaurus24.patch Feb 23 20:59:41 mreimer: first we fixed kernel - patches are in OE file://unb0rk-rightarrow.patch file://unb0rk-apm.patch in openzaurus-sa Feb 23 21:00:25 mreimer: then I rewrote apmd_workaround which we had for 2.4-crapix. then I realised that some of apm problems exist of that workaround so I removed it Feb 23 21:00:36 thanks for the explanation hrw Feb 23 21:00:44 mreimer: so 2.4.18 + normal apm == works. 2.4.20 + workaround ~== works Feb 23 21:00:47 hrw: also, GPE seems to take a *long* time to boot....but this could be because I was running from an image I guess... Feb 23 21:00:54 'embeddix sucks' would be shorter ;) Feb 23 21:01:15 koen: 2.4-crapix roxx Feb 23 21:01:19 on my collie only ;) Feb 23 21:01:40 well it's had tons of work....:-P Feb 23 21:01:48 rocked on my collie too Feb 23 21:01:58 except all of the problems... Feb 23 21:02:01 like USBnet... Feb 23 21:02:25 JustinP: network-suspend-scripts r3 fixed it a bit Feb 23 21:02:31 r3 is not in OE yet Feb 23 21:08:10 03mreimer 07org.oe.dev * rc78b38f3... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6/h2200/defconfig: handhelds-pxa-2.6/h2200/defconfig: Fresh for 2.6.15. Feb 23 21:08:14 03mreimer 07org.oe.dev * r1af17d12... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6/block-pio.patch: handhelds-pxa-2.6: Add block-pio.patch to allow using a rootfs on CF. Feb 23 21:08:18 03mreimer 07org.oe.dev * r0c48b57e... 10/packages/linux/ (handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.15-hh0.bb handhelds-pxa-2.6_cvs.bb): Feb 23 21:08:18 handhelds-pxa-2.6: Use the block-pio.patch and ide-removeable patches to Feb 23 21:08:18 make booting/rootfs on CF work. Feb 23 21:13:58 hi Rene Feb 23 21:14:05 JustinP: will you test that patch? Feb 23 21:14:21 hey Marcin Feb 23 21:14:34 <_guillermo> hi all Feb 23 21:14:44 hi _guillermo Feb 23 21:15:07 <_guillermo> what is the required module to sync a ipaq 3800 in linux? Feb 23 21:17:30 cu & have a nice weekend Feb 23 21:17:51 hrw: pitty that you cant meet us in brussel Feb 23 21:18:06 greentux: I have much more important meeting Feb 23 21:19:02 greentux: since september I will probably start collecting cash for fosdem2007 (or for German trip which I plan for over 1.5y) Feb 23 21:19:42 hrw: give email then... you have free bed& breakfast in dresden Feb 23 21:20:14 greentux: for two people ofcourse? (me & Ania) Feb 23 21:20:24 NP Feb 23 21:20:42 greentux: I will inform all when it happen (hope that it will happen one day) Feb 23 21:20:45 cu Feb 23 21:23:31 hrw|gone: damn... Feb 23 21:23:37 hrw|gone: I just tested it Feb 23 21:23:53 hrw|gone: apm -s just sits there Feb 23 21:24:07 hrw|gone: I can Ctrl-C and get my device back, but no suspending happens Feb 23 21:24:21 JustinP: kernel+patch and apm-r8? Feb 23 21:24:28 yep Feb 23 21:24:52 so 2.4.20 are more fscked then constitution allows Feb 23 21:24:58 hmmmm Feb 23 21:25:07 /usr/lib/ipkg shows *2* instances of apm now... Feb 23 21:25:13 damn it Feb 23 21:25:17 JustinP: installed one + feed one Feb 23 21:25:31 I tried upgrading and it told me nothing to do, so I installed with -force-reinstall Feb 23 21:25:33 JustinP: or installed now + installed before Feb 23 21:25:54 well, I assume it's installed Feb 23 21:26:06 JustinP: if have apm-r7 then after reboot remove /var/run/apmd.pid Feb 23 21:26:18 anyway - 2.4.20 are fscked Feb 23 