**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 26 09:59:56 2006 Apr 26 10:00:38 hrw|work: I'm still undecided about that option... Apr 26 10:01:05 ok Apr 26 10:01:45 RP: cpufreq: powersave/ondemand/userspace -> modules = ~2K Apr 26 10:06:39 do13, RP: NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r11: task do_compile: failed Apr 26 10:07:20 | include/asm/arch/tosa.h:190: error: previous declaration of 'tosabl_device' was here Apr 26 10:07:23 | make[1]: *** [arch/arm/mach-pxa/tosa_lcd.o] Error 1 Apr 26 10:07:35 koen: It built fine last night? :-/ Apr 26 10:07:45 koen: Which machine - tosa? Apr 26 10:07:49 yes Apr 26 10:08:20 RP: what for we have videodev enabled? Apr 26 10:08:20 zecke: depends Apr 26 10:08:38 koen: I have newer patches in my tree, but another problem :-/ Apr 26 10:09:19 RP: On tosa I compiled FAT and VFAT as modules to save spave Apr 26 10:09:53 * hrw|work wish sash more luck with u-boot work Apr 26 10:10:00 * luke-jr_ wasn't aware there was two seperate FAT fs Apr 26 10:10:14 luke-jr_: on what? Apr 26 10:10:21 luke-jr_: e.g. I could check the toplevel CVS/Root file Apr 26 10:10:31 luke-jr_: and then decide against doing a update, remove the tree Apr 26 10:10:33 luke-jr_: and do a co Apr 26 10:10:56 zecke: shrug, I'm surprised cvs -d doesn't override CVS/Root Apr 26 10:11:08 RP: ok. I see now.. Apr 26 10:11:18 luke-jr_: do we issue -d on updates? Apr 26 10:11:32 luke-jr_: please file a bitbake bug report Apr 26 10:11:39 1171848 zImage now... Apr 26 10:18:52 RP: 1169224 zImage Apr 26 10:19:21 ~180K smaller Apr 26 10:28:48 koen, How are you getting the revs into trac? Apr 26 10:35:28 Crofton: monotone plugin ;) Apr 26 10:37:37 Crofton: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version%2dcontrol.monotone.devel Apr 26 10:37:45 ehm Apr 26 10:37:48 Crofton: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.monotone.devel/6634 Apr 26 10:43:41 cool Apr 26 10:44:40 another plus for monotone Apr 26 10:44:57 I've lost all the history from earlier and I know I was asked something but can't remember what :-/ Apr 26 10:46:01 does GCC 4 work for building a Zaurus Cxx0 system? Apr 26 10:46:48 gcc 4.1/glibc 2.4 works on my c7x0 Apr 26 10:47:27 asking because my bitbake is upgrading me to GCC 4.0.2-r1 Apr 26 10:50:02 RP: 1 169 224 contra 1 249 568 booting Apr 26 10:53:32 hrw|work: ? Apr 26 10:53:39 eww @ trac Apr 26 10:54:29 RP: I enabled 'optimize for size', removed: msdos, font8x8, IP_DIAG, few cpufreq governors Apr 26 10:54:47 RP: kernel booted Apr 26 10:57:52 hrw|work: ah, they'e sizes, right :) Apr 26 10:58:27 we don't need msdos for vfat? Apr 26 10:58:48 they changed that a while back iirc Apr 26 10:58:53 RP: vfat and msdos are separate Apr 26 10:58:54 vfat and msdos are now seperate Apr 26 10:59:09 msdos is 8.3, vfat is longname Apr 26 11:00:45 koen: can you 'fix' gtk RRECOMMENDS for those gdk-pixbuf-loader stuff? Apr 26 11:01:24 hrw|work: the last time I asked I was told that 'there were good reason to not RRECOMMEND them' Apr 26 11:01:37 reasons* Apr 26 11:01:53 hrw|work: Feel free to update the defconfigs with those changes then. Apr 26 11:02:16 koen: interesting... 'making stuff not working is good' Apr 26 11:02:37 hrw|work: it works fine without the pixbug loaders Apr 26 11:02:46 as long as you don't use images Apr 26 11:02:47 koen: ah. ok then Apr 26 11:02:51 ;) Apr 26 11:03:07 so first or second gtk app will fail Apr 26 11:03:29 personally I'd like to RRECOMMEND -png and -jpg Apr 26 11:03:49 I am having a really stupid problem I can't figure out Apr 26 11:03:50 http://pastebin.ca/51461 Apr 26 11:03:51 but I think 'some people' will revert the cset Apr 26 11:03:55 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/defconfig.diff Apr 26 11:04:33 Crofton: remove DL_DIR/cvs/ Apr 26 11:06:25 same thing Apr 26 11:07:27 bother, I need to look at this when I have more time Apr 26 11:07:32 thanks katossi Apr 26 11:07:36 er koen Apr 26 11:07:54 hehe you're welcome Apr 26 11:09:01 hrw|work: Looks good to me Apr 26 11:09:58 hrw|work: I guess you should feel free to make gtk+ recommend those packages in your favourite DISTRO. I'm kind of ambivalent about doing it globally. Apr 26 11:10:20 grrr Apr 26 11:10:28 $180 a night for a hotel Apr 26 11:10:33 without HOT WATER Apr 26 11:11:59 ! Apr 26 11:13:25 pb__: ok Apr 26 11:13:35 hrw|work: http://oe.pastebin.com/682738 ? Apr 26 11:14:50 err Apr 26 11:15:08 hrw|work: http://oe.pastebin.com/682740 Apr 26 11:15:27 koen: ok for me Apr 26 11:18:51 how can find out the default sdl library used for crosscompiling, I need to copy sdl.m4 to an upacked folder, so can do the copy in the bb file before the configure... currently mine is under the work folder but is there a better solution instead of referencing an hardcode path Apr 26 11:26:23 03florian 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r4462a421... 10/packages/meta/gpe-image.bb: gpe-image.bb: Remove vlc, Simpad images want to have more free space. Apr 26 11:26:27 03koen 07org.oe.oz354x * r32648f56... 10/packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.6.10.bb: gtk+ 2.6.9: rrecommend some gdk pixbufloaders Apr 26 11:26:31 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r44b28997... 10/packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.8.9.bb: gtk+ 2.8.9: rrecommend some pixbug loaders for OZ and angstrom Apr 26 11:27:06 rwhitby: I reflashed it (I think) but ssh doesn't appear to be running which presents a minor problem :) Apr 26 11:28:41 did I just post a msg about sdl? I'm using BitchX so I don't know if I'v submited to the correct channel... Apr 26 11:29:18 cedric_: it didn't appear in here... Apr 26 11:29:28 how can find out the default sdl library used for crosscompiling, I need to copy sdl.m4 to an upacked folder, so can do the copy in the bb file before the configure... currently mine is under the work folder but is there a better solution instead of referencing an hardcode path Apr 26 11:32:58 cedric_: Is sdl.m4 in staging somwehere? Apr 26 11:35:12 RP: nope, I've done a find and nothing... Apr 26 11:37:25 cedric_: My best guess is that it should be staged and then it might get automatically found or if not, you can copy it from staging Apr 26 11:37:37 but I'm no expert on that area of things Apr 26 11:37:44 640x185 is not too big for kernel logo? Apr 26 11:38:07 hrw|work: On the VGA devices, probably not Apr 26 11:39:28 so I will prepare biggest OZ patch soon Apr 26 11:39:57 ~hail kexec Apr 26 11:39:58 * ibot bows down to kexec and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Apr 26 11:40:15 RP: check your dhcp server for the IP address Apr 26 11:41:15 RP: it also takes some time to generate keys after the first flash Apr 26 11:42:22 OE tmp dir is 10 GB O.O Apr 26 11:42:38 RP: the thing is the sdl application that I'm building doesn't have an acinclude.m4 therefore I've copied the sdl.m4 (from the work folder) to it, therefore I'm looking for solution so it can be added to OE... Apr 26 11:43:58 rwhitby: I'm fairly sure I have the right IP address for it but I just see connection refused from the ssh attempts Apr 26 11:44:39 RP: want me to send you a known good image? Apr 26 11:45:21 it's a bit hard to debug unqualified builds without serial :-) Apr 26 11:46:22 rwhitby: I guess I should try a known good image :) - should I use one of the openslug beta ones or do you have something else I should use? Apr 26 11:46:41 I'll also have a look for that serial lead I might