**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 10 09:59:56 2006 Apr 10 10:00:55 rp? Apr 10 10:01:16 I haven't touched it Apr 10 10:01:39 XorA: Hm, check the commit logs? Apr 10 10:03:16 * XorA is actually suspecting ipkg Apr 10 10:05:10 XorA: keymaps were split from initscripts Apr 10 10:05:56 die broken csl versions, die :) Apr 10 10:06:00 RP: thats the problem, nothing brought in keymaps package Apr 10 10:06:21 XorA: It was added to task-bootstrap iirc Apr 10 10:07:53 someone for a PR inc or forgot to add it then Apr 10 10:07:57 forget a PR Apr 10 10:12:07 now just to reboot and fix whatever Cordump did to my fonts :-( Apr 10 10:12:33 XorA: I believe this was the 200dpi fixes Apr 10 10:12:48 RP: fixes is a bit of a bad term for the mess I see :-) Apr 10 10:13:03 * XorA could read my screen from 100 yards Apr 10 10:13:12 :-/ Apr 10 10:13:20 task-bootstrap PR bumping is something which I avoid Apr 10 10:28:20 RP: hehe, having fun? Apr 10 10:32:08 zecke: I have 2005q3 csl working and have committed it :) Apr 10 10:35:12 RP: that doesn#t sound like you succeeded in killing it... Apr 10 10:35:22 RP: anyway you are happy and that is what counts ;) Apr 10 10:36:10 zecke: I killed off the old versions which means we can close a few bug reports :) Apr 10 10:37:55 RP: I liked some of the bugs ... Apr 10 10:38:12 http://www.mail-archive.com/directfb-users@directfb.org/msg05146.html Apr 10 10:38:15 RP: closer to EABI then? Apr 10 10:38:25 interesting... Apr 10 10:38:39 RP: I think I can teach QtE BGR in an inefficient way... Apr 10 10:38:52 pb__: how is kdrive doing BGR? Apr 10 10:39:10 XorA: We have a second way of achieving it Apr 10 10:39:14 pb__: word scrambling on each pixel to match the order or some fast and good design? Apr 10 10:40:24 zecke: The xserver supports general pixel formatting Apr 10 10:40:27 zecke: kdrive doesn't have a natural affinity for any particular pixel ordering. Apr 10 10:40:40 s/formatting/ordering/ Apr 10 10:40:52 BGR is no worse than RGB, really. You need to marshall the bits in much the same way in both cases. Apr 10 10:40:54 pb__: how does it define a color? Apr 10 10:41:31 pb__: e.g. I have QColor which is RGB(A) (giving me an int), and QtE currently can copy it to the framebuffer (which is the bug) Apr 10 10:41:59 pb__: so X 'creates' the right order for the pixel out of a representation of a color? Apr 10 10:42:14 zecke: right. the abstract view of a color is: Apr 10 10:42:15 typedef struct { Apr 10 10:42:15 unsigned short red; Apr 10 10:42:15 unsigned short green; Apr 10 10:42:15 unsigned short blue; Apr 10 10:42:16 unsigned short alpha; Apr 10 10:42:17 } XRenderColor; Apr 10 10:42:47 but there is no expectation that this will match the physical pixel format. Apr 10 10:43:20 pb__: I guess this is the reason why X is declared slow ;) Apr 10 10:43:31 pb__: or fast, depending on the marketing drone's pov. Apr 10 10:43:38 zecke: yeah Apr 10 10:45:59 zecke: aside from anything else, issues like transparency and anti-aliasing mean that you can't (in general) just blindly dump fixed pixel values into the framebuffer and get the right kind of results. Apr 10 10:49:04 pb__: I just found that out ;) Apr 10 10:49:36 base-passwd can be upgraded without problems in OE derived distros? Apr 10 10:49:36 zecke: :-} Apr 10 10:50:33 probably, but it'd need testing Apr 10 10:50:51 thx Apr 10 10:54:16 RP: tried zaurusd for first time, sweet Apr 10 10:57:42 XorA: poweroff on hingeclose too? Apr 10 10:58:00 hrw|work: not that far, I am trying to work out how to make the TS buttons work mplayer Apr 10 11:01:14 XorA: they are F15-F19 iirc Apr 10 11:01:29 * hrw|work got 21M word document to view... Apr 10 11:13:44 hi schurig Apr 10 11:13:55 hrw|work: hi! Apr 10 11:13:56 ~seen mickeyl Apr 10 11:14:09 hrw|work: any plans for monotone 0.26? AFAIK it is a little bit faster Apr 10 11:14:10 mickeyl was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 15h 4m ago, saying: 'hrw: woot!'. Apr 10 11:14:26 * hrw|work got offer to work on getting 802.11g cf card for porting driver Apr 10 11:14:38 schurig: its more then 'a little bit' faster Apr 10 11:14:55 hrw|work: lousy payment in Zloty/hour :-) Apr 10 11:14:56 schurig: we want to wait till 0.27 (so other people will shout on problems ;) Apr 10 11:15:03 hrw|work: chickens! Apr 10 11:15:16 schurig: dont know do I get card for me or for porting only.. Apr 10 11:15:26 hrw|work: I'd rather you'll run into many more probelms and finally switch to something with a normal execution speed Apr 10 11:15:49 hrw|work: what chipset is the card? Apr 10 11:16:51 Bernardo: wcf54g is agere - need wlags 722 iirc Apr 10 11:17:40 hrw|work: btw, the working wlags driver I have here only works till 2.6.15.6, in 2.6.16 they changed some things so I need to get it working again Apr 10 11:18:05 hrw|work: they mostly use a normal .probe approach now in pcmcia as in other drivers, and the old PCMCIA event thingy is now also gone Apr 10 11:18:31 hrw|work: also I think i've got 718 working, not 722, so I'd be interested if you get 722 working Apr 10 11:19:03 hrw|work: we need a 0.26<>0.25 bridge, to automatically check what is checked into one version into the other, then we can truly test 0.26 Apr 10 11:20:34 bbl Apr 10 11:21:08 Personally, I'd be happy to take a risk and upgrade to 0.26 Apr 10 11:21:54 RP: given the level of support monotone guys give us, its probably worth it, and helps them as well Apr 10 11:33:54 XorA: please wait at least a _little_ before upgrading, to give us at least a fighting chance at flushing things out before you guys unleash your bug-finding skillz :-) Apr 10 11:35:19 njs: heh heh, luckilly I dont get a say in when we switch Apr 10 11:36:07 njs: We will wait a while and I know koen wants to wait for 0.27 :) Apr 10 11:38:42 and koen need to get admins to open port for ewi Apr 10 11:38:44 RP: yah Apr 10 11:42:15 is there a know issue off glibc 2.4 and kernel 2.4 ? Apr 10 11:53:00 schurig: glibc 2.4 req kernel 2.6 Apr 10 11:53:14 hrw|work: hmm, I had such a feeling :-) Apr 10 11:53:47 hrw|work: I didn't get any output of sysvinit, but output from ld.so, so I knew my /dev/console was right Apr 10 11:54:09 schurig: For a libc and libpthread that works well on Linux 2.4 kernels, we recommend using the stable 2.3 branch. Apr 10 11:54:29 schurig: The LinuxThreads add-on, providing pthreads on Linux 2.4 kernels, is no longer supported. The new NPTL implementation requires Linux 2.6 kernels. Apr 10 12:12:52 hi Patrick Apr 10 12:32:36 <_law_> hi hrw|work Apr 10 12:33:02 _law_: display-brightness fixed in .oz354x to be PACKAGE_ARCH=all Apr 10 12:33:36 <_law_> hrw|work, thanks Apr 10 12:34:22 <_law_> hrw|work, perhaps i?ll find some time to update my c760 to oz354x this week Apr 10 12:41:38 packages/quilt/files/non-gnu.patch is buggy, there is no stat -f "%p" command, it should be stat -c "%p" Apr 10 12:42:23 -f, --file-system display file system status instead of file status Apr 10 12:42:33 -c --format=FORMAT use the specified FORMAT instead of the default; Apr 10 12:42:33 hmm, actually, %p is also not implemented here Apr 10 12:42:47 nice... Apr 10 12:43:36 hrw|work: the author of the patch to quilt tried to convert NUish "chmod --reference XXX" call into chmod `stat -f "%p"` Apr 10 12:44:17 hrw|work: but at least on debian this doesn't work, here -f is for