**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 26 10:59:56 2006 Feb 26 11:01:44 hi all Feb 26 11:02:00 * koen|fosdem curses the openbsd people for failing to make the wifi work Feb 26 11:11:46 koen|fosdem: Why does it really matter that they couldn't make wifi work? Feb 26 11:44:19 I just got psutils and schedutils building here. Packages were build using the debian sources original. How can I provide the new packages ? Feb 26 12:49:10 morning all Feb 26 12:56:38 morning Feb 26 13:00:26 man I'm getting old Feb 26 13:00:38 I think everyone is getting old Feb 26 13:00:59 2 days ago I "found" a totally emty / unused / unformatted 10GB(!!) partition on my laptops HDD Feb 26 13:01:27 uhhh Feb 26 13:01:27 I mean, how can one forgate about 10GB on a 60GB disk lol Feb 26 13:01:37 I've done that Feb 26 13:01:41 =) Feb 26 13:01:55 forget even Feb 26 13:02:02 and I can't even claim that it's because I'm getting old Feb 26 13:02:08 hehe Feb 26 13:02:12 * CoreDump|home is 28 Feb 26 13:02:17 * johnX is 22 Feb 26 13:02:21 t Feb 26 13:02:31 * gremlin[it] is 32 Feb 26 13:02:31 hats not exactly old =) Feb 26 13:03:12 anyways, there's something positive about that partition, now I'm going to try a few different distros heh Feb 26 13:03:53 I actually do the same thing on purpose these days...10G for distro 1, 10G for distro 2 or other OS, 40G for /home Feb 26 13:04:04 ahh Feb 26 13:04:18 any recs for a nice "Point and Click" distro? Feb 26 13:04:27 * CoreDump|home is burning Mandriva ATM Feb 26 13:04:52 problem is, I usually can't stand anything but debian Feb 26 13:04:55 I haven't tried madrake/mandriva this century Feb 26 13:05:01 same here Feb 26 13:05:16 ubuntu is rather nice, but it just doesn't stay as up to date as I'd like Feb 26 13:05:47 I tried ubunto about a year ago. Not bad, but its package selection was limited IIRC Feb 26 13:06:03 It's close to debian these days Feb 26 13:06:20 I was only missing some oddball stuff IIRC Feb 26 13:06:22 hmmm Debian with polish =) Feb 26 13:06:48 well, Ubuntu shall be next after Mandriva then Feb 26 13:07:09 problem with polish is you get a nice polished distro every 6 months and in the mean time start falling behind what's current Feb 26 13:07:49 I'm using Ubuntu. It's not bad :) Feb 26 13:08:18 I had ubuntu and gnome and all this pretty stuff setup...then needed kernel 2.6.15 for some wacky bluetooth headphones I have. I dropped debian onto the other 10G partition, and went back to windowmaker Feb 26 13:08:46 now that _is_ a problem for me Feb 26 13:09:10 I really deeply _dislike_ compiling stuff from source on my desktop Feb 26 13:09:15 heh, I found one of those mysterious blank partitions recently too :-) Feb 26 13:09:31 njs: =) I'm not feeling so old now hehe Feb 26 13:09:58 I formatted it ext2 and have been using it for cold-cache benchmarking, though Feb 26 13:10:12 heh Feb 26 13:10:26 (stupid linux, can't make the kernel flush its buffers except by devoting a whole partition to it) Feb 26 13:10:29 I'll compile kernels (when I need to) and really unstable stuff that I'm playing with, but when it comes to replacing some of the important system stuff, I'd rather just go back to debian unstable then mess around Feb 26 13:10:35 * NAiL is using ubuntu dapper drake. There's 215mb of updates available for me... yay Feb 26 13:10:54 that's what I'm putting over the ubuntu breezy install :D Feb 26 13:11:00 hehe Feb 26 13:11:02 wow Feb 26 13:11:15 Hmm.. I think my DSL-provider has upgraded my line without telling me Feb 26 13:11:20 or I will when I get unlazy Feb 26 13:11:21 I take the somewhat odd approach of running sid, and then only remembering to upgrade every 6 months or so :-) Feb 26 13:11:22 I'm getting 811KB/sec Feb 26 13:11:38 