**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 27 10:59:57 2006 Feb 27 12:34:54 hello all Feb 27 12:36:51 JustinP: I want to inform you about my afforts on the virtualkeyboard in entrance Feb 27 12:40:47 JustinP: I found out, that I need to do some work at the theme to get a virtual keyboard working. so I learnd to wirte edje skripts. first I added one button to the default entrance theme. now I will try to modificate the entranc clinet code, so that a key will be submitted by the XSendEvent() funktion. I just want that you know that I keep on working on it. Feb 27 12:41:30 cya Feb 27 12:44:45 morning all Feb 27 12:47:24 hey RP Feb 27 12:47:38 hi zecke, XorA Feb 27 12:47:44 RP_: successful FOSDEM? Feb 27 12:48:18 XorA, Quite interesting, yes, thanks. Nice to finally meet some OE people :) Feb 27 12:48:45 should hopefully start making it to some of these events next year Feb 27 12:50:27 I quite enjoyed it. I also got to meet the new members of OH :) Feb 27 12:50:47 * RP_ is still in Belgium (at the airport)... Feb 27 12:51:15 The wifi functionality at FOSDEM was patchy at best :-/ Feb 27 12:51:50 RP_: too bad people had no badges Feb 27 12:52:05 FYI I was the guy asking many questions in koen's presentation ;) Feb 27 12:52:19 That did make things a bit tricky... Feb 27 12:52:58 obergix[work], There were a few people who did that but it narrows you down to one of a few faces... :) Feb 27 12:53:31 RP_: was asking about problems of the OE project (motivation, etc.) Feb 27 12:53:53 in the middle of 3rd row counting from the front of the room Feb 27 12:54:08 I expect Mickael's recording to be nice, also... Feb 27 12:54:44 I think I remember. I was in the back right hand corner seat Feb 27 12:57:23 looks like... you were referred a couple times Feb 27 12:57:53 ;) Feb 27 12:57:58 referred to Feb 27 12:58:06 but could't put your name on your face :( Feb 27 12:58:36 morning Feb 27 12:58:51 and since I had other rooms to visit... too bad Feb 27 13:01:27 * RP_ suspects his internet connection is unstable :-/ Feb 27 13:01:57 obergix[work], perhaps next time... Feb 27 13:02:43 RP_: sure... I will pay a couple beers then ;) Feb 27 13:03:14 obergix[work], sounds good :) Feb 27 13:03:14 RP_: if you happen to be available for traveling to brazil : http://www-inf.int-evry.fr/~olberger/weblog/2006/02/20/wsl2006-extended-deadline-for-cfp-for-workshop-free-software-in-porto-alegre-20060227/ Feb 27 13:03:38 several talks about embedded stuff coming on it seems (reading the list of papers in my track...) Feb 27 13:04:23 Sadly, I don't think I could justify a trip to Brazil :-/ Feb 27 13:05:26 RP_: sure... where 'r you based ? Feb 27 13:05:53 obergix[work], In the UK Feb 27 13:06:17 hi Liam Feb 27 13:06:23 Hi Richard Feb 27 13:06:26 RP_: similar fares than from France, then... 1100 euros back and forth Feb 27 13:06:42 RP: sat next to Thomas on the plane to edinburgh Feb 27 13:07:09 obergix[work], Its a little out of my budget atm then ;-) Feb 27 13:07:25 lrg, Ah, that was handy. I was wondering what time your flight was Feb 27 13:07:35 RP: can also reproduce bug, (also got your email :) ) Feb 27 13:07:37 * RP_ is at the airport... Feb 27 13:07:42 ah Feb 27 13:08:10 RP: I won the free OSCON tickect in the prize draw :) Feb 27 13:08:41 lrg, nice :) Feb 27 13:12:53 lrg: congratulation for the ticket Feb 27 13:13:59 zecke: thanks, they announced my name at the last event on Sunday, at first I thought I had won the 770 !Then he said it was the free tickets. Feb 27 13:19:09 morning all Feb 27 13:19:18 morning Dirk Feb 27 13:19:23 hi do13 Feb 27 13:19:29 hey Liam, Richard Feb 27 13:20:37 do13: btw, the audio conference i mentioned is in Karlsruhe Feb 27 13:20:48 Ahh Feb 27 13:21:16 lrg: What was the name of the conference? Feb 27 13:21:36 do13: 4th International Linux Audio Conference Feb 27 13:22:15 lrg: Ok http://lac.zkm.de/2006/ Feb 27 13:22:25 do13: yep Feb 27 13:23:22 RP_ : You are back in the uk? Feb 27 13:24:00 do13, Not yet. I'm at the airport atm Feb 27 13:24:53 lrg: just for my information, the draw concerns people present at that time or all donators ? Feb 27 13:25:04 RP_. We had a horrible trip. Our flight was delayed for 1:30 Hours. Feb 27 13:25:05 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rd2f81c91... 10/packages/meta/ (meta-sdk.bb task-sdk.bb): Feb 27 13:25:05 meta-sdk: Move the cross packages back into meta-sdk.bb Feb 27 13:25:05 Cross tools are installed without resolving dependencies so they can't use Feb 27 13:25:05 the usual task approach. Feb 27 13:25:09 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * re1ad72ee... 10/packages/qemu/ (files/configure.patch qemu-native_cvs.bb qemu_cvs.bb): Add qemu and qemu-native cvs versions Feb 27 13:25:27 obergix[work]: I'm not sure, i thinks its for all contributers. Feb 27 13:25:45 obergix[work]: they have still to contact me via email. Feb 27 13:26:33 lrg: I'd be glad to have won something, and didn't attend the closing one... any announcements at that time ? Feb 27 13:26:48 (not about winners, but fosdem in general) Feb 27 13:27:39 obergix[work]: ehm, no really. it was really just the ubuntu desktop presentation and then everyone left. Feb 27 13:28:12 lrg: ok, didn't miss much then... thx Feb 27 13:28:20 hi, folks. I checkout oe.db with monotone, and I got this "'protocol version mismatch: wanted '4' got '5''" Feb 27 13:28:51 which monotone should I use ? Feb 27 13:29:22 leoncamel: 0.25 Feb 27 13:30:29 do13, thanks. Feb 27 13:32:01 <_law_> any ideas why my Z c7x0 since latest asoc update doesnt find any soundcard? Feb 27 13:32:58 _law_: the soundcard name has been changed to the machine name now Feb 27 13:33:16 <_law_> lrg, what i have do to now? :-) Feb 27 13:33:50 _law_: this will be the last name change, as it didn't make any sence using the codec name. Feb 27 13:33:54 Be warned, I haven't tested c7x0 after the recent changes... Feb 27 13:34:10 _law_: I assume you can see it by doing /cat/proc/asound/cards ? Feb 27 13:35:00 <_law_> lrg, mom i?ll test Feb 27 13:35:53 RP: btw, I couldn't get a wifi signal at the airport :-/ I was waiting at B92-B98 Feb 27 13:36:21 03frederic 07org.oe.dev * rd36f6928... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Feb 27 13:36:21 opensimpad: Update to WE-18 Feb 27 13:36:21 see http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595 Feb 27 13:36:21 see http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=7237d2d3dbeea22100e5f34a64509cb73978750c Feb 27 13:36:25 03frederic 07org.oe.dev * raafd39c8... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 3 dirs): disapproval of revision 'd36f69289f03c75db72375cba8d47b713a10221e' Feb 27 13:36:30 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r35be8628... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Add qemuarm support (and a patch to fix the integrator rtc to work with the rtc framework) Feb 27 13:36:34 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r8e793ce3... 