**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 01 09:59:56 2006 May 01 10:01:31 mickeyl: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/.rc2/images/spitz/ May 01 10:01:41 ok May 01 10:01:51 and we need to write release notes May 01 10:02:08 good release notes - with alsa infos, pcmciautils help etc May 01 10:04:11 hail mickeyl May 01 10:04:29 hey pb_ May 01 10:13:35 ibot, seen reenoo? May 01 10:13:45 reenoo was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 18h 21m 45s ago, saying: 'later zecke_ '. May 01 10:23:14 RP: if I good understand, tinderbox3 is the server and tinderclient the client. So to send build reports only tinderclient is required, and zecke told me to get a copy of tinderbox3 to tweak server scripts, right ? May 01 10:36:36 hrm May 01 10:36:49 mickey|breakfast: what are you thought on the name of native toolchains? May 01 10:37:13 mickey|breakfast: I'd expect 'gcc' but it gives me 'arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc' May 01 10:38:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r35ce2565... 10/conf/distro/angstrom.conf: angstrom: put some branding in the EABI toolchains :) May 01 10:40:27 good morning folks May 01 10:40:38 hey chris144 May 01 10:40:43 hey koen May 01 10:52:31 NOTE: package gpe-othello-0.2-1-r0: task do_distribute_sources: started May 01 10:52:31 NOTE: Licenses (['unknown']) are not all listed in SRC_DISTRIBUTE_LICENSES, skipping source distribution May 01 10:55:12 gcc 4.1.1 should have been released 2 days ago May 01 10:55:17 * koen keeps waiting May 01 11:02:41 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * re5585286... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass: tinderclient.bbclass: update to latest .dev version May 01 11:22:14 hrw|tv: does the tinderclient.bbclass has something to do with tinderclient from freedesktop.org ? May 01 11:24:02 cyrilRomain: tinderclient.bbclass is used for making build to be a tinderclient May 01 11:24:08 to report build logs to the OE tinderbox, do I need to 'bitbake tinderclient' ? 'cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.freedesktop.org:/cvs/sysadmin co tinderclient' , or nothing at all ? May 01 11:27:18 cyrilRomain: zecke described what to do on OE ml May 01 11:27:40 hrw|tv: well yes, local.conf modification May 01 11:28:00 hrw|tv: so I don't need to 'bitbake tinderclient' at all, right ? May 01 11:28:14 yep May 01 11:28:25 hrw|tv: ok, thanks May 01 11:28:37 I just copied his example, changed name and its a part May 01 11:28:45 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuilds May 01 11:30:17 well, I'm planning to create a wiki page with necessary information, thanks hrw :) May 01 11:32:14 np May 01 11:32:24 I was also curious how it works ;) May 01 11:47:14 RP: sound does not work out-of-box on c7x0/opie May 01 11:49:48 bbl May 01 11:52:23 morning May 01 11:52:44 hi rene May 01 11:53:08 hi hrw|tv May 01 11:55:53 hi reenoo May 01 11:56:11 would you mind applying the patch from (oe) bug 926 to the oz354fam083 branch? May 01 11:57:17 hey pb_ May 01 11:57:21 will do May 01 11:57:24 thanks May 01 11:57:31 I think cairo probably needs its PR bumped as well May 01 11:57:59 the other thing was autotools.bbclass, right? May 01 11:58:04 yeah May 01 11:58:20 ok, I'll take care of both May 01 11:58:24 great May 01 11:58:38 some of the x libraries also need patching to make them actually use autotools.bbclass. I'll make a diff for that shortly. May 01 11:59:17 pb_: should that patch go into .dev? May 01 11:59:39 and .oz354x? May 01 11:59:48 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r662849bf... 10/packages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (python-)sip4: upgrade to 4.4.3 May 01 11:59:52 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc973ff55... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add PyQt4, the Python Bindings for Qt4/X11 May 01 12:00:11 or is .dev not good enough for people who aren't part of the Familiar junta? May 01 12:00:39 (remove one negative from above sentence) May 01 12:02:34 hrw|tv: probably, yeah May 01 12:03:58 will remember about it then - want to test images first May 01 12:04:15 I think most of the changes that have gone into oz354fam083 since oz354x was branched are most likely appropriate for the latter branch as well. My monotone sk1llz are too weak to get a list of those changes though. May 01 12:05:16 ok - I got some of them and will look for more May 01 12:05:38 for that matter, it'd also be interesting to review a list of the changesets in .oz354x and check whether any of those are appropriate for .oz354fam083 May 01 12:07:12 good thing they went into .dev first May 01 12:07:14 *cough* May 01 12:08:15 heh.. ipkg is slow May 01 12:08:48 hrw|tv: tell me about it... May 01 12:14:14 RP: zaurusd will get patched May 01 12:14:20 RP: twice May 01 12:28:17 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5e33daa9... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom 2006.9: update toolchain bits to match angstrom.conf May 01 12:29:41 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r16ab01d4... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom-2006.9: remove ?= from srcdate, since bitbake sets it before parsing $DISTRO.conf May 01 12:33:03 what is the name policy for TINDER_MACHINE ? ewi--- ? May 01 12:33:40 or -- ? or ... ? May 01 12:34:09 something descriptive May 01 12:34:28 distro-target or distro-machine May 01 12:37:19 koen: well, we should choose a consistent one. May 01 12:37:36 koen: not every .oz354x changeset is in .dev - for example my hostap kernel patches are only in .oz354x May 01 12:37:48 cyrilRomain: true May 01 12:38:37 cyrilRomain: I'd look to see tinderclient report MACHINE, DISTRO and the target (bootstrap-image, etc) to the server May 01 12:38:52 hrw|tv: it's a branch, so not everything needs to be in .dev May 01 12:39:09 hrw|tv: but bugfixes should be in .dev May 01 12:39:20 sure May 01 12:40:25 koen: well, let's go for distro-machine-target then :) May 01 12:41:30 koen: branch can be seen into the logs anyway, right ? May 01 12:41:49 iirc, yes May 01 12:42:05 cyrilRomain: could you send your proposal to the mailinglist? May 01 12:42:14 koen: I made a wiki page May 01 12:42:17 check tinderbox - my branch build is listed May 01 12:42:27 koen: and will send the link to the ml May 01 12:44:03 hrw|tv: what are your thought on switching oz 3.5.5 to gcc4? May 01 12:44:19 koen: no May 01 12:44:32 koen: oz 3.5 will be 3.4.4 May 01 12:45:22 koen: when angstrom will be released then probably clamshells will be only in angstrom and OZ will say for 2.4 powered Zauruses May 01 12:45:26 hrw|tv: ok, I'll have to find a different solution for the firefox java plugin :) May 01 12:45:53 ~lart orinoco<>hostap situation May 01 12:45:54 * ibot hits orinoco<>hostap situation with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha May 01 12:46:38 looks like I will prepare big patches for orinoco soon... May 01 12:49:14 bittorrent ratio suxx with cable inet access May 01 12:50:01 hrw|tv: what's the issue with orinoco? May 01 12:50:31 pb_: orinoco claim that support d601/0005 cards, hostap do that too May 01 12:50:49 hostap do WPA, orinoco does not May 01 12:51:59 is there any advantage to using orinoco for those cards? generally, it seems best to use hostap for the cards that work with both. May 01 12:52:57 afaik, the only ones that really want orinoco are the older (non prism) ones. May 01 12:53:27 there is not iirc - but our pcmcia configs conflict a bit there May 01 12:54:01 pb__: morning May 01 12:55:28 hail zecke May 01 12:55:37 hey zecke May 01 12:55:47 hrw|tv: ah right, I see. yeah, best to patch the orinoco config to remove the conflict. May 01 12:56:16 pb_: master I need your help :) May 01 12:56:30 pb_: Master of GNU, do you know the gcc buildsystem? May 01 12:56:46 zecke: sort of May 01 12:57:25 pb_: I'm building for uclibc (trying to) which lacks execinfo.h and also iconv.h (in my configuration) May 01 12:57:48 pb_: now to compile libmudflap, and libstdc++ (and other libs), it tries to find headers (AC_CHECK_HEADERS) May 01 12:58:06 pb_: it tries to compile using arm-...