289 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 95 not upgraded. Feb 26 13:11:38 Need to get 215MB of archives. Feb 26 13:11:43 =) Feb 26 13:11:57 njs: I do that to boxes that aren't my main desktop Feb 26 13:12:06 NAiL: wow, that close to 10MBit Feb 26 13:12:19 my OE build machine was running kernel 2.4.27 until the other day Feb 26 13:12:25 njs: I'm doing the same thing here Feb 26 13:12:27 CoreDump|home: yeah... This is supposedly a 4mbit line :-P Feb 26 13:12:46 (But they upgrade it all the time, fortunately) Feb 26 13:12:53 my ISP is offering 18MBit DSL lines these days heh Feb 26 13:13:06 CoreDump|home: I thought the theoretical limit was 7...? Feb 26 13:13:09 Friend of mine is getting 25mbit Feb 26 13:13:12 so did I Feb 26 13:13:18 adsl2 Feb 26 13:13:22 ahh Feb 26 13:13:44 whatever the name, as long as it doesn't require windows drivers I'm fine with that hehe Feb 26 13:13:47 hmm, guess I'm out of date Feb 26 13:13:47 yeah Feb 26 13:13:52 huzzah for wikipedia Feb 26 13:13:57 ADSL2+ is 24mbit.. ADSL1 is 8Mbit, ADSL2 is 12Mbit Feb 26 13:14:13 * NAiL wants vdsl Feb 26 13:14:16 but one needs a new "modem" I guess Feb 26 13:14:18 I'm very happy with 6Mb cable... I just want a decent upload rate Feb 26 13:14:44 johnX: indeed, screw 18MBit downstream. I want 2 MBit upstream at the very least Feb 26 13:14:57 Yeah.. too bloody right. Feb 26 13:15:01 uploading images sucks with 256kbit Feb 26 13:15:03 ADSL's far to assymetric. Feb 26 13:15:53 well, I you have a ton of cash to burn you can get SDSL here. Feb 26 13:16:38 2MBit SDSL would be perfect Feb 26 13:16:43 hmm Feb 26 13:16:52 or a station wagon full of backup tapes, the latency isn't so hot...but the throughput is incredible Feb 26 13:17:00 I've been spoiled though... 2mbit download is kinda slow :-P Feb 26 13:17:01 * CoreDump|home seldom hits his 2MBit cap on downloads Feb 26 13:17:04 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r683a6396... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ixp4xx-kernel: Update to 2.6.16-rc4-git9, update defconfig to add CODA_FS=m, update ds101-setup.c kernel commandline Feb 26 13:17:16 johnX: =) Feb 26 13:17:23 johnX: Are you sure? Remember you have to write the tapes and read them back in afterwards :-P Feb 26 13:17:40 make that DVD-Rs Feb 26 13:18:01 that reminds me: my HDDs are full grrr Feb 26 13:18:16 * CoreDump|home soooo needs to buy a stack of DVD-R Feb 26 13:19:57 argh Feb 26 13:20:08 the update-notifier in ubuntu is as braindead as windows update Feb 26 13:20:29 I'm *currently installing* the updates. I perfectly well know that there are "updates available" Feb 26 13:21:09 heh Feb 26 13:22:36 does anyone here know if there is a variable containing the rootfs image name after bbimage is finished with creating the image? Feb 26 13:23:43 yeah, it's obnoxious, you can _get_ high bandwidth SDSL type stuff around here, but they switch to the "business" price scale, instead of the "consumer" price scale Feb 26 13:23:59 indeed Feb 26 13:24:17 even though I don't think it actually costs them anything different... Feb 26 13:25:04 heh...well if you have a decent upload rate you can actually *produce* content instead of *consume* it. Feb 26 13:25:16 If you're producing content, you must be a business, hence the rates Feb 26 13:27:11 yeah Feb 26 13:27:25 frikkin' evil. Feb 26 13:28:53 I mean, that's not why they do it, it's just simple economics on their part, that if you can charge people by how much they're willing to pay, you'd be crazy not to... Feb 26 13:29:33 but the result, as you say, is that individuals get nudged out of the creation business :-( Feb 26 13:32:10 it's just a nice side effect that you don't go and compete with them in the content creation