filesystem, output format would be -c or --format. But %p doesn't exist, so the this patch is broken altogehterh Apr 10 12:44:32 hrw|work: probably someone who tried to get OE runnign on Mac OS X ... Apr 10 12:45:32 zecke|food: your patch to quilt is broken, now quilt-native doens't build on Debian anymore Apr 10 13:09:38 * rwhitby also just then had his build fail on Debian sarge due to this problem Apr 10 13:11:21 schurig: okay Apr 10 13:11:57 please disapprove the quilt patch then Apr 10 13:12:09 I won't be in town the next three days Apr 10 13:34:09 hi folks Apr 10 13:34:23 hi mickeyl Apr 10 13:34:39 hey mickeyl Apr 10 13:36:15 hail mickeyl Apr 10 13:36:20 mickeyl: meant to say yesterday, you read too much fantasy fiction :-) Apr 10 13:37:03 XorA: that's true, but how do you know? :D Apr 10 13:37:12 aah the wizards, right? Apr 10 13:37:35 at least I know the from books... not from movies like all the younger folks Apr 10 13:37:37 heh Apr 10 13:37:39 mickeyl: allanon is rarer than the rest Apr 10 13:37:41 Hostap 0.4.7 uploaded to updates Apr 10 13:37:52 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r3ecb4c7b... 10/packages/display-brightness/display-brightness_1.0.0.bb: display-brightness: set PACKAGE_ARCH=all as this is shell script Apr 10 13:37:57 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r550a847a... 10/packages/linux/linux-dm7025.bb: linux-dm7025: update dvb multipid patch to r1 Apr 10 13:38:02 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r6412fbc6... 10/packages/gcc/ (13 files): gcc: Remove broken csl versions replacing with a floating cvs version and a working 2005q3 csl release. Apr 10 13:38:08 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd854f45c... 10/packages/qmake/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Apr 10 13:38:08 qmake: upgrade version 2.00a to qt 4.1.1 Apr 10 13:38:08 give up with trying to make qmake2 work with old stuff, instead Apr 10 13:38:08 start to make qmake1 and qmake2 coexist in staging Apr 10 13:38:12 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r36cb9cba... 10/packages/qt/ (11 files in 3 dirs): qt4: upgrade to 4.1.1 - add patches to make it build Apr 10 13:38:22 RP: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18767 Apr 10 13:41:34 ~hail USE_FEED_FOR_IMAGES=1 Apr 10 13:41:35 * ibot bows down to USE_FEED_FOR_IMAGES=1 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Apr 10 13:41:52 ya, that's a pretty cool patch. did you commit it yet? Apr 10 13:42:01 mickeyl: plan to do it in .oz354x Apr 10 13:42:15 hrw|work: it's non-intrusive, isn't it? feel free to toss into .dev as well Apr 10 13:42:39 mickeyl: 3.5.4.1-alpha2 can be build from feeds now (3.5.4 + 3.5.4.1-alpha2 machine one) Apr 10 13:43:03 hrw|work: what do I need to upgrade to make sound working on c7x0/3.5.4.1-alpha1 ? Apr 10 13:43:12 ~ping schurig Apr 10 13:43:14 pong schurig Apr 10 13:43:30 cedric_: pong Apr 10 13:43:40 mickeyl: ask RP - I did not checked it yet Apr 10 13:43:47 RP? Apr 10 13:43:49 hey schurig Apr 10 13:44:24 mickeyl: Sound should just work? Apr 10 13:44:42 schurig: hrw told me that you have a 802.11g compact flash card, any good? where did u get it? Apr 10 13:45:12 mickeyl: The sound in opie doesn't always work though - it does 95% of the time on my c760 and 5% of the time on my c3000 Apr 10 13:45:15 cedric_: no, it's *NOT* a 11g card Apr 10 13:45:29 mickeyl: Its opie at fault given OSS apps work fine :-/ Apr 10 13:45:52 cedric_: but it's a card that doesn't work with orinoco, hostap, wlag-ng etc, only with Agere's brain-dead wlags driver, currently I use 7.18 Apr 10 13:46:01 RP: heh. i'm talking about gpe :D Apr 10 13:46:16 RP: mplayer foo.mp3 ... no output Apr 10 13:46:36 mickeyl: you have zaurusd installed? Apr 10 13:46:46 no idea :) Apr 10 13:46:51 schurig: who has one then? Apr 10 13:46:52 hrw image 3.5.4.1-alpha1 Apr 10 13:47:07 can't check because the Z is at home. will come back to you Apr 10 13:47:18 mickeyl: Load alsamixer and fiddle if there's no sound Apr 10 13:47:33 mickeyl: It could be zaurusd isn't setting the right things :-/ Apr 10 13:47:35 RP: done that already, max'ed all outputs, but still nothing Apr 10 13:47:49 mickeyl please read your privmsg, tc guys Apr 10 13:47:49 we can check that interactively later tonite if you can Apr 10 13:47:54 hi Pendalar Apr 10 13:47:58 long time no see Apr 10 13:48:02 mickeyl: ok, I should be around Apr 10 13:48:26 mickeyl: I'd test alpha2 but my build machine is currently uncontactable :-/ Apr 10 13:48:32 yeah my work schedule changed and my zaurus TS is broken =-s still heavily into PDA's and what not Apr 10 13:48:43 got to run though sadly.. email me after you read my messages Apr 10 13:48:49 Pendalar: will do, cu Apr 10 13:53:07 hrw|work: I've replied to those posts, thanks Apr 10 13:53:14 hrw|work: Looks like some usb problem Apr 10 13:55:20 RP: np Apr 10 13:55:59 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9709862327 Apr 10 13:57:35 n770.. Apr 10 13:57:44 hi CoreDump|home Apr 10 13:57:49 hi Apr 10 13:58:08 hey CoreDump|home Apr 10 14:01:02 for machine in c7x0 spitz akita;do echo "MACHINE = \"$machine\"" > conf/auto.conf;echo "MACHINE = \"$machine\"";bitbake -k gpe-image opie-image bootstrap-image;done - in other words: 3.5.4.1-alpha2 images building for release Apr 10 14:01:29 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r07d0f168... 10/classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass: Apr 10 14:01:29 rootfs_ipk.bbclass: allow to create images from feeds Apr 10 14:01:29 - variable USE_FEED_FOR_IMAGES = 1/0 control does images are build from: Apr 10 14:01:29 1: feeds configured in FEED_URIS Apr 10 14:01:29 0: tmp/deploy/ipk directory Apr 10 14:01:30 code is in bugtracker as #816 Apr 10 14:01:33 nice =) Apr 10 14:01:34 hrw|work: excellent Apr 10 14:01:48 i still don't like that bootsplash Apr 10 14:02:00 it takes way too long while it's configuring beneath Apr 10 14:02:07 mickeyl: not OZ related it is etc Apr 10 14:02:10 should really add a progress bar or something else Apr 10 14:02:27 only on first load it rakes a while Apr 10 14:02:51 thanks to Richards blinkin' lights, it's not absolutely dead Apr 10 14:03:02 mickeyl: not with root-on-sd like I have now Apr 10 14:03:04 when will we add phil's postinst patch to ipkg? Apr 10 14:03:32 * hrw|work has few ideas for Angstrom release work - will write to ML later Apr 10 14:04:28 mickeyl: afaik, it should be safe to apply it now. Apr 10 14:04:41 I don't know of any problems with it. Apr 10 14:05:27 I think Pigi was reluctant to apply it upstream due to idealogical concerns, but it should be fine to put it in oe. Apr 10 14:05:57 right. last version is in hh.org bugzilla? Apr 10 14:06:01 I think so Apr 10 14:06:09 who want to test 3.5.4.1-alpha2 before users will get it? c7x0/akita/spitz Apr 10 14:06:29 hrw|work: i can give the spitz version a go later tonite Apr 10 14:06:34 not now though Apr 10 14:06:40 mickeyl: ok Apr 10 14:06:44 * mickeyl leaves all toys at home Apr 10 14:06:49 distraction :D Apr 10 14:07:51 * hrw|work left zaurii at home today too - dont want to get it to gym Apr 10 14:07:56 * CoreDump|home will check opie image Apr 10 14:08:44 CoreDump|home: ok. I will give url after building Apr 10 14:09:07 hrw|work: my build just finished ;) Apr 10 14:09:41 nm that, opie is still compiling Apr 10 14:10:02 