**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 20 09:59:56 2006 Apr 20 10:08:40 good morning Apr 20 10:09:06 The Poodle from the John Lenz is being held by customs :-( Apr 20 10:09:36 :( Apr 20 10:10:00 ~lart customs Apr 20 10:10:00 * ibot blasts customs to oblivion with a kamehameha wave Apr 20 10:10:13 good news: one user want to donate borzoi+wlan+bt Apr 20 10:10:48 hrw|work: bloody hell, thats generous Apr 20 10:12:23 XorA: but I have to dig where it was.. Apr 20 10:13:43 hrw|work: That's very generous. Any ideas what to do with it? Did anything come of that person I put you in touch with? Apr 20 10:13:56 *borzoi* Apr 20 10:14:32 * zecke looks as his wallet and decides to get a (new) bike instead of a CPU+case+wires Apr 20 10:14:39 goxboxlive: hey Apr 20 10:14:48 I guess I should just pay this customs bill but its annoying. I've probably just found a use for the paypal donations I guess :) Apr 20 10:15:38 zecke: :-) Hi there, dont ask me how it's going. I refuse to answer :-) Apr 20 10:16:07 goxboxlive: I don't care for your refusal :--) Apr 20 10:18:48 zecke: Well i have had som problem with monotone. The new oe.db needed version > 0.25 and i was using 0.24. And i upgraded to 0.26, but it refused to do the checkout so i downgraded to 0.25. And i have cleaned my work directory and cache and stared all over again. It's building it's locales now :-) .. Apr 20 10:19:08 oh Apr 20 10:21:21 RP: are you still interested in broken 7x0? Apr 20 10:25:20 pgas: Yes, very much so Apr 20 10:26:14 I have a broken 760 (from raduga) the only thing not working is the lcd Apr 20 10:26:35 I use it as a server but I'll soon replace it with something else Apr 20 10:26:58 I'll contact you then Apr 20 10:27:29 pgas: If its just going to sit unused otherwise, there are things I can use it for Apr 20 10:27:36 pgas: Does the backlight work on it? Apr 20 10:27:43 yes Apr 20 10:28:11 touch screen too, nothing appears on screen seems to be the only problem Apr 20 10:28:23 (I can even use X through vnc) Apr 20 10:28:32 You might even be able to fix it :) Apr 20 10:28:33 pgas: My C760 has a patched up backlight board so it might even help repair my 760! Apr 20 10:30:42 RP: that broken resistors or something? Apr 20 10:31:11 hrw|work: I blew the fuse chip on it. It now has a loop of fuse wire soldered in! Apr 20 10:34:27 RP: what is policy of adding pcmcia ids? Apr 20 10:34:59 hrw|work: I'm happy enough to add them. As and when we have a batch, I'll push upstream Apr 20 10:35:09 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/hrw-pcmcia-ids-r0.patch for one user (8GB CF card) Apr 20 10:35:18 hrw|work: Just add a pcmcia_ids patch to the end of the kernel patch series Apr 20 10:35:25 ok Apr 20 10:35:41 RP: there will be a list of ide-cs + hostap ones Apr 20 10:36:00 hrw|work: That's fine - they can all live in the same patch Apr 20 10:36:16 I can easily split it up if needed for pushing upstream Apr 20 10:43:54 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/hrw-pcmcia-ids-r1.patch - that kind (with information of each change + S-o-b is ok? Apr 20 10:47:58 hrw|work: Yes, its fine with me. For the IDE change, you could always add /* Seagate 8GB microdrive */ to the end of the line Apr 20 10:48:29 I liked this bug report Apr 20 10:48:43 I have spend my dirty $$$ on a microdrive, now make it work Apr 20 10:50:54 RP: ok Apr 20 10:59:42 ~spell binded Apr 20 10:59:44 possible spellings for binded: bind ed bind-ed bonded banded bended bounded blinded bandied bunted binder binged binned birded minded rinded winded Apr 20 11:00:07 bind, binded or bonded for past of bind? Apr 20 11:00:11 hrw|work: past tense of bind? Apr 20 11:00:20 hrw|work: bound Apr 20 11:00:36 hi all Apr 20 11:00:36 thx Apr 20 11:00:41 27 With pcmcia-cs -> pcmciautils change some cards which was working with Apr 20 11:00:41 28 hostap driver now are bound into orinoco driver. Apr 20 11:00:47 ~stab gprs Apr 20 11:00:49 * ibot runs at gprs with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Apr 20 11:00:51 Er, bound is missing... Apr 20 11:01:01 Gah. Apr 20 11:11:16 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5f9a0689... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus 2.6.16: added few new PCMCIA ids Apr 20 11:11:20 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb527e063... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus 2.6.16: added few new PCMCIA ids Apr 20 11:16:12 ~stab pcmciautils Apr 20 11:16:14 * ibot runs at pcmciautils with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Apr 20 11:16:31 013 is evil I tell you! Apr 20 11:17:09 zecke: did you fix GettingStarted to poin to the stable branch? Apr 20 11:17:16 point* Apr 20 11:17:28 koen: there was no bugreport, I can fix it if you want to Apr 20 11:26:04 Zecke: Are you there? Apr 20 11:28:48 yes Apr 20 11:29:10 zecke: I have now runned: bitbake task-bootstrap, and it the ended with: Attempt bulids 45. I i can se all the *.ipk's in the .../deploy/ipk directory. Am i now ready to run 'bitbake bootstrap-image' or do i have to do some other things? Apr 20 11:30:41 goxboxlive: ready you are Apr 20 11:30:49 NOTE: package enchant-1.2.5-r0: task do_distribute_sources: started Apr 20 11:30:49 NOTE: Licenses (['unknown']) are not all listed in SRC_DISTRIBUTE_LICENSES, skipping source distribution Apr 20 11:30:52 koen|work: ? Apr 20 11:31:06 oops Apr 20 11:31:35 hrw: thx Apr 20 11:31:37 goxboxlive: you could have run bitbake bootstrap-image from the beginning Apr 20 11:31:42 hrw|work: is that with inherit source_pkg? Apr 20 11:31:52 zecke: ok :-) Apr 20 11:32:12 koen|work: SRC_DIST_LOCAL = "symlink" Apr 20 11:32:12 INHERIT += "src_distribute_local" Apr 20 11:32:47 goxboxlive: I will make another test for your issue from yesterday Apr 20 11:46:06 did OE consider darcs when moving off BK? Apr 20 11:46:36 they have looked at it Apr 20 11:46:41 where did it fall short? Apr 20 11:46:43 darcs is Haskell based? Apr 20 11:47:01 yes; is that why? o.o Apr 20 11:47:10 I think that is one issue Apr 20 11:47:13 hang on Apr 20 11:47:43 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DarcsScmTrial Apr 20 11:48:01 luke-jr_: too many reasons against darcs ;) Apr 20 11:48:30 "Not even bitbake used 1.3 GB on 332 bitbakefiles!" Apr 20 11:48:53 ;) Apr 20 11:48:56 OE can't build darcs Apr 20 11:49:03 lol Apr 20 11:49:16 koen|away: that's a shortcoming of OE more than darcs, IMO ;) Apr 20 11:49:19 there is no way to get a arm-linux-ghc