**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 25 10:59:57 2006 Feb 25 12:07:14 Morning Feb 25 12:07:44 Greetings from fosdem Feb 25 12:07:56 <_law_> hi Feb 25 12:08:24 <_law_> any ideas why alsa doesnt find my soundcare with latest kernel Feb 25 12:10:39 <_law_> s/soundcare/soundcard Feb 25 12:14:32 ~seen hrw Feb 25 12:14:41 hrw was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 14h 45m 33s ago, saying: 'and now I really goes. time to sleep for me - tomorrow is big day'. Feb 25 13:35:10 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r53461212... 10/packages/busybox/busybox_1.01.bb: busybox: fix slugos-related building problem Feb 25 13:52:44 hi all .. Feb 25 13:53:44 i got a lot of "Nothing provides runtime dependency" ... for diffstat-native, quilt-native, autoconf-native, pkgconfig-native, ipkg-native :( :( Feb 25 15:06:35 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r225af5e3... 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox-1.01/slugos/sysctl.conf busybox_1.01.bb): busybox: Fix hotplug bug in slugos-* Feb 25 16:15:57 uh... when did bb start cleaning out whatever was pulled in as deps when I built a package when doing -cclean? When I built zd1211, wireless-tools was built. When doing -cclean zd1211, both zd1211 and wireless-tools were cleaned.. Feb 25 16:16:05 (As was the kernel...) Feb 25 16:28:18 Bonjour tout le monde :) Feb 25 16:29:01 hello Fabst Feb 25 16:31:33 Good evening together Feb 25 16:34:26 Hav problems to build bootstrap-image. Lots of dependies failed (I assume all ?) Feb 25 16:38:06 i have ! Feb 25 16:39:07 i got a lot of "Nothing provides runtime dependency" ... for diffstat-native, quilt-native, autoconf-native, pkgconfig-native, ipkg-native :( :( Feb 25 17:31:09 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r21f2c951... 10/packages/zd1211/ (zd1211-r59/makefile.patch zd1211_r59.bb): Update zd1211 to latest revision from svn Feb 25 17:31:13 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r0c7bf5fb... 10/packages/zd1211/zd1211_r59.bb: zd1211: Fix spelling and remove unused SRC_DIR variable Feb 25 17:45:07 hi all Feb 25 17:52:19 hi koen, hi all Feb 25 17:52:40 koen|hotel: what you up to? Feb 25 17:53:55 mithro: plotting my way back home for tomorrow Feb 25 17:55:21 who's good at making reviews? Feb 25 17:55:23 https://www.sun.com/secure/servers/coolthreads/tnb/qualify.jsp Feb 25 17:57:23 hehe Feb 25 17:57:26 and can people send mails to linuxdevices that OE is missing? Feb 25 17:57:27 http://linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=02202006173436 Feb 25 17:58:18 (linuxdevices@ziffdavis.com) Feb 25 19:18:11 oh hummm Feb 25 19:40:13 ping uv1 Feb 25 19:43:20 to resolv the dependacy problems try to update (svn co) bitbake Feb 25 20:23:57 03jnc 07org.oe.dev * rde47a339... 10/packages/libgcrypt/libgcrypt_1.2.2.bb: Version bump for libgcrypt to 1.2.2, plays nice with new gnutls release. Feb 25 20:38:37 03jnc 07org.oe.dev * r8aaa5545... 10/packages/gnutls/gnutls_1.2.10.bb: Version bump. Plays nice with new wpa-supplicant, hopefully. Feb 25 20:57:52 okay so i'm updating the openzaurus gpe-image target such that it will include an version of wpa-supplicant linked against gnutls Feb 25 20:58:06 should i completely erradicate openssl from the distro? Feb 25 21:00:43 i am not sure you can Feb 25 21:01:00 unless you patch/change trh dropbear ssh server/client Feb 25 21:01:05 the* Feb 25 21:01:19 oh wait nm Feb 25 21:01:25 that was silly Feb 25 21:04:24 does OZ have a browser taht supports SSL that might be linked against openssl? Feb 25 21:07:55 ~seen mickey Feb 25 21:08:06 mickey was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 13d 2h 10m ago, saying: 'ups'. Feb 25 21:10:41 ~seen mickey|zzZZzz Feb 25 21:10:44 mickey|zzzzzz is currently on #oe #opie #handhelds.org, last said: 'hmm nasty, but interesting. I'll start a build and look at it when i wake up.'