**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 18 10:59:56 2006 Mar 18 11:23:00 morning Mar 18 11:23:09 RP: are you here? Mar 18 11:36:32 re Mar 18 11:37:05 ~lart hh.org from breaking mailinglists *again* Mar 18 11:37:05 * ibot does a little 'renice 20 -u hh.org from breaking mailinglists *again*' Mar 18 11:37:38 hi koen Mar 18 11:37:46 hey hrw Mar 18 11:38:13 I'm thinking how to hack tosa opie-image to replace two pictures inside.. Mar 18 11:38:41 runtime check? Mar 18 11:38:56 mickeyl created 480x640 pictures for tosa but they are not in images Mar 18 11:39:12 hi zecke Mar 18 11:39:16 hey zecke Mar 18 11:39:21 hey Mar 18 11:39:46 but 1st I want to write kind of press release of oz 3.5.4 Mar 18 11:40:10 zecke: cp -a is a gnuism, right? Mar 18 11:41:52 koen: afaik yes Mar 18 11:42:30 yes Mar 18 11:55:19 bleh Mar 18 11:55:26 argh... my router decided to not forward some ports Mar 18 11:55:32 * koen builds glibc for the 6th time today Mar 18 11:56:45 hmm.. Mar 18 11:56:50 2006-03-04 Saturday 18:05 tag v1_2_1 Mar 18 11:56:50 2006-03-04 Saturday 18:05 mickeyl Mar 18 11:56:57 opie changelog Mar 18 11:58:12 busy, busy Mar 18 11:58:53 hrw: I am now Mar 18 11:59:20 RP: how much work is needed to get 3.5.4.1 in release? Mar 18 11:59:43 hrw: I don't think it should be that much work Mar 18 12:00:13 hrw: 3.5.4 is ready for release? Mar 18 12:00:30 RP: during week I will branch .oz354fam083 into .oz354x so we will start work on it Mar 18 12:00:41 RP: yes - all ready - writing press release now Mar 18 12:01:14 hrw: Ok, once you branch, I'll have a go a merging the bits of .dev we need Mar 18 12:01:29 ok Mar 18 12:01:35 Hopefully my life will be a bit less hectic for a while :) Mar 18 12:01:49 ;) Mar 18 12:02:34 http://pastebin.com/608891 - note for openzaurus.org (based on 3.5.3 note) Mar 18 12:02:46 good day Mar 18 12:02:55 hey Cockroach- Mar 18 12:03:14 oh my, haven't read the mailing lists for a while... Mar 18 12:03:29 http://pastebin.com/608892 rather Mar 18 12:03:36 added info about SDK Mar 18 12:04:31 Looks good :) Mar 18 12:04:55 I can't wait to get started on 3.5.4.1 as that should really put us on the map Mar 18 12:05:33 hrw: http://pastebin.com/608894 Mar 18 12:05:55 3.5.3/3.5.4 and? Mar 18 12:06:08 language fixes Mar 18 12:06:13 http://pastebin.com/608895 Mar 18 12:06:59 I hope my fixes are actually correct :) Mar 18 12:07:53 ~lart english times Mar 18 12:07:53 * ibot squishes english times like a bug Mar 18 12:08:04 we decided<> we have decided etc... Mar 18 12:09:16 glibc build #7 Mar 18 12:09:24 s/reputation before some/reputation when some/ Mar 18 12:09:50 thx Mar 18 12:11:25 * koen wonders Mar 18 12:11:55 if we would distribute sd/cf images, would shipping a ~8mb swapfile in it make sense? Mar 18 12:12:02 no Mar 18 12:12:27 or... hm. you want to use extra swapfile for oom? Mar 18 12:12:44 and to swap out tmpfs bits Mar 18 12:13:35 koen: GPE needs swap? Mar 18 12:13:48 zecke: on 32mb machine, yes Mar 18 12:13:58 koen: ouch Mar 18 12:14:03 indeed Mar 18 12:14:18 if you want to use apps like abiword, that is Mar 18 12:14:20 GPE needs to improve for OLPC Mar 18 12:14:32 pim & stuff works with 32mb Mar 18 12:14:44 didn't olpc get 256mb ram? Mar 18 12:15:11 and use some custom redhat gui? Mar 18 12:16:01 OT: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-December/msg00583.html Mar 18 12:16:10 koen: RedHat is doing something... Mar 18 12:16:51 CMy appologies if I'm asking about something which has been already fixed, or if I'm trying something which is not expected to be done. meta-sdk.bb has some hard coded paths inside do_populate_sdk() which work as long as you are building the target on arm architecture ('rm ${SDK_OUTPUT}/${prefix}/arm-linux/lib/*.la' for example). Mar 18 12:17:17 ouch Mar 18 12:17:22 I did tune my local .bb so that I can build to x86 arch and get the populate stage going Mar 18 12:17:28 but just wondering. Mar 18 12:17:41 Cockroach-: that is a bug Mar 18 12:17:47 hmm bitdoc html need rewriting Mar 18 12:18:15 hrw: sure, do you have a vision? Mar 18 12:18:40 zecke: had once but then I looked at python code and resigned Mar 18 12:18:53 hehe Mar 18 12:19:03 hrw: if you feel like, create a HTML template Mar 18 12:19:10 ok Mar 18 12:19:16 the text should linewrap Mar 18 12:19:25 * hrw discovered new type of blogspam - jokes Mar 18 12:19:45 koen: yes, that was fixed 10 hours ago Mar 18 12:19:58 koen: well 'fixed' due my lack of HTML knowledge Mar 18 12:20:29 * koen svn up Mar 18 12:20:44 zecke: Ok. I'm such a novice on monotone and since pulling takes so long time, what would be the fastest way to check if there is a newer version of a certain file available, than what is in my working copy? Mar 18 12:21:01 Cockroach-: web? Mar 18 12:21:19 Cockroach-: but it is unlikely to have been fixed Mar 18 12:21:29 zecke: http://pastebin.com/608914 Mar 18 12:21:32 zecke: I couldn't remember if there was a www monotone repository browser Mar 18 12:21:44 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/branch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.dev Mar 18 12:21:59 Thanks Mar 18 12:22:32 koen: do you have python2.3 or python2.4? Mar 18 12:22:49 2.4 iirc Mar 18 12:23:05 Python 2.3.5 (#2, Mar 6 2006, 10:12:24) Mar 18 12:25:10 koen: hmm :( Mar 18 12:26:36 koen: hmm change the cmp to cmpfunc Mar 18 12:29:15 mickey|bbl: ping :) Mar 18 12:29:56 File "/data/build/oe/bitbake/bin/bitdoc", line 225, in createGroupSite Mar 18 12:29:56 items.sort(cmpfunc=lambda x,y:cmpfunc(x.name(),y.name())) Mar 18 12:29:56 TypeError: sort() takes no keyword arguments Mar 18 12:31:07 http://pastebin.com/608928 Mar 18 12:31:31 RP: do you have an idea how to support SL-7500? Its Chinese version of c750 and have other keyboard (marks) layout Mar 18 12:31:48 RP: http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/pda/pingce/pocketpc/0401/pic/040118_sharpz1_small010.jpg Mar 18 12:32:00 koen: remove the cmpfunc= Mar 18 12:33:13 items.sort(lambda x,y:cmpfunc(x.name(),y.name())) Mar 18 12:33:13 NameError: global name 'cmpfunc' is not defined Mar 18 12:33:16 11954 packages.. Mar 18 12:33:23 hrw, :) I am a Chinese .. Mar 18 12:33:45 koen: try again please Mar 18 12:34:12 zecke: it works! Mar 18 12:34:15 zecke: thanks Mar 18 12:34:43 leira: hi Mar 18 12:34:50 RP: leira has sl-7500 Mar 18 12:34:54 :) hi Mar 18 12:35:16 has 3.5.4 released Mar 18 12:35:18 ? Mar 18 12:36:14 zecke: keyGROUP_dependencies.html should list DEPENDS, PROVIDES and RDEPENDS in 'Related Keys', right? Mar 18 12:36:27 we got >12000 packages ;D Mar 18 12:36:37 12002 after adding some qpf fonts Mar 18 12:36:49 zecke: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/d/keyGROUP_dependencies.html Mar 18 12:36:55 koen: geyGROUP_* should not be visible Mar 18 12:37:04 koen: it is a way to insert a synopsis :) Mar 18 12:37:07 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/d/all_keys.html Mar 18 12:37:51 koen: I was too tired in fixing