Apr 20 11:49:26 luke-jr_: no it isn't Apr 20 11:49:37 ghc sucks donkey ass Apr 20 11:49:42 oh Apr 20 11:49:59 luke-jr_: I can't pull a week of patches using ghc Apr 20 11:50:09 luke-jr_: it fails with ~80 files and claims too many files open Apr 20 11:50:12 the imagary of sucking a donkey's ass upsets me Apr 20 11:50:14 luke-jr_: and darcs is unsecure Apr 20 11:51:39 security bugs can be fixed Apr 20 11:52:00 luke-jr_: having one open for month... is a bad sign Apr 20 11:52:10 indeed Apr 20 11:52:22 luke-jr_: and sure, even monotone had a security issue Apr 20 11:52:43 luke-jr_: and my system was exploitable due it (HFS+ case insensitive) Apr 20 11:53:17 monotone 0.25.2 has a .bb in the bugtracker Apr 20 11:53:55 us not fixing packages with security issues, is a bad sign as well Apr 20 11:54:06 Hm, Svn didn't have that bad of a report Apr 20 11:54:27 luke-jr_: it is quite slow for operations like svn diff Apr 20 11:54:30 hrw|work: enchant is fixed in .dev Apr 20 11:54:34 luke-jr_: and recently svk blew up for me ;) Apr 20 11:55:28 zecke: speed? compared to monotone? o.O Apr 20 11:55:43 luke-jr_: for operations like svn diff Apr 20 11:55:53 luke-jr_: also grepping in svn co's is no fun as well Apr 20 11:56:05 the monotone devs seem to care about OE problems Apr 20 11:57:20 | cp: cannot stat `/home/hrw/devel/oe/branch.oz354x/packages/abiword/files/./abiword-plugin-pdf-poppler.patch': No such file or directory Apr 20 11:57:23 | Failed to import patch abiword-plugin-pdf-poppler.patch Apr 20 11:57:47 hey zecke Apr 20 11:58:46 and peeps Apr 20 11:59:16 mithro: hey, I have something but not like the metaclass :} Apr 20 11:59:28 is the vote over? Apr 20 11:59:34 ? Apr 20 11:59:39 Scms Apr 20 11:59:46 luke-jr_: well, ... Apr 20 12:01:14 you talking about the using classes for copy on write? Apr 20 12:01:14 ...and what's up with 'phil'? o.O Apr 20 12:01:38 luke-jr_: he is basicly undecided between monotone and git (it seems) Apr 20 12:02:26 zecke: FWIW, I sent mtd patches using git the other day and found it quite nice to use Apr 20 12:02:31 BTW, a pro for Svn not mentioned: very easy to backup using FSFS Apr 20 12:02:43 zecke: I mean the subject "Win Phil back" Apr 20 12:02:46 svn isn't really an option Apr 20 12:02:54 mithro: eh... it was listed =p\ Apr 20 12:02:57 hi mithro Apr 20 12:03:03 hey RP Apr 20 12:03:12 luke-jr_: The option would be svk Apr 20 12:03:17 mithro: some ISVs are using svn Apr 20 12:03:29 mithro: so it is an option :} Apr 20 12:03:38 ISVs? Apr 20 12:03:48 RP: svk requires something other than Svn on the repository? Apr 20 12:03:53 e.g. RP could (maybe) merge some stuff better between OE to poky (and backwards) using svk Apr 20 12:04:18 mithro: people using OE, but neither making koen nor me flithy rich (ISV) Apr 20 12:04:36 mithro: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/data_cow.patch Apr 20 12:04:41 mithro: MetaCow and createMetaCow Apr 20 12:04:43 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r2dcc65cf... 10/packages/abiword/files/abiword-plugin-pdf-poppler.patch: abiword-plugins: added missing abiword-plugin-pdf-poppler.patch Apr 20 12:04:49 Independent Software Venders Apr 20 12:05:09 mithro: njs identified the misuage of __dict__ (I will use hasattr, getattr, setattr next time) Apr 20 12:05:22 mithro: and the possible issue with filter Apr 20 12:05:30 mithro: any obvious speed improvements? Apr 20 12:07:10 zecke: still trying to figure out what exactly differnt you are doing with this patch? Apr 20 12:07:26 mithro: avoiding the deepcopy Apr 20 12:07:31 mithro: in createCopy Apr 20 12:08:05 ouch Apr 20 12:08:26 damn Apr 20 12:08:55 ahh deepcopy is not a thing you want to use ever really :P Apr 20 12:11:04 mithro: and for COW, I basicly need a new classobj for each instance/copy Apr 20 12:12:03 zecke: okay then Apr 20 12:12:04 umm, it's more avoiding a shallow copy, isn't it? Apr 20 12:12:20 subclasses act like shallow copies, not deep copies Apr 20 12:12:44 njs: deep copy was the 'safest' Apr 20 12:12:50 - data._seen_overrides = copy.deepcopy(self._seen_overrides) Apr 20 12:12:51 - data._special_values = copy.deepcopy(self._special_values) Apr 20 12:12:51 Apr 20 12:12:51 njs: we want to shallow copy Apr 20 12:14:04 zecke: this stuff could be rewritten to be alot clearer :P Apr 20 12:14:20 sure Apr 20 12:14:49 first iteration, the obstacle is not being clear Apr 20 12:14:56 but using the right language construct Apr 20 12:15:37 well using the right language construct often makes things clearer :P Apr 20 12:15:50 who wrote the exult bb file in the nonworking folder? Apr 20 12:16:32 btw when do you ever need to make a copy? Apr 20 12:16:41 if I'm understanding what it's suppose to Apr 20 12:16:42 mithro: getattr, setattr, key/filter/lambda Apr 20 12:17:06 mithro: mostly for tmp changes (to make an update_data call) Apr 20 12:17:51 tmp changes? why not just use another COW layer and discard it after? Apr 20 12:17:56 koen|gprs: NOTE: package epdfview-0.1.2-r1: task do_configure: failed Apr 20 12:18:01 koen|gprs: | checking for poppler-glib >= 0.5.0 gdk-2.0 >= 2.6.0 pango... Requested 'poppler-glib >= 0.5.0' but version of poppler-glib is 0.3.3 Apr 20 12:18:43 hrw|work: bitbake can not yet do versioned DEPENDS Apr 20 12:19:43 zecke: koen added that stuff so he will get idea what is wrong faster then I do Apr 20 12:20:27 hrw|work: my guess is, bitbake selected version 0.3.3 (already built) as preferred provider Apr 20 12:20:45 zecke: or 0.5.0 was not added at all Apr 20 12:21:01 okay :) Apr 20 12:24:04 zecke: do you have tests for the DataSmart? Apr 20 12:24:20 mithro: some Apr 20 12:24:27 mithro: via python data.py Apr 20 12:24:47 I think i could rewrite this to be clearer and faster in a couple of hours :P Apr 20 12:25:05 you don't study Software Engineering, don't you? Apr 20 12:25:26 yes i've done SE Apr 20 12:25:39 have you learned something? ;) Apr 20 12:25:42 and I agree that rewritting is normally bad Apr 20 12:25:50 mithro: not that rewriting Apr 20 12:26:08 ? Apr 20 12:26:16 mithro: You don't know the bottleneck, you don't know the constraints, many others Apr 20 12:26:40 mithro: and making a statement I can do it in XXX minutes is dangerous Apr 20 12:27:15 mithro: I could pin point you to that, we have no good metrics on how to decide if your rewrite is better or at least good enough Apr 20 12:27:25 mithro: but I agree one can improve data_smart a lot Apr 20 12:28:02 mithro: I actually learned one lesson with