. Feb 25 21:21:23 shadows: you better not remove openssl from the OE repo ... Feb 25 21:21:34 why the hell not? Feb 25 21:22:09 why the hell yes? other distros are using it. Feb 25 21:22:12 provided, that there is a more libre licensed work-alike Feb 25 21:22:20 (other OE-built distros) Feb 25 21:22:37 * emte thought shadows was only removing it from the OZ gep image .. Feb 25 21:22:38 are you talking only libraries, or openssl command too? Feb 25 21:22:45 not the openssl command Feb 25 21:23:02 " should i completely erradicate openssl from the distro?" Feb 25 21:23:14 as i am to understand the licensing conflict, OpenSSL is BSD-with-advertising-clause, which is incompatible to GPL licensed programs which link against it Feb 25 21:23:24 it's illegal to distribute linked binaries in this manner Feb 25 21:23:27 if it's just removing it from one device's rootfs, or changing tools not to link against it, then I'm all for it. Feb 25 21:23:40 oh okay Feb 25 21:23:44 but the quoted statement sounded like more than that. Feb 25 21:23:56 (i.e. monotone drop packages/openssl) Feb 25 21:24:15 shadows: but it is no illegal to have openssl.bb in OE, people (e.g. I) am using parts of OE for non-gpl programs Feb 25 21:25:34 hmm Feb 25 21:25:41 yeah i didn't think about that Feb 25 21:25:55 i'd like to see a BSD distro in OE Feb 25 21:26:13 there are quite a few projects taht use OE but dont recontribute that are not GPL Feb 25 21:26:32 how are the .bb's licensed? Feb 25 21:26:37 MIT Feb 25 21:27:09 intentionally ;-) Feb 25 21:28:12 emte: hehe, at least I did contribute to OE, but only before the switch to monotone Feb 25 21:28:33 lol schurig i know, i didnt mean you specifically Feb 25 21:29:00 its been long know that there are many projects that dont recontribute Feb 25 21:29:04 known* Feb 25 21:41:19 * france is back (gone 13:03:15) Feb 25 22:15:09 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r93137068... 10/packages/linux/ (unslung-kernel/defconfig unslung-kernel_2.4.22.l2.3r63.bb): unslung-kernel: defconfig - loop was y now module, keyspan serial was n now module, isofs was n now module (with Joliet support). Feb 25 22:16:32 * emte is curious why you would make loop a module instead of a core driver Feb 25 22:18:16 concidering its use in filesystem and networking .... Feb 25 22:50:30 emte: I today found out about a few more companies using (or trying to use OE) Feb 25 22:50:51 s/OE)/) OE/ Feb 25 22:50:51 koen|away meant: emte: I today found out about a few more companies using (or trying to use ) OE Feb 25 22:54:16 koen|sleep, yeah? Feb 25 22:54:26 they give you any goodies? Feb 25 22:54:39 in appreciation ? Feb 25 22:54:39 they gave me beer :) Feb 25 22:54:42 * koen|sleep really ZZZZ now Feb 25 22:54:45 well tahts a start :) Feb 25 22:54:50 fyi: the root suturing stuff just landed on monotone mainline -- for those who were playing with it Feb 25 22:54:50 night Feb 25 22:55:08 ibot: botmail for zecke: 23:57 < njs> fyi: the root suturing stuff just landed on monotone mainline -- for those who were playing with it Feb 25 22:55:29 ~emulate stewie Feb 25 22:55:31 No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you. Feb 25 23:20:15 * france is away: Away Feb 