**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 30 09:59:57 2006 Apr 30 10:06:15 Hrghhh : Builded the 3rd image right now, took me a long time, but still sound doesnt work. CL860 : latest .dev image. Apr 30 10:11:17 morning Apr 30 10:11:21 Strange. cat /proc/asound/card0/oss_mixer shows all entries 0. May that be the root cause for NO sound ? Apr 30 10:11:25 Morning ChanServ Apr 30 10:11:28 Morning Cockroach- Apr 30 10:11:32 Morning CoreDump|home Apr 30 10:11:36 Oops Apr 30 10:15:21 CoreDump|home: Can you help with sound problems (CL860, newest .dev image (also .oz3541 image), no alarm (e.g.) Apr 30 10:16:23 uv1: I'm far from beeing an alsa expert Apr 30 10:16:46 CoreDump|home: Do you have a clamshell model ? Apr 30 10:17:03 yep, Akita Apr 30 10:17:11 CoreDump|home: And sound ? Apr 30 10:17:21 works fine Apr 30 10:17:51 CoreDump|home: what does "cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat say ? Apr 30 10:17:51 03lamikr 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rd48d6aab... 10/packages/base-files/base-files/h6300/fstab: base-files/h6300/fstab: add h6300 specific fstab Apr 30 10:17:55 03lamikr 07org.oe.dev * r8b0bc8c4... 10/packages/base-files/base-files/h6300/fstab: base-files/h6300/fstab: add h6300 specific fstab Apr 30 10:18:15 CoreDump|home: Installed Drivers : Type 10 ? Apr 30 10:19:28 hold on Apr 30 10:20:01 CoreDump|home: give my a favor and try "cat /proc/asound/card0/ass_mixer" as well. All entries 0 ? Apr 30 10:28:46 http://openembedded.pastebin.com/690065 Apr 30 10:29:09 CoreDump|home: Thanks, will check ... Apr 30 10:29:13 # cat /proc/asound/card0/ass_mixer Apr 30 10:29:13 cat: /proc/asound/card0/ass_mixer: No such file or directory Apr 30 10:29:35 CoreDump|home: s/ass/oss/ Apr 30 10:29:56 all zero, yes Apr 30 10:30:14 where do I put the cache settings for bitbake? "NOTE: Not using a cache. Set CACHE = to enable." Apr 30 10:30:35 CoreDump|home: Hmm. Can you also paste your /etc/asound.state ? Apr 30 10:30:35 darmou: your BBPATH is incorrect Apr 30 10:31:28 zecke yep Apr 30 10:31:38 just did an echo of $BBPATH and looks ok Apr 30 10:32:04 "/stuff/build:/stuff/org.openembedded.dev" Apr 30 10:32:12 CoreDump|home: sndstat lokks similar except the Card Config. You seem to have a different card. Apr 30 10:32:44 uv1: http://openembedded.pastebin.com/690068 Apr 30 10:33:37 uv1: yes a "spitz" card =) Apr 30 10:33:38 darmou: well the default bitbake.conf has a CACHE entry Apr 30 10:33:53 darmou: if you don't have it, you have disabled cache yourself in conf/local.conf Apr 30 10:35:49 CoreDump|home: You have lots of more stuff in that file. I will check that against mine ... Apr 30 10:36:50 the "spitz" card has tons and tons and tons of useless settings..... Apr 30 10:36:55 like 3D and stuff Apr 30 10:37:05 only a handful actually do anything Apr 30 10:38:08 CoreDump|home: Nevertheless I was hunting behind the stereo stuff. I remember I had to volume left and right channel in an older version. So I hope, that your files helps there. Apr 30 10:38:34 sorry I can't find the CACHE entry in bitbake.conf Apr 30 10:38:55 and I did follow the instructions in the getting started page Apr 30 10:39:15 ie svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.4 bitbake Apr 30 10:39:52 I checked local.conf and the cache is not being overridden Apr 30 10:42:49 I created a dir /stuff/tmp/cache/ then set CACHE to that, however I can't build anything Apr 30 10:43:30 darmou@firebird:/stuff $ bitbake nano Apr 30 10:43:38 NOTE: Using cache in '/stuff/tmp/cache/' Apr 30 10:43:45 ERROR: no files to build. Apr 30 10:44:28 Anyone here who can explain, where alsamixer gets its config from ? Apr 30 10:45:14 darmou: in OEs bitbake.conf Apr 30 10:45:29 thanks zecke Apr 30 10:47:34 uv1: /etc/asound.state Apr 30 10:47:57 delete that file and zaurusd will copy a fresh version on reboot into its place Apr 30 10:48:45 CoreDump|home: Obviously not. I put'd some stuff of your asound.state in and restarted alsamixer. But Mixer has still same configuration. Apr 30 10:48:59 No new elements to mix ;-( Apr 30 10:49:34 the new elements are a driver thing Apr 30 10:49:39 not a config thing Apr 30 10:50:00 alsactl store (or something like that) dumps your current settings Apr 30 10:50:15 Booting ... Apr 30 10:51:06 BTW : Is mmc/sd broken ? Cards mount, but an access gives an IO error. Apr 30 10:52:07 can't say for c7x0, but it should work Apr 30 10:52:31 IO errors usually indicate a broken FS on the card Apr 30 10:56:53 ok I'm using the bitbake in /stuff/bitbake/bin and using bitbake.conf from oe which is in /stuff/bitbake/conf however it's still complaining about the cache, is there somewhere special I need to put bitbake.conf? Apr 30 10:58:57 how does DEFAULT_PREFERENCE work? if it's set to 1 does it mean this version is the preferred one? Apr 30 11:04:46 CoreDump|home: Youre right. I found a card, which still works. So the SD card must have lost Apr 30 11:05:02 its filesystem somehow. Will regenerate it ... Apr 30 11:05:11 myopiate: bitbake prefers packages with a higher value of DEFAULT_PREFERENCE over those with a lower value. Apr 30 11:06:46 is there a way to get bitbake to explicitly read a config file? Apr 30 11:06:57 pH5, thanks Apr 30 11:07:34 xserver-kdrive won't download or login CVS, does anyone have a tar ball? Apr 30 11:10:55 in /stuff/bitbake there is a file called setup.py do I need to run that? Apr 30 11:11:19 myopiate: I just started a xserver-kdrive_cvs build and it downloaded just fine Apr 30 11:12:09 Anyone here with a working sound on c7x0 ? Apr 30 11:15:24 Which package is mke2fs in ? Apr 30 11:15:52 uv1: e2fsprogs Apr 30 11:16:27 e2fsprogs-mke2fs, actually Apr 30 11:17:18 bitbake -e brings up the env vars where does it get this info from? Apr 30 11:17:49 pH5, NOTE: Update cvs://anoncvs:anoncvs@anoncvs.freedesktop.org/cvs/xserver;module=xserver cvs update: cannot open CVS/Tag: Permission denied cvs update: cannot open CVS/Tag: Permission denied Apr 30 11:18:44 pH5: Just builded e2tools and e2fsprogs, installed both and do not have a mk*fs prog nor any fsck stuff ;-( Apr 30 11:19:19 myopiate: rm -rf your sources/cvs/xserver-kdrive, those look like local permission problems Apr 30 11:20:48 pH5, you're a legend. thx! Apr 30 11:20:54 ok I found a bitbake.conf file in /stuff/build/conf dir I think I may have been using that Apr 30 11:21:33 when I replace that with the one from /stuff/bitbake/conf and do a bitbake nano it says NameError: name 'oe' is not defined Apr 30 11:21:41 so I'm definitly getting closer now Apr 30 11:22:36 darmou: you have to use the one from org.oe.dev/conf. just deleting the one from build/conf should work, too Apr 30 11:24:11 uv1: did you install e2fsprogs-mke2fs? it should contain mke2fs and mkfs.ext[23] Apr 30 11:24:48 pH5: I again forgot, that "bitbake e2fsprogs" produces more then one package. Thanks for hints. Apr 30 11:25:19 pH5 ok I found the problem some errors in my local.conf it seems to be ok now, thanks for you help people Apr 30 11:25:24 you=your Apr 30 11:29:41 RP: hi, what do you think about closing bug #591 ? Apr 30 11:32:57 hrw said that xmame builds from oe but does not run on the Z what arch is that bb file designed for, does anyone know? Apr 30 11:35:39 damnr, bash on Collie is broken Apr 30 11:44:25 CoreDump do you need a working bash binary? Apr 30 11:45:05 no, just tested a bug reported by users. And found that bash is indeed FUBAR on collie Apr 30 11:45:30 ouch that's bad Apr 30 11:46:01 CoreDump|home: weird, it seems to work on my c700 (oz and angstrom) Apr 30 11:46:11 but iirc it works on your akita as well Apr 30 11:46:16 koen: It works fine on akita, too. Just not on collie Apr 30 11:46:32 and collies suspend bug is back too, yay... Apr 30 11:49:26 CoreDump|home: I was relieved that I only needed coreutils to fix busybox+EABI ;) Apr 30 11:49:40 lol Apr 30 11:50:02 isn't coreutils one of the packages replaced by bb? Apr 30 11:50:18 yes (touch, sleep, that sort of commands) Apr 30 11:50:33 but coreutils has a higher u-a priority Apr 30 11:50:46 RP: modutils-cross is now failing for Unslung, since your commit of http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded/.message/1544f2 Apr 30 11:51:07 so it will replace the bb symlinks Apr 30 11:51:32 right, what I was trying to say is that this isn't a long-term fix =) Apr 30 11:51:58 busybox 1.1.2 has eabi support, but does nothing Apr 30 11:59:53 ~curse dropbear Apr 30 11:59:57 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dropbear ! Apr 30 12:10:12 ~botmail for RP: your modutils-cross change breaks Unslung in do_stage(): mv: cannot stat `/home/slug/unslung/tmp/cross/bin/armeb-linux--depmod': No such file or directory Apr 30 12:11:47 I knew the clean autobuild would not last for 24 hours :-) Apr 30 12:12:31 rwhitby: where did you build on? Apr 30 12:12:45 zecke: found the error - pushing fix now Apr 30 12:13:07 ${TARGET_PREFIX}-depmod should be ${TARGET_PREFIX}depmod Apr 30 12:13:19 cause TARGET_PREFIX ends in a hyphen already Apr 30 12:14:04 zecke: did the tinderbox show the failure? Apr 30 12:14:27 * CoreDump|home has a go at the dog-slow populate-volatiles.sh