10/conf/machine/qemuarm.conf: Feb 27 13:36:34 Add new machine qemuarm (builds images and a kernel compatible with qemu's Feb 27 13:36:34 arm system emulation) Feb 27 13:38:52 <_law_> lrg, --- no soundcards --- Feb 27 13:40:12 _law_: ok, no sound then :( It's likely to be an initialisation change. What machine and codec is it ? Feb 27 13:41:15 <_law_> lrg, husky(760) how can i check codec ? Feb 27 13:41:55 morning Feb 27 13:41:56 _law_: it's ok, RP will tell me when he's back home. Feb 27 13:42:25 morning chouimat Feb 27 13:42:34 <_law_> lrg, ok so i have to wait? Feb 27 13:43:37 _law_: unfortunately, yes. :( RP's at the airport and I no longer have my borzoi. I'll be doing an rc3 patch tonight and will address this. Feb 27 13:46:25 <_law_> lrg, ok Feb 27 13:53:23 hi all Feb 27 13:53:53 I have a question about writing a .bb for a python package that has another external python package as a dependency Feb 27 13:54:37 I've tried putting the external package in DEPENDS and RDEPENDS, but It does not work Feb 27 13:54:44 any pointers? Feb 27 13:56:03 of course the external package has a .bb file and has been successfullly built/packaged Feb 27 14:00:29 <[lala]> hi guys :-) Feb 27 14:01:11 [lala]: hi [lala] Feb 27 14:01:27 hi [lala] Feb 27 14:01:44 <[lala]> hey lrg, do13 :) Feb 27 14:02:00 <[lala]> you have returned home safely? Feb 27 14:02:53 [lala]: yep, about 2hrs ago, RP is currently at 35000 feet Feb 27 14:03:42 <[lala]> hehe, hope he doesn't stay up there long ;-) Feb 27 14:03:49 [lala]: After some delays. I was at home at 01:20 Feb 27 14:04:17 <[lala]> do13: you tell me - we had a over one hour delay yesterday night :-( Feb 27 14:04:29 <[lala]> that damn snow in germany Feb 27 14:05:00 <[lala]> ~lart snow Feb 27 14:05:01 * ibot holds snow to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails Feb 27 14:05:42 [lala] We had the delay in brüssels. And after that I didn't catch my train in frankfurt :-( Feb 27 14:05:58 <[lala]> bummer Feb 27 14:06:34 And after 2 hours at frankfurt hauptbahnhof I had to use the Regionalexpress Feb 27 14:06:43 <[lala]> lrg: any chance to squeeze the bug in the asoc code out soon? :-) Feb 27 14:07:12 <[lala]> do13: how unfortunate :-( Feb 27 14:07:15 [lala]: doing it now Feb 27 14:07:23 <[lala]> lrg: cool Feb 27 14:14:38 <[g2]> my TARGET_ARCH is armeb but bootstrap-image is building the rootfs with --little-endian clearly I'm not getting the right mojo to bootstrap-image. Any clues where this endianness gets pick up ? Feb 27 14:18:07 [g2]: You have to adjust EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2 into your machine conf Feb 27 14:20:56 <[g2]> do13_ THX Feb 27 14:23:07 hey [g2], you wearn't at FOSDEM where you? Feb 27 14:25:53 <[g2]> mithro only in spirit :) Feb 27 14:26:24 <[g2]> mithro you ? Feb 27 14:27:25 I was there :P Feb 27 14:27:56 <[g2]> cool you see lennert / Feb 27 14:28:00 <[g2]> cool you see lennert ? Feb 27 14:28:15 lennert? Feb 27 14:28:22 <[g2]> ARM kernel hacker guy Feb 27 14:29:23 not sure, possibly :P Feb 27 14:29:33 meet lots of people Feb 27 14:33:26 how goes the Loft? Feb 27 14:37:09 (repeat from before people were awake) quick question, I'm going to get my hands on a new piece of kit containing a PXA262... there's already a bootloader on there capable of flashing some type of elf kernel - what should be my next few steps to get a booting linux kernel on there? Feb 27 14:39:39 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r3c138aa1... 10/packages/btsco/ (3 files in 2 dirs): btsco: fixed path in patch, added PR and RDEPENDS fields in .bb Feb 27 14:40:15 Stephmw: i recommend using a big stick Feb 27 14:40:28 mithro, there's that much pain ahead? Feb 27 14:41:25 Stephmw: nope, I'm just being silly Feb 27 14:41:48 PXA2xx should be much easier then some Feb 27 14:42:46 and I suppose having a bootloader on there already makes things a tad easier - I can't seem to get jtag info for the device :( Feb 27 14:50:19 Stephmw: yes and no Feb 27 14:50:25 depends on how good the bootloader is Feb 27 14:50:30 sometimes is just makes life harder Feb 27 14:51:18 menu driven and loads its resources from sd card for flashing - oh, and no sources :( Feb 27 14:51:43 but yeah, that doesn't say much Feb 27 14:52:59 Stephmw: just create a kernel for the closest device to it and give it a wirl Feb 27 14:53:21 if it doesn't work you know you have some work ahead of you, if it does work then you'll won't have wasted time Feb 27 14:53:31 'k Feb 27 14:55:18 google is your friend Feb 27 14:56:50 bblr Feb 27 15:16:13 re Feb 27 15:30:05 what other monotone-servers are there than vanille and nslu2-linux? Feb 27 15:32:53 there's three heads. And they're ugly. Feb 27 15:33:01 * NAiL found utwente Feb 27 15:33:19 NAiL: select one of them? Feb 27 15:34:01 I've tried merging them, but there's loads of changes that I don't wanna mess with. Feb 27 15:48:49 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r50d34955... 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Feb 27 15:48:49 explicit_merge of '8e793ce3712aac86ac8b5ef87d579d56ff6b95dc' Feb 27 15:48:49 and 'ae273a2de4c05752a9e1804c5c2809e14b1d568b' Feb 27 15:48:49 using ancestor '' Feb 27 15:48:49 to branch 'org.openembedded.dev' Feb 27 15:58:38 i'd like to add two packages to oe: libupnp and gmediaserver Feb 27 15:58:51 what is the process for submission? Feb 27 15:59:19 bugs.treke.net Feb 27 16:22:07 If someone who knows a bit more than me about monotone could merge the heads, that'd be nice ;) Feb 27 16:32:18 zecke: could you have a look at merging the head? Feb 27 16:32:35 zecke: I'm affraid I might blow away your tinderclient changes Feb 27 16:33:54 dont you just hate it when your sources dir gets corrupted Feb 27 16:35:08 koen|away: yes, need to pull first Feb 27 16:35:11 ade|desk: corrupted? Feb 27 16:35:18 ade|desk: using reiserfs4? Feb 27 16:35:33 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r6fdb3347... 10/packages/fbpanel/ (fbpanel-4.3/makefile.common.patch fbpanel_4.3.bb): fbpanel_4.3.bb : Add fbpanel, a lightweight gtk+ based panel Feb 27 16:50:16 ~lart nickserv Feb 27 16:50:17 * ibot chops nickserv in half with a free AOL CD Feb 27 16:55:09 * lrg has sent RP the asoc suspend fix patch Feb 27 16:55:21 hey lrg Feb 27 16:55:32 hey koen Feb 27 17:20:45 koen|food: ping Feb 27 17:21:03 koen|food: the orinoco changes are okay? Feb 27 17:23:35 koen|food: who didn't merge this time? Feb 27 17:23:50 koen|food: wouldn't it be more approrpriate to disapprove his revs? Feb 27 17:24:13 njs: ping :) we would love to have a lua hook so that we can reject pushing when two heads are created Feb 27 17:25:29 ~hail RP Feb 27 17:25:31 * ibot bows down to RP and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Feb 27 17:25:56 zecke: you can't really avoid multiple heads Feb 27 17:26:19 yeah, but these two heads are like... split up way back Feb 27 17:28:27 no I can't merge Feb 27 17:28:37 koen: take the right side for tinderclient... Feb 27 17:28:47 koen: there are way too many changes to kernel defconfigs.. Feb 27 17:29:23 koen: I need to continue my assignment the merge conflicts are endless Feb 27 17:29:37 and ackages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6/h2200/defconfig is tricky Feb 27 17:30:56 do we want jffs2 as module, cryptoloop no cryptoloop.. Feb 27 17:33:18 the lca is 11 days old Feb 27 17:33:44 no wonder the merges are endless Feb 27 17:39:38 heh Feb 27 17:39:51 I can't get viewmtn to go far enough back to see the lca Feb 27 17:43:21 zecke: suppose I push to vanilla and mickeyl types 'halt' in the console and you push to ewi... Feb 27 17:43:28 that's how you get stuff like this Feb 27 17:43:40 but yes, a lua hook to avoid divergence would benice Feb 27 17:43:48 s/benice/be nice/ Feb 27 17:43:48 koen meant: but yes, a lua hook to avoid divergence would be nice Feb 27 17:45:02 koen: I can't merge ATM I would have to read too much up to make the right decisions Feb 27 17:45:30 * zecke waits for his chinese food to be delivered Feb 27 17:46:37 all the way from china? Feb 27 17:46:44 yes Feb 27 17:49:40 zecke thursday nachos than? Feb 27 17:50:07 i just did an update, and for the first time I was asked to do a bunch of 2 and 3 way merges... why did this happen? Feb 27 17:50:22 HopsNBarley: you typed monotone merge :) Feb 27 17:50:30 (-; Feb 27 17:50:35 HopsNBarley: someone comitted without merging first... Feb 27 17:50:44 HopsNBarley: and he hasn't merge for a couple of weeks Feb 27 17:50:53 okay, that makes sense. thanks. Feb 27 17:51:13 HopsNBarley: best would be to not merge now I think (for you personally) Feb 27 17:51:44 it freaked me out b/c i was running my own branch, so i was sorta used to it, but then threw that away, and the merge was still there. Feb 27 17:52:01 oops - i've just finished a merge. Feb 27 17:52:08 how bad is that? Feb 27 17:52:57 HopsNBarley: not bad at all Feb 27 