25 23:45:05 morning Feb 25 23:56:48 is osb-jscore supposed to be able to build with gcc 3.4.4? Feb 25 23:58:07 johnX: yes Feb 25 23:58:16 looks like it got patched to build with gcc 4 and that patch causes -fno-threadsafe-statics to be added to the gcc command line Feb 25 23:58:23 IIRC -fno-threadsafe-statics is gcc 4 only Feb 25 23:58:38 johnX: hmmm, that sounds like a bug Feb 25 23:59:03 johnX: I dont suppose we are lucky and 3.4.4 ignores it? Feb 25 23:59:21 cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-fno-threadsafe-statics" Feb 25 23:59:35 but it's just in a patch Feb 26 00:00:22 I don't know if this makes sense, but is there some python magic that should appy the patch conditionally? Feb 26 00:00:56 appy -> apply Feb 26 00:00:59 johnX: that the 2006 date? I think the code in that bb is suppose to make that the least preferntial bb to build Feb 26 00:01:14 johnX: so it looks like that particular version is supposed to be gcc4 only Feb 26 00:02:11 sorry, I should have said that from the beginning, I specified -b to build the 2006 version Feb 26 00:02:30 johnX: then looking at bb I suspect it is not supposed to build Feb 26 00:02:50 ok Feb 26 00:02:51 DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "${@['-1', '1'][not bb.data.getVar('PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-c Feb 26 00:02:52 ross', d, 1) or bb.data.getVar('PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross', d, 1).split('.')[0 Feb 26 00:02:52 ] == '4']}" Feb 26 00:03:06 if I read right makes it PREFERENCE=-1 if gcc is not 4 Feb 26 00:03:12 ah, I think I glazed over that Feb 26 00:03:47 johnX: easy enough, took me a few mins to figure out that mess :-) Feb 26 00:25:27 shadows, i thought you fixed that to identify which gcc you were using ... Feb 26 00:26:58 hrmm Feb 26 00:28:55 so using -b it gets ignored? Feb 26 00:31:34 emte: i don't know, it was fixed up by JustinP, then corrected by koen i think Feb 26 00:32:24 or maybe XorA Feb 26 00:32:28 yeah its very strange logic to try and follow ... Feb 26 00:32:47 by XorA 's comment i dont think its his Feb 26 00:32:59 my point was in making that "fix", was that the gcc3 behavior is inherently broken Feb 26 00:33:20 and gcc4 behavior fixes the brokeness, breaking the code that was written for the brokeness Feb 26 00:33:32 how is it broken when its never been taught how to address invalid flags? Feb 26 00:34:10 thus making it necessary to either use gcc3 with code written for brokeness, fix the brokeness (which i didn't feel like doing, could be done though!), or make it only backwards compatible to the brokeness for builds that use gcc4 Feb 26 00:34:17 or do you mean its behavior itself? Feb 26 00:34:28 emte: the reason for that flag, i.e. the behavior itself as you say Feb 26 00:35:35 i am wondering if one could just build a class to "filter" unknown fags to specific gcc versions ... Feb 26 00:35:42 flags* Feb 26 00:35:47 ala Gentoo Feb 26 00:36:26 * emte shrugges Feb 26 00:36:47 anyways, repeating myself here, my point was that gcc3 behavior is inherently broken Feb 26 00:36:53 portage-c long ago refused to work with OE Feb 26 00:36:57 if you're using gcc3, it's broken. go fix the code. Feb 26 00:37:19 otherwise, i am using gcc4 for development here and that is what i target Feb 26 00:37:56 has gcc 4.x reached a stable classification yet? Feb 26 00:37:56 that all-too-clever hack simply means if you have a real fix for the code, allowing us to drop the flag for gcc4, by all means send in a patch Feb 26 00:38:09 emte: look it up yourself Feb 