**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 04 09:59:57 2006 Apr 04 10:07:59 hrw|work: can you pastebin log.do_compile.879 ? Apr 04 10:08:31 * Bernardo gives up on the ide part of the sandisk connect plus Apr 04 10:09:16 koen|writing: is this ep93xx machine just qemu ? Apr 04 10:09:30 ade|desk: http://pastebin.com/639573 Apr 04 10:09:53 koen|writing: and for the breakage: revert to the previous package.bbclass, then it should work again Apr 04 10:10:08 what's the default password for familiar distros these days... still "rootme"? Apr 04 10:10:14 the "pkgs = set()" isn't correct python, at least not with Python2.3 Apr 04 10:10:19 (not sure about 2.4) Apr 04 10:10:40 schurig: ep93xx is the machine to describe some cirrus logic ep93xx boards Apr 04 10:11:01 like glomationinc.com/products_9312-sx.html and http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7200-spec-h.html Apr 04 10:11:33 hey zecke Apr 04 10:11:53 hi zecke Apr 04 10:11:56 koen|writing: is this below 100 EUR at this side of the pond? Apr 04 10:12:16 hrw|work: is that all there is for it Apr 04 10:12:58 ade|desk: yes Apr 04 10:13:03 oh dear Apr 04 10:13:29 schurig: around E100 depending on shipping and quantity Apr 04 10:16:28 Hello ! Apr 04 10:16:44 * XorA bans koen from showing him toys he wants Apr 04 10:17:03 Is there a way to check for kernel version inside a do_install ? Apr 04 10:17:29 KERNEL_VERSION? Apr 04 10:18:30 would an -> if ${KERNEL_VERSION}="2.6" be accepted ? Apr 04 10:18:52 hrw|work: can you clean rdesktop and repeat with same result, i dont see how that can happen Apr 04 10:19:28 Hi all,is it possible to retrieve a very old oe snapshot like: oe_20050727083537.tgz ? Apr 04 10:19:43 ade|desk: will do Apr 04 10:19:55 morning all Apr 04 10:20:03 hi dirk Apr 04 10:20:11 hey dirk Apr 04 10:20:15 hey Apr 04 10:20:24 I wonder where I could give an OE talk :} Apr 04 10:20:40 zecke: at the busstation ;) Apr 04 10:21:10 I'd go. Which bus station? Apr 04 10:21:17 hey hrw|work, koen|writing, zecke Apr 04 10:23:22 koen|writing: I prefer to talk in the bus Apr 04 10:24:09 zecke: talk in a bus on busstation then? Apr 04 10:24:21 hail zecke Apr 04 10:25:00 ade|desk: much better now - http://pastebin.com/639608 fails Apr 04 10:26:39 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb2bf90bf... 10/packages/dhcp/ (files/fixincludes.patch dhcp_3.0.1.bb dhcp_3.0.2.bb): Apr 04 10:26:39 dhcp: fix from .dev (Revision: 64742be159d116fa8792ca0fd9e10ba4e64357f1 Apr 04 10:26:39 ) Apr 04 10:27:50 Ifaistos: no, that's wrong sytax Apr 04 10:27:57 Ifaistos: "info bash" Apr 04 10:29:38 ah looks like the x11 is diet-x11 without the xim bits in. will have to look into which x11 you are using Apr 04 10:29:49 do13, hey Dirk, got your mail thanks Apr 04 10:32:23 hey Liam. np Apr 04 10:32:41 hrw|work: which x11 are you using in oz354x ? Apr 04 10:33:16 ade|desk: diet-x11 Apr 04 10:33:27 which version ? Apr 04 10:33:45 6.2.1 iirc Apr 04 10:34:07 yes. 6.2.1-r3 Apr 04 10:37:21 lrg: can we do a coldreset in wm9712_soc_resume instead of the warmreset? Apr 04 10:38:39 hrw|work: ah you need the patch from .dev/xlibs/libx11/xim.patch which is against 6.2.1 applied to your diet-x11 this adds the stubs for a load of xim stuff that will fool many packages into working with fallback to simple methods Apr 04 10:39:16 thx Apr 04 10:39:27 will add it later then Apr 04 10:39:55 .dev/pacakges/xlibs/diet-x11_6.2.1.bb will show it Apr 04 10:39:58 ok Apr 04 10:40:23 but you will need to bump the rev in libx11_6.2.1.bb too Apr 04 10:49:30 do13, yes, we should make it a mod param though Apr 04 10:50:39 ade|desk: NOTE: package rdesktop-1.4.1-r1: task do_build: completed Apr 04 10:50:40 thx Apr 04 10:51:15 RP: another one for the akita rtc saga - it didn't lose the time thru one nand backup and two flashes (to cacko and back) Apr 04 10:51:55 lrg: param is ok. but not only mod param. For build in modules is better to define a config struct and pass this via platform_data Apr 04 10:52:05 njs: can monotone do access control? :} Apr 04 10:52:55 zecke: of course, how could people complain about revoked keys? Apr 04 10:53:56 ~lart monotone and/or koen for lack of history of diet-x11 6.2.1 in .dev Apr 04 10:53:56 * ibot rm -rf's monotone and/or koen for lack of history of diet-x11 6.2.1 in .dev Apr 04 10:55:42 koen|writing: well, I would like to 'freeze' conf and classes Apr 04 10:55:43 do13, ok, that sound fine. Apr 04 10:56:14 bb in a while Apr 04 10:56:50 zecke: isn't that a matter of writing a lua hook? Apr 04 10:57:08 zecke: requiring at least 2 core devs to sign a change? Apr 04 10:57:38 via 'monotone approve ' Apr 04 10:58:26 giac is that memory eater Apr 04 10:58:29 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * raff74fc6... 10/packages/x11/ (files/xim.patch diet-x11_6.2.1.bb x11_6.2.1.bb): diet-x11: added xim.patch from .dev - now rdesktop 1.4.1 builds Apr 04 10:58:33 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r17c41edc... 10/packages/rdesktop/ (rdesktop-1.4.1/strip.patch rdesktop_1.4.1.bb): added rdesktop 1.4.1 from .dev Apr 04 10:59:05 ? Apr 04 10:59:13 ~lart gimp automake files for all being wrong Apr 04 10:59:13 * ibot chops gimp automake files in half with a free Solaris 7 CD for all being wrong Apr 04 10:59:25 morning Apr 04 11:00:01 gpe-wlancfg is not obsolete? Apr 04 11:00:21 hrw|work: it is, gpe-conf should be used Apr 04 11:00:53 XorA: heh, you found out why I added a sed statement? Apr 04 11:02:26 koen|writing: yeah, thought Id do it with a patch for stable gimp Apr 04 11:02:59 :) Apr 04 11:03:03 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rbb8df3b8... 10/packages/gpe-wlancfg/ (gpe-wlancfg-makefile.patch gpe-wlancfg_0.2.6.bb): drop gpe-wlancfg - gpe-conf is used to configure network Apr 04 11:04:29 ~lart thinkpads Apr 04 11:04:29 * ibot drops a humongous exploding nuke on thinkpads Apr 04 11:04:33 Bernardo: Strange. I wish I knew how it did it :) Apr 04 11:05:09 RP: I suspect embeddix has a voodoo priest in their office to add black magic to their products Apr 04 11:08:13 RP: so do I Apr 04 11:08:55 It didn't show the time when I reset it, but the correct time after booting into cacko, and then after restoring oz3.5.4.1 it also had the correct time Apr 04 11:09:09 hi Apr 04 11:09:57 hi obergix Apr 04 11:10:10 hey obergix[work] Apr 04 11:11:13 * obergix[work] enjoys general strike days... no money cominng, but time to hack on stuff Apr 04 11:11:21 Bernardo: It could be something updater.sh causes Apr 04 11:11:35 updater.sh? Apr 04 11:11:53 well, it's messing with the flash and stuff. who knows Apr 04 11:11:54 I just backup and restored nand images Apr 04 11:12:35 i c Apr 04 11:12:42 this time I didn't reflash, as I had both nand backups here Apr 04 11:13:01 one from cacko which I had done a couple of weeks ago, the one for oz I did now Apr 04 11:13:26 a card reader helps a lot when backing up and restoring nand copies... :) Apr 04 11:13:59 it seems the problem with the rtc is only with our shutdown Apr 04 11:33:26 schurig : Thanks. The ${KERNEL_VERSION}=2.6 was a... shorthand :) I was just wondering, whether the if ${KERNEL_VERSION} would expand correctly Apr 04 11:33:52 schurig : ...and it works Apr 04 11:34:20 Ifaistos: yes, it would. But you need if [ ... ]; then ... as syntax, and if your KERNEL_VERSION=2.6.15, then you have trouble, too Apr 04 11:34:51 2.4/2.6 can be checked by MAJOR_KERNEL_VERSION Apr 04 11:35:50 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r7c129c5c... 10/packages/libxslt/ (libxslt_1.1.7.bb libxslt_1.1.8.bb): libxslt: fixed SRC_URI Apr 04 11:35:55 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r426f329c... 10/packages/libxslt/ (libxslt_1.1.7.bb libxslt_1.1.8.bb): libxslt: fixed SRC_URI Apr 04 11:36:05 Ifaistos: try "bitbake -b -e" | less to see what variables you get. You can use them all with the ${xxxx} syntax anywhere in a .bb file Apr 04 11:36:13 Ifaistos: they get expanded BEFORE calling the shell Apr 04 11:57:21 hi ho Apr 04 11:57:27 hey mickeyl Apr 04 11:57:36 hi mickeyl Apr 04 11:57:42 moin mickeyl Apr 04 11:57:54 mickeyl: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/failed-builds.text - I'm going though you worldbuild.log Apr 04 11:57:54 hi do13. I tried to compile konqe, but it bails out with QtE (>= 3.1 <4.0) not found. Any idea? Apr 04 11:58:16 hrw|work: ah that's good. needs improvement. Apr 04 11:58:40 (the world build, that is) Apr 04 11:58:41 mickeyl: which bb are you using? Apr 04 11:58:53 do13: konqe-2005...bb Apr 04 11:58:59 is that the wrong one? Apr 04 11:59:01 wrong Apr 04 11:59:05 aah Apr 04 11:59:07 which one to use? Apr 04 11:59:46 wait a few secs Apr 04 11:59:57 hrw|work: the 404 ones should be fixed easily Apr 04 12:00:09 mickeyl: probably Apr 04 12:00:28 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r6881dd1f... 10/packages/gimp/ (gimp_2.2.7.bb gimp_2.3.3.bb gimp_2.2.10.bb): Apr 04 12:00:28 gimp_2.2.10.bb : add newest stable gimp Apr 04 12:00:28 gimp_2.2.7.bb, gimp_2.3.3.bb : drop older versions. Apr 04 12:01:01 XorA: why dropped gimp-devel? Apr 04 12:01:46 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rc10f2ae0... 