17:53:08 HopsNBarley: we must review we don't do a ping pong game here Feb 27 18:06:07 zecke|food: I'm talking about the situation on #monotone Feb 27 18:10:08 rwhitby: who has (shell)access to monotone.nslu2-linux.org Feb 27 18:11:06 good Feb 27 18:11:18 I'm going to continue with latex beamer Feb 27 18:14:43 rwhitby: could that person disable the monotone server for the time being? Feb 27 18:23:17 zecke: nah ext3fs.. hippy disk controller pesky compaq crap Feb 27 18:28:13 zecke: I fixed the issue on the servers Feb 27 18:29:15 koen: you've merged? Feb 27 18:29:46 NAiL: http://pastebin.com/575260 Feb 27 18:30:06 I did that on ewi, vanille and dominion Feb 27 18:30:13 nslu2-linux need to do the same Feb 27 18:30:20 aha Feb 27 18:30:26 ok, I think I can do that Feb 27 18:31:26 well, except the db is called nslu2-linux.db ;) Feb 27 18:32:12 slug@limax:~/monotone$ for i in `cat killrevs` ; do monotone --db=nslu2-linux.db db kill_rev_locally $i ; done Feb 27 18:32:15 monotone: misuse: revision 9c1b32d8825be71ddfdcbe3ddfa31b4cc8bb2aa0 already has children. We cannot kill it. Feb 27 18:33:54 koen: you have better monotone fu than me. Is that "ok"? Feb 27 18:35:01 ok->expected Feb 27 18:36:51 I've shut down monotone until further notice Feb 27 18:37:35 NAiL: that is ok Feb 27 18:37:44 you will notive that there is only one head now Feb 27 18:37:50 s/notive/notice/ Feb 27 18:37:50 koen meant: you will notice that there is only one head now Feb 27 18:38:44 hail zecke Feb 27 18:38:58 koen: thanks Feb 27 18:41:46 god Feb 27 18:42:04 that has to be done on all boxes that has the two heads? Feb 27 18:42:10 of course this fix will get me 'monotone sucks' type of mails.... Feb 27 18:42:15 NAiL: yes Feb 27 18:42:35 I'd hardly say it's monotones fault Feb 27 18:42:41 I know Feb 27 18:42:56 but that doesn't stop those lame bastards from complaining Feb 27 18:42:57 koen: montone sucks =) Feb 27 18:43:31 good evening all Feb 27 18:44:26 hey pH5 Feb 27 18:44:31 pb_: hey, I hope such a lua script can be written :} Feb 27 18:44:54 zecke: yeah, we all hope so Feb 27 18:50:33 ~lart opensuse installer Feb 27 18:50:34 * ibot whips out his power stapler and staples opensuse installer's foot to the floor Feb 27 18:53:11 <_stalker_> hi there! Feb 27 18:53:27 <_stalker_> is there any known issue with package hostap-modules-0.4.4? Feb 27 18:53:39 <_stalker_> cause it refuses t to build on my box :( Feb 27 19:05:03 djeez Feb 27 19:05:05 http://linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=02202006173436 Feb 27 19:05:11 it still doesn't list OE Feb 27 19:06:07 zecke: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/fosdem2006 Feb 27 19:07:33 oh. how was fosdem? Feb 27 19:09:02 koen: I'll try and send my pics to you later tomorrow Feb 27 19:09:57 pH5: fosdem was good. belgian beer turned out to be stronger than anticipated ;) Feb 27 19:13:02 lrg: did anyone manage to do some group photo? Feb 27 19:13:52 * koen browses through http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/fosdem2006/ Feb 27 19:13:58 koen: OT: did you use semiverbatim on latexbeamer yet? Feb 27 19:14:02 koen: yes, we got some at sunday lunch time in the restuarant; me, mickeyl, pb, rp, zecke, do13, mithro Feb 27 19:14:08 koen: how do start a new line? Feb 27 19:14:21 zecke: 'foo \\' Feb 27 19:14:30 lrg: ah nice Feb 27 19:15:09 koen: doesn't work here :} Feb 27 19:15:34 ah I'm looking worse than wookey Feb 27 19:16:08 koen: ok, I've got some from friday at our side of the table. Feb 27 19:31:18 lrg: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl should bypass a zillion forwarders :) Feb 27 19:32:27 koen: ok, still downloading from camera.... Feb 27 19:41:33 koen: it's its way Feb 27 19:47:49 lrg: thanks Feb 27 19:55:01 lrg: typical picture of mickeyl during fosdem: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/fosdem2006/dscf0371 ;) Feb 27 19:56:18 heh, true ;) Feb 27 20:00:21 heh, looks like you had a lot of fun Feb 27 20:09:59 * RP returns Feb 27 20:10:13 hey RP Feb 27 20:10:34 koen: Was the heads issue caused by me? Feb 27 20:10:42 RP: no Feb 27 20:10:43 hey RP, long flight Feb 27 20:10:55 * RP found multiple heads just as the wifi ran out :-/ Feb 27 20:11:36 lrg: Also had to do things like eating :) Feb 27 20:12:03 and clear up my mailbox after a spam checker failure... Feb 27 20:18:34 hey mallum Feb 27 20:18:41 hey mallum Feb 27 20:18:54 * RP hides Feb 27 20:18:58 * koen is proudly wearing his OH t-shirt :) Feb 27 20:19:03 hey zecke, koen :) Feb 27 20:19:05 :) Feb 27 20:20:05 koen: hehe I'm wearing it as well Feb 27 20:20:21 probably for the same reason Feb 27 20:20:34 :) Feb 27 20:20:35 mallum: two from two people had hard time reading the company name Feb 27 20:20:40 most nearby clean shirt Feb 27 20:20:52 koen: I'm living at home, so that doesn't apply here Feb 27 20:21:32 zecke: excellent thats the idea Feb 27 20:21:53 awesome Feb 27 20:23:43 mallum: panda claw! Feb 27 20:23:45 :p Feb 27 20:24:10 hmm wlan also crashes with latest kernel :-( Feb 27 20:24:22 koen: yes pandahand too Feb 27 20:24:36 koen: as long as its not openhanded Im happy ;) Feb 27 20:24:52 law_: Which two kernels are you comparing? Feb 27 20:25:06 mallum: not openedhanded? Feb 27 20:25:20 RP: comparing? i use latest .dev kernel (c7x0) Feb 27 20:25:44 RP: or that ;) Feb 27 20:25:56 * zecke hides Feb 27 20:26:17 law_: "with latest kernel" tells me nothing. 2.6.15-r7 works and 2.6.15-r8 doesn't is much more helpful Feb 27 20:26:51 RP: havent tried wlan for a while.. Feb 27 20:27:57 okay of to the gym Feb 27 20:28:21 off even Feb 27 20:28:54 zecke: have fun... Feb 27 20:28:56 * Philippe is back (gone 119:01:37) Feb 27 20:36:17 here is the dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/575476 Feb 27 20:36:31 perhaps i should try to rebuild hostap drivers? Feb 27 20:40:31 law_: Was that the in kernel or the external hostap module? Feb 27 20:47:01 RP: hmm both are installed http://pastebin.com/575499 Feb 27 20:47:13 so i should remove 0.3.9 or ? Feb 27 20:47:31 modules and modules-cs Feb 27 20:47:57 law_: Yes, use the internal kernel versions Feb 27 20:48:10 RP: ok thanks, i?ll try Feb 27 20:50:49 RP: hostap-utils depends on hostap-modules should i force-depends ? Feb 27 20:52:12 law_: yes. I suspect something's not quite right in the dependencies... Feb 27 20:52:43 night all Feb 27 20:52:50 'night lrg Feb 27 20:52:58 'night lrg Feb 27 20:53:49 the next half hour monotone push access will be flaky as I kick the servers around Feb 27 20:55:45 RP: wlan works fine now :-) Feb 27 20:55:56 koen: ok. You have a lot more patience with monotone than me ;-) Feb 27 20:56:22 law_: That's good to know. Was this an image from scratch in OE? Feb 27 20:56:35 RP: yes Feb 27 20:56:50 openzaurus-devel Feb 27 20:56:54 RP: not really, it has to keep working till we switch Feb 27 20:58:39 koen: true :-/. I need to get some documentation for git written to help speed that up :) Feb 27 21:01:08 koen: I assume that montone can't automatically propogate the kill list between the servers? Feb 27 21:01:33 it can't Feb 27 21:01:53 we've been discussing remote killing methods on #monotone :) Feb 27 21:02:37 zecke: I suspect the monotone people would be interested in your tailor patches Feb 27 21:03:13 koen: well these are nothing to show off (yet) Feb 27 21:04:12 * koen is tempted to put ~/.monotone/monotonerc under monotone control Feb 27 21:11:32 okay finally al is home Feb 27 21:14:04 koen: I'm here now. what do we need to do on monotone.nslu2-linux.org ? Feb 27 21:14:15 rwhitby: NAiL already covered it :) Feb 27 21:26:56 koen: do I need to disable keys until all developers apply your fix? Feb 27 21:28:36 rwhitby: just for a few hours Feb 27 21:28:59 what's the lua comment char again? Feb 27 21:29:01 people that didn't read the mail probably also haven't got the wrong revs Feb 27 21:29:25 rwhitby: no idea, I just backed up .monotonerc and remove all keys