Apr 30 12:14:58 zecke: Unslung tinderbox should be showing failures since 15 to 30 minutes after RP's commit. Apr 30 12:15:53 rwhitby: hmm Apr 30 12:16:00 <--- TINDERBOX Package modutils-cross-2.4.27 failed (FAILURE) Apr 30 12:16:04 but color is green :} Apr 30 12:16:10 did you bake with -k ? Apr 30 12:16:13 Hmm indeed Apr 30 12:16:25 ah, yes, I still have -k turned on. Apr 30 12:16:45 and a loop? Apr 30 12:17:06 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=7&logfile=20060430015625.log&page=1 Apr 30 12:17:11 it checks every 15 minutes, and starts an autobuild if there is not one already running. Apr 30 12:17:22 some how it misses the 'build started' thing Apr 30 12:17:40 could be a cache issue as well :} Apr 30 12:17:53 we build the four distros in order each time the autobuild starts. Apr 30 12:18:36 rwhitby: somehow the 'Build Started' got lost Apr 30 12:18:44 rwhitby: Did module-init-tools-cross get rebuilt? Apr 30 12:19:16 rwhitby: for autobuilding we would need a way to remove failed builds? Apr 30 12:20:02 rwhitby: ${TARGET_PREFIX}-depmod should indeed be ${TARGET_PREFIX}depmod - there should also be a ${KERNEL_MAJOR_VERSION} on the end though... Apr 30 12:20:21 there is Apr 30 12:21:44 RP: module-init-tools seems fine Apr 30 12:21:58 njs: All 328 tests behaved as expected. Apr 30 12:21:59 PASS: ./testsuite Apr 30 12:22:24 RP: what do you think about closing bug #591 ? Apr 30 12:23:31 rwhitby: Right, Thankfully its an easy fix :) Apr 30 12:23:43 RP: I've pushed the fix Apr 30 12:23:58 (so don't you push it too, or we'll have a manual merge on our hands) Apr 30 12:24:23 ok, thanks. CIA must be dead :-/ Apr 30 12:25:24 cyrilRomain: I'm tempted to think that upgrading to bitbake 1.4 fixes the problem Apr 30 12:25:44 cyrilRomain: Were you using bitbake 1.3.x when you saw the problem? Apr 30 12:25:59 RP: I did not tried with bitbake 1.3.x Apr 30 12:26:16 RP: and tempted to think that bitbake 1.4 fixes the problem too Apr 30 12:27:10 RP: I pushed to monotone.nslu2-linux.org - ewi will catch up in 15 minutes or less Apr 30 12:30:20 pH5: x stuff segfaults here Apr 30 12:30:30 pH5: I think it's tslib related Apr 30 12:30:35 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r5911e3e8... 10/packages/motion/motion_3.2.6.bb: motion: created package (release 3.2.6) Apr 30 12:30:42 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rf334192f... 10/conf/distro/slugos-packages.conf: slugos-packages: added motion Apr 30 12:30:46 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rf76ba5a5... 10/classes/insane.bbclass: Apr 30 12:30:46 classes/insane.bbclass: Apr 30 12:30:46 inherit package.bbclass instead of the nonexistant packages one Apr 30 12:30:52 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r5b19ef9b... 10/classes/insane.bbclass: Apr 30 12:30:52 classes/insane.bbclass: Apr 30 12:30:52 Use the PACKAGE_DEPENDS hack to avoid circular Apr 30 12:30:52 dependencies for pax-utils-native Apr 30 12:30:56 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rc1af7d38... 10/packages/console-tools/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Apr 30 12:30:56 packages/console-tools/console-tools_0.3.2: Apr 30 12:30:57 Add a patch from Bero to use fileno instead of doing Apr 30 12:30:59 other manipulation... Apr 30 12:31:01 Apply the patch as well Apr 30 12:31:03 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r030151d3... 10/packages/modutils/modutils-cross_2.4.27.bb: modutils: Fixed incorrect mv statement in modutils_2.4.27.bb (double hyphen). Apr 30 12:31:08 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r994e69ae... 10/packages/gcc/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Apr 30 12:31:11 packages/gcc/gcc 4.0.2: Apr 30 12:31:13 Apply uclibc patches from the uclibc buildroot. All these Apr 30 12:31:14 patches are guarded with #ifdefs and should not effect Apr 30 12:31:16 other configurations. Apr 30 12:31:20 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r1f07404f... 10/conf/bitbake.conf: Apr 30 12:31:22 conf/bitbake.conf: Apr 30 12:31:24 Plain UPDATE, FETCH and RESUME-COMMAND to not have any value. They Apr 30 12:31:26 are used by the BitBake fetchers. Apr 30 12:31:28 e.g. with a broken update_data impl in BitBake cvs used the 'plain' Apr 30 12:31:30 variable instead the override. This change should make things fail Apr 30 12:31:32 faster and more obvious Apr 30 12:31:36 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r0891623e... 10/ (classes/sanity.bbclass conf/bitbake.conf): Apr 30 12:31:38 conf/bitbake.conf: Apr 30 12:31:40 Save a magic cookie in the OE version of bitbake.conf Apr 30 12:31:45 classes/sanity.bbclass: Apr 30 12:31:46 Check the OE cookie for bitbake.conf Apr 30 12:31:57 koen: I just built an image with your coreutils addition, and I still get a segfault when udev starts Apr 30 12:32:17 pH5: it doesn't solve all segfaults, but udevd is running on my image Apr 30 12:32:31 inserting my wifi card works Apr 30 12:33:02 pH5: koen|c700 is online on a zaurus with bootstrap-image + irssi :) Apr 30 12:33:20 zecke: Did you have a chance to look at the issue I mentioned yesterday? Apr 30 12:34:49 JavaScriptCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20060212.tar.gz is still missing from oesource and from /mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/sources. In the latter, the 20060212 tarball was removed in favor of the 20050430 version ... are you about to drop the 20060212 ? Apr 30 12:36:00 myopiate: I know you were looking for NRCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20050430.tar.gz yesterday and the date make me wondering if theses two packages are related ... i.e. if we also should add NRCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20060212.tar.gz in the repository, if any Apr 30 12:38:30 hi Apr 30 12:38:43 koen: cool. before looking at the x stuff I want to get udev running, too. Apr 30 12:44:42 hi hrw Apr 30 12:44:43 someone asked how old Sash is... Apr 30 12:45:07 he was born in September 1977 Apr 30 12:47:50 rwhitby: need your help/advice: I was pushing a change and get a 3way merge on packages/modutils/modutils-cross_2.4.27.bb Apr 30 12:48:03 sorry to insist, but can anyone please add JavaScriptCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20060212.tar.gz to oesource (and NRCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20060212.tar.gz if exist) ? ..just to prevent a build bug report from users.. Apr 30 12:48:13 eFfeM-away: it wasn't automatic? Apr 30 12:48:21 nope Apr 30 12:48:36 cyrilRomain: OZ 3.5.4.x building? Apr 30 12:48:37 and you're pulling from monotone.nslu2-linux.org? Apr 30 12:48:58 hrw: angstrom, and openzaurus-unstable Apr 30 12:49:15 eFfeM: Did you commit the modutils-cross fix? Apr 30 12:49:20 i have r6 in the center meld window, r7 left, r8 right and I am using make push-openembedded so I assume this is monotone.nslu-linux.org Apr 30 12:49:27 RP, no Apr 30 12:49:37 i didn't touch modutils Apr 30 12:49:45 monotone merging sucks sometimes. Apr 30 12:49:56 sorry njs Apr 30 12:50:05 eFfeM: DId you run merge with --lca? Apr 30 12:50:09 RP: cvs tarball stash multientry is "one two three other_mirror" or \n separated? Apr 30 12:50:09 eFfeM: try the --lca flag to monotone merge, whilst in the openembedded dir Apr 30 12:50:25 ok, can I just quit meld? Apr 30 12:50:38 hrw: whitespace separated Apr 30 12:50:41 thx Apr 30 12:51:32 eFfeM: don't know meld. Apr 30 12:51:57 meld is a 3way merge program, I think I can quit it without a problem Apr 30 12:52:12 eFfeM: If you can switch back to the terminal, Ctrl+C should cause monotone to abort (or exit but don't save anything) Apr 30 12:52:49 RP: just did that, wanted to be sure that I did not damage anything Apr 30 12:53:56 --lca merged without problem Apr 30 12:53:57 RP: did you tried 'generic irq way' patches on zaurus? Apr 30 12:54:19 RP: is it safe to always use --lca? Apr 30 12:54:31 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0fea0b8c... 10/packages/udev/ (8 files): udev: Fix init levels. udev could stop but given it has nothing to do, we may as well remove its shutdown entirely. (#803) Apr 30 12:54:38 rwhitby: Yes, I think so Apr 30 12:54:47 hrw: no, not yet Apr 30 12:55:11 hrw: I have a git version of the zaurus kernel I can test on though. I might push it into OE to replace 2.6.15... Apr 30 12:56:13 RP: NOTE: fetch http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/sources/ http://oesources.org/source/currentJavaScriptCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20050430.tar.gz Apr 30 12:56:23 RP: does not look ok... Apr 30 12:56:30 BB>> getvar CVS_TARBALL_STASH Apr 30 12:56:30 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/sources/ http://oesources.org/source/current Apr 30 12:57:33 RP: I use bitbake 1.4.0 Apr 30 12:58:02 hrw: You need latest svn for multple tarball stashes Apr 30 12:58:05 hrw: you need to use bitbake head revision from svn to use multiple tarball stash Apr 30 12:58:15 zecke: Do we port freatures to the branch? Apr 30 12:58:28 ok - so I will do not try this (want to keep 1.4 for oz354x) Apr 30 12:58:31 RP: get an argument that this is a bug ;) Apr 30 12:59:10 zecke: bitbake 1.4.0 fails with my local.conf file with mutiple entries in TARBALL_STASH ;-) Apr 30 12:59:15 zecke: it is feature which would be nice to get Apr 30 12:59:31 hrw: psst, don't use that word Apr 30 12:59:50 RP: so an ISV needs that issue fixed? Apr 30 13:00:15 hrw: I think you mean 1.4.0 is buggy ;-) Apr 30 13:00:16 RP: attach a patch, and push it to the branch Apr 30 13:00:39 RP: hack it then Apr 30 13:01:10 hrw: zecke is in charge of the branch, not me ;-) Apr 30 13:01:29 RP: see above, post the patch, apply it, commit it Apr 30 13:01:37 zecke: ok Apr 30 13:01:41 RP: I will do a bitbake 1.4.2 release then Apr 30 13:01:48 RP: but you got permission ;) Apr 30 13:02:02 zecke: Can we look at that bitbake ncurses problem first? Apr 30 13:02:03 looks like I missed 1.4.1 ;D Apr 30 13:02:11 RP: then we can require it for OE Apr 30 13:02:44 hrw: svn version is 1.4.1 (i want a way to differentiate) Apr 30 13:03:37 RP: sure, in ~30 minutes Apr 30 13:03:37 RP: I have to hack libmudflap first (whatever that is for) Apr 30 13:04:22 zecke: ok. Its a fairly serious issue as we tell people to bitbake nano to test their OE install ;-) Apr 30 13:04:35 good morning folks Apr 30 13:05:11 hi chris144 Apr 30 13:05:24 hi hrw Apr 30 13:07:26 RP, rwhitby, after the merge -lca pushing my changes succeeded without further problems Apr 30 13:07:39 yep Apr 30 13:07:48 I may well change our makefile to always use --lca Apr 30 13:08:01 if it is harmless, yes Apr 30 13:08:24 I'll wait for the work from njs as to whether it is safe to always use. Apr 30 13:08:28 s/work/word/ Apr 30 13:08:32 ok Apr 30 13:17:24 Hi Apr 30 13:17:50 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r8efef2b3... 10/conf/distro/slugos-packages.conf: slugos-packages.conf: added w3cam (this also provides vidcat) Apr 30 13:20:17 gosh I hate autotools Apr 30 13:20:22 Any alsa expert here right now ? Apr 30 13:21:14 Or at least anyone, who has a sounding C7x0 (at least alarm) with one of the last kernels ? Apr 30 13:22:39 uv1: asound.state want? Apr 30 13:23:58 hrw: If you have a sounding c7x0, that'll possibly help. Also some cat /proc/asound/xxx print could be helpful. And a lsmod printout. Any other tools to check why sound does not work ? Apr 30 13:24:35 uv1: http://oe.pastebin.com/690282 Apr 30 13:25:03 uv1: http://oe.pastebin.com/690283 for lsmod Apr 30 13:29:32 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r12: task do_build: completed Apr 30 13:29:50 RP: 1171504 bytes Apr 30 13:31:42 hrw: Thanks so far. Your asound.state does not help, nor can I find a problem regarding lsmod. My modules have different sizes though... Apr 30 13:31:56 Thats possibly because .dev instead of .oz354x Apr 30 13:32:19 But also 354x did not work. So I assume CL860 behaves different ??? Apr 30 13:34:10 RP: c7x0/akita/spitz/tosa configs updated. should I also update collie/poodle? Apr 30 13:34:30 hrw: yes please - I'm trying to keep them all in sync Apr 30 13:34:37 ok Apr 30 13:35:12 RP: ipaq-pxa270+qemuarm too? Apr 30 13:35:38 hrw: yes please Apr 30 13:35:51 8 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 32 deletions(-) Apr 30 13:36:48 will push in minutes Apr 30 13:38:12 pb_: ping Apr 30 13:40:47 someone know how to tell udev to regenerate /dev/ after rules update? Apr 30 13:42:44 udev restart? Apr 30 13:43:10 nope Apr 30 13:43:53 hrw: udevstart ? Apr 30 13:44:26 /etc/init.d/udev restart Apr 30 13:45:22 RP: okay, gcc4 needs more treatment let us talk about bitbake then Apr 30 13:46:37 udevsynthesize is ok Apr 30 13:47:25 RP: pushed to .oz354x Apr 30 13:48:26 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r770601f6... 10/packages/linux/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 30 13:48:26 linux-openzaurus: added some changes which give extra kilobytes for next addons: Apr 30 13:48:26 +CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y Apr 30 13:48:26 -CONFIG_INET_DIAG=y Apr 30 13:48:26 -CONFIG_INET_TCP_DIAG=y Apr 30 13:48:26 +CONFIG_INET_DIAG=m Apr 30 13:48:28 +CONFIG_INET_TCP_DIAG=m Apr 30 13:52:25 RP: argh.. .dev has r14 kernel... I updated r11... Apr 30 13:53:59 hrw: I can try and sync it later :-/ Apr 30 13:54:07 I'll sync them now Apr 30 13:54:20 zecke: I've got to go out now. I mentioned the details of the problems yesterday though Apr 30 13:55:07 next changeset in .oz354x will be not nice for non-Z users of .oz354x Apr 30 13:55:18 RP: and bitbake nano shows the difference? Apr 30 13:55:38 zecke: The problems start with ncurses (included by nano) Apr 30 13:57:28 zecke: Doing bitbake ncurses in a clean tmp with bitbake svn will show the problem (not sure if 1.4 has the problem or not) Apr 30 13:59:25 zecke: Also committed the tarball stash fix to svn branch Apr 30 13:59:31 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r2357bef9... 10/packages/linux/ (399 files in 66 dirs): dropped all non Zaurus kernels Apr 30 13:59:36 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r18b3d78d... 10/packages/linux/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 30 13:59:36 linux-openzaurus: added some changes which give extra kilobytes for next addons: Apr 30 13:59:36 +CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y Apr 30 13:59:36 -CONFIG_INET_DIAG=y Apr 30 13:59:36 -CONFIG_INET_TCP_DIAG=y Apr 30 13:59:36 (and marked in the bugzilla as such) Apr 30 13:59:36 +CONFIG_INET_DIAG=m Apr 30 13:59:40 +CONFIG_INET_TCP_DIAG=m Apr 30 13:59:56 * RP -> afk Apr 30 14:01:15 RP: ah, I hope it is not in bitbake 1.4 Apr 30 14:02:56 hrw: heh. you'll also have to drop any non-OZ distro and machine .confs Apr 30 14:03:41 hrw: otherwise bitbake will select linux-openzaurus for virtual/kernel ... Apr 30 14:04:41 * chouimat is back. Apr 30 14:05:10 morning Apr 30 14:05:50 reenoo: bitbake does not check does distro|machine files exist when someone fire build ;( Apr 30 14:06:33 hrw: nevermind Apr 30 14:07:17 hrw: it's a bit irritating to see people accuse me of forking and still check stuff like that cset in Apr 30 14:07:47 hrw: I'm sure koen would have disabled my key again if I had done anything close to that Apr 30 14:07:55 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r9573d072... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-openzaurus: sync with .dev (tosa patches) Apr 30 14:08:29 reenoo: iirc .dev is a branch which is supposed to be used for !OZ !Familiar usage Apr 30 14:11:14 .dev is for all, .oz354x is OZ. I don't see anything wrong with dropping non-OZ stuff from a OZ-only branch *shrug* Apr 30 14:14:34 CoreDump|home: I don't have a problem with that as long as it's at least done conistently. keeping distro and machine .confs even though the corresponding kernels have been removed doesn't make sense Apr 30 14:17:05 and since you only work with your fam branch/fork/whatever, you care why exactly? Sounds like complaining for comlainings sake to me. Not to mention that hrw is the OZ maintainer so yeah, he got a free hand in that branch anyway Apr 30 14:17:30 reenoo: pushed Apr 30 14:17:59 CoreDump|home: anyway I see that reenoo is right Apr 30 14:18:39 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8da7dfc8... 10/conf/ (78 files in 3 dirs): dropped non Zaurus machines and non OZ distros Apr 30 14:18:43 CoreDump|home: the problem is that whenever you guys break something for anyone using DISTRO=familiar it will immediately be blamed on familiar Apr 30 14:19:49 hrw: thanks Apr 30 14:19:51 reenoo: oz354x is not used for fam builds as you very well know. If $USER compiles the wrong branch that's not really OZ's fault Apr 30 14:20:18 CoreDump|home: who know what users will do.... Apr 30 14:21:29 anyone having enough clue to even try to compile an image should have a clue what branch he is targeting, fam, OZ, for .dev Apr 30 14:22:24 CoreDump|home: users are different Apr 30 14:22:26 EOT Apr 30 14:24:57 CoreDump|home: calm down. relax. I'm not arguing with you. I just wanted to avoid another of Koen's "Haha! Yeah, that error is because familiar sucks!" messages just in case anyone does in fact use DISTRO=familiar with .oz354x. Apr 30 14:25:35 reenoo: hey, did you see the post about 'scanelf' from pax-utils-native Apr 30 14:25:46 reenoo: you can easily scan for rpath usage with it Apr 30 14:25:52 zecke: yah, thanks for the pointer Apr 30 14:25:54 ~lart gcc for autotools usage Apr 30 14:25:55 * ibot squeezes gcc till gcc turns blue like papa smurf for autotools usage Apr 30 14:27:04 zecke: I guess the problem is more that we need to find where exactly the rpath stuff originates from, fix that, and figure out which packages need PR bumped Apr 30 14:27:31 zecke: pb_ and mreimer were working on that the other day Apr 30 14:29:10 reenoo: sadly my insanity.bbclass is not yet finished :} Apr 30 14:56:22 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8b751e58... 