CoreDump|home: ok but I want to catch all feed problems too - your images can differ... Apr 10 14:10:10 ah i see, ok Apr 10 14:10:16 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/alpha2/.images/ Apr 10 14:10:25 there they will land Apr 10 14:11:14 zecke|food: is a pxa270 fast enough for dvb-t over usb? Apr 10 14:11:19 ok, will give try them once they are done Apr 10 14:12:45 mickeyl: dunno, i18n("das wird echt knapp") Apr 10 14:13:21 mickeyl: I'm lucky to do h.264 with low framerate and low resolution Apr 10 14:13:28 mickeyl: mpeg2 gets trickier Apr 10 14:14:09 OT: did some one disapprove my quilt change yet? Apr 10 14:14:51 schurig: -f is the same on both Unices Apr 10 14:15:03 schurig: it means silent... so please show me your error Apr 10 14:16:10 zecke|food: mombi, I'll pastebin ... Apr 10 14:17:54 zecke|food: http://pastebin.ca/48887 Apr 10 14:18:11 zecke|food: maybe I was wrong about -f, but %p definitely doesn't exist Apr 10 14:19:37 zecke|food: at least not with coreutils 5.94, which provide the "stat" binary I have here on my Debian sid box Apr 10 14:20:43 gosh that pastebin.ca is slow Apr 10 14:20:50 zecke|food: and -f means silent for chmod, but for stat it means means "-f, --file-system: display file system status instead of file status" Apr 10 14:21:09 zecke|food: should I use pastebin.com? Apr 10 14:21:09 hmm %p should not be %p ;) Apr 10 14:21:30 zecke|food: but that's in the non-gnu.patch ... Apr 10 14:21:56 schurig: well, I'm firewalled ATM, let us hope some one disapproves it Apr 10 14:23:27 zecke|food: okay, I've extracted excerpts from the man-pages: http://pastebin.com/651408 Apr 10 14:23:37 zecke|food: can't you disapprove now? Apr 10 14:24:12 hmm.. my 3.5.4.1-alpha2 images got one bug... openzaurus-version=3.5.4 Apr 10 14:24:37 small one to ignore ;) Apr 10 14:24:50 zecke|food: AFAIK my stat can only show the file mode in hex: "%f Raw mode in hex" Apr 10 14:25:23 zecke|food: that's the only occurence of the string "mode" in "man stat". Maybe the info-file or source tells more ... Apr 10 14:25:25 schurig: I'm firewalled ;) Apr 10 14:25:54 zecke|food: but I'm not sure if chmod and especially a non-GNU chmod accepts hex for a file-mode Apr 10 14:26:28 zecke|food: so, please, BSD and MacOSX, stay with patcher :-) Apr 10 14:26:36 hrw|work: heh, right. Apr 10 14:26:59 schurig: patcher doesn't work reliable on *BSD either ;) Apr 10 14:27:48 schurig: any new developments in patcher? Apr 10 14:27:56 (not that I would miss anything, just curious) Apr 10 14:27:56 zecke|food: heck, then they should install a sane chmod if they need quilt Apr 10 14:28:13 schurig: what is sane? GNU is sane? Apr 10 14:28:33 mickeyl: no, I'm actually switched to quilt. The original reason why I wrote patcher is gone, and quilt is more powerful Apr 10 14:29:07 mickeyl: if you really want it, I have a python scripy that behaves like patcher, but calls quilt :-) Apr 10 14:29:43 actually "patcher -s" is still less to type than "quilt series -v", althoight you can get away with opt_verbose=1 in your ~/.quiltrc Apr 10 14:30:14 schurig: yay! I still prefer patcher because of its UI. please send me that tool Apr 10 14:30:56 schurig: yay! I still prefer patcher because of its UI. please send me that tool Apr 10 14:31:10 mickeyl: he only wanted you repeat yourself Apr 10 14:31:16 hehe Apr 10 14:31:25 * mickeyl still INHERIT += patcher Apr 10 14:31:50 mickeyl: label your first born 'patcher' in that case Apr 10 14:32:09 zecke|food: i guess that would be a bit over the top... besides... what if it's a girl? I'm more into girls anywa Apr 10 14:32:10 y Apr 10 14:32:22 patcher would be a fine name for a girl Apr 10 14:32:28 hehe Apr 10 14:32:45 CosmicPenguin: my girls are named "Natalie" and "Sarah" :-) Apr 10 14:32:56 schurig: is your GNU make broken? Apr 10 14:33:32 zecke|food: don't know, if 3.81rc2 from Debian is broken, then you're right. However, I use that make with tons of software packages, so I guess it's not Apr 10 14:33:38 I'm able to log into ewi, so I can fix it myself Apr 10 14:33:56 schurig: think of Dijkstra and reconsider your statement Apr 10 14:34:13 zecke|food: I'm an empiric person :-) Apr 10 14:34:35 zecke|food: or an engineer, and not a scientist :-) Apr 10 14:34:50 zecke|food: and sometimes not even an engineer, but just a handyman ... Apr 10 14:38:28 schurig: well Apr 10 14:39:07 schurig: to cite another guy starting with an 'S': GNU make is broken for years, It has several reported and grave bugs Apr 10 14:39:36 3.5.4.1-alpha2 built for c7x0/akita/spitz Apr 10 14:40:06 zecke|food: continue to tell me what else is broken, maybe you can convert me :-) Apr 10 14:40:35 schurig: Linux IDE is broken according to this 'S' guy Apr 10 14:40:42 schurig: and the security model is broken as well Apr 10 14:40:55 schurig: and Schurig and Solaris match much better Apr 10 14:40:56 zecke|food: libata looks like good way to get IDE working Apr 10 14:41:38 * chouimat is back. Apr 10 14:41:52 morning Apr 10 14:46:03 schurig: could you test soon? Apr 10 14:46:20 zecke|food: what should I test? Apr 10 14:46:36 schurig: quilt fix... and I replied to you in private... but it didn't got to you Apr 10 14:46:49 schurig: this other 'S' guy is Joerg Schilling ;) Apr 10 14:47:06 zecke|food: hmm, I didn't get something, maybe also not from mickeyl Apr 10 14:47:14 zecke|food: maybe my Konversation is set up wrong Apr 10 14:47:25 schurig: well, I need to do /msg NickServ ident secret Apr 10 14:47:34 schurig: but this nick is not registered ;) Apr 10 14:50:31 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r45ef1918... 10/packages/quilt/ (quilt-native_0.42.bb quilt_0.42.bb): Apr 10 14:50:31 packages/quilt/quilt: Apr 10 14:50:31 -Apply this patch only when building on Darwin. Apr 10 14:50:31 At least on one system it produced some kind of Apr 10 14:50:31 error Apr 10 14:59:20 Evening Apr 10 15:08:08 http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/04/10/second-alpha-release-of-openzaurus-3541/ Apr 10 15:10:06 fsck. error found ;( Apr 10 15:10:14 * zecke should try harder to organize more PXA270 boards Apr 10 15:17:29 hrw|work: many changes since last night, or everything's almost the same? Apr 10 15:18:51 Bernardo: this was build from feeds Apr 10 15:19:08 Bernardo: and stopped from release - CoreDump found that akita/gpe is buggy Apr 10 15:19:33 oops Apr 10 15:19:38 schurig: ah right, freenode has changed something re. privmsgs Apr 10 15:19:45 schurig: i got the patcher frontend, thanks Apr 10 15:19:45 well, at least akita/opie is ok Apr 10 15:19:50 bbl, home we go now Apr 10 15:19:53 cu mickeyl Apr 10 15:19:57 later mickeyl Apr 10 15:19:57 Bernardo: my test image? Apr 10 15:20:01 mickeyl: me too Apr 10 15:20:14 hrw|work: the one I built last night from oz354x Apr 10 15:20:24 Bernardo: can you test miine? Apr 10 15:20:31 Bernardo: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/alpha2/.images/ Apr 10 15:20:34 cu all Apr 10 15:20:38 I can't download yours right now or I'll gt in trouble... :) Apr 10 15:20:48 oka Apr 10 15:20:59 more than 1/2MB a day and I get a talk with a manager... Apr 10 15:21:19 I'll check tonight or tomorrow Apr 10 15:21:28 cool Apr 10 15:24:04 bye Apr 10 15:33:13 morning all Apr 10 15:33:39 hey lrg Apr 10 15:34:21 * lrg is in now in San Jose for CELF Apr 10 15:34:32 hi Liam Apr 10 15:34:58 RP: my new