Feb 27 21:33:17 koen: all nslu2-linux developer keys disabled here (I left all the OE developers in there, assuming that they don't push to m.n-l.o Feb 27 21:45:41 <[lala]> re Feb 27 21:47:15 hey ho folks Feb 27 22:03:25 koen: is there some magic to be done to recover monotone? Feb 27 22:06:11 XorA|gone: wget http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/killrevs Feb 27 22:06:11 for i in `cat killrevs` ; do monotone --db=../monotone/nslu2-linux.db \ Feb 27 22:06:14 db kill_rev_locally $i ; done Feb 27 22:06:23 of course, change the db file to OE Feb 27 22:06:59 (you'll get an error, just ignore it) Feb 27 22:07:19 or 24 hours, coffee, and meld ;) Feb 27 22:07:47 heh, yah. Hardly worth it Feb 27 22:09:33 perhaps it will fall down to people doing a grab of ~ewi's db again like when the db was upgraded Feb 27 22:10:25 NAiL: cool, cheers Feb 27 22:10:30 np Feb 27 22:10:47 NAiL: I assume everyone has to do this to get write access again? Feb 27 22:11:17 koen would know that Feb 27 22:12:06 XorA|gone: no Feb 27 22:12:29 maybe we need to have one push and many pull servers , bit like when we had oe in bk, with the dev tree Feb 27 22:12:57 and like with bk sit on our hand for a long time as the push server is down Feb 27 22:13:11 hmm sounds like fun Feb 27 22:13:20 s/hand/hands/ Feb 27 22:13:20 koen meant: and like with bk sit on our hands for a long time as the push server is down Feb 27 22:13:22 * XorA|gone sure hopes he didnt accidently screw this one up Feb 27 22:24:31 what revs caused this? Feb 27 22:24:43 if I haven't pulled in a day or 2 do I need to killrevs? Feb 27 22:25:15 you probably don't Feb 27 22:25:56 I suppose I should pull, then run killrevs just to be sure.... Feb 27 22:26:01 vanille.de is up and allowing push again Feb 27 22:26:23 * JustinP pulls Feb 27 22:26:25 JustinP: the important thing it to run killrevs before committing stuff Feb 27 22:26:48 and/or selecting the right head for updating Feb 27 22:27:17 yep Feb 27 22:27:28 did a disapprove not help? Feb 27 22:27:35 and mt merge --lca didn't work? Feb 27 22:27:41 you can't dissaprove merges Feb 27 22:27:49 it was a bad *merge*? Feb 27 22:27:55 holy cow, that's no good Feb 27 22:27:59 multiple correct merges Feb 27 22:28:21 which meant you had to merge over two weeks of revisions Feb 27 22:28:24 hmmm....well if multiple merges cause the same files it *should* be the same rev....I thought.... Feb 27 22:28:44 anyway...horribleness Feb 27 22:28:48 indeed Feb 27 22:29:09 not unfixable, but we're just too lazy/busy to do ti the right way Feb 27 22:29:26 s/ti/it/ Feb 27 22:29:27 koen meant: not unfixable, but we're just too lazy/busy to do it the right way Feb 27 22:32:03 * JustinP pales Feb 27 22:32:05 monotone: misuse: revision 9c1b32d8825be71ddfdcbe3ddfa31b4cc8bb2aa0 already has children. We cannot kill it. Feb 27 22:33:52 koen: the child of that rev is yours..... Feb 27 22:34:41 shit happens Feb 27 22:34:52 http://oe.pastebin.com/575706 Feb 27 22:34:59 I suppose I should kill that one too? Feb 27 22:36:37 and that one has a child.... Feb 27 22:37:29 the killrevs script works well enough to end up with only one head Feb 27 22:37:36 * JustinP gives up, there's a whole tree here! Feb 27 22:37:45 it didn't kill anything for me... Feb 27 22:38:02 if you run it again it will give more error messages Feb 27 22:38:05 none of the revs were in my DB except yours and I have a whole sub-tree underneath it so I can't kill it Feb 27 22:38:13 same as the first Feb 27 22:38:28 weird Feb 27 22:38:36 is the current snapshot ok? Feb 27 22:38:59 I think so, it is old enough Feb 27 22:39:19 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/snapshot.db is certainly safe Feb 27 22:39:23 "old" being 10:50 today? Feb 27 22:39:36 I was looking at OE.db.bz2 Feb 27 22:40:17 yes only being 11 hours ago Feb 27 22:40:17 well....I can update as well....no hydra.... Feb 27 22:40:31 with my DB with your rev not killed.... Feb 27 22:40:39 * JustinP wonders what will happen if he pushes.... Feb 27 22:40:44 (I pulled just now, BTW) Feb 27 22:40:49 so I guess my graph is ok... Feb 27 23:00:16 * france is back (gone 19:32:41) Feb 27 23:19:03 koen: is there a single line check to see if a db has been fixed? Feb 27 23:19:31 (so we can double check the nslu2-linux db and then re-enable syncs) Feb 27 23:19:40 if it has a single head, it's ok Feb 27 23:26:23 RP: don't worry too much, it is some kind of a misfeature of monotone :} Feb 27 23:27:06 zecke: we seem good at finding them :} Feb 27 23:27:25 RP: actually pb, mickeyl and me talked about it on Saturday evening :} Feb 27 23:27:57 I'm not actually totally sure how any system would do better in this case -- I would be curious to hear :-) Feb 27 23:28:00 njs: do you think we can reject pushing when multiple heads would be created? Feb 27 23:28:13 njs: better in what way is the question :) Feb 27 23:28:20 zecke: and then someone enacted it today :-/ Feb 27 23:28:26 once you have distributed some revs that you don't like, in any distributed system you kind of have to talk to everyone and make them get rid of them... Feb 27 23:28:32 RP: maybe it was pb_ paying someone Feb 27 23:28:53 hehe Feb 27 23:28:58 zecke: we have talked about adding a feature to reject pushes in that case, yeah. sort of like you guys talking :-) Feb 27 23:29:00 njs: right, I think that part can't be avoided Feb 27 23:29:14 did anyone try merging with --lca? Feb 27 23:29:26 I think I want a better understanding of what exactly happened here, and why it caused problems, actually... Feb 27 23:29:29 njs: I can not think of a usecase where you would need to push a 2nd head to a OE server Feb 27 23:29:43 njs: I can understand having multiple heads in your working copy Feb 27 23:29:51 *tired* Feb 27 23:30:05 It would be nice if we could reject pushes with a time difference between the head revision and the push of say more than 4 hours... Feb 27 23:30:13 I'm sadly forced to stop talking and start my night shift on finishing my paper Feb 27 23:30:17 njs: some merged on a daily basis and committed that Feb 27 23:30:26 someone* Feb 27 23:30:50 njs: which created a new head since it was a few days behind Feb 27 23:31:08 so to solve it we would have needed to merge over ~2 weeks worth of revisions Feb 27 23:31:32 koen: like, someone repeatedly pulled and merged, and then a few days later pushed a whole bunch of redundant merges? Feb 27 23:31:48 who was this someone? Feb 27 23:31:53 * JustinP wonders Feb 27 23:32:03 which leads to a monotone misfeature: 'A -> B -> C -> D' on one file will end up trying to merge B, C and D in meld... Feb 27 23:32:13 koen: so the nslu2-linux folks all use the Makefile, which explicitly pulls first, then checks for multiple heads and merges locally if there are, and then and only then pushes back. Should that not be instituted in OE-land too? Feb 27 23:32:29 yeah, I'd say if you don't push your changes withint a day you shouldn't be allowed to push...or perhaps 2 days... Feb 27 23:32:32 rwhitby: something like that Feb 27 23:32:38 rwhitby: without breaking offline commits Feb 27 23:33:04 rwhitby: That doesn't solve the case where someone pushes just before you push back... Feb 27 23:33:08 koen: our Makefile doesn't break offline commits - you can commit whenever you like. it's just that to push you need to pull first and merge first locally before pushing Feb 27 23:33:27 RP: right, but then the two heads are very close in time. Feb 27 23:33:31 njs: OT: do you have a version field in netsync? so clients can recognize they are too old? Feb 27 23:33:38 koen: still not quite following Feb 27 23:33:47 zecke: yes, that's how we do the "err, sorry, you need to upgrade" message Feb 27 23:34:13 rwhitby: agreed - they become easy merges. We just need to revent these elderly ones... Feb 27 23:34:29 s/elderly/complex/ Feb 27 23:34:30 RP meant: rwhitby: agreed - they become easy merges. We just need to revent