business Feb 26 13:33:32 I don't think my ISP is in the content creation business Feb 26 13:33:45 ...though who knows about my telco, I guess. Feb 26 13:33:51 telco's terrify me. Feb 26 13:33:55 I know mine is: comcast cable Feb 26 13:34:16 cable companies scare me Feb 26 13:36:42 yeah, same same. Feb 26 13:37:32 Heh, even if I through money at them they won't increase my upload rate Feb 26 14:04:19 alright, I have what I think are working .bb's for fbreader (a nice X11/gtk ebook reader) and enca (extremely naive charset analyser - required by fbreader) Feb 26 14:04:32 I added them as bug #720 to oe.handhelds.org Feb 26 14:08:03 anyways, I think I'm gonna head to sleep before it gets light out again Feb 26 14:08:17 'night all Feb 26 14:35:27 time to install Mandriva ;) Feb 26 14:42:55 Hi all ... Feb 26 14:44:44 hi uv1 Feb 26 14:44:47 Just added a chapter "Customize" to my doc http://www.uv-ac.de/openembedded. Can that possibly be checked by anyone here ? Feb 26 14:46:54 CoreDump|install: I still have problems to build a bootstrap-image using this mornings pull. Lots of dependencies not fulfilled. Any ideas about that ? Feb 26 14:47:59 uv1: did you svn up bitbake? Feb 26 14:48:18 CoreDump|install: 2 or 3 days ago. Feb 26 14:48:44 that should be recent enough Feb 26 14:49:12 well, trash tmp and try again Feb 26 14:49:39 CoreDump|install: Already done ;-), BTW that the Windows method ;-)) Feb 26 14:49:54 heh Feb 26 14:50:07 which deps fail for you? Feb 26 14:50:23 Lots. Starts for base-files ... Feb 26 14:50:54 and they are in deploy/ipk? Feb 26 14:52:02 No, thats interesting ... Feb 26 14:53:36 bitbake -c clean task-bootstrap and build task-bootstrap again Feb 26 14:54:16 'bitbake base-files base-passwd ' first ... Feb 26 14:55:05 nope Feb 26 14:55:19 task bootstrap should do that Feb 26 14:55:46 thats what its there for Feb 26 14:55:46 Strange, both packages build. Somethings wrong with task-bootstrap then. Trying task-bootstrap now ... Feb 26 14:58:23 task-bootstrap does not build any new package. Thats the reason. Lets see ... Feb 26 14:59:44 now that's better... Feb 26 15:00:02 task-bootstrap : RDEPENDS is still there, but DEPENDS entry is gone. Feb 26 15:00:05 Why that ? Feb 26 15:00:16 oh I forgot Feb 26 15:00:32 that's the change which requires the bitbake update Feb 26 15:01:06 task-* doesn't depend on anything, bit an image.bb will compile the apps using some magic Feb 26 15:01:18 bitbake shows version 1.3.2.1 Feb 26 15:01:24 Is that correct ? Feb 26 15:02:23 1.3.3.0 here Feb 26 15:02:39 and I didn't svn up for quite some time... Feb 26 15:04:33 well, I have to say, irssi isn't all that bad if all you have is a VT Feb 26 15:06:26 CoreDump|install: svn'd to 1.3.3 now. Trying again ... Feb 26 15:08:12 Grrr rm -rf tmp;bitbake bootstrap-image Feb 26 15:09:09 BTW : I am working now and the on a perlscript, which uses the bitbake -nv output to build a freemind (*.mm) file and thus have a graphical representation of the dependencies of on package. Feb 26 15:09:24 m orning Feb 26 15:09:33 hi chouimat Feb 26 15:09:40 Does anyonw have an idea how to get the dependencies package versions ? Feb 26 15:10:10 s/anyown/anyone/ Feb 26 15:13:33 Grrr : bitbake bootstrap-image (1.3.3.3) : 'ERROR: Nothing provides runtime dependency diffstat-native' Feb 26 15:13:37 Any ideas ? Feb 26 15:14:26 CoreDump|install: Grrr : bitbake bootstrap-image (1.3.3.3) : 'ERROR: Nothing provides runtime dependency diffstat-native' Feb 26 15:19:04 Hi koen|fosdem Feb 26 15:19:07 Hi koen|train Feb 26 15:19:48 hey uv1 Feb 26 15:20:35 koen|train: Have problems to build bootstrap-image ... Feb 26 15:20:40 bitbake bootstrap-image (1.3.3.3) : 'ERROR: Nothing provides runtime dependency diffstat-native' Feb 