borzoi is on its way :) Apr 10 15:34:58 lrg: damnation I forgot to try and con a trip to San Jose office Apr 10 15:36:02 XorA, I'm back to good old Edinburgh next week. btw I'm doing an alsa talk at Edlug in may if your interested. Apr 10 15:36:10 lrg: In may? Apr 10 15:36:42 XorA, yep, first Thusrday. you could bring your Z and I could have a look at any audio issues. Apr 10 15:36:55 lrg: ok, Ill try and rember to turn up Apr 10 15:37:13 lrg: prod me on the tues/weds before if you remeber, I am terrible at remembering Apr 10 15:37:18 XorA, np Apr 10 15:37:45 lrg: and I can buy that pint I promised :-) Apr 10 15:37:57 XorA: :) Apr 10 15:38:33 * lrg had too many pints at last Edlug and missed his train home... Apr 10 15:38:42 lrg: oops Apr 10 15:38:50 lrg: is it still in Holyrood? Apr 10 15:38:54 XorA, lrg: c7x0 imput isn't working yet :} Apr 10 15:38:59 yep Apr 10 15:39:48 lrg: has the beer improved since Mark retook control? Apr 10 15:39:53 RP: ok, I'll bring a playback device (iPod) and a Mic and try a few things thanks. Apr 10 15:40:39 lrg: ok, thanks. Its on my todo list as well so hopefully one of us will work out the problem :) Apr 10 15:40:43 XorA, it's not bad.It has a room at the back for us hackers Apr 10 15:41:24 RP: I think the codec capture is OK, as boku hasn't complaned about it (yet) ;) Apr 10 15:41:47 lrg: I suspect we're just using the wrong channel or something equally silly Apr 10 15:42:15 RP: i agree. Apr 10 15:42:22 lrg: goodo, I stopped going to holyrood when they took away all the ales Apr 10 15:46:33 lrg: RP: remeber to tell me what kernel to load on the device before I go for maximal debug output Apr 10 15:48:03 XorA, ok, I'll give you an email a few days before - it may even be fixed before then as I've other people using the same codec driver. Apr 10 15:51:30 anyway, time for me to get train home Apr 10 16:09:58 oh boy Apr 10 16:11:17 lrg: you are already in San Jose? Apr 10 16:11:28 lrg: keep some beer for the rest of us... :) Apr 10 16:12:51 CosmicPenguin, will do - I can't drink it all at once ;) Apr 10 16:13:17 CosmicPenguin, I'm at the Hiltin in Rm 540. What time do you guys get here today ? Apr 10 16:13:23 Hilton Apr 10 16:18:46 lrg: my flight leaves at 5:30, so I'll get in aroud 7:00ish. Apr 10 16:18:54 I'm at the Santa Clara Marriott Apr 10 16:19:09 Or I will be, I guess... Apr 10 16:20:10 CosmicPenguin: ok, do you have any plans for tonight. We could head out something to eat and a beer or two after you check in if you want ? Apr 10 16:20:50 I don't have any plans at the moment, so that would be good Apr 10 16:21:00 Where is the Hilton in regards to the venue? Apr 10 16:21:27 CosmicPenguin, cool. The Hilton is on Gt American Parkway, so afaik it's quite close. Apr 10 16:22:26 CosmicPenguin, can you give me a call or let me know via irc and I'll come along to the Marriot Apr 10 16:22:37 when you are ready Apr 10 16:22:53 looking for Hotel number..... Apr 10 16:24:24 CosmicPenguin, It's 1/408/330-0001 and i'm Rm 540. I assume the 1/ is optional ? Apr 10 16:28:24 hrw|gone: ping Apr 10 16:29:27 CoreDump|afk: ping Apr 10 16:31:34 lrg: Cool - I'll get ahold of you when I'm settled in Apr 10 16:32:12 CosmicPenguin: np - have a good journey. Apr 10 16:32:18 thnx Apr 10 16:32:42 who do you have to kill to get phone numbe 0001? Apr 10 16:32:46 s/numbe/number/ Apr 10 16:32:57 its owner? Apr 10 16:33:29 Well, not always - maybe the owner needed somebody else killed Apr 10 16:34:02 then it depends on the owner. I proposed universal (to avoid the word "portable") solution. Apr 10 16:38:04 CosmicPenguin, I think it helps if your a big Hotel chain and rich. ;) Apr 10 16:38:32 heh, yeah Apr 10 16:38:37 I doubt quality inn could swing it Apr 10 16:39:32 CosmicPenguin: heh, maybe Paris has a similar number - shall I give her a call and see if she wants to join us toninght for beers ;) Apr 10 16:39:50 What is your opinion / knowledge / educated guess on following: If I build meta-sdk and gpe-image packages with OE, and setting the MACHINE as "x86", how likely those built packages can be used in another workstation? I mean, If I built those packages with old trusty 1300 celeron, will the results be usable in AMD (non 64bit) machine? Apr 10 16:39:55 I don't know if we want that train wreck around Apr 10 16:40:00 heh Apr 10 16:40:02 That really cuts into the fun of drinking beer Apr 10 16:41:24 ...the more I think about my question the more I feel the need to clarify. :) Apr 10 16:42:03 I wonder what mailing list would be the best place for this kind of advice. It's not strictly OE issue, nor Familiar Apr 10 16:42:40 Seems like its exactly an OE issue Apr 10 16:42:48 definately not a famiilar issue Apr 10 16:42:53 Perhaps Apr 10 16:44:09 My knowledge is too limited on the subject I'm working on Apr 10 16:44:15 but can't help it Apr 10 16:44:45 I built that gpe-image for x86 so I could run it on 240x320 Xnest window Apr 10 16:46:11 Cockroach-, I guess if you optimize it for i386 it'd work on any x86 Apr 10 16:46:55 That's what I thought also Apr 10 16:47:38 but if copy the resulting gpe-image.tar to my AMD machine Apr 10 16:47:47 with the exception for 8086 though :) Apr 10 16:48:05 decompress it and create a chroot jail with 'mount --bind'ed /proc and /dev Apr 10 16:48:26 it works ok, until I try to debug Apr 10 16:48:36 hm Apr 10 16:48:51 I've built gdb with OE also (in the celeron) Apr 10 16:49:02 and I install the resulting .ipk inside chroot Apr 10 16:49:34 maybe something gdb specific? Apr 10 16:49:51 That's the thing, I don't got a clue =) Apr 10 16:50:08 I haven't either. Apr 10 16:50:13 It would help if you told us what the actual problem was Apr 10 16:50:34 "gdb --args /usr/bin/gst-launch sinesrc ! osssink" goes OK. I instruct "run" Apr 10 16:50:39 I hear nice sinetone Apr 10 16:50:46 I press ctrl-c Apr 10 16:50:54 and then Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. Apr 10 16:50:54 Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. Apr 10 16:50:54 It might be running in another process. Apr 10 16:51:04 (sorry, should have used pastebin) Apr 10 16:51:34 hmm... could it be kernel difference, not cpu? Apr 10 16:51:43 So what happens if you try to debug something else that doesn't use kernel modules? Apr 10 16:51:52 I assume it works fine on the machine you built it on? Apr 10 16:52:25 polyonymous_: yeah, if I do the same chroot thing there, no problems. Apr 10 16:52:47 I do have large gaps on my knowledge on linux, so .. Apr 10 16:53:05 so do I, maybe you should answer Penguin's question? Apr 10 16:53:42 well let's see. Apr 10 16:55:48 well I did 'gdb rosetta' since I couldn't figure out anything else this fast Apr 10 16:56:04 I could interrupt that with no problems Apr 10 16:56:11 and got a backtrace etc. Apr 10 16:56:20 RP: ping Apr 10 16:56:58 zecke: I'm just off for food - back in 45 mins Apr 10 16:58:07 RP: I will be in the gym then ;) Apr 10 16:58:11 But for me to understand this, is the problem with small kernel version difference between my AMD workstation and the Celeron which built the gpe-image, OR with the AMD workstation and the kernel version which was built inside gpe-image, by OE Apr 10 16:58:14 RP: got a second for coordination? Apr 10 16:58:33 RP: I'm off for the next three days, I would like to improve the bitbake cache in this time Apr 10 16:59:27 RP: just