10/packages/linux/ep93xx-kernel_2.6.16.bb: ep93xx-kernel 2.6.16: remove framebuffer patches Apr 30 14:57:20 mhh right ... i should port my work on ep93xx 2.4 kernel to 2.6 one ... ... append another post-it ... Apr 30 15:00:36 I have question from 'vim howto' type Apr 30 15:01:49 I have 'some string' in content and want it replaced with result of external command called with this text - how to do it? I can visual mark it and then call external command - but how to add this marked text as arg of command? Apr 30 15:14:22 RP: bitbake 1.4 has the same issue Apr 30 15:43:04 uf.. converted hostap_cs.conf into hostap driver table Apr 30 15:46:55 fsck.. all hashed wrong calculated Apr 30 15:51:40 cya Apr 30 15:52:05 later zecke_ Apr 30 15:55:23 RP: later, I have no clue how that happens, but it will be trivial to fix Apr 30 16:14:27 uhmm... any app to open pdf files ? Apr 30 16:24:43 hrw: about vim: place the cursor over the word and try ":!your_command " Apr 30 16:24:48 question.. I have (huge) patch for hostap. I should send it to hostap & netdev & lkml? Apr 30 16:25:16 hrw: it take the whole word but it is a start Apr 30 16:25:34 nice idea - thx Apr 30 16:25:43 * cyrilRomain still fight to use register instead Apr 30 16:26:34 hrw: look at http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/vimfaq2html3.pl?&cs= in section 20.15 Apr 30 16:27:35 hrw: I tried to give arguments to perldoc as in the doc but it did not work :-/ Apr 30 17:03:26 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r17: task do_patch: completed Apr 30 17:27:13 ~hail kexec/arm Apr 30 17:27:15 * ibot bows down to kexec/arm and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Apr 30 18:33:25 ping zeke Apr 30 18:42:29 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * ra86b5cce... 10/.mt-attrs: .mt-attrs: remove attr for missing file packages/linux/linux-omap-2.6-2.6.9-omap1/omap5912osk/defconfig Apr 30 19:12:15 ~botmail for zecke: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=fd285bb54d8a3e99810090ae88cfe8ed77d1da25 Apr 30 19:13:56 heh Apr 30 19:13:58 about time ;-) Apr 30 19:15:04 indeed Apr 30 19:16:25 I'm looking forward to genirq for arm in 2.6.18 Apr 30 19:16:54 2.6.18? Apr 30 19:17:03 linux 2.6.18 Apr 30 19:17:12 ah.. right - merge after 2.6.17 Apr 30 19:17:51 bleh Apr 30 19:17:59 even catchsegv segfaults on EABI Apr 30 19:18:04 * koen gives up debugging for today Apr 30 19:18:05 hehe Apr 30 19:18:06 'we can merge them into 2.6.17' Apr 30 19:18:23 * hrw rebuilds kernel for c7x0 again Apr 30 19:18:37 biiiig hostap-newcards.patch happened Apr 30 19:18:42 nice Apr 30 19:19:03 updating hashes now.. (send mainline for review with wrong hashes) Apr 30 19:19:10 s/send/sent Apr 30 19:20:41 one hash left.. Apr 30 19:23:25 CoreDump|home: do you think bash should claim /bin/sh? Apr 30 19:24:03 koen: no, for the simple reason that if $USER installs to to SD or CF, that kills the whole system on reboot Apr 30 19:24:04 do we have chsh in oe? Apr 30 19:24:33 koen: can busybox 1.1.2 be build as lib + utils? Apr 30 19:24:39 hrw: no idea Apr 30 19:24:40 * CoreDump|home doesn't even know what chsh does ;) Apr 30 19:24:49 CoreDump|home: CHangeSHell Apr 30 19:24:51 CHangeSHell Apr 30 19:24:56 hmm Apr 30 19:25:12 you coul leave /bin/sh alone and configure /bin/bash as shell for users? Apr 30 19:25:27 yes Apr 30 19:25:28 I need it for #!/bin/sh stuff Apr 30 19:26:17 umm tricky Apr 30 19:29:32 how about rigging bash's preinst to say "I don't like dests, install me to /" Apr 30 19:30:33 that might work but would probably piss of all collie users hehe Apr 30 19:31:13 your script could use a wrapper to select the shell to run it Apr 30 19:31:37 it isn't my script, that's the problem Apr 30 19:31:54 I want to replace parts of busybox with real stuff, but not all parts Apr 30 19:32:28 uf.. finally all hashes fixed Apr 30 19:44:15 muhaha Apr 30 19:44:42 * mhentges managed to make populate-volatiles.sh twice as fast =) Apr 30 19:44:52 well, almost Apr 30 19:44:54 yay! Apr 30 19:47:26 * chouimat is away: BBQ :) Apr 30 19:48:48 mhentges: irdadump need glib-1.2 Apr 30 19:49:23 right, irda is however totally broken on Akita Apr 30 19:50:17 irattach: tcsetattr: Invalid argument? Apr 30 19:50:53 umm, something alone these lines Apr 30 19:51:14 http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/IrDA/IrDA.html is good read Apr 30 19:52:02 it's more a driver thing, really Apr 30 19:52:54 ah Apr 30 19:54:56 one of these days I'll bitch at RP about it =) It's kinda low on my priority lost tho Apr 30 19:55:38 I have ir keyboard.. Apr 30 19:55:55 only SL-Cxx00 is affected Apr 30 19:56:05 (AFAIK) Apr 30 19:58:01 mhentges: beep on altboot start is nice Apr 30 19:58:06 boy, folks who don't use TAB as indention should be shot Apr 30 19:58:30 * hrw use tabstop=4 Apr 30 19:58:31 hrw: =) I missed the damn timeout too many times to count w/o it Apr 30 19:58:40 mhentges: since I noticed that not all my systems have the same tab space I switch to spaces Apr 30 19:59:07 koen: thats editor setting... Apr 30 19:59:15 koen: it's not the TAB as such, but some folks use like 4 or even 2(!!) space indents Apr 30 19:59:27 * hrw used 2spaces on amiga Apr 30 19:59:31 makes me want to kill myself Apr 30 19:59:31 isn't 2 space the gnuj default? Apr 30 19:59:37 640x256 was hard to use... Apr 30 20:01:25 irdadump works... Apr 30 20:01:55 python indenting makes me angry Apr 30 20:02:08 hrw: nice! Apr 30 20:02:17 * koen runs indent on his php code once in a while Apr 30 20:02:31 #join nslu2 Apr 30 20:02:31 well, the guy who wrote populate-volatiles uses a mix of 4 and 2 spaces *cry* Apr 30 20:02:41 that kinda works, if you avoid stuff like ' foo .= blah' Apr 30 20:05:11 hey zecke Apr 30 20:05:59 koen: hehe Apr 30 20:06:06 koen: gcc1 remains supported? Apr 30 20:06:13 *toothache* Apr 30 20:06:19 RP: ping Apr 30 20:06:27 zecke: new fillings? Apr 30 20:06:56 lol -> NEWNAME=`ls -l "${TNAME}" | sed -e 's/^.*-> \(.*\)$/\1/'` Apr 30 20:07:05 koen: caries + holes ;) Apr 30 20:07:10 mhentges: I suspect kergoth, mickeyl or someone from old OZ team Apr 30 20:08:05 pb__: are you around? Apr 30 20:10:49 someone want to nail wifi card to board? Apr 30 20:12:19 pb__: master, I need your blood around Apr 30 20:14:21 zecke: pong Apr 30 20:15:17 RP: both bitbake-1.4 and bitbake trunk have the 'ncurses' problem Apr 30 20:15:49 RP: I think it has to do with self.configuration... Apr 30 20:16:05 zecke: I suspected as much :-/ Apr 30 20:16:13 someone has spare Zaurus charger? Apr 30 20:16:43 hrw: I wish I had :-/ Apr 30 20:16:52 hrw: sadly not Apr 30 20:17:32 RP: same problem? few Z and one charger less then needed? Apr 30 20:17:45 hehe Apr 30 20:17:54 * mhentges knows that problem very well Apr 30 20:17:55 hrw: More than one less Apr 30 20:18:05 RP: zaurus and ipaq chargers are compatible Apr 30 20:18:31 * koen misplaced his Z charger a while ago Apr 30 20:19:08 koen: but getting ipaq charger is also hard.. most of 'ipaq chargers' end with ipaq propertiary conectors Apr 30 20:19:34 koen: I know, it helps :) Apr 30 20:19:43 hrw: pocket loox chargers worked ;) Apr 30 20:19:55 hrw: The charger off the hx2750 will fit the Zaurus Apr 30 20:20:22 RP: the stock hp ones do, but 3rd party mostly use the 22pins connector Apr 30 20:20:40 ~hail kexec again Apr 30 20:20:42 * ibot bows down to kexec again and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Apr 30 20:21:24 koen: Ah, I'm fogetting about that adapter... Apr 30 20:21:47 * RP has too many devices and too little time... Apr 30 20:21:52 hrw: kexec works on ARM? :-) Apr 30 20:22:19 hrw: just saw the patch, wanting to run it on my ixp425... Apr 30 20:22:47 in an ideal world everything would charge of usb Apr 30 20:22:52 My chargers are a bit dangerous. One of the Z ones has the Japanese plug sawn off the back and a UK one on a small flex applied with the help from a hot glue gun :) Apr 30 20:23:04 koen: usb gives a bit to less power... Apr 30 20:23:46 The 770 charger is what I suspect was a prototype which hums and hisses (and is a European plug) Apr 30 20:24:01 nokia chargers has cheap caps Apr 30 20:24:05 have* Apr 30 20:24:27 I should "fix" it... Apr 30 20:24:29 RP: heh.. you british and your bulky plugs... Apr 30 20:25:07 hrw: European ones make me feel nervous - flimsy and no switches :) Apr 30 20:25:15 ;) Apr 30 20:25:49 soon we will get wifi AP in normal british plug Apr 30 20:30:06 The moulded British ones are about the size of earthed European ones... Apr 30 20:32:14 hmm.. probably found charger Apr 30 20:32:22 At least ours work both ways :-) Apr 30 20:33:09 charger for ipaqs with '4mm->device' adapter will work? Apr 30 20:33:32 likewise: That could be classed as a safety hazard ;-) Apr 30 20:33:44 RP: latest rmk trick: set timeout as 0xffff and check Apr 30 20:33:46 hrw: yes Apr 30 20:34:06 so good bye 29^W35 pln, welcome charge Apr 30 20:34:07 r Apr 30 20:34:09 hrw: Weren't we doing that ages ago? Apr 30 20:34:47 RP: I know, there is measuring equipment around that needs the polarity OK, and well, you are never really sure here. Apr 30 20:34:48 wb zecke Apr 30 20:34:52 RP: I got card working then - now it does not work Apr 30 20:36:01 ~lart network issues Apr 30 20:36:01 * ibot teaches network issues the basics, including how to RTM Apr 30 20:36:02 hrw: Strange :-/ Apr 30 20:37:01 koen: alchemy was mips right? Apr 30 20:37:09 yes Apr 30 20:37:42 RP: with max timeout it works Apr 30 20:40:27 cyrilRomain: ping Apr 30 