10/packages/altboot/ (9 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 04 12:01:46 altboot: - Allow a basic reconfiguration of non-flash based installations: Apr 04 12:01:46 - Move /home from flash into the image Apr 04 12:01:46 - Remove SD / CF / /home ipkg dests Apr 04 12:01:46 - Move ipkg package data from RAM into the image Apr 04 12:01:46 - All of the above is _optional_ Apr 04 12:01:48 - Be a little bit less verbose. Apr 04 12:03:04 mickeyl: do you have native dcopidl? Apr 04 12:04:04 yeah, that's on my host Apr 04 12:05:34 hrw|work: only an old gimp-devel Apr 04 12:05:46 mickeyl: we should think about moving oz.org/mirror/ to sf.net mirror structure Apr 04 12:12:30 hrw|work: right. that'd be cool. Apr 04 12:15:18 mickeyl: mt pull Apr 04 12:15:57 * mickeyl mtpull Apr 04 12:19:08 3.5.4.1 release will clean 'upgrades' feed Apr 04 12:20:26 03dirk 07org.oe.dev * r6227c1f8... 10/packages/konqueror/konqueror-embedded_svn.bb: Apr 04 12:20:26 packages/konqueror: add new svn version of konqueror embedded Apr 04 12:20:26 - Needs a multithreaded qte version Apr 04 12:20:26 - To build this package dcopidl-native are needed: ASSUME_PROVIDED += "dcopidl-native" Apr 04 12:21:34 i have added a qte-mt and a qte-mt-static build Apr 04 12:21:38 + a qte include file Apr 04 12:21:53 when i get that to compile with konqe I'll commit all the stuff Apr 04 12:26:24 mickeyl: you to compile this also with exceptions Apr 04 12:27:45 yep Apr 04 12:30:16 morning Apr 04 12:58:26 How in-sync does OE stay with GPE? Apr 04 12:58:56 There are some small problems I want to fix in OZ/GPE on my 5500... should I check out GPE or OE? Apr 04 12:58:58 Or both? :) Apr 04 13:00:06 OE usually has the latest releases of GPE stuff Apr 04 13:00:09 the .dev branch that is Apr 04 13:01:19 So I should make the changes in OE and then try to push them upward? Apr 04 13:02:10 It is best to get the changes in gpe-cvs and add them as patches to the releases in OE Apr 04 13:03:17 So I make and test the changes in gpe and submit patches there. Can do. Apr 04 13:04:05 i would modify a patch file Apr 04 13:04:25 but there seems to be different patch style Apr 04 13:04:46 I'm just wondering what source tree to check out. Apr 04 13:04:57 some looks like "Index: ltt-modules-0.12/ltt-statedump.c" Apr 04 13:05:18 other like "diff --git a/sound/soc/Kconfig b/sound/soc/Kconfig" Apr 04 13:05:37 what should i searsh ( documentation ) ? Apr 04 13:06:09 Genesis, it's just different tools being used to generate the patches. Apr 04 13:06:16 It shouldn't affect the patch itself. Apr 04 13:06:35 ho Apr 04 13:11:17 i see it's git or quilt Apr 04 13:11:25 thx Apr 04 13:36:16 hm.. is it just me, or is there multiple heads on .dev? Apr 04 13:37:39 nm.. seems to be merged after a second pull. Apr 04 13:39:06 zecke: which rev of bitbake is the recommended now ? Apr 04 13:39:23 hi greentux Apr 04 13:39:28 hi hrw|work Apr 04 13:39:29 hi lrg Apr 04 13:39:30 hey greentux Apr 04 13:39:34 hi koen Apr 04 13:39:48 dunno Apr 04 13:40:16 CosmicPenguin: you metioned that dosfstools in oe has a patch to create vfat image files - can you tell me more about that? i can't find that patch in oe. Apr 04 13:41:00 lrg, your 3200 will reach me this week. hope thats help you Apr 04 13:41:30 greentux, that's great thanks :) Apr 04 13:42:30 greentux: I'm at CELF next week, so it would be quite cool if I could demonstrate ASoC in action, many thanks. Apr 04 13:42:41 lrg: so i hope next week you will recieve ist Apr 04 13:42:58 CELF? Apr 04 13:43:23 greentux, Consumer Edition Linux Forum - developer conference Apr 04 14:10:46 lrg, when do you depart to san jose? Apr 04 14:11:19 greentux, Sunday morning Apr 04 14:17:21 lrg: can try but fifty fifty Apr 04 14:17:52 thats better more horses and grazing area, yay for faulty SAP servers Apr 04 14:22:46 mickeyl: Qtopia4 is released :} Apr 04 14:23:46 zecke: wow Apr 04 14:23:46 tmbinc: thats a heady question to ask right off first thing in the morning...:) Apr 04 14:24:17 lol 60% of the pages are missing or are not yet updated Apr 04 14:24:48 tmbinc: oops, I guess thats right Apr 04 14:24:52 tmbinc: I'll try to fix that today Apr 04 14:25:09 zecke: I guess their webserver doesn't access the framebuffer directly Apr 04 14:25:36 Open Development Environment Apr 04 14:26:08 lol Apr 04 14:26:13 they skipped Qtopia 4 Apr 04 14:26:18 and are now at Qtopia4.1 Apr 04 14:26:32 zecke: not 4.1.2? Apr 04 14:26:33 *sigh* Apr 04 14:26:39 mickeyl: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.1/html/index.html Apr 04 14:26:46 mickeyl: take a look at the screenshot Apr 04 14:26:55 mickeyl: it looks like Qtopia1.4 from Sharp.. Apr 04 14:27:20 zecke: heh. i bet it is... Apr 04 14:27:26 that's what we call opaque marketing *cough* Apr 04 14:27:28 and they have revised the freesoftware section Apr 04 14:27:54 http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.1/html/community.html Apr 04 14:28:50 mickeyl: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=37 Apr 04 14:28:57 mickeyl: that would make a nice bootscrean Apr 04 14:29:32 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * re65652de... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Add zlib inflate patch which should equate to approx 10% faster flash filesystem reads and therefore also improve device boottime (5% on c760). Apr 04 14:29:32 now we see what lorn has been hired for :D Apr 04 14:29:49 RP: cool Apr 04 14:29:57 RP: added 'tun' into defconfig? Apr 04 14:30:18 Now to get this beast of a patch into mainline :) Apr 04 14:30:19 zecke: i guess no sign for a GPL version right? Apr 04 14:30:23 RP: woot! Apr 04 14:30:28 hrw|work: Did I not do that a while ago? Apr 04 14:30:38 mickeyl: let me check their ftp server Apr 04 14:30:44 just asked - do not remembeer Apr 04 14:31:01 hrw|work: Its done in 2.6.16 Apr 04 14:31:05 cool Apr 04 14:31:36 mickeyl: they look to have a clean namespace Apr 04 14:31:42 I've been waiting until I could share this code before alpha2 - should make the c7x0 and akita run a bit faster :) Apr 04 14:32:47 mickeyl: "The Qtopia Virtual Target Environment uses User Mode Linux (UML) to provide a development environment for Qtopia closely resembling target hardware. In particular, Safe Execution features may be enabled in the virtual system, leaving the host system as a regular development workstation." Apr 04 14:33:19 hmm Apr 04 14:34:32 mickeyl: why not qemu... Apr 04 14:36:26 mickeyl: anyway the documentation sucks Apr 04 14:36:33 mickeyl: you only have the 'All Classes' view Apr 04 14:36:51 RP: is your http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/zlib_inflate-r3.patch based on the work from Tiny-Linux / CE-Linux ? Apr 04 14:37:47 CosmicPenguin: don't worry :) I found out that "m(format|copy) -i" can handle image files Apr 04 14:38:00 tmbinc: oh, cool Apr 04 14:38:07 yeah - but my way is more fun Apr 04 14:38:15 I'll put the patches up this afternoon and post a URL for them Apr 04 14:38:48 CosmicPenguin: do you have a good way to create a partition table (can probably done with sfdisk easily), and insert images into the partitions? Apr 04 14:39:07 mickeyl: should we send a joint mail to qtopia-interest? Apr 04 14:39:47 do we have