-gcc and fails, then it tries to use the CPP May 01 12:58:21 pb_: CPP is all over 'gcc -E' without a way to change it... May 01 12:58:41 right May 01 12:58:53 so what exactly is going wrong? May 01 12:58:55 pb_: I think a proper solution would be to create a CPP_FOR_TARGET similiar to the AS,CC variables? May 01 12:59:10 pb_: autotools thinks it has execinfo.h because gcc -E worked ;) May 01 12:59:20 oh right, I see. yeah, that sucks. May 01 12:59:34 pb_: I have patched the the configure script for now :} May 01 12:59:45 I'm not really sure why it falls back to ${CPP}. That sounds like an autoconf bug to me. May 01 12:59:49 pb_: but I'm considering filing my first gcc bug report ever, May 01 13:00:01 pb_: CPP is set nowhere in gcc May 01 13:02:48 yeah May 01 13:03:05 I suppose you could patch gcc's toplevel makefile to pass CPP="${CC} -E" to the target configures May 01 13:03:15 (that'd be Makefile.tpl, probably in the configure-target rule) May 01 13:03:36 that sounds like the easiest way ;) May 01 13:03:45 that would use xgcc -E then for preprocessing May 01 13:03:51 right May 01 13:03:51 which should work May 01 13:04:03 I think that's what you want. there should never be any reason for it to use the host cpp. May 01 13:05:06 thanks, will prepare a patch and file my bug report :} May 01 13:05:13 now fontconfig is funny as well May 01 13:07:21 pb_: fontconfig compiles a host tool, and pasess $(CFLAGS) to it May 01 13:07:31 oh dear May 01 13:07:33 pb_: which includes uclibc's ctype.h and then it fails to link :} May 01 13:07:40 yah, that's no good May 01 13:08:38 I think libx11 will probably have the same problem, fwiw, though that might not matter to you May 01 13:09:29 probably need to invent a new $(HOST_CFLAGS) variable and set it to "-O2 -g" or something May 01 13:10:36 pb_: I'm compiling meta-gpe with uclibc ATM ;) May 01 13:10:49 cya later, doing assignments now May 01 13:10:52 enjoy May 01 13:11:22 keith is likely to accept such patches? May 01 13:11:31 yeah, I think so May 01 13:12:16 zecke, did you make changes in .dev familiar.conf regarding this issue? http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=747 May 01 13:13:14 i just discovered this was reopened May 01 13:14:22 guess i missed him May 01 13:14:24 I made no changes to familiar.conf May 01 13:14:58 okay, i'll do it after class this afternoon so i can reclose this May 01 13:15:27 zecke: you added some preferred versions to familiar-unstable.conf May 01 13:15:28 I have not tested building familiar for the last couple of days May 01 13:15:53 zecke: (a month ago) May 01 13:16:01 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rfc7393c8... 10/packages/zaurusd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): zaurusd: fix sound on c7x0, disable ssuend on hinge close May 01 13:18:04 zecke: that is, to pick a working version of binutils(-cross) May 01 13:18:37 reenoo: ah right, I did :) May 01 13:18:56 reenoo: will start a build this afternoon... May 01 13:19:05 * cyrilRomain -> sunbath B-) May 01 13:20:29 then i can close this bug again? May 01 13:59:00 Grr, BitBake gives me issues May 01 14:00:38 morning May 01 14:00:43 I usually run 'svn update' after updating OpenEmbedded metadata. This time I got some kind of "development version" which suggested that I should download BitBake from stable branch. I did so but that version did not even started without fixing the shell.py May 01 14:01:22 Cockroach-: what needed fixing? May 01 14:01:46 zecke: File "/home/torakka/inssi/bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py", line 270 May 01 14:02:48 line was 'if False #fromCache:' i modified it to 'if False: #fromCache'. I know practically nothing about python but that enabled me to start the interactive shell May 01 14:03:03 however now when it parses packages I get tons of errors May 01 14:03:33 Cockroach-: currently what you are saying is: "void" May 01 14:03:42 Cockroach-: what branch are you building, what are tons of errors May 01 14:03:50 Cockroach-: did you even read the 'ERROR' message? May 01 14:04:22 zecke: well, the ":" should not be commented I think May 01 14:04:36 cyrilRomain: right May 01 14:05:46 Cockroach-: try to add ':' just after False, i.e: "if False: #fromCache" May 01 14:05:48 Cockroach-: Are your errors from branch saying "Could not read file" ? May 01 14:06:25 zecke: I do know that the line of code actually doesnt do anything, but the original version didn't even work. I'm using the oz354fam083 branch.. May 01 14:06:28 zecke: yup May 01 14:06:37 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * re29f0ddf... 10/packages/hostap/ (files/hostap_cs.conf hostap-conf_1.0.bb): hostap-conf: added some cards from #836 and some from orinoco-conf. set me as maintainer May 01 14:06:41 cyrilRomain: Yes I fixed it like that May 01 14:06:46 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb7d53179... 10/packages/hostap/ (files/hostap_cs.conf hostap-conf_1.0.bb): hostap-conf: added some cards from #836 and some from orinoco-conf. set me as maintainer May 01 14:07:02 Cockroach-: and is bitbake right? (does the file exist)? May 01 14:07:05 Just wondering why "branches/bitbake-1.4" which is supposed to be stable is broken :) May 01 14:07:35 Cockroach-: show us those liines May 01 14:07:37 Cockroach-: python is a interpreted language (currently) May 01 14:07:51 Cockroach-: and well, people didn't try the shell then ;) May 01 14:08:36 Cockroach-: once you have a kernel built these errors will go away May 01 14:08:47 Cockroach-: alternatively touch the missing file May 01 14:09:10 or better: fix code to CHECK does file exist before reading it May 01 14:09:25 hrw|tv: like we do in .dev (well sort of) May 01 14:09:38 zecke: yeah, it seems that BitBake is trying to find some files in the staging directory (even when the whole directory doensn't yet exist, first build) May 01 14:09:53 just confused since can't remember seeing themn earlier May 01 14:10:06 Cockroach-: bitbake started tracking RDEPENDS as well May 01 14:10:14 Cockroach-: and it tries to get the RDEPENDS for the module May 01 14:10:27 Cockroach-: and the modules have the kernel abi version in their rdepends May 01 14:10:42 Cockroach-: and the kernel abi is not known until a kernel has been built ;) May 01 14:10:45 If those errors aren't fatal for building what I want, I'm satisfied with the explanation =) May 01 14:10:50 Cockroach-: and this shell error is in trunk as well ;) May 01 14:11:16 zecke: Noticed that too (trunk-issue) May 01 14:12:25 Life is never boring when playing with OE & bitbake. Don't do a build in a week or two: BLAM! Nothing works as last time you did something ;) May 01 14:12:51 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4431ad61... 10/packages/orinoco/ (files/hermes.conf orinoco-conf_1.0.bb): orinoco-conf: Prism cards moved to hostap-conf, added me as 2nd maintainer May 01 14:12:56 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r4080ea46... 10/packages/orinoco/ (files/hermes.conf orinoco-conf_1.0.bb): orinoco-conf: Prism cards moved to hostap-conf, added me as 2nd maintainer May 01 14:13:35 Cockroach-: add 'if use .dev' May 01 14:13:50 Cockroach-: that is bad (and we try to improve) May 01 14:13:57 I'm not complaining :) May 01 14:14:19 At least it's a way to keep one away from developing routines =) May 01 14:14:33 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r75979ad7... 10/packages/orinoco/orinoco-conf_1.0.bb: orinoco-conf: set PACKAGE_ARCH='all' May 01 14:14:33 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf58d2346... 10/packages/orinoco/orinoco-conf_1.0.bb: orinoco-conf: set PACKAGE_ARCH='all' May 01 14:15:07 hrw|tv: add that where? Sorry, you lost me. May 01 14:15:35 16:23 < Cockroach-> Life is never boring when playing with OE & bitbake. Don't do a build in a week or two: BLAM! Nothing works as last time you did something ;) May 01 14:15:39 here May 01 14:15:53 Cockroach-: .oz354x is buildable as it was month ago May 01 14:17:03 Probably so, I haven't yet made it that far. BitBake has kept me busy so far today. May 01 14:33:38 yeah, we need to fix those RDEPENDS warnings - they're annoying May 01 14:39:38 http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 <- awesome May 01 14:44:23 zecke: quite fast from ftp.de.openbsd.org May 01 14:44:54 hrw|tv: I usually love the OpenBSD artwork :} May 01 14:46:41 pb_: oh well, quilt has a lot of hardcoded paths in it May 01 14:46:57 pb_: if you move staging around, it won't find its commands either :} May 01 14:49:37 zecke: grabing all songs to relisten May 01 14:50:23 zecke: tried with newest quilt? May 01 14:50:34 no May 01 14:51:08 zecke: in debian is use just 'awk' May 01 14:51:22 debian has 0.44 (0.45 was released) May 01 14:51:49 if [ -n "$opt_color" ]; then May 01 14:51:49 awk ' May 01 15:00:58 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r701401fb... 10/packages/zd1211/ (6 files in 2 dirs): zd1211: Updated to r74 driver, fixed ARM endian problem, added unslung patches. May 01 15:08:43 when I merge from dev to my private branch, I end up having to manual merge files May 01 15:08:55 this confuses me, because I have no local changes to them May 01 15:09:12 and I do not understand why I get a window with three files May 01 15:09:35 Crofton: try --lca May 01 15:10:07 I am :( May 01 15:11:07 monotone --db=~/OE/OE.db --lac propagate ....dev ....mprg May 01 15:11:10 er lca May 01 15:11:49 merge --lca May 01 15:11:55 hmmm May 01 