be able to convert... Apr 26 11:46:51 RP: I can send you current HEAD debianslug, after I just flash it here to confirm that build. Apr 26 11:47:19 rwhitby: ok, thanks. Its probably the safest thing to start with :) Apr 26 11:53:16 RP: give me 15 minutes and I'll give you a URL. Apr 26 12:00:30 ~lart uni Apr 26 12:00:30 * ibot plops uni into a giant vat of herring Apr 26 12:00:39 rwhitby: I've also just confirmed the Nokia serial lead I have doesn't have level conversion in it Apr 26 12:04:16 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/logo.jpg - a bit blurry but show new logo on Zaurus - opinions? Apr 26 12:05:47 hrw|work: cute Apr 26 12:07:02 RP: that image boots and ssh connects. I cheated a little bit, cause I had previously turnup preserved that slug, so it would have got my network settings from the sysconf partition. Apr 26 12:07:39 (the most common cause of newly built images with no network is the ixp modules not being synchronised with the kernel version) Apr 26 12:07:47 hrw|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/black.png :) Apr 26 12:08:08 koen: yes the same Apr 26 12:09:16 koen: logo patch is 1.1M (15K packed) Apr 26 12:09:52 wasn't there an svg as well? Apr 26 12:10:06 you could drop that in gpe-bootsplash/files/openzaurus/ Apr 26 12:10:13 * koen looks at CoreDump|afk Apr 26 12:11:24 koen: I have svg too Apr 26 12:12:04 food time Apr 26 12:13:49 njs: did you consider using precompiled headers for monotone? Apr 26 13:37:32 koen: http://tirania.org/blog/pic.php?name=Screenshot-MonoCalendar.png&size=large&caption=Windows.Forms-based%20MonoCalendar. Apr 26 13:37:45 kidding? :} Apr 26 14:14:35 heh Apr 26 14:16:19 someone here use linux/x86 and nvidia card? Apr 26 14:16:39 hrw|work: me Apr 26 14:17:07 hrw|work: yes Apr 26 14:17:44 nvidia X driver conlict with nvidiafb - which fb you are using? Apr 26 14:18:26 no fb here.. Apr 26 14:18:27 hrw|work: I always use plain vga Apr 26 14:18:34 hrw|work: VESA works as well Apr 26 14:19:06 ok. will try vesa-tng then Apr 26 14:19:07 I'm using vesa-tng (from the gentoo kernel patch) Apr 26 14:19:40 I never spend enough time in console to make fb worth while Apr 26 14:19:55 I only have fb for the bootsplash screen :) Apr 26 14:23:00 quilt is nice to manage kernel patching Apr 26 14:24:04 * koen looks at njs for quilt/shelf in monotone Apr 26 14:24:17 hrw|work: s/nice/essential/ Apr 26 14:24:39 CosmicPenguin: my desktop usually does not have many patches applied Apr 26 14:25:16 CosmicPenguin: 2.6.13-rc-rc-rc-rc -> 2.6.14 -> 2.6.15 -> 2.6.15-rc-rc -> 2.6.16-ck1 -> vesa-tng Apr 26 14:25:36 as long as I use linus versions they apply without problems Apr 26 14:26:48 but OZ kernels without quilt... no way Apr 26 14:28:13 That would be scary :) Apr 26 14:30:15 koen: did you add binutils 2.16? Apr 26 14:30:20 koen: why don't we use 2.16.1? Apr 26 14:31:08 zecke: I suspect 2.16.1 either didn't build or wasn't available Apr 26 14:33:41 hasn't an arm change anyway (according to changelog) Apr 26 14:34:15 gas has one Apr 26 14:34:23 njs: http://oe.pastebin.com/683049 <- fun Apr 26 14:34:27 I am thinking about updating the 2.16.9x snapshot Apr 26 14:34:44 zecke: feel free to abuse the 0.26 server on ewi Apr 26 14:35:04 koen: well, I want one on OSX as well ;) Apr 26 14:35:16 koen: that is either --enable-pch or the gcc upgrade Apr 26 14:35:40 zecke: http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/mtn-0.26-osx-univ.bz2 Apr 26 14:35:53 koen: universal suck ;) Apr 26 14:36:00 pch? Apr 26 14:36:07 precompiled headers Apr 26 14:36:17 together with -0s and it is the fastest gcc I have ever seen Apr 26 14:36:35 gcc 4.1.x is pretty neat Apr 26 14:52:54 hrw|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/add-new-splash.diff Apr 26 14:53:55 oops Apr 26 14:54:00 worth adding will be Apr 26 14:54:10 should I commit it? Apr 26 14:55:14 anyone know which package in the Xorg 7.0 world owns bdftopdf? Apr 26 14:55:36 one of the font ones? Apr 26 14:55:39 17:05 hrw@work:~$ dpkg -S `which bdftopcf ` Apr 26 14:55:39 xfonts-utils: /usr/bin/bdftopcf Apr 26 14:55:49 thanks Apr 26 14:56:10 koen: I want to check it on device first Apr 26 14:56:44 hrw|work: ok Apr 26 14:56:50 it looked quite nice on my c700 :) Apr 26 14:57:12 koen: can you install vim7 on ewi? its in experimental Apr 26 14:57:26 vim-perl to be exact Apr 26 15:06:30 hrw|work: version 7.0d03 BETA Apr 26 15:09:18 koen: hmm.. one day I have to look what is fscked with vim on ewi Apr 26 15:13:45 koen: syntax does not work at all Apr 26 15:15:08 hrw|work: do you have a download counter for rc1? Apr 26 15:15:15 no Apr 26 15:15:41 koen: apt-get install elinks? Apr 26 15:16:01 it would be interesting to have some statistic Apr 26 15:16:02 Unpacking elinks (from .../elinks_0.10.6-1_i386.deb) ... Apr 26 15:20:59 uf.. with vim-runtime unpacked to ~/.vim vim is now usable more on ewi;) Apr 26 15:23:38 aha Apr 26 15:23:49 * koen found the problem with gaim and sf.net cvs Apr 26 15:24:05 "The Gaim source is kept in a Subversion repository." Apr 26 15:24:19 * XorA chuckles Apr 26 15:24:35 koen: they changed it, nice Apr 26 15:24:53 btw: use qpe-gaim anyway, so much nicer gui for PDAs ;) Apr 26 15:24:54 * koen waits for the fetch to finish Apr 26 15:25:13 zecke: use gaim-2.0.0-mco, much nicer gui for PDAs ;) Apr 26 15:25:17 * raduga needs help with zaurus propaganda Apr 26 15:25:30 koen: vorpaware, gaim 2.0.0 is not released yet Apr 26 15:25:40 anyone know of any sites with GOOD pictures of Zaurii? for convincing people to buy them? Apr 26 15:25:47 koen: mumba ummba 10.4.3 is better as well, suffers the same issue though Apr 26 15:25:55 if it also has bad pictures of Nokia 770, that would be even better :) Apr 26 15:26:00 koen: vanille.de is away, mickeyl as well, dfg is down? Apr 26 15:26:10 ah here it is Apr 26 15:26:11 hmm Apr 26 15:26:16 zecke: heh, gaim-2.0.0-mco is in OE :) Apr 26 15:27:28 koen: but gaim2.0.0 is not released Apr 26 15:27:33 koen: so something is wrong ;) Apr 26 15:27:36 :) Apr 26 15:28:03 i plan to ditch gaim and switch to tapioca or telepathy Apr 26 15:28:40 * zecke watches the CELF talk about embootchart Apr 26 15:28:47 zecke: I can reach vanulle from here Apr 26 15:28:49 I like motorola, they use C++ ;) Apr 26 15:28:55 koen: it just worked :} Apr 26 15:28:58 embootchart? Apr 26 15:28:59 but mickeyl is away Apr 26 15:29:03 sounds cool Apr 26 15:29:19 I tried to add bootchart to OE, but was scared away by the work involved Apr 26 15:29:42 koen: I haded GNU process accounting stuff Apr 26 15:29:46 koen: stopped there then Apr 26 15:31:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9bebf05d... 10/packages/gaim/ (gaim_cvs.bb gaim_svn.bb): gaim: gaim switch from svn to cvs, updating recipe to match Apr 26 15:31:55 hmm Apr 26 15:31:57 hehe Apr 26 15:31:59 my grammar sucks Apr 26 15:32:25 * zecke places bets that this cset will be disapproved Apr 26 15:32:44 oh dear Apr 26 15:32:51 is gaim part of familiar? Apr 26 15:33:04 shuts his mouth Apr 26 15:33:06 *sorry* Apr 26 15:33:21 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r6340b7b2... 