maintainer from meshcube alive? Apr 04 14:40:06 zecke: what for? to request a gpl version? Apr 04 14:40:08 tmbinc: we do have a pretty slick way Apr 04 14:40:29 mickeyl: to ask where the community can help Apr 04 14:40:41 zecke: hmm... do we want to help? Apr 04 14:40:49 if noone from meshcube use OE then I vote for removing anything which is fetched from their subversion server Apr 04 14:40:59 tmbinc: your requests are timely - I'm talking on these subjects at CELF next week, so I'm preparing all these tools to be posted to the community Apr 04 14:41:05 mickeyl: at least we tried then :) Apr 04 14:41:10 hrw|work: meshcube is maintained. Apr 04 14:41:11 In fact, thats the only thing on my todo list today.. :) Apr 04 14:41:29 hrw|work: I can pester the new maintainer to take care about the problems. Apr 04 14:41:36 zecke: fair enough. Apr 04 14:41:45 mickeyl: there have been three Qtopia releases already :} Apr 04 14:41:52 http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.1/html/release-index.html Apr 04 14:42:01 CosmicPenguin: great :) Apr 04 14:42:29 zecke: and exactly that's depressing me, because it kicks us in the ass. We are of no use for them Apr 04 14:44:20 mickeyl: ok Apr 04 14:47:45 mickeyl: well, this is why CELF et all are using Gtk+ Apr 04 14:48:57 i don' t like trolltech , it's why i want to port i.mx21 on OE but it's not easy :/ Apr 04 14:49:15 ( it was selling with CELinux & qtopia ) Apr 04 14:49:18 my homepage is 1st hit on google "trolltech sucks" Apr 04 14:49:24 zecke: anyway, i'd like to see qtopia 4.1 in action Apr 04 14:49:25 hehe Apr 04 14:49:27 yeah :) Apr 04 14:49:27 mickeyl: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.1/html/qwstslibmousehandler.html Apr 04 14:49:38 ljp: for when are the GPL releases planned? Apr 04 14:49:44 mickeyl: I like this one. It does not honor /etc/ts.conf Apr 04 14:49:53 mickeyl: and implements dejittering in Qtopia Core again Apr 04 14:50:15 heh Apr 04 14:50:17 Copyright © $THISYEAR$ Trolltech Apr 04 14:50:45 mickeyl: and well it doesn't do median smapling on raw reads - as 'my' code in Qtopia Core was broken and lorn blocked fixes Apr 04 14:50:50 mickeyl: right 2006 Apr 04 14:51:02 mickeyl: well, and it still has calibration issues Apr 04 14:51:45 anyway I think I will apply for QtE hacking/tuning - if I don't get a job for X.org hacking Apr 04 14:52:09 schurig: No, this is my own work Apr 04 14:52:21 RP: what is it for, then? Apr 04 14:55:24 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6a0b4707... 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-gentium_1.02.bb: ttf-gentium: Debian moved it from non-free to main so I fixed SRC_URI Apr 04 14:55:28 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ra7533fe1... 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ (ttf-dejavu_2.3.bb ttf-gentium_1.02.bb): ttf-gentium: Debian moved it from non-free to main so I fixed SRC_URI Apr 04 14:55:56 schurig: Do you mean why am I working on it? Apr 04 14:56:23 RP: maybe. I want to know what the patch makes without reading 145 kB :-) Apr 04 14:56:56 schurig: "rpurdie org.oe.dev * re65652de... /packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Add zlib inflate patch which should equate to approx 10% faster flash filesystem reads and therefore also improve device boottime (5% on c760). Apr 04 14:57:00 " Apr 04 14:57:15 schurig: I'm about to post it to LKML which will give more details as well Apr 04 14:57:22 RP, : i try since yesterday to correct the bug on the lttng packet ( first bug when i try bitbake world on poky ) Apr 04 14:57:26 RP: sounds nice :-) Apr 04 14:57:27 i learn a bit quilt Apr 04 14:57:58 RP: as said before, I have seen reworkings of the inflate code either in linux-tiny or ce-linux, not sure about that. Maybe this is of interest for you. Apr 04 14:57:58 do_install() has no error Apr 04 14:58:12 Genesis: bitbake world is probably pointless in poky Apr 04 14:58:19 oki Apr 04 14:58:31 i just would like to help and learn debug OE Apr 04 14:58:41 RP: however, there haven't been a linux-tiny patch for a while, the authors are trying to get as much into mainline as possible. Apr 04 14:58:44 Genesis: OE != poky Apr 04 14:58:53 it's easier isn't it ? Apr 04 14:58:58 schurig: This has nothing to do with them Apr 04 14:59:25 Genesis: There are 3000 .bb files in OE and only 300 in poky Apr 04 14:59:40 i just need minimo & a player Apr 04 14:59:41 RP: i know, but they claimed to have made inflate faster & smaller, I just wasn't to apply their patches because of rejects that I didn't have the time to resolve Apr 04 15:00:08 schurig: It's a shame I didn't know of their work :-/. Still, I suspect this patch does something similar Apr 04 15:01:20 RP: part of it was in lwn: http://lwn.net/Articles/155059/, part of their work is in their wiki Apr 04 15:02:09 RP: err, in the wiki of the CE Linux Forum Apr 04 15:02:41 schurig: I'll have a look at that, thanks Apr 04 15:02:53 koen: what bitbake are you at for angstrom ? Apr 04 15:03:34 ade|desk: Last Changed Rev: 423 Apr 04 15:03:49 ade|desk: but packages.bbclass is broken in .dev Apr 04 15:04:10 ah i wondered why i was getting huge huge errors Apr 04 15:09:16 koen: why did JustinP broke it (package.bbclass)? Apr 04 15:09:43 zecke: probably to fix some issue with e17 stuff Apr 04 15:09:55 koen: 'fix' Apr 04 15:10:05 zecke: let's wait till he is online again and discuss how to fix it Apr 04 15:10:52 gah Apr 04 15:10:53 gah Apr 04 15:10:54 gah Apr 04 15:11:03 koen: why not disapprove :} Apr 04 15:11:11 koen: no, no, no reject it first then stay offline a while then discuss on ml a week later Apr 04 15:11:32 The issue is JustinP claims its acceptable to have multiple idential package names in PACKAGES Apr 04 15:11:52 (which it isn't IMO) Apr 04 15:14:15 RP: why didn't he bother to compile glibc? Apr 04 15:14:41 zecke: You don't actually expect people to test their commits do you? :) Apr 04 15:15:06 RP: I'm about to take my iron fist and but a strong policy on classes and conf Apr 04 15:15:16 of course not, isn't that what version control is for? :) Apr 04 15:15:48 e.g. classes and conf can only be fetched after signing a contract with me :} Apr 04 15:15:57 zecke: Given the breakages we've seen there recently, I agree people need to be more careful :-/ (see the recent kernel.bbclass bug I fixed) Apr 04 15:17:50 * zecke lost his concentration and heds home Apr 04 15:18:39 i propose to define a 'core' area where changes can only go after discussing / proposal on mailing list. This core area should be as much as necessary, but as small as possible. Parts of it would be most classes, base-files, libc's, toolchains and similar stuff Apr 04 15:20:09 agree Apr 04 15:20:27 mickeyl: how about all stuff to make task-boostrap Apr 04 15:20:29 also agreed Apr 04 15:20:58 ade|desk, doesn't sound like 'as small as possible' Apr 04 15:22:15 polyonymous: it sounds like as much as necessary Apr 04 15:22:29 mickeyl: how about mandating that it should have at least two 'monotone approves'? Apr 04 15:22:34 the whole task-bootstrap? Apr 04 15:22:45 mickeyl: or a seperate branch for core stuff, which is tightly controlled Apr 04 15:27:10 I'm not sure. We need to find a proper balance between annoyance, ease-of-change and safety. I don't want to "overformalize" the process. Apr 04 15:28:17 koen: just hard penalties Apr 04 15:28:21 luckilly BBPATH can contain multiple trees, so a seperate "branch" for core stuff is just as easy as everything in one bucket from the user side Apr 04 15:28:54 Except for people having to keep two branches uptodate :-/ Apr 04 15:29:06 it would confuse the living daylights out of users :-/ Apr 04 15:29:15 *nod* we have already too many branches imo Apr 04 15:30:24 the core branch and non-core branch would not have overlapping sets Apr 04 15:31:29 still, that makes it harder for non devels Apr 04 15:32:16 zecke: with the benefit of less breakages Apr 04 15:33:12 koen: well, the devs are breaking it :) Apr 04 15:33:21 koen: the devs should be punished Apr 04 15:33:42 right Apr 04 15:33:47 all fear the Iron Fist of Zecke Apr 04 15:34:12 we have some people that like to 'push' 'fixes' to *.bb Apr 04 15:34:16 that