20:40:30 cyrilRomain: local.conf Apr 30 20:40:37 cyrilRomain: INHERIT += "tinderclient" Apr 30 20:40:47 cyrilRomain: each package/task is reported seperately Apr 30 20:40:52 cyrilRomain: sending the log ATM Apr 30 20:41:08 hrw: Sounds like a PXA controller issue :-/ Apr 30 20:41:26 what is the url for the tinderbox? Apr 30 20:41:40 Crofton: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox Apr 30 20:41:47 Crofton: Administrate -> then view a tree Apr 30 20:42:06 Crofton: there is some breakage with the tinderclient though :} Apr 30 20:42:39 RP: yep Apr 30 20:43:11 What is Angstrom Apr 30 20:43:56 ~angstrom Apr 30 20:43:59 angstrom is, like, the next evolutionary step in the embedded linux world formed by the people responsible for the OpenZaurus, OpenSimpad and Familiar distributions Apr 30 20:47:47 I guess we can remove Familiar from that :) Apr 30 20:49:13 can/should/ Apr 30 20:50:07 hmm.. Familiar team added some stuff into OE Apr 30 20:50:16 isn't it? Apr 30 20:51:20 mickey|weekend: ping Apr 30 20:51:45 hrw: would you like to see the current survey design as well? Apr 30 20:53:20 zecke: pong Apr 30 20:53:21 zecke: url Apr 30 20:53:33 zecke:l thanks Apr 30 20:53:34 cyrilRomain: I try to avoid writing mails Apr 30 20:53:45 zecke: why ? Apr 30 20:54:15 cyrilRomain: being lazy :) Apr 30 20:54:26 cyrilRomain: we have bittest and tinderclient in OE Apr 30 20:54:33 zecke: or atleast survey ID Apr 30 20:54:42 cyrilRomain: bittest can run tests like, is source still available Apr 30 20:54:43 hrw: 6 Apr 30 20:54:59 cyrilRomain: do the patches still apply, are there other issues Apr 30 20:55:17 cyrilRomain: and tinderclients should do builds from scratch Apr 30 20:55:31 zecke: yoah ! excellent Apr 30 20:55:36 zecke: looks nice from first look Apr 30 20:55:40 cyrilRomain: and clobbered builds Apr 30 20:56:03 cyrilRomain: there are issues involved though, first is collecting data properly Apr 30 20:56:08 cyrilRomain: second is presenting them Apr 30 20:56:27 cyrilRomain: If you know insane people (perl hackers) which can help send them to me Apr 30 20:56:46 zecke: didn't know that OSX is Linux distro ;) Apr 30 20:57:16 thought OSX was based on BSD Apr 30 20:57:25 hrw: hehe Apr 30 20:57:26 zecke: 1st technical need rephrase Apr 30 20:57:40 hrw: ignorant pdaYrom user ;) Apr 30 20:58:06 zecke: if I have 240M ram which option I have to choose? 1,2,3 fit... Apr 30 20:58:12 hrw: query me please :) Apr 30 20:58:18 hrw: want to avoid a bias Apr 30 20:58:30 oka Apr 30 20:58:38 hrw: if you are not registered I can set unfiltered access on Apr 30 20:58:56 zecke: well, I'm not a perl hacker, but insane enough :) So if i can help ... Apr 30 20:59:15 cyrilRomain: grab a copy of tinderbox3 from f.d.o Apr 30 21:00:13 zecke: hmm which means ? Apr 30 21:00:34 cyrilRomain: in what way do you want to help? Apr 30 21:00:56 zecke: I doubt cyrilRomain knows what f.d.o is Apr 30 21:01:17 zecke: well, i'm not an OE expert, so for the time being, let's start with easy task for me :) Apr 30 21:01:54 zecke: I think i can feed wiki page, do little script and follow your instructions to build Apr 30 21:02:21 zecke: when I'll feel more confortable, I could go deeper in code Apr 30 21:02:37 cyrilRomain: currently we have 'bittests', bitbake-tests regression Apr 30 21:02:44 cyrilRomain: currently we would need a script Apr 30 21:03:00 to fetch svn bitbake (branches, trunk), runs the regression tests Apr 30 21:03:09 and reports the findings to the tinderbox Apr 30 21:03:17 cyrilRomain: and f.d.o is freedesktop.org Apr 30 21:03:32 zecke: ah thx, sound more familiar to me :) Apr 30 21:03:48 and hh.org is not hh.org but handhelds.org Apr 30 21:03:59 cyrilRomain: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/sysadmin/tinderclient/ Apr 30 21:04:02 zecke: apart from the crappy logo the survey looks pretty good Apr 30 21:04:18 koen: hehe, can we survive with this logo? Apr 30 21:04:58 zecke: I really wouldn't use it Apr 30 21:05:00 zecke: I could even do a logo, but it is worth ? Apr 30 21:05:13 cyrilRomain: get me a transparent OE logo Apr 30 21:05:36 zecke: http://oe.handhelds.org/images/logo.png ? Apr 30 21:06:01 cyrilRomain: height="142" width="215" Apr 30 21:06:06 koen: this is the one :} Apr 30 21:07:04 zecke: you use http://survey.openembedded.org/templates/basic/logo.gif Apr 30 21:07:40 koen: osst Apr 30 21:07:43 psst Apr 30 21:07:52 koen: gimp did that ;) Apr 30 21:08:14 zecke: iirc we have OE logo in svg Apr 30 21:08:25 contrib/ Apr 30 21:08:32 hrw: my inkscape on OSX is busted, well my fink is busted :} Apr 30 21:08:47 215x142? Apr 30 21:08:56 what size you want? :) Apr 30 21:09:11 let me try a shortcut first ;) Apr 30 21:09:58 better? Apr 30 21:10:03 (refresh site) Apr 30 21:10:08 yes Apr 30 21:10:30 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/oe.png <- freshly inkscaped Apr 30 21:10:31 much better Apr 30 21:11:20 I will leave it like that then Apr 30 21:21:04 ooh, xcb Apr 30 21:22:20 I bought new leather wallet today - have to get used to it... Apr 30 21:22:48 koen: fix libxsettings first, or was gremlins problem fixed? Apr 30 21:23:55 zecke: I added 0.17 last week to .dev Apr 30 21:23:59 (libxsettings) Apr 30 21:24:07 koen: it included -I/usr/include for him Apr 30 21:25:01 # libxt is required to stop configure breaking builds by Apr 30 21:25:01 # including system paths to find it if it isn't present. Apr 30 21:25:10 that's what libxsettings-client says Apr 30 21:25:40 zecke: anyway, you need to talk to pb_ or florian_kc about that Apr 30 21:26:39 * koen spots mickeyl outside his usual mailinglists Apr 30 21:27:05 I added that warning to libxsettings... Apr 30 21:27:15 It used to break poky builds a lot... Apr 30 21:28:32 RP: e.g. I'm considering using the poky idea for my projects Apr 30 21:28:52 RP: e.g. create an oe-toolchain, oe-base-libs, oe-x11, oe-opie Apr 30 21:28:58 zecke: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas Apr 30 21:29:01 derivate with a limited amount of bb files Apr 30 21:29:35 zecke: didn't we talk about something like that a while ago? Apr 30 21:29:35 zecke: I suggest good flame proof overalls ;-) Apr 30 21:30:21 RP: flame? Apr 30 21:31:08 oh I'm patching gcc's configure script by hand :} Apr 30 21:31:11 zecke: mickeyl and I talked about seperating between 'used and tested' and 'bitrotted, but might work' Apr 30 21:31:31 koen: yeah exactly ;) Apr 30 21:31:40 koen: e.g. oe-toolchain Apr 30 21:31:53 koen: would containt stuff we define as toolchain, with stuff we know to compile Apr 30 21:32:01 *cough* crosstool *cough* Apr 30 21:32:06 koen: create a dialog/zenity script around to configure ;) Apr 30 21:32:19 that'd be nice Apr 30 21:32:20 koen:crosstool has zenity support? Apr 30 21:32:36 I added a task-sdk-bare target to OE that does something like that Apr 30 21:33:18 koen: there is no reasong Debian folks can't use OE to create an EABI ARM toolchain Apr 30 21:35:38 heh Apr 30 21:35:49 what is funny about that? Apr 30 21:35:49 I teased the debian folk with an eabi screenshot today :) Apr 30 21:35:57 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/c700-eabi.png Apr 30 21:36:27 hehe Apr 30 21:37:03 koen: the biggest issue for Debian is to settle on a name for EABI?! Apr 30 21:37:32 * koen doesn not make comments on that Apr 30 21:38:04 zecke: they do have someone payed by arm (or csl, can't remember) to make eabi work Apr 30 21:38:18 koen: you are contradicting yourself? Apr 30 21:38:28 koen: not maing a comment == self censoring != koen Apr 30 21:38:53 ;) Apr 30 21:39:48 rwhitby: --lca is theoretically a bit unsafe in some cases Apr 30 21:39:52 zecke: If update_data were called on configuraton.data, would that collapse it internally such that it broke _prepend at a later date? Apr 30 21:40:15 RP: it depends ;) Apr 30 21:40:17 rwhitby: however, experience has shown that pretty much all the merge strategies monotone <0.26 knows about are a bit unsafe in some percentage of cases, so... Apr 30 21:40:45 * koen hugs *-merge Apr 30 21:48:18 RP: _append and _prepend can get removed after applying them Apr 30 21:48:18 njs: thx - I will leave it as is until 0.26 then, and just advise people with merge problems to try --lca manually Apr 30 21:48:43 zecke: Does update_data apply them? Apr 30 21:48:48 RP: yes Apr 30 21:48:57 RP: are you debugging ATM? Apr 30 21:49:06 RP: I'm restarting debugging now as well Apr 30 21:49:49 zecke: My suspicion is that we can update_data in lots of places and destroy the data in configuration.data Apr 30 21:49:58 Yes, I've been debugging... Apr 30 21:50:33 *toothache* Apr 30 21:55:43 RP: e.g. you should not set TOPDIR in load_bbfile Apr 30 21:56:26 zecke: The old code did :-/ Apr 30 21:56:39 zecke: but was the old code borken? Apr 30 21:57:01 RP: parse.init should do it Apr 30 21:57:20 RP: you should do the copy first Apr 30 21:58:19 zecke: I agree and this needs tidying up. I'm not sure its the cause of the prepend problem Apr 30 21:59:40 CoreDump|home: that guy on #oz is funny ;) Apr 30 21:59:59 yep heh Apr 30 21:59:59 hrw: I'm having a laugh as well :) Apr 30 22:00:10 hrw: Those are Pavel's collie images? Apr 30 22:00:16 RP: quick check: load the configuration everytime Apr 30 22:00:29 RP: my images for Pavel Apr 30 22:01:04 hrw: right. He's in for disappointment... Apr 30 22:01:13 lol, http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19136 (that is funny) Apr 30 22:01:43 zecke: sashisms? Apr 30 22:01:57 hrw: OE is a forbidden word in OE forums :} Apr 30 22:02:00 funny Apr 30 22:02:45 "You stole our name for bitbake" ? Apr 30 22:03:39 * koen again makes no comment on that Apr 30 22:03:57 hehe Apr 30 22:04:26 ~summon rmk Apr 30 22:04:27 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing rmk's coordinates Apr 30 22:04:56 ibot: rmk coordinates I already have - give me mail from him Apr 30 22:05:13 koen: hehe, wtf is wrong with you? Apr 30 22:05:13 zecke: did you notice googlemaps gained hires imagery for .de? Apr 30 22:05:26 zecke: lots of pie today :) Apr 30 22:05:26 koen: QtE uses framebuffer directly? Apr 30 22:05:44 zecke: iirc, yes qt/e uses fb directly Apr 30 22:05:48 koen: IMHO GPE should switch to use QtE Apr 30 22:05:59 koen: QtE, QtE, QtE ;) Apr 30 22:06:00 koen: it gained cityplans for most of europe finally Apr 30 22:06:17 zecke: patches welcome :) Apr 30 22:06:40 koen: stop replying to these valium spam posts Apr 30 22:06:43 hrw: I'm living 5 kilometers to far to the west Apr 30 22:07:09 koen: PoznaƄ is not covered with hires Apr 30 22:07:20 (7 kilometers from the german border) Apr 30 22:07:36 hires maps should have building numbers on top Apr 30 22:08:14 zecke: Have you noticed load_bbfile does data.setVar('TOPDIR', topdir, cooker.configuration) Apr 30 22:08:26 zecke: not cooker.configuration.data :-/ Apr 30 22:08:28 koen: http://tinyurl.com/go6q2 Apr 30 22:08:40 RP: no :} Apr 30 22:08:59 RP: I only found that code suspiciouse for other reasons Apr 30 22:09:28 zecke: That suggests that line does nothing... Apr 30 22:10:45 right :) Apr 30 22:11:35 RP: load_bbfile should get data and not cooker ;) Apr 30 22:12:50 hrw: http://tinyurl.com/qhm72 Apr 30 22:13:05 hrw: on the right hi-res, but not where my house is Apr 30 22:13:32 koen: http://tinyurl.com/gc437 - that long black line is building where I'm Apr 30 22:14:15 zecke: I patched collect_bbfiles to save configuration data and use it each time for load_bbfile. Despite using the same configuration.data, we see the dependency difference... Apr 30 22:15:45 koen: http://maps.google.com/?ll=52.208448,6.903191&spn=0.08184,0.232086&t=h&om=1 Apr 30 22:15:54 koen: my old school, and Al lives in Huesung 10 Apr 30 22:17:39 Me: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&om=1&hl=en&spn=0.002988,0.012574&ll=55.033028,-1.466814&t=h Apr 30 22:17:41 koen: http://maps.google.com/?ll=52.208448,6.903191&spn=0.08184,0.232086&t=h&om=1 <- my house in the center Apr 30 22:18:16 RP: Appletree Gardens, hmm Apr 30 22:18:18 zecke: use the 'link to this page' link Apr 30 22:18:39 koen: okay :) next time Apr 30 22:18:45 'burnt houses road' Apr 30 22:18:48 hey gerwinin Apr 30 22:18:54 hey Koen Apr 30 22:19:00 hey zecke Apr 30 22:19:28 zecke: Arcot Avenue is better place to look Apr 30 22:19:34 Koen : I wrote a videoconference client and server but it is making use of Java media framework Apr 30 22:19:39 koen: That name is for the reason it describes going back a lot of years :) Apr 30 22:19:57 Koen : I want to add it to oe but I keep on having errors with adding in java Apr 30 22:20:17 Koen : Any hint for me where to start ? Apr 30 22:21:04 eeks! java! Apr 30 22:21:25 gerwinin: JMF sucks! Apr 30 22:21:38 gerwinin: We created a VoIP client this winter with it.. Apr 30 22:21:45 gerwinin: JMF is anything but portable :} Apr 30 22:21:51 Zecke: I know but there is no other lib available Apr 30 22:22:01 gerwinin: gstreamer for java Apr 30 22:22:14 zecke: mmm let me have a look Apr 30 22:22:53 zecke: Was it a school project ? Apr 30 22:23:17 gerwinin: yes, a bad school project Apr 30 22:23:29 gerwinin: we basicly used JMF to get RTP for free Apr 30 22:23:37 gerwinin: ah my gstreamer java information was wrong Apr 30 22:23:41 gerwinin: it is only for playback Apr 30 22:23:49 gerwinin: http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=applet Apr 30 22:25:11 zecke: I will create a second client Apr 30 22:25:52 zecke: the rtp streams is the easy part of the job , the more difficult thing for me was the signaling Apr 30 22:26:26 rmk not sleep - just got mail Apr 30 22:26:33 zecke: I created this because there were only commercial apps for conferencing , and the costed arround 3000 euro Apr 30 22:27:24 during next week I should get serial cable so rmk will do next attempt (need more detailed log) Apr 30 22:28:54 Zecke: this sip library in java is full with errors Apr 30 22:29:59 RP: okay, I changed loadDataFull to have a fresh config Apr 30 22:30:02 RP: and it is working Apr 30 22:31:44 zecke: Hmm. Why didn't that work for me :-/ Apr 30 22:32:02 zecke: Do you have a patch I can look at? Apr 30 22:33:01 RP: http://oe.pastebin.com/691252 Apr 30 22:34:33 I should finally create a data 'diff' tool Apr 30 22:36:24 zecke: I changed my copy to a deepcopy and it worked as well Apr 30 22:36:39 deepcopy of what? Apr 30 22:36:50 configuration.data? Apr 30 22:37:02 self.configuration.data at the start of collect_bbfiles Apr 30 22:37:44 So something we do to configuration.data breaks it at some point,,, Apr 30 22:40:11 zecke: We need to rewrite this section of code :) Apr 30 22:41:19 probably save the base configuration and deepcopy it when any thing else wants to use it... Apr 30 22:41:34 anyhow, my eyes are tired. Time for bed... Apr 30 22:41:48 good night all Apr 30 22:42:08 http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33930 ;) Apr 30 22:42:12 RP: I'm going to bed as well Apr 30 22:42:23 RP: well, createCopy is enough, no need to deepcopy Apr 30 22:42:38 zecke: true :) Apr 30 22:42:46 I might not be around much tomorrow but we'll see... Apr 30 22:43:02 RP: have a holiday today as well? Apr 30 22:43:12 zecke: At least we know roughtly where the problem is... Apr 30 22:43:20 bitbake ;) Apr 30 22:43:21 zecke: tomorrow is a public holiday, yes Apr 30 22:43:27 zecke: ;-) Apr 30 22:43:37 we stole the name OE for bitbake Apr 30 22:43:40 I go to work at 6.5.8 Apr 30 22:43:43 whatever this means Apr 30 22:43:48 hi sash ;) Apr 30 22:44:11 1 may is free, 3 may is free (national) - rest is vacations Apr 30 22:44:19 bitbake is so similar to OE. They both have an e in I guess... Apr 30 22:44:40 'night all Apr 30 22:45:03 night RP Apr 30 22:45:12 they both END with 'e' ;) Apr 30 22:48:55 zecke: Did you still need help on the pr front ? Apr 30 22:49:04 gerwinin: sure! Apr 30 22:49:17 gerwinin: I would prefer to move myself to QA :) Apr 30 22:50:02 zecke: Can you make a list for me what still needs to be done so I can plan it in Apr 30 22:51:17 sure, not now though :) Apr 30 22:51:48 zecke: take your time :) Apr 30 22:52:04 zecke: is qtvision included in oe ? Apr 30 22:53:00 not that I know of Apr 30 22:53:07 RP: I think I know the issue :} Apr 30 22:55:27 we need website with CMS other then 'ssh handhelds.org;vi' Apr 30 22:58:52 RP: hmm, no I don't know ;) Apr 30 23:05:00 cya Apr 30 23:05:31 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rbeca23d1... 10/packages/gcc/ (gcc-4.0.2/zecke-host-cpp-ac-hack.patch gcc_4.0.2.bb): Apr 30 23:05:31 packages/gcc/gcc-4.0.2: Apr 30 23:05:31 HACK to workaround an issue in using gcc -E as cpp for the Apr 30 23:05:31 cross compiler for libmudflap, libstdc++ and other libs. Apr 30 23:05:31 AC_CHECK_HEADERS will think it can use host headers, we simply Apr 30 23:05:33 hack around this for now Apr 30 23:08:25 * CoreDump|home thinks OZ could use parallel launching of certain init scripts Apr 30 23:08:47 initng for OZ Apr 30 23:09:09 something like that yeah Apr 30 23:09:35 * CoreDump|home will have a look at /e/init.d/rc tomorrow... Apr 30 23:09:55 hmm.. I will run fresh 3.5.4.1-rc2 build and go sleep Apr 30 23:10:25 would like to try one of those images here Apr 30 23:10:38 my C3000 does not resume/suspend properly Apr 30 23:11:06 jnc: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/rc1/images/spitz/ - grab gpe one (opie is fscked) Apr 30 23:11:30 hrw: okay Apr 30 23:11:50 i am also doing a 'time'ing of mtn 0.26 pull :) Apr 30 23:12:06 so far it is going quickly Apr 30 23:12:18 mtn 0.26 is fast Apr 30 23:12:44 i notice it gets hung up when i have bittorrent running Apr 30 23:13:00 i pause my bt torrent, and mtn does not resume. i had to start it over again Apr 30 23:14:59 hrw: is this an eabi build? Apr 30 23:15:30 (i don't suppose it would be) Apr 30 23:15:39 jnc: no - oz is softfloat abi Apr 30 23:22:10 n8 all Apr 30 23:24:39 ewi-OZ-3.5.4.1-rc2 in tinderbox is my build Apr 30 23:30:24 cu during day Apr 30 23:46:32 * jnc "flashes" May 01 00:23:13 gah May 01 00:23:20 hrw's image does not suspend/resume properly May 01 00:23:34 how do i disable suspend? May 01 00:53:51 what is that noise altboot makes May 01 00:54:01 it's like ... star trek communicator noise May 01 01:19:39 holy crap, reboot works May 01 01:19:42 RP: thank you May 01 02:12:11 * chouimat is back. May 01 02:21:01 jnc: he did that a while ago May 01 02:21:54 