it yesterday Mar 18 12:38:01 zecke: I sent a request to oe@ to enhance documentation.conf Mar 18 12:38:12 zecke: but as usual hh.org is broken Mar 18 12:38:24 koen: I got that mail Mar 18 12:38:38 koen: I got it as well Mar 18 12:38:57 and while I'm saying this it enters my inbox as well Mar 18 12:40:35 NOTE: package glibc-intermediate-2.4-r2: task do_populate_staging: started Mar 18 12:40:39 * koen crosses fingers Mar 18 12:41:21 I did one nice 'mv' Mar 18 12:42:00 * koen spots a http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/ Mar 18 12:42:11 leira: how much is a SL-7500? Mar 18 12:42:21 zecke: its c750 Mar 18 12:42:44 but with a different keyboard, right? Mar 18 12:42:52 bit Mar 18 12:44:36 RP: are you waiting for 2.6.16 to be released to update linux-oz in .dev? Mar 18 13:07:29 glibc build #9 Mar 18 13:07:56 this would have been soooo much easier is glibc 2.4 hadn't been pushed Mar 18 13:09:06 koen HI ! Mar 18 13:09:11 hey gremlin[it] Mar 18 13:09:25 koen have u any clue for my problem with glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r3 ? Mar 18 13:09:28 koen: Toolchain engineer jnc pushed it? Mar 18 13:09:35 zecke: yes Mar 18 13:09:44 gremlin[it]: you need an older version of binutils Mar 18 13:09:56 gremlin[it]: or upgrade to a newer glibc+gcc ;) Mar 18 13:10:22 i just use familiar-unstable ;( ... Mar 18 13:10:34 and unstable is what you get ;) Mar 18 13:11:11 hem ... ok unstable but at least buildable ... specially after a week :) Mar 18 13:13:50 zecke: i cost me 2100 RMB, and it is about $500 Mar 18 13:13:58 zecke: it cost me 2100 RMB, and it is about $500 Mar 18 13:15:48 Thank you for using Linux PR! Mar 18 13:16:29 * koen taps foot Mar 18 13:16:34 stupid glibc staging Mar 18 13:18:55 NOTE: package glibc-intermediate-2.4-r2: task do_populate_staging: completed Mar 18 13:19:23 http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/03/18/openzaurus-354-released/ Mar 18 13:19:26 one part of the problem solved Mar 18 13:20:05 isn't 3.5.4 the fifth release? Mar 18 13:20:18 3.5.0 -> 3.5.1 -> 3.5.2 - > 3.5.3 -> 3.5.4 Mar 18 13:21:11 3.5.1 was first Mar 18 13:21:16 ah, ok Mar 18 13:21:36 I called first OE images oz 3.5.0 Mar 18 13:21:45 time to assist mickeyl with his new news letter Mar 18 13:23:01 koen: Linux ate my HFS+ partition :} Mar 18 13:24:00 hx4700 officially ended :( Mar 18 13:25:08 ** The volume HDD2GO_MACO could not be repaired. Mar 18 13:25:20 zecke: koen told me that you can tell me how to use a other outside builded toolchain in OE ? Mar 18 13:25:42 grma: did he? Mar 18 13:25:49 grma: use ASSUME_PROVIDED? Mar 18 13:26:11 and how ? Mar 18 13:26:15 grma: and create a package for your base filesystem and force installing Mar 18 13:26:38 grma: write ASSUME_PROVIDED = "what-you-have" into a file that is read by bitbake Mar 18 13:27:10 grma: how can I repair my HFS+ volume? Mar 18 13:27:27 ok i will try ... Mar 18 13:27:35 HFS+ volume ? Mar 18 13:27:47 grma: how can I repair that? Mar 18 13:28:06 hrw: could you write a bit about 3.5.4(.x) for the newsletter? Mar 18 13:28:13 never used mac os :-) Mar 18 13:34:39 sure Mar 18 13:36:48 gaaaah Mar 18 13:36:54 glibc build #10 Mar 18 13:38:16 ok. submitted to linuxpr.com, newsforge.com, linuxnews.pl, 7thguard.net Mar 18 13:40:17 linuxdevices? Mar 18 13:40:52 yep Mar 18 13:41:01 gootd place Mar 18 13:41:29 "Submitter company"... Mar 18 13:41:33 OpenEmbedded? :) Mar 18 13:44:27 news ID is NS3619387553 Mar 18 14:00:16 glibc build #11 Mar 18 14:00:37 koen: where is your make-image-from-feed atch? Mar 18 14:01:07 hrw: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/build-image-from-feeds.diff Mar 18 14:01:51 there are E17 images to build.. Mar 18 14:20:36 grma: okay, I can't recover from my data loss Mar 18 14:20:48 grma: how far are you with your toolchain integration? Mar 18 14:26:58 zecke: far i thougth it was easier :-) Mar 18 14:27:38 i still wnat to finish opie image with your toolchains, and then change to my toolchain Mar 18 14:28:16 grma: good plan, basicly you want to use your virtual/arm-linux-gcc and your virtual/arm-linux-libc Mar 18 14:28:25 grma: assuming you are building for arm and linux Mar 18 14:28:43 yup Mar 18 14:29:09 grma: then you only need to have arm-linux-gcc/g++ in your path Mar 18 14:30:14 grma: now if you do a rootfs, you will end up without libc.so.. and libgcc_*.* installed Mar 18 14:30:26 well so easy ? is it allowed to symlink to arm-linux-gcc, because my toolchain has a different name, but toolchain and symlinks are always problems :-) Mar 18 14:31:32 grma: it should be so easy :) Mar 18 14:31:50 grma: anyway it is a good idea to keep a list of packages it build :) Mar 18 14:32:28 ok i will try... Mar 18 14:32:51 when opei image is finished. also have to test the images on the hardware first :-) Mar 18 14:33:02 yes Mar 18 14:33:37 zecke: where are you from ? Mar 18 14:34:37 grma: Solar System->Planet Earth->Europe->Germany->Berlin Mar 18 14:35:04 :-) Mar 18 14:36:17 Berlin->West Berlin? Mar 18 14:37:09 hrw: I try to get past that split :) Mar 18 14:37:19 hrw: wogline: Berlin->East Berlin Mar 18 14:37:25 hrw: zecke: Berlin->West Berlin Mar 18 14:39:03 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/03/18/openzaurus-354-released/ Mar 18 14:41:36 ~lart symlinks Mar 18 14:41:36 * ibot beats symlinks over the head with a microkernel Mar 18 14:44:21 koen: wow, turnup is working wonderfully Mar 18 14:45:40 zecke: congrats Mar 18 14:46:22 removed test images for !cxx00 Mar 18 14:46:57 now building e17 images for all machines Mar 18 14:47:29 koen: we need to speak with nslu2 guys to rename openslug-native to sdk-native Mar 18 14:48:22 hrw: indeed Mar 18 14:48:33 NAiL: what do you thing about that? Mar 18 14:51:08 it is funny when I will say to OZ devusers: ipkg install openslug-natve Mar 18 14:55:18 hey pH5 Mar 18 14:55:25 hey koen Mar 18 14:55:34 any news on the EABI front? Mar 18 14:55:54 pH5: yes: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/eabi/glibc-2.4.diff Mar 18 14:58:34 oops, that's the old version Mar 18 14:58:44 * koen fixes Mar 18 14:59:40 hi ph5 Mar 18 15:00:08 koen: oh-ah, nice. I only hope those headers are not secretly broken :) Mar 18 15:00:16 hi pb_! Mar 18 15:01:14 pH5: and I'm secretly hoping that the regular linux-libc-headers were causing the socket() problem Mar 18 15:07:20 koen: so you think this might be a glibc problem and not kernel related at all? I'm going to try Erik's 2.6.16-rc6 patch next. Mar 18 15:08:21 pH5: I hope this will fix it..... Mar 18 15:08:46 koen: hmm... I goess that's not a problem Mar 18 15:08:53 s/oess/uess/ Mar 18 15:09:18 ur something like build-essentials? ;) Mar 18 15:09:38 :) Mar 18 15:10:12 * NAiL can't type at all today Mar 18 15:10:13 got flu Mar 18 15:10:35 NAiL: get well soon Mar 18 15:10:42 I'm trying ;) Mar 18 15:12:36 hi Mar 18 15:13:18 hi Bernardo Mar 18 15:13:48 hi anybody know where the multi heads are coming from..? Mar 18 15:14:03 .oz branch Mar 18 15:15:58 again? Mar 18 15:16:34 fsck. Mar 18 15:16:46 Harvy: will fix Mar 18 15:17:20 cheers Mar 18 15:18:50 aargh Mar 18 15:19:05 include/linux/asm-arm != include/asm-arm Mar 18 15:23:44 Harvy: merged Mar 18 15:23:53 cheers Mar 18 15:27:00 cu Mar 18 15:38:17 afternoon Mar 18 15:38:30 hi reenoo Mar 18 15:40:30 koen: Yes, I guess 2.6.16 will be my next kernel update. I've been testing the -rcs so it should work well Mar 18 15:40:44 hey pH5 Mar 18 15:41:11 hrw|gone: If the sl-7500 is so similar to the c750, we should just ship an alternate keymap for them to install Mar 18 15:41:27 The kernel should just work Mar 18 15:44:05 pH5: we have a automagically working EABI toolchain now :) Mar 18 15:44:13 (at least on my build machine) Mar 18 15:44:48 koen: what happened to your glibc 2.4 missing files problem? Mar 18 15:45:10 pH5: that happens only on my buildmachine at home Mar 18 15:45:45 koen: oh. I guess that's good news then :) Mar 18 15:46:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra74683cc... 10/packages/glibc/ (glibc-intermediate_2.4.bb glibc_2.4.bb): Mar 18 15:46:41 glibc,glibc-intermediate 2.4: fixups for EABI build: Mar 18 15:46:43 * Stage the eabi kernel headers to fix problems with gcc-cross Mar 18 15:46:45 * don't depend on linux-libc-headers since we use our own headers now Mar 18 15:47:27 pH5: when I've got some time I'd like to remove the kernel headers from the glibc build back to linux-libc-headers Mar 18 15:47:48 pH5: or build the kernel before gcc-cross Mar 18 15:49:52 koen: do you know why they were put into glibc in the first place? Mar 18 15:50:20 I guess convenience Mar 18 15:50:59 stuff like this is why I don't like people pushing unfinished stuff Mar 18 16:03:11 pH5: so all we need to do now is to wait for more EABI capable kernel to enter OE Mar 18 16:03:29 kernels* Mar 18 16:03:38 koen: Would you like 2.6.15-rc6 for the Zaurus now? Mar 18 16:04:05 koen: I'm just trying to fix up the kernel build for hx4700. Mar 18 16:05:17 We should aim for mainline inclusion of hx4700 support... Mar 18 16:05:31 and h2200 Mar 18 16:06:01 RP: Let's wait for 2.6.16 Mar 18 16:06:09 and I guess hx2750 :) Mar 18 16:06:11 koen: ok Mar 18 16:06:29 the hx2750 would be a nice toy Mar 18 16:06:36 with it's 128mb ram Mar 18 16:06:43 its* Mar 18 16:06:50 yes, that is nice. Shame about the keyboard :-/ Mar 18 16:06:59 and the bootloader issues Mar 18 16:14:33 hi Mar 18 16:14:34 koen: just a quick shot at putting the kernel headers back into their own package http://en.pastebin.ca/46131 , no idea if this works (yet) Mar 18 16:14:37 hi CoreDump|home Mar 18 16:15:40 pH5: + ln -s asm-${TARGET_ARCH} ${STAGING_INCDIR}/asm Mar 18 16:15:47 shouldn't that be in llh.bb? Mar 18 16:16:11 koen: you're totally right Mar 18 16:17:12 pH5: and probably keep the DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" in glibc for the time being Mar 18 16:17:53 other that that it looks pretty good Mar 18 16:18:19 and the llh dep needs to get added back :) Mar 18 16:20:09 koen: could you tar up the 3.5.4 directory? Makes copying it to hentges.net easier =) Mar 18 16:21:35 * koen starts tarring Mar 18 16:21:46 thank you Mar 18 16:22:02 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/oz354.tar.bz2 (in a few minutes) Mar 18 16:33:51 CoreDump|home: new hentges images on the way for the akita? :) Mar 18 16:34:05 not yet ;) Mar 18 16:36:41 the apm problems are fixed? Mar 18 16:36:58 on akita w/ 2.6 pretty much Mar 18 16:37:26 I have to switch to 2.6... has it been branched from 2.4 already? Mar 18 16:39:03 I mean from oz354 branhc Mar 18 16:39:06 branch Mar 18 16:39:17 (seems like the coffee isn't making any effect) Mar 18 16:39:18 not that I knew of Mar 18 16:48:47 hrm Mar 18 16:48:51 gcc-cross-sdk_4.1.0.bb still doesn't work Mar 18 16:49:39 koen: fix it! ;) Mar 18 16:50:26 | /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: crti.o: No such file: No such file or directory Mar 18 16:50:54 after fixing that it enters a zone where I can't even understand what the errors are Mar 18 16:53:09 evil Mar 18 16:53:32 on opie-image: NOTE: fetch http://www.oesources.org/source/current/Tremor_svn.xiph.org_4573_20060318.tar.gz is not found, is there a second place where to find ? Mar 18 16:53:37 and beauties like: Mar 18 16:53:39 | /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: skipping incompatible /lib/libc.so.6 when searching for /lib/libc.so.6| /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 Mar 18 16:53:45 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r07df82a1... 10/packages/liboil/liboil_0.3.6.bb: liboil: inherit pkgconfig Mar 18 16:53:50 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rd5be401e... 10/packages/ (dreambox/dreambox-dvb-modules.bb linux/linux-dm7025.bb): linux-dm7025, dreambox-dvb-modules: upgrade to dream-r4 kernel patch Mar 18 16:53:52 grma: svn.xiph.org Mar 18 16:53:58 thanks Mar 18 16:54:30 tmbinc: could you push the liboil change to .dev as well? Mar 18 16:55:44 tmbinc: do you push the dvb-apps to .dev as well? Mar 18 16:56:16 CoreDump|home: 1.3G of 3.5.4 goodness: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/oz354.tar.bz2 Mar 18 16:56:26 CoreDump|home: and the md5 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/oz354.tar.bz2.md5 Mar 18 16:56:34 koen: thanks, just finished downloading =) Mar 18 17:00:30 koen: yes Mar 18 17:00:48 zecke: which ones exactly? Mar 18 17:01:06 RP: when is the next OH svn -> OE merge planned? Mar 18 17:01:28 tmbinc: let us start with 'zap' Mar 18 17:01:32 is that in .dev? Mar 18 17:02:17 moment please, have to update my .dev tree first Mar 18 17:05:42 koen: next try, still building: http://en.pastebin.ca/46137 Mar 18 17:05:43 zecke: i think sctzap and dvbtraffic are missing. both of them should work with normal linux-dvb support, so i'll add them. Mar 18 17:06:28 tmbinc: thanks. I want to get LinuxVDR working on my NSLU2 :} (without video playback) Mar 18 17:06:54 zecke: hehe. with USB DVB hardware? Mar 18 17:07:23 tmbinc: yes, Cinergy T^2 Mar 18 17:07:36 tmbinc: I'm not into using cron and at for scheduling my recordings Mar 18 17:08:01 is the NSLU2 fast enough for handling that? (i mean, the T^2 doesn't have any hardware filters, or does it?) Mar 18 17:08:08 pH5: drop the MAINTAINER = "Chris Larson " and it's OK to commit (if it builds) Mar 18 17:08:56 tmbinc: qanu claims it has, just the firmware lacks them Mar 18 17:21:03 koen: looks good: "NOTE: package glibc-2.4-r2: task do_populate_staging: started" Mar 18 17:21:16 i get monotone: misuse: branch org.openembedded.oz354fam083 has multiple heads Mar 18 17:21:26 maybe the llh package should have default pref -1 for now and glibc 2.4 a versioned dependency Mar 18 17:21:31 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dev * r3900ca4b... 10/packages/gstreamer/ (6 files): gstreamer: add 0.10 Mar 18 17:21:32 that is on checkout Mar 18 17:21:44 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dev * rac0758ff... 10/packages/liboil/liboil_0.3.6.bb: liboil: inherit pkgconfig Mar 18 17:21:51 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dev * r420daddb... 