26 15:20:51 koen|train: Any idea ? Feb 26 15:21:28 uv1: can you check your local.conf for an ASSUME_PROVIDED? Feb 26 15:21:52 test Feb 26 15:22:00 koen|train: ASSUME_PROVIDED = "virtual/arm-linux-gcc-2.95" Feb 26 15:22:03 if it says ASSUME_PROVIDED = something change it to ASSUME_PROVIDE += somthing Feb 26 15:22:08 CoreDump|irssi: passed ;) Feb 26 15:22:17 =) Feb 26 15:24:10 koen|train: Any docs, what are the changes on bitbake recently since the jan2006 breakage ? Feb 26 15:24:38 no docs, only notes in the mailinglist Feb 26 15:25:18 koen|train: Thats not nice ;-( Any special identifier in subject line ? Feb 26 15:25:56 not that I can remember Feb 26 15:26:48 koen|train: So when was the discussion then approx. ? Feb 26 15:27:45 just before the tag, so around new year Feb 26 15:28:42 koen|train: BTW, meanwhile bootstrap-image startet to build ;-) Feb 26 15:41:50 <_stalker_> would anyone here would have a prebuilt opie-image for HP-iPAQ hx2410? Feb 26 15:53:40 <_stalker_> because on my box, when trying `$ bitbake opie-image', it fails on glibc with (...) In file included from ./../include/libc-symbols.h:56, Feb 26 15:53:40 <_stalker_> | from :1: Feb 26 15:53:40 <_stalker_> | /home/julien/Dev/openembedded/build/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r2/build-arm-linux/config.h:3:3: error: #error "glibc cannot be compiled without optimization" (...) NOTE: Task failed: /home/julien/Dev/openembedded/build/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r2/temp/log.do_compile.14620 Feb 26 15:53:40 <_stalker_> NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r2: task do_compile: failed Feb 26 15:53:41 <_stalker_> ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Feb 26 15:53:43 <_stalker_> NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627: failed Feb 26 15:53:45 <_stalker_> ERROR: Build of opie-image failed" Feb 26 15:56:30 _stalker_: Feb 26 15:56:48 _stalker_: Can you paste the full output to pastebin ? Feb 26 15:57:05 _stalker_: Which gcc ? Feb 26 15:57:30 <_stalker_> i have a gentoo system with a 3.3.6 gcc Feb 26 15:58:27 <_stalker_> are the optimization related issues deal with the OPTIMIZATION parameters in build/conf/local.conf? Feb 26 16:00:18 <_stalker_> within oe, gcc 4.0.2 built well just before glibc Feb 26 16:09:04 <_stalker_> could anyone give me a sample of PROFILE_OPTIMIZATION (build/conf/local.conf) that works for glibc build? Feb 26 16:19:49 <_stalker_> uv1: posted on pastebin Feb 26 16:21:40 _stalker_: your machine and distro are wrong Feb 26 16:21:56 <_stalker_> in fact i have a hx2110 Feb 26 16:22:06 <_stalker_> but I already ran an hx2410 image on it Feb 26 16:22:09 <_stalker_> and it worked Feb 26 16:22:17 <_stalker_> as for the distro field Feb 26 16:22:29 <_stalker_> what should I write? Feb 26 16:23:01 also, your bitbake is too old (as probably your OE tree as well) Feb 26 16:23:16 I checked in some fixes for the hx2xxx ipaqs two days ago Feb 26 16:24:01 <_stalker_> OE tree: i've just downloaded the latest snapshot Feb 26 16:24:09 <_stalker_> dated from yesterday Feb 26 16:24:16 <_stalker_> i have bitbake 1.3.2 Feb 26 16:24:26 <_stalker_> latest gentoo available version Feb 26 16:24:59 like I said, your bitbake is too old Feb 26 16:25:21 <_stalker_> I checked in some fixes for the hx2xxx ipaqs two days ago : great news :) Feb 26 16:25:50 <_stalker_> which version of bitbake is recommended ? Feb 26 16:37:56 <_stalker_> koen|train_: Feb 26 16:38:09 <_stalker_> I've just installed bitbake 1.3.3 right now Feb 26 16:38:24 <_stalker_> and posted the result of `$ bitbake nano' on pastebin Feb 26 16:38:49 <_stalker_> still got the same issue on glibc Feb 26 17:42:38 _stalker_: Which pastebin number ? I could it build ;-) Feb 