26 00:38:14 http://gcc.gnu.org/ Feb 26 00:39:35 looks like the answer is no Feb 26 00:41:19 hmm they are behind thier timeline too :( Feb 26 00:41:53 GCC 4.2 Stage 1 (ends Jan 18 2006) GCC 4.1.0 release Feb 26 00:42:31 emte: you do not seem to grok what is happening Feb 26 00:42:50 oh wait there it is Feb 26 00:42:52 in actuality, the GCC team is on-schedule (plus or minus one month) Feb 26 00:43:01 yeah i see it now Feb 26 00:43:08 strange page layout Feb 26 00:43:20 it's that way for a very intelligent reason Feb 26 00:43:26 doesnt go chronologically Feb 26 00:43:55 you are not looking at it with an understanding of how their releases work Feb 26 00:44:11 there's concurrent branches being developed simultaneously Feb 26 00:44:32 therefore, it is in chronological order, for multiple parallel tasks Feb 26 00:44:54 some of these tasks are progressing at differing rates from one another Feb 26 00:45:32 yeah i was tlloking at news vs timeline Feb 26 00:45:39 looking* Feb 26 00:52:11 :( Texas Instruments TMS320C[34]x was removed Feb 26 00:53:00 emte: shadows that bb magic isnt mine BTW Feb 26 00:53:08 ohh okay Feb 26 00:53:33 ohwell its a good thing i play mostly with Microchip DSP Feb 26 00:53:36 it only alters the PREFERENCE of the .bb, -b by design ignores preference Feb 26 00:53:59 then build the old version Feb 26 00:54:04 i don't see what the problem is. Feb 26 00:55:23 was a musing, nothing more Feb 26 00:59:47 Is there a page somewhere to help me switch from .dev to .oz352fam083? Feb 26 01:00:34 I mean 354 of course Feb 26 01:00:51 just add it to your montone pull Feb 26 01:01:09 add it, as in keep both? Feb 26 01:01:27 yeah if you want access to the devel stuff as well Feb 26 01:01:41 interesting... I'll try that, thanks Feb 26 01:01:47 pull dominion.kabel.utwente.nl org.openembedded.{dev,oz354fam083} Feb 26 01:01:53 thanks Feb 26 03:57:04 * france is back (gone 04:36:50) Feb 26 04:10:29 woohoo! Feb 26 04:10:46 ? Feb 26 04:15:01 you'll see in a min Feb 26 04:15:14 okydoky Feb 26 04:16:34 03jnc 07org.oe.dev * rb0535ae5... 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Introduce experimental wpa-supplicant linked against GNU/tls library. Feb 26 04:17:03 now we can legitimately distribute binary copies of OE based distros that have WPA support :) Feb 26 04:19:14 :-) yay Feb 26 04:19:42 thats good :) Feb 26 04:19:55 now iyt might work by default on my ipaq Feb 26 04:19:58 it* Feb 26 04:20:25 well if macchanger gets put in the image as well Feb 26 04:21:38 I'd like a non-embedded image myself...i.e. openssh instead of dropbear, real tools and shell instead of busybox... Feb 26 04:21:53 ;-) Feb 26 04:22:04 you can make one if you wish Feb 26 04:22:16 i belive simpad may use full tools Feb 26 04:22:58 i was wondering if a zeroinstall image coule be made Feb 26 04:23:02 could* Feb 26 04:23:06 that might be neat Feb 26 04:23:48 in a wireless accessable area, re-adapt every time you reboot Feb 26 04:24:02 kind have "profiles" Feb 26 04:24:08 of* Feb 26 04:24:16 its not possible to bind two drivers to a cf card at the same time is it? Feb 26 04:24:39 yes you can Feb 26 04:24:49 wait you can? Feb 26 04:24:54 in the case of wifi+storage for the sandisk wifi cards Feb 26 04:25:03 emte: sweet! thats what i've got Feb 26 04:25:16 * simcop2387 is going to setup a swap :) Feb 26 04:25:56 i think they show up as seperate devices technically Feb 26 04:29:39 i'm going to love having another 128mb of "ram" since the flash disk on there is pretty speedy Feb 26 06:13:37 * france is away: Away Feb 26 06:16:38 * france is back (gone 00:03:01) Feb 26 06:20:24 * france is away: Away Feb 26 07:16:58 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * ra72ab668... 