botmail me ;) Apr 10 17:01:50 Guys we should do a OE release! Apr 10 17:04:16 :o Apr 10 17:04:20 Oh well Apr 10 17:04:41 perhaps I just need to build the gpe image on the workstation I plan to test it Apr 10 17:07:19 Linux in general has one fundamental flaw. It makes one feel dumb :) Apr 10 17:07:37 "You just don't have a clue" Apr 10 17:12:50 maybe a little walk will help. Apr 10 17:20:38 Cockroach-: I thought only Gentoo carried that attribute Apr 10 17:20:51 Cockroach-: what, is your main issue? Apr 10 17:21:31 Cockroach-: it's a feature. Apr 10 17:35:03 koen|away: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829 Apr 10 17:37:29 Oh no, no more exceptions! add_directory() failed. at /sw/lib/perl5/5.8.6/SVN/Mirror/Ra.pm line 1102. Apr 10 17:37:32 svk chokes Apr 10 17:40:06 zecke: hello Apr 10 17:40:16 RP: ah you are back :) Apr 10 17:40:47 zecke: Yes. Sorry, I'd left before seeing your other messages Apr 10 17:41:14 RP: food is important, I tolerate that ;) Apr 10 17:42:40 RP: please add your known issues of BitBake to the list Apr 10 17:42:48 RP: I want to get BitBake in shape... Apr 10 17:43:12 I'm leaving to the gym Apr 10 17:43:26 zecke: ok, I'll add anything I notice is missing to the list Apr 10 17:43:46 RP: botmail me if you plan to touch any parts of bitbake in the next couple of days Apr 10 17:43:56 zecke: ok Apr 10 17:43:57 RP: I have missed the recursive clean of runtime deps... Apr 10 17:51:23 phew Apr 10 17:51:24 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * rf6d19f5f... 10/conf/distro/preferred-e-versions.inc: preferred-e-versions: remove some PREFERRED_VERSIONs which probably shouldn't be in here Apr 10 17:51:32 It was cold Apr 10 17:52:08 koen|away, RP: apologies for the gcc PREFERRED_VERSION Apr 10 17:53:27 rebuilding now to make sure I didn't kill anything.... Apr 10 17:53:45 CosmicPenguin: since you seem to have a better understanding about how things work under the hood on linux, can you provide me with a short explanation or URL to some documentation which explains things? Apr 10 17:54:47 And not speaking english natively, I'm having a hard time to make exact but short questions :) Apr 10 17:55:31 and by things I of course mean what I was talking about earlier Apr 10 18:07:52 Oh well Apr 10 18:08:15 Have to accept this for now and search answers (=bug people) again later Apr 10 18:08:56 * Cockroach- sets mode +Untouchables-DVD & zzz Apr 10 19:17:40 good evening Apr 10 19:17:40 can anybody advise what PV should be set to for .bb packages that fetch via git? Apr 10 19:18:23 hi pH5. Has hx4700-flash solved your flash problems? Apr 10 19:19:03 mreimer: don't know yet. I'm just flashing again Apr 10 19:19:19 pH5: This is a tricky question :-/. Probably the last release number +git and then use PR to denote releases Apr 10 19:19:56 Have prospects of an opensource SD/MMC driver collie improved any? ... gigantic SD cards have become dirt cheap... I'd love to have a 4gb card in my zaurus. Apr 10 19:22:36 NullC: Sadly not :-( Apr 10 19:26:46 RP: Are thing better on any of the other Zauruses? Perhaps I'll upgrade... Apr 10 19:27:28 NullC: We have SD support on most other Zaurii under 2.6 kernels although certain large cards have been problematic Apr 10 19:28:44 RP: hopefully they will be less problematic now... :) Apr 10 19:30:08 CosmicPenguin: Having had limited feedback on my ignore SCR patch, I think its too early to say that :-/ Apr 10 19:36:36 ~RP Apr 10 19:36:46 * CosmicPenguin kicks ibot Apr 10 19:36:54 RP: thanks. Apr 10 19:36:54 can the bitbake git fetcher fetch a subdirectory from a repository? git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xcb works, but git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xcb/xcb-proto does not. Apr 10 19:37:09 Wow the SL-6000 is kinda pricy. :) Apr 10 19:37:57 pH5: I don't think git does subdirectories Apr 10 19:42:40 RP: are you interested in a 2.6.16 kexec patch, or do you already have one? Apr 10 19:43:42 mreimer: I think DIrk already upgraded the one in the zaurus kernel Apr 10 19:43:47 ok Apr 10 19:44:09 I should ping l-a-k on that again. I got 0 response last time Apr 10 19:44:19 mreimer: Thanks for the offer though :) Apr 10 19:44:25 mreimer: Yes, it would be good to mainline it Apr 10 19:44:26 np Apr 10 19:45:02 Gah. My host's elf.h isn't bleeding edge so my build just failed :-/ Apr 10 20:33:04 Later folks Apr 10 20:35:33 njs: and one thing that excites me and koen about monotone is: *drumbeat* Apr 10 20:35:37 *drumbeat* Apr 10 20:35:56 QA support. I plan to integrate the results of the tinderbox into a monotone DB Apr 10 20:36:01 cherrypicker? Apr 10 20:36:04 and then automatically generate reports on a website Apr 10 20:36:16 hrw|husky: hey :) Apr 10 20:36:20 .me as usual for few minutes Apr 10 20:36:30 hi hrw|husky Apr 10 20:36:57 wb zecke Apr 10 20:37:15 RP: that .ignore-scr. patch do not even inform that card is scr1? Apr 10 20:37:30 hrw|husky: It should mention it in dmesg Apr 10 20:37:34 ok Apr 10 20:37:46 hrw|husky: It just makes it a warning rather than an error Apr 10 20:38:05 * hrw|husky needs to mail rmk to get info does my 1G caard works or not Apr 10 20:41:34 zecke: woo Apr 10 20:45:41 njs: e.g. we know package xyz version 3.2 was build for XScale on OpenZaurus Apr 10 20:45:51 njs: we want to mark it, and then extract the information Apr 10 20:45:56 njs: and it sound doable, right? Apr 10 20:46:06 zecke: sure Apr 10 20:47:27 and this would make us a power user of monotone ;) Apr 10 20:48:30 have you heard the story about how monotone started? Apr 10 20:49:41 graydon was working on a contract writing something; the client set up some wacky setup where there were two CVS repos. One of them, he committed to. Then there was a rsync script to pull changes out of that one, run the test suite, and only if the tests pass, commit them to the other repo. Apr 10 20:50:07 no Apr 10 20:50:11 * zecke gets some popcorn Apr 10 20:50:14 simple QA checkings? Apr 10 20:50:37 the other repo is the one the clients used. So, if he committed broken stuff, they just never even saw it. So much for "it compiles, ship it"... Totally kicked his butt. Apr 10 20:50:45 zecke: &cola Apr 10 20:51:20 hrw|husky: I have it next to me already, but that junk is ruining my teeth :} Apr 10 20:51:25 so, like, one of the total inspirations for monotone was, making that kind of workflow possible :-) Apr 10 20:52:10 multiple heads are there so when someone else screws up, you can just ignore it and keep working in parallel with their screwups; certs are there so you can add arbitrary data about things like "this rev fails tests", and monotone can use those to make decisions... Apr 10 20:53:36 then, it turned out that it takes like 3+ years just to build a decent VCS, never mind awesome workflow stuff too :-) so the support for this stuff is a little undeveloped; though you _can_ teach 'update' to just ignore revisions that don't pass certain tests (the exact set of tests is a workspace setting). Apr 10 20:53:55 njs: Is it possible to have a revision require certs from x developers before it becomes visible? Apr 10 20:54:29 ("visible" being merged into the current head) Apr 10 20:55:20 zecke: I think that many things riun not only your teeths... Apr 10 20:56:04 looks like time to say bye.. screen is flashing from time to time Apr 10 20:56:10 hrw|husky: being subscribed to mailing lists, disrupt my mind Apr 10 20:56:16 hrw|husky: cya! Apr 10 20:56:23 cya on thursday evening again Apr 10 20:57:25 zecke: rather friday as in thursday i will watch desperate housewifes Apr 10 20:57:50 hrw|husky: cya Apr 10 20:58:11 btw.. firefox is nice to have on Z Apr 10 20:58:20 hrw|husky: hehe, do you like that? Apr 10 20:58:47 zecke: fun Apr 10 20:58:51 I try to avoid such hyped things, e.g. I didn't watch LOST, but bought Al the DVD set Apr 10 20:58:58 and I think now I like LOST :} Apr 10 20:59:05 and do good braindamage and lot of laughs Apr 10 20:59:36 zecke: i started to watch this with not knowing that its so hyped Apr 10 20:59:39 cu Apr 10 20:59:52 njs: awesome, this is the next step on my list Apr 10 21:00:00 njs: make 'good' releases Apr 10 21:00:15 njs: e.g. export OE into a TarBall for MIPS Foo2301 SoftCPU Apr 10 21:00:49 njs: but I think one wants a good graphical tool to work with annotations Apr 10 21:02:36 njs: If you could decide, would you switch OE to use monotone 0.26? Apr 10 21:02:47 is there a way to build opera with bitbake? Apr 10 21:03:07 goxboxlive: hehe, sadly not, Opera is not Free Software Apr 10 21:03:22 goxboxlive: nor can 'we' (as OpenEmbedded project) distribute Opera binaries Apr 10 21:13:02 ok i c. Apr 10 21:40:12 * Philippe is away: visual contact - melancholic dreams Apr 10 22:07:22 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf9023067... 10/packages/elfutils/elfutils-0.108/warnings.patch: elfutils 0.108: Remove -Eextra flags to fix failures with certain compilers Apr 10 22:07:34 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ra9fd6773... 10/packages/prelink/ (20 files in 4 dirs): prelink: Drop old/stale/broken versions and add 20050901 with patched EABI support Apr 10 22:07:38 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r39e43f04... 10/packages/fakechroot/ (fakechroot-native_2.5.bb fakechroot_2.5.bb): Add fakechroot and fakechroot-native Apr 10 22:10:24 zecke: Have we identified exactly what's broken with current bitbake head? Apr 10 23:18:04 RP: like I said, it's a little undeveloped; there's nothing built in to handle "x developers must affirm" ATM Apr 10 23:18:51 RP: but the basic pieces to build such a thing are there (e.g., you could have an "approve" cert, and have a little bot that watches commit traffic and when a rev gets x "approve" certs signed by keys that the bot likes, it sticks a new branch cert on it) Apr 10 23:20:13 (for now, it'd be a convention that only the bot commits to the branch in question; when we have better permission rules, it would become enforced. Better permission rules might eliminate the need for the bot, too, perhaps; dunno yet.) Apr 10 23:21:47 RP: the other important thing is that we're really interested in doing this sort of thing, so while I can't say "here, just do this, it's worked great for lots of people", instead you'd be experimenting with new stuff, it's new stuff that we really want to make work, and there's no real way to do that except if some projects start experimenting with it :-) Apr 10 23:23:40 njs: It does seem like a really attractive feature and one I can see OE potentially using in the future Apr 10 23:24:22 RP: yeah Apr 10 23:25:07 Its quite neat its possible at the moment with a bot :) Apr 10 23:25:19 RP: having structured process makes a huge difference on development. _so_ much easier just to know what's going on, and not always feel like you're panicked, confused, overwhelmed... Apr 10 23:27:23 njs: We were considering whether we should limit access to certain core components of opembedded such as the classes directory. We disucssed the idea of having changes to those areas only made after its agreed (signed?) by two other people (or whatever). Apr 10 23:27:27 code review likewise, doesn't have to take much time at all to get major benefits (who writes books without a proofreader? and code is a lot easier to screw up than prose!) Apr 10 23:28:09 nod. don't really know enough about that code or your culture to comment :-) Apr 10 23:28:56 njs: Certain bits have a lot more impact that other outlying parts and we can see a need to add more protection to those critical bits Apr 10 23:30:02 Recently we've given new developers access and they've not been entirely familiar with the addmittedly largely unwritten code of conduct we sort of follow :-/ Apr 10 23:30:32 a general principle I know is that one should be wary of the difference between structure and control -- there's often an temptation to do things like give people super-fine-grained permissions (you can write to _these 3 dirs_ only!), etc. Apr 10 23:31:19 but it seems like in practice, it's better to use technical means as a guide and to provide structure -- help you keep track of what's going on, make it take explicit work to do something weird, etc. -- and leave enforcement itself to social conventions Apr 10 23:31:33 (e.g., http://www.producingoss.com/html-chunk/vc.html#vc-authz ) Apr 10 23:31:58 We basically agreed we'd want this protected area as small as possible Apr 10 23:32:30 like, maybe it would be better to have a rule "commits to this area shoudl be read over by at least one other core contributor before being integrated", than "this area cannot be modified unless you hunt down some other people and get them to stamp off on it" Apr 10 23:32:44 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r799028f5... 10/packages/gcc/gcc_3.3.4.bb: gcc: prepending to PREMIRRORS nullifies the point of PREMIRRORS Apr 10 23:32:46 (again, dunno what you were actually talking about, just some general experience Apr 10 23:32:48 ) Apr 10 23:32:49 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rfd92dd07... 10/packages/gcc/ (gcc-cross_3.4.4.bb gcc-package-cross.inc): gcc-cross: fix packaging Apr 10 23:32:53 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r95bbc775... 10/packages/gpe-session-scripts/ (2 files in 2 dirs): gpe-session-scripts: reinstate volume applet and fix order of other applets Apr 10 23:32:57 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r5da97396... 10/packages/matchbox-panel/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matchbox-panel: add a patch from svn that slightly improves applet resizing (but doesn't fix it entirely) Apr 10 23:33:02 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r6089f32b... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: prefer minilite 0.50 Apr 10 23:33:06 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r064c6a21... 10/packages/meta/bootstrap-image.bb: bootstrap-image: remove bogus familiar FEED_URIS. enabling both opie and x11 feeds will lead to breakage. Apr 10 23:33:10 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r7a87bb89... 10/conf/machine/h6300.conf: h6300.conf: inherit linux_modules to make linux_module_packages() available. Apr 10 23:33:14 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r9ceb87f9... 10/packages/h2200-bootloader/h2200-bootloader.bb: h2200-bootloader: fix packaging Apr 10 23:33:19 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r45100d51... 