has to stop Apr 04 15:34:35 that is non-social behaviour :) Apr 04 15:35:25 cya, I can't focus ATM Apr 04 15:36:32 something completely different: we need to have a bug day soon Apr 04 15:36:39 BSP? Apr 04 15:37:07 Bug Squashing Party Apr 04 15:37:20 it doesn't need to be a party Apr 04 15:37:37 just one day where a lot of us go trough bugzilla Apr 04 15:37:40 We do need a patch applying session... Apr 04 15:37:59 koen: bsp is debian name Apr 04 15:46:46 email to oe@ sent Apr 04 15:47:18 received Apr 04 15:48:06 IMH there are a couple of things need it for these type of development to work... Apr 04 15:48:34 clear and defined roles for the developers -> who gets to handle/push/fix what Apr 04 15:49:16 Ifaistos: maintaince you mean? Apr 04 15:49:17 and developers that actually spend sometime maintaing ;) Apr 04 15:49:24 yes Apr 04 15:49:42 Ifaistos: with 3000 recipes and ~20 devs it is hard to maintain Apr 04 15:51:15 Speaking about breakage... NameError: global name 'set' is not defined - any ideas? Apr 04 15:51:27 When attempting to bitbake an opie-image. Apr 04 15:52:59 hrw|work : i can understand that that's why you need clear and defined roles Apr 04 15:56:30 \gone Apr 04 16:08:06 cu Apr 04 16:10:54 jnc: can you write WPA howto for OZ 3.5.4x? Apr 04 16:10:59 time to go home Apr 04 16:16:34 hi all. I'm getting trouble trying to compile browsers (firefox and konqueror) for MIPS. Apr 04 16:20:57 anyone has any ideia about other browsers that should work fine on it? Apr 04 16:24:31 bye Apr 04 16:26:15 hehe just seen a df on this box : tmpfs 1.9G 52K 1.9G 1% /dev Apr 04 17:29:54 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * rd48f265f... 10/classes/package.bbclass: disapproval of revision 'b7326fa2f47e0d1df4fc54428bf5d903b1042483' Apr 04 17:31:11 RP: I don't agree at all. And please stop telling me to "fix efl". This is meant as a general sanity check. Apr 04 17:31:35 RP: on top of which, no-one ever offered me a workaround for the problems I was having (and still have) Apr 04 18:05:56 03mreimer 07org.oe.dev * r8155b665... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_cvs.bb: Apr 04 18:05:56 handhelds-pxa-2.6_cvs.bb: Remove patches that have been applied to Apr 04 18:05:56 handhelds.org CVS: Apr 04 18:05:56 ide_not_removable-r0.patch Apr 04 18:05:57 block-pio.patch Apr 04 18:12:12 What is the status of the scm wars? Apr 04 18:13:09 we're still using monotone Apr 04 18:13:18 that I know Apr 04 18:13:28 AFAIK no one has actually said anything about what they've found about the other SCMs Apr 04 18:13:44 I suspect that they all suck in different ways Apr 04 18:13:47 I personally think monotone is great and doesn't need to be replaced Apr 04 18:14:06 the only thing that might make me happier would be svn Apr 04 18:14:15 but only because I am good at it Apr 04 18:14:21 blech Apr 04 18:14:28 heh Apr 04 18:14:28 not for this kind of thing Apr 04 18:14:40 even with svk? Apr 04 18:14:41 svk maybe, but I don't trust it as much... Apr 04 18:14:56 * JustinP is just happy with monotone Apr 04 18:15:13 and I like that it's its own thing, not built on top of or as a direct replacement of older systems Apr 04 18:15:43 JustinP: ask zecke, he has detailed info on the good/bad aspects of all of them Apr 04 18:15:55 has anyone foole with the latest pre for the next version? Apr 04 18:17:10 someone tested one of the earlier 0.36 pres....was much faster and such Apr 04 18:17:13 0.26 Apr 04 18:19:53 morning kergoth, ph5 Apr 04 18:20:20 hi pb Apr 04 18:20:30 morning pb, hey everyone Apr 04 18:20:32 hi woglinde Apr 04 18:45:09 hi Apr 04 18:45:27 hi hrw|husky Apr 04 18:45:59 monotone is nice but still lack cherrypicker... Apr 04 18:46:24 and copy too Apr 04 18:47:06 copy as -make a copy with history-? Apr 04 18:48:28 yeah Apr 04 18:48:35 IIRC monotone only does renames right now Apr 04 18:48:38 could be nice Apr 04 18:55:11 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * re6167f90... 10/packages/strace/ (strace-4.5.14/arm-eabi.patch strace_4.5.14.bb): strace: add 4.5.14, arm-eabi patch by drow Apr 04 18:55:15 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r655f5a13... 10/classes/base.bbclass: base.bbclass: make oe_libinstall fix references to .la files in Apr 04 18:55:49 pH5: thats that ,no tmp/work, stuff? Apr 04 18:56:05 uh. "in ${WORKDIR}", didn't escape that properly Apr 04 18:56:08 hrw|husky: yes Apr 04 18:56:28 have to add it to .oz345x soon Apr 04 18:56:43 should gpe-image in .dev be buildable presently? Apr 04 18:56:48 then rebuild of 3541a2 Apr 04 18:57:04 mreimer: I built my last one two days ago. Apr 04 18:57:16 * hrw|husky is out of .dev Apr 04 18:57:21 pH5: are you using familiar-unstable for DISTRO? Apr 04 18:57:26 I'm getting: ERROR: Exception:exceptions.NameError Message:global name 'set' is not defined Apr 04 18:57:31 with latest bitbake from svn Apr 04 18:57:35 mreimer: rm cache Apr 04 18:57:36 mreimer: update your OE Apr 04 18:57:43 yeah, and maybe cache Apr 04 18:57:52 I removed the set() thihng Apr 04 18:57:53 I just did mt update and rm -r tmp Apr 04 18:58:01 I'll update again then Apr 04 18:58:03 no idea why it fails for some people.... Apr 04 18:58:09 been working fine for me for a long time Apr 04 18:58:11 mt pull,merge,update? Apr 04 18:58:16 will try Apr 04 18:58:23 mreimer: I just merged your and JustinP's heads, so just try again. Apr 04 18:58:36 ok. thanks for the help Apr 04 18:58:44 pH5: how's the eabi stuff coming along? Apr 04 18:58:58 pH5: looks like we may have wifi and better power consumption on hx4700 soon Apr 04 18:59:18 mreimer: nice Apr 04 18:59:20 feels kind of funny to have my head merged with Justin's Apr 04 18:59:30 ouch :) Apr 04 18:59:31 kinda creepy Apr 04 18:59:39 no offense JustinP Apr 04 19:00:45 ~seen zecke Apr 04 19:00:51 I thought it was all merged when I pushed... Apr 04 19:00:54 zecke was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 3h 25m 29s ago, saying: 'cya, I can't focus ATM'. Apr 04 19:04:21 mreimer: I'm just starting to play again with my eabi build. my current problems are that I'm somehow missing XShm support in the X server and I get many new alignment trap errors. Apr 04 19:05:07 pH5: I suppose the latter is due to toolchain issues? Apr 04 19:05:43 Also I keep rebooting that ipaq because of "PAQ flash bank 1: Waiting for chip to be ready timed out." when trying to write to flash sometimes. Apr 04 19:05:53 mreimer: I don't know yet. Apr 04 19:06:19 pH5: that flash bug still exists? :-( Apr 04 19:06:42 pH5: if it helps, you can use a CF or SD rootfs Apr 04 19:06:55 pH5: that's what I'm doing for hx4700 pm work Apr 04 19:06:57 cu Apr 04 19:07:06 bye hrw|gone Apr 04 19:07:12 mreimer: Yeah, unfortunately my shiny new microdrive stopped working after just two weeks. Apr 04 19:07:41 bummer Apr 04 19:08:16 mreimer: do you remember any patches regarding those flash errors? Apr 04 19:08:52 I don't recall specifically, though I do know tnb has made some flash-related commits in the last month or two Apr 04 19:17:53 hi koen|gprs Apr 04 19:17:59 * pH5 thinks that he might still be using ipaq-flash instead of hx4700-flash Apr 04 19:18:14 pH5: ah, that might do it Apr 04 19:18:21 mreimer: thanks for the hint :) Apr 04 19:18:29 hey mreimer & ph5 Apr 04 19:18:37 pH5: you're welcome. hope it helps Apr 04 19:18:39 hey koen|gprs Apr 04 19:19:08 talking about flash, did you see RP's commit of the new zlib code for the kernel? Apr 04 19:20:20 koen|gprs: yes, I did. always nice to find free speed Apr 04 19:20:39 ~seen RP Apr 04 19:20:52 rp is currently on #gpe #oe #openzaurus #handhelds.org. Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 3h 43m 13s, last said: 'We do need a patch applying session...'