BitBake development (where I have not written 99% of the code) Apr 20 12:28:24 mithro: I don't have an accurate model, to even predict the effects of my doings ;) Apr 20 12:28:35 my problem is that I can't really do any improvement without doing a lot of rewriting so I can understand it properly Apr 20 12:28:48 which means I need something to make sure I don't introduce a new problems Apr 20 12:28:53 hence the question about tests :P Apr 20 12:29:15 mithro: inaccurate at most parts (w.i.p) (time is my constraint) Apr 20 12:29:28 mithro: you should do stuff the next weeks as well Apr 20 12:29:36 i was guessing so Apr 20 12:29:41 mithro: and I hope to find some time to improve the tests Apr 20 12:29:53 which is why i havn't done it right now Apr 20 12:29:57 mithro: they pydoc tests are nice, but ... Apr 20 12:30:25 now nowing about shallow Copy of classes Apr 20 12:30:39 most of the DataSmart can be simplified for sure Apr 20 12:31:29 mithro: but back to MetaCow, besides the above mentioned issue (not using getattr,setattr,keys) Apr 20 12:31:35 mithro: how can one improve it? Apr 20 12:31:55 it works okay? Apr 20 12:32:11 mithro: found any issues? Apr 20 12:32:25 (it had one) Apr 20 12:32:45 i'm not sure it works the way you expect Apr 20 12:34:08 mithro: okay (due the lack of docs), what do you think I expect? Apr 20 12:35:33 standard COW behavour Apr 20 12:36:55 this is why I ask for review, where do you think is a violation? Apr 20 12:37:46 i can't figure out where you are getting the arguments Apr 20 12:39:44 s/getting the arguments/getting from __dict__/ Apr 20 12:40:28 the keys? Apr 20 12:41:17 ie where do you do a "return self.__dict__[key]" or similar Apr 20 12:41:33 hrw|work: oops, I added poppler 0.5, but forgot to commit Apr 20 12:41:39 mithro: that is inproper way... (fromt he first iteration) Apr 20 12:41:47 mithro: it is accessed in data.py Apr 20 12:42:00 koen|gprs: poppler 0.5.1 is in branch - will build it Apr 20 12:42:01 ? Apr 20 12:42:05 mithro: really bad, the __dict__ is accessed directly Apr 20 12:42:21 koen|gprs: does abiword-plugins need rebuild against poppler 0.5.1? Apr 20 12:42:21 zecke: I finaly did it. I manage to make a boostrap-image. :-) Apr 20 12:42:25 getting from the __dict__ won't fall back to parent classes if I remeber correctly Apr 20 12:42:49 mithro: the dict contains all keys (from my python shell tests) Apr 20 12:43:42 zecke: But just to be sure. If i want to edit something, maybe add something. Is it just enough to do the -cclean and then build it again? Apr 20 12:44:04 goxboxlive: that depends on your change Apr 20 12:44:14 goxboxlive: conf/local.conf (e.g. different compiler flags) Apr 20 12:44:15 zecke: can we move to a channel where we can paste stuff? Apr 20 12:44:33 goxboxlive: you need to rebuild everything Apr 20 12:44:34 http://pastebin.com/671190 argh... Apr 20 12:44:40 #bitbake? Apr 20 12:44:57 zecke: Even download all the locales and glibs again? Apr 20 12:45:09 goxboxlive: 'download' Apr 20 12:45:18 goxboxlive: it really depends on your kind of change Apr 20 12:45:24 goxboxlive: so there is no general answer Apr 20 12:45:44 ok i c. Thanks a lot for your help. Apr 20 12:48:50 goxboxlive: e.g. if you change BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS Apr 20 12:49:01 goxboxlive: you could change the PR of task-bootstrap (+1) Apr 20 12:49:16 goxboxlive: and bitbake bootstrap-image would rebuild Apr 20 13:01:31 hrw|work: abiword-plugins doesnt work Apr 20 13:02:12 hrw|work: epdfview needs poppler 0.5.1 Apr 20 13:02:41 XorA: poppler 0.5.1 in upgrades, epdfview 0.1.2 too Apr 20 13:02:54 hrw|work: I was jujst scrollback reading :-) Apr 20 13:03:15 ok Apr 20 13:03:39 hrw|work: but I wouldnt bother to ship abiword-plugins, they are non functional and some will stop abiword loading Apr 20 13:05:53 XorA: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=69&t=18305&st=80# Apr 20 13:06:03 XorA: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18305&view=findpost&p=123901 even Apr 20 13:07:40 hrw|work: none of the plugins actually work, some just not work more destructively than other Apr 20 13:08:14 ah Apr 20 13:18:45 hrw|work: I'll try to get the plugins working Real Soon(tm) Apr 20 13:19:01 bleh Apr 20 13:19:13 both my laptop and phone has 5% battery left Apr 20 13:19:15 later all Apr 20 13:52:28 hi Apr 20 13:55:03 c Apr 20 13:56:41 morning Apr 20 14:08:12 19 16:04 < zecke> hrw|gone: where do you keep the source for OpenZaurus.org? Apr 20 14:08:22 zecke: openzaurus.org is using wordpress 2.x Apr 20 14:09:49 hrw|work: hehe, this is the answer I have not hoped for. I asked the wrong question Apr 20 14:10:07 hrw|work: where do you keep the sourcecode of the built packages, I was only able to find a couple of tarballs Apr 20 14:10:20 hail zecke Apr 20 14:10:41 hrw|work: treke is in the process of removing old cvs snapshots, and I wanted to check which we are missing (on openzaurus.org) Apr 20 14:10:45 pb__: hail you Apr 20 14:13:53 zecke: I have most of them on ewi and will probably move them into 3.5.4/sources/ Apr 20 14:14:20 hrw|work: and we have everything together? Apr 20 14:14:29 treke|home: in that case feel free to remove the snapshots Apr 20 14:15:32 zecke: I think that I have atleast most of sources for images Apr 20 14:16:42 ~seen reenoo Apr 20 14:16:54 reenoo was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 15h 4m 19s ago, saying: 'lamikr: 'night'. Apr 20 14:17:44 ibot: botmail for reenoo: can you sync .dev with changes from .oz354fam083 branch? Apr 20 14:17:53 ibot: thx Apr 20 14:17:55 np Apr 20 14:29:18 hi Apr 20 14:49:26 zecke: 3.5.4/sources/ will contain source for things which I build for oz 3.5.4x Apr 20 14:52:04 zecke: 406,782,595 bytes in 837 files Apr 20 14:54:06 oh Apr 20 14:55:22 hey everybody, nice to be back. Apr 20 14:55:41 hi Apr 20 14:56:04 is the new bitbake (1.4) in the oe tree yet? Apr 20 14:56:20 might, not Apr 20 14:56:57 i haven't synced to OE in a few weeks, is there any reason why today would be bad? Apr 20 14:57:21 zecke: 1.4 is usable with branches? did I read release info correctly? Apr 20 14:58:26 hrw|work: yes, you might get some 'warnings/errors' on kernel RDEPENDS Apr 20 14:59:27 ok will test in next days then Apr 20 14:59:57 hrw|work: I have built the familiar branch to the point where librsvg failed on me ( generating docs ) Apr 20 15:00:05 great Apr 20 15:00:23 I hope that reenoo will sync .oz354fam083 changes into .dev Apr 20 15:15:29 cu Apr 20 15:17:05 I'm going home now Apr 20 15:20:07 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf6d9d308... 