**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 03 09:59:56 2006 May 03 10:01:09 zecke: heh - no worries. My wife is english and reminds me that we have not qualified for Germany World cup. May 03 10:02:28 lrg: mine is scottish and is annoyed with me :-) May 03 10:02:36 hey koen|gprs May 03 10:02:48 ~lart cable internet outtage May 03 10:02:48 * ibot slaps cable internet outtage around with a large trout May 03 10:03:06 hey lrg May 03 10:04:00 zecke: the tinderboo May 03 10:04:02 ugh May 03 10:04:05 zecke: the tinderbox looks nice and green :) May 03 10:36:24 morning all May 03 10:39:02 morning Dirk May 03 10:40:01 hey Liam, thx for your mail May 03 10:41:46 hi lrg May 03 10:41:49 hi zecke May 03 10:42:00 hey pb_ May 03 10:42:02 hi all May 03 10:42:11 hey pb_ May 03 10:42:13 hey ade|desk May 03 10:42:15 hi do13 May 03 10:56:10 hi May 03 10:56:45 koen: can you fix LICENSE of gpe-theme-clearlooks? May 03 10:56:50 hey hrw May 03 10:57:09 hrw: once my cable is back, yes May 03 10:57:33 koen: thx - it is part of images and does not have license... May 03 10:58:18 koen: where is the OE trac again? May 03 10:58:33 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl:3000/trac/timeline May 03 10:59:40 I need to track the history of a file, and that seems the best way to do it May 03 11:00:08 monotone log ? May 03 11:00:28 ~lart cvs.sf.net again May 03 11:00:28 * ibot flings poo at cvs.sf.net again May 03 11:00:36 hmm - packages/slugos-init doesn't seem to be there May 03 11:03:04 monotone log packages/slugos-init/files/initscripts/syslog.file is not very helpful May 03 11:05:38 I'm looking for the equivalent of cvs blame May 03 11:06:28 rwhitby: monotone annotate maybe? May 03 11:07:00 cause syslog.buffer is starting syslog, and syslog.file is trying to start it again, even though the DESTINATION is buffer. And I don't know if that's new or if it's always been that way May 03 11:07:51 hmm - ignore that, I can't read case statements properly :-( May 03 11:23:46 re May 03 11:23:57 hi zecke May 03 11:29:31 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * re60581fd... 10/packages/gpe-today/gpe-today_0.11.bb: gpe-today: added 0.11 May 03 11:29:36 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r09ff4c88... 10/ (12 files in 11 dirs): libgpepimc: added 0.6 May 03 11:29:45 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rab804d79... 10/packages/sliderulez/sliderulez_0.92.bb: sliderules: added 0.92 May 03 11:29:45 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r48c8474f... 10/packages/kexec/ (kexec-tools-1.101/kexec-tools-arm.patch kexec-tools_1.101.bb): kexec-tools: added 0.101 May 03 11:29:49 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rd4fc38fb... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ftpd-topfield: Updated to 0.6.6 May 03 11:32:56 hrw: I'm going to mail you some files May 03 11:33:10 ok May 03 11:33:32 RP: by mistake I added pcmciautils 013 into 3.5.4.1-rc - will push it into .oz354x May 03 11:33:53 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6e4cad22... 10/packages/evince/ (evince/more-no-doc.patch evince_0.5.2.bb): evince: added 0.5.2 May 03 11:33:57 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r9bc0984d... 10/packages/gtkhtml/gtkhtml-3.6_3.6.2.bb: gtkhtml: added 3.6.2 May 03 11:34:37 zecke: will look at them later - national holiday today so I will go out with Ania May 03 11:34:46 hrw: have fun! May 03 11:35:41 thx May 03 11:36:11 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r09825dce... 10/packages/pcmciautils/pcmciautils_013.bb: pcmciautils: added 013 May 03 11:44:12 cu May 03 11:49:33 hi May 03 11:49:41 mickeyl: hey May 03 11:49:51 mickeyl: I have #fixed' shell.py for you May 03 11:50:02 mickeyl: we have a decent scm, we can safely remove unused code ;) May 03 11:50:24 mickeyl: I need your final help on the survey May 03 11:50:43 hi mickeyl May 03 12:09:02 RP: your patch (bb_ncurses) is correct for sure May 03 12:09:12 RP: I will see if the symptoms are cured as well May 03 12:09:41 RP: and I'm lowering the bar, we will commit it without a testcase :} May 03 12:11:51 RP: feel free to commit it to both branches May 03 12:12:43 koen: hi May 03 12:12:50 koen: thanks for the information May 03 12:12:52 EABI spreads May 03 12:16:10 ~hail debian May 03 12:16:17 * ibot bows down to debian and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" May 03 12:20:54 zecke: what kind of help? May 03 12:21:04 hey mickeyl May 03 12:21:20 mickeyl: could you add Eriks key to vanille? May 03 12:21:33 koen: already done. May 03 12:21:37 hi koen May 03 