10/packages/libsdl/libsdl-qpe_1.2.7.bb: Apr 26 15:33:21 packages/libsdl/libsdl-qpe: Apr 26 15:33:21 -Change the dependency of libqpe to be buildable Apr 26 15:33:21 again. Apr 26 15:33:23 argh Apr 26 15:33:29 koen: I'm doing the merge now Apr 26 15:33:35 zecke: ok Apr 26 15:36:55 done Apr 26 15:39:36 koen: add embootchart, it sounds easy Apr 26 15:43:37 cya Apr 26 15:46:45 zecke: can't find a tarball for embootchart Apr 26 15:51:51 actually Apr 26 15:52:06 bootchart 0.9 seems to be relatively easy to install Apr 26 15:52:42 you only need to to init=/bin/bootchartd in the kernel CMDLINE Apr 26 15:54:54 zecke: with altboot it would be even easier Apr 26 16:04:51 cu Apr 26 16:11:39 hi Apr 26 16:12:16 hey mickeyl Apr 26 16:13:54 hi mickeyl Apr 26 16:15:46 RP: ? Serving a php script? Apr 26 16:15:47 sorry 'bout anthy-native... adding it as we speak Apr 26 16:16:21 treke|home: Try browsing to htt Apr 26 16:16:30 seems to be working here Apr 26 16:17:16 treke|home: Did something change in http://www.treke.net/oe/sources ? Apr 26 16:17:33 * RP suspects his local.conf file is extremely old looking at that url... Apr 26 16:17:57 yeah :p Apr 26 16:18:49 I'm surprised that didnt break a year ago Apr 26 16:19:08 It broke last night in the middle of a build ;-) Apr 26 16:19:20 funky Apr 26 16:19:36 see, if it broke yesterday morning, I could understand it Apr 26 16:19:46 though I guess my morning is your night Apr 26 16:20:07 I'll set that alias back up anyways. Shouldnt interfere with anything Apr 26 16:20:18 treke|home: That would tie in with the timezones Apr 26 16:20:34 but the "official" path is now http://www.oesources.org/source/current/ Apr 26 16:20:53 I moved it specifically so that things like this wouldnt happen :po Apr 26 16:21:05 treke|home: Its not an issue and I'll update. I just hadn't realised I was using an old url. Those old urls were serving a few bytes of php which looked odd... Apr 26 16:21:23 yeah. Apparantly the treke.net vhost is borked Apr 26 16:21:33 and since I never actually use that, I didnt notice :p Apr 26 16:22:00 treke|home: Right. Rather than redirect, I'd make it 404 and force people to update Apr 26 16:22:42 Looks like it is now Apr 26 16:22:58 Returning a few bytes of php makes bitbake think it got the file and has causes head scratching :) Apr 26 16:23:01 php is fuxnored, so the 404 isn't actually being generated Apr 26 16:23:08 but it's trying :p Apr 26 16:23:15 heh :) Apr 26 16:24:34 ~lart error: foo static declaration follows non-static one Apr 26 16:24:34 * ibot send killer squirrels to attack error: foo static declaration follows non-static one Apr 26 16:30:18 Hi! Any kernel building experts around? Apr 26 16:30:36 'bitbake virtual/kernel' Apr 26 16:30:41 How do You get the kernel out of the tree automatically? Apr 26 16:31:26 any idea whether gcc -U foo has precedence over #define foo in a .c ? Apr 26 16:31:57 I mean if I have set the option ALLOW_EMPTY_kernel to exclude it from root filesystem. Apr 26 16:32:20 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9a562dfd... 10/packages/anthy/anthy-native_6801.bb: add anthy-native 6801 Apr 26 16:32:22 the kernel .bb files then just copy the resulting zimage Apr 26 16:32:24 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r85b50b96... 10/packages/python/ (python-gmpy_1.0.bb python-gmpy_1.0.1.bb): python-gmpy: upgrade to 1.0.1, compiles with gcc 4 now Apr 26 16:32:25 read one Apr 26 16:32:41 mickeyl: I'd suspect not Apr 26 16:32:45 I have, however is the kernel version stored in some variable? Apr 26 16:32:58 when I need it later for image build Apr 26 16:33:10 isn't it always called zImage ß Apr 26 16:33:10 ? Apr 26 16:33:12 (or so) Apr 26 16:33:34 Yeah, but I need to know from which "arch" directory to get it from :P Apr 26 16:33:41 hmm Apr 26 16:33:45 probably ${ARCH} Apr 26 16:33:52 have a look at the kernel.bbclass Apr 26 16:34:33 I will, thanx. Apr 26 16:35:08 BTW I have created a small shell script to generate .bb files for all existing tarballs in this new modular XORG7. Apr 26 16:35:42 Do You think it's a right way to go or should I try to create a .bbclass that will create a number of packages instead? Apr 26 16:36:11 The external generator script seems a bit more appropriate for me though, this way You can compile only the parts You really need. Apr 26 16:36:14 i think a bbclass would be cool for maintenance Apr 26 16:36:20 ya Apr 26 16:37:32 anttix: have a look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=870 Apr 26 16:37:36 Is there a way to write .bb or .bbclass files in such a manner that I can for instance do bitbake xf86-video-ati and then it will only compile this package? Apr 26 16:38:06 evening Apr 26 16:38:09 not that way. we may rather use it like MODULES = "foo bar etc" in a .bb file and then have the bbclass iterate over all mods Apr 26 16:38:12 anttix: sure - thats what we do Apr 26 16:38:12 yo REdOG Apr 26 16:38:14 yo reenoo Apr 26 16:38:32 hi reenoo Apr 26 16:38:58 moin mickeyl Apr 26 16:39:00 hey RP Apr 26 16:39:11 CosmicPenguin: heh Apr 26 16:39:23 CosmicPenguin: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=870 : * add bdftopcf Apr 26 16:39:40 mickeyl: I don't get it. Anything exists in the tree that does that? Apr 26 16:39:59 anttix: Are you trying to build an external kernel module? Apr 26 16:40:04 no. that's what I think what would be nice to have Apr 26 16:40:43 module.bbclass does something similar but with kernel modules Apr 26 16:40:52 it packages everything unconditionally though Apr 26 16:41:29 yes it does Apr 26 16:41:51 RP: No, I have a small shell script that automatically generates .bb files for modular Xorg tree. Apr 26 16:42:18 RP: I try to find ways to get rid of the generation part so that bitbake can do something like that automatically Apr 26 16:44:01 ok, mickeyl so You propose I define a variable like XORG_DRIVER_MODULES="video-ati video-nsc video-whatever" and then do bitbake xorg-drivers and it then builds only those I need and leaves others alone? Apr 26 16:44:21 Hmm, Ok, but what about libs? Apr 26 16:44:22 anttix: bitbake's way of viewing it would probably be to build everything by default and to allow the set of modules built to be restricted by some variable LIMIT_XORG_MODULES = "x y z" Apr 26 16:44:36 anttix: We're thinking the same thing :) Apr 26 16:44:52 treke|home: you updated bugzilla! Apr 26 16:45:04 It might work for drivers. Apr 26 16:45:17 But what about libs and apps? Apr 26 16:45:19 treke|home: I was wondering where all the neat little improvement came from Apr 26 16:46:09 RP: Can You take a look at this script? https://svn.smartlink.ee/svn/OpenEmbedded/thinstation/packages/xorg/generator/ Apr 26 16:46:47 The set of files in there are templates, the main script downloads xorg package lists, parses them and generates a .bb file for each Apr 26 16:46:50 anttix: apps are probably a common .inc file and indivdual .bb files for each app that include that .inc Apr 26 16:47:23 anttix: That hostname doesn't resolve Apr 26 16:47:53 WTF? Try mail.smartlink.ee instead then. Apr 26 16:48:03 www.smartlink works Apr 26 16:48:25 I probably need to convert code logic in .tpl files to .inc files. Apr 26 16:48:49 anttix: could you crossreference your .bbs with the ones present in OE and the ones in http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=870 ? Apr 26 16:50:31 koen: Yeah. I had upgraded mysql and found out that the version we were using wasn't compatible :p Apr 26 16:50:42 So you get new bugzilla toys Apr 26 16:50:51 anttix: That would be a good first step - more inkeeping with the way bitbake works Apr 26 16:51:22 anttix: By the looks of it, each package could nearly become a list of includes :) Apr 26 16:51:32 koen: I used prebreakage xlibs packages as a reference when building the generator and it's config file Apr 26 16:52:09 