26 17:43:17 <_stalker_> 573402 Feb 26 17:43:21 <_stalker_> :) Feb 26 17:43:42 <_stalker_> maybe this can help me building glibc: http://sourceware.org/ml/bug-glibc/2001-09/msg00042.html Feb 26 17:43:57 <_stalker_> i'am doing different tests Feb 26 17:48:57 _stalker_: What version of make do you have. My log file looks really different behind the make -r PARA... line Feb 26 17:49:13 <_stalker_> 3.80 Feb 26 17:49:53 _stalker_: 3.81beta4 here, but that should not make a difference. So lets look at the error message ... Feb 26 17:50:23 <_stalker_> it points out the fact that no special optimization is forwarded to the compiler Feb 26 17:50:50 <_stalker_> i had a look at glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r2/build-arm-linux/config.h Feb 26 17:51:22 <_stalker_> so I tried adding the line "CFLAGS += "-03" in build/conf/local.conf Feb 26 17:51:36 <_stalker_> and stuff like that Feb 26 17:52:30 _stalker_: Do you accidentally have CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS and so on set in your base (non bitbake) environment ? Feb 26 17:52:50 <_stalker_> my gentoo environment, of course Feb 26 17:53:15 <_stalker_> but I don't think this disturbs Feb 26 17:53:26 ok, what does set | grep CFLAGS say then ? Feb 26 17:53:37 <_stalker_> that what I've just done :) Feb 26 17:53:41 <_stalker_> nbothing Feb 26 17:54:06 _stalker_: I switch that kind of stuff off using an environment script. If notthing, youre OK. Feb 26 17:54:23 Can you paste the complete do.compile logfile ? Feb 26 17:54:36 <_stalker_> maybe should I set another virtual/glibc version in build/conf/local.conf? Feb 26 17:54:47 <_stalker_> what's the location exactly? Feb 26 17:54:51 BTW : I still use the gcc-3.4.4 (but had also already success with 4.0.2) Feb 26 17:55:18 _stalker_: Wait ... What machine conf are you using ? Feb 26 17:55:39 <_stalker_> what do you mean "machine conf"? Feb 26 17:56:07 e.g. machine/c7x0.conf Feb 26 17:56:26 whats in oyu conf/local.conf dir MACHINE entry ? Feb 26 17:57:48 <_stalker_> ipaq-hx2110 Feb 26 17:58:01 <_stalker_> I didn't think it would give importance... Feb 26 17:58:03 <_stalker_> does it? Feb 26 17:58:24 <_stalker_> i've jsut posted do.compile logfile Feb 26 17:58:31 <_stalker_> #573531 Feb 26 17:59:16 _stalker_: where did you get ipaq-hx2110 conf from ? Are there GLIBC_ADDON or something like this in this file ? Feb 26 17:59:44 <_stalker_> this is just the model of iPAQ I have... I guess now it's quite naive :( Feb 26 18:00:40 _stalker_: send the log.do_compile. You send th run.do_complie file ;-( Feb 26 18:00:46 <_stalker_> oups Feb 26 18:00:48 <_stalker_> sorry about that Feb 26 18:02:10 <_stalker_> #573539 Feb 26 18:03:30 _stalker_: you need MACHINE=ipaq-pxa270, DISTRO=angstrom-2006.9 and rm tmp -rf Feb 26 18:03:30 <_stalker_> MACHINE = "ipaq-pxa270" Feb 26 18:03:33 <_stalker_> would be better Feb 26 18:03:41 <_stalker_> :) Feb 26 18:03:49 <_stalker_> allrigth Feb 26 18:03:56 <_stalker_> see you in a few minutes :) Feb 26 18:04:06 you need to uncomment one line in that file and comment another Feb 26 18:04:11 ipaq-pxa270.conf that is Feb 26 18:04:45 _stalker_: OK koen|away does the better job always ;-)) I have to leave now, see you ... Feb 26 18:04:59 <_stalker_> thx very much for the help Feb 26 18:05:28 koen: your ASSUME_PROVIDED hint was worth gold ;-) opie-image is building now ... Feb 26 18:06:59 <_stalker_> uv1: by curiousity, what was that ASSUME_PROVIDED hint? Feb 26 18:07:12 <_stalker_> (in case glibc builds ;)) Feb 26 18:08:44 uv1 had a ASSUME_PROVIDED = in his local.conf which interfered with the one in bitbake.conf Feb 26 18:08:56 changing it to ASSUME_PROVIDED += fixed it Feb 26 18:09:07 <_stalker_> ok Feb 26 18:10:29 the kernel