these complex ones... Feb 27 23:34:37 njs: say you pull and merge everyday, then go away for a week and then merge, leave for another couple of days and push the results Feb 27 23:34:46 koen: nod Feb 27 23:34:47 RP: right, and be requiring a pull, merge, push paradigm every time you push, you prevent the hard ones Feb 27 23:34:48 * RP strangles ibot Feb 27 23:34:58 s/be/by/ Feb 27 23:34:58 rwhitby meant: RP: right, and by requiring a pull, merge, push paradigm every time you push, you prevent the hard ones Feb 27 23:35:19 rwhitby: agreed. People should be doing that anyway but I guess we can't trust them :-/ Feb 27 23:35:47 njs: so monotone is forcing us to merge over an ancient LCA Feb 27 23:35:52 RP: well, you need to give them the tools so that it is easier to do it the right way. That's why nslu2-linux has the MasterMakefile. Feb 27 23:35:59 koen: ahhhh, it's the stupid lca stuff... Feb 27 23:36:09 koen: if you use --lca, does that make the merge easy again? Feb 27 23:36:16 njs: no Feb 27 23:36:27 same ancestor in both cases Feb 27 23:36:30 koen: my gut reaction here was "but shouldn't you be able to just merge in the thing they pushed, and that should be a trivial merge"? Feb 27 23:36:34 koen: hmm, interesting Feb 27 23:36:49 there wasn't actually a push Feb 27 23:37:03 it was a zillion merges + commit + dissaprove of commit Feb 27 23:37:15 so actually nothing should have changed in the repo Feb 27 23:37:36 but it does require us to merge over two weeks worth of stuff by hand Feb 27 23:37:44 there has to have been a push or a sync... Feb 27 23:37:57 koen: nod Feb 27 23:38:06 say, is there a copy of the bad db anywhere anymore? Feb 27 23:38:07 RP: s/push/commit/ somewhere Feb 27 23:38:30 I would like to try this horrible merge over two weeks of stuff myself, and see if it has to be so bad :-) Feb 27 23:39:12 njs: any manual merge of files that you have not personally touched is bad - people here are (rightly) scared of doing that. Feb 27 23:39:21 rwhitby: yeah Feb 27 23:39:40 I suspect my laptop has the bad db still Feb 27 23:39:42 and that is what happened in this case. Feb 27 23:39:56 njs: for example the tinderclient.bbclass was only edited by zecke, but somehow monotone requires me to 3way diff that file in the merge Feb 27 23:40:07 koen: same here. Feb 27 23:40:11 rwhitby: okay. if you're seeing merge conflicts on files you didn't touch, then that's definitely a bug in the merger. Feb 27 23:40:19 njs: in my mind that shouldn't happen with properly tracked ancestors Feb 27 23:40:26 I personally will re-download the whole database rather than merge a file I didn't edit. Feb 27 23:40:32 (manual merge that is( Feb 27 23:40:34 it's possible that it's a bug in _3 way merge itself_, rather than our implemetnation of it in particular... Feb 27 23:41:06 but! that's why 0.26 doesn't even use 3-way merge for such cases Feb 27 23:41:14 it uses an extra-spiffy high tech thing I invented instead Feb 27 23:41:37 njs: when is 0.26 about to be released? Feb 27 23:42:19 heh Feb 27 23:42:21 monotone: fatal: std::exception: Botan: I/O error: DataSink_Stream: Failure writing to std::ostream Feb 27 23:42:27 oh Feb 27 23:42:32 that's a fancy way of saying 'your disk is full' Feb 27 23:42:37 /dev/sda1 9.2G 8.8G 0 100% / Feb 27 23:43:15 re Feb 27 23:43:28 pb_: wb Feb 27 23:43:51 hi koen Feb 27 23:46:32 rwhitby: any chance you have a 'bad' db around for njs? Feb 27 23:46:58 I have one Feb 27 23:47:03 ah, cool Feb 27 23:47:19 it seems my attempts to get rid of the revs were too successfull Feb 27 23:47:24 http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/bad-oe.db.bz2 Feb 27 23:48:56 koen: you could delete some sources from my source checker directory? Feb 27 23:49:04 sorry, gf was talking to me Feb 27 23:49:04 koen: or isn't that on ewi? Feb 27 23:49:13 zecke: probably in /home Feb 27 23:49:18 I was going to say "...which helps you not at all, right now :-)" Feb 27 23:49:33 zecke: /dev/sda2 60G 54G 5.1G 92% /home Feb 27 23:49:35 * njs wget's RP's db Feb 27 23:50:14 the merging stuff in general is a big pain... we all know pretty much the same algorithms, and none of them actually work right :-( Feb 27 23:51:05 0.26's "mark merge" stuff _should_ be an improvement in a lot of cases, but it still falls back on 3-way merge to merge files that mark-merge determines have been edited by multiple people, and so you still have those potential problems... Feb 27 23:52:22 njs: 'edited by' == 'appears in merge by'? Feb 27 23:52:43 koen: hmm, I'm not sure what you mean by "appears in merge by" Feb 27 23:53:01 basically, the trick is, mark-merge is an actual, theoretically sound merging algorithm Feb 27 23:53:24 njs: is I do a merge containing 'foo', will that count as 'koen edited foo' later on? Feb 27 23:53:57 it should do something smart in all cases (and we can document what exactly we mean by "smart"). None of this faffing about with choosing a good merge ancestor, oh noes sometimes there is no good merge ancestor, then what do we do, blah blah Feb 27 23:54:00 njs: e.g. see http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/manifest.psp?id=6fdb3347025c12bf6ebe065971216714232b9f38&path=site Feb 27 23:54:13 and look at the 'last log entry' column Feb 27 23:58:12 'night all Feb 27 23:58:47 koen|sleep: hmm, that's a UI issue... also a bug, but a separate one :-) Feb 27 23:59:36 the problem with mark-merge is that it only works on indivisible units... so it's great for merge like executable bits and file names and stuff, but for file content all we can do is do a first pass to see if the entire file, as a single unit, has been changed on both sides... Feb 27 23:59:51 if not, then it should be able to tell really well. if it has, then it has to fall back to 3-way. Feb 28 00:00:01 anyway, 'night :-) Feb 28 00:03:54 hi cp Feb 28 00:04:01 * Philippe is away: visual contact - melancholic dreams Feb 28 00:04:44 I'd best go to bed as well. 'night all Feb 28 00:07:20 njs: night Feb 28 00:07:23 RP: night Feb 28 00:11:47 zecke: heh, so, I just had dinner with someone from Bonn, and she seemed to think that Leffe was readily available in (that part of) Germany. It seems that mickey is just not trying hard enough. Feb 28 00:17:01 pb_: hehe, or he could setup a liquid store, import leffe and be his best customer Feb 28 00:17:25 right, that sounds like his best option Feb 28 00:18:35 alternatively I could biuy some leffe at the supermarket and send it to him via fedex, but that seems like an inefficient use of resources. Feb 28 00:19:08 buy, that is, not biuy Feb 28 00:31:14 ibot: chanset #oe sed 0 Feb 28 00:31:14 Setting sed for #oe to '0'. Feb 28 00:31:23 foo Feb 28 00:31:30 s/foo/bar/ Feb 28 00:33:14 heh Feb 28 00:33:17 they finally did it Feb 28 00:35:09 ah, very good Feb 28 00:35:14 ~stab timriker Feb 28 00:35:19 * ibot runs at timriker with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Feb 28 00:36:52 ~stab Microsoft Origami Feb 28 00:36:54 * ibot runs at Microsoft Origami with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Feb 28 00:38:11 ibot: we may need your help, for real Feb 28 00:41:52 MS Origami?? Feb 28 00:57:46 JustinP: its a new handheld/thingy that MS is supposedly developing. Feb 28 00:58:39 not a full pda/computer; it's rumored to be targeted at the iPod Feb 28 01:00:53 JustinP: from what I gather, its likely to be a closed platform. Probably DRM infested media. Feb 28 01:06:29 did someone want me? Feb 28 01:06:34 no, sorry Feb 28 01:06:40 I saw that I ha da message but lost my screen.... Feb 28 01:06:50 i was just describing FUD from microsoft, its not important Feb 28 01:07:01 ok Feb 28 01:07:06 * raduga apologises to JustinP and ibot Feb 28 01:07:21 heh Feb 28 01:07:42 not your fault...screen seems to take a sadistic delight in killing my IRC shell... Feb 28 01:08:25 http://www.origamiproject.com/ Feb 28 01:08:37 its absolutely content-free at the moment Feb 28 01:09:27 