21:26:28 ok Feb 23 21:26:30 well... Feb 23 21:26:33 * JustinP goes to lunch Feb 23 21:26:35 JustinP: can you test normal kernel + apm-r7 and post to oz-devel? Feb 23 21:26:40 if you think of anything els to try let me know Feb 23 21:26:41 smacznego JustinP Feb 23 21:26:46 sure Feb 23 21:26:55 mreimer: have you seen ph5's sumtool patch? http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=238b40a012de45582f1cd93b76743b4613edad7b Feb 23 21:26:57 later Feb 23 21:27:01 might be neat for h2200 as well Feb 23 21:27:12 koen: and all >2.6.14 Feb 23 21:27:59 JustinP: normal+apm-r7, normal+apm-r8 - which one is better.. so I will know how to package apm(d) Feb 23 21:28:14 JustinP: r7 is in images, r8 in experimental Feb 23 21:28:56 JustinP: I want r8 for collie/poodle/tosa so cxx00 will get machine related packages Feb 23 21:29:19 and now I really goes. time to sleep for me - tomorrow is big day Feb 23 21:38:02 koen: yes, I saw it and put it on my list Feb 23 21:38:17 he's making a list Feb 23 21:38:21 checking it twice Feb 23 21:38:24 :-P Feb 23 21:38:26 :) Feb 23 21:42:07 mreimer: how's the r1k port coming along? Feb 23 21:42:31 koen: they've halted the project Feb 23 21:42:42 I suppose we were about halfway there Feb 23 21:42:45 ah, too bad Feb 23 21:42:54 yeah, would have been nice to get it usable Feb 23 21:44:29 RP: still around? Feb 23 21:49:33 lrg|home: voip works fine now (updated asoc) Feb 23 21:50:50 greentux: what are you using as a voip client? Feb 23 21:50:52 minisip? Feb 23 21:51:14 koen: minisip is text only. with opie we tested kphone/pi Feb 23 21:51:25 minisip text only? Feb 23 21:51:29 koen: but minisip is better i know :) (linphonec also tested) Feb 23 21:51:45 koen: minisip needs gtk, opie isnt dupported Feb 23 21:51:48 it has a nice gtk gui on my ipaq :)q Feb 23 21:51:57 heh Feb 23 21:52:06 then don't use opie ;) Feb 23 21:52:11 yes i know that gui. Feb 23 21:52:29 ko/pi works with gpe? Feb 23 21:52:45 it's a hint that minisip went from qt -> gtk for handhelds Feb 23 21:52:55 yes read on the website Feb 23 21:53:22 * koen hopes the nokia voip stuff will be open source Feb 23 21:53:40 koen: why not? they develope some own? Feb 23 21:54:02 yes, it's based on sofia-sip Feb 23 21:54:35 why all major player wanna inivite the wheel again? Feb 23 21:54:36 <[lala]> i like the ui from a kphone/pi a lot more then minisips ui Feb 23 21:54:57 [lala]: but minisip supports video calls ... Feb 23 21:55:05 <[lala]> but thats a matter of taste ... i know :) Feb 23 21:55:24 <[lala]> kphone/pi as well ... but i dont know which protocol Feb 23 21:55:24 * koen is trying to get ekiga in OE Feb 23 21:57:15 it would be better to have one very nice gui that 2 Feb 23 22:00:27 koen: ekiga would be nice Feb 23 22:01:14 n8 all Feb 23 22:05:08 cu all Feb 23 22:28:12 hrw|gone: I actually already knew the answer as my Z had suspended a few times after I'd first started the image Feb 23 22:28:22 hrw|gone: unpatched kernel and apm -r7 works Feb 23 22:40:43 hi Feb 23 22:57:09 hey Feb 23 22:57:14 RP: ping Feb 23 22:57:19 mickey|packing: hey Feb 23 22:57:43 zecke: NAK Feb 23 22:58:56 hi zecke, everything packed as well? Feb 23 22:59:52 ok, gcc 4.1 seems to work, onto glibc cvs Feb 23 23:00:00 excellent, koen|sleep Feb 23 23:00:06 sleppwalking, eh? Feb 23 23:00:09 sleepwalking, even Feb 23 23:00:16 zecke: pong Feb 23 23:00:23 * RP is also packing Feb 23 23:00:32 going to bed as well to be fit for the weekend ;) Feb 23 23:00:39 mickey|packing: hehe, packing? Feb 23 23:00:50 mickey|packing: where do we meet each other? Feb 23 23:01:02 zecke: when do you arrive exactly? Feb 23 23:01:20 RP: is that current svn or with custom patches? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18418.png Feb 23 23:01:38 s/custom/not-yet-checked-in Feb 23 23:01:56 mickey|packing: let me check 22h Feb 23 23:02:02 reenoo: Its an old version of svn ;-) Feb 23 23:02:47 reenoo: I assume you mean poky svn btw? Everything is checked in there... Feb 23 23:02:59 zecke: ok, I'll be at the roy d'espagne then, so just come there directly and then we can either drop by the hotel together to stowaway your luggage or we stay in the roy d'espagne until the evening is over :) Feb 23 23:03:03 RP: matchbox-desktop actually Feb 23 23:03:14 RP: http://www.handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 Feb 23 23:03:34 mickey|packing: when do you arrive at the airport? was it 14:45? Feb 23 23:03:39 mickey|packing: do you happen to have a map? or will I tell the taxi driver to bring me to the "roy d'espagne"? Feb 23 23:03:43 RP: that one appears to be fixed in the poky scap Feb 23 23:04:26 zecke: tell him to drive you to the "grand place". the roy d'espagne is one of the restaurants directly there Feb 23 23:04:38 reenoo: That is matchbox-desktop svn with no patches Feb 23 23:04:47 ah okay Feb 23 23:05:11 mickey|packing: do you have an idea how much money I have to take with me? Feb 23 23:05:12 mickey|packing: when are you going to the Roy? Feb 23 23:05:30 RP: mickey|packing : do we have some OE flyer I could print tomorrow on our (color) laser printer Feb 23 23:05:31 RP: odd. I wonder why the highlighted text is white then. it's black and not readable here :( Feb 23 23:05:32 zecke: IIRC it was like 25€ by train Feb 23 23:05:56 mickey|packing: that much - by train? Feb 23 23:06:05 zecke: i'm afraid we don't have something like that Feb 23 23:06:07 * RP will be at at the airport at 13:00 Feb 23 23:06:15 zecke: by train just one or two EUR Feb 23 23:06:27 * zecke puts plenty of money into his pockets Feb 23 23:06:31 mickey|packing: that was cent Feb 23 23:06:31 koen|sleep: I'll head over to the roy @ 20:00 - when will you be there? Feb 23 23:06:50 mickey|packing: do you think we could assemble a flyer quickly? Feb 23 23:06:55 my train arrives ~1830 at the station Feb 23 23:06:56 * RP should really look at a map of the place.... Feb 23 23:07:03 let me bring my wife into bed Feb 23 23:07:12 give me 5 mins Feb 23 23:07:56 | checking sysdep dirs... configure: error: The arm is not supported. Feb 23 23:08:00 ~lart glibc Feb 23 23:08:00 * ibot strangles glibc with a doohicky mouse cord Feb 23 23:08:12 * koen|sleep gives up for tonight Feb 23 23:08:40 RP: on friday you are going to the roy d'espagne as well? Feb 23 23:09:24 do13: yes, all of Openedhand will be. Feb 23 23:09:35 :) Feb 23 23:10:16 * reenoo wished he could go to brussels :( Feb 23 23:10:29 RP: Then we can meet there Feb 23 23:10:41 mickey|packing: ! Feb 23 23:12:05 reenoo: is it a matter of time or money? Feb 23 23:12:13 zecke: good evening Feb 23 23:12:28 how do I get from Brussel to roy d'espagne... Feb 23 23:12:39 zecke: time. the dfki lab bremen opening is on monday Feb 23 23:12:40 pb_: wow, gcj is working nicely on ARM Feb 23 23:12:56 zecke: the hotel is 5 minutes walking from the hotel Feb 23 23:12:59 ah, very good Feb 23 23:13:06 koen|sleep: in a circle? Feb 23 23:13:16 pb_: did you stay in the astrid last year? Feb 23 23:13:19 D'oh Feb 23 23:13:20 yeah Feb 23 23:13:21 pb_: yeah that is what I have thought :) Feb 23 23:13:28 the Roy is 5 minutes walking Feb 23 23:13:43 pb_: thanks, no I know how to get there :) Feb 23 23:13:45 zecke: I'll be busy helping set up a presentation booth etc. Feb 23 23:15:19 koen|sleep: okay, how do I get to my hotel then :} Feb 23 23:15:28 zecke: from the airport? Feb 23 23:15:40 probably easiest to ride the metro Feb 23 23:16:19 I will ask my boss to lend me his gps and palm device :} Feb 23 23:17:13 pb_: so Train+Metro Feb 23 23:17:18 zecke: http://pastebin.com/569332 Feb 23 23:17:34 zecke: either the Bourse or De Brouckere metro stops are within a few hundred metres of Hotel Team Opie. Feb 23 23:18:49 * mreimer is a bit jealous Feb 23 23:18:52 okay 1st get to the central station, 2nd get the metro... Feb 23 23:19:02 (and, by extension, within a few hundred metres of the Grand Place) Feb 23 23:19:48 I will get a taxi :} Feb 23 23:19:49 so, you plan of action is probably to take the metro to that general area and then follow the scent of Leffe Brune to locate Herr Lauer. Feb 23 23:20:05 I will get robbed, and painfully starve... Feb 23 23:20:13 life is hard Feb 23 23:20:31 heh Feb 23 23:20:53 zecke: something like http://www.vanille.de/temp/oeflyer.txt ? Feb 23 23:20:59 insert meaningful things for ... Feb 23 23:22:04 zecke: i guess you can spend a bit on the taxi given that you get the hotel + breakfast for free ;) Feb 23 23:22:20 heh Feb 23 23:22:38 mickey|packing: heh? No I really don't want that Feb 23 23:22:50 mickey|packing: do you plan that I cover your lefe expenses? Feb 23 23:23:03 zecke: someone has to Feb 23 23:23:32 I guess mickey's university only has a limited budget for Leffe. Feb 23 23:23:40 zecke: hehe. I'll be angry when you don't accept that offer :) Feb 23 23:23:55 pb_, that's right. _pretty_ limited :) Feb 23 23:23:55 mickey|packing: I will visit ROAD HQ tomorrow at roughly 16:30 and pick something up Feb 23 23:24:05 zecke: aaah Feb 23 23:24:16 mickey|packing: we meet at the airport at 14:45? Feb 23 23:24:30 do13: yep. meeting point in terminal 1 Feb 23 23:24:43 don't be worried when i will be a couple of minutes late Feb 23 23:25:04 mickey|packing: OT: KDE has a KDE3.5.1 konqueror for QtE2 Feb 23 23:25:20 mickey|packing: including, searching, tabbed browsing... Feb 23 23:25:23 do13: do they have a meeting point in all A, B, C? can't remember Feb 23 23:25:29 zecke: nah really? astounding. why did they do that? Feb 23 23:25:42 mickey|packing: I don't know Feb 23 23:25:44 mickey|packing: basysKom got paid by someone - it looks like Feb 23 23:26:03 do13: ok, then I just give you a call when I'm at the airport, ok? Feb 23 23:26:05 mickey|packing: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenox/konq-embed/kdesrc/khtml/patches/ Feb 23 23:26:17 mickey|packing: That's ok Feb 23 23:26:18 wow Feb 23 23:26:32 mickey|packing: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenox/konq-embed/ChangeLog?rev=511605&view=markup Feb 23 23:26:41 mickey|packing: the moron who patched that will come to FOSDEM as well Feb 23 23:26:45 