Yes, it probably will. And package specific quirks can also be included only version specific ones will remain in .bb files. Apr 26 16:53:14 What I need to know is if it's any use for me to continue this maintainer-tool-bunch-of-xorg-bb-files-generator-script work Apr 26 16:53:33 I mean is it useful for the community and current xorg package maintainers? Apr 26 16:54:22 koen: doh - wish I had seen that earlier - we ended up redoing most of that Apr 26 16:55:00 CosmicPenguin: i plan to merge most of that tomorrow, so if you or Ray want to help... :) Apr 26 16:55:13 anttix: It does look useful to me although we'd probably have more use for it if it could look at xorg and tell us what packages were missing from OE and then generate them Apr 26 16:55:25 koen: ok - I'll let ray know Apr 26 16:57:32 RP: hmm, that's a tough one :) I can create a script that looks through a pre-defined set of directories for .bb files with the same package name and version. Apr 26 16:57:52 eg the proposed x11-libs, x11-apps etc. Apr 26 16:58:03 * koen remembers kergoth's sed scripts :) Apr 26 16:58:24 wow, my xorg work is actually being used. Apr 26 16:58:38 koen: I can write it in sed too, but I'm too lazy to do that :P Apr 26 16:58:39 anttix: If we can combine a lot of this into some xorg include files, (including some of the existing packages), that'd be great Apr 26 16:59:20 a nice piece of work for the BSP :) Apr 26 17:01:46 Ok, I'll move logic out of the templates to the .inc files, make the set of directories the script uses for output configurable (like libs, apps etc) and implement sort of "update" logic so that existing .bb files will not be overwritten. Apr 26 17:02:28 Xorg autoconf stuff is a madness though :( Apr 26 17:02:38 better then imake Apr 26 17:02:46 Xorg-server and some of the HW drivers have include files with conflicting names. Apr 26 17:03:05 You can see from the templates through what sort of hoops I had to jump to get it to build :( Apr 26 17:03:28 eg. there is a file shadow.h in xserver Apr 26 17:04:01 if -I{STAGEDIR} is before -I{SERVER SOURCES}/shadow the build will fail with conflicting types in stdio.h Apr 26 17:04:41 and -I{STAGEDIR} is everywhere, in CFLAGS, in CPPFLAGS etc. You name it :P Apr 26 17:05:43 TheMasterMind1: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=658 looks to be missing the bits to make FC_LANG as variable in the makefile Apr 26 17:06:28 TheMasterMind1: I suspect that .bb in that patch will try to run generated binaries Apr 26 17:07:18 sometimes it sucks trying to build X on a machine that doesn't have X installed natively Apr 26 17:07:28 but its good because you discover all the -native packages that have gone missing Apr 26 17:12:46 CosmicPenguin: wookey suggested to crosscompile debian by default to track down broken packages Apr 26 17:12:57 thats a good idea Apr 26 17:13:09 CosmicPenguin: but he pointed out that would stop debian development for about 6 months Apr 26 17:13:27 and the x86 people wouldn't get it Apr 26 17:14:28 mornin' all Apr 26 17:14:35 hey mreimer Apr 26 17:14:40 hey keon Apr 26 17:14:43 sorry, koen Apr 26 17:14:49 dyslexic fingers Apr 26 17:16:23 like anyone would notice debian development stalling for 6 months :p Apr 26 17:17:04 treke|home: ;) Apr 26 17:33:02 hey woglinde Apr 26 17:35:25 huhu koen Apr 26 17:45:18 Does LSF have a decent initramfs for their livecd? Apr 26 17:45:40 I'm looking for something clean that doesn't have a whole lot of distro dependancies in it Apr 26 17:46:34 cosmic hm? Apr 26 17:46:43 debian hasnt so much Apr 26 17:48:54 he reenoo Apr 26 17:49:08 hey woglinde Apr 26 17:49:20 hi ar Apr 26 17:57:53 evening Apr 26 17:58:28 hey cyrilRomain Apr 26 17:58:44 RP: thanks for your patch, i'm updating the OE database :) Apr 26 17:58:54 hi koen Apr 26 18:07:07 Doh ! The tosa-patch applied but kernel compilation fails further: http://oe.pastebin.com/683459, any ideas ? Apr 26 18:09:40 hm some header problem Apr 26 18:10:59 maybee you have to change the type of tosabl_device in tosa.h or tosa_lcd.c Apr 26 18:11:34 well, maybe tosa.h in included too early ? Apr 26 18:12:02 huh???? Apr 26 18:14:46 woooo! Apr 26 18:14:53 bootchart is running on my z Apr 26 18:16:44 * koen install coreutils Apr 26 18:17:14 hey zecke Apr 26 18:17:20 zecke: Apr 26 18:17:20 20:24 < koen> woooo! Apr 26 18:17:21 20:24 < koen> bootchart is running on my z Apr 26 18:19:18 koen: bootchart or embootchart? Apr 26 18:19:34 zecke: bootchart Apr 26 18:19:45 hmm Apr 26 18:19:47 altboot + bash + coreutils makes it work Apr 26 18:19:52 bootchart sucks Apr 26 18:19:52 I couldn't find embootchart Apr 26 18:20:08 it is inappropriate for embedded systems Apr 26 18:21:42 yeah Apr 26 18:21:47 and a z is 'embedded' Apr 26 18:22:42 embedded to your pocket, most of the time Apr 26 18:30:27 zecke: precompiled headers: sure, just pass --enable-pch :-) (require g++ 4.0.3 or later, I believe, earlier versions are buggy) Apr 26 18:31:55 zecke: I _think_ that pastebin is what you get if your g++ is buggy, but could be wrong Apr 26 18:32:25 njs: I have 4.0.1 build 5250 ;) Apr 26 18:32:41 yeah, I think .1 is too old Apr 26 18:32:43 njs: you don't have enable-final either Apr 26 18:32:54 njs: dunno which patches apple applied Apr 26 18:33:23 might ask in #monotone, there are people who know more about fiddly build issues than me :-) Apr 26 18:34:21 _1 as anonspace looks weird... Apr 26 18:39:47 ~lart jjfs2 Apr 26 18:39:48 * ibot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down jjfs2's throat until jjfs2 puts on 150lbs Apr 26 18:39:53 ~lart jffs2 Apr 26 18:39:54 * ibot holds jffs2 to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails Apr 26 18:41:14 koen, cyrilRomain: That error looks like a gcc4 problem Apr 26 18:41:53 RP: I compared /cross/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/include/asm/arch-pxa/tosa.h with /work/tosa-linux-gnueabi/linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r11/linux-2.6.16/include/asm-arm/arch-pxa/tosa.h Apr 26 18:42:47 RP: and there is 'extern struct platform_device tosabl_device;' in the latter but not in the former Apr 26 18:43:16 could it be that ? Apr 26 18:44:39 cyrilRomain: You could try removing that line Apr 26 18:45:23 bleh Apr 26 18:45:31 ~lart bootchart for filling up the flash Apr 26 18:45:31 * ibot resizes bootchart's terminal to 40x24 for filling up the flash Apr 26 18:45:45 zecke: do you have a link to the embootchart tarball? Apr 26 18:45:49 hi all ... trying to build opie-image (dev.oe.org) i got this errror : >>> ERROR: Nothing provides dependency dcopidl-native <<< ... Apr 26 18:46:01 koen: not yet :( Apr 26 18:46:57 hello #oe Apr 26 18:47:05 RP: well, it seems to go further in compilation Apr 26 18:47:41 * cyrilRomain crossing all his fingers Apr 26 18:47:56 will any monotone work when it was builded with gcc-4.0.2 ? Apr 26 18:49:18 njs: it works without pch Apr 26 18:50:57 rob_w: my monotone was built with gcc4.1 and works without problems. So i guess yes. Apr 26 18:51:37 good Apr 26 18:52:38 so what is the deal with monotone 0.25 to 0.26 .. can t i use 0.26 or will i miss what ? Apr 26 18:52:38 koen: could you check what I did wrong on my mtn pull (0.26) Apr 26 18:53:02 rob_w: see the various mailing lists reportd Apr 26 18:53:05 rob_w: NO, don't use monotone-0.26 for now Apr 26 18:53:20 cyrilRomain: I have a built reproducing the problem, have applied the same fix and a patch ready to push i it solved the problem :) Apr 26 18:53:25 