10/packages/libmatchbox/libmatchbox_1.8.bb: libmatchbox: add 1.8 Apr 10 23:33:23 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r2a6827ca... 10/packages/classpath/classpath_0.18.bb: classpath 0.18: fix DEPENDS Apr 10 23:33:27 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r7c2089aa... 10/packages/gtk+/ (gtk+-2.6.10/unbreak-gdkproperty-x11-c.patch gtk+_2.6.10.bb): gtk+ 2.6.10: revert size checking patch introduced shortly before 2.6.10 and reverted upstream in 2.8 branch Apr 10 23:33:32 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r48bad7e0... 10/packages/jamvm/jamvm_1.4.2.bb: jamvm: add 1.4.2 from .dev. Apr 10 23:33:36 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r162e2eee... 10/packages/classpath/classpath_0.90.bb: classpath: add 0.90. Fixes AWT breakage experienced with 0.18. Apr 10 23:33:40 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r82128220... 10/packages/gd/gd_2.0.22.bb: gd: fix packaging Apr 10 23:33:44 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf1feb53b... 10/packages/gnuplot/gnuplot_4.0.0.bb: gnuplot: fix subpackage dependencies Apr 10 23:33:45 njs: We were also talking about the idea of asking for patches touching these areas to be run past the mailing list first Apr 10 23:33:48 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r34d6b2bb... 10/packages/glibmm/glibmm_2.4.5.bb: glibmm 2.4: fix packaging Apr 10 23:33:52 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf4364fba... 10/packages/gnumeric/files/remove-docs.patch: gnumeric: add missing file remove-docs.patch from .dev Apr 10 23:33:56 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r5337fad9... 10/packages/python/ (python-pygtk2/obey-path.patch python-pygtk2_2.6.2.bb): python-pygtk2: fix packaging and get rid of some hardcoded build-time paths. fixes the dependency issue described in hh.org Bug #1378. Apr 10 23:34:00 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r2f808124... 10/packages/bitchx/bitchx_1.1.bb: bitchx: package previously unpackaged files in -defmsgs, -help, -scripts, -translations subpackages Apr 10 23:34:04 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r4ee22168... 10/packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0_2.6.4.bb: glib-2.0: slightly improve packaging. Apr 10 23:34:05 njs which should be the general princpiple anyway... Apr 10 23:34:08 03rw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf14a8701... 10/packages/glibmm/glibmm_2.4.5.bb: glibmm: add proper RCONFLICTS and RREPLACES Apr 10 23:34:10 RP: nod. Apr 10 23:34:30 RP: that's a common trick. It'd be nice if there was more tool support for that sort of thing, e.g. in the VCS Apr 10 23:34:47 RP: though I admit I'm not sure what exactly the tools should do :-) Apr 10 23:35:17 njs: The idea of signing off the change and only activating the patch after two other sigs was one way a tool might handle it Apr 10 23:35:23 yeah Apr 10 23:35:59 njs: Part of the problem is that OE doesn't exactly have a leader at the moment so people knowing what they can and can't touch is tricky :-/ Apr 10 23:37:21 remember cradle-to-grave, though -- need some way to notify people when new patches are posted, what happens to patches that needed to be sent back for more changes, how do I find patches to review.. :-) Apr 10 23:37:48 nod. though leaders are kind of overrated in FOSS anyway, it's not like they actually can _lead_ things very much :-) Apr 10 23:38:07 njs: Maybe we need a branch for this patch tracking :) Apr 10 23:38:36 and mutliple heads would tell you how many patches needed reviewing :} Apr 10 23:38:46 that's one option :-) Apr 10 23:39:07 you might get a little more mileage out of the tool by saying one patch=one branch Apr 10 23:39:44 I'd be happy with that, if we could group braches Apr 10 23:41:03 Obviously some branches are going to have much greater importance than others and we're need a way to split them into categories, a bit like a bug status in bugzilla Apr 10 23:41:34 I suspect certs might come into this somewhere but I'm no expert :) Apr 10 23:41:37 that way, it's easy for people to collaborate on a single patch, etc. (the conventional review cycle is "read code, write notes on it, send the notes back as a list of things to fix" -- but this is silly, if there are obvious fixes, the reviewer might as well just make them if they want. branches easily support multiple people working on them simultaneously...) Apr 10 23:41:44 http://mt.xaraya.com/com.xaraya.core/index.psp Apr 10 23:42:30 ^^ xaraya uses some special certs on branches to give branch descriptions and statuses; then they have a web tool that finds the most recent such certs on each branch, and displays them all together Apr 10 23:43:24 If you look at bugs.openembedded.org, we probably have 300 open bugs and maybe 100 open patches in there which is going to be a lot of branches to list without some kind of filtering Apr 10 23:44:10 I'll show zecke that link as he's thinking of something similar with his tinderbox status reporting Apr 10 23:44:38 it'd be possible to do something similar with statuses like "finished" (doesn't show up on the list by default -- or just infer this from whether or not its been merged to trunk! you can read that out of the history graph...), "ready for review" (query for these to find things to review), "reviewed and ready for integration", etc. Apr 10 23:45:44 but from the commandline tool, you wouldn't get the filtering and such filtering would be tricky as everyone would have a different set of needs for statuses? Apr 10 23:46:02 (oh, also a useful link on conventions and permissions: http://www.producingoss.com/html-chunk/vc.html#vc-authz ... actually, that whole book is rather nice.) Apr 10 23:46:19 you could write a command line tool that knew how to do that kind of filtering :-) Apr 10 23:46:42 (probably it would be the right first step, lot easier to prototype things and try them out that way, then building them into monotone's core.) Apr 10 23:47:22 yes, I can understand that. montone would then just be the backend. Its got a lots of attractions to it :) Apr 10 23:48:30 it's not very hard to interface to mtn from, say, python; there's a reasonably extensive set of commands to query the db, and python interfaces to them. (and we're always happy to add more commands, if it turns out there are useful things that are hard to do.) Apr 10 23:49:17 I'm not a python guru but we have people who are :) Apr 10 23:50:33 yeah, I was thinking about bitbake :-) most of the automation commands are even easy to interface from sh, which is about as lowest-common-denominator as it gets... Apr 10 23:51:15 I have been known to work on bitbake, despite not knowning python very well :) Apr 10 23:51:29 I can manage sh :) Apr 10 23:55:12 I'd best get some sleep. 