10/packages/dvbtools/dvbtraffic.bb: dvbtraffic: add package Mar 18 17:21:55 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dev * r795a9efc... 10/packages/dvbtools/sctzap_cvs.bb: sctzap: add package Mar 18 17:22:05 pH5: don't forget to bump PR to r3 Mar 18 17:22:06 thanks :) Mar 18 17:22:12 tmbinc: thanks Mar 18 17:22:44 zecke: tell me if you have success running VDR on that device :) Mar 18 17:22:57 koen: doesn't the PR only have to be changed if the resulting packages change? Mar 18 17:23:57 tmbinc: it will take some time, but I will keep you updatet Mar 18 17:28:30 koen: Is there something specific in OH svn you're interested in? I think they're roughly in sync? Mar 18 17:32:22 RP: gtk+ Mar 18 17:32:41 pH5: or on dependency changes Mar 18 17:33:41 koen: The gtk+ in OH has half the OE patches disabled IIRC? I guess you mean the treeview patch? Mar 18 17:34:04 RP: that one Mar 18 17:34:36 ok. I'll see what I can do :) Mar 18 17:37:06 koen: should the llh recipe contain a hint that this is not the real thing? or perhaps we should put a note into the .tar.bz2 Mar 18 17:41:51 both probably Mar 18 17:55:08 koen: http://en.pastebin.ca/46147 (actually I should be ashamed to distribute this at all :)) Mar 18 17:56:41 pH5: that looks OK enough to push Mar 18 18:04:59 oh dear Mar 18 18:05:01 * pb__ stabs himself in the head Mar 18 18:05:25 no wonder my jtag isn't working: it seems I somehow got the pinout of the chip completely wrong. Mar 18 18:18:15 pb__: now you need to redesign the chip? Mar 18 18:19:22 zecke: no, I guess I need to find a way to rewire the board Mar 18 18:19:56 pb__: oh, this doesn't sound too good either Mar 18 18:20:20 no, indeed Mar 18 18:20:22 let me find a picture Mar 18 18:26:07 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rb3be2e83... 10/packages/linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers_2.6.15.99.bb: linux-libc-headers: add our own "2.6.15.99" custom-built version for glibc 2.4 Mar 18 18:26:13 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rd7cbff6e... 10/packages/glibc/glibc_2.4.bb: glibc-2.4: depend on linux-libc-headers instead of shipping it with the glibc build Mar 18 18:27:25 pb__: my poor pal, I have soldering ahead as well Mar 18 18:27:46 my SIMpad power supply is broken and Al lost parts of the Universal Power Supply... Mar 18 18:27:59 so I will create a frankenstein version of the two Mar 18 18:30:56 I "adapted" my Japanese Zaurus PSU into a UK version and frankenstein would describe it quite well :) Mar 18 18:31:46 RP: Actually Al only last the '5 cm'-part of the PSU, the thing that gets actually plugged in :} Mar 18 18:31:59 RP: I'm a bit scared to mix '+' and '-' ;) Mar 18 18:32:25 zecke: http://handhelds.org/~pb/cpld_death.jpg is a picture of the board in question, after I cut off the offending chip Mar 18 18:32:55 TURBO ISSUE A Phil Mar 18 18:33:10 U8 is the problematic device. It seems that I somehow got mixed up between two variants of the chip, and put a TQFP device on the board but using the pin assignments from the PLCC version. Mar 18 18:33:55 oh Mar 18 18:34:10 so, all the signals are in completely the wrong place, which rather sucks Mar 18 18:34:59 pb__: oh :( Mar 18 18:35:15 well, it could be worse, it's only a 44 pin device Mar 18 18:35:24 hehe Mar 18 18:35:30 if I had done that to the big fpga, it would have been a real nightmare Mar 18 18:35:32 88 would be twice as bad? Mar 18 18:35:50 good luck! Mar 18 18:35:53 probably more than twice as bad, since the pins would be a lot smaller Mar 18 18:36:43 luckily, most of the cpld signals just connect to pins on the big DIP socket, so it should be fairly easy to rewire those Mar 18 18:37:08 that chip is basically just there to provide address signals to the EPROM while the fpga is bootstrapping itself. Mar 18 18:37:17 * zecke gets the sissor and scalpel Mar 18 18:38:15 pb__: Can you comment on what the board does? Mar 18 18:39:16 At least hopefully you have access to some decent soldering tools... Mar 18 18:42:02 good evening Mar 18 18:42:12 good evening mickeyl Mar 18 18:43:43 oh Mar 18 18:43:50 that will be tough :} Mar 18 18:50:30 hey mickeyl Mar 18 19:01:04 morning Mar 18 19:01:57 hey hrw Mar 18 19:02:03 hi hrw Mar 18 19:03:16 pb__: "6502 turbo" reminds me times of MOS6502 Mar 18 19:03:27 mickeyl: noticed release? Mar 18 19:04:12 hrw: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/angstrom-dev/0/0032.html :) Mar 18 19:04:45 ;) Mar 18 19:05:36 ok. jackie chan movie in minutes Mar 18 19:05:41 heh, have fun Mar 18 19:06:16 I have new pizzeria nearly - just ordered pizza and it will be first and last one Mar 18 19:07:11 why? was it that bad? Mar 18 19:07:14 hail mickeyl Mar 18 19:07:23 could be better Mar 18 19:08:16 hey pb_ Mar 18 19:09:27 zecke: 35 wires done, 9 to go Mar 18 19:09:30 * pb__ giving up for today Mar 18 19:09:44 I guess I should join angstrom-dev... Mar 18 19:09:49 RP: yeah, please :) Mar 18 19:10:01 that is fast! Mar 18 19:10:20 hrw|tv: yah. in fact, that board is a go-faster unit for an old 6502 based machine Mar 18 19:10:22 pb__: friend decided to solder out 150pin connector (pci like) at home.... Mar 18 19:10:27 *sigh* doing figures suck. I'd rather rip a cool one than drawing my own... it's just that I can't find the one that visualizes exactly the aspects I want to tell *sigh* Mar 18 19:10:37 pb__: I'm about to give up on my soldering Mar 18 19:10:38 pb__: not going to 65816? Mar 18 19:10:55 pb__: these are not two wires side by side, but one around the other :} Mar 18 19:11:15 pb__: in Poland one guy work on turboboard for atari xl/xe and he use 65816/14 Mar 18 19:11:45 hrw|tv: the 65816 sucks, it only runs at 14MHz Mar 18 19:12:23 pb__: rest of computer was designed for 1.7MHz so it probably be good enough Mar 18 19:12:35 heh, righ Mar 18 19:12:38 right, also Mar 18 19:12:39 pb__: is there some webpage about your board? Mar 18 19:12:52 no, I guess I should write one some day Mar 18 19:13:04 hrw|tv: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/rrd/graph/traffic_eth0_7200.png Mar 18 19:13:12 hrw|tv: the effect of an oz release :) Mar 18 19:13:43 kohttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/rrd/graph/traffic_eth0_86400.png is more fun Mar 18 19:13:59 it's pretty simple, basically just a spartan-3 fpga containing a 6502 soft core, an eprom to hold the fpga bitstream, a cpld to bootstrap the fpga out of the eprom, and a pile of level shifters to interface the 2.5V fpga to the 5V universe outside. Mar 18 19:14:05 nothing, nothing, 5M, 10M Mar 18 19:14:20 nice Mar 18 19:14:32 mickeyl: subscribed Mar 18 19:14:39 at least 3 people are doing a wget -r Mar 18 19:16:54 RP: excellent, welcome on board. The next OOO newsletter will contain some more