rob_w: http://www.venge.net/monotone/NEWS Apr 26 18:54:00 rob_w: there was big changes between the two version, and with monotone-0.26 you will not be able to update the OE database Apr 26 18:55:25 rob_w: please read carefully the GettingStarted page if did not read it already, it could save you many time (or avoiding to loose time) ! Apr 26 18:56:03 RP: yes, it still compiles :) Apr 26 18:56:11 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r172a124f... 10/packages/ (ixp425-eth/ixp400-eth_1.5.bb linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.16.bb): ixp425-eth: added DEPENDS line for ixp-osal Apr 26 18:56:34 thanks , so i go for 0.25 Apr 26 18:56:43 rob_w: yes :) Apr 26 18:56:58 rob_w: but besides that, monotone 0.26 is great Apr 26 18:57:34 zecke, when will all work with 0.26 ? Apr 26 18:57:47 rob_w: don't know yet Apr 26 18:57:54 rob_w: that depends on us Apr 26 18:58:00 rob_w: and communication Apr 26 18:59:39 zecke, so that sounds like the repository`s need to be fixed "in some way ?" Apr 26 19:00:07 rob_w: not fixed. But once we switch to 0.26, there is no way back Apr 26 19:00:19 rob_w: every OE user needs to have monotone 0.26 at that point Apr 26 19:01:13 what if i dont checkin currently ?? can i use 0.26 just to get proper updates ? Apr 26 19:01:28 rob_w: totally incomaptible Apr 26 19:01:36 rob_w: you can only convert from 0.25 to 0.26 Apr 26 19:01:47 rob_w: one have different network ports... Apr 26 19:02:05 network ports .. i see Apr 26 19:02:32 rob_w: and different storage Apr 26 19:03:16 zecke, so but i can have a 0.26 made repository separate from the existing installation ? Apr 26 19:03:48 rob_w: yes, but you can't pull from a monotone 0.25 server Apr 26 19:04:00 rob_w: OE is to date and the next weeks in monotone 0.25 land Apr 26 19:04:57 cyrilRomain: It worked for me - I'll push a fix Apr 26 19:05:18 RP: me too, thanks =) Apr 26 19:13:07 so now that monotone refuses to find boost Apr 26 19:15:50 zecke: could you try to pull again? Apr 26 19:16:07 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf813f251... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Fix a tosa build failure with gcc4 (tosa.h references tosabl_device which is declared static in tosa.c) Apr 26 19:16:12 hmmm Apr 26 19:16:55 koen: did I spell something wrong? Apr 26 19:17:24 rob_w: monotone depends on boost, so install boost then monotone (should be done by the package managment tool, but ...) Apr 26 19:17:35 zecke: I think I missplet something Apr 26 19:17:43 gaah Apr 26 19:17:47 misspelt* Apr 26 19:18:08 heh Apr 26 19:18:23 mtn: warning: error: not serving branch 'org.openembedded.dev' Apr 26 19:18:50 zecke: and now? Apr 26 19:19:18 mtn --db=OE-26.db serve "*" should serve everything Apr 26 19:22:01 zecke: I can pull now Apr 26 19:22:36 hm. building konqueror depends on dcopidl-native, but nothing provides it Apr 26 19:22:49 raduga: you need to install it on your host Apr 26 19:22:50 oh. gremlin already said that :/ Apr 26 19:22:54 raduga: right ATM Apr 26 19:23:01 raduga: install it from debian Apr 26 19:23:18 koen: heh. right ATM i need to read the scrollback, before I ask stuff ;) Apr 26 19:23:31 thanks :) Apr 26 19:23:49 hi ggilbert Apr 26 19:24:01 I Hey pb Apr 26 19:24:53 zeck: what's the package called in the debian-sphere? Apr 26 19:24:59 zecke: Apr 26 19:25:28 raduga: kdelibs-dev or something like that Apr 26 19:26:00 koen: no revs in Apr 26 19:26:41 koen: io error Apr 26 19:26:54 aaaah Apr 26 19:27:01 koen: stopped after 8mb Apr 26 19:27:02 * koen changes permission on the dir Apr 26 19:27:07 ah Apr 26 19:27:10 which dir? Apr 26 19:27:16 /var/www/OE :) Apr 26 19:28:54 mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in Apr 26 19:28:54 mtn: 24.4 M | 479 | 214/25,795 | 63/6,559 Apr 26 19:29:12 heh. Apr 26 19:29:32 koen: I hope you're timing it :) Apr 26 19:29:40 koen: debian apt claims it can't install kdelibs-dev out of stable, or testing Apr 26 19:29:42 RP: I'm timing mime Apr 26 19:29:43 only unstable ;) Apr 26 19:30:01 RP: I did before Apr 26 19:30:07 RP: it's ~7 times faster Apr 26 19:30:38 njs: do you have proof that sqlite3 and ext3 don't like each other? Apr 26 19:30:39 raduga: kdelibs4-dev Apr 26 19:31:28 re Apr 26 19:31:31 koen: right. nogo! :) Apr 26 19:31:32 mickeyl: wb Apr 26 19:31:33 mickeyl: hey Apr 26 19:31:37 silly debian Apr 26 19:31:44 mickeyl: good evening Apr 26 19:31:45 wb mickeyl Apr 26 19:31:47 mickeyl: I'm fixing some virtual/libqpe remains Apr 26 19:32:04 zecke: thanks. while you're doing this, could you also Apr 26 19:32:12 check if inheriting palmtop might make more sense than qmake Apr 26 19:32:25 mickeyl: hehe, I tried to avoid that Apr 26 19:32:29 remove stuff from EXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST that is already given in palmtop Apr 26 19:32:30 (thinking) Apr 26 19:32:47 in most cases I think it's better to do that Apr 26 19:33:03 i.e. all the stuff that links to qpe anyway Apr 26 19:33:25 mickeyl: I'm not allowed to take a class this semester... Because I don't have my 'Vordiplom' yet :} Apr 26 19:33:33 bummer Apr 26 19:33:37 do they take this serious? Apr 26 19:33:43 we usually don't Apr 26 19:33:45 mickeyl: normally not Apr 26 19:33:48 only if it's overcrowded Apr 26 19:33:58 mickeyl: that was the case in the beginning Apr 26 19:34:14 mickeyl: Well I don't need any courses for my Vordiplom... Apr 26 19:34:22 mickeyl: I'm basicly somewhere in between :} Apr 26 19:34:51 zecke: vordiplom = bachelor? Apr 26 19:35:01 koen: close ;) Apr 26 19:35:13 koen: it requires some more things Apr 26 19:38:19 now on to dcopidl-native Apr 26 19:38:55 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r9e075333... 10/packages/opie-keyview/opie-keyview.inc: Apr 26 19:38:55 packages/opie-keyview/opie-keyview: Apr 26 19:38:55 We already depend on libqpe1 through opie.bbclass -> palmtop.bbclass Apr 26 19:40:39 RP: Doh ! wifi-driver patch fails: http://oe.pastebin.com/683658, any ideas ? Apr 26 19:41:06 * cyrilRomain becomming a pastebin fan, thanks zecke ! Apr 26 19:41:17 hehe Apr 26 19:41:35 cyrilRomain: I think you can safely remove that patch - I think I remember someone saying it was now applied in svn? Apr 26 19:42:03 RP: well, let's try :) Apr 26 19:44:49 zecke: so what can we do now that I promised to send you the c750 only after vordipom? ;)) Apr 26 19:45:13 mickeyl: helping me to focus on the exams Apr 26 19:45:36 mickeyl: current plan: 12 weeks for two oral VD exams Apr 26 19:45:52 mickeyl: then 6 weeks for three normal classes Apr 26 19:46:15 mickeyl: looking at the time frame I'm not too sad Apr 26 19:46:33 zecke: ok, that's a tough schedule anyway, but it sounds like you can manage it Apr 26 19:46:49 mickeyl: how's the phd going? Apr 26 19:47:02 mickeyl: tough? Apr 26 19:47:52 howdy, got some problems when trying to update monotone Apr 26 19:47:59 database taht is Apr 26 19:48:09 koen: hard to estimate at that point. in 3 weeks I'm at the status where I have a first version where - if it was just me - I can say, it's not perfect, but I could submit it. Apr 26 19:48:27 koen: now the question is... what will my supervisor say at that point Apr 26 19:48:36 mickeyl: We have a girl at Uni who is doing a PhD on middleware as well ;) Apr 26 19:48:37 i hope he has not too many construction sites Apr 26 19:48:42 (dunno what my point is) Apr 26 19:48:50 zecke: excellent. we need more girls in academics :) Apr 26 19:48:51 RP: well, it compiled. hope that it will