mickey|packing: Mr. Eilers :) Feb 23 23:27:02 sorry Mr. Dr. Eilers Feb 23 23:27:02 zecke: ah great! didn't know that he will be there. Feb 23 23:27:12 *envy* Feb 23 23:27:30 mickey|packing: I think he did not publicate yet Feb 23 23:27:44 that means we can call him Dr., but he's not allowed to do that Feb 23 23:27:48 funny law Feb 23 23:28:21 mickey|packing: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenox/konq-embed/src/mainwindow_road.cc?rev=512806&view=markup Feb 23 23:28:30 mickey|packing: to get an idea, who might sponsor development Feb 23 23:28:51 hehe, ok now it's clear Feb 23 23:28:52 pretty cool Feb 23 23:29:12 mickey|packing: there are some rough points with it Feb 23 23:30:09 nevertheless, impressing work. Feb 23 23:30:12 can't wait to try that Feb 23 23:30:41 koen|sleep: LAB-kernel_cvs should now build a new .15 LAB for you Feb 23 23:31:15 mickey|packing: for now it requires a -mt build of Qt Feb 23 23:31:21 mickey|packing: and rtti :} Feb 23 23:32:15 zecke: mmh, i see. not that it would be a problem for oz, we broke compatiblity that much, once more won't surprise anyone :D Feb 23 23:32:26 s/won't/wouldn't/ Feb 23 23:32:26 mickey|packing meant: zecke: mmh, i see. not that it would be a problem for oz, we broke compatiblity that much, once more wouldn't surprise anyone :D Feb 23 23:32:32 ibot: please shut up Feb 23 23:33:17 ANS.replace("won't", "wouldn't") will confuse ibot :) Feb 23 23:34:09 i guess i better go to bed otherwise i'll be too tired to drink leffe Feb 23 23:34:34 I'm looking forward to seeing some of you folks soon! Feb 23 23:34:47 have a good trip Feb 23 23:34:49 g'night Feb 23 23:34:54 mickey|packing: i wish you to have an enjoyable stay, good luck at FOSDEM Feb 23 23:34:58 thanks Feb 23 23:36:14 mickey|zzZZzz: cya! Feb 23 23:36:51 night all Feb 23 23:49:58 * reenoo heads off to bed as well Feb 23 23:50:30 have fun at fosdem everyone Feb 23 23:50:34 'night all Feb 24 00:01:39 FYI, scanline reports that someone is sending bitbake/oe notifications to CIA with the proejct set to YOUR_NAME_HERE (someone didnt adjust the trigger after downloading it..) Feb 24 00:01:55 s/NAME/PROJECT_NAME/ Feb 24 00:01:55 kergoth meant: FYI, scanline reports that someone is sending bitbake/oe notifications to CIA with the proejct set to YOUR_PROJECT_NAME_HERE (someone didnt adjust the trigger after downloading it..) Feb 24 00:02:16 kergoth: hehe Feb 24 00:02:36 yay, triple hydra Feb 24 00:02:55 hmmm...I've never seen "mt merge" say it was verifying revs before....that's interesting... Feb 24 00:03:10 * JustinP pushes Feb 24 00:03:44 zecke123@sheep:/svnroot/repos/bitbake/hooks> grep -rni YOUR_PROJECT_NAME_HERE * Feb 24 00:03:44 ciabot_svn.sh:66:project_name="YOUR_PROJECT_NAME_HERE" Feb 24 00:03:47 moron :} Feb 24 00:05:23 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * ra6a03168... 10/packages/altboot/altboot_0.0.0.bb: altboot: update spitz postinst/rm for 0.0.0 as well Feb 24 00:05:27 03mreimer 07org.oe.dev * r23fbf277... 