statements about the roadmap concerning OZ/OpenSIMpad/Angstrom etc. Mar 18 19:17:13 plus an invitation to join the list etc. Mar 18 19:17:15 NOTE: package handhelds-pxa-2.6-2.6.16-rc6-hh0+cvs20060318: completed Mar 18 19:17:18 I hope to have it released in may Mar 18 19:17:19 mickeyl: I look forward to reading it :) Mar 18 19:17:24 :) Mar 18 19:17:41 hmm did anyone play with rpld? Mar 18 19:18:16 * pb__ go home now Mar 18 19:18:18 bbl Mar 18 19:18:55 cu Mar 18 20:02:36 re Mar 18 20:04:31 wb Mar 18 20:13:35 koen: I broke glibc-intermediate-2.4 :-/ it still tries to stage its own headers. Mar 18 20:23:07 pH5: fixed Mar 18 20:24:49 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcdec929d... 10/packages/glibc/glibc-intermediate_2.4.bb: glibc-intermediate 2.4: don't stage own headers now he have a llh package containing them Mar 18 20:26:03 koen: thanks :) also, shouldn't we add linux-libc-headers to glibc-intermediate's DEPENDS then? Mar 18 20:26:22 good point Mar 18 20:26:27 do you want to do that? Mar 18 20:26:34 ok Mar 18 20:26:44 DEPENDS += probably Mar 18 20:28:27 koen: no, glibc depends on virtual/gcc because of nptl. glibc-intermediate only depends on gcc-initial. Mar 18 21:01:10 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rce075130... 10/packages/glibc/glibc-intermediate_2.4.bb: glibc-intermediate-2.4: depend on linux-libc-headers Mar 18 21:04:14 argh... Mar 18 21:04:34 .oz354fam083 got merges merges merges recently - all mine Mar 18 21:05:45 start a new branch and stop caring Mar 18 21:06:05 yep Mar 18 21:06:33 and new builddir for 354x Mar 18 21:07:16 it was mt commit --branch new-branch? Mar 18 21:07:33 yes Mar 18 21:07:39 or -b new-branch Mar 18 21:11:57 hrw@bitbake:~/devel/oe/branch/packages/linux$ mt list branches Mar 18 21:11:58 org.openembedded.dev Mar 18 21:11:58 org.openembedded.dreambox Mar 18 21:11:58 org.openembedded.oz354fam083 Mar 18 21:11:58 org.openembedded.oz354x Mar 18 21:12:34 pushed to ewi Mar 18 21:13:07 try again Mar 18 21:13:30 now it goes Mar 18 21:14:06 and I got even proper quote for mail about it ;) Mar 18 21:14:25 oz354x is for 3.5.4.1? Mar 18 21:14:50 or for 3.5.4 first? Mar 18 21:15:33 RP: 3.5.4 has been out for a while now ;) Mar 18 21:16:10 koen: I'm obviously behind the times :) Mar 18 21:16:30 RP: 3.5.4.x Mar 18 21:16:56 RP: 3.5.4.1 with 2.6.15+ for clamshells, then sooner or later 3.5.4.2 etc Mar 18 21:17:12 Presumably I can make commits to this branch? Mar 18 21:17:24 can anyone suggest a German word for "Fixed" that is about the same length? Mar 18 21:17:51 RP: you are expected even ;) Mar 18 21:18:21 RP: I can say that you are best man for this Mar 18 21:18:48 hrw: could you try syncing org.openembedded.* to ewi and vanille? Mar 18 21:19:25 can Mar 18 21:19:32 hrw: I just want to make sure I'm not going to get told off/upset anyone :) Mar 18 21:19:39 so I have to sync to monotone or push to it? Mar 18 21:19:49 sync Mar 18 21:19:58 that makes sure both ends have the same info Mar 18 21:20:05 syncinc.. Mar 18 21:20:11 * RP pulls Mar 18 21:21:17 cbrake_: what's the context? Mar 18 21:22:11 mail sent Mar 18 21:22:21 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r123439e9... 10/packages/zaurus-updater/ (c7x0/updater.sh zaurus-updater.bb): zaurus-updater: add SL-7500 (chinese version of C-750) into c7x0 updater.sh Mar 18 21:22:23 CoreDump|home: hi Mar 18 21:22:26 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r8d3847cd... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom-2006.9.conf: prefer linux-libc-headers 2.6.15.99, needed for glibc 2.4 Mar 18 21:22:40 hrw: hey Mar 18 21:23:19 CoreDump|home: can you write "root-on-sd (altboot - OZ 3.5.4)" howto for Oz.org? Mar 18 21:23:36 sure Mar 18 21:23:39 great Mar 18 21:24:08 I suspect that users will ask in next months how to use "rootfs from tar.gz" etc questions Mar 18 21:24:32 docs or not, they will ask anyway Mar 18 21:24:37 heh Mar 18 21:25:23 koen: but its easier to say 'there is howto on oz website' then 'you need to find out or ask someone else' Mar 18 21:25:54 hrw: indeed Mar 18 21:26:21 today 'root-on-sd' is 14th position in most reads Mar 18 21:27:11 I added note on top of it that it is obsolete with oz 3.5.4 Mar 18 21:27:51 best thing which we got from altboot: no MORE hacks to get root-on-sd Mar 18 21:28:03 even rboot will not be updated ;) Mar 18 21:28:10 =) Mar 18 21:28:13 Is 3.5.4.1 going to be pcmciautils or pcmcia-cs? Mar 18 21:28:24 RP: I would left it to you Mar 18 21:28:37 How do people find pcmciautils? Mar 18 21:28:40 RP: openzaurus/2.6 is for you Mar 18 21:28:48 hrw: just cmdline change for c7x0 Mar 18 21:28:49 RP: oz users rather do not use it Mar 18 21:28:52 RP: it works for me Mar 18 21:29:03 root-on-sd mini howto: 1: d/l rootfs tarball, 2: copy to CF/SD/home, 3. boot with tar.gz installer, 4. Follow instructions Mar 18 21:29:23 koen: booting from /media/card/boot-images/opieloop.ext2 too? Mar 18 21:29:35 RP: it worked for me too Mar 18 21:29:52 RP: we just never gave it for users before Mar 18 21:29:56 hrw: no, just with the rootfs on sd Mar 18 21:30:03 untar to sd, flash kernel, done Mar 18 21:30:05 I'm tempted to try for pcmciautils and if the test release fails we can always revert. Does that sound reasonable? Mar 18 21:30:24 koen: I know - I wanted to configure Z for this but got fscking bad card Mar 18 21:30:27 btw... Mar 18 21:30:31 ~lart rmk Mar 18 21:30:31 * ibot whips rmk with a wet and grimy noodle just because Mar 18 21:30:44 What did he do? Mar 18 21:30:45 RP: yes Mar 18 21:30:59 RP: still no info does he got card working ;( Mar 18 21:31:05 hmm :-/ Mar 18 21:31:53 Is anyone interested in LTTng in OE btw? Mar 18 21:32:07 the trace stuff? Mar 18 21:32:11 yes Mar 18 21:32:16 can't hurt Mar 18 21:32:20 works nicely on arm now... Mar 18 21:32:28 someone fixed it up ;-) Mar 18 21:33:11 that's an understatement Mar 18 21:34:03 hrw: I can't get your branch to appear... Mar 18 21:36:13 pcmciautils rocks Mar 18 21:37:00 ha! now I'm really syncing - monotone.vanille.de Mar 18 21:37:43 D'oh Mar 18 21:37:53 koen: sucessfuly synced with monotone.vanille.de Mar 18 21:38:34 now full syncing with localhost Mar 18 21:39:40 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/branch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.oz354x Mar 18 21:40:06 jupi Mar 18 21:46:31 hrw: CIA now also gets notified of .oz354x Mar 18 21:46:38 cool Mar 18 21:46:48 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r235ce22f... 10/packages/linux/ (28 files in 3 dirs): Mar 18 21:46:50 I'm removing 3.5.4-test5 stuff Mar 18 21:46:54 It's time to start working on OpenZaurus 3.5.4.1 so I drop old 2.6 kernels Mar 18 21:46:58 This branch is for OpenZaurus work - we decided to not use .oz354fam083 Mar 18 21:47:03 because Familiar future is unknown currently. Mar 18 21:47:19 koen: and we are noticing it Mar 18 21:48:10 ok. time to go sleep Mar 18 21:48:27 tomorrow I plan to have OZ-free day Mar 18 