15:12:03 merge in which branch? May 01 15:13:59 good question, I shut up now ;) May 01 15:14:07 I thought you could progate and then merge :} May 01 15:14:08 both branches are merged ... May 01 15:14:23 I get meld popping up during the propagate May 01 15:18:07 grrr does anyone understand propagate across branches May 01 15:19:23 zecke: song35 is nice May 01 15:19:23 I am very sympathetic to people bitching about monotone and branches May 01 15:20:03 Crofton: ask njs ;) May 01 15:20:05 zecke: but maybe it is because its very monty python styled May 01 15:20:23 hrw|tv: I will have to listen to that as well :) May 01 15:20:38 he the monotone dude? May 01 15:20:42 Crofton: yupp May 01 15:20:54 I'll try messsgaing him May 01 15:21:08 they have irc channel, but I think it is a different server May 01 15:21:15 right ;) May 01 15:22:12 Crofton: irc.oftc.net May 01 15:22:18 yeah May 01 15:22:23 I am lazy though :) May 01 15:22:49 zecke: yeah, I wouldn't expect it to work if I move staging to some other place. I would just like it to stop uselessly specifiying absolute paths to system binaries. May 01 15:22:53 but I want to get this straight, because it causes me great pain keeping my local branch current versus dev May 01 15:24:28 I wonder if they will bitch because I am on v.25 May 01 15:24:47 Crofton: no, they won't bitch May 01 15:24:56 good May 01 15:25:05 Crofton: they might mention it is fixed in monotone 0.26 ;) May 01 15:25:12 heh May 01 15:25:32 I can't use .26 to pull from .25? May 01 15:25:41 how does sourceforge suck? Let me count the ways May 01 15:26:56 CosmicPenguin: it sucks badly when it comes to cvs May 01 15:32:52 hi pgas May 01 15:33:03 hi hrw|tv May 01 15:33:18 Good evening all. May 01 15:34:02 just came back from pilio, a mountain ( weeek end spent IN a cloud...) May 01 15:37:06 New from the CL860 sound ... May 01 15:38:46 At the end I tried to play an off file using mplayer. That plays, but is somewhat muted. Also the headphone is loader, that the speaker. In fact the speaker is not really hearable. May 01 15:38:52 Any ideas about that ? May 01 15:39:20 Note that the alsamixer stuff works (at least volume, speaker on/off). May 01 15:40:43 s/off/ogg/ s/loader/louder/ May 01 16:09:41 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * re18dd9f3... 10/packages/gpe-clock/gpe-clock_0.24.bb: gpe-clock: added 0.24 May 01 16:19:49 someone has a sed script to fix all thos fscking referencies to tmp/work in gtk related *.la files? May 01 16:21:08 hm how can I override for gcc-cross not to build a glibc? May 01 16:22:38 woglinde: assume_provided + manually staged libc in staging/ May 01 16:23:10 hrm hm for the mikrocontroller toolchain there isnt a glibc needed May 01 16:23:17 or other c-lib May 01 16:23:35 you can build a libc but it isn't nesscary May 01 16:23:54 ok May 01 16:24:21 then try just to ASSUME_PROVIDE it maybe May 01 16:24:41 hrw|tv: that sed script should be in .dev May 01 16:24:50 he koen May 01 16:24:52 koen: its partial solution May 01 16:24:58 hey woglinde May 01 16:25:39 woglinde: glibc has some python magic for ntpl, maybe you could put something like that in gcc for microcontrollers May 01 16:26:00 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf98b59e1... 10/packages/gpe-session-scripts/ (2 files in 2 dirs): gpe-session-scripts: change applets order, change gpe-clock to matchbox-clock May 01 16:26:23 koen hm I will look at it May 01 16:26:54 is it in the glibc-packages dirs or in the oe conf-dirs? May 01 16:28:31 in the glibc .bbs May 01 16:28:33 woglinde: DEPENDS = "${@['virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc-initial', 'virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc']['nptl' in '${GLIBC_ADDONS}']} linux-libc-headers" May 01 16:32:30 ~gst May 01 16:32:44 what is gst May 01 16:32:51 stupid bot May 01 16:33:19 you mean ugt? May 01 16:33:40 ~ugt May 01 16:33:41 i heard ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. May 01 16:33:46 thanks May 01 16:34:45 lol May 01 16:56:25 reenoo: I think http://handhelds.org/~pb/650.patch will fix the issue in bug 650. May 01 16:56:58 any objections to http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=907 from gpe/familiar teams? May 01 16:57:14 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r1db22240... 10/packages/gpe-clock/ (gpe-clock-0.24/name-fix.patch gpe-clock_0.24.bb): gpe-clock: s/Clock/Alarm clock in applets Remove menu May 01 16:57:19 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r123e674d... 10/packages/zaurusd/ (files/fix-c7x0-sound.patch zaurusd_svn.bb): zaurusd: fix another ALSA config error for c7x0 May 01 16:57:22 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rbd3fa2c8... 10/packages/gpe-clock/gpe-clock_0.25.bb: gpe-clock: added 0.25 (which is 0.24 + name-fix.patch) May 01 16:57:26 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdc0fb237... 10/packages/gpe-clock/gpe-clock_0.25.bb: gpe-clock: update to 0.25 May 01 16:57:41 hrw|tv: I seem to remember that libusb was only recently removed from the bluez-utils DEPENDS because of some problem it caused May 01 16:58:13 pb_: then I split libusb to libusb/libusbpp May 01 16:58:27 ah, okay May 01 16:58:30 libusbpp depend on libstdc++ which make it too big May 01 16:58:34 in that case I guess it's fine May 01 16:59:15 it would probably be best to package hid2hci separately from the base bluez-utils.ipk, though, so that people who don't want it don't need to install it May 01 16:59:33 hm May 01 16:59:39 we can take a view on whether to put it in bootstrap-image depending on how big the combination of hid2hci and libusb is. May 01 17:00:21 libusb is 29K hid2hci is 12K May 01 17:00:56 LANGUAGES ?= "c,c++,${FORTRAN}${JAVA}" sets LANGUAGES only when LANGUAGES ist not set? May 01 17:01:17 woglinde: should May 01 17:01:26 urgs May 01 17:01:32 thanks zecke May 01 17:01:45 damnit denglish May 01 17:05:41 answer to my earlier question about monotone mergin May 01 17:05:42 tbrownaw Crofton|laptop: that's because merging works somewhat poorly on 0.25 and earlier. That behavior should be gone with 0.26 May 01 17:08:11 pb_: what exactly does that patch do? May 01 17:08:57 pb_: or rather.. what's the effect of setting that threshold to 32k? May 01 17:10:24 Crofton: hehe May 01 17:10:28 reenoo: consider adding hostap-conf/orinoco-conf changesets to familiar May 01 17:10:31 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * ra4367366... 10/packages/gpe-plucker/ (gpe-plucker/gpe-plucker-desktop.patch gpe-plucker_0.2.bb): May 01 17:10:31 gpe-plucker: adjust naming in .desktop ("E-Book Reader"). part of a fix for hh.org Bug #1531 from .dev May 01 17:10:31 taken from .oz354fam083 May 01 17:10:34 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rab5e2888... 10/packages/gpe-filemanager/ (6 files): gpe-filemanager: added 0.25 from .oz354fam083, drop older May 01 17:11:24 what is the current thinking about going to monotone .26? May 01 17:11:47 Crofton: we probably will go for 0.27 or 0.28 May 01 17:11:58 grrr May 01 17:12:00 Crofton: mickey|gaming and zecke should mail a plan to oe@ soon May 01 17:12:04 this branch crap is annoying me May 01 17:12:40 I keep thinnking I am an idiot May 01 17:12:50 but apparently I am wrong :) May 01 17:12:52 well, we would have upgraded earlier if the people who where complaining (not you) had taken part in the scm testing May 01 17:13:19 heh May 01 17:13:36 I am small potatoes in the big picture May 01 17:14:02 and I am glad the problem is not me :) May 01 17:14:08 with propagate May 01 17:15:06 do13: 14 updated patches, you have been quite busy :) May 01 17:30:44 he mickeyl May 01 17:31:05 hrms May 01 17:31:18 mickey|exhausted: hey May 01 17:31:44 since my car is still in the garage for fixing the break-in through the window, i had to bicycle to where we played board games.... *sigh* May 01 17:31:55 mickey|exhausted: hey May 01 17:31:56 1.5h bicycling May 01 17:32:02 hi zecke, hey woglinde May 01 17:32:06 mickey|exhausted: go to the dutch border, get a mtoro for your bicycle May 01 17:33:03 * mickey|exhausted runs for dinner May 01 17:33:45 mickey|exhausted: smacznego May 01 17:33:58 CoreDump|home: ping May 01 17:42:47 bleh May 01 17:42:52 hi kergoth May 01 17:43:08 hi kergoth May 01 17:43:11 kergoth: hey May 01 17:43:21 hey May 01 17:46:46 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r29d3b9e9... 10/packages/vlc/ (vlc-gpe-0.8.4/pda-interface.patch vlc-gpe_0.8.4.bb): vlc-gpe: added 0.8.4 with PDA interface patch (from .oz354fam083) May 01 17:46:50 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r7fa32d62... 10/packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0_2.6.4.bb: glib-2.0: improve packaging a bit - taken from .oz354fam083 May 01 17:46:54 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4058e063... 