10/packages/opie-bluepin/ (opie-bluepin-1.2.1/bluepin opie-bluepin_1.2.1.bb): opie-bluepin: added wrapper from .oz354fam083 so it should work now Apr 20 15:20:11 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r34eda6b2... 10/packages/xmame/xmame_0.100.bb: xmame: added 0.100 from .oz354fam083 Apr 20 15:29:24 hey RP you about? Apr 20 15:33:29 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9e341f2b... 10/packages/juce/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add juce, a very nice C++ application framework. the .bb is WIP Apr 20 15:33:38 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rac340713... 10/packages/sip/ (sip_3.10.1.bb sip-native_4.2rc1.bb sip4-native_4.4.1.bb): sip-native: add 4.4.1 Apr 20 15:33:42 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc8b301a6... 10/packages/python/python-sip4_4.4.1.bb: python-sip: add version 4.4.1 in preparation of PyQt4 Apr 20 15:49:55 can anyone help me with keys and monotone? I'm confused how to allow access to my private server right now ... Apr 20 15:51:43 \gone Apr 20 15:51:55 ~lart keyboard Apr 20 15:51:55 * ibot wallops keyboard with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long Apr 20 15:54:03 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r1a393a03... 10/packages/altboot/ (altboot_1.0.6.bb altboot_1.0.7-rc1.bb): altboot: Add RRECOMMENDS for e2fsprogs-e2fsck dosfstools ( and kexec-tools for kernel 2.6) Apr 20 15:54:08 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r41473450... 10/packages/udev/ (files/network.sh udev_084.bb): udev: network.sh: Do not ifup an already configured network device again. Apr 20 15:54:12 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r90d1e88c... 10/packages/altboot/ (4 files in 2 dirs): altboot: Add RRECOMMENDS for e2fsprogs-e2fsck dosfstools ( and kexec-tools for kernel 2.6) Apr 20 15:54:17 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r3aa7e8c0... 10/packages/udev/ (files/network.sh udev_084.bb): udev: network.sh: Do not ifup an already configured network device again. Apr 20 16:06:24 bye Apr 20 16:58:05 hi all Apr 20 16:58:49 hi Apr 20 16:58:58 hey shiyee Apr 20 17:08:56 hey kergoth` Apr 20 17:10:57 hey Apr 20 17:12:23 kergoth`: do you have some examples of your OE usage at TI? Apr 20 17:12:59 kergoth`: I got contacted by someone from TI mexico about using OE for their new dev boards Apr 20 17:13:46 not offhand. just maintained a local .oe/.bb repo with local versions of things, and redirected the source urls to a local store and such Apr 20 17:14:53 and ASSUME_PROVIDED = "funky-TI-gcc" with libgcc + TI-glibc in staging + custom TI.shlibs? Apr 20 17:18:36 yep, pretty much. external toolchain and a .bb that staged the other core libs Apr 20 17:19:37 I think I can put those pieces together :) Apr 20 17:20:01 yeah, was nothing fancy. pretty straightforward Apr 20 17:20:58 If it were harder I could convince them to get 'on-site support' Apr 20 17:21:14 which would involve flying one of us to mexico Apr 20 17:24:19 ah. hehe Apr 20 17:27:36 monotone: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in | revs written Apr 20 17:27:37 monotone: 873.1 k | 146.5 k | 632 | 149 | 22 Apr 20 17:27:39 * koen|gprs taps foot Apr 20 17:28:11 * fishhead- bites koen|away's foot Apr 20 17:28:33 * CoreDump|home steps on fishead while he chews on that foot Apr 20 17:31:59 ~lart mkfs.jffs2 Apr 20 17:32:00 * ibot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags mkfs.jffs2 into court suing for $200 million Apr 20 17:32:54 * koen|gprs looks at Angstrom-gpe-image-test-20060420-h2200.rootfs.tar.bz2 Apr 20 17:33:09 * koen|gprs wishes his ipaq wasn't 200km away Apr 20 17:39:19 * chouimat is away: cleaning and being bored Apr 20 17:40:33 hey JustinP Apr 20 17:41:05 is there anything like openboot, lilo etc Apr 20 17:41:11 for arm architecture Apr 20 17:41:20 that will boot a kernel from hd, net etc Apr 20 17:42:21 uboot, redboot, angelboot, LAB, and probably more Apr 20 17:42:48 cool Apr 20 17:42:51 I have a webpal Apr 20 17:43:04 arm7 device with 1 meg flash $400 webtv clone down to $7 Apr 20 17:43:13 the first hacks for it was to put linux in the flash Apr 20 17:43:28 but there is a bricking risk if you don't build the serial port adaptor for it Apr 20 17:43:48 actually that was the only way to flash it Apr 20 17:43:52 was with the serial port Apr 20 17:44:03 one thought thhe stock os replaced with linux you can flash in system etc Apr 20 17:44:21 but anyways the first solutions put the bootloaderand kernel in flash and that makes me uncomftable Apr 20 17:44:38 I rather make the flash just with a bootloader so I only have to flash it when there is a bootloader update Apr 20 17:44:51 and use a hd or something to load the rest Apr 20 17:44:56 I forgot to mention apex Apr 20 17:45:19 and a recent linux doesn't fit in 1MB anymore Apr 20 17:46:17 good cause the least chance of bricking the better :P Apr 20 17:46:38 I still have a ppc board, 5 juiceboxes and a palm m68k all to work on :) Apr 20 17:46:49 anyone here done m68k serial bootstrapping Apr 20 17:47:03 probably going to sell off the juiceboxes, too much work Apr 20 17:49:37 I need someone to teach me the procecure for serial bootstrapping a m68k based palm, if I can get it to exec a linux kernel or even the palm os kernel from ram just once Apr 20 17:49:42 I can repair the damaged flash Apr 20 17:49:46 any clues on this? Apr 20 17:49:49 http://pastebin.ca/50206 Apr 20 17:50:07 are you canadian? Apr 20 17:50:08 can't find quilt source Ithink Apr 20 17:52:45 grrrr Apr 20 17:52:46 stupid gprs Apr 20 17:52:49 Crofton: yes, it can't fetch the source for quilt... do you have cvs installed? Apr 20 17:53:25 I would assume so Apr 20 18:19:52 mithro: I'm here now... Apr 20 18:51:57 mickeyl Apr 20 18:52:02 evening Apr 20 18:52:11 * mickeyl|grrrrr exploding Apr 20 18:52:15 some ass broke into my car Apr 20 18:52:22 crashed the drivers window Apr 20 18:52:27 mickeyl ;( Apr 20 18:52:27 took my tomtom go 500 Apr 20 18:52:28 mickeyl|grrrrr: :-(( Apr 20 18:53:00 ouch :( :( :( Apr 20 18:53:20 and that on a private university parking lot during 10-17 where hundreds of eyes are looking Apr 20 18:53:22 bastards Apr 20 18:53:39 can't believe that no one heard that Apr 20 18:54:05 mickeyl|grrrrr: It sounds surprising nobody saw anything :-/ Apr 20 18:54:17 yeah Apr 20 18:54:19 rp