work... anyway I'll probably try with qemu before flashing Apr 26 19:48:59 mickeyl: you don't want here Apr 26 19:49:05 http://pastebin.com/683676 Apr 26 19:49:15 can somebody help me out? Apr 26 19:49:17 mickeyl: she was so excellent, she was outsourced to the 'Account Verwaltung' Apr 26 19:49:33 cyrilRomain: It won't work with qemu as qemu knows nothing about emulating a tosa - for qemu you need qemuarm Apr 26 19:50:47 Anyone wanna make my day and solve this? http://pastebin.com/683473 Apr 26 19:50:49 redguy: That means "nothing to pull" Apr 26 19:50:49 RP: thanks for the info, I'll read and follow your page about 'ARM System Emulation with QEMU and OE' Apr 26 19:51:31 dammit - I hate it when I edit the wrong patch with quilt Apr 26 19:51:32 redguy: that happens. just repull Apr 26 19:53:12 mickeyl: does it often happens ? Apr 26 19:53:37 cyrilRomain: depends on how overloaded vanille is Apr 26 19:54:13 zecke: ok, maybe should we add this in the wiki in CommonErrorsansSolution then, don't you think ? Apr 26 19:54:34 cyrilRomain: not really, but once all 10 times here. Apr 26 19:54:36 cyrilRomain: SOlution, get a better server ;) Apr 26 19:54:43 mickeyl: the monotone people are looking into the netsync protocol locking Apr 26 19:54:45 cyrilRomain: I haven't seen it in a while Apr 26 19:54:57 koen: good to know Apr 26 19:55:19 Ken|JLime: ../scripts/cpp: line 6: exec: gcc: not found Apr 26 19:55:24 sounds pretty clear to me :) Apr 26 19:55:28 where's your local gcc ? Apr 26 19:55:31 zecke: ok Apr 26 19:56:30 shoot, I lost my connection Apr 26 19:56:37 CosmicPenguin: do you know if ray wants to commit the xorg stuff himself or send it for review? Apr 26 19:56:43 CosmicPenguin: (either oi Apr 26 19:56:46 ugh Apr 26 19:56:55 CosmicPenguin: (either one is fine by me) Apr 26 19:58:07 If my questions don't belong in here and/or are answered in the docs jest tell me, I won't bother you anymore, really Apr 26 19:58:39 koen: he was looking through the list of stuff, and he said that we probably don't have anything to add to that list Apr 26 19:58:46 we just sort of reinvented the wheel Apr 26 19:58:51 CosmicPenguin: D'oh Apr 26 19:58:56 but I told him to send you any changes he had Apr 26 19:59:08 he did just get the nvidia display drivers building.. :) Apr 26 19:59:12 so thats pretty good Apr 26 19:59:25 indeed Apr 26 20:02:25 mickeyl: would you have some time on friday/saterday to aid us in the bug squashing party? Apr 26 20:03:17 i'm afraid not. that date is a bit sucky for me as I leave tomorrow until sunday for a church weekend :/ Apr 26 20:03:40 i'm back on sunday @ 1500 Apr 26 20:03:49 we'll save some bugs for you ;) Apr 26 20:03:50 but probably too tired to do anything Apr 26 20:03:54 hehe, i bet Apr 26 20:04:08 have fun there Apr 26 20:04:09 have fun Apr 26 20:04:27 koen: I'd like to help. I'm still an OE noob but if I can help... I'll be there on saturday. Apr 26 20:04:37 thanks. I't always exhausting, but fun anyway. Apr 26 20:04:47 i'm slowly getting too old for that kind of things Apr 26 20:04:56 trying to keep 30 14 year olds under control Apr 26 20:05:10 Could someone tell me what this script does Apr 26 20:05:13 perl -pi -e 's?\$\(built-program-cmd\)?/scratchbox/tools/bin/rpcgen?;' \ sunrpc/Makefile Apr 26 20:05:17 koen: installed vim7? Apr 26 20:05:24 koen: how is tab completion working now? Apr 26 20:05:26 zecke: yes Apr 26 20:05:30 zecke: no idea Apr 26 20:05:58 CTRL+N but selection... Apr 26 20:06:24 Ken|JLime: it seems that person didn't know how sed works, so he (or she) used perl Apr 26 20:07:13 koen: just want to know whats the basic idea behind that script, is it to replace "built-program-cmd" with "/scratchbox/tools/bin/rpcgen"? Apr 26 20:07:29 guess you need to ask the glibc folks, this is a pretty specialized question Apr 26 20:07:35 (or does it come from our .bb?) Apr 26 20:07:44 (in that case, where are our toolchain guys?) Apr 26 20:07:58 Ken|JLime: well, he/she used '?' as separator, for sure Apr 26 20:08:53 Ken|JLime: I think it is to replace "$(built-program-cmd)" with "/scratchbox/tools/bin/rpsgen" Apr 26 20:09:10 s/rpsgen/rpcgen/ Apr 26 20:10:11 Big thx Apr 26 20:10:34 Btw, I figured out why I couldnt login last night. I didnt have the libnss_compat library Apr 26 20:10:41 Ken|JLime: strange way of variable affection anyway .... Apr 26 20:26:06 hi for moment Apr 26 20:26:19 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r133b6a0c... 10/packages/dcop/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Apr 26 20:26:19 packages/dcop/: Apr 26 20:26:19 Build a native version of the dcopidl and Apr 26 20:26:19 dcopidl2cpp generator. Apr 26 20:26:19 The two executables will be installed into Apr 26 20:26:19 staging bindir. Apr 26 20:28:35 hey hrw Apr 26 20:31:17 koen: better perl then php ;) Apr 26 20:31:31 I like php over perl Apr 26 20:31:35 RP: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/archive/tosa-tmio-lcd-r5-rp1.patch -> 404 Apr 26 20:32:13 koen: source in perl looks same before and after RSA encryption. Apr 26 20:32:35 I tried to teach myself to write readable perl Apr 26 20:32:40 I failed Apr 26 20:32:55 I was able to tweak perl scripts years ago Apr 26 20:33:04 koen: hehe, I apply the steal, rip and punch pattern when writing perl code Apr 26 20:33:19 (tinderbox) Apr 26 20:33:40 any news on the survey? Apr 26 20:33:50 I forgot to respond to your mail Apr 26 20:34:00 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r9e19112a... 10/packages/konqueror/konqueror-embedded_20060404.bb: Apr 26 20:34:00 packages/konqueror/konqueror 3.5.4: Apr 26 20:34:00 -Depend on dcopidl2cpp as well Apr 26 20:45:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7da66fda... 10/packages/zaurus-updater/zaurus-updater.bb: zaurusupdater: make sure to create the directory to copy the script in Apr 26 20:53:34 mickey|tv: we should set oreferred version for konqueror embedded Apr 26 20:53:42 mickey|tv: until we can safely select -mt Apr 26 20:55:55 mreimer: does that w100 patch speed up w3200 as well? Apr 26 20:56:00 koen: is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl now a monotone-0.26 server ? I means, should I remove ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl from the GettingStarted page in alternate server list ? Apr 26 20:56:11 cyrilRomain: it's both Apr 26 20:56:20 koen: it works on w3200, but I haven't benchmarked it Apr 26 20:56:26 0.25 and 0.26 use different ports Apr 26 20:56:28 koen: fixed, sorry. I'll updated the .bb next time I'm in there with the true url (should have had temp in it) Apr 26 20:57:16 RP: thanks for fixing Apr 26 20:57:32 koen: does it work as is, or should we specify the port, e.g. ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl:3002 ? Apr 26 20:57:45 cyrilRomain: it works as is Apr 26 20:57:55 koen: great :) Apr 26 21:26:36 ~fuck nokia! Apr 26 21:26:55 and their 'so called' BT cf cards Apr 26 21:27:48 crap Apr 26 21:32:50 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r80f57797... 