. Apr 04 19:22:40 hmmm, bug #810 looks like a duplicate Apr 04 19:23:23 mreimer: is the little one a bit quieter during the nights yet? Apr 04 19:24:05 RP: I've update and build a new tslib but there an issue of config, how did we fix the problem of 'ts_open: No such file' ?? Apr 04 19:24:59 mreimer: there were also some commit in .dev to unbreak udev, which might be interesting for the h2210 Apr 04 19:25:58 koen|gprs: yes, she's sleeping pretty well, usually getting up once about 2 or 3, then again around 6. But last night out 2.5 year old tag-teamed his sister and decided to get sick and throw up all night. :-O Apr 04 19:26:23 D'oh Apr 04 19:26:37 gnn. with that eabi patch, strace correctly displays the first syscall (execve) but then goes bye-bye with "syscall: unknown syscall trap 0xe5bcf814" Apr 04 19:27:03 pH5: time to ask the csl people for more patches? Apr 04 19:27:15 koen|gprs: how's angstrom treating you? Apr 04 19:27:45 I still haven't actually booted it due to various problems Apr 04 19:28:25 like disappearing cf cards, serial cables, etc Apr 04 19:28:44 koen|gprs: heh. that's okay. I've booted it often enough due to various problems. Apr 04 19:29:19 but now that I've cleaned up my desk, I'm good to go :) Apr 04 19:29:36 who all is working on angstrom atm? Apr 04 19:34:33 mreimer: pH5, mickeyl and me mostly Apr 04 19:34:43 mreimer: and indirectly everyone working on OE :) Apr 04 19:34:56 :-) Apr 04 19:44:13 cedric_: It was opening the wrong ts device if I remember rightly? (event0 instead of event1) Apr 04 19:44:18 pH5: i needed to talk to you about something, but now i can't remember. its either about x11 or java in oe Apr 04 19:45:31 RP: join #poodle Apr 04 19:46:24 JustinP: If you explain your problem on oe@ perhaps someone can find the correct way to fix it Apr 04 19:49:32 TheMasterMind1: I can't remember either, sorry. Apr 04 19:49:40 cedric_: use detect-stylus to find the correct ts-dev Apr 04 19:51:21 pH5: which one do you maintain? Apr 04 19:52:31 TheMasterMind1: neither. but given that I didn't touch java, it's probably about x11. Apr 04 19:54:11 later all Apr 04 19:55:32 alright, well i was trying to add xorg-server to OE and thought it would make more sense to have the different bb files in directories corresponding to what module they belong to.. i.e. x11-{apps,libs,fonts,data,proto} instead of the current xlibs xproto Apr 04 19:58:29 TheMasterMind1: so you propose to rename xlibs to x11-libs and xproto to x11-proto? This would be an issue for the mailing list. Apr 04 19:59:29 This is probably a dumb question : Apr 04 19:59:39 oops, wrong place. :) Apr 04 20:00:06 pH5: alright Apr 04 20:00:13 jsun: This is actually a statement :) Apr 04 20:01:10 hehe Apr 04 20:01:38 ok, here is a real question :) Apr 04 20:01:52 I have built bootstrap-image for h3900 and it works. Apr 04 20:02:07 How do I add a couple of more packages to this image? Apr 04 20:02:18 RP: and I still don't understand what's wrong with checking for sanity here....package.bbclass will incorrectly empty out the package if it happens to be in PACKAGES twice Apr 04 20:02:21 mickeyl: I have been pushing for the gpl release. cant say when it will be Apr 04 20:03:28 JustinP: I'd be happy if it errored out instead of continuing. The continuing bit is what I took issue with and I misunderstood the indent of the patch because of that Apr 04 20:03:37 JustinP: I'm replying on oe@ Apr 04 20:03:54 ok Apr 04 20:04:14 zecke: the tslib calibrate sampling bits do not work as far as I can see, and customers dont have a working touchscreen after they calibrate. this is why I commented out that line Apr 04 20:07:01 jsun: just add them to BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS somewhere? Apr 04 20:07:24 like in conf/local.conf? Apr 04 20:08:41 oh, in the machine/xxx.conf, I suppose. Apr 04 20:10:18 jsun: for machines that do BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "...", adding it to local.conf should be fine, too. Apr 04 20:11:08 ok, will give it a try. adding to conf/local.conf seems to be more clean ... Apr 04 20:15:22 Hi, does any one tried to compile an arm toolchain with gcc4.1 and glibc2.4 ? Apr 04 20:15:46 cromain: yes Apr 04 20:15:57 I've some difficulties with crossdev (Gentoo) and I'd like to know if bitbake can help me Apr 04 20:16:28 pH5: what tool do you use: crossdev, crosstool, all by hand ? Apr 04 20:16:44 cromain: OE builds toolchains Apr 04 20:16:57 cromain: bitbake Apr 04 20:17:04 I'm quite new to OE, sorry Apr 04 20:17:23 ok, thanks Apr 04 20:18:20 I've just installed bitbake but don't know so much how it works Apr 04 20:18:32 it seems like a portage in Gentoo Apr 04 20:18:52 do I need to create my own bitbake file to build such a toolchain ? Apr 04 20:18:56 you can install it via portage, yes Apr 04 20:19:03 done :) Apr 04 20:19:04 I suggest using the "from SVN" version, though, -9999 Apr 04 20:19:12 done too :) Apr 04 20:19:15 ok Apr 04 20:19:21 now you need OE Apr 04 20:19:35 not done yet Apr 04 20:19:41 see the wiki Apr 04 20:19:46 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted Apr 04 20:20:06 pH5: thx Apr 04 20:20:14 ok, thanks ! Apr 04 20:29:04 RP: well :) Apr 04 20:29:26 zecke: well what? :) Apr 04 20:29:36 RP: well, Apr 04 20:29:43 RP: well, I have an idea :) Apr 04 20:29:57 RP: We will kill the cache in its current form Apr 04 20:30:09 RP: instead we will just save the necessary information Apr 04 20:30:22 zecke: I wondered about just caching .inc and .bbclass files? Apr 04 20:30:28 RP: PR, PV, PN, DEPENDS and the depencies (functions, other vars) Apr 04 20:30:43 zecke: That was what I was suggesting the other day Apr 04 20:30:48 RP: the point is to cache the dependencies as well Apr 04 20:30:56 is tehre still a way to se the locale so that I only get the locales I want in an image and not all of them...or do I need to worry about that anymore... Apr 04 20:30:57 RP: right, I'm stealing.. aeh leveraging my work Apr 04 20:31:16 nevarrie: that depends, all locales will be available Apr 04 20:31:19 zecke: Yes, we need to cache the file dependencies. That shouldn't be too difficult though? Apr 04 20:31:32 nevarrie: but you select which ones to install Apr 04 20:31:42 RP: I think we will have one cache file Apr 04 20:31:55 RP: { 'filename' : data_smart } dictionary Apr 04 20:32:03 zecke: It doesn't really matter about the number of files, just the size of them Apr 04 20:32:09 RP: if mtime is 'sane' we will use this information Apr 04 20:32:12 zecke: Its the size that crippling things atm Apr 04 20:32:38 RP: We currently see stuff like "Well do touch conf/local.conf and see what changes" Apr 04 20:32:54 RP: and we avoid this problem by not having the cache at all :) Apr 04 20:33:20 zecke: True. That is a nice advantage :) Apr 04 20:33:22 RP: we just need a way to save the necessary stuff, unexpanded, unupdated Apr 04 20:33:34 RP: so we just need to place local. Apr 04 20:33:37 zecke: I am just remembering that I used a locale setting in my config files over a year ago when I was usign OE...I did nto see anythign like it now and was not even sure if ti was needed or if my memory is confusing things again... Apr 04 20:33:41 conf and base.bbclass underneath Apr 04 20:34:07 zecke: if you're working on parsing and caching and such....do you know if there's a runtime way to know what files a bbfile depends on? Apr 04 20:34:34 zecke: i.e. which it includes/inherits? I was trying to add support to the reparse command in the shell for reparsing bbclasses and includes but didn't know where to look Apr 04 20:34:39 JustinP: what files? e.g. which inherited classes? Apr 04 20:34:48 JustinP: you can ask it which stuff it inherits Apr 04 20:34:55 JustinP: but there is no way for includes Apr 04 20:35:28 zecke: so the parser doesn't store that info anywhere? Apr 04 20:35:40 zecke: if I reparse a bbfile which has an include will the inc be reparsed as well? Apr 04 20:35:45 zecke: suppose I should just try it... Apr 04 20:35:53 didn't think it was, though Apr 04 20:36:02 JustinP: yes, but 'methods' are tricky Apr 04 20:36:21 JustinP: it will not 'restablish' your global method Apr 04 20:36:59 hmmmm Apr 04 20:37:17 RP: I think I will toy with bitbake this weekend and see how far I get with caching Apr 04 20:37:37 JustinP: it is a matter of saving 50% time when parsing Apr 04 20:37:40 so if a change was made to....something...it wouldn't be recreated properly? Apr 04 20:38:01 not sure if you're saying that reparsing simply won't work... Apr 04 20:38:05 zecke: I keep hoping to play with bitbake myself :-/ Apr 04 20:38:06 (in all cases) Apr 04 20:38:27 zecke: I should probably make oz-3.5.4.1-alpha2 a priority :-/ Apr 04 20:38:33 JustinP: conf/local.conf and base.bbclass are special Apr 04 20:38:37 RP: right! Apr 04 20:39:09 JustinP: they will be reparsed always (when you reparse everything) Apr 04 20:39:24 zecke: hmmm, nope, includes are not "reparsed"....so they're cached independently I assume? (or is this what you meant by global methods?) Apr 04 20:39:37 wait Apr 04 20:39:47 nm Apr 04 20:39:50 yes, they are reparsed Apr 04 20:39:56 fun Apr 04 20:40:07 should take out that check for file mod time Apr 04 20:41:39 except that's part of the cooker.....:-P Apr 04 20:45:29 is current bitbake working? Apr 04 20:45:46 I remember hearing that it was broken a bit ago....haven't updated in a bit because of that Apr 04 20:47:12 JustinP: it should work :) Apr 04 20:48:29 ok Apr 04 20:48:49 grrr....damn it Apr 04 20:48:57 edje is working fine in oz354x Apr 04 20:49:04 just not in dev Apr 04 20:49:10 * JustinP suspects lib problems Apr 04 20:49:28 lib path Apr 04 20:49:57 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r4ad70d03... 