it's awesome, i'm so happy May 01 02:22:28 i can just work around the suspend/resume being broken interim May 01 02:22:30 :) May 01 02:22:52 a few scripts, it will be simple to make my device power up, and then when i am done, to shutdown May 01 02:23:42 what to do with a USB2.0 <-> ethernet adapter, it does not have open source linux drivers May 01 02:24:50 jnc: It doesn't conform to the CDC Ethernet spec? May 01 02:25:25 NAbyss: i'm not sure. it doesn't even have much info in the lsusb output May 01 02:25:35 most devices at least have a description May 01 02:25:56 Hi, folks. Anyone home? May 01 02:26:04 http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3733 May 01 02:26:23 Question about altboot. How can I tell if I'm running from root or from the loop-image on my SD card? May 01 02:26:48 jnc: Can you pastebin a lsusb -v for it? May 01 02:26:58 NAbyss: sure, one sec May 01 02:28:43 Most usb ethernet controllers I've seen have the standard endpoint for it, but just aren't listed with the right usbid in the kernel src May 01 02:28:54 NAbyss: http://oe.pastebin.com/691568 May 01 02:30:04 Ah, shit. Looks like it's definitely proprietary May 01 02:30:10 yeah May 01 02:30:16 who could i donate it to? May 01 02:30:23 i.e. to encourage support May 01 02:30:39 i'm all about that lately, happy to sponsor hardware if people will make it work in linux May 01 02:30:59 Hm, not sure... email lkml and see if there's an effort for that? May 01 02:32:26 i think my first email to lkml about winmodems is still preserved (and likely will be for all eternity) in google search May 01 02:32:35 when i was hrm, 11 or 12 years old May 01 02:32:57 it's been a while. May 01 02:34:10 Ja... undocumented hardware is a pain. May 01 02:35:33 Tell me about it. I can't find a kernel module for this tricorder anywhere. May 01 02:36:14 is that a star trek joke May 01 02:36:25 or such a device as "tricorder" exists? May 01 02:36:30 heh May 01 02:36:35 StarKruzr: Try netbsd.. it runs on anything. May 01 02:36:40 That would be nice. Apparently it was a bad joke ;) May 01 02:36:57 who knows May 01 02:37:04 i wooted a breadmaker for my mother May 01 02:37:13 it has a UPC barcode reader May 01 02:37:26 you might even say that the breadmaker has a tricorder May 01 02:38:05 for purposes of figuring out what kind of bread it's making, or something? May 01 02:38:15 apparently May 01 02:38:47 the hint was that you can bring home a package of bread dough mix ingredients, scan the upc code from your packaging, and the breadmaker would configure itself May 01 02:39:00 that is seriously cool. and lazy. May 01 02:39:20 it also reportedly had ethernet connectivity May 01 02:39:31 i'm not so sure that it does May 01 02:39:43 I want that cassette tape drive that was an April Fool's joke on ThinkGeek May 01 02:39:50 hah May 01 02:40:02 and the USB easy bake oven :D May 01 02:40:20 you are aware of the bar code coffee mug test underway in seattle? May 01 02:40:27 negative? May 01 02:40:38 instead of ordering you scan the bar code on your mug May 01 02:40:54 i don't understand May 01 02:40:57 or the "intelligent" refridgerators May 01 02:40:59 that owns May 01 02:41:03 people like the same sort of coffe every day? May 01 02:41:09 jnc: I do May 01 02:41:15 which you scan every barcode that goes in or out of the fridge May 01 02:41:18 i'm not a coffe drinker myself May 01 02:41:34 and it will alert you to reorder or remove soemthing as it exipers May 01 02:41:40 also, does anyone know the answer to my altboot question? May 01 02:41:47 expires* May 01 02:42:24 so a breadmaker with a barcode scanner does not sound that unreasonable, it could program the bread type settings for you May 01 02:42:34 ala punchcard style May 01 02:43:01 welcome to the age of lazyness May 01 02:43:15 where its "too hard" to press buttons May 01 02:45:49 * StarKruzr 86s the loopfiles May 01 02:45:58 http://www.saltoninc.com/beyond/homeapp.html <- btw a network linked bread maker May 01 02:46:10 that downloads it's recipies May 01 02:47:38 StarKruzr: in console try the commands "mount" and "cat /proc/mounts" May 01 02:48:00 the second one might be more accurate May 01 02:48:42 emte: that's the one i wooted May 01 02:48:55 ah May 01 02:49:22 time for some integration by tables May 01 02:49:55 it requires a bunch of crap to connect to the internet for more recepies: ($1799) control center, ($60 each) 900mhz wireless cards, ($75) pcmcia ethernet card May 01 02:50:15 but whatever, i will probably end up hacking it for wired ethernet straight up May 01 02:50:26 or connect it via serial to an wrt54g May 01 02:50:27 :) May 01 02:59:02 punk-ass: what am I looking for? wouldn't mmcda1 be mounted anyway? May 01 03:02:32 StarKruzr: look for what is mounted "on" / May 01 03:02:45 or you can use http://oe.pastebin.com and paste it there May 01 03:03:08 /dev/root :/ May 01 03:03:59 that was /proc/mounts? May 01 03:04:05 try looking with mount first May 01 03:04:07 this time I went with installing an actual filesystem instead of a loop-image May 01 03:04:33 both say basically the same thing. May 01 03:04:38 just formatted a little differently. May 01 03:05:28 /dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw) May 01 03:05:33 as opposed to May 01 03:06:19 ok well /dev/mtdblock4 is internal flash May 01 03:06:27 :/ May 01 03:09:19 if I tell altboot to boot from sd, it tosses up a bunch of error msgs May 01 03:12:01 are you using ext2 on your sd? May 01 03:12:15 vfat. May 01 03:21:00 StarKruzr: that's why... May 01 03:21:08 StarKruzr: use ext2, otherwise links don't work May 01 03:21:08 ? May 01 03:21:13 well May 01 03:21:15 when it boots May 01 03:21:16 this happens May 01 03:21:20 don't May 01 03:21:29 don't paste something huge in here May 01 03:21:32 use pastebin May 01 03:21:34 not gonna May 01 03:21:38 k May 01 03:22:32 he is using a loop image though May 01 03:22:37 not anymore I'm not May 01 03:22:39 I was May 01 03:22:44 oh May 01 03:24:00 basically, it says May 01 03:24:29 "Note: No boot-images found in [/media/card/boot-images] May 01 03:24:44 then a bunch of "384: something: not found May 01 03:24:50 then it hangs. May 01 03:57:44 anyone still here? :/ May 01 03:58:04 how can I use ext2 on my SD card when apparently altboot can't mount an ext2 partition? May 01 04:01:21 good question May 01 04:03:23 can it? May 01 04:03:30 and I'm just not doing something right? May 01 04:04:12 I mkfsed on it before, moved my image tarball to it, and when I told altboot to install from that tarball it was all like "OMG CAN'T MOUNT" May 01 04:07:27 i'm not sure May 01 04:11:09 how to respond to OMG CAN'T MOUNT May 01 04:11:31 that's an error i have never before seen, at least that i can remember seing May 01 04:11:35 seeing even May 01 04:52:17 well May 01 04:52:25 now after my third try, everything seems to be working. May 01 04:52:39 apparently it doesn't need ext2 to make links. May 01 05:14:48 StarKruzr: you can link *to* a file on FAT, but you can't create a link *on* FAT May 01 06:00:08 so I'm discovering, Justin. May 01 06:00:27 we're about to find out if altboot can tolerate ext2 or not. May 01 06:03:56 hey eumel. May 01 06:04:07 hi May 01 06:04:17 do you happen to know if altboot supports ext2? May 01 06:04:33 in other words, booting from an SD card formatted with ext2? May 01 06:04:52 I think so. But actually, I never used it. There's an altboot howto somewhere. May 01 06:05:21 documentation is awful. May 01 06:05:25 I mean, truly, truly awful. May 01 06:05:49 the FAQ is miserable. May 01 06:06:06 http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/altboot.shtml May 01 06:07:02 StarKruzr: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/the-altboot-faq/ May 01 06:07:02 see, the problem is that people have stopped bothering to write docs for collies. May 01 06:07:14 yes, I've seen both of them. May 01 06:07:20 they're seriously lacking. May 01 06:07:50 you've never used the loop-image method? May 01 06:08:02 The point is that collie has no 2.6 kernel (and probably will never have). May 01 06:08:18 * StarKruzr is on an MMC card and thus cares not about the SD driver May 01 06:08:29 but, I do understand that. May 01 06:09:51 my question is, why would you ever want to make a loop-image larger than 30 mb or so, when all of the changes you write get written to *other* parts of the card? May 01 06:10:48 StarKruzr: you might ask at #openzaurus but I guess at the moment nobody is there that can help you. May 01 06:11:13 no one's around, true. May 01 06:11:23 no one's been around since at least 9PM EST, US. May 01 06:13:12 Well, usually there are some capable European guys arounds, but today is public holiday in Germany and other countries. May 01 06:13:18 yes. May 01 06:13:26 And it's quite early, too .. May 01 06:13:27 believe today is a British bank holiday. May 01 06:14:08 I'm thinking of re-writing the Collie install guide on the Wiki, as it is sorely lacking. May 01 06:14:55 I think this would be welcome. May 01 06:15:21 yes, please do May 01 06:15:40 that'll come tuesday after I meet with my advisor :) May 01 06:16:29 do any of you have Collies? May 01 