10/packages/bitchx/bitchx_1.1.bb: bitchx: package previously unpackaged files in -defmsgs, -help, -scripts, -translations subpackages (from .oz354fam083) May 01 17:46:58 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r7c8665d1... 10/packages/matchbox-panel/ (6 files in 2 dirs): matchbox-panel: update to version from .dev May 01 17:47:17 reenoo: it causes glibc to use mmap for malloc requests over 32k in size (as opposed to 128k previously) May 01 17:48:01 g'day kergoth May 01 17:48:43 pb_: ah, ok May 01 17:48:45 hey kergoth May 01 18:18:27 RP: ping May 01 18:19:25 RP: ping May 01 18:20:17 mickey|exhausted: I'm thinking more about releasing 3.5.4.1 with pcmcia-cs May 01 18:20:43 Im looking to move around some files before glibc starts compiling (to fix some issues for the sh3 platform), under what section should this code be under? (munge?) May 01 18:22:21 mickey|exhausted, hrw: pong May 01 18:23:06 RP: I'm thinking more about releasing 3.5.4.1 with pcmcia-cs May 01 18:23:22 hrw: pcmciautils isn't working for us? May 01 18:24:05 RP: for us yes. but every user with card 'unknown for kernel' will force us to patch kernel and rebuild May 01 18:24:05 rp/hrw: thanks ;) May 01 18:24:20 *sigh* msp430 doesnt compile with gcc-4.0.2 and the older patches are for gcc-3.3.x May 01 18:24:34 i was wondering why i couldn't find a 'cardctl' in 3.5.4.1 (sigh) May 01 18:24:45 raduga *g* May 01 18:24:50 woglinde_: well set preferred version ;) May 01 18:24:53 hrw: Can we figure out and document how to force pcmciautils to bind to a given card? May 01 18:25:24 zecke as far as I can see gcc-3.3.x isnt really maintained in oe May 01 18:25:26 RP: iirc it needs to be done in kernel no userspace.. May 01 18:25:42 woglinde_: copy one ;) May 01 18:25:55 hrw: I'm fairly sure it can be done in userspace May 01 18:26:28 pcmciautils is driven by hotplug or udev... if it doesnt support it directly, you could always intercept those messages and mangle May 01 18:26:31 heh May 01 18:27:10 kergoth: pcmcia subsystem give modalias for udev - here we can try to mangle May 01 18:27:52 I'm sure there's an interface in sysfs we can directly manipulate which saves mangling... May 01 18:29:54 hrw: Thanks for the zaurusd patches - will fix c7x0 upstream and probably remove the script from the default install May 01 18:30:11 RP: hi. do you remember how the battery compartment switch is wired (if at all) on the C7x0 and cxx00 series? Can we use that to trigger a reboot? May 01 18:30:13 RP: check sound on cxx00 May 01 18:30:50 hrw: what should be checked? May 01 18:31:02 raduga: does it work out-of-box May 01 18:31:28 raduga: if I flash opie and enable 'touch screen clicks'/'key clicks' they have to work May 01 18:31:33 mickey|exhausted: Its wired to a GPIO so we can do pretty much what we like with it. I have it performing a critical suspend of the device May 01 18:31:35 hrw: in rc1 release, audio output works out-of-box on c1000 May 01 18:31:53 i didn't try 'touch screne clicks' or 'key clicks' May 01 18:32:00 hrw: I'm fairly sure cxx00 sound is working May 01 18:32:07 but did try "cat * >/dev/audio" May 01 18:32:08 hi May 01 18:32:16 raduga: it was example of audio output May 01 18:32:21 RP: cool May 01 18:32:42 also, mic input appears to be working, though I have ongoing problem finding a good microphone :( May 01 18:32:44 hrw: opie's sound doesn't always work - its an opie/qte issues May 01 18:33:08 RP: ah that's pretty cool. could we attach it to zaurusd ? May 01 18:33:29 bug: every rom, every mic I try, i can't seem to record anything but extremely faint, almost useless sound May 01 18:33:31 RP: thats other story May 01 18:33:40 (it may be a personal bug in me, not in the Zaurus) May 01 18:33:40 mickey|exhausted: At the moment its not exported to userspace but I guess we could May 01 18:34:06 mickey|exhausted: I took the view that if the user was messing with it, we wanted to sync data and get to a "safe" state ASAP :) May 01 18:34:10 RP: today I flashed rc2 and does not have a sound - had to fix mixer settings May 01 18:34:39 RP: right, but it may be interesting to have it customizable for some special applications May 01 18:34:41 hrw: Yes, I'm looking at the patch. Strange that got messed up :-/ May 01 18:35:08 mickey|exhausted: zaurusd would certainly be able to handle it... May 01 18:35:24 mickey|exhausted: I'll give it some thought next time I'm messing with that code :) May 01 18:35:29 RP: cool. thanks! May 01 18:35:32 hrw: could you put that bitchx pach in .dev? May 01 18:35:47 koen: probably can May 01 18:36:05 ~lart familiar's 'fuck upstream' mentality May 01 18:36:05 * ibot calls familiar's 'fuck upstream' mentality on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home May 01 18:36:10 ~lart familiar's 'fuck upstream' mentality again May 01 18:36:11 * ibot rm -rf's familiar's 'fuck upstream' mentality again May 01 18:36:24 koen: lart also monotone for lack of cherrypicker May 01 18:36:28 koen: yeah, send more patches upstream May 01 18:36:41 I'm being called away - back in a few hours... May 01 18:36:45 cu RP May 01 18:37:07 zecke: I'm not part of familiar anymore May 01 18:37:18 zecke: france said he could do a better job May 01 18:37:31 zecke: but I'm not going to make any further comments May 01 18:37:40 except: vla! May 01 18:38:57 koen: how much of your patches in OE was sent upstream? May 01 18:39:20 koen: well, I meant. We need to send patches upstream May 01 18:39:38 the problem is that a lot of our fixes arent optimal May 01 18:39:38 hrw: gpe/spitz looks pretty good here May 01 18:39:49 hrw: probably ~60% May 01 18:39:53 each patch needs to be reviewed, and for some, reworked, before you can even attempt to push it upstream May 01 18:40:01 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc7bdbea8... 10/packages/sylpheed/ (11 files in 2 dirs): sylpheed: added 2.2.4, dropped older May 01 18:40:07 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3208f3b0... 10/packages/bitchx/bitchx_1.1.bb: bitchx: package previously unpackaged files in -defmsgs, -help, -scripts, -translations subpackages (from .oz354fam083) May 01 18:40:39 kergoth: "here's a sed script we use to fix your fscked buildsystem, please apply" May 01 18:40:51 kergoth: yep.. yesterday I sent patch to netdev and was dress downed May 01 18:41:41 also, a lot of upstream maintainers just dont give a shit about their buildsystems and such, since they dont know much about it :\ May 01 18:41:42 kergoth: sure, but I think we need to make people aware May 01 18:41:46 * kergoth agrees May 01 18:42:14 kergoth: MAINTAINER_NOT_INTEREST = "1" should be placed for ignorant maintainers :) May 01 18:42:41 svn://nowt.dyndns.org/svn/qemu;module=trunk;proto=https May 01 18:42:45 kidding? May 01 18:42:48 kergoth: most of our patches lack any info what they change and why May 01 18:42:54 how should i trust https dyndns accounts? May 01 18:43:02 zecke: dyndns!? May 01 18:43:12 - Issuer: Home, CodeSourcery, Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, GB May 01 18:43:14 hmm May 01 18:43:20 zecke: would you trust home.hrw.one.pl? May 01 18:43:57 hrw: probably not as a mirror for host tools May 01 18:44:03 hrw: but I generally trust you ;) May 01 18:44:14 zecke: home.hrw.one.pl CNAME hrw.no-ip.org May 01 18:44:52 koen: something more from my last commits want in .dev? May 01 18:45:10 hrw: I just did the glib-2.0 one May 01 18:45:18 hrw: generally: "everything" May 01 18:45:51 * zecke applies at NetBSD now May 01 18:47:55 koen: then you got them May 01 18:48:32 Anyone familiar with this? http://pastebin.com/692803 May 01 18:48:41 koen: gpe-session-scripts change is something which I do not push to .dev May 01 18:49:26 hi May 01 18:49:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r709b6688... 10/packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0_2.8.4.bb: glib: update to 2.8.4 May 01 18:49:49 hrw: yeah, I didn't push some stuff from .oz354fam083 to .dev as well, since they were hack May 01 18:50:02 hrw: or 'upstream' didn't respond to my questions May 01 18:51:40 koen: fyi, I have you killfiled and on /ignore. I guess you can safely stop your attacks on me now. I don't see them anyway. May 01 18:54:50 Anyone got any idea, cant build ncurses anymore. Theres been any updates to it? May 01 18:55:59 Is there an error? May 01 18:56:06 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r0639f339... 