21:48:54 'night hrw Mar 18 21:49:26 and new quote for oesf... Mar 18 21:50:29 There are three types of people: Mar 18 21:50:29 Those who don't know what happened, those who wonder what happened, Mar 18 21:50:29 and people like us, that MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. Mar 18 21:50:39 'night hrw. I'll aim to do some work on 3.5.4.1 soon :) Mar 18 21:50:57 I found that quote quite good for oesf forums Mar 18 21:52:18 hrw: no mail on oz(deve, Mar 18 21:52:18 cu Mar 18 21:52:23 luser) on the release Mar 18 21:52:27 koen: ? Mar 18 21:52:30 ah.. yep Mar 18 21:52:38 will fix it Mar 18 21:52:52 forgot that oz users does not read website Mar 18 21:55:12 cu Mar 18 22:05:10 RP: qemu in debian didn't seem to like EABI binaries, do you know if qemu_cvs fixes that? Mar 18 22:05:30 koen: Probably not yet but I'm not sure Mar 18 22:06:30 koen: this looks promising: http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewcvs/qemu/qemu/linux-user/syscall.c?rev=1.66&view=auto Mar 18 22:06:55 koen: Although it was the CSL guys working on it so you never know... Mar 18 22:07:22 'Revision: 1.66, Thu Feb 9 16:49:55 2006 UTC (5 weeks, 2 days ago) by pbrook ' Mar 18 22:07:27 'Arm Linux EABI syscall support.' Mar 18 22:07:46 * koen waits for that to get into debian Mar 18 22:07:52 Mar 18 22:13:47 * CoreDump|home pulls oz354x Mar 18 22:14:23 right now oz354x is quite unusable Mar 18 22:14:29 since it lacks a 2.6 kernel Mar 18 22:15:00 * RP will fix :) Mar 18 22:15:16 when this pull finishes... Mar 18 22:24:19 'night all Mar 18 22:24:31 'night koen|sleep Mar 18 22:24:51 koen|sleep: cya! Mar 18 22:25:06 RP: do you have idea on what the RDEPENDS problem could be? Mar 18 22:25:25 zecke: Which RDEPENDS problem? Mar 18 22:26:00 zecke: and could you make -c clean ignore dependencies as well? Mar 18 22:26:01 RP: well, we constantly hear at least two issues: clear cleaning more than it used to clean Mar 18 22:26:20 koen|sleep: hehe Mar 18 22:26:20 * koen|sleep really zzz now Mar 18 22:26:39 RP: and the second is, after one dependency was broken, and rebuild was restarted Mar 18 22:26:50 RP: the dependency will be ignored Mar 18 22:27:05 RP: and well, I have no explanation for that Mar 18 22:27:27 by "was broken" you mean a build failure? Mar 18 22:27:40 right Mar 18 22:28:08 I also don't have an explaination for that. very strange :-/ Mar 18 22:28:27 At least that sounds repoducable... Mar 18 22:28:59 closest explanation would be: we write a wrong stamp Mar 18 22:30:12 maybe Mar 18 22:32:26 The clean issue is that when running operations on a single .bb package, we need to stop the BUILD_ALL_DEPS variable having any effect Mar 18 22:33:43 right, I can take care of that one Mar 18 22:33:57 I'm slowly starting extending bitbake-tests Mar 18 22:37:26 I get sanity.conf added now I'm in a position to be able to deal with bug reports Mar 18 23:37:06 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r590c3435... 10/packages/qte/qte_2.3.10.bb: qt/embedded 2.3.10: generate eabi configurations to make ./configure not bailing out Mar 18 23:37:23 mickeyl: EABI, how is QtE influenced? Mar 18 23:37:39 simply: Mar 18 23:37:49 ERROR ./configure can't find shared library target for linux-gnueabi-arm-g++ Mar 18 23:37:52 valid platforms are.... Mar 18 23:37:53 foo bar Mar 18 23:38:00 we had the same problems with uclbic Mar 18 23:38:03 uclibc, even Mar 18 23:38:38 it still doesn't compile, but that's a g++ 4.1 thing Mar 18 23:38:50 more ISO compliance Mar 18 23:39:09 i'll handle that in june if no one fixes it prior to me Mar 18 23:39:20 mickeyl: ah, right Mar 18 23:40:33 Hmmm. It would appear most of the 2.6 prerequisites made it into the branch anyway in the end... Mar 18 23:41:40 RP: good to hear. less intrusive changes ahead then? Mar 18 23:42:49 mickeyl: Its looking quite straightforward atm. I'll run a build and see what happens :) Mar 18 23:43:34 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r871590ca... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: Mar 18 23:43:38 classes/tinderclient.class: Mar 18 23:43:40 -Exchange <--- and ---> to fix the tinderbox Mar 18 23:43:42 view Mar 18 23:43:44 -Add a new line to fix the tinderbox display Mar 18 23:43:46 for multiple providers. Mar 18 23:44:05 mickeyl: The main changes will be pcmcia-cs -> pcmciautils, addition of zaurusd and ALSA Mar 18 23:45:31 RP: sounds not to bad Mar 18 23:45:34 s/to/too/ Mar 19 00:44:45 rwhitby: ping Mar 19 00:46:11 hey zecke, do you know the virtual interface at boot time secret? Mar 19 00:46:37 virtual if? Mar 19 00:46:47 yeah, Mar 19 00:47:13 it seems like bitbake is truncating the iface spec. Mar 19 00:47:16 i can do it by hand. Mar 19 00:47:37 this is technically an openslug question, but nobody is home there. Mar 19 00:51:11 ah Mar 19 00:59:10 HopsNBarley: no, no clue at all Mar 19 01:01:16 thanks anyway guys. have a nice evening! Mar 19 01:06:13 zecke: pong Mar 19 01:17:39 rwhitby: I see you manually removed the file-native build Mar 19 01:17:55 rwhitby: I wonder if we want something like auto clean last failed package Mar 19 01:22:14 zecke: we have something like that for optware in nslu2-linux - it's a perl script which just checks the optware style of PRs and blows away the build dir if it is later than the .ipk Mar 19 01:27:36 * mickeyl looks at the clock Mar 19 01:32:37 g'night folks Mar 19 01:33:14 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r80f6af3e... 10/packages/qte/ (qte-2.3.10/gcc4.patch qte_2.3.10.bb): qt/embedded 2.3.10: add gcc4 patch to make it compile :) Mar 19 01:34:57 :) Mar 19 01:35:03 'nite mickey|zzZZzz Mar 19 01:42:22 rwhitby: mickey|zzZZzz june? Mar 19 01:42:30 mickey|zzZZzz: june? Mar 19 01:42:42 mickey|zzZZzz: gosh I must have been idling... Mar 19 04:22:53 What Zaurus is above SL-5600? Mar 19 04:23:06 next step up, not all of them... Mar 19 04:23:39 C700 maybe? Mar 19 04:44:02 Zero_Chaos: the developer version... Mar 19 04:44:18 then SL-6000, 6000L (wifi), 6000W (wifi + bt) Mar 19 04:45:54 jnc: I want a Zaurus with at least 64 megs of RAM, larger than my current 16 megs of flash, and no builtin wifi. (bluetooth nice but not required) Suggestions? :-) Mar 19 04:51:07 Zero_Chaos: zaurus c3100 or c3200 Mar 19 04:51:30 though to be perfectly honest, a nokia 770 might suit you better Mar 19 04:51:36 jnc: suggestions for good place to purchase? Mar 19 04:51:47 yeah, i got both of my zaurii used Mar 19 04:51:54 i have a c3000 and c3100 Mar 19 04:51:58 jnc: ebay then? Mar 19 04:52:18 if you find one with accessories and stuff for 500usd or less, grab it Mar 19 04:52:23 Zero_Chaos, wernt you the guy who got a free n770? Mar 19 04:52:34 otherwise, pay full price at streamlinecpus.com Mar 19 04:52:37 emte: no, but I was here talking to him with you that night ;-) Mar 19 04:52:51 ah, that explains my confusion Mar 19 04:52:57 jnc: you know what wifi/driver the nokia 770 uses? Mar 19 04:53:03 no idea, sorry Mar 19 