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): LAB-kernel: Make LAB work in a 2.6.15 kernel. Feb 24 00:11:32 okay good nite Feb 24 00:27:18 'night all Feb 24 00:27:23 cya Feb 24 00:29:30 RP: have fun Feb 24 01:20:18 * france is back (gone 22:00:24) Feb 24 01:52:04 JustinP: that's because the "verifying revs" message is sort of a stupid hack :-) in fact every rev is verified, even in 'commit' and normal one-head 'merge', but verifying just a single rev is not noticeably slow, so the message is hard-coded to print as soon as a _second_ rev is verified during a single monotone run... Feb 24 01:52:51 njs: ah, I see. I figured that was it since it was a triple merge Feb 24 01:53:41 yeah, since that ends up committing a second rev during the single run :-) Feb 24 01:54:23 the message doesn't indicate anything in particular, it was just to give people a hint, since a lot of people were thinking that monotone had crashed when doing pulls and stuff... Feb 24 02:08:53 well, on pulls it makes complete sense Feb 24 02:09:01 and it makes sense in this case as well Feb 24 02:09:06 *I* don't worry about it Feb 24 02:09:11 I'm a patient developer Feb 24 02:09:23 I like how monotone works so I don't sweat the wait times Feb 24 02:09:26 I know you're working on it Feb 24 02:27:10 cool Feb 24 02:27:16 and yeah, I just have this compulsion to explain things to people. Feb 24 02:28:37 njs: you're Nathaniel from the monotone lists, right (the main monotone guy if I'm not mistaken) Feb 24 02:35:14 JustinP: yeah Feb 24 02:43:17 * emte wants more noise and dancing girls Feb 24 02:43:31 i think thats what it should do while its handling revs Feb 24 02:48:17 hmm. Feb 24 02:48:48 open a bug report, I guess...? Feb 24 02:48:54 ...priority wishlist? ;-) Feb 24 02:48:58 lol Feb 24 03:01:10 * france is away: Away Feb 24 04:37:16 RP: i tried following your latest suggestion, it seems that the scoop stuff would need to be linked in before the things it depends on Feb 24 04:37:24 all a mess, heh Feb 24 04:55:30 njs: it's nice that you're hanging out here. Are you using OE as well or just hanging out as we're heavy users? ;-) Feb 24 04:57:17 yeah, when i mentioned it Nat, you sounded surprised that other people in the universe were using mt Feb 24 05:10:31 i've made a pair of commits to OE with mt, it's a useful tool Feb 24 05:11:05 speed improvements are going to be vital when implemented into the OE use of mt Feb 24 05:15:59 shadows: you mean that when the speed is better people won't bitch about it so much? Feb 24 05:16:09 I think the speed is the major problem Feb 24 05:16:21 and the problems people had migrating to it in the beginning.... Feb 24 05:16:25 but it's been very stable for a while Feb 24 05:16:35 I think "Phil" should just bite the bullet and try it again Feb 24 05:17:50 well, whether or not the actual monotone upstream code base is improving, and the use of monotone in OE, are two issues not as related as you might presume them to be Feb 24 05:18:22 OE devs are using what version of monotone code is implemented in the versions installed on OE servers Feb 24 05:18:38 whatever "that" is, needs to improve Feb 24 05:18:45 which afollow dev close to take advantages of speed and features Feb 24 05:18:55 follows* Feb 24 05:19:33 the servers have been upgraded three times since aug Feb 24 05:20:25 currently i belive only the roster patch for the client is not manditory Feb 24 05:21:33 the servers are 0.21 or 0.22 i belive Feb 24 05:22:03 what version is monotone on now? Feb 24 05:26:47 googlefortheanswer dot com Feb 24 05:43:57 concidering your comment i would have thought you'd have it handy Feb 24 05:54:45 to make wpa-supplicant viable, an update to gnutls, wpa-supplicant, and