10/packages/hostap/ (files/hostap_cs.conf hostap-conf_1.0.bb): hostap-conf: removed some Orinoco cards May 01 18:56:09 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8ccd07ec... 10/packages/hostap/ (files/hostap_cs.conf hostap-conf_1.0.bb): hostap-conf: removed some Orinoco cards May 01 18:56:22 Check my pastebin above May 01 18:56:34 Might be that ncurses checks for something new and I have to update my site file May 01 18:56:48 # May 01 18:56:48 checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables May 01 18:56:48 # May 01 18:56:48 See `config.log' for more details. May 01 18:56:56 It would appear that your C compiler cannot create executables. May 01 18:57:06 I recommend you inspect config.log for more details on what might be wrong. May 01 18:57:19 Ken|JLime: is that with 'bitbake nano'? May 01 18:57:42 yeah, just doing that as a test May 01 18:57:49 koen: damn :) May 01 18:58:08 Ken|JLime: in that case you're hitting a bug in bitbake May 01 18:58:10 RP: where did you add the deep copy? May 01 18:58:45 pb_ : gonna try and reinstall gcc and see if that solves it May 01 18:58:53 koen: how you mean? May 01 18:59:15 Ken|JLime: that's target gcc, not gcc on your build system May 01 18:59:20 Ken|JLime: bitbake forgot it needs virtual/libc as dependency :} May 01 18:59:31 lol May 01 18:59:32 zecke: oh, heh. that would be a problem. May 01 18:59:34 Ken|JLime: I'm aware of this issue since yesterday May 01 19:00:13 How soon will it be fixed? worth doing an update? May 01 19:00:32 Ken|JLime: as fast as possible May 01 19:00:39 Ken|JLime: I can give you a 'hack' May 01 19:00:49 yeah would be nice May 01 19:05:34 hey TheMasterMind1 May 01 19:10:29 hi tmm1 May 01 19:10:51 zecke: you putting hack in repository or sending it to me? May 01 19:12:51 Ken|JLime: wait a second :) May 01 19:13:08 Ken|JLime: http://oe.pastebin.com/692828 that is a hack May 01 19:13:32 ah thx May 01 19:13:38 hack+code to provoke issues (but failed with that) May 01 19:14:13 Will give that a try, May 01 19:17:01 oh, being a hh.org mentor means I can not apply at NetBSD :} May 01 19:18:20 zecke: oh dear, that is unfortunate. I guess you should feel free to give up your hh.org mentorship and apply for the netbsd project. May 01 19:18:37 after all, you don't get any money for being a mentor :-} May 01 19:19:06 pb_: well, I could sell my soul this summer to do some paid development :} May 01 19:19:40 true enough May 01 19:19:56 mm, that reminds me, I should try to think of some project suggestions for hh.org May 01 19:19:59 e.g. apply for intern at reciva ;) May 01 19:20:08 ha May 01 19:21:20 * raduga applies for intern in the siberian plutonium mines (where Sash is holed up) May 01 19:21:46 pb_: my options are either applying using two different accounts (or using woglinde as 'cover'), or just to live with it May 01 19:22:44 he May 01 19:22:56 dont play with me May 01 19:23:06 woglinde: you get half of the fish ;) May 01 19:23:14 hm May 01 19:23:28 you mean I mentor you and yoz mentor me? May 01 19:23:34 zecke: actually, from what I remember of last year, there is no formal process for mentors. May 01 19:23:39 and steve mentors are both? May 01 19:23:46 us May 01 19:23:52 pb_: this year you have to sign up (using a google account) May 01 19:23:56 oh right May 01 19:24:02 pb_: this make me wonder, why you didn't sign up yet ;) May 01 19:24:18 zecke: nobody told me about this new arrangement May 01 19:24:46 Is there an auto stage system now? May 01 19:25:16 pb_: http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_step1.html May 01 19:25:18 Crofton: no, but you can use autotools_stage_all to do the grunt work for autotooled packages May 01 19:25:35 ah, very good May 01 19:25:37 inherit autotools_stage_all then May 01 19:25:54 wow, there's a whole participation agreement May 01 19:27:15 Crofton: that doesn't look right May 01 19:27:32 generally you would "inherit autotools" and then invoke autotools_stage_all as a function May 01 19:27:46 I don't think there's any class by that name. May 01 19:28:07 is there an bb file I can peek at? May 01 19:28:36 Crofton: packages/gnome/libwnck_2.12.1.bb May 01 19:29:03 pretty much any of the gnome packages, I think. or use the power of grep. May 01 19:29:15 use the grep luke May 01 19:31:20 oh, that reminds me May 01 19:31:36 zecke: thanks for your rpath note on the mailing list. I didn't know about that scanelf thing. May 01 19:31:54 pb_: looks to be a gentoo, pax util ;) May 01 19:32:05 oh, crumbs, gentoo? May 01 19:32:08 fear May 01 19:32:13 what does it actually do? May 01 19:32:23 pb_: installs emerge ;) May 01 19:32:27 if it automatically recompiles all my binaries with -O99 then I'm not using it May 01 19:32:29 pb_: it uses libelf IIRC May 01 19:32:44 pb_: for the grunt worked, and it works with any libelf ;) May 01 19:32:58 very good May 01 19:33:09 pb_: it can scan rpath, text relocations, so needed May 01 19:33:12 presumably it's better than the regular readelf in some way May 01 19:33:27 e.g. which damn apps are using lib foo ;) May 01 19:34:21 heh May 01 19:34:33 well, I hope to be able to stamp out these rpaths in familiar 0.8.4 May 01 19:35:03 pb_: now knowing the caps of readelf, I can't say what it makes better May 01 19:35:09 pb_: probably the -R option May 01 19:35:36 okay May 01 19:35:45 I'll have a play with it, anyway May 01 19:36:02 just building a new gpe-image tree to experiment with at the moment May 01 19:36:56 so far it seems that freetype and the xlibs are the main offenders in gpe. May 01 19:37:21 I filed a patch for freetype in bugzilla, and I think the x stuff just needs some changesets backporting from the .dev tree, so those things should all be under control May 01 19:37:26 they don't even contain a 'g' May 01 19:37:41 indeed, I guess that's why nobody checked them before May 01 19:37:55 obviously the packages beginning with "g" were the first to be suspected May 01 19:38:11 pb_: that makes sense to me ;) May 01 19:40:21 right, I forgot to push that May 01 19:41:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfb542799... 10/packages/freetype/ (files/no-hardcode.patch freetype_2.1.10.bb): freetype 2.1.10: apply patch to fix rpath abuse, courtesy Phil Blundell May 01 19:43:44 heh, scanelf's format string for the output is cute May 01 19:44:32 in what way? May 01 19:45:17 just nifty, avoiding writing perl to parse readelf output is a Good Thing(tm) :P May 01 19:59:23 very good May 01 20:12:35 a little python script to basically checkout/update bitbake/OE (like in GettingStarted): http://oe.pastebin.com/692941 May 01 20:13:13 we may add a link in the GettingStarted page (if you find it useful) May 01 20:13:32 cyrilRomain: did you check the MasterMakefile of the nslu2 folks? May 01 20:13:34 * cyrilRomain use it as personal use May 01 20:13:38 cyrilRomain: s/motone/monotone/g May 01 20:13:57 cyrilRomain: what about updating :) May 01 20:14:04 zecke: no May 01 20:15:24 cyrilRomain: could you make it check http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2.md5 ? May 01 20:15:39 koen: well yes May 01 20:15:46 and run mtn db check :} May 01 20:15:59 * cyrilRomain wonders how could it work with motone.vanille.de 8-/ May 01 20:16:19 zecke: what is MasterMakefile ? May 01 20:16:40 cyrilRomain: it is the stuff you do, just in Make syntax May 01 20:16:40 I know what nslu2 is but do they use another method to get OE ? May 01 20:16:56 cyrilRomain: get bitbake, OE, snapshot, build common configurations May 01 20:17:10 zecke: well no. is it available in the wiki ? May 01 20:17:25 cyrilRomain: yes :) May 01 20:17:35 zecke: shame on me :-[ May 01 20:18:19 cyrilRomain: no, I prefer python ;) May 01 20:18:26 shame on Sharp, for not pre-loading the wiki (or any wiki for that matter) onto the C3xxx) hdd May 01 20:18:30 cyrilRomain: e.g. more easily updatable May 01 20:18:30 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile May 01 20:19:00 hmm, i find myself with motivation for the first time in a long time, think i might do some open source development again May 01 20:19:02 zecke: well I started in bash but ... could not resist using python :) May 01 20:19:12 kergoth: wow. May 01 20:19:12 kergoth: awesome! May 01 20:19:15 hehe May 01 20:19:24 hurray for being medicated and caffinated May 01 20:19:24 what do you think you might develop? May 01 20:19:32 i have no idea, i find myself in need of a project May 01 20:19:33 kergoth: start slowly, OpenSource sucks ;) May 01 20:19:38 hehe May 01 20:20:02 fix monotone :) May 01 20:20:04 kergoth: want a difficult, but meaningful project that everyone will appreciate? ;) May 01 20:20:08 :) May 01 20:20:21 kergoth: help with DragonFlyBSD May 01 20:20:36 kergoth: besides Plan9 and Hurd the most interesting OS ATM May 01 20:20:50 kergoth: or do hardware projects ;) May 01 20:21:13 kergoth: fix the bugs in OZ/pdaXrom development, that keep both teams of maintainers angry and annoyed at eachother May 01 20:21:23 human bugs, not software bugs though May 01 20:21:29 (caffeine and medicine may help) May 01 20:22:03 heh, i recall the original attempts to coordinate too well to volunteer for such an arduous task :P May 01 20:22:15 raduga: well, I think it is not an OZ problem. Sash seems undereducated on what the