actually: best comparison would probably be to the Itsy Feb 28 01:09:55 something that MS is doing in-house, for fun, that might be spun off into a real commercial project, or might not Feb 28 01:14:30 yay Feb 28 01:14:48 ~lart small bus seats and people that have to lean back *all the time* Feb 28 01:14:48 * ibot stamps small bus seats and people that have to lean back *all the time* on the forehead with the official Troll marker Feb 28 01:16:40 ~lart food trays on a bus Feb 28 01:16:40 * ibot drops a humongous exploding nuke on food trays on a bus Feb 28 01:16:53 why would I need a food tray on an express commuter bus? Feb 28 01:28:16 ~lart that thing that's squeeking Feb 28 01:28:16 * ibot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking that thing that's squeeking's head off Feb 28 03:09:13 * chouimat is away: watching Dead like me Feb 28 03:20:58 minipanda, morning .. Feb 28 03:21:28 leoncamel: hey, happy hacking :-) Feb 28 03:24:36 minipanda, how about your hacking now ? Feb 28 03:56:26 * chouimat is back. Feb 28 04:33:29 is it just me, or does .oz354fam083 not even parse right? Feb 28 04:34:28 sec i just repulled i'll try it Feb 28 04:35:02 er sec i need to fix the multi heads Feb 28 04:38:17 I get a crap load of "ERROR: anonymous function: EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1) Feb 28 04:38:21 any idea? Feb 28 04:38:24 " Feb 28 04:38:35 sec it takes a min to rm -Rf tmp/ Feb 28 04:38:43 I know it.... Feb 28 04:40:29 do I need to have CVSDATE set to use this branch, I see $(CVSDATE) in most of these error lines Feb 28 04:40:44 mine is parsing fine btw Feb 28 04:40:58 do you have CVSDATE set? Feb 28 04:41:07 what distro+version are you building for? Feb 28 04:42:00 that is a good idea, I should change openzaurus to openzaurus-3.5.4 Feb 28 04:42:16 non-version distros are not supported Feb 28 04:42:26 or valid really Feb 28 04:42:33 hmm Feb 28 04:42:40 well, turns out I had it set that way anyway Feb 28 04:42:47 i did get a bunch of parse errors on the osb-* stuff Feb 28 04:43:25 emte: check out http://pastebin.com/576124 Feb 28 04:43:32 yours look like that? Feb 28 04:43:37 it doesnt liek the gcc4 "test" Feb 28 04:44:02 I'm using gcc 3 Feb 28 04:44:21 no Feb 28 04:44:39 the files its reading dont even look valid Feb 28 04:45:20 okay, I just did my first ever checkout of that branch yesterday.... Feb 28 04:45:22 your enviroment is setup wrong by the looks Feb 28 04:45:25 but I can start over I guess. Feb 28 04:45:37 my .dev has been working fine for months BTW Feb 28 04:46:15 is there a reason why your using a seperate repo for oz354fam083 ? Feb 28 04:46:29 you can combine them ... Feb 28 04:46:45 emte: is there another way? I want to be able to build from either, and I didn't know you could combine... Feb 28 04:46:52 org.openembedded.{dev,oz354fam083} Feb 28 04:47:07 I know, but then how do I build from one or the other? Feb 28 04:47:29 they do not contain the same things ... Feb 28 04:48:08 emte: yeah they do, .dev has all the updates, .oz354fam083 only has bug fixes after a certain date. Feb 28 04:48:25 no, dev is missing the distrofiles etc Feb 28 04:49:07 unless someone put them back in finally Feb 28 04:49:09 I've been using .dev for MONTHS with no problems at all, until I started trying to use .oz354fam083 that is Feb 28 04:53:59 * emte shrugges Feb 28 04:54:14 my guess is still a setup problem Feb 28 04:54:43 i am curious Feb 28 04:55:07 did you get rid of your cache before you tried bitbake opie-image ? Feb 28 04:55:45 actually nm Feb 28 04:57:01 which branch did you choose in your update? Feb 28 04:59:09 I did a seperate co for org.openembedded.oz354fam083 Feb 28 04:59:09 oh great ... Feb 28 04:59:35 monotone: help required for 3-way merge Feb 28 04:59:35 No external 3-way merge command found. Feb 28 05:00:40 hmm Feb 28 05:00:48 so how do i fix this monotone mess? Feb 28 05:02:45 emte: download a new snapshot db Feb 28 05:02:55 yeah thats what i figured :( Feb 28 05:03:04 stupid hunk of junk Feb 28 05:03:08 there are other ways, but that's the easiest. Feb 28 05:06:12 yeah i just read the killrev stuff Feb 28 05:19:30 it's not junk.... Feb 28 05:19:51 and apparently 0.26 has a better merge algorithm Feb 28 05:20:27 i thought it was a suitable description of my mangled repo Feb 28 05:20:39 that also wasn't your fault Feb 28 05:20:49 gonna download a new one in a little bit Feb 28 05:20:56 "someone" checked in some 2-week-old revisions and didn't merge.... Feb 28 05:21:02 * JustinP has no idea who Feb 28 05:21:09 oh, could you keep your old one around? Feb 28 05:21:17 just in case....njs might like a copy Feb 28 05:23:10 yeah i suppose, i tried to merge it tho on this side with the non-nslu2 option Feb 28 05:24:34 non-nslu2 option? Feb 28 05:24:39 * JustinP doesn't know what that means Feb 28 05:26:08 monotone: multiple update candidates: Feb 28 05:26:08 monotone: 50d34955185855d9c167dfd124f6f48b88b7a629 nail@nslu2-linux.org 2006-02-27T15:49:14 Feb 28 05:26:08 monotone: 601faaded8a6427e29dc8dc43433fe9be662c96c frederic@openembedded.org 2006-02-20T14:43:35 Feb 28 05:26:08 monotone: choose one with 'monotone update -r' Feb 28 05:26:08 monotone: misuse: multiple candidates remain after selection Feb 28 05:26:09 biohazard@d64-180-41-158:/backupfiles/biohazard/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev$ monotone update -r601faaded8a6427e29dc8dc43433fe9be662c96c Feb 28 05:26:26 that was an ugly paste ... Feb 28 05:28:31 ah Feb 28 05:29:00 I'm pretty sure 601fa is the thing koen decided to kill Feb 28 05:32:00 emte: nslu2-linux is not the cause of this problem Feb 28 05:32:46 never said it was, my choice was based on the fact i dont use/pull the nslu2 branch Feb 28 05:34:38 there is no nslu2 branch any more Feb 28 05:34:46 I willed it into the dev branch ;-) Feb 28 05:34:49 no? Feb 28 05:34:51 lol Feb 28 05:36:05 time for a walk Feb 28 05:36:07 brb Feb 28 06:30:45 hi, folks. Feb 28 06:31:15 I "bitbake nano", and "bitbake base-files". Feb 28 06:31:42 And I want to know, which package contains the "/dev/" files ? Feb 28 06:31:58 and How can I setup a basic rootfs ? Feb 28 06:32:02 Thanks in advance .. Feb 28 06:33:32 you can try 'bitbake bootstrap-image' Feb 28 06:36:00 victorz, thanks, I am trying now.. Feb 28 06:36:55 victorz, how can i install new package into the rootfs ? for example "nano" ? Feb 28 06:37:14 victorz: well, is that possible to split the "bitbake bootstrap-image" into more steps? Feb 28 06:37:40 victorz: e.g, 1. fetch/cvs co all the source Feb 28 06:37:58 victorz: 2. then start the build Feb 28 06:38:09 victorz: just like emerge world --fetchonly in gentoo :-) Feb 28 06:38:37 minipanda, bitbake world .. :) Feb 28 06:39:31 leoncamel: well, default 'bitbake world' will fetch the source and build one pacakge only Feb 28 06:40:02 leoncamel: so i need an option to let bitbake known that he need to fecthed all the source at frist then build them one by one Feb 28 06:40:32 minipanda, how about --dry-run ? Feb 28 06:42:19 go to the interactive mode, then type 'fetch world' Feb 28 06:42:28 i didn't try it Feb 28 06:42:32 victorz: why? Feb 28 06:42:53 victorz: 'fetchonly' only supported in interactive mode? Feb 28 06:42:56 maybe it will fetch all packages, without building them Feb 28 07:02:46 victorz, I bitbake bootstrap-image. and I got error : Feb 28 07:03:19 It seems the patching to mkfs.jffs2 failed .. Feb 28 07:18:24 hi, I thinks the cvs command in mtd/mtd-utils_20050801.bb, should add data option. Feb 28 07:19:12 data option? Feb 28 07:19:22 leoncamel: can you expand on that idea, please, i do not understand Feb 28 07:19:25 which something like : s/module=mtd/module=mtd\;date=20050801. Feb 28 07:19:36 jnc, sorry, add date option .. Feb 28 07:19:36 you mean CVSDATE ? Feb 28 07:19:39 ah, 'date' Feb 28 07:19:44 yes. Feb 28 07:19:50 it already exists Feb 28 07:19:56 yikes i was beginning to wonder where all the 