perhaps even lzo, is necessary Feb 24 06:10:21 JustinP: I'm too poor for handhelds :-) Feb 24 06:11:34 just hanging out since you're heavy users, and have apparently had a lot of problems that I was having trouble fully understanding... Feb 24 06:12:45 call it the "user research" part of building friendly software :-) Feb 24 06:18:58 njs: well, I'm very impressed that you'd hang around. I would think that that over anything else should convince the dissenting OE devs that you're comitted to making things easier to use Feb 24 06:20:51 how the hell, do i build wpa-supplicant against gnutls instead of openssl Feb 24 06:21:39 *shrug* perhaps that's not the only criterion they have. I'd be the last to argue that monotone Must Be The Right Tool For Everyone!(tm). Feb 24 06:22:08 but, hey, I figure, hanging out can only do good, either for you guys or, if you do decide to switch, the next guys to use monotone, so... Feb 24 06:28:03 ...I think I just used up my comma quota for today. Feb 24 06:44:20 njs: I personally like it just fine. I've had merge problems here and there and it *is* slow at times, but I see these things being fixed. I perceive mt as being actively developed and I like that it's new and its own thing, not building on a crufty old code-base. Feb 24 06:44:27 and with that I sign off Feb 24 08:55:49 morning Feb 24 08:57:30 Ello Feb 24 08:59:24 hi .. does oe inject any licenses itself ? Feb 24 09:29:28 mickey|zzZZzz: ping Feb 24 09:29:32 hey zecke Feb 24 09:29:35 mickey|zzZZzz: I have more thought of a "Bild Niveau"-Slogan Feb 24 09:30:00 mickey|zzZZzz: One Command Any Platform Any Configurtation - OpenEmbedded. Free Trials available at http://oe.handhelds.org Feb 24 09:30:42 morning Feb 24 09:30:55 'switch platform targets as easy as socks*' Feb 24 09:31:00 '* socks not includes' Feb 24 09:31:05 included* Feb 24 09:31:07 hey greentux Feb 24 09:31:25 koen: Do you have some spare time and want to try your artistic skills? Feb 24 09:31:35 koen: I can print some flyers on our laserjet's :} Feb 24 09:31:58 I sadly do not have free time atm Feb 24 09:32:17 I'm about the get larted for failing to work on my bachelor assignment Feb 24 09:32:32 failing to write the report, actually Feb 24 09:36:50 bachelor assignement ? Feb 24 09:41:12 gremlin[it]work: it is suppossed to be the final assignment before I get the bachelor (BSc) title Feb 24 09:41:43 bachelor sucks anyway Feb 24 09:42:59 "bachelor chow - now with flavour!" Feb 24 09:43:15 futurama rocks Feb 24 10:00:39 ok, i will start to brussel now. cu in the evening... Feb 24 10:01:16 greentux: cya Feb 24 10:26:39 I am trying to start from a clean tree, and hang really soon: gnu-config-native does not build because cvs access has changed. Feb 24 10:26:55 is this package still needed? or did I run into a heisenbug? Feb 24 10:30:32 * obergix[work] is away: manger Feb 24 10:34:17 koen: you need to rm the old cvs dirs probably, they keep state Feb 24 10:34:34 bah, he snuck off just before I could type that Feb 24 10:34:44 and my autocomplete thinks koobla=koen :-) Feb 24 10:40:12 I love standards... today topic "Audio compression for handheld devices"... Feb 24 10:44:36 zecke: do you have a link ? Feb 24 10:45:01 <_law_> XorA, old cvs dirs from source dir? Feb 24 10:45:29 _law_: yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 24 10:59:56 2006