OZ folks do, and what OE is ;) May 01 20:22:21 raduga: same could be true for OE and OZ guys May 01 20:22:43 zecke: what i see as a problem isn't that people aren't cooperating May 01 20:22:53 the problem is that people are getting really upset May 01 20:23:14 to the point where I worry about how much they will continue to be motivated to work May 01 20:23:22 raduga: well, here even Gtk+ and Qt folks are cooperating (OZ, OE) May 01 20:23:33 raduga: I don't think that can get more integratable May 01 20:24:30 in the past, the pdaxrom folks weren't interested in collaborating in any way, shape, or form, and were pretty stubborn about it. i dont see there being anything we can do about that. May 01 20:24:59 kergoth: now 'we' have a bitchin' fast kernel 2.6 May 01 20:25:01 zecke: kergoth: at present, there appears to be considerable interest in cooperating May 01 20:25:03 oops May 01 20:25:05 kergoth: May 01 20:25:10 kergoth: you bastard stole the name OE for BitBake ;) May 01 20:25:25 however, there are increasingly heated, and increasingly bitter language over the terms of the cooperation May 01 20:25:28 dont get me started on names, oesf drives me fucking nuts May 01 20:25:50 kergoth: time to get the trademark :} May 01 20:25:56 thats what i was just thinking :) May 01 20:25:59 people accusing people of stealing, of being unreasonably hostile, of vicious lies, etc May 01 20:26:32 raduga which lies? May 01 20:26:43 read the oesf forums to see May 01 20:26:53 more than one person has claimed that more than one other person is a liar May 01 20:26:57 some of the posts have been deleted though May 01 20:26:59 the oesf guy came to me to involve me in the oesf stuff initially, but it was clear that he didnt grasp what oe was or what the project's goals were May 01 20:26:59 i have no idea May 01 20:27:00 or care May 01 20:27:18 i have enough drama in my life, not taking that beast on :) May 01 20:27:26 kergoth: ok :) May 01 20:27:28 *g* May 01 20:27:45 kergoth: *fingers crossed* *toi* *toi* *toi* May 01 20:27:55 kergoth: don't start too early with OpenSource! May 01 20:28:06 kergoth: get a boat, do sailing in your spare time May 01 20:28:58 isn't the AZ slogan "but it's a dry heat"? May 01 20:29:09 kergoth: AZ? May 01 20:29:11 * raduga doesn't like AZ heat May 01 20:29:14 dry or otherwise May 01 20:29:26 zecke: short for "AriZona" May 01 20:29:37 raduga: AZ, US? May 01 20:29:41 zecke: southwestern state in the US May 01 20:29:42 yes May 01 20:29:48 between california, and texas May 01 20:29:59 california *home* May 01 20:30:03 north of mexico, full of deserts May 01 20:30:24 zecke: yeah, i moved to az for a job. May 01 20:30:28 raduga: I spend a year in Redlands near San Bernadino ;) May 01 20:30:34 weather forecast says we'll have our first 100 degree (F) weather this week May 01 20:30:51 kergoth: oh, you stopped doing military work? (not that I want to go into depth) May 01 20:30:52 crumbs May 01 20:31:02 it was 106 in the shade when I visited death valley May 01 20:31:06 kergoth: we still have hail and snow over here :-} May 01 20:32:27 zecke: nope, thats what i'm doing out here May 01 20:32:47 kergoth: same project? May 01 20:33:36 or do I get killed for this question? May 01 20:33:42 heh May 01 20:34:00 hears a knocking on this door May 01 20:34:12 hehe. yep, same project. land warrior. May 01 20:34:14 for now anyway May 01 20:35:24 might be worthwhile to create an OE nonprofit. manage project donations, hold the trademark(s), etc May 01 20:35:49 yeah, that would be a good idea May 01 20:36:10 pb_: what about Berlin,Germany as location? May 01 20:36:39 zecke: sounds like an ideal location, though I am concerned about what "manage project donations" might mean in that context May 01 20:37:08 how about Cayman ISlands May 01 20:37:12 pb_: get me flithy rich :} May 01 20:37:12 hehe May 01 20:37:15 somewhere they have lax banking laws May 01 20:37:30 Crofton: yeah, sounds ideal as well May 01 20:38:35 zecke: as I suspected May 01 20:39:02 zecke: we could reuse the cayman accounts we already have May 01 20:39:19 koen: good thinking, saves us another buck for accounting fees May 01 20:39:27 pb_: http://ev.kde.org/corporate/statutes-en.php <- would be my role model May 01 20:39:51 zecke we need 7 people and lawyer May 01 20:40:05 woglinde: not a lawyer, 'Notar' ;) May 01 20:40:09 zecke: I won't mention developer license fees ;) May 01 20:40:17 kergoth: I guess you might as well go ahead and set up a 501(c) corporation there in Arizona. May 01 20:40:28 zecke you trust the lawyer of the kde e.v.? May 01 20:40:58 woglinde: well I don't trust any lawyer May 01 20:41:06 woglinde: but what is so special about KDE e.V.? May 01 20:42:00 pb_: but yes, this is the biggest issue I see May 01 20:42:01 zecke: 13" widescreen macbook pro rumours May 01 20:42:14 zecke: better makes us filthy rich soon :) May 01 20:42:24 koen: psst working on it May 01 20:42:41 zecke: section 3 of the KDE e.V. articles would seem to prohibit giving you all the money. I guess that would be no good for oe. May 01 20:43:14 pb_: with the german e.V. it is harder to make yourself flithy rich May 01 20:43:27 pb_: and you could even stop me :) May 01 20:43:37 zecke: ah drat, again this german efficiency May 01 20:43:38 pb_: e.g. getting enough people to start a 'inpeachment' May 01 20:43:52 zecke: if you get rich, i suggest you continue to bathe May 01 20:43:57 so you don't get too filthy May 01 20:44:23 koen: I think rich, is relative. We could move to another country May 01 20:44:45 yeah May 01 20:44:46 pb_: but again, money is my biggest in forming a foundation/e.V. May 01 20:44:55 zecke: mexico is very nice May 01 20:45:07 Nachos, Tacos, Buritos :) May 01 20:45:13 eh nachos May 01 20:45:21 enchiladas May 01 20:45:25 fajitas May 01 20:45:26 woglinde: we need to go to Mexico City soon again May 01 20:45:30 yes May 01 20:45:44 zecke: money in the sense of paying to set up the e.V., or money in the sense of extracting funds from it afterwards? May 01 20:46:00 pb_: in regard to managing it May 01 20:46:03 zecke: you could try to get an internship at ximian May 01 20:46:15 ~ lard oe for considering that all architetures has a libgcc May 01 20:46:21 damnit May 01 20:46:26 zecke: how much does it cost to run an e.V.? May 01 20:46:35 pb_: costs, none May 01 20:46:45 hm run none May 01 20:46:51 pb_: just founding one takes some paper work, lawyers May 01 20:47:05 but to become a e.V. cost something May 01 20:47:07 pb_: and you want to get 'tax free' May 01 20:47:09 oh, right, that sounds a bit onerous May 01 20:47:29 pb_: and we need 7 people to found one May 01 20:47:43 here in the UK it costs virtually nothing to set up a company. you need to pay an annual filing fee, but that's only ~50EUR. May 01 20:47:49 pb_: e.g. finding 7 locals isn't too hard, but trusting them May 01 20:48:08 pb hm thats sound good, what about tax? May 01 20:48:32 pb_: e.V. = "eingetragener Verein", "registered club". You can not do any business (which is good) May 01 20:48:52 zecke that isnt right May 01 20:49:01 you can do "some" biusness May 01 20:49:22 right, some business May 01 20:49:46 pb_: creating a e.V. is easy (if you have 7 people). Getting 'gemeinnuetzig' is a bit more tricky but doable as well May 01 20:50:24 what's the main difference between the eV and the 501(c)? May 01 20:50:43 koen: it is in Europe, more regulated probably May 01 20:52:13 koen: it is a club, you need to have elections etc. May 01 20:52:21 oooh May 01 20:52:31 koen: this means, If you distrust me, you can run for presidency as well May 01 20:52:45 * koen doesn't want that May 01 20:52:51 being in charge of stuff sucks May 01 20:53:35 koen: you can hire one ;) May 01 20:53:57 cool May 01 20:54:09 as president May 01 20:54:12 zecke: do the 7 people have to be german? May 01 20:54:17 koen: no May 01 20:54:34 koen: (i think not as we have many turkey e.V. as well) May 01 20:54:40 *sigh* there are more variables need for the configure options May 01 20:54:50 static and shared May 01 20:54:51 woglinde: mm, not sure. nominally you pay corporation tax on profits, but I think there are mechanisms for avoiding that in the case of nonprofits. May 01 20:55:17 posix and not posix May 01 20:55:17 koen: e.g. KDE e.V. hold general assemblies in Czech and Spanish the last year May 01 20:56:00 zecke hm I am not sure the founder members must be german May 01 20:57:19 running a corporation is a big pain in the butt, though. you need bylaws, and board members, and meetings, with quorums and minutes, etc. May 01 20:57:49 njs: you do, but those things don't need to be terribly onerous. May 01 20:58:09 you can stipulate that you only need one board meeting a year, and that a single officer is a quorum, if you want. May 01 20:58:47 hmm, and if that single officer votes to give