12:21:37 ah, thanks May 03 12:21:47 np, i sent you a copy of the confirmation mail May 03 12:21:51 * koen has a feeling his net connection will be gone soon May 03 12:22:32 my net connection was gone the last ~14 hours, so the uni mx needs to notice it's up again :/ May 03 12:22:38 *nod* May 03 12:23:45 mickeyl: reading, judging May 03 12:25:50 zecke: can you give me the link again? I know I had been missing a question when I read it first, but now I can't remember :/ May 03 12:25:51 zecke: ok, I'll commit it, thanks :) May 03 12:27:10 zecke: You initially said this patch didn't cure the problem you were seeing? Is that still the case? May 03 12:27:26 RP: I had a similiar one (patch) May 03 12:27:48 RP: and it didn't fix my problem, yours doesn't show this issue May 03 12:28:01 RP: so it might have been some other junk in my trunk May 03 12:28:19 zecke: right. I keep having that problem :) May 03 12:28:43 RP: iirc, that update_data() was from a patch you once sent ;) May 03 12:29:36 zecke: No, that one is elsewhere with a createCopy ;-) May 03 12:29:56 zecke: I'd like the change the way bitbake uses these data objections at some point - have configuration.data explicitly passed around rather than being part of cooker. May 03 12:30:20 zecke: In theory this means the shell can then have its own data object which it can peek, poke and refresh as it needs May 03 12:30:59 RP: yeah, start with not passing the cooker to load_bbfile ;) May 03 12:31:04 (one of my local patches) May 03 12:31:31 zecke: Yes :) May 03 12:32:03 zecke: It just did that as it maintained the existing behaviour whilst we could debug the cache. The cache is proving solid so we can start to remove this fluff :) May 03 12:32:52 Has anything changed with respect to INITSCRIPT_PARAMS in the last few months? May 03 12:33:08 rwhitby: not that I'm awre of May 03 12:33:41 Should the following line in busybox_1.01.bb still disable the syslog init script (cause slugos has it's own syslog init scripts): May 03 12:33:45 INITSCRIPT_PARAMS_${PN}_slugos = "start 20 ." May 03 12:35:11 rwhitby: Does that do damage to a flash filesystem or something? May 03 12:35:35 rwhitby: dunno :} May 03 12:36:00 rwhitby: the override looks 'right' May 03 12:36:15 rwhitby: which version of bitbake do you use? May 03 12:36:22 slugos-init has syslog.buffer, syslog.file and syslog.network, which do slightly different things. I'm not exactly sure why, but the intention is that that line disables busybox's syslog init script in rc3.d in favour of slugos-init scripts in rcS.d May 03 12:36:30 zecke: stable 1.4 branch May 03 12:37:00 rwhitby: these are two overrides May 03 12:37:26 zecke: No, only one - ${PN} is not an override May 03 12:37:45 although it could be made into one by the iniscript code, I don't know... May 03 12:39:00 ok, slugos has it's own because we want buffer to start early (S11), file to start later (S39) and syslog to the network to start after we bring the network up (S44), all in rcS.d May 03 12:39:44 whereas the standard busybox one doesn't start syslog until rc3.d May 03 12:40:00 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * rde63c2c0... 10/packages/udev/ (files/udev_network_queue.sh files/network.sh udev_084.bb): udev: Do not start any NICs before /etc/init.d/network is run and /var/ is populated May 03 12:40:03 so we use that line to disable the busybox one, but it doesn't seem to be working any more. May 03 12:40:05 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r707e469f... 10/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit/rcS-default: rcS-default: Add VOLATILE_ENABLE_CACHE=yes to /etc/default/rcS May 03 12:40:10 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * rd752357d... 10/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.bb: sysvinit_2.86.bb: Bump PR May 03 12:40:14 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r6fa723a6... 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/populate-volatile.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): May 03 12:40:14 initscripts: Speed up populate-volatiles.sh by caching the command produced by the script. Run times on an idle system: May 03 12:40:14 old version: 7.6s May 03 12:40:15 new version: 4.5s (no chache) May 03 12:40:16 new version: 0.9s (with cache) May 03 12:40:19 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * ra083def8... 10/packages/udev/ (files/udev_network_queue.sh files/network.sh udev_084.bb): udev: Do not start any NICs before /etc/init.d/network is run and /var/ is populated May 03 12:40:23 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * ra9223b60... 