04:53:15 jnc: that's okay, I need keyboard, love Zaurus. Mar 19 04:53:18 i've got a compact flash adapter Mar 19 04:53:34 quite pleased with the DLink DCF-660w wifi adapter.... Mar 19 04:53:39 but it is only 802.11b Mar 19 04:53:59 i'm considering to go for a linksys 802.11g adapter, the WCF-54g Mar 19 04:54:06 not enough info yet though Mar 19 04:54:17 jnc: I've been dying to find a b/g adapter with a working linux driver, but they don't exist :/ Mar 19 04:54:34 Zero_Chaos: madwifi is *the* option for the moment Mar 19 04:54:44 proprietary and stuff Mar 19 04:54:55 jnc: I know, but that linksys you are mentioning does not have an atheros chipset Mar 19 04:55:00 i doubt there is an b/g adapter made for compact flash Mar 19 04:55:08 i mean Mar 19 04:55:10 a/g Mar 19 04:55:17 the WCF-54g should be b/g Mar 19 04:55:39 the WCF-54g has a rather well mfg supported driver Mar 19 04:55:43 jnc: there several b/g, but not atheros or even prism54, they are all odd proprietary chipsets that there are no good linux drivers for Mar 19 04:55:43 the agere chipset Mar 19 04:56:06 FYI i find the zaurus to be a pain in the ass, considering how much i paid for it Mar 19 04:56:07 jnc: I work on the aircrack-ng project, I need a REAL driver, injection, monitor, the good stuff Mar 19 04:56:19 jnc: I love my SL-5500 Mar 19 04:56:21 yeah Mar 19 04:56:37 i'm probably going to stick with SharpROM Mar 19 04:56:44 at least on the one i use everyday Mar 19 04:56:49 (my C3100) Mar 19 04:56:59 i'm selling my C3000 Mar 19 04:57:02 jnc: I use OpenZaurus on my SL-5500, I built the rom I use myself Mar 19 04:57:19 jnc: is C3000 just like 3100 but no HD? Mar 19 04:57:24 uh Mar 19 04:57:45 the C3000 has an 4gb microdrive on the internal CF slot, and 8mb flash Mar 19 04:57:54 ahh Mar 19 04:58:08 C3100 is the same, case color is s/white/black/, and has instead 128mb flash Mar 19 04:58:12 * Zero_Chaos doesn't know many Zaurus except SL-5XXX Mar 19 04:58:32 i wanted the black (granite, really) colour case originally Mar 19 04:58:38 jnc: which is the C3XXX with no HD? or do they all have? Mar 19 04:59:13 the C1000 has 128mb flash only internal and a special I2C gizmo thing on the chipset Mar 19 04:59:22 no hd Mar 19 04:59:27 Zero_Chaos: C1000, IIRC Mar 19 05:00:19 I know this isn't the OZ channel, but anyone know if C1000 is well supported in OZ? Mar 19 05:00:26 hah, no Mar 19 05:00:36 a lot of owners use them and like it though Mar 19 05:00:50 wait for OZ release 3.5.4.1 Mar 19 05:01:16 jnc: hardware wise, looks like what I want, but until it is well supported, I cannot deal with it. Good thing I'm poor enough to be patient. Mar 19 05:01:31 no bluetooth though :-( Mar 19 05:01:51 lack of bluetooth was the worst design decision Mar 19 05:02:02 there's plenty of space internally to stuff bluetooth in there Mar 19 05:02:12 enough free GPIO pins to do it too Mar 19 05:02:57 jnc: what do you think of SL-6000 compared to C1000? Mar 19 05:05:10 better screen (reportedly) Mar 19 05:05:19 you can get the SL-6000W now Mar 19 05:05:27 it's expensive at 890usd Mar 19 05:05:33 but it has bluetooth and wifi built in Mar 19 05:05:42 i'm a fan of the clamshell Mar 19 05:06:00 Yeah, the clamshell is nice. Mar 19 05:06:24 jnc: for some reason, OZ uses linux-wlan-ng (unstable for my purposes) on the Zaurii with builtin wifi. And I think I may agree with you, clamshells look cool, but I've never even seen one in person. Mar 19 05:07:22 it's seriously slick. get a case and a screen protector though Mar 19 05:07:29 the screen scratches/marrs easily Mar 19 05:07:54 if the software worked properly, i'd use it all the damn time Mar 19 05:08:34 as a fellow zaurus user pointed out, reading books on a nice quality backlit screen is much easier on the eyes than paper Mar 19 05:08:37 :) Mar 19 05:09:22 jnc: Definitely.. I was doing that on my walk to the shops this morning.. works well even in direct sunlight Mar 19 05:12:02 and if you need mobile internet access, it's been reported that you'd want to try the enfora make card Mar 19 05:12:05 it's a GSM cf card Mar 19 05:12:27 they sell used on eBay for $150-170 Mar 19 05:12:40 though i wouldn't pay much more than $60 for one incl. shipping charges Mar 19 05:13:32 NAbyss: this is the case i have for my C3100, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5879943941 Mar 19 05:18:15 jnc: Hm, I've the same issue.. I'm planning to just use my mobile as a modem instead over IrDA Mar 19 05:18:58 slow :( Mar 19 05:20:29 No slower than GPRS usually is.. Mar 19 05:20:42 IrDA link, SIR.. 115kbit.. GPRS typically maxes out at 80kbit Mar 19 05:28:53 jnc: Have you got the case as yet? Mar 19 05:34:01 NAbyss: i have one that came with the C3100 i bought secondhand Mar 19 05:34:06 NAbyss: i'm ordering a second one Mar 19 05:34:11 :) Mar 19 05:35:19 Ah :) Mar 19 05:35:24 Is it decent? Mar 19 05:35:28 it is excellent Mar 19 05:36:04 on functional merits, it protects the hardware and doesn't get too much in the way Mar 19 05:36:50 the thickness it adds means you wouldn't want to stuff the zaurus in a shirt pocket, it's not that bad, and besides the zaurus is a little heavy (weight/mass) for a shirt pocket Mar 19 05:37:20 * NAbyss nods Mar 19 05:37:21 magnetic clasp works well Mar 19 05:37:35 I'm using the case that came with my portable HDD at the moment.. almost identical size to the 3100 Mar 19 05:37:41 ah Mar 19 05:37:50 a small digital camera bag does the same thing Mar 19 05:38:03 Yep Mar 19 05:38:17 what's slick about the case noted at the ebay link above, is that it securely attaches to the bottom half of the zaurus clamshell hardware Mar 19 05:38:52 I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.. the amount that I have to take the battery cover off to reset the little bugger.. Mar 19 05:38:59 *grin* Mar 19 05:39:08 working with SharpROM, those are not problems Mar 19 05:39:22 for a devel machine I am sure the case would usually be off Mar 19 05:39:37 yours freezes? Mar 19 05:40:04 need to get a band of villagers with torches and storm the Richard Purdie gates Mar 19 05:40:22 "fix cpu freq! fix cpu freq!" Mar 19 05:42:20 jnc: Heh, yeah, a few freezes, kernel panics here and there.. Mar 19 05:42:35 please share your experiences Mar 19 05:42:52 it may help RP when fixing the issue Mar 19 05:42:53 Which reminds me.. I need to reflash with the hostap flashing support so I can test the card with an AP Mar 19 05:43:02 ah Mar 19 05:43:03 jnc: Ah, okies Mar 19 05:43:13 do you need precompiled kernel modules, or you got it? Mar 19 05:43:19 i've got some floating around still i think Mar 19 05:43:41 I've got it.. just need to flash the bugger Mar 19 05:44:12 i'm keen to know whom has the WCF-54g Mar 19 05:44:36 if it does support WPA2, i'll buy one and add support Mar 19 05:47:01 jnc: Well, for an example of lockups.. just attempted to shutdown the Z.. it locks up with opie still on the screen Mar 19 05:47:32 shutdown won't work Mar 19 