06:17:08 Yes, I do. But I rarely use it. Lack of time .. May 01 06:17:10 I am curious because I want to know if any of you have also seen the "shadow" in the upper right hand corner of the screen May 01 06:17:27 Can't remember. May 01 06:17:31 k. May 01 06:19:11 is Package Manager still a bit insane? May 01 06:19:20 i.e. it doesn't really work correctly? May 01 06:20:23 Don't know. But anyway, this discussion rather belongs to #openzaurus than to #oe May 01 06:21:20 I ask out of curiosity regarding who's developing it (or if anyone's developing it). May 01 06:21:34 I think it's been essentially unchanged since 3.5.3. May 01 06:22:09 You're free to support us ;-) May 01 06:22:18 * StarKruzr nods May 01 06:22:33 Must developers changed to successors of collie May 01 06:22:42 well, of course May 01 06:22:52 but Package Manager is on every platform May 01 06:23:18 WPA support really needs to be written into GPE :/ May 01 06:23:46 Yes. PM is probably a bit buggy when installing multiple packages at the same time. May 01 06:59:34 good morning all May 01 07:00:12 morning May 01 07:27:14 *yawn* May 01 07:27:16 morning guys May 01 07:28:15 morning May 01 07:33:23 hi all May 01 07:33:48 what is the monotone version currently supported? May 01 07:34:04 hanjo: monotone-0.25 May 01 07:34:44 hanjo: there is also a monotone-0.26 server but it is highly recommended to stick with monotone-0.25 May 01 07:35:08 hanjo: at least for the time being. May 01 07:35:34 cyrilRomain: thanks. For when is the switch-over planned? May 01 07:36:03 hanjo: dunno. OE devs are trying monotone-0.26. May 01 07:36:33 hanjo: maybe in some weeks if they do not encounter major problems using it .... (?) May 01 07:37:17 atm. i'm leaning towards waiting for Familiar Linux 0.8.4 to be released to make them not slow down the release process by having to do a db update May 01 07:37:49 I see May 01 07:38:06 which - I hope - happens in few weeks May 01 07:38:59 thanks for the info May 01 07:39:09 np May 01 07:39:36 It would've been on the OE homepage, but it's a delicate subject where we don't all agree yet.... :) May 01 07:40:08 * mickeyl kicks sip4 May 01 07:40:14 does anyone know a workaround for the hostap bug? May 01 07:40:26 which particular hostap bug are you talking about? May 01 07:40:34 seen here: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/04/12/problem-with-wifi-card/ May 01 07:41:26 hmm, i'd say downgrade the package May 01 07:41:41 morning May 01 07:41:41 hey XorA May 01 07:43:51 how do I do that? May 01 07:44:31 ipkg install --force-downgrade May 01 07:44:34 or so May 01 07:44:45 hi hufnus, morning rwhitby May 01 07:47:48 so how did the BSP go after I left then? May 01 07:48:14 okay, but I have no way of knowing what the old version was, only what the new version is. May 01 07:48:15 * mickeyl doesn't know... was on a church weekend from thursday to sunday May 01 07:48:36 StarKruzr: you could look into the feed that came with the distro May 01 07:48:38 * XorA had to pay attention to the wife May 01 07:49:29 * mickeyl struggling with adding PyQt4 to OE May 01 07:51:48 PyQt4 to OE ! what a great idea :) May 01 07:52:04 yeah, they just release the beta yesterday May 01 07:52:24 now that we have qt4 in a working state, it shouldn't be hard to add pyqt4 May 01 07:52:49 but is pyqt4 stable too ? May 01 07:53:04 and are all the API wrapped ? May 01 07:53:11 according to the author, only docs are missing May 01 07:53:22 Well great :) May 01 07:54:02 Do you add PyQt4 as is or do you strip some part ? May 01 07:54:26 BTW with bitbake is it possible to strip some package part, like USE_FLAG in Gentoo ? May 01 07:54:41 I will add it completely but package it fine granular May 01 07:54:50 unfortunately we don't have something like USE yet in OE May 01 07:55:03 'yet', it is planned ? May 01 07:55:09 we plan to yeah May 01 07:55:13 but it needs quite some thinking May 01 07:55:21 yeah May 01 07:55:26 it's somewhere in the middle of our to-do list :) May 01 07:55:37 well, I'm really falling in love with OE ;) May 01 07:55:39 * StarKruzr waits for his Collie to reboot May 01 07:56:03 I'm planning on re-writing the Collie install documentation May 01 07:58:29 sounds like a good idea May 01 07:59:46 it needs help :) May 01 08:01:27 yes, I'm planning to write the Tosa one May 01 08:01:42 should be quite similar though May 01 08:02:09 but the LocalConfExamples page indeed lack examples May 01 08:02:25 the problem with the Collie one is that it doesn't mention at all that without an SD card and moving root to SD, OE is essentially worthless May 01 08:02:41 uhm May 01 08:02:44 worthless? May 01 08:02:44 you can't even do an ipkg update without running out of space May 01 08:02:50 ^^ May 01 08:03:00 dest sd /mnt/card/ in`ipkg.conf May 01 08:03:19 that's default, XorA May 01 08:03:26 doesn't help, though May 01 08:03:32 you do an update and you fill root immediately May 01 08:04:12 root is something like 99% full after flashing. May 01 08:04:37 of course, root is eensy-weensy on a collie. May 01 08:42:31 hey mickeyl May 01 08:42:50 hey koen May 01 08:42:57 koen: does Angstrom boot into X now then? May 01 08:43:44 * koen gives XorA http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/c700-eabi.png May 01 08:44:38 have to get me one of those images built then :-) May 01 08:44:57 that's after ~6 tries to stop it segfaulting May 01 08:46:01 I think we need more patches like this: http://git.infradead.org/?p=mtd-2.6.git;a=commit;h=463b158aab247b600e4e93614b7b8f42a66331c9 May 01 08:48:36 but irssi seems to be rock solid :) May 01 08:48:47 * XorA chuckles May 01 08:48:56 the important stuff works then May 01 08:49:59 :) May 01 08:50:14 well if you get a pr0n viewer working May 01 08:51:47 cp conf/distro/openzaurus-unstable.conf conf/distro/pr0nzaurus-unstable.conf May 01 08:54:48 koen: its very tempting sometimes, that would make 90% of oesf readers happy May 01 08:55:16 * koen makes no comment on that May 01 09:06:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r391d6901... 10/packages/linux-libc-headers/ (2 files in 2 dirs): May 01 09:06:37 linux-libc-headers 2.6.15.99: add ARM patch 3477/1 to undefine some syscalls May 01 09:06:37 * http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=3477 May 01 09:08:34 * koen continues to locate the control terminal for the hand of nod May 01 09:09:34 koen: that sounds like something from a white wolf RPG May 01 09:11:28 * XorA finishes generating the web stats that show marketing dept is a failure May 01 09:14:06 XorA: C&C renegade May 01 09:14:15 * koen got bored with homework May 01 09:17:20 morning May 01 09:17:52 moring hrw May 01 09:18:24 hey hrw & uv1 May 01 09:20:50 AntZ May 01 09:21:16 hey hrw|tv May 01 09:26:20 I am not willing to give up ;-) Anyone here with a working alarm sound on cl860 ? May 01 09:27:46 morning all May 01 09:27:46 ACTION  May 01 09:27:49 hi dirk May 01 09:27:54 hi Marcin May 01 09:30:50 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rd425306d... 10/packages/ntp/files/gcc4.patch: ntp: added mising gcc4.patch May 01 09:32:41 MMC/SD Driver definitely has problems ... May 01 09:33:15 A fresh ext2 formatted card does not work any more this morning. IOError (mkdir). Any ideas ? May 01 09:33:38 uv1: probably same problem as I have May 01 09:34:21 hrw|tv: Which problem ? May 01 09:35:14 sd/mmc timeouts May 01 09:36:19 hi phil May 01 09:36:22 hrw|tv: Someone working on that bug ? May 01 09:36:26 hi hrw|tv May 01 09:37:27 uv1: yes May 01 09:38:39 Its a little frustrating. No Alarm Sound, nor mmc. Kernel 2.6.15 was better here! May 01 09:38:59 uv1: with 2.6.15 you had this card working? May 01 09:41:18 hrw|tv: yes May 01 09:41:41 strange.. May 01 09:42:20 uv1: will you here later? I will give you kernel for testing May 01 09:43:03 hrw|tv: late afternoon I will be back. May 01 09:45:34 ok May 01 09:51:07 ~lart gtk stuff for relying on tmp/work May 01 09:51:07 * ibot forces gtk stuff to use Outlook Express for relying on tmp/work May 01 09:55:10 *sigh* May 01 09:55:20 hi mickeyl May 01 09:55:29 * mickeyl drops the PyQt4 buildsystem and redoes it *again* his way May 01 09:55:35 hi hrw|tv May 01 09:55:40 hey mickeyl May 01 09:55:45 hi do13! May 01 09:55:55 how are things? how's tosa progressing? May 01 09:56:18 hrw|tv: do we have a rough timeline for .1 yet? May 01 09:56:38 mickeyl: if rc2 will work then I want to ship it in this week May 01 09:56:38 RP: ping May 01 09:56:39 mickeyl: gcc4 broke the nand driver. May 01 09:56:47 do13: darn, that's nasty May 01 09:57:11 hrw|tv: excellent. i can test it on a machine if you need. May 01 09:57:20 mickeyl: actually I have no idea, what's going wrong. May 01 09:57:38 morning May 01 09:57:51 mickeyl: would be great May 01 09:57:52 hey CoreDump|home May 01 09:57:53 hey CoreDump|home May 01 09:58:23 hrw|tv: np. is it up yet? which machine would be the most wanted? May 01 09:58:32 mickeyl: cxx00 May 01 09:58:53 mickeyl: I can test c7x0 but not cxx00 May 01 09:59:16 ok, i will handle cxx00 the May 01 09:59:17 n May 01 09:59:23 at least for x = 3000 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 01 09:59:56 2006