'data' option are belong to us Feb 28 07:20:05 you sure your using a valid distro+version ? Feb 28 07:20:07 cause, i just bitbake bootstrap-image failed.. Feb 28 07:20:29 i am using 20060227 snapshot version. Feb 28 07:20:39 cause the monotone here can't work .. :( Feb 28 07:21:05 ok. i should sync to monotone tree now .. Feb 28 07:21:15 you stioll need a valid distrofile ... Feb 28 07:21:20 still* Feb 28 07:22:07 yes . the distrofile is cvs checkouting .. Feb 28 07:22:33 then CVS DATE should be set Feb 28 07:22:38 CVSDATE* Feb 28 07:22:53 ok. Feb 28 07:46:52 hi, folks. I just bitbake nano, and glibc. and bitbake output the "tmp/deploy/ipk/*.ipk". Feb 28 07:47:19 how can I install it into "tmp/rootfs" ? Feb 28 07:48:46 and here is another is question while I am doing monotone pull: Feb 28 07:49:06 monotone: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused Feb 28 07:49:13 what's wrong ? Feb 28 07:49:27 leoncamel, sometime happen ... Feb 28 07:50:08 gremlin[it]work, how can i deal with it ? retry ? Feb 28 07:50:58 yes just try to retry ... Feb 28 07:51:29 But, why not "git" ? Feb 28 07:52:41 it it a very good SCM tools, which is widely used now .. Feb 28 07:52:44 i'm not involved in such questions ... but they talk a lot about change CMS ... Feb 28 07:53:29 and seem they are doing some test on a new one (or maybe more than one) Feb 28 07:54:43 leoncamel: Why not git: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GitScmTrial <-- look at the end of the page Feb 28 07:58:02 NAiL, thanks .. :) Feb 28 08:03:36 NAiL, is it synced with monotone ? Feb 28 08:03:54 dunno Feb 28 08:04:59 leoncamel: well, why not just pick a lastest stable snapshot OE.db as your baseline and then try monotone to help you sync with the head? Feb 28 08:05:32 leoncamel, the monotone is always "Connection refuse" .. Feb 28 08:06:26 leoncamel: then just use a stable snapshot Feb 28 08:06:55 minipanda, I did. Feb 28 08:07:07 leoncamel: anyway, you're not fixing the issues for OE, but just use the build enviroment of OE Feb 28 08:07:23 minipanda, but the snapshot's mtd is buggy.. Feb 28 08:07:46 leoncamel: then try rollback to another snapshot Feb 28 08:08:09 leoncamel: sooner or later you will find it Feb 28 08:08:41 leoncamel: or you will patch your own mtd-blah.bb for a workaround Feb 28 08:10:40 hrm. Feb 28 08:10:49 Is anyone working on 2.6 for collie or poodle? Feb 28 08:13:46 df00z: well, have you try asked in #openzaurus yet? Feb 28 08:13:48 leoncamel: it sounds like you are just trying to connect to a host that is not running a server... what server are you connecting to? Feb 28 08:13:59 df00z: and how about this http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lenz/zaurus/ Feb 28 08:14:11 it's been that way for a while Feb 28 08:14:17 Im thinking they maybe gave up Feb 28 08:14:32 I saw a post on the OZ website, asking for PDA donations/beta testing Feb 28 08:14:55 brb Feb 28 08:14:57 df00z: well, collie already too old ... Feb 28 08:15:16 df00z: seems no more active porting for running 2.6 kernel on an strongarm device anymore Feb 28 08:15:18 leoncamel: try running 'monotone pull monotone.vanille.de', maybe Feb 28 08:15:40 leoncamel: and if that works, you can run it again as 'monotone pull monotone.vanilla.de --set-default' so you don't have to specify it in the future Feb 28 08:16:55 njs, good, thanks. it seems synchronizing now .. :) Feb 28 08:18:00 good morning all Feb 28 08:18:08 leoncamel: cool :-) Feb 28 08:20:15 njs: did you see how huge that merge was? Feb 28 08:21:01 koen: hi... btw, congrats for the presentation at FOSDEM, that was nice Feb 28 08:21:34 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rbf751c69... 10/packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel/2.6.16/defconfig: Feb 28 08:21:34 ixp4xx defconfig: added CONFIG_VIDEO_DECODER=m Feb 28 08:21:34 needed to get kernel-module-saa7115 which in turn is needed for pvrusb2-mci Feb 28 08:21:38 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r1b40358f... 10/conf/distro/slugos-packages.conf: slugos packages: added spca5xx and btsco Feb 28 08:23:48 <[lala]> morning :) Feb 28 08:23:51 <[lala]> RP: around? Feb 28 08:24:04 Morning all Feb 28 08:24:10 koen: not yet, been profiling initial pull with different storage backends :-) Feb 28 08:24:33 koen: going to sleep now, have a rosterify running on the bad db so I can try 0.25 vs. 0.26 tomorrow... Feb 28 08:25:38 ah, cool Feb 28 08:26:59 <[lala]> hi koen Feb 28 08:27:00 just wanted to say I loved meeting you all at Fosdem, nice to put a face on all those nicks. Feb 28 08:27:19 hey [lala] & toi Feb 28 08:27:50 Hi koen, btw, nice pictures! Feb 28 08:28:00 <[lala]> koen: on your talk you mentioned that it would be possible to build other pkg formats including deb pkgs. how i would actually do that? Feb 28 08:29:49 [lala]: in conf/distro/.conf there a line like this: Feb 28 08:29:50 INHERIT += " package_ipk debian" Feb 28 08:30:23 minipanda: yeah :( its so sad Feb 28 08:30:30 change that to package_rpm or package_tar Feb 28 08:30:50 <[lala]> koen: yes, but how would i get actually a dep-pkg? Feb 28 08:30:55 df00z: so why you need a kernel 2.6 on your sl5x00? Feb 28 08:31:02 minipanda: kernel bugs Feb 28 08:31:15 stuff like LUFS and other things...you know...start to rely on stuff 2.6 provides Feb 28 08:31:22 [lala]: mv foo.ipkg foo.deb would be the easiest way Feb 28 08:31:34 <[lala]> oh Feb 28 08:31:36 [lala]: I just notice that we actually don't have a package_deb Feb 28 08:31:40 * koen wonders why Feb 28 08:31:51 <[lala]> are they really the same? Feb 28 08:32:02 they should be Feb 28 08:32:24 'compatible enough' Feb 28 08:32:30 <[lala]> good to know that. i wasn't aware of that Feb 28 08:33:16 <[lala]> i was just searching for that package_deb class but couldn't find it either. that's why i was asking :-) Feb 28 08:40:24 'eliability can be further enhanced by configuring a RAID array, using the TS-7300's second hot-swappable SD card slot. ' Feb 28 08:40:28 eeeew Feb 28 08:40:30 raid using sd cards Feb 28 08:43:35 hi, folks. Feb 28 08:43:59 the psmisc-21.8 package seems broken .. Feb 28 08:44:46 I just wget the psmic-21.8.tar.gz. and it always Connection reset By peer.. :( Feb 28 08:53:47 morning Feb 28 08:57:42 "bitbake bootstrap-image" during wget psmisc-21.8.tar.gz. Feb 28 08:58:32 koen: fallout from merge of hell all caught then? Feb 28 08:58:34 it report "Connection reset By peer" .. :( Feb 28 08:58:39 where is wrong ? Feb 28 08:59:22 and i can't download psmisc-21.8 from http://www.oesources.org/source/current/ Feb 28 09:00:09 XorA: looks like it Feb 28 09:00:42 I can't download psmisc-20.2 from http://www.oesources.org/source/current/ Feb 28 09:00:50 s/can't/can Feb 28 09:02:16 koen: wasnt me that broke it was it? Feb 28 09:03:03 XorA: nope Feb 28 09:03:25 * XorA phews, some OE people know where I work :-) Feb 28 09:07:40 morning all Feb 28 09:08:46 morning Feb 28 09:08:51 hey Marcin Feb 28 09:09:19 lrg: is your fosdem presentation available somewhere? Feb 28 09:10:16 hrw|work: not quite yet, I need to clean up an image or 2 (some last minute changes I made). Feb 28 09:10:48 ok Feb 28 09:18:51 hey lrg & hrw|work Feb 28 09:20:45 hey Koen Feb 28 09:21:04 hi koen Feb 28 09:21:10 koen: is your fosdem presentation available somewhere? Feb 28 09:22:24 hrw|work: yes: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/talks/ Feb 28 09:25:25 thx Feb 28 09:26:11 http://free-electrons.com/articles/optimizations/en is also quite nice Feb 28 09:26:19 morning all Feb 28 09:26:28 morning Richard Feb 28 09:26:42 hey RP Feb 28 09:26:54 brb Feb 28 09:27:07 hi RP Feb 28 09:28:23 [lala]: I am now Feb 28 09:29:12 monotone: 1.6 M | 208.4 k | 1198 | 272 | 109 Feb 28 09:29:17 * koen gets some coffee Feb 28 09:31:30 ~lart paypal for sucking and not supporting Poland Feb 28 09:31:30 * ibot wallops paypal with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for sucking