05:47:34 use reboot Mar 19 05:47:47 reboot function = physically shuts down okay Mar 19 05:48:01 not sure why. Mar 19 05:48:02 jnc, i have one Mar 19 05:48:12 but i also have an IPAQ Mar 19 05:48:15 emte: have you made it work ? Mar 19 05:48:20 and you know what that means Mar 19 05:48:30 not sure what that means Mar 19 05:48:33 2.4.x kernel? Mar 19 05:48:43 that i dont have a usable wpa_sup Mar 19 05:48:49 oh Mar 19 05:48:52 why is that? Mar 19 05:49:09 wpa_supplicant_nossl Mar 19 05:49:43 jnc: ah, okies.. Mar 19 05:50:15 emte: you can build your own wpa_supplicant package Mar 19 05:50:20 just install it and overwrite Mar 19 05:50:26 i actually tried compiling the openssl wpa earlier Mar 19 05:50:36 didnt get too far Mar 19 05:50:42 oh Mar 19 05:50:46 try the gnutls one Mar 19 05:50:48 0.5.1 Mar 19 05:50:49 | make: *** No rule to make target `driver_hermes.o', needed by `wpa_supplicant'. Stop. Mar 19 05:50:49 NOTE: Task failed: /backupfiles/biohazard/openembedded/build/tmp/work/wpa-supplicant-0.3.8-r0/temp/log.do_compile.24068 Mar 19 05:51:11 i added the hermes patch but that didnt help Mar 19 05:52:03 was gonna poke at it more tomorrow Mar 19 05:52:20 but you are aware of the issue with that card right? Mar 19 05:52:21 wpa_supplicant 0.5.1 needs some fixing Mar 19 05:52:26 but that's what i think you should target Mar 19 05:52:33 no mac addr? Mar 19 05:52:42 0.5.1 isnt in the stable branch i have now Mar 19 05:52:48 ohhh Mar 19 05:52:58 jnc, missing/setable Mar 19 05:53:14 diff it out. grab the libgcrypt gnutls and wpa-supplicant changes Mar 19 05:53:16 defaults to 00:00:00... Mar 19 05:53:20 that's not so bad Mar 19 05:53:32 the wifi scripts dont like that Mar 19 05:53:35 can be helped by a script without too much trouble Mar 19 05:53:40 yeah but it's fixable at least Mar 19 05:53:44 they cycle repeatedly Mar 19 05:53:50 does the hardware have a mac addr printed on it? Mar 19 05:53:59 on the case yeah Mar 19 05:54:11 okay so there's probably some way to get it programatically Mar 19 05:54:14 not a big deal Mar 19 05:54:22 i'm more concerned about whether WPA2 is supported Mar 19 05:54:30 i am trying to add macchanger to the gpe interface as soon as i can figure out how to compile gpe-conf on my host Mar 19 05:55:55 its what i currently use with my card Mar 19 05:56:17 that probably won't be necessary Mar 19 05:56:25 there is a bit of an annoyance when you use ifconfig Mar 19 05:56:27 i mean, nice to have, but not needed Mar 19 05:56:37 drivers can be fixed :) Mar 19 05:56:49 you MUST use down IN the mac assignment statement or it wont work Mar 19 05:57:00 jnc, its not a driver issue Mar 19 05:57:13 its a hardware issue Mar 19 05:57:15 sounds like a firmware/driver thing Mar 19 05:57:36 it doesnt matter what platform the card is on, it doesnt hold it's MAC Mar 19 05:58:14 bug or feature depends on perspective Mar 19 05:58:25 it will accept and use any valid MAC Mar 19 05:59:25 anyway i am off to studdy more math Mar 19 06:03:05 ohh Mar 19 06:03:10 it just eats the first one? Mar 19 06:03:26 that's pretty easy to work around Mar 19 06:08:19 jnc: actually, those images might be useful, if they'll work with a c3100 running 2.6.. Mar 19 06:19:40 NAbyss: i don't know about that Mar 19 06:19:48 i made them for the OZ release i think Mar 19 06:19:54 * jnc checks Mar 19 06:20:24 NAbyss: hah hah hah Mar 19 06:20:33 jnc@baker:~/posessions/gadgets/slc3000/oses/openz-354fam03_NAbyss$ ls special_ipk/ Mar 19 06:20:33 hostap_with_flash_enabled Mar 19 06:20:57 it's for kernel 2.4.20 Mar 19 06:21:08 i have the images though and ipks Mar 19 06:52:41 Ah, never mind :) Mar 19 06:52:51 I'll just tool around with the patch Mar 19 07:06:42 i'm moving to angstrom development, i guess Mar 19 07:07:00 What's happening with angstrom? Mar 19 07:07:30 ERROR: Error in executing: /home/jnc/opensource/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/dvbtools/sctzap_cvs.bb Mar 19 07:07:33 ERROR: Exception:exceptions.SyntaxError Message:EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1) Mar 19 07:07:36 zoh Mar 19 07:07:37 who broke it Mar 19 07:08:01 jnc: I fscking hate that error. Mar 19 07:09:51 Zero_Chaos: what causes the error Mar 19 07:10:36 NOTE: exceptions.SyntaxError:EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1) while evaluating: Mar 19 07:10:39 ${@base_set_filespath([ "/home/jnc/opensource/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/dvbtools/dvbtraffic-0.0cvs${CVSDATE}-r0", "/home/jnc/opensource/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/dvbtools/dvbtraffic-0.0cvs${CVSDATE}", "/home/jnc/opensource/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/dvbtools/dvbtraffic", "/home/jnc/opensource/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/dvbtools/files", "/home/jnc/opensource/openembedded/org.open Mar 19 07:10:46 that's the error i got Mar 19 07:11:25 jnc: if you find out, let me know, I can't build from .dev because I get that error (and LOTS like it). I asked on the mailing list, and no one responded Mar 19 07:26:58 jnc, unless you posted wrong your error is obvious Mar 19 07:27:07 your missing a " from your path def Mar 19 07:28:16 but most like there has been a change Mar 19 07:28:19 likly* Mar 19 07:29:19 i don't see the missing quot Mar 19 07:31:42 i think your paste got cut off Mar 19 08:37:30 hi all Mar 19 08:38:38 jnc: I just reflashed my wlan card with prism2_srec.. what should I do now? Remove/reinsert? Mar 19 08:47:41 gggiornoooooooooooooooooooooooo Mar 19 09:47:51 hi all, there is in oe (org.oe.dev) a very small application to view images on framebuffer ? Mar 19 09:54:51 good mornign all Mar 19 09:56:21 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf048edc6... 10/packages/glibmm/glibmm_2.8.4.bb: glibmm: put some more headers in the -dev package Mar 19 10:18:39 good morning Mar 19 10:21:21 hey Bernardo Mar 19 10:21:44 hey kone Mar 19 10:21:48 koen Mar 19 10:28:31 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7436b325... 10/packages/glibmm/glibmm_2.8.4.bb: glibmm, gtkmm: fix typo in FILES statement Mar 19 10:39:21 morning all Mar 19 10:40:00 jnc: I was seeing that error last night. I'd question why .dev is using ${CVSDATE} Mar 19 10:40:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf246935e... 10/packages/libgc/libgc_6.7.bb: libgc: add 6.7, fixes build problems for ARM EABI targets Mar 19 10:40:40 hey RP Mar 19 10:40:44 jnc: For me it was a broken path and I was mixing the oz354x branch with .dev... Mar 19 10:44:17 Moin all Mar 19 10:44:21 hey uv1 Mar 19 10:44:22 hi uv1 Mar 19 10:44:38 Anyone here who has expierence with unionfs ? Mar 19 10:57:37 hi all Mar 19 10:58:38 hey pH5 Mar 19 10:58:53 pH5: atd fails with a kernel-header problem at the moment Mar 19 10:59:04 hey koen Mar 19 10:59:48 koen: I have atd built, but that might have been before the llh package change. I'll try rebuild... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 19 10:59:57 2006