themself all the money? :-) May 01 20:59:18 then he can do exactly that, but one would hope the other officers would attend the meeting if such a motion was proposed. May 01 20:59:22 njs: psst ;) May 01 20:59:48 *shrug* I'd at least look into some of the umbrella non-profits that already exist to do this sort of stuff for FOSS orgs. Like SPI (a few years ago they were having major issues, dunno about now), or there's some new one Bruce Perens just started May 01 21:00:00 njs: if you operate in such a manner May 01 21:00:09 njs: you can still be sued by the general assembly May 01 21:00:34 njs: e.g. you present a report, and if they say the money wasn't spent in a way they wanted it May 01 21:00:42 njs: they can bring you into trouble May 01 21:01:08 yeah, I just remember being surprised at the amount of bureaucratic nonsense everyone involved had to put up with May 01 21:01:28 njs: you don't have one for monotone? May 01 21:01:49 ?? definitely not. May 01 21:01:56 hehe May 01 21:02:25 I guess it's become more common in recent years, but still mostly only big projects (gnome, mozilla, kde, apache, ...) actually have the cycles to deal with it... May 01 21:02:46 njs: don't get me started on mozilla foundation ;) May 01 21:03:09 njs: e.g. we already have project devices (two zaurii models) May 01 21:03:35 njs: and if Liam decides to keep it, or I decided it, we can't do anything about it May 01 21:03:57 njs: for such cases it would be nice to have some more control, and more devices May 01 21:04:49 zecke: we also got poodle from users May 01 21:04:50 nod May 01 21:05:14 njs: do you know if botan is tuned for PPC at all? May 01 21:05:22 (...would a corp. really give you any practical way to enforce that? seems like the hassle and cost of suing to get the device back would be > the cost of the device...) May 01 21:05:34 zecke: hmm, I don't think botan has any asm tuning May 01 21:05:39 zecke: a corporation wouldn't really help in the case of loan devices May 01 21:06:07 pb_: njs : well. We would at least have a formal owner of the device May 01 21:06:25 pb_: njs : and that might be enough to put off people from keeping it May 01 21:06:36 pb_: njs : and it might be easier to get a new one :} May 01 21:06:48 yeah, the last bit is certainly true May 01 21:07:10 I'm not quite so convinced by the deterrent thing, but you might be right :-} May 01 21:08:02 pb_: what is your opinion on copyrigh assignment? May 01 21:08:10 pb_: the GNU project still requires it? May 01 21:08:19 zecke: yes, the gnu project still requires it. May 01 21:08:22 oh, right, this is the one Perens recently started: http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/ May 01 21:08:29 I think it is desirable and appropriate in some circumstances May 01 21:08:50 I don't think that OE's circumstances fit into that category, though, in case that's what you were wondering May 01 21:09:10 pb_: I think the GNU project is more trusted than zeckes,pb_,x OE foundation May 01 21:09:27 copyright assignment is scary. you really _depend_ on the third party being reliable... May 01 21:09:31 zecke: indeed May 01 21:10:14 zecke: it's not a case of the organisation being trustworthy, though, more a question of what they're trying to achieve. May 01 21:10:36 pb_: for KDE I would be happy to assign my copyright to the KDE e.V.. Just because I don't want to be a blocker when I'm not around May 01 21:10:48 for the GNU project, being able to pursue legal action for copyright infringement (or at least make credible threats of doing so) is very important, and they can't do that unless they hold the copyright in all their code. May 01 21:11:07 pb_: 'All' is really required? May 01 21:11:26 pb_: well, with our MIT license I don't think that will ever apply to us May 01 21:12:05 zecke: no, "All" is not absolutely required in all cases, but holding the copyright to all of it removes a source of uncertainty. May 01 21:12:14 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r08f97405... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: preferred-gpe-2.7: synced with .oz354fam083 changes May 01 21:12:34 zecke: indeed, that would be of no interest to OE. May 01 21:13:04 pb_: what is your impression of the KDE by-laws? May 01 21:14:44 Ken|JLime: did the patch work for you? May 01 21:15:23 zecke: let me read them more carefully May 01 21:16:17 (well, better read the german version) May 01 21:16:50 "better" in some very limited sense May 01 21:17:11 I guess the German version is authoritative, but regrettably it is also fairly meaningless to me May 01 21:17:41 that said, now I don't seem to be able to reach the webpage for even the english version May 01 21:18:21 worked here May 01 21:18:43 probably my ISP's stupid proxy server May 01 21:18:51 lol May 01 21:19:33 " Not supporting broken code is not a regresssion." May 01 21:19:45 (as spotted on gnome d-d-l) May 01 21:20:52 url? May 01 21:20:54 d-d-l? May 01 21:21:01 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-May/msg00000.html May 01 21:21:04 desktop-devel-list May 01 21:21:23 about our favourite subject: autotools May 01 21:21:52 koen: lol May 01 21:22:02 with pcmciautils, May 01 21:22:02 koen: well within KDE buildsystem is provided May 01 21:22:12 is pccardctl supposed to be run from the shell? May 01 21:22:12 koen: I can't design a Dual Core Desktop CPU May 01 21:22:17 koen: I use one though May 01 21:22:34 zecke: I'll start a uenserOE project ;) May 01 21:22:35 koen: my 2bit adder would be slow and broken as well... so I'm happy AMD designs the CPU for me May 01 21:22:47 i.e. is it supposed to segfault when run from the shell? (if not... i report to the bugtracker) May 01 21:22:47 koen: unser not uenser ;) May 01 21:23:05 zecke: havent tried it yet, doing an update for my OE.db file, taking awhile May 01 21:23:06 zecke: I always get confused with umlauts :) May 01 21:23:20 koen: not only you May 01 21:24:49 http://www.fastbugtrack.com/?source=img May 01 21:24:55 buzzword overload May 01 21:25:04 " maximize productivity by ensuring continuous communication" May 01 21:25:18 "Manage the Learning Curve" May 01 21:25:30 clicking on ads is fun :) May 01 21:25:56 ok. May 01 21:26:19 is there any pcmcia-utils version of pcmcia-cs' cardctl? May 01 21:27:17 njs: db check, takes longer than a pull. Is that normal? May 01 21:27:24 zecke: hm, ev.kde.org still not working for me. I guess I will have to give up. May 01 21:27:40 pb_: I can paste the text May 01 21:28:08 pb_: don't you have a browser cache? May 01 21:28:16 apparently not one that works May 01 21:28:24 stupid firefox May 01 21:28:25 pb_: http://oe.pastebin.com/693118 May 01 21:28:39 ah, very good May 01 21:31:37 zecke: those look fine, though maybe a bit heavier than oe really needs May 01 21:32:00 pb_: yeah, they are designed to be 'gemein nuetzig' May 01 21:32:13 I think an organisation existing to further oe's aims and/or line zecke's pockets could have much simpler articles May 01 21:32:30 pb_: I seriously consider putting power into creating a foundation May 01 21:32:45 zecke: can you offer me a translation of 'gemein nuetzig'? May 01 21:32:59 pb_: only two issues: distrust when we get money, foundation will be created by not too well known people May 01 21:33:17 i'm looking at bug #365, which is claimed to be fixed, May 01 21:33:22 pb_: "for the common good" May 01 21:33:27 CoreDump|home: ah, thanks May 01 21:33:33 np May 01 21:33:44 pb_: ~non-profit, non-profit-maing, of public utility, non-commecrcial :} May 01 21:33:47 but, bleh, still showing same behavior in 3.5.4.1 rc1 and rc2 May 01 21:34:11 pb_: 'put money in my pocket' would not get gemein-nuetzig and I would have to pay taxes May 01 21:34:21 hrw: do you mind a lot, if I reopen? May 01 21:34:34 pb_: one question about #926 (freetype patch) - all which use freetype need to be rebuilt or only freetype? May 01 21:34:36 reenoo: I'm still building glibc May 01 21:35:00 n8 all May 01 21:35:15 * zecke feels bad for saying these 'flithy rich' things... May 01 21:35:16 zecke: yah, I think the foundation officers would need to be people who are generally held to be trustworthy. in oe circles, that would probably be (for example) kergoth, mickey|exhausted and yourself. May 01 21:35:19 raduga: first check which font you have selected in console May 01 21:35:31 hrw|tv: everything that links with freetype, unfortunately May 01 21:35:41 pb_: yeah, but the founders need to meet in one place to found it May 01 21:35:44 plus cairo and everything that links with it May 01 21:35:51 hrw: default is using dejavu sans mono, still. May 01 21:36:01 pb_: looks like I will need to rebuild whole feed soon May 01 21:36:06 zecke: oh, really? drat. that's not the case in uk law (or, I think, in US law) May 01 21:36:12 the problem goes away when you switch to 'fixed' font