10/packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel/2.6.16/defconfig: Apr 04 20:49:57 ixp4xx-kernel: accidently touched defconfig and checked in my modified version Apr 04 20:49:57 yesterday; reverting my changes. Apologies for any inconvenience! Apr 04 20:54:35 * chouimat is away: pub Apr 04 21:07:52 Who is eFfeM? Apr 04 21:08:35 the one who touched defconfig :) Apr 04 21:12:30 RP: Crofton IIRC Apr 04 21:13:06 hmm Apr 04 21:13:25 Crofton: no you're not effeM? Apr 04 21:13:47 No Apr 04 21:13:54 I don't think so at least Apr 04 21:14:06 oh sorry Apr 04 21:17:11 I don't know, but he seems to be making new heads all over the place (and based on old revisions) Apr 04 21:17:19 annoying... Apr 04 21:17:38 I would have merged, but it caused a conflict in glibc... Apr 04 21:17:41 perhaps --lca.... Apr 04 21:17:43 okay, cya Apr 04 21:20:30 merged Apr 04 21:20:37 ~lart effem Apr 04 21:20:38 * ibot slaps effem upside the head with a wet fish Apr 04 21:37:10 hi Apr 04 21:37:49 hi CoreDump|home Apr 04 21:39:00 CoreDump: hi, tested patch. for ipkg-link. Apr 04 21:39:11 CoreDump: looks fine. you Apr 04 21:39:23 jayja1: excellent Apr 04 21:39:32 CoreDump: in can be filed to .dev und .oz354x Apr 04 21:39:49 CoreDump: good idea to check against lib. Apr 04 21:40:37 BTW. What is coreutils for. Installed it, but it messed up my whole system. Apr 04 21:41:00 is it something like busybox stuff, but more space-hungry ? Apr 04 21:41:35 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r11eb1d46... 10/packages/gtkhtml2/gtkhtml2_cvs.bb: Add gtkgtml2 (cvs) from poky Apr 04 21:41:39 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf175718f... 10/packages/web/web_svn.bb: Add web (svn) from poky Apr 04 21:41:42 screw the lib check, your linking patch is going to fix a ton of problems for (dumb, VFAT using) users =) Apr 04 21:41:43 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf1ada335... 10/packages/bash/ (bash-3.0/bash-3.0-fixes.patch bash_3.0.bb): bash 3.0: Add various fixes from upstream (from Stelios Koroneos #767) Apr 04 21:41:47 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rc49f612c... 10/packages/bash/bash_3.0.bb: bash 3.0: Bump PR Apr 04 21:41:51 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rb50f2517... 10/packages/iperf/iperf_2.0.2.bb: iperf: Add 2.0.2 (from Stelios Koroneos #774) Apr 04 21:41:56 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rab41e679... 10/packages/cpusage/ (cpusage-0.1/cpusage.patch cpusage_0.1.bb cpusage_0.2.bb): cpusage: Add 0.1 and 0.2 (from Stelios Koroneos #775) Apr 04 21:42:44 CoreDump:: thx. Apr 04 21:43:06 CoreDump: the altboot - loader is yours. right ? Rewrite from altboot.exe Apr 04 21:43:08 ?? Apr 04 21:43:29 yes and no. I do not know any "altboot.exe" Apr 04 21:44:09 CoreDump: hehe. So must be something different. Apr 04 21:44:25 CoreDump: did you write it from scratch ? Apr 04 21:44:29 yep Apr 04 21:44:37 CoreDump: Cool. Apr 04 21:44:41 got the idea from rboot tho Apr 04 21:44:54 CoreDump: many hours of dev I guess ;o) Apr 04 21:45:23 too many to count, busybox's SH can be such a pain :) Apr 04 21:46:04 CoreDump: SH = shell ? Apr 04 21:46:05 which reminds me that altboot on collie needs some love :\ Apr 04 21:46:20 yes, the bash replacement we use in OZ Apr 04 21:46:28 CoreDump: you mean development love ? Apr 04 21:46:41 s/love/debugging Apr 04 21:46:51 love and care :) Apr 04 21:46:59 ~TLC Apr 04 21:47:02 extra, extra, read all about it, tlc is short for "Tender Love and Care" - or what OZ and OE need plenty of. "Texas Land and Cattle" Apr 04 21:47:14 ~botsnack Apr 04 21:47:14 CoreDump|home: thanks Apr 04 21:47:19 Didn't know that, figured myself :) Apr 04 21:47:20 ibot: hehe Apr 04 21:47:21 somebody said hehe was eheh Apr 04 21:47:43 CoreDump: s/love/debugging Apr 04 21:47:57 CoreDump: *kewl* regex guys around Apr 04 21:48:11 * CoreDump|home hugs sed Apr 04 21:48:34 CoreDump: heh Apr 04 21:49:16 CoreDump: what are the probs concerning altboot on collie ?= Apr 04 21:50:08 some error messages on boot caused by busybox on some devices due to STDIN /STDOUT beeing redirected Apr 04 21:50:49 CoreDump :: you mean that error on first boot after flashing ? Apr 04 21:51:06 yep Apr 04 21:51:18 CoreDump :: STDOUT / -IN > redirected too ? Apr 04 21:52:04 jayja1: at that early state (after the kernel runs altboot) stdout and stderr are not guaranteed to be directed at your VT Apr 04 21:52:20 you are _forced_ to redirect both to it. Apr 04 21:52:48 CoreDump: what you mean with forced ? By coding ? Apr 04 21:53:02 CoreDump: or the way it should be to work correctly ? Apr 04 21:54:35 CoreDump: so the password stuff is a workaround for problem ? Apr 04 21:54:44 i mean, if you do not redirect, you are not always getting the output you expect. sometimes STDOUT is borked (echo "blahh" won't show up), then STDERR is b0rked (_no_ error messages of failed commands) another time STDIN doesn't work (read junk doesn't read anything) Apr 04 21:55:29 the password has nothing to do with it at all. It is a general problem of running a script at this early stage. Apr 04 21:55:52 CoreDump:: any hint or ideas, where this problem could come from ? Apr 04 21:56:02 CoreDump: general bug in busybox? Apr 04 21:56:31 CoreDump: The STDIN error always behaves the same, doesn't it. Everytime after flashing it occurs. Apr 04 21:57:14 CoreDump:: or did I miss this bus ;o( Apr 04 21:57:58 nope, no idea yet. didn't really look into the issue yet Apr 04 21:58:06 o.k. Apr 04 21:58:14 CoreDump:: o.k. Apr 04 21:59:27 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rabf4a17f... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs/ (NOTES README): unslung-rootfs: Updated README and NOTES for Unslung 6.8-beta release. Apr 04 21:59:31 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r0185cf2d... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs/README: unslung-rootfs: Updated README with new wiki links. Apr 04 22:10:40 argh Apr 04 22:10:49 anyone around who can help me with some oe_libinstall calls? Apr 04 22:11:43 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r80ca99cd... 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (ipkg-link/link-vfat-libs.patch ipkg-link_1.6cvs.bb): ipkg-uitls/ipkg-link: Add a nifty little patch unborking the symlinking of libs installed on VFAT media. Courtesy jayja1 @ #openzaurus Apr 04 22:11:48 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd9c91a2b... 10/packages/konqueror/ (files/inject-extraflags.patch konqueror-embedded_svn.bb): konqueror-embedded: make svn version use libqte-mt-static (for now) Apr 04 22:11:52 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1a727f78... 10/packages/qte/ (5 files in 2 dirs): qte 2.3.10: add mt version, add mt-static version, factor out common things into .inc Apr 04 22:11:56 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r462f9eb4... 