thats normal in germany Apr 20 18:54:24 three monkeys Apr 20 18:54:44 normal in the us too Apr 20 18:55:20 but something like that almost makes the tv news here in australia :) Apr 20 18:55:52 i know i shouldn't have left it in the car, but I have a closed parking garage at home and always take it out when I'm parking in public areas Apr 20 18:56:17 If somebody saw that in the UK, they'd at hopefully attempt to stop them and at least report it... Apr 20 18:59:47 evening all ! Apr 20 19:01:19 hm the tomtom go 500 was one with linux Apr 20 19:01:25 ya Apr 20 19:01:39 i'm not worrying much about the EUR 500 Apr 20 19:01:49 i'm worrying about repair costs for the window Apr 20 19:01:53 oh I would worry Apr 20 19:02:13 BMW will take an arm and a leg for it Apr 20 19:02:14 *sigh* Apr 20 19:02:28 and scratches as well on the drivers door Apr 20 19:03:01 i guess it was a drug addict. there are some guys like that strolling around from time to time around university Apr 20 19:03:59 maybee you vild some little webcam into your car next time Apr 20 19:04:02 build Apr 20 19:04:34 no kidding. i have wlan at the parking lot Apr 20 19:04:44 yes Apr 20 19:05:36 then again, it's my own fault. i'll never leave anything in there again. Apr 20 19:08:16 ~lart gravity Apr 20 19:08:16 * ibot blasts gravity to oblivion with a kamehameha wave Apr 20 19:08:45 * koen|away tries to repair the ac plugs on his powerbook Apr 20 19:09:48 koen there was something magnetic on the new macpros *duck and hide* Apr 20 19:09:58 yes Apr 20 19:10:24 and I'm about ~2300 euros short of buying a macbook pro Apr 20 19:10:33 mickeyl|grrrrr: hell, how annoying Apr 20 19:10:43 which is almost ~1000 euruos more than my powerbook was two years ago Apr 20 19:11:43 pb_: indeed. i can't even be really angry about it. there are lots of more crucial things. i'm more sad that there's that much criminalism in our world. Apr 20 19:12:20 mickeyl|grrrrr: yeah. unfortunately that kind of thing seems to be a fact of life: like you say, there isn't really any point in getting too worked up about it. Apr 20 19:15:15 koen: so yeah, e-image compiled fine for angstrom. Will try today if I get a chance Apr 20 19:15:22 koen: also trying to compile gpe-image ^_^ Apr 20 19:16:20 * mickeyl|grrrrr goes to medicate the scratches he's got from removing the glass smithereens Apr 20 19:17:04 * koen recommends one Leffe Apr 20 19:26:58 evening Apr 20 19:29:21 how can I specify in a bb file that I don't want to use the default 'make' target but my own target like 'make foo'?? Apr 20 19:29:32 koen|away: ooo, gpe-image finished (again, without gpe-nmf). Have you tested any EABI images as yet? Apr 20 19:29:48 cedric: override the do_compile function Apr 20 19:34:57 JustinP: thx Apr 20 19:36:17 heh - how cool to go through a kernel defconfig and see a prompt for LED class Apr 20 19:37:54 hm how can I tell oe not to build linux-openzauraus-2.6.16 package Apr 20 19:37:58 for the simpad Apr 20 19:38:15 CosmicPenguin: :-) Apr 20 19:39:46 i'm having some problems with oe patches Apr 20 19:40:01 can someone take a look at this error and give me some idea of where to look for a solution? Apr 20 19:40:05 http://pastebin.ca/50203 Apr 20 19:41:35 looking at the bb file makes me wonder if cvs hasn't changed invalidating the patch ? Apr 20 19:41:50 http://pastebin.ca/50243 Apr 20 19:41:50 it worked for me the other day Apr 20 19:42:14 i used the wrong link - sorry Apr 20 19:43:15 maxr *g* Apr 20 19:44:10 you know, the new parsing damn near makes the interactive shell sort of obsolete Apr 20 19:44:29 maxr hm soemthing broken with the mtd-package Apr 20 19:44:38 I am going to rebuilding my copy here Apr 20 19:45:12 it also has trouble using cvs and http for downloading bb_sources Apr 20 19:45:39 so i don't know if there's some setting that i've got wrong Apr 20 19:45:50 maxr thats normal with the mtd-cvs server Apr 20 19:45:54 ok Apr 20 19:46:10 CosmicPenguin: I think I upset mickeyl with that ;-) Apr 20 19:46:14 hmmm, it is working for me Apr 20 19:46:35 I think we need to solve your fetching problem Apr 20 19:46:56 i think you're right Apr 20 19:46:59 tha patch applis for me Apr 20 19:47:16 try mv'ing the bb_sources dir Apr 20 19:47:20 blowing away tmp Apr 20 19:47:24 and starting over Apr 20 19:47:27 Crofton, ok Apr 20 19:47:37 do not delete the bb-sources yet ;) Apr 20 19:47:54 ok Apr 20 19:52:19 Ciao all Apr 20 19:52:25 greets Apr 20 19:57:13 CosmicPenguin: How long do you think would be a reasonable amount of time to keep daily CVS snapshots? Apr 20 19:57:27 hi pigi Apr 20 19:57:34 a month? Apr 20 19:57:46 ggilbert 2 weeks is enough Apr 20 19:57:49 I dunno - I guess it all matters how active the project is Apr 20 19:57:57 saving bandwith and disc space Apr 20 20:00:55 * JustinP thinks we should stop with the daily snapshots nonsense Apr 20 20:02:45 * chouimat is away: pub Apr 20 20:22:16 hi pigi Apr 20 20:22:22 hi pb_ Apr 20 20:22:28 how things are going ? Apr 20 20:23:15 pretty good. how are you? Apr 20 20:23:54 fine, thanks. Tired as usual, but fins. Apr 20 20:23:58 s/fins/fine Apr 20 20:32:31 ~ping mickeyl Apr 20 20:32:33 pong mickeyl Apr 20 20:41:00 bye all Apr 20 20:49:05 I've got ultima8 (pagan) on zaurus!!!! Apr 20 20:49:21 s/on/on my Apr 20 21:04:45 * CosmicPenguin finds a use for the shell Apr 20 21:04:51 rebuild is still cool... :) Apr 20 21:08:38 cedric: Neat. You'll have some .bb's to submit? :) Apr 20 21:09:08 RP: yep Apr 20 21:09:27 but it's dead slow Apr 20 21:10:04 don't know if it's pentagram, sdl, or lack of swap Apr 20 21:10:19 cedric: :-( Apr 20 21:11:19 or because I've put the pagan files to a cramfs Apr 20 21:11:31 it can be all of it... Apr 20 21:12:03 cedric: I might give it a go on spitz which should give some clues... Apr 20 21:13:20 ok I sent u the bb file Apr 20 21:13:29 have u got pagan? Apr 20 21:14:38 I did have a long time ago. Just looking now, the disk isn't where I thought it was :-/ Apr 20 21:16:05 Does anyone succeed to download the fakeroot_1.2.13 tarball ? I know the problem was reported on the mailing list and tarball added in oesources.org, but bitbake try to download at http://www.oesources.org/source/current/ location instead of http://www.oesources.org/source/ :-/ Apr 20 21:16:37 I tried to change the CVS_TARBALL_STASH variable in local.conf, but bitbake still look into http://www.oesources.org/source/current/, any ideas ? Apr 20 21:38:01 RP: have a look u mailbox... Apr 20 21:38:05 good nite all