10/packages/ (5 files in 2 dirs): task-python-everything, python-pygtk: cosmetic changes Apr 26 21:40:45 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r33e2cbcd... 10/packages/pvrusb2-mci/ (pvrusb2-mci-20060423/Makefile.patch pvrusb2-mci_20060423.bb): pvrusb2-mci: added release 20060423 Apr 26 21:42:50 hi Apr 26 21:42:57 cu Apr 26 21:43:20 bye hrw|gone Apr 26 22:58:26 thank again RP, nite all Apr 26 23:46:23 "only use HEAD if you are developing it" only applies to bitbake doesn't it? not the OE metadata. Apr 26 23:46:50 yep Apr 27 00:00:19 Hello everyone Apr 27 00:00:39 Is this the room for OpenEmbedded for Linux? Apr 27 00:02:14 Hello? Apr 27 00:02:18 Is anyone there? Apr 27 00:04:11 yes it is Apr 27 00:04:16 as suggested by the topic Apr 27 00:05:43 Hi guys ! Apr 27 00:06:26 Hi Apr 27 00:06:52 hello :-) Apr 27 00:07:47 It might not be the perfect place to ask, but what should be faster : a NAND flash with MTD block driver JFFS2 formatted, or an ext3 formated 50x CompactFlash card ? Apr 27 00:08:07 Ecco: the latter, definitely Apr 27 00:08:11 So OpenEmbedded is basically a set of software tools for developers to use? Apr 27 00:08:31 mreimer: ok, allright. That's what I thought as well Apr 27 00:08:44 but I've tested that out on my C-1000 Zaurus Apr 27 00:08:47 Sorry, I'm new, but I'm interested in embedded systems Apr 27 00:08:58 and it looked like the NAND flash performed better Apr 27 00:09:25 Ecco: depends on your mmc/sd controller Apr 27 00:09:33 bioengine: to make hard things simple : OE will let you build a rootfs from scratch that's specially targetted at embedded device. OE might even help you build a kernel Apr 27 00:09:48 Ecco: on h2200 the SD controller is about as fast as NAND, so ext2 wins over jffs2 Apr 27 00:09:58 mreimer: I'm using a CF card, not an MMC/SD. MMC/SD cards work in MMC-compatibility mode on Zaurus, which is damn slow Apr 27 00:10:04 hmm, ok Apr 27 00:10:29 According to you, what would be the best way to test performances ? Apr 27 00:10:32 What is rootfs? Apr 27 00:10:44 I tried MD5-ing a file on both FS, but that didn't look like a good test Apr 27 00:10:55 bioengine: now you should use google Apr 27 00:11:03 or your favourite search engine Apr 27 00:11:07 or wikipedia Apr 27 00:11:25 and try to figure out a bit how an Operating System work, and especially Linux Apr 27 00:11:41 OK Apr 27 00:12:43 Once again, to make it short : You provide your computer (workstation, server, or embedded, that doesn't matter) with a kernel somewhere in its addressable memory (i.e. in its RAM). The kernel is started, but once it runs it needs a whol bunch of "tools" (userland programs). Those are contained in a root file system (rootfs) Apr 27 00:13:15 "top", "man", "bash" are some of them Apr 27 00:13:26 Ecco: I just use hdparm -tT Apr 27 00:13:40 mreimer: damn. I'm feeling stupid right now :-D Apr 27 00:13:48 ;-) Apr 27 00:13:52 Ecco: I felt pretty stupid too when someone told me that :-) Apr 27 00:13:54 Oh, i'll apt-get it :-) Apr 27 00:14:06 he he :-) Apr 27 00:14:20 Ok, it's getting really late here Apr 27 00:14:23 see you later guys :-) Apr 27 00:16:52 OK, so the kernel basically provides resources for software programs written for these embedded devices to access the hardware resources Apr 27 00:18:13 OK I understand now Apr 27 00:18:25 It looks like all this stuff here is what I went to school for Apr 27 00:19:03 OK I understand much better now Apr 27 00:27:45 Where can you get CVS for Linux? Apr 27 00:28:22 yum install cvs Apr 27 00:35:01 My kernel has hostap-modules built-in and i want to build hostap-utils. is ASSUME_PROVIDED="hostap-modules" in my local.conf the best way to stop bb from dying on this package? or is there something i can stick in the kernel's .bb file that will tell the dependency system that hostap-modules prerequisite has been satisfied? Apr 27 01:42:38 i was wondering ... what would the concensus be on adding vastly different compiler support to OE for building non-linux OS's Apr 27 01:50:58 emte: such as? Apr 27 01:53:10 sdcc etc Apr 27 01:53:17 for RTOS stuff Apr 27 01:53:20 etc Apr 27 01:54:02 its only occured to me because i am writting a PIC webserver for class Apr 27 01:55:03 but getting frreeRTOS into OE would be noce as well Apr 27 01:55:09 freeRTOS* Apr 27 01:56:45 RTOS etc don't need a lot of the prebuilt OE stuff Apr 27 01:57:52 no it doesnt Apr 27 01:58:13 was thinking about the build system Apr 27 01:59:19 just not sure about the branching out to non 32bit systems Apr 27 01:59:52 its a thought, not much more Apr 27 02:09:36 Hey there. Q: is there a nicer way to add a suid bit to /sbin/halt.sysvinit than to hack it into sysvinit_2.86.bb? (so that normal users may reboot) Apr 27 03:58:23 wrobbie, aside from adding your user to a group with permissions to run it? Apr 27 03:59:29 emte: well, that would be root group.. Apr 27 04:00:58 emte: i guess suid would be simplest, but i was wondereing how/where best to change it Apr 27 04:01:28 probably the postinst of the ipkg Apr 27 04:02:05 of the sysvinit package? Apr 27 04:03:02 is suid installed? Apr 27 04:03:13 i thought it was part of sudo Apr 27 04:03:16 not by default w/ busybox i don't think Apr 27 04:03:41 and you can change the group ownership of reboot/shutdown Apr 27 04:03:49 wheel is a common choice Apr 27 04:04:34 unless there is some hardcoded mechanism preventing you from changing it Apr 27 04:04:39 hmm? i mean suid permissions bit.. ok, but how/where to change group then? :) Apr 27 04:04:51 actually, sec i'll try it on mine Apr 27 04:05:29 after a hardreboot of course ... stupid suspend Apr 27 04:06:31 runtime chmod/chgrp is no good, as my rootfs is in ramdisk. Apr 27 04:09:14 ah yeah, i would nee dto modify the image ... Apr 27 04:09:20 forgot about that Apr 27 04:09:42 tho you will still need to for sudo/suid Apr 27 04:10:47 why? just 'chmod 4755 /sbin/halt.sysvinit' would do Apr 27 04:12:43 but i dont think it will persist after the reboot Apr 27 04:13:35 for the same reason you gave Apr 27 04:13:47 anyway brb Apr 27 04:14:06 exactly, so how best to do this at rootfs build time :) Apr 27 06:26:44 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rca9acbf5... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.conf: openzaurus-3.5.4.conf: allow to override FEED_URIS for 3.5.4.1 work Apr 27 06:26:48 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r0203118d... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.1.conf: oz 3.5.4.1.conf: bump to RC1, fix altboot to 1.0.6 Apr 27 07:02:03 good morning all Apr 27 07:02:21 morn Apr 27 07:02:34 my t5 is going in the mail this week to be repaired Apr 27 07:02:34 [03:10] and i GUESS they have familiar booting on them now Apr 27 07:02:34 [03:10] HELL YEAH! Apr 27 07:10:12 yo Apr 27 07:10:48 hey Genesis Apr 27 07:10:56 hey koen :) Apr 27 07:21:23 morning Apr 27 07:38:35 morning Apr 27 07:40:06 hey hrw|work Apr 27 07:40:35 pxa mmc timeout fix is in mainline Apr 27 07:40:40 nice Apr 27 07:40:45 ~lart wlan-ng-modules Apr 27 07:40:53 ~lart module.bbclass Apr 27 07:41:00 * ibot crushes wlan-ng-modules with a full height scsi disk Apr 27 07:41:00 * ibot gives module.bbclass a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" Apr 27 07:41:06 ~lart people RDPENDING on kernel-modules Apr 27 07:41:31 * ibot drops a truckload of VAXen on people RDPENDING on kernel-modules Apr 27 07:41:35 ~lart people RDPENDING on kernel-modules again Apr 27 07:42:03 * ibot calls people RDPENDING on kernel-modules again on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home Apr 27 07:42:26 RP: *if* you are going to RDEPEND on kernel-modules, could you make the defconfig generate them? (tosa) Apr 27 07:42:34 this tosa build is getting annoying Apr 27 07:44:11 morning Apr 27 07:45:34 koen: Which ares are missing? Apr 27 07:46:08 hold on Apr 27 07:46:13 * koen starts another build Apr 27 07:46:49 RP: could you change the non essential stuff to RRECOMMENDS? Apr 