might not be building, but RP said he'd look into it soon Feb 26 18:38:52 \join #familiar Feb 26 18:51:56 <_stalker_> koen? Feb 26 18:53:15 <_stalker_> pastebin #573624 Feb 26 18:54:07 <_stalker_> 573625 Feb 26 18:54:18 <_stalker_> | arm-linux-gcc: -pg and -fomit-frame-pointer are incompatible Feb 26 18:54:30 <_stalker_> I didn't specify such cflag anywhere... Feb 26 18:59:30 Evening Feb 26 19:00:23 morning Feb 26 19:01:02 Hi hrw Feb 26 19:01:08 how things going? Feb 26 19:01:31 hey greentux_nokia Feb 26 19:01:33 hey hrw Feb 26 19:01:36 Was a nice weekend @fosdem Feb 26 19:01:47 Hi koen Feb 26 19:01:49 I suppose Feb 26 19:02:05 had a good weekend too.. Feb 26 19:02:20 parents discussed lot of wedding stuff Feb 26 19:02:31 Now we are in munich. Flight delayed because snow Feb 26 19:02:37 ah, that's right both sets of parents were going to meet Feb 26 19:02:45 tomorrow I signn papers with playing band Feb 26 19:02:46 hi anyone here know why I get a build fail on the org.openembedded.oz354fam083 for pth-2.0.2-r0 Feb 26 19:03:23 I have wedding at 9.9. Feb 26 19:03:31 or would I be better on the familiar channel Feb 26 19:03:32 Harvy: RP had a cool demo of qemu + qemufb Feb 26 19:03:37 Harvy: I dont know and now I cannot check and does not care even now Feb 26 19:03:40 ehm Feb 26 19:03:43 s/harvy/hrw/ Feb 26 19:03:54 greentux_nokia: 8.7.6 here Feb 26 19:04:01 koen: nice Feb 26 19:04:02 hrw: we're now able too boot OE images in qemu and see X and or Opie Feb 26 19:04:17 koen: cool even Feb 26 19:04:31 ~lart non-ergonomic keybaords Feb 26 19:04:31 * ibot pulls out his louisville slugger and uses non-ergonomic keybaords's head to break the homerun record Feb 26 19:05:24 koen: I heard that you gave nice talk @fosde Feb 26 19:05:26 m Feb 26 19:06:05 and good news is that next year fosdem is in my plans now - approved by Ania ;D Feb 26 19:06:10 yay! Feb 26 19:06:21 Yes koen had a interesting talk. Tnx koen. Feb 26 19:06:21 next year we're planning to do a live demo with OE Feb 26 19:06:56 koen: I hope that this will be something other then "bitbake someting" output ) Feb 26 19:07:15 Perhaps we can do a oe talk @linuxkongress? Feb 26 19:07:59 greentux_nokia: perhaps we can do OE talk everywhere - time and money decide about it usually Feb 26 19:08:09 hrw: probably adding a new machine or package Feb 26 19:08:17 ~lart work Feb 26 19:08:17 * ibot strangles work with a 9-pole serial cable Feb 26 19:08:37 * france is back (gone 12:48:16) Feb 26 19:08:39 I had to leave early, so I didn't have time to talk to the nokia people Feb 26 19:08:44 koen: new arm or x86 machine is better then package I think Feb 26 19:08:50 Talk at linuxkongress is not a matter of money. Feb 26 19:09:13 tko said nokia was interested in using 'bitbake maemo-image' internally Feb 26 19:09:27 and garmin (the gps dudes) are trying to use OE as well Feb 26 19:09:45 greentux_nokia: url? Feb 26 19:10:49 http://www.linux-kongress.org/ Feb 26 19:10:59 Www.Linux-kongress.Org i think Feb 26 19:11:08 hi hrw, got keylaunch working on my collie Feb 26 19:11:30 there is only one problem with contacts button Feb 26 19:11:44 Its a int. developer meeting Feb 26 19:11:47 ctrl is now mapped to calendar key Feb 26 19:13:02 ;ag/// Feb 26 19:15:57 lag... Feb 26 19:16:15 Lrg had also talk. About asoc Feb 26 19:17:15 I know Feb 26 19:17:17 any ideas why sound on c7x0 doesnt work with latest asco and kernel? Feb 26 19:17:30 s/asco/asoc Feb 26 19:17:55 Works here. Only suspend crashs Feb 26 19:18:13 Will be fixed tom. Feb 26 19:19:16 ARGH.. 128kbps connection... Feb 26 19:19:48 and ancient putty... Feb 26 19:20:39 hrw: lrg mentioned you in this slides Feb 26 19:20:40 20kb connection and a java client :-) Feb 26 19:21:10 hrw: in the 'thanks