May 01 21:36:26 raduga: fixed is dejavu sans mono too May 01 21:36:58 hrw: is "user manually change their font from 'dejavu sans mono' to fixed, at runtime" the planned patch? :) May 01 21:37:01 CosmicPenguin: is there a tool to find out if I have genuine AMD chip? May 01 21:37:08 strange May 01 21:37:10 sorry May 01 21:37:12 let me check May 01 21:37:12 raduga: rebuilding images now - will check on my device May 01 21:37:23 cat /proc/cpuinfo May 01 21:37:24 ? May 01 21:37:28 zecke: maybe you can secure enough donations to ship kergoth to germany. May 01 21:37:33 CosmicPenguin: my +200 Model 10 CPU is slower than a model 8 cpu (less ghz, less bogo mips May 01 21:37:58 CosmicPenguin: AMD 2600+ vs AMD 2800+ and the 2800+ is generally slower (could be my cheap motherboard as well) May 01 21:37:59 hrw: the opie-console defaults to a font that has corruption May 01 21:38:14 wierd May 01 21:38:20 zecke: is it underclocked or something? May 01 21:38:29 hrw: when user changes the font selector in the dropdown from "dejavu_sans_mono" to "fixed" the corruption stops May 01 21:38:31 CosmicPenguin: not that I know of :} May 01 21:38:47 raduga: well they might have an old config entry May 01 21:38:59 raduga: pointing to dejavu_sans_mono May 01 21:39:01 zecke: does the 2800+ have less cache? May 01 21:39:08 some of the amd performance numbers are a bit arbitrary May 01 21:39:17 zecke: both same cache, fsb etc crap? May 01 21:39:22 zecke: question being, re-open the (closed) bug report? May 01 21:39:31 they seem to take some combination of fsb, cache and core speed to generate an "average" performance number. May 01 21:39:40 pb_: twice as much :} May 01 21:39:47 oh, heh May 01 21:39:49 pb_: and it is AMD 2400+ vs. AMD 2600+ May 01 21:39:49 * hrw|tv has 2200+ 6/10/0 (thorton) May 01 21:39:58 strange May 01 21:39:58 zecke: i'm still tyring to understand appropriate/inappropriate use of the tracker May 01 21:40:03 does your BIOS support the 2800? May 01 21:40:16 CosmicPenguin: yes :) May 01 21:40:36 Ok - just checking - I've had that problem before May 01 21:40:41 (or report it as a new bug, or do nothing?) May 01 21:40:59 raduga: what, opie-console font issue? May 01 21:41:05 zecke: yes May 01 21:41:06 CosmicPenguin: well, I blame it on the motherboard for now May 01 21:41:14 zecke: sorry. May 01 21:41:14 raduga: well, did you read what I wrote? May 01 21:41:18 zecke: what type of mobo? May 01 21:41:30 CosmicPenguin: *crappy* ASRock May 01 21:41:45 zecke: sounds more or less plausible, db check is different code that's been tuned a lot less :-) May 01 21:42:02 njs: ah, I thought it would be the same May 01 21:42:25 zecke: Yes. You said 'there might be an old config entry' May 01 21:42:46 and yes, I've already cleared up the corruption on my own install. May 01 21:42:48 it hits a lot of the same code along the way, but the overall strategy is different May 01 21:43:25 raduga: we could switch to a new config key :} May 01 21:43:46 raduga: font does not changed since 3.5.4, same with opie May 01 21:43:57 raduga: so you had a stale config entry? May 01 21:44:09 zecke: apparently, yes May 01 21:44:21 it came with the rc1 and rc2 images though May 01 21:44:30 so not an issue with my own config May 01 21:46:49 is vnc included in oe ? May 01 21:47:50 CSMan: sure May 01 21:52:02 RP: I found the difference :} May 01 21:53:38 oh I need to go to bed now May 01 21:53:45 need to wake up in 6hours again May 01 21:54:00 sweet dreams zecke May 01 21:57:41 * chouimat is away: food May 01 21:57:42 zecke: later May 01 22:00:38 RP: bb.data.update_data( self.configuration.data ) May 01 22:00:39 self.buildDepgraph() May 01 22:00:44 this line is guilty May 01 22:01:45 'night zecke May 01 22:02:34 hmm May 01 22:09:44 oh, hm. just a moment May 01 22:22:59 pb, reenoo: what do you think about such index?: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/.rc2/images/spitz/ May 01 22:27:52 looks neat, though I think I still prefer the way familiar does its install kits. May 01 22:30:14 familiar give tarball with kernel+image? May 01 22:31:39 well, the kernel is inside the image. but yes, you get a tarball with the rootfs, bootloader, bootblaster and any auxiliary files. May 01 22:32:09 will think about it May 01 22:32:25 http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/download.html May 01 22:33:54 nice May 01 22:40:35 * pb_ bedtime now May 01 22:40:36 night night May 01 22:41:33 'night pb_ May 01 22:46:26 'night all May 01 22:50:01 3night May 01 22:58:46 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r74ae0089... 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus: mark my hostap/orinoco patches as hacks May 01 23:40:10 good night May 01 23:59:50 * chouimat is back. May 02 00:31:43 Looking for a mirror of NRCit_cvs.sourceforge.net__20060212.tar.gz.. sf anoncvs is sucking again. May 02 01:24:01 http://www.sweb.cz/Frantisek.Rysanek/battery.html May 02 02:22:12 night May 02 02:58:19 uhmmm.. there's no vnc package in .dev , right ? May 02 02:59:18 i'm up for selling a C3000, any takers? May 02 02:59:33 try ebay =P May 02 02:59:56 eBay is a hassle. i'll do that if no one here is in the market for a C3k May 02 03:03:08 jnc: how much? May 02 03:05:10 i was thinking about $300 May 02 03:05:17 i really want more for it May 02 03:05:42 but $300 is decent, considering i have a leather case ($30) and super nice screen protector on it ($30) May 02 03:05:51 will include the power charger from an C3100 May 02 03:05:53 400mhz ? May 02 03:06:00 yeah, pxa270 May 02 03:06:07 128Mb ? May 02 03:06:10 no May 02 03:06:18 4GB drive, 8mb flash May 02 03:06:23 802.11 ? May 02 03:06:32 none built in May 02 03:06:42 bluetooth ? May 02 03:07:13 none built in. a usb OTG adapter and CF slot are your gadget options :) May 02 03:07:29 ah, i was just describing my h5550 =P May 02 03:07:40 hah May 02 03:07:43 (which is not really mine) May 02 06:23:06 good morning all May 02 06:38:14 <__law__> hi koen May 02 06:39:30 hey __law__ May 02 07:04:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9cdba415... 10/packages/libcroco/libcroco_0.6.1.bb: libcroco: update to 0.6.1 May 02 07:41:46 bonjour May 02 07:41:52 hey Genesis May 02 07:42:44 hey koen :) May 02 08:13:10 morning May 02 08:31:58 morning all May 02 08:32:46 morning all May 02 09:02:28 woohoo! May 02 09:10:30 does anyone know if qpe-gaim is just broken? it appears to come with no transport bindings (i.e. you can't tell it to connect with AIM or Jabber or anything, just put in a user and pass) May 02 09:12:10 kruzr_Zaurus: you have to install the protocols seperately, and this is probably the wrong channel, you should be on # May 02 09:13:36 I don't believe there's anyone in there. May 02 09:13:52 (OZ) May 02 09:14:02 I'll try though. May 02 09:14:05 kruzr_Zaurus: #openzaurus has me at least May 02 09:28:41 bleh May 02 09:28:55 morning May 02 09:30:37 hey hrw May 02 09:30:42 hey May 02 09:30:59 koen|uni: hrw : pb__ : RP : mickey|exhausted : final call for the Survey! May 02 09:31:00 hey zecke May 02 09:31:17 zecke: id still 6? May 02 09:31:20 yes May 02 09:33:47 looks good to me May 02 09:34:11 * hrw do first build at home since dont remember May 02 09:34:37 got PSU from machine used at work to tests May 02 09:36:37 puzlled, I have seen my name dropped May 02 09:36:58 ? May 02 09:37:22 holger == "doing a lot on familiar" May 02 09:37:28 i just applied phils work May 02 09:38:17 ;) May 02 09:38:57 Holger on OE lately, on the oz354x May 02 09:38:58 branch, May 02 09:39:21 1. Holger, 2. oz354x 3. what will familiar get from it May 02 09:39:41 ok. need to find out what is fscked in gnuz... May 02 09:40:19 ~lart gnuz author May 02 09:40:19 * ibot slaps gnuz author upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh May 02 09:41:05 I want to have familiar buildable (that is for sure) May 02 09:41:08 ~lart evolution May 02 09:41:08 * ibot calls evolution on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home May 02 09:41:24 my fam build didn't get far yesterday though... accidently cacneled do_package of glibc :} May 02 09:51:28 speaking about glibc... time to check that qemu build... May 02 09:51:48 bitbake gcc-native-3.4 May 02 09:52:58 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r971c5773... 10/packages/gnuz/gnuz_0.3.bb: gnuz: fixed levels - close #835 May 02 09:53:02 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r84a98cef... 10/packages/gnuz/gnuz_0.3.bb: gnuz: fixed levels - close #835 May 02 09:53:05 ~lart kmail for lack of threaded work May 02 09:53:05 * ibot turns kmail into a lifesized tux doll for lack of threaded work May 02 09:53:09 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9b3935bd... 10/packages/gnuz/gnuz_0.3.bb: gnuz: fixed levels - close #835 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 02 09:59:56 2006