'night all Apr 10 23:56:32 njs: Let us know when you think montone is ready for OE to upgrade to btw. I'm looking forward to that (but we do need to make sure its not premature) :) Apr 10 23:56:35 RP: btw, do you mind if I post this conversation to monotone-devel? I think other people might be interested in the general process stuff. Apr 10 23:57:30 njs: no, that's fine with me Apr 11 03:59:35 anyone awake? Apr 11 04:00:16 i cant say i am that helpful or useful Apr 11 04:00:19 heh Apr 11 04:00:25 this time difference thing is killer Apr 11 04:00:45 I'm here, but whether I'd be of any help is another story... Apr 11 04:00:47 thats what breakfast id for :) Apr 11 04:01:02 You can try me though... Apr 11 04:04:33 i'm kernel hacking with pxamci and the mmc/sd code. have stuff working but first mount attempt always reports 'device or resource busy' even though the mount is successful. subsequent umount/mounts are fine Apr 11 04:21:00 sounds kinda like a logic or default test flaw Apr 11 04:37:32 hrm Apr 11 04:37:36 i have no idea where to start looking Apr 11 04:41:24 in the error reporting stuff Apr 11 04:41:49 just look and see if it actually gets passed valid data the first time through Apr 11 04:44:29 what gets passed what data Apr 11 04:44:52 error reporting code in busybox mount, hrm Apr 11 04:46:36 no that would most likly be a kernel message i'd think Apr 11 04:46:59 KERNEL_ALERT or KERNEL_ERROR Apr 11 04:47:28 since it is related to device activation in the kernel Apr 11 04:47:42 otherwise your right and it is an application level bug Apr 11 04:49:10 doubt its app level Apr 11 04:49:18 whoa busybox has init? screw sysvinit then Apr 11 04:49:51 busybox uses sysvinit from what i understand Apr 11 04:50:01 or a variation there of Apr 11 04:50:22 depening on the distro of course Apr 11 04:50:29 depending* Apr 11 05:03:30 modprobe: failed to load module mousedev Apr 11 05:03:33 anyone know how to stop that Apr 11 05:04:47 disable it? Apr 11 05:06:11 hotplug tries to load it for some reason Apr 11 05:06:18 i don't know how to tell it not to try Apr 11 05:06:28 i figured out the mount issue, only occurs when there's an entry in fstab Apr 11 05:06:33 which leads me to believe it might actually be app level Apr 11 05:07:25 look in your /etc/module Apr 11 05:07:38 or whatever it may be named Apr 11 05:07:47 there are a few ways Apr 11 05:12:58 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r738b5da1... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r63/README: Unslung: README firmware flashing procedure updated Apr 11 05:13:03 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r1eee7d06... 10/conf/distro/unslung.conf: Unslung: update URI for unslung 6.8 beta modules Apr 11 05:18:54 tried /etc/hotplug/blacklist but no go Apr 11 05:19:03 might be because i'm using hotplug-ng Apr 11 06:11:08 morning Apr 11 07:43:51 morning Apr 11 07:58:41 morning all Apr 11 07:59:20 <_law_> hi all Apr 11 07:59:31 hey RP _law_ Apr 11 07:59:43 <_law_> ot: is someone here how know how i could create a new pseudo-tty ? Apr 11 08:01:58 openpty() Apr 11 08:04:51 <_law_> pb_, and how can i create the device in /dev? Apr 11 08:05:50 <_law_> i dont wana have a dynamic tty Apr 11 08:12:13 03xora 07org.oe.dev * ra5073c2c... 10/packages/gnome/orbit2-native_2.14.0.bb: orbit2-native_2.14.0.bb : fix the SRC_URI bug #830 Apr 11 08:20:49 _law_: er, mknod, same as any other device Apr 11 08:23:31 morning Apr 11 08:23:39 hi hrw|work Apr 11 08:23:50 hey hrw|work Apr 11 08:24:13 * hrw|work want cherrypicker in mtn Apr 11 08:57:04 http://www.alpinetop.com/ if someone interested in stuff for PDA (not zaurus anyway) Apr 11 08:59:30 interesting, the PSP sync+charge cable would work with my Akita I bet... Apr 11 09:01:21 johnX: akita lack power connectors in I/O port? Apr 11 09:02:11 I'm pretty sure it can't charge from it's USB mini-b Apr 11 09:02:31 actually, that's easy to test...one sec Apr 11 09:02:59 <_guillermo> hostap-modules is not compiling in akita, any known issue? Apr 11 09:04:43 _guillermo: akita use in-kernel ones Apr 11 09:04:58 johnX: I mean I/O port not USB port Apr 11 09:06:02 hmm, it's blocked off by plastic on mine and I never bothered pulling the plastic off Apr 11 09:06:39 Sharp apparently doesn't want us end-users to use it for some reason or another :shrugs: Apr 11 09:06:47 johnX: older then cxx00 can be charged by this port Apr 11 09:06:56 yes, like my 5500 Apr 11 09:06:57 johnX: in cxx00 this port is very limited anyway Apr 11 09:07:34 that's what I've heard Apr 11 09:07:36 <_guillermo> hrw|work: why is it trying to be compiled then? Apr 11 09:08:09 <_guillermo> hrw|work: forget it, I think it's been fixed Apr 11 09:09:26 johnX: cxx00 SharpIO port is only for JTAG and Serial Apr 11 09:09:31 i have used it for serial Apr 11 09:09:46 that's what I thought Apr 11 09:10:06 thus my interest in that neat little PSP sync+charge cable Apr 11 09:10:24 i've got a "P2Go" cable Apr 11 09:10:35 also i have the "Firstclass" cable Apr 11 09:10:54 the P2Go has an USB to PSP/cxx00 power connector adapter Apr 11 09:11:01 it works slow to charge, but it does work Apr 11 09:11:19 the Firstclass cable has both USB sync and charge Apr 11 09:11:43 ah, the PSP one I looked at was one of those retractable ones Apr 11 09:12:12 yes, the Firstclass and P2Go cables are retractable Apr 11 09:12:47 I might have to pick one up then Apr 11 09:13:48 the C3100's adapter makes a loud high pitched noise when under load Apr 11 09:13:53 very annoying :( Apr 11 09:14:21 I used to use a PSP power brick that did the same thing Apr 11 09:14:26 oh Apr 11 09:14:30 it was like this muffled scream Apr 11 09:14:34 i wish it did not have to .. yeah Apr 11 09:14:41 such a noise it keeps me awake Apr 11 09:16:26 it was really nice to have the extra power though...I need to find someone who makes something similar except of higher quality Apr 11 09:17:35 it may be difficult to find inductors which are not making that noise Apr 11 09:18:02 my adapter for the C3000 works without such a noise, in combination with a "MyPet" japanese to US power converter Apr 11 09:19:09 well, my AC adapter (both of them actually) don't make any noise, it was just the PSP external battery pack that did (then proceeded to break) Apr 11 09:19:13 I have two Z and one power supply but it works ok and quiet Apr 11 09:23:11 <_guillermo> hrw|work: I was wrong again, hostap-modules is trying to be compiled, this is a machine problem, isn't it? Apr 11 09:24:29 _guillermo: .dev should have it resolved iirc Apr 11 09:26:35 ~lart automake Apr 11 09:26:35 * ibot nukes automake with a single large nuke Apr 11 09:33:25 <_guillermo> hrw|work: I'm using dev Apr 11 09:33:36 _guillermo: and I'm not Apr 11 09:35:12 _guillermo: remove the RRECOMMENDS for hostap-modules from hostap-utils Apr 11 09:36:32 * hrw|work need automake magic Apr 11 09:42:33 ARGH Apr 11 09:42:42 ~lart enca and cross-compilation Apr 11 09:42:42 * ibot throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at enca and cross-compilation Apr 11 09:43:12 hrw|work, are you going from the .bb I posted as bug #720 Apr 11 09:43:14 ? Apr 11 09:43:20 yep Apr 11 09:43:26 look at the last comment Apr 11 09:43:34 it might help Apr 11 09:43:34 johnX: added that Apr 11 09:43:40 | /bin/sh: ./make_hash: cannot execute binary file Apr 11 09:43:54 it need to be build with BUILD_CC not with CC Apr 11 09:44:06 and it is automake... argh Apr 11 09:44:33 so you're trying not to use the hacked up patches I made, or is my stuff not working for you? Apr 11 09:45:52 those patches were awful... I changed 'dont-run-tests' to easier one and does not like makefile.patch Apr 11 09:47:36 I fought with it a long time, and towards the end I just got mad and hit it with the ugly stick until it compiled Apr 11 09:49:13 trying now... Apr 11 09:51:34 nope ;( Apr 11 09:53:06 RP: THX for mail to Apr 11 09:53:13 RP: to Chris Lambrou Apr 11 09:53:28 hrw|work: :) Apr 11 09:54:34 it was 2005.04.05 when I got c760 Apr 11 09:57:56 hrw|work: One year on. Not bad :) Apr 11 09:58:39 ;) Apr 11 09:59:07 nice quote got on reply... 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