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (ipkg-link/link-vfat-libs.patch ipkg-link_1.6+cvs20050404.bb): ipkg-utils/ipkg-link: Add patch from .oz354x Apr 04 22:12:12 man... just pulled and updated... Apr 04 22:12:37 hmm eeek Apr 04 22:12:43 * mickeyl doing a nasty merge Apr 04 22:13:03 mickeyl: --lca? Apr 04 22:13:16 jayja1: there you go ;) Apr 04 22:13:30 JustinP: good idea, but too late. I hand merged it :/ Apr 04 22:13:37 ~lart meld Apr 04 22:13:38 * ibot steals meld's mojo Apr 04 22:13:52 if I ever get manual merges I always break and try --lca Apr 04 22:14:07 mickeyl: care to lend your hand with some oe_libinstall? Apr 04 22:14:40 sure when i can Apr 04 22:14:49 busy now? Apr 04 22:15:09 5 mins away from bed, go ahead :) Apr 04 22:15:18 I figured out why edje-native is acting up Apr 04 22:15:27 they split out the different engines into loadable modules Apr 04 22:15:37 I have no idea how to (correctly) stage the libs.... Apr 04 22:15:54 sorry, evas has modules, not edje Apr 04 22:16:00 yeah i heard about that Apr 04 22:16:20 Does any one succeed to emerge monotone ? Either monotone.0.19 or monotone.0.25 failed: "i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) ..." Apr 04 22:16:20 first you need to figure out where evas is looking for those Apr 04 22:16:32 I'm using gcc.3.4.4 Apr 04 22:16:36 cromain: amd64? Apr 04 22:16:41 non, x86 Apr 04 22:16:50 cromain: emerges fine for me Apr 04 22:16:57 cromain: little memory? Apr 04 22:17:02 1Go Apr 04 22:17:08 mickeyl: well....I'm pretty sure that it's just not being staged... Apr 04 22:17:30 ok, so you know where they need to go? Apr 04 22:17:34 cromain, emerged no problem. Apr 04 22:17:37 mickeyl: yeah Apr 04 22:17:39 in that case do_stage_append Apr 04 22:17:51 mickeyl: but I don't know how to call oe_libinstall... Apr 04 22:17:54 Before failing, HD is really on charge (sorry for my bad english) Apr 04 22:17:54 aaah Apr 04 22:18:23 cromain, maybe it's indeed internal error? :) Apr 04 22:18:31 src/modules/engines/buffer/module.la Apr 04 22:18:42 that's in src, of course, not installed Apr 04 22:18:47 hmm Apr 04 22:18:48 la? Apr 04 22:18:50 no a? Apr 04 22:18:52 or so? Apr 04 22:18:53 polyonymous: what can I do ? trying another gcc ? Apr 04 22:19:03 No idea, cromain... Apr 04 22:19:03 no a or so in the src dir, no Apr 04 22:19:12 I assume that's done on install... Apr 04 22:19:20 argh right Apr 04 22:19:25 cromain: You're not running gentoo through vmware or colinux, are you? Apr 04 22:19:31 cromain, have you, btw, added monotone to package.keywords? Apr 04 22:19:35 NAiL: no Apr 04 22:19:44 in that case i'm afraid we need to install them into a temp area and then use oe_libinstall Apr 04 22:19:50 like we do in autotools_stage_all Apr 04 22:19:57 polyonymous: I tried the stable (0.19) version Apr 04 22:20:12 cromain, but for OE you'll need ~x86 Apr 04 22:20:14 then on failure I tried the ~arch one (0.25) Apr 04 22:20:28 mickeyl: hmmm....no clue at all how to do that...:-( Apr 04 22:20:28 both failed? Apr 04 22:20:43 mickeyl: can we not use make install? Apr 04 22:20:52 yes, both with the same error Apr 04 22:20:57 JustinP: have a look at autotools.class Apr 04 22:21:02 JustinP: function: autotools_stage_all Apr 04 22:21:09 cromain: sounds like bad memory to me Apr 04 22:21:11 cromain, something's wrong with your machine, I believe... Apr 04 22:21:13 and I think at the same moment while compiling (in the middle) Apr 04 22:21:14 JustinP: in theory this should do exactly what's necessary Apr 04 22:21:49 :-/ Apr 04 22:21:49 *sigh* Apr 04 22:22:12 JustinP: we can call oe_runmake install with overriding DESTDIR to $STAGING_DIR as a last resort, but if we can do without it'd be better because we want to prevent polluting the staging areas Apr 04 22:22:23 mickeyl: well...efl.bbclass inherits autotools.....and doesn't override do_stage... Apr 04 22:22:31 I'll try with another gcc version. Apr 04 22:22:44 JustinP: let me take a look tomorrow. is everything pushed yet? Apr 04 22:22:46 who knows... Apr 04 22:22:53 cromain, I have 3.4.5 Apr 04 22:22:56 mickeyl: yeah, all pushed. Just needs this fixed before it works Apr 04 22:23:01 JustinP: ok, i'll have a look then. Apr 04 22:23:04 need to go to bed now Apr 04 22:23:06 g'night Apr 04 22:23:07 c'ya Apr 04 22:23:11 mickeyl: thanks Apr 04 22:23:16 np Apr 04 22:23:21 polyonymous: thanks, I'll test with it Apr 04 22:23:22 two heads again Apr 04 22:23:29 * NAiL pushed a merged head Apr 04 22:23:54 my computer has two heads! :) Apr 04 22:23:55 NAiL: one does get used to it Apr 04 22:24:04 CoreDump|home: yeah, but sometimes, it Apr 04 22:24:10 funny,mine runs headless =D Apr 04 22:24:27 it's just a bit too annoying. I had just merged two heads, synced, and got another head :-P Apr 04 22:24:44 i know the feeling, trust me. Apr 04 22:24:51 it's merged fer sure now tho Apr 04 22:25:18 I just avoid pulling too often, basically I only pull when .oz354x gets an update or when I need to push stuff Apr 04 22:26:13 CoreDump|home, could it be that I borrowed your head? :) Apr 04 22:27:13 I don't think so. My GForce crapped out on my due to a dead fan :\ Apr 04 22:27:40 Ah ok. Apr 04 22:28:04 I have two cards. A couple of months ago I've been running threeheaded like kerberos for a while :) Apr 04 22:28:26 neat =) Apr 04 22:28:33 Now my third head is attached to the notebook with dead screen. Apr 04 22:28:50 With synergy it works as if this is a threeheaded computer Apr 04 22:29:34 * CoreDump|home can live with only one head on his notebook. But don't you _dare_ take away my virtual desktops ;) Apr 04 22:29:48 Yeah, 6 ones here :) Apr 04 22:29:53 dito Apr 04 22:30:00 What WM? Apr 04 22:30:06 windowmaker Apr 04 22:30:12 fvwm2 here :) Apr 04 22:30:34 but once I find a neat "dock" just like the one in wmaker,I'm probably off to gnome Apr 04 22:31:14 Well, I do have a lot of gnome running, but WM is fvwm2 Apr 04 22:31:42 fvwm2 is nice indeed Apr 04 22:31:54 It doesn't have WM's dock, but has a lot of way to dock stuff. And flexible like crazy. Apr 04 22:32:11 I have a few WM's docks btw Apr 04 22:32:27 or afterstep.. Apr 04 22:32:30 wmmon, asmem Apr 04 22:32:50 swallowed into FvwmButtons Apr 04 22:35:05 http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/mhcln03/ <- my desktop Apr 04 22:36:43 I have only 1280x1024:) Apr 04 22:37:13 well, you also run gnome stuff there :) Apr 04 22:37:15 ;) Apr 04 22:37:29 you're running out of battery btw :) Apr 04 22:37:30 couldn't live w/o the panel Apr 04 22:37:36 heh Apr 04 22:37:53 what is this editor you use? Apr 04 22:38:06 nedit Apr 04 22:38:20 Ah... Used it like 8 years ago. Liked it a lot. Apr 04 22:38:25 Before switched to vim Apr 04 22:38:38 http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7426.png <- my Z Apr 04 22:39:12 I'm still trying to cope with opie. Apr 04 22:39:41 your Z is almost out of power too :) Apr 04 22:41:16 hehe Apr 04 22:46:14 CoreDump|home: nice desktop ! Apr 04 22:46:32 thanks =) Apr 04 22:49:20 'night all Apr 04 22:50:52 I also run on my third head three or four gkrellms :) Apr 04 22:50:59 n8 RP Apr 04 23:06:43 n8 CoreDump. n8 guys. Apr 04 23:55:56 hi! Apr 04 23:56:27 is RP here? Apr 04 23:57:05 hi (again): I still have problem emerging monotone :-/ Apr 04 23:57:09 it's really strange Apr 04 23:57:43 I upgraded to gcc 3.4.5 without problem Apr 04 23:57:52 the same? Apr 04 23:58:22 But whatever version of monotone I try to compile, the HD become very very busy and compilation failed du to internal compiler error :-( Apr 04 23:58:30 yes :( Apr 04 23:58:43 I'm just wondering if any progress has been made with the pxa270 video accel patches? Apr 04 23:58:48 I don't know. I'd blame it on your hardware, but gcc comple went fine and it surprises me... Apr 04 23:58:56 so, maybe I'll try on another PC Apr 04 23:59:27 yes, it's really strange.... as if monotone only give me internal compiler error... Apr 04 23:59:48 maybe does it use many preprocessor definition and that my gcc become mad ? Apr 05 00:00:18 anyway, I'll try on another PC tomorrow, because I really want to discover OE :) Apr 05 00:00:20 don't know. g++ to be precise... Apr 05 00:00:38 exact, sorry Apr 05 00:01:04 Well, good luck. I'm off to bed then :) Apr 05 00:01:11 yes me too :) Apr 05 00:01:16 thanks you anyway Apr 05 00:01:36 good night Apr 05 00:01:45 goodnight Apr 05 00:15:07 n8 Apr 05 00:15:12 hi all Apr 05 00:23:30 is this where i can ask for help