to ...' section Feb 26 19:21:17 greentux_nokia: alsactl: load_state:1236: No soundcards found... Feb 26 19:21:21 koen: wow! Feb 26 19:22:02 Law_ you should ask lrg tom Feb 26 19:22:12 greentux_nokia: ok thanks Feb 26 19:22:26 koen: probably thats why I'm listed in few threads where some people @big.company appear... Feb 26 19:23:05 law_: screw latest - 2.6.4-rc1 runs ok ;D Feb 26 19:23:13 2.6.14-rc1 I meant Feb 26 19:24:14 law_: change wm8731 to husky Feb 26 19:24:26 law_: or whatever the dog name of your Z is ;) Feb 26 19:24:38 /etc/asound. Feb 26 19:25:01 the latest asoc uses the machine name instead of the codec name Feb 26 19:26:58 corgi//shepherd/husky/boxer on c7x0 or one of them? Feb 26 19:27:35 hmm.. I'm curious how goes rmk work on my 1g card... Feb 26 19:27:55 hrw: iirc dog name Feb 26 19:28:20 hrw: but you'd have to check with lrg Feb 26 19:28:29 Hrw no news about that card? Feb 26 19:28:47 koen: alsactl restore -f /etc/asound.husky Feb 26 19:28:49 alsactl: load_state:1236: No soundcards found... Feb 26 19:29:09 greentux_nokia: not yet Feb 26 19:29:21 law_: look in /proc/alsa/ Feb 26 19:29:33 greentux_nokia: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=113451123700001&r=1&w=2 Feb 26 19:29:48 Law_ make a save and see diff Feb 26 19:31:08 cat /proc/asound/cards Feb 26 19:31:09 --- no soundcards --- Feb 26 19:31:24 perhaps any module isnt loaded ? Feb 26 19:33:47 check it then Feb 26 19:34:09 I suppose that names of modules changed so they can be missing in image Feb 26 19:34:10 Ok guys. Cu tom Feb 26 19:34:17 cu greentux_nokia Feb 26 19:34:20 cu Feb 26 19:34:27 have a good flight Feb 26 19:34:31 * koen starts packing Feb 26 19:34:50 koen: you pack agaiin? Feb 26 19:35:12 yes, I have to start at 8 am tomorrow morning 200km away Feb 26 19:35:14 koen: check for double/triple packed tjhings Feb 26 19:35:17 so they booked a hotel Feb 26 19:36:02 I did s/used underwear/clean underwear/ in my backpack Feb 26 19:36:07 and s/gadgets// Feb 26 19:36:14 tomorrow I have to put parents into train (10h for them), sign papers with band, probably with video, go to home by train (2.3h) Feb 26 19:36:43 train travel sucks Feb 26 19:36:49 if it's longer as 1 hour Feb 26 19:37:01 * koen spent 5 hours in a train today Feb 26 19:37:14 yep Feb 26 19:37:43 my parents have ~10h by train and then 30km by car (in snow on iced road) Feb 26 19:38:00 cu tomorrow afternoon Feb 26 19:38:14 koen: cu tuesdat Feb 26 19:38:16 koen: cu tuesday Feb 26 19:39:43 hey if we can boot from an loopback image off another device, perhaps that should be the basis for installation? Feb 26 19:40:00 like how debian does it, with a bootstrap routine to install packages Feb 26 19:40:18 doesn't seem necessary now that i think about it though Feb 26 19:42:49 koen want to do it for angstrom Feb 26 19:42:56 do it/have it Feb 26 19:45:34 cu Feb 26 21:26:27 re Feb 26 21:27:12 hey zecke Feb 26 22:08:05 well bitbake world finished i haven't written down all the things that failed yet i will later tonight though Feb 26 22:42:24 grr. has anyone used the linux socket error queue before? (see man 7 ip) Feb 26 23:47:44 kergoth: can't say i've used the error queue before, but what about it? maybe i can help still Feb 26 23:49:32 cant get it to work. i've got a udp socket, trasmitting packets out, adn on the other end, a test app receives the udp packet adn bounces back an icmp destination unreachable. trying to get ahold of that icmp error via the error queue, but the select() never seems to return saying there was an exception (the means select tells the user about out of band data) :( Feb 26 23:50:00 its like the error never makes it into the error queue at all, or something. think i'll add some printks to teh