Apr 20 21:38:16 what, did we ban usage of the letters y and o? Apr 20 21:39:17 :) Apr 20 21:46:22 later all Apr 20 21:48:11 well, changing search location in org.openembedded.oz354fam083/classes/base.bbclass did the trick. Apr 20 21:49:43 Does anyone knows if the removal of the 'current' directory is transcient ? Apr 20 21:52:04 transcient? Apr 20 21:52:38 CosmicPenguin: temporary I mean (sorry for my english) Apr 20 21:53:04 still don't understand the question Apr 20 21:53:48 CosmicPenguin: the http://www.oesources.org/source/current/ does not exist anymore. Apr 20 21:54:09 CosmicPenguin: maybe it was removed not intentionnaly ? Apr 20 21:54:39 I'm not sure Apr 20 21:54:54 but you should still be able to get the code from the original source, unless something really bad happened Apr 20 21:57:27 it works with http://www.oesources.org/source/ but not with http://www.oesources.org/source/current/ Apr 20 22:01:46 what's "it" in that context? Apr 20 22:02:59 pb_: the download of the fakeroot_1.2.13 tarball Apr 20 22:03:19 right, indeed Apr 20 22:03:22 just download it from the former url Apr 20 22:04:14 but it was added again in http://www.oesources.org/source/ (http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/current/7919.html) Apr 20 22:05:01 indeed Apr 20 22:05:07 I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. Apr 20 22:05:55 http://www.oesources.org/source/ is, seemingly, the correct directory Apr 20 22:06:31 pb_: by default, bitbake look for tarball in the http://www.oesources.org/source/current Apr 20 22:06:56 at least the org.openembedded.oz354fam083/classes/base.bbclass file is configured so Apr 20 22:09:13 I guess it shouldn't be a problem to change that. Apr 20 22:11:27 pb_: yes, I changed this base.bbclass file: s/current//, and downloading fakeroot then succeed Apr 20 22:13:51 oh does bitbake say current? Apr 20 22:15:20 the mv command trivially fixes that Apr 20 22:17:39 ggilbert: I just checkouted the .dev branch to check: both .dev and .oz354fam083 classes/base.bbclass files use 'ftp://.*/.*/ http://www.oesources.org/source/current/' and 'http://.*/.*/ http://www.oesources.org/source/current/' Apr 20 22:18:17 I'm not arguing with you. I didn't know what it said Apr 20 22:19:02 ggilbert: arrrgh, it's my bad english, I'm not arguing either Apr 20 22:24:34 ggilbert: I think thoses files need to be updated since the current/ directory does not exist, or the cureent/ directory should be created and file moved, don't you think ? Apr 20 22:25:53 If a want to build an image all over again, what do i have to do to do that? Example: I buildt an opie-image but there where some missing modules, and the kernel has been updated, how do i build a new one? Apr 20 22:29:20 The files were moved about 12 minutes ago :) Apr 20 22:30:33 ggilbert: well, ok thanks :) Apr 20 22:36:43 goxboxlive: just build opie-image Apr 20 22:42:01 JustinP: But will not bitbake use the task-boostrap that allready exist as a ipk file? Or will it build a new one? Apr 20 22:49:56 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd35a0eea... 10/packages/qte/ (12 files in 2 dirs): drop qte-4.0.0-snapshot, there is no such thing as Qt/Embedded 4.x anymore. Apr 20 22:52:21 * JustinP cheers Apr 20 22:52:28 opie-image also compiles for angstrom Apr 20 22:52:43 now to see if they actually *run*.... Apr 20 23:42:20 RP: around? Apr 20 23:43:48 RP: it's my understanding that the kernel deals with the power button (powering back on) is this right? Cause with the 2.6 kernel I've been finding my Z dead in my bag far more ofetn that I did with 2.4. Apr 20 23:44:15 RP: as if the power button turns it really easily. Of course this could also be because I'm not running ipaq-sleep or something....but I thought I'd mention it Apr 20 23:51:17 ipaq-sleep on a zaurus? Apr 21 02:43:55 emte: yeah, ipaq-sleep is used in OZ..... Apr 21 03:01:02 * JustinP reboots into the stoneage Apr 21 04:22:11 why the hell is locale-base-de-de installed? Apr 21 04:24:56 *points at the germans* Apr 21 04:28:18 koen|away: well, Opie EABI image boots fine and seems to work Apr 21 04:29:09 koen|away: gpe-image locked up boot while configuring locale-base-de-de (will try again) Apr 21 04:29:34 koen|away: e-image got into xtscal but it wouldn't respond...then e came up fine. Killed X and second X locked up the device Apr 21 04:33:08 koen|away: well, it gpe doesn't lick up, it just stops on configuring locale-base-de-de and won't let me break or login of anything Apr 21 06:17:45 hi Apr 21 06:44:13 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r3486b9cd... 10/packages/sword/sword_1.5.8.bb: sword: inherit pkgconfig so gnomesword will build Apr 21 06:44:20 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc96bc812... 10/packages/sword/gnomesword_2.1.2.bb: gnomesword: added 2.1.2 from .dev Apr 21 06:44:22 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r863f2d91... 10/packages/hostap/ (hostap-modules.inc hostap-modules_0.4.7.bb): hostap-modules 0.4.7: stage hostap_common.h header to get wpa-supplicant built with hostap support Apr 21 06:44:26 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5a03931d... 10/packages/wpa-supplicant/ (wpa-supplicant-0.4.8/defconfig wpa-supplicant_0.4.8.bb): Apr 21 06:44:26 wpa-supplicant 0.4.8: enabled hostap & hermes support Apr 21 06:44:26 - it need to DEPEND on hostap-modules (0.4.7 builds for 2.4.18 and 2.6.16) Apr 21 06:44:26 for hostap_common.h (kernel one does not work) Apr 21 06:44:34 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc103b1ee... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.1.conf: openzaurus 3.5.4.1: added preferred versions for popplet/evince Apr 21 06:55:15 damn, looks like you caught me... Apr 21 06:55:26 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * r57f221ab... 10/packages/meta/ (meta-e-x11-core.bb meta-e-x11.bb): meta-e-x11: Replace with versions from .dev, tasks are defined in task-e-x11 Apr 21 06:56:31 altboot kicks so much ass Apr 21 06:57:05 hrw|gone: gpe-image for 3.5.4.1-a3 doesn't seem to shutdown (init 6) Apr 21 07:08:28 can anyone here give me a honest opinion on rounded ide cables, proper ones with twisted pair wires, shielding etc Apr 21 07:18:32 bonjour Apr 21 07:25:35 moin Apr 21 07:25:53 morn Apr 21 07:27:31 morning Apr 21 07:28:05 JustinP: CoreDump|afk told that this is bug in 2.6.16 behaviour - remove 'dd' from script and it will work Apr 21 07:30:26 CoreDump|afk: rename 1.0.7-rc1 to 1.0.6+1.0.7-rc1 before it get used by people.. Apr 21 07:31:16 hrw|work: you mean in the gpe-dm init script? Apr 21 07:31:24 JustinP: yep Apr 21 07:31:33 ok Apr 21 07:31:36 will try it Apr 21 07:31:53 hail zecke Apr 21 07:32:30 pb_: do you know the status of hh.org SummerOfCode 2006 Apr 21 07:33:14 zecke: no, I don't. I think Erik was going to offer for hh.org to be a mentoring organisation, but I haven't heard any more than that. Apr 21 07:33:27 pb_: we are listed as one IIRC Apr 21 07:33:32 ah, very good Apr 21 07:33:38 could have been a bad dream though Apr 21 07:33:47 I know several people have volunteered to be mentors Apr 21 07:33:47 no dreaming Apr 21 07:34:02 pb_: we need some kind of 'Hey dudes, you are welcome' Apr 21 07:34:20 pb_: 'Important for us is..., maybe one of these topics suit your desire' - site Apr 21 07:34:28 yeah, indeed. we had one of those last year. Apr 21 07:34:46 let me try to find it Apr 21 07:35:03 * zecke tries another approach Apr 21 07:35:28 * zecke considers playing with dogtail, xvfb, OE and qemu and considers applying for SoC ;) Apr 21 07:35:34 *destroy GPE from the inside* ;) Apr 21 07:35:43 http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode Apr 21 07:35:56 of course, that page now reflects the end of the SoC rather than the beginning, but still Apr 21 07:36:24 pb_: are you familiar with the 'main site' of hh.org? Apr 21 07:36:38 not really. why do you ask? Apr 21 07:37:06 pb_: it is awesome to have this wiki site Apr 21 07:37:12 pb_: we need to link to it though ;) Apr 21 07:37:38 yeah Apr 21 07:37:53 last year I think it was linked from the handhelds.org front page and from the code.google.com site Apr 21 07:38:15 (Ideas) yes, we don't have that ;) Apr 21 07:40:31 * zecke plans to write Erik Apr 21 07:43:23 I just did all the SoC forms and stuff, if people are curious how they work :-) Apr 21 07:44:36 njs: I 'delegated' to the summer-administration mailing list first Apr 21 07:44:57 njs: if Erik or France say they are overloaded, I might help and come back to you Apr 21 07:45:27 njs: Do you think a students knows what monotone is about? Apr 21 07:46:15 zecke: not sure what you mean? Apr 21 07:46:33 zecke: obviously handhelds.org would be delighted to sponsor your efforts to destroy GPE. Apr 21 07:46:45 that sounds like an excellent project Apr 21 07:47:03 hah Apr 21 07:47:41 njs: for hh.org I fear we won't get any students ;) Apr 21 07:48:10 last year monotone got the fewest apps of any SoC sponsor :-) Apr 21 07:48:12 njs: they navigate to code.google.com... find hh.org, maybe click on the link to hh.org and wonder what it is all about Apr 21 07:48:58 njs: and close the window. I wonder how one can transport the message "hh.org is right for you, it is fun staying here" Apr 21 07:49:15 if you figure it out, let me know ;-) Apr 21 07:49:38 (this time there's a little project blurb you can fill out in the project admin screen, that shows up on the google site) Apr 21 07:50:01 zecke: last year we had somewhere between 50 and 100 applications, from what I remember Apr 21 07:50:04 e.g., http://code.google.com/soc/monotone/about.html Apr 21 07:50:18 pb_: oh, good :) Apr 21 07:50:41 we certainly ended up with a shortlist of about 20 from which we needed to select five. Apr 21 07:50:50 pb_: I'm consider applying at NetBSD (QtopiaCore port), or hh.org (Show how crappy GPE is - dogtail testing) Apr 21 07:51:15 very good Apr 21 07:51:30 I'd certainly encourage you to apply for the hh.org project. Apr 21 07:56:59 morning Apr 21 07:58:32 hi, is gcj compiled by default with gcc? Apr 21 07:59:56 depends on your architecture Apr 21 07:59:59 I think it is on i386 Apr 21 08:00:54 JustinP, hrw: I have a fix for the dd issue Apr 21 08:01:25 RP: cool ^_^ Apr 21 08:01:35 * JustinP is going to bed, then on vacation for the weekend Apr 21 08:02:07 zecke: bitbake 1.4.0 is fscking awesome! Apr 21 08:02:27 1m52s for 1st go, 2s for cached.... jeez.. Apr 21 08:02:52 * njs is getting the feeling he should hire zecke to optimize monotone Apr 21 08:02:53 ;-) Apr 21 08:05:14 hrw|work: The cache changes on top of zecke's COW work make it fly :) Apr 21 08:05:43 zecke: have you tried gcj only with 4.01 or with 4.1 as well? Apr 21 08:05:47 http://www.pcsystemsdirect.com/topdeal.htm - dell discounts for desktop/notebooks Apr 21 08:10:00 hrw|work: only for USA shop, is isn't it? Apr 21 08:10:09 What about bitbake 1.5.0 is it stable and fast? I am using 1.3.9 at the moment, should i upgrade? Apr 21 08:11:39 katossi_: I suspect it Apr 21 08:18:33 do13: ping? Apr 21 08:19:08 RP: I got hostap-ids patch from maintainer Apr 21 08:20:18 4.0.x only Apr 21 08:20:31 goxboxlive: do you want something stable or not stable? Apr 21 08:20:41 goxboxlive: we have a 1.4 stable branch (not the fastest and latest) Apr 21 08:20:47 goxboxlive: but stable and fast enough Apr 21 08:20:58 hrw|work: ah good. I never got a response from the hostap people about mickeyl's oops :-( Apr 21 08:22:33 http://survey.openembedded.org/index.php?sid=2&newtest=Y what do you think? Apr 21 08:23:41 Entrepreneur? Apr 21 08:23:53 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r5a91a3e0... 10/packages/linux/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 21 08:23:53 linux-oz-2.6: 2.6.16 updates Apr 21 08:23:53 * Fix swapped Calander/Address keys on spitz Apr 21 08:23:53 * Add fix to try and support large MMC cards (> 2GB) Apr 21 08:23:53 * Fix return codes of fb_write (fixes dd problem with /dev/fb0) Apr 21 08:23:54 * Fix Scoop to PCMCIA linkage compile issue with modular PCMCIA Apr 21 08:23:57 * Fix potential race in SSP code Apr 21 08:24:00 had to look into dict.. Apr 21 08:24:37 RP: can you push this into .oz354x? so I will add my changes into this then Apr 21 08:24:44 hrw|work: I had to look into the dict to get the right spelling Apr 21 08:24:58 zecke: Ok, i c. I just downloaded it using SVN. Jave to look for the 1.4 version then. :-) . BTW, i have builded and builded, all works great now. Actually, i am affraid to do a monotone update because maybe all might break again. Do u think it's safe to update the branch? Apr 21 08:25:00 hrw|work: I have ~10 more questions, and then we should consider starting the survey :} Apr 21 08:25:10 zecke: add X86 to platform list Apr 21 08:25:15 hrw|work: ok Apr 21 08:25:20 hrw|work: X86 is crap ;) Apr 21 08:25:43 zecke: is but people are using for this Apr 21 08:26:08 zecke: I use OE for professional and private purposes :) Apr 21 08:27:52 