27 07:46:57 like bluetooth, IR, smbfs? Apr 27 07:47:52 and tosa-2.6 is broken Apr 27 07:48:01 there is no wlan-ng-modules-usb Apr 27 07:48:15 only wlan-ng-modules-usb-${KERNEL_VERSION} Apr 27 07:49:12 RP: | kernel-module-8250 kernel-module-serial-cs kernel-module-hci-vhci kernel-module-ir-usb kernel-module-spectrum-cs wlan-ng-modules-usb Apr 27 07:50:11 koen: wlan-ng-modules-usb-2.6 should provide wlan-ng-modules-usb Apr 27 07:50:31 Provides: wlan-ng-modules-usb-2.6.16 Apr 27 07:50:33 and that's it Apr 27 07:51:14 so out-of-kernel modules are fscked Apr 27 07:51:18 yes Apr 27 07:51:36 and include/zaurus-clamshell-2.6 as well Apr 27 07:51:53 if we change kernel.bbclass the z's are fucked Apr 27 07:52:43 it should use the linux_modules class to get the runtime name for kernel modules Apr 27 07:52:54 not hardcoding kernel-module-foo Apr 27 07:54:57 morning all Apr 27 07:55:08 hey do13_ Apr 27 07:55:17 hey koen Apr 27 07:55:24 hi dirk Apr 27 07:55:35 hey Marcin Apr 27 07:56:01 do13_: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18471 Apr 27 07:56:25 hi Dirk Apr 27 07:56:41 hi Richard, thx for the patches Apr 27 07:56:50 koen: If you rebuilt task-bootstrap, does it get the name right? Apr 27 07:57:16 hrw|work: I know the thread, but the tosa isn't ready Apr 27 07:57:23 RP: it doesn't Apr 27 07:57:38 do13_: ah. ok - just wanted to know due to last posts Apr 27 07:58:26 koen: I know I've seen issues with the build order and debian.bbclass's renaming not always working due to the packages getting built before the renaming has been decided... Apr 27 07:58:56 do13_: np :) Apr 27 07:58:59 it's not debian.bbclass, but eithe kernel or module-base Apr 27 07:59:26 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r9b4dfaad... 10/packages/altboot/ (altboot_1.0.7-rc2.bb altboot_1.0.5.bb altboot_1.0.6.bb): altboot: Add LICENSE, drop -rf from stable branch Apr 27 07:59:35 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rea609963... 10/packages/altboot/ (altboot_1.0.5.bb altboot_1.0.6.bb altboot_1.0.7-rc2.bb): altboot: Add LICENSE Apr 27 07:59:53 s/-rf/-rc Apr 27 07:59:57 Cockroach-: uf.. finally I can distribute altboot ;) Apr 27 08:00:24 s/cockroach-/coredump Apr 27 08:00:40 ;) Apr 27 08:06:23 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/clamshell-done-right.conf Apr 27 08:06:34 RP: that should prevent renaming accidents Apr 27 08:07:43 RP: you can change the RRECOMMEND in a RDEPENDS if you really want ;) Apr 27 08:07:49 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=firefox+for+openzaurus ;D Apr 27 08:08:15 koen: This is actually not needed any more - linux_modules.bbclass isn't needed any more Apr 27 08:08:59 it was a few weeks ago Apr 27 08:09:04 koen: What's wrong with the renaming? Apr 27 08:09:26 koen: package.bbclass watches any renaming performed by PKG_* and alters runtime variables accordingly Apr 27 08:11:00 RP: what happends in module.bbclass gets changed to emit linux-module-foo? Apr 27 08:11:11 koen: Its why I'm extrememly suspicous of your output above as there are no -2.6's on the end of he module names. Are you using PARALLEL_INSTALL_MODULES or not? Apr 27 08:11:37 koen: That wasn't why it was written - it was written to cope with PARALLE_INSTALL_MODULES Apr 27 08:11:53 koen: we're not likely to change "kernel-modules" into anything else Apr 27 08:12:05 yes, I'm using parallell install modules Apr 27 08:14:04 RP: but besides that, any idea on the wlan-ng-modules thing? Apr 27 08:15:12 koen: The 2.6.16 looks bogus - we need to find where that comes from Apr 27 08:15:20 koen: what's the problem with wlan-ng-modules Apr 27 08:15:39 RP: I suspect from parallel-install-modules Apr 27 08:15:54 do13_: it's called wlan-ng-modules-usb-2.6.16 over here Apr 27 08:16:00 do13_: so I can't make an image Apr 27 08:16:13 I think pb_ said we could remove all the parallel-install-modules code as it didn't do what was intended anyway Apr 27 08:16:29 I can't see the problem here Apr 27 08:16:32 koen: Angstrom doesn't really need it anyway if its 2.6 only ;-) Apr 27 08:16:49 NOTE: package bootstrap-image-1.0: completed Apr 27 08:16:49 NOTE: build 200604261922: completed Apr 27 08:17:29 RP: I was thinking about tracking kernel version for external modules Apr 27 08:18:24 koen: You don't need parallel_install_modules for that Apr 27 08:19:04 RP: with angstrom we will not use stuff like 'checkversion' so what do you think about adding PR into /proc/version? Apr 27 08:23:01 hrw|work: It makes sense on the Zaurus I guess Apr 27 08:23:01 moin Apr 27 08:23:05 hi zecke Apr 27 08:23:30 RP: 2.6.16-r11 give move infos when bug happen Apr 27 08:24:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r86a33c5f... 10/conf/distro/angstrom.conf: angstrom: remove parallel-install-modules Apr 27 08:26:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2c6aac8b... 10/packages/wlan-ng/wlan-ng-modules.inc: wlan-ng-modules: remove patch that was applied to svn Apr 27 08:27:36 for scm fetched sources it would be great to have mindate/maxdate options for patches Apr 27 08:28:33 listing patches in a .inc is also a bit icky Apr 27 08:29:35 do13_: is your .defconfig the same as the one in OE? Apr 27 08:30:04 do13_: I think OE is missing kernel-module-8250 kernel-module-serial-cs kernel-module-hci-vhci kernel-module-ir-usb kernel-module-spectrum-cs Apr 27 08:30:21 * koen rebuilds from scratch to be sure Apr 27 08:30:40 koen: I suspect only the cmdline is different Apr 27 08:32:47 koen: All these modules are in tmp/deploy/ipkg Apr 27 08:46:11 Hello ! Apr 27 08:47:11 hey Ecco Apr 27 08:47:22 hi :-) Apr 27 09:06:27 is back Apr 27 09:08:37 hi Liam Apr 27 09:09:01 hi hrw|work :-) Apr 27 09:10:05 hey Marcin, morning all Apr 27 09:10:15 hey lrg Apr 27 09:10:18 hi Liam Apr 27 09:10:18 hey lrg Apr 27 09:10:18 'morning :) Apr 27 09:11:24 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6a945357... 10/packages/gammu/ (gammu_1.05.00.bb gammu_1.06.00.bb): gammu: updated to 1.06.00 Apr 27 09:11:28 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r83a7a2ce... 10/packages/gammu/ (gammu_1.05.00.bb gammu_1.06.00.bb): gammu: updated to 1.06.00 Apr 27 09:20:03 zecke: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/UserSurvey Apr 27 09:26:21 koen: hehe Apr 27 09:26:28 koen: what questions would you like to rob Apr 27 09:26:40 a few Apr 27 09:26:48 but the answers are cute as well Apr 27 09:26:53 lol git-fsck-objects? Apr 27 09:26:59 that one :) Apr 27 09:28:22 koen: a SCM system is so much easier to do a query for ;) Apr 27 09:29:50 yes Apr 27 09:29:59 "how much time did it take tgo learn " Apr 27 09:30:20 s/tgo/to/ Apr 27 09:30:34 koen: did you get my link to the current version of query questions? Apr 27 09:30:38 yes Apr 27 09:30:49 looks a lot better as the previous version Apr 27 09:31:34 koen: not much is changed though (theme), ordered general etc... Apr 27 09:31:58 koen: I'm sure we have tons of questions we could ask as well Apr 27 09:32:13 koen: but I think we need to get an idea of our users first Apr 27 09:33:50 btw: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/maemo/ Apr 27 09:40:10 RP, hrw|work: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19045&pid=124776&st=0&#entry124776 Apr 27 09:42:47 rejected vs. classified Apr 27 09:42:50 RP: you made poor little sash cry ;) Apr 27 09:43:52 hi zecke Apr 27 09:47:25 RP: could you add the eabi enums patch to linux oz? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 27 10:00:00 2006