about a gumstix? Apr 05 00:23:59 you can ask Apr 05 00:24:09 it rather depends on the question Apr 05 00:24:25 k Apr 05 00:24:42 im getting this error: make[1]: arm-linux-/home/siph0n/subversion-1.3.1/gumstix-buildroot/build_arm_nofpu/staging_dir/bin/arm-linux-uclibc-gcc: Command not found Apr 05 00:25:00 but there is a arm-linux-uclibc-gcc in that directory Apr 05 00:25:05 so i dont know why its not found Apr 05 00:25:07 looks like your setup is incorrect Apr 05 00:25:33 ne idea how to fix it? :) Apr 05 00:26:07 look at your config files first, if those are correct look for hardlinks in your sources Apr 05 00:26:43 bbiab i need to run to the store Apr 05 00:29:47 k Apr 05 00:50:26 hey... if ./arm-linux-uclibc-gcc is a command, but arm-linux-uclibc-gcc isnt by itself without the "./" ... how do i fix that? :) Apr 05 00:52:55 you have to add the directory to your path Apr 05 00:53:55 Siph0n: what application in the gumstix buildroot is that error occuring on Apr 05 00:54:04 NOTE: package xserver-xorg-X11_7.0+cvs20060101-r0: task do_compile: completed Apr 05 00:54:05 woot! Apr 05 00:54:35 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.brisset/chromicro/doc/chromicro.html Apr 05 00:54:42 that is the project im trying to add to the buildroot Apr 05 00:56:23 ah, well its trying to use arm-linux-PATH instead of PATH for the compiler Apr 05 00:56:49 try exporting CC=/home/siph0n/subversion-1.3.1/gumstix-buildroot/build_arm_nofpu/staging_dir/bin/arm-linux-uclibc-gcc perhaps Apr 05 00:58:57 im really new to linux and the gumstix... so i dont really know what that means.... can i also change the Makefile some how so it just uses PATH? and not arm-linux-PATH? Apr 05 01:01:15 edit the src/Makefile in the chromicro targz and set the variables at the top to the correct paths Apr 05 01:02:17 they already are right... Apr 05 01:02:50 is this the line that is messing up?: PATH := $(PATH):$(GUMSTIX_BUILDROOT)/build_arm_nofpu/staging_dir/bin Apr 05 01:03:00 GUMSTIX_BUILDROOT should be set right Apr 05 01:03:05 set that and then just type make Apr 05 01:03:44 or change arm-linux-$(CC) $(FLAGS) line to just $(CC) at the beginning Apr 05 01:03:51 k Apr 05 01:05:36 sweet :) no more unknown command, got a few different errors ... ill try and get em out Apr 05 01:09:21 have u ever seen that helicopter project before TheMasterMind1? Apr 05 01:09:35 i have not Apr 05 01:09:41 looks pretty nifty Apr 05 01:10:06 yup.... :) Apr 05 01:52:27 does make: Circular , dependency dropped matter much? or that just a warning? Apr 05 02:42:59 hmmm... i forget what i changed... now something else is wrong Apr 05 03:57:35 nm... got it :) Apr 05 04:55:48 Question about starting out with open embedded. Say I jsut wanted to build a linux kernel for a certain platform, what bitbake package do I build Apr 05 04:57:07 ? Apr 05 04:57:17 bitbale linuxkernel Apr 05 04:57:23 bitbake linuxkernel Apr 05 04:57:39 your not gonna get far tho being taht specific Apr 05 04:57:41 er Apr 05 04:57:43 gerneral Apr 05 04:57:54 * emte breaks keyboard Apr 05 04:59:12 most kernels require patching of some type and to be bilt with the proper glibc/uclibc version that is on the target Apr 05 04:59:58 emte: can you point me in the direction of some documentation on this Apr 05 05:00:10 pick a distro/device Apr 05 05:00:31 for instance, when I do bitbake linuxkernel where does it put the sources so that I can edit them and make changes required to get drivers, etc to work on the platform I am dealing with Apr 05 05:00:49 I did set my local.conf for familiar, pxa-270 Apr 05 05:00:51 that is not the way bitbake works Apr 05 05:01:11 and unversioned familiar is not a valid distro Apr 05 05:01:29 well I choose familiar-0.8.4 Apr 05 05:01:31 .3 Apr 05 05:01:34 you really need to look at one of the kernel bb files Apr 05 05:01:39 k Apr 05 05:02:15 it is a combination of passing things via the bb metafile and patching the sources when you aquire them using bitbake Apr 05 07:26:40 <_law_> morning any ideas why my glib-2.0 doesnt build? http://pastebin.com/641581 Apr 05 08:01:05 morning Apr 05 08:02:12 hi hrw|work Apr 05 08:02:38 hrw|work: I'm away today but tonight I'm going to look at 3.5.4.1-alpha2 Apr 05 08:04:14 RP: cool Apr 05 08:05:43 RP: so we will be able to provide alpha2 in this week for testing Apr 05 08:05:57 * hrw|work reads backlog Apr 05 08:11:42 RP: efem is nslu2 devel Apr 05 08:15:44 ~seen zecke Apr 05 08:15:47 zecke was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 10h 58m 7s ago, saying: 'okay, cya'. Apr 05 08:18:44 hi Apr 05 08:20:04 hrw|work: Yes, if things work tonight, it can build overnight and we should have images available by the end of the week Apr 05 08:20:10 hi CoreDump|home Apr 05 08:20:37 hrw|work: We just need to decide whether to use pcmciautils? Apr 05 08:21:24 RP: what about leaving pcmcia-cs in OZ and use pcmciautils in Angstrom? Apr 05 08:23:03 hrw|work: I'll test tonight - If I'm happy we can try it on the users for alpha2 and if it doesn't work, we can revert for the final release? Apr 05 08:23:35 RP: that one too Apr 05 08:24:05 RP: before alpha2 I want to get zecke and fix qt/e keymaps in r31 Apr 05 08:26:05 hrw|work: ok, sounds good. I'll be back later Apr 05 08:27:18 net Apr 05 08:30:36 morning all Apr 05 08:43:33 CoreDump|home: btw ipkg-link patch in .oz354x - please inform me about such changes so I could rebuild it for upgrades feed Apr 05 08:44:00 CoreDump|home: post in oesf thread '3.5.4.x upgrades' is enough Apr 05 08:44:26 <_law_> hi, any ideas why my glib-2.0 doesnt build? http://pastebin.com/641581 Apr 05 08:44:48 hrw|work: so many packages changed from 3.5.4 to .1, but almost none made it to upgrades :) Apr 05 08:44:56 hrw|work: will do in the future Apr 05 08:45:35 CoreDump|home: anything which touch c7x0/cxx00 only is not getting into upgrades but into 3.5.4.1 Apr 05 08:45:53 i c Apr 05 08:46:50 CoreDump|home: with 3.5.4.1 I will move updates into feeds, drop 3.5.4/c7x0 Apr 05 08:47:28 CoreDump|home: will write about plans to oz-devel later today Apr 05 08:47:36 great! Apr 05 08:48:44 CoreDump|home: probably 3.5.4.2 will go shortly after 3.5.4.1 as simple upgrade for 2.4 devices Apr 05 08:48:48 I was planning to track down the new matchbox version which fixed the "DPI" bug on VGA screens. However, by the looks of it I'd have to upgrade matchbox-* to the version from .dev to achieve that. What's your stand and that? Apr 05 08:49:20 hrw|work: why not release .1 for all devices then. Would give us more time for a .2 Apr 05 08:49:26 CoreDump|home: matchbox 1.0? if it works then go ahead - it will sound better then 0.9-svnsomething Apr 05 08:49:38 thought so ;) Apr 05 08:49:59 CoreDump|home: we told: 3.5.4.1 will give 2.6 kernels for c7x0/cxx00. I do not want people thinking that 3.5.4.1/tosa is 2.6 based Apr 05 08:50:15 right Apr 05 08:51:32 morning Apr 05 08:52:42 hi xora Apr 05 08:52:54 hi XorA Apr 05 08:52:58 CoreDump|home: btw - thx for GPE polishing in OZ Apr 05 08:53:10 my pleasure Apr 05 08:53:26 GPE on VGA is neat Apr 05 08:53:40 GPE on 320x240 stinks ;) Apr 05 09:08:34 good morning Apr 05 09:09:29 hi Bernardo Apr 05 09:21:20 hi Apr 05 09:22:22 how would one make sane extra dependencies for a package? Apr 05 09:23:17 ok... quick question for a complete newbie... Apr 05 09:23:26 e.g. osb-nrcit depends on librsvg - but can be built without it. would adding a OSB_NRCIT_DEPENDS ?= "librsvg" and DEPENDS = "... ${OS_NRCIT_DEPENDS}" be the solution to go? Apr 05 09:23:36 whats the default root password on a just compiled image? Apr 05 09:24:07 HuntrCkr: none Apr 05 09:25:11 that's just gr8... coz ssh doesn't allow you to log in with an empty root password Apr 05 09:25:29 HuntrCkr: set one on device Apr 05 09:25:30 log in via serial line? Apr 05 09:25:59 HuntrCkr: you could also set one when building the image ...by writing your own base-passwd Apr 05 09:26:23 hmmm... ok, thx dent Apr 05 09:31:00 ok... lets say i don't have irda on my laptop... can i setup my CONSOLE= to something that will make it echo it back over the data cable at the bottom and to the serial port on my pc? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 05 09:59:56 2006