fsck... forgot usbnet cable... Apr 21 08:33:30 hrw|work: That changelog was truncated above - what was also in there was fixing reboot and halt handling Apr 21 08:34:20 great Apr 21 08:34:29 RP: so 'reboot' reboots now? Apr 21 08:39:12 re Apr 21 08:39:20 ~lart nameservers Apr 21 08:39:21 * ibot whacks nameservers upside the head Apr 21 08:39:44 hrw|work: correct. In theory - The devices are all different so lets hope I got it right Apr 21 08:40:24 ok Apr 21 09:01:06 does kdrive support multihead ? Apr 21 09:02:11 Genesis: iirc it does, but I;'m not sure Apr 21 09:06:51 XorA: "I havn't had much experience with the plugins; probably best if you file Apr 21 09:06:51 bugs against the individual plugins into the our bugzilla and attach the Apr 21 09:06:51 relevant voodoo, and any observations you might have made. Apr 21 09:06:54 " Apr 21 09:06:54 goxboxlive: well, you can create a branch (locally) Apr 21 09:07:14 XorA: that was tf's answer about the plugin problems Apr 21 09:12:23 koen|work: crap, Im kind of against filing a general bug against the whole of abiword-plugins when the problem is almost certainly how we build it Apr 21 09:13:11 XorA: that was my thought as well, but I can see that documenting it in their bugtracker would have some value as well Apr 21 09:15:07 zecke_: question about RAM in host machine.. make it <256M, 256M, 512M, 1G, >1G maybe? Apr 21 09:15:09 koen|work: well if we file it, maybe we persuade one of them of the goodness of OE :-) Apr 21 09:15:29 :) Apr 21 09:16:30 koen|work: If there are some none invasive changes that could be made to abiword to work better with OE, its probably worth suggesting them Apr 21 09:17:02 RP: we suspect abi-plugins is having problems with being crosscompiled Apr 21 09:17:36 I asked tf if he knew any usual suspects Apr 21 09:18:04 koen|work: I thought it might have been tf you asked :) Apr 21 09:18:19 RP: its one of these annoying cases where the building is easy, but the result doesnt work Apr 21 09:18:29 having o-hand minions to abuse is quite nice ;) Apr 21 09:18:32 http://survey.openembedded.org/index.php?sid=2&newtest=Y Apr 21 09:18:39 first round of questions Apr 21 09:18:39 * koen|work hides Apr 21 09:18:50 XorA: The build logs don't show anything useful? Apr 21 09:19:02 koen|work: ;-) Apr 21 09:19:05 koen|work: You have a c700? Apr 21 09:19:11 zecke_: what are you using for that? Apr 21 09:19:13 RP: I have Apr 21 09:19:18 (199.3 km away atm) Apr 21 09:19:20 RP: no, all its doing is making some .so files as plugins, but they wont actually load into abiword Apr 21 09:19:33 koen|work: How does reboot and halt behave on it? Apr 21 09:19:57 XorA: It uses the right compiler/linker? Apr 21 09:20:18 RP: yes they are valid ARM shared libs Apr 21 09:20:20 njs: Too many reasons (which is bad - I know) Apr 21 09:20:26 RP: no idea, I never reboot :) Apr 21 09:20:35 zecke_: hrm? Apr 21 09:20:48 zecke_: I actually meant, what software are you using to run it? :-) Apr 21 09:20:49 njs: I want to identify the 'really' primary use case, I want to get an idea how many people are actually using OE (amount) Apr 21 09:21:03 njs: that is phpsurveyor Apr 21 09:21:07 koen|work: ok, next time you have it handy, I'd be interested to know what they do and whether the kernel changes I just made make things better/worse/indifferent Apr 21 09:21:09 zecke_: 'Which tools do you use to communicate with the OpenEmbedded developers?' Apr 21 09:21:17 zecke_: that implies multiple answer Apr 21 09:21:21 answers* Apr 21 09:21:34 RP: I'll test it after the weekend Apr 21 09:21:47 koen|work: thanks Apr 21 09:21:49 koen|work: right, wait a second Apr 21 09:22:06 zecke_: though I know what you mean! we have a huge list of things we're curious about (http://venge.net/monotone/wiki/SurveyQuestions), and I am not sure how to make them into a reasonable survey :-) Apr 21 09:22:26 koen|work: c700 is different to the c7[56]0 in that respect. I'm not sure it can halt Apr 21 09:22:36 RP: I see Apr 21 09:22:41 anyway, lunch time Apr 21 09:22:53 njs: yeah, creating the questions is one thing, getting answers another Apr 21 09:23:01 njs: but finding the results... :} Apr 21 09:23:23 njs: e.g. we suspect many people are using OE, I only know about ~20 though ;) Apr 21 09:23:45 njs: We know our documentation sucks, but is that really a problem :} Apr 21 09:37:50 RP: what is SSP? Apr 21 09:38:07 XorA: A serial communications bus Apr 21 09:38:23 XorA: The race was theoretical Apr 21 09:38:35 RP: anything to do with SD cards? Apr 21 09:38:52 XorA: nothing at all Apr 21 09:39:47 RP: ok, I just ask as I see a problem when I ipkg install something as large as gimp or firefox, 75% of the time ipkg will end up in d state and I need to sysreq reboot to get SD working again Apr 21 09:40:01 RP: no messages in dmesg to help :-( Apr 21 09:40:50 XorA: You're installing from which media onto which other media? Apr 21 09:41:08 RP: network to SD Apr 21 09:41:24 RP: but also happens CF to SD as well Apr 21 09:41:48 So it looks like an SD bug. I've not seen that one... Apr 21 09:42:17 did anyone try to parse binary files with flex yet? Apr 21 09:42:24 RP: yeah, I think its card dependant Apr 21 09:42:58 XorA: Card dependant means we're unlikely to find a fix :-( Apr 21 09:43:21 RP: well at least hrw|work says he doesnt see it, I do on both the card I use Apr 21 09:43:44 zecke_: I'll have a look survey later btw Apr 21 09:44:01 XorA: I don't use SD much - the MD spoils me... Apr 21 09:44:07 RP: which survey - a ka reduce bias Apr 21 09:44:20 RP: if I could afford Id upgrade to a MD machine and just forget SD exists Apr 21 09:45:16 XorA: I just wish I could actually use my device for fun stuff :) Apr 21 09:45:28 mithro: hey, how far is your dict? Apr 21 09:45:55 zecke_: add body {color:black} into CSS of survey Apr 21 09:46:27 RP: :-( Apr 21 09:46:53 hrw|work: you clearly overestimate my skills Apr 21 09:47:40 I assume I can use ipkg with offline root to install an ipk on build machine, then put SD card in Z and do ipkg configure? Apr 21 09:51:04 zecke_: w8 Apr 21 09:51:20 hrw|work: let us get the questions sorted out Apr 21 09:51:27 hrw|work: we can play with the templates then (look) Apr 21 09:52:08 zecke_: ok - its in templates/default/startpage.pstpl Apr 21 09:54:03 hehe Apr 21 09:54:28 hrw|work: I'm currently looking on how to make token less surveys Apr 21 09:55:04 ok Apr 21 09:55:58 XorA: yes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 21 09:59:57 2006