10/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit/rcS-default: rcS-default: Add VOLATILE_ENABLE_CACHE=yes to /etc/default/rcS May 03 12:40:27 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r497dc54d... 10/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.bb: sysvinit_2.86.bb: Bump PR May 03 12:40:30 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r78a66f0d... 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/populate-volatile.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): May 03 12:40:32 initscripts: Speed up populate-volatiles.sh by caching the command produced by the script. Run times on an idle system: May 03 12:40:36 old version: 7.6s May 03 12:40:38 new version: 4.5s (no chache) May 03 12:40:40 new version: 0.9s (with cache) May 03 12:41:55 sorry, busybox inits syslog for rc[2,3,4,5].d May 03 12:42:15 rwhitby: sure _${PN} is an override May 03 12:42:18 but slugos wants it up and running as soon as possible in rcS May 03 12:42:22 RP: sure _${PN} is an override May 03 12:42:35 RP: some people put ${PN} in the OVERRIDES ;) May 03 12:42:51 anyway :) May 03 12:43:25 zecke: if your .bb create more than one PACKAGE, that is actually quite common =) May 03 12:43:54 CoreDump|home: sure but ${PN}_other :) May 03 12:45:06 I always thought that was a legal command May 03 12:45:13 CoreDump|home: sure, it is May 03 12:45:26 CoreDump|home: but you hope _other gets expanded before ${PN} May 03 12:45:35 hmmm May 03 12:45:40 So did something change in bitbake such that it doesn't work any more? May 03 12:45:41 why would it matter? May 03 12:46:27 rwhitby: It shouldn't have done but it is possible something got broken. zecke did more work on that area of the code than me though ;-) May 03 12:46:31 rwhitby: can you confirm it is definately not working? May 03 12:47:37 zecke: yes, and RP can verify in his debianslug build - he will have syslog init in both rcS.d (from slugos-init) and rc[2,3,4,5].d (from busybox) - just look in tmp/rootfs/etc/ May 03 12:48:08 busybox.postinst has "update-rc.d $D syslog defaults" May 03 12:48:42 when that override line should change that to something which disables that update-rc.d May 03 12:48:46 rwhitby: okay, bitbake 'bug' May 03 12:49:13 zecke: thank goodness. it was driving me mad. And it's the last issue blocking our SlugOS 3.x binary release :-) May 03 12:49:23 rwhitby: oh sorry :} May 03 12:49:52 rwhitby: downgrade bitbake, and please confirm it worked (just building this package) May 03 12:50:10 rwhitby: or wait for RPs patch and see if it changed anything May 03 12:50:34 zecke: ok, but that will have to be tomorrow night - I'm in trouble with my better half already for staying up too late :-) May 03 12:50:54 rwhitby: sleep well, it might be fixed by tomorrow :} May 03 12:51:00 Thanks all for listening and confirming that it could be a bitbake bug. May 03 12:52:08 * rwhitby is glad that RP should be able to reproduce it locally ... May 03 12:53:43 thanks and good night May 03 12:54:12 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra2313a85... 10/conf/machine/nokia770.conf: nokia770.conf: clean up a bit May 03 13:00:15 rwhitby: I can see the same problem in my slugos build May 03 13:00:49 RP: it is the way one iterates in update_data May 03 13:00:53 RP: we did: May 03 13:00:58 for each key in the dict: May 03 13:01:02 for each override: May 03 13:01:13 check if key ends with override May 03 13:01:15 now we do May 03 13:01:19 for each override: May 03 13:01:33 get key for this override: May 03 13:01:39 for each key in override May 03 13:01:44 -> performaance boost May 03 13:01:55 hmm :-/ May 03 13:07:56 what 'hmm'? May 03 13:08:08 This code has a comment like May 03 13:08:27 "Let us see which assumptions breaks " May 03 13:08:38 I remember reading it... May 03 13:09:34 well now we know it :) May 03 13:09:43 I had hoped to release bitbake 1.4.2 tonight May 03 13:10:14 Looks like another bug to fix first :-/ May 03 13:10:37 koen: Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vim70d/syntax/syntax.vim: May 03 13:10:39 Line 42 May 03 13:10:46 I need syntax highlighting! May 03 13:12:25 blame debian May 03 13:21:46 koen: can't I blame canada? May 03 13:22:58 sure May 03 13:24:37 why? we have syntax highlighting for every language May 03 13:24:56 emte: you are from canada? May 03 13:25:05 well definately not my day today... May 03 13:25:07 hi May 03 13:27:24 lol May 03 13:27:48 zecke, did you confirm if you fixed that bug yet so i can reclose it? May 03 13:28:28 otherwise i'll have to afectionally call it the "airplane