appropriate areas of the kernel. was following it there earlier Feb 27 00:12:34 kergoth: you sure the error is being sent back correctly? Feb 27 00:15:44 relatively sure, i poked at the packet with tcpdump and everything looks kosher Feb 27 00:16:07 kergoth: no acks being sent when the packet is recieved? Feb 27 00:16:16 i know udp shouldnt' do that but still Feb 27 00:16:24 ? Feb 27 00:16:37 the problem is the side generating the udp packet isnt getting the _icmp_ error message Feb 27 00:16:47 kergoth: hmm Feb 27 00:16:52 not sure why that'd happen Feb 27 00:17:07 me neither, i gave up on the error queue and made the code open a raw socket and grab the icmp message that way Feb 27 00:17:12 less elegant, uglier, adn requires root Feb 27 00:17:13 :\ Feb 27 00:17:19 hmm Feb 27 00:17:23 ah wel Feb 27 00:17:36 hrm many things didn't build during bitbake world Feb 27 00:17:44 oh well i'll compile them as needed Feb 27 03:27:41 * france is away: Away Feb 27 04:44:52 hello all Feb 27 04:45:14 anyone here knows how to send a file with xmodem/crc under linux? Feb 27 04:45:42 i need it to flash my soekris boxes with new firmware, but minicom simply fails... Feb 27 04:52:08 oh Feb 27 04:52:11 good question, not sure Feb 27 04:52:25 maybe try ckermit Feb 27 04:52:26 or cu Feb 27 05:17:18 i found out why it fails Feb 27 05:18:00 the soekris bios starts sending some characters repeatedly every second or sh Feb 27 05:18:24 and sx from lrzsz chokes if there's more that one Feb 27 05:18:28 so you have to be very quick Feb 27 05:18:35 and use a filename like /tmp/s :) Feb 27 05:18:53 although it the upgrade hasn't helped me Feb 27 05:19:02 I still can't boot from flash automatically Feb 27 05:19:24 If I just knew what's going wrong Feb 27 05:21:14 zekoZeko, it might just be me, but you sure you have the correct baudrate? Feb 27 05:21:58 yes, i got the xmodem transfer working Feb 27 05:22:06 ah Feb 27 05:22:07 it was not the baudrate. Feb 27 05:22:09 okay :) Feb 27 05:26:16 ooooh Feb 27 05:26:18 the bastard Feb 27 05:26:27 it also has another setting Feb 27 05:26:55 BootPartition = 1 Feb 27 05:27:03 which can't be set to 0 Feb 27 05:27:23 so it can't boot from MBR, only from a partition Feb 27 05:28:07 i dont think flash devices can have an MBR ... Feb 27 05:30:47 its compactflash Feb 27 05:30:55 it behaves like a regular disk Feb 27 05:31:01 it was a mistake on my part Feb 27 05:31:07 now I've connected another unit Feb 27 05:31:21 it's not BootPartition = 0, it's Disabled Feb 27 05:31:25 oh the stupidity Feb 27 09:10:56 morning all Feb 27 09:12:09 hey ade|desk Feb 27 09:12:16 hey mithro Feb 27 09:18:35 morning Feb 27 09:23:12 how was the weekend ? Feb 27 09:23:30 great Feb 27 09:23:48 did pb_ join team opie ? Feb 27 09:24:49 sadly not Feb 27 09:24:51 :) Feb 27 09:25:03 we didn't have a T-Shirt for him Feb 27 09:25:12 all is well with the world then :) Feb 27 09:42:39 back from fosdem Feb 27 09:42:43 hi folks Feb 27 09:56:15 * obergix[work] is away: reunion Feb 27 10:01:11 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * ree48887b... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ixp4xx-kernel: updated to 2.6.16-rc4-git9 Feb 27 10:28:26 quick question, I'm going to get my hands on a new piece of kit containing a PXA262... there's already a bootloader on there capable of flashing some type of elf kernel - what should be my next few steps to get a booting linux kernel on there? Feb 27 10:48:15 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rb6698c4b... 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ixp4xx-csr, ixp400-eth: Bumped the PR due to the kernel version change to cause a rebuild in the feeds. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 27 10:59:56 2006