10/packages/meta/unslung-image.bb: Feb 26 07:16:58 unslung-image: add kernel and update-modules to the IPKG list - kernel and Feb 26 07:16:58 update-modules must be in the IPKG list even though they are subsequently Feb 26 07:16:58 deleted so that they are cataloged in the ipkg database for dependency purposes. Feb 26 07:17:03 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r5f8984b6... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (unslung-rootfs-2.3r63/telnet.htm unslung-rootfs_2.3r63.bb): unslung-rootfs: install updated telnet.htm page Feb 26 07:17:10 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * rc210298e... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r63/remount-noatime.patch: unslung-rootfs: redo ext3flash patch - new ext3flash code can handle both sda and sdb, also added sync flag for conf partition Feb 26 07:17:11 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r0d421796... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r63/unsling: unslung-rootfs: fix missing wtmp and utmp Feb 26 07:17:15 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r660b3f50... 10/files/device_table-unslung.txt: unslung-device_table:added 2 /dev/loop devices Feb 26 07:17:20 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r0b31054a... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r63/ (NOTES README unsling): unslung-rootfs: README, NOTES, unsling fix - unsling handles pre-existing passwd files more carefully Feb 26 07:17:25 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r2272d19a... 10/conf/distro/unslung.conf: unslung.conf: update 6.6-alpha now Feb 26 07:23:36 emte: i'm not sure both can be in use at the same time, after playing around it doesn't seem to be able to do simultanious operation Feb 26 07:24:07 manuall or via GUI? Feb 26 08:25:50 emte: how would i do it via gui? Feb 26 08:26:00 i'm using opie at the moment Feb 26 08:41:37 simcop2387: that was his point. The GUI may not be up to it. You many have to do it on the command-line. Feb 26 08:41:53 JustinP: i have been Feb 26 08:42:12 JustinP: all i've been able to do is cause interrupt timing problems Feb 26 08:42:31 though i may not understand fully how to bind two drivers to a single cf/pcmcia card Feb 26 08:46:58 JustinP: oh i'm doing a bitbake -k world tonight when its done i'll build a list of packages that didn't build and figure out why Feb 26 09:07:32 ok, good luck Feb 26 09:07:41 I doubt it will finish in one night, though... Feb 26 09:07:50 world is quite large.... Feb 26 09:57:11 Morning all Feb 26 09:57:51 hi uv1 Feb 26 09:58:07 have u seen my message yestarday ? Feb 26 09:58:52 gremlin[it]: Yes I have ( but late ). Still the same probs ? Feb 26 09:59:58 i still have some errors at the end of build ... Feb 26 10:00:13 When was yopur last pull ? Feb 26 10:00:26 s/yopur/your/ Feb 26 10:00:26 uv1 meant: When was your last pull ? Feb 26 10:00:35 1h ago Feb 26 10:00:50 probably is some error on my 'personal' configuration Feb 26 10:00:57 gremlin[it]: Will try it again ;-) Feb 26 10:02:03 gremlin[it]: A question! Are you aware how to add debian packages to the oe repository ? Feb 26 10:02:34 nope sorry Feb 26 10:02:58 gremlin[it]: Adding do_package features then ? Feb 26 10:03:41 really don't know ... i'm focused on kernel ... Feb 26 10:04:15 gremlin[it]: May be I can help ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 26 10:59:56 2006