and not supporting Poland Feb 28 09:36:21 koen: download the lastest snapshot and then sync up again, best bet ? Feb 28 09:36:45 ade|desk: the killrev script does pretty much the same and is faster Feb 28 09:36:59 righty ho Feb 28 09:38:08 so we got fscked database again? Feb 28 09:38:24 hrw|work: not fscked, just the merge from hell Feb 28 09:39:15 if you pulled between GMT 09.00 and 18.00 yesterday you would get a multiple headcase from hell Feb 28 09:39:24 XorA: If I need to do something more then pull/merge/update/push then it is. Feb 28 09:39:32 koen: I did not - uff. Feb 28 09:39:39 instead of spending hours with meld we killed off the revisions Feb 28 09:40:09 koen: was that someone holding onto a committed change for days? Feb 28 09:40:17 koen: before pushing? Feb 28 09:40:42 re Feb 28 09:41:43 XorA: no someone who did a merge everyday, one commit and a disapprove of that commit and a merge after that and finally commiting all that after 2 weeks Feb 28 09:42:03 erp Feb 28 09:42:08 so in essence nothing changed in the repo Feb 28 09:42:20 that's why I killed of the revisions Feb 28 09:42:23 monotone: 1,2 M | 167,5 k | 787 | 178 | 0 Feb 28 09:42:25 but monotone saw two weeks of competing changes Feb 28 09:43:01 XorA: no changes, just merges Feb 28 09:43:57 XorA: pushing a few weeks old commit is not bad, since you'd just merge the two head revs Feb 28 09:44:38 koen: I must say for my own sanity, I lick to pull->commit->sync->merge->sync as quickly as possible Feb 28 09:47:56 koen: nice FOSDEM talk :-) (but http://www.nslu2-linux.org.org ?) Feb 28 09:48:10 ~lart debian for switching my machine to utf8 Feb 28 09:48:10 * ibot whacks debian with the cluebat for switching my machine to utf8 Feb 28 09:52:41 rwhitby: ok fixed that Feb 28 09:53:08 koen: have you seen my nslu2-linux presentation? Feb 28 09:53:14 rwhitby: not yet Feb 28 09:53:36 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/presentation.pdf Feb 28 09:54:01 I did see Lennerts ixp2800 yesterday Feb 28 09:54:46 I can't wait till linksys puts that into the nslu3 ;) Feb 28 09:55:04 XorA: Better to pull->possiblymerge->update->commit->sync. That way you don't create a local head. Feb 28 09:55:07 koen: I gave that presentation at a local linux user's group meeting, and got an email from Google the next day asking for my resume. Feb 28 09:55:36 heh Feb 28 09:55:38 Unfortunately, they didn't have any jobs in Adelaide. Feb 28 09:55:49 rwhitby: They're hiring in Trondheim. Just move here ;-) Feb 28 09:57:50 Anyone got an idea why my kernel version somehow disappears? Feb 28 09:57:51 Uncompressing Linux......................................................................... done, booting the kernel. Feb 28 09:57:54 Linux version (repvik@Ximinez) (gcc version 3.4.4) #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 28 09:33:52 CET 2006 Feb 28 09:58:52 The kernel is 2.6.16-rc5. It was broken in -rc4 too :-\ Feb 28 09:59:11 <_stalker_> hi all Feb 28 09:59:22 <_stalker_> i have an ipaq 2110 and try to build opie image Feb 28 09:59:33 <_stalker_> but the build fails at hostap package Feb 28 09:59:52 <_stalker_> but as far as I know, this package deals with wifi stuff, doesn't it? Feb 28 10:00:00 <_stalker_> and i have no wifi device on the handle Feb 28 10:00:26 <_stalker_> how can I avoid this dependency resolution within opie build? Feb 28 10:00:40 <_law_> koen could you please say me what i have to do? to update my monotone key? Feb 28 10:00:49 <_law_> cant find the mail :-( Feb 28 10:01:25 _law_: wget http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/killrevs Feb 28 10:01:25 for i in `cat killrevs` ; do monotone --db=../monotone/nslu2-linux.db \ Feb 28 10:01:26 db kill_rev_locally $i ; done Feb 28 10:01:33 replace the db file with OE.db Feb 28 10:02:49 (with the correct path, obviously) Feb 28 10:07:08 ~lart libtool Feb 28 10:07:09 * ibot crushes libtool with a full height scsi disk Feb 28 10:07:42 ooh Feb 28 10:07:50 I've got one of those. It's freaking heavy Feb 28 10:08:04 well, not scsi actually... mfm-rll Feb 28 10:14:22 * XorA must be approaching a tmp clean time, things are going wierd again Feb 28 10:14:24 <_law_> NAiL, http://pastebin.com/576370 can i commit now again? Feb 28 10:14:51 what heads do you have? Feb 28 10:17:05 <_law_> NAiL, latest i think Feb 28 10:17:38 do a monotone heads Feb 28 10:17:53 Just to see if you still have the b0rked head Feb 28 10:19:05 <_law_> NAiL, http://pastebin.com/576379 Feb 28 10:19:27 good Feb 28 10:19:34 your repo is fixed Feb 28 10:19:41 Unfortunately, I can't re-add your key Feb 28 10:20:03 <_law_> NAiL, would be nice, anythink i have todo? Feb 28 10:20:17 <_law_> s/anythink/anything Feb 28 10:20:34 no, you don't have to do anything. To be able to commit you'd need koen (or somebody) to enable your key Feb 28 10:20:56 you can pull and update without any merges now Feb 28 10:21:55 <_law_> koen, could you enable my key again? Feb 28 10:22:46 rwhitby: nice presentation Feb 28 10:24:28 _law_: sure Feb 28 10:25:12 _law_: law@oe, right? Feb 28 10:25:56 <_law_> koen, mail? Feb 28 10:26:08 no, keyname Feb 28 10:26:37 _law_: it's activated on vanille Feb 28 10:26:41 <_law_> koen, yes law@openembedded.org Feb 28 10:26:58 <_law_> but i think mail doesnt exist, is this a problem? Feb 28 10:27:20 _law_: it isn't Feb 28 10:27:35 <_law_> koen, is there an commit howto anywhere? i dont wana break something :-) Feb 28 10:28:44 _law_: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/MonotonePhraseBook Feb 28 10:29:27 howdy people Feb 28 10:30:14 <_law_> koen, i?ll try my best later :-) Feb 28 10:30:25 hey mithro Feb 28 10:30:26 <_law_> koen, tinymail update Feb 28 10:30:30 mithro: back in oz? Feb 28 10:30:38 nope in Rome Feb 28 10:30:40 _law_: no ekiga? Feb 28 10:30:44 fly out of Rome on the 5th of March Feb 28 10:30:55 <_law_> koen, :-) Feb 28 10:31:24 <_law_> koen, doesnt compile :-( Feb 28 10:31:40 _law_: ekiga, pwlib or opal? Feb 28 10:31:50 <_law_> koen, pwlib Feb 28 10:40:45 morning Feb 28 10:43:15 brb Feb 28 10:43:15 hey greentux Feb 28 10:43:52 nice to have faces now for the nick names :) Feb 28 10:44:19 I tried to make hackergotchis out of them, but my gimp skills are too weak Feb 28 10:47:23 I just did 'monotone update' without the prebreakage thing, and now the script I used to export variables and execute bitbake complains about bitbake.conf not being found, has anything else changed? Feb 28 10:49:31 <[lala]> does anyone know how i get files on my cf card available under documents or other apps in opie? Feb 28 10:51:57 re Feb 28 10:52:33 [lala]: remove .opie*storage* from / of cf card and reinsert Feb 28 10:53:20 ~lart libtool and gnome Feb 28 10:53:20 * ibot farts in libtool and gnome's general direction Feb 28 10:54:38 <[lala]> hrw: what does that .opiestorage file do exactly? Feb 28 10:55:27 [lala]: do not remember now - store few options which opie use Feb 28 10:55:51 <[lala]> hrw: there pops up a new dialog after reinsertion Feb 28 10:55:55 <[lala]> i see Feb 28 10:56:27 ~lart paypal again Feb 28 10:56:27 * ibot declares paypal again a moron Feb 28 10:56:28 <[lala]> but who triggers that dialog coming up? Feb 28 10:56:31 XorA: didn't I patch libtool to handle gnome stuff? Feb 28 10:56:42 [lala]: card insert + lack of .opie*storage* file Feb 28 10:56:55 <[lala]> i would want the same with, say with loop mounted files Feb 28 10:57:03 koen: its that fact that .la files point into tmp/work/* Feb 28 10:57:17 <[lala]> how do i get that dialog popping up in that case? Feb 28 10:57:33 [lala]: you probably need zecke or mickeyl for this - I do not know Feb 28 10:58:07 <[lala]> zecke or mickeyl: any comment on that? :-) Feb 28 10:58:41 :e includes/site_functions.inc Feb 28 10:58:42 ops Feb 28 10:59:19 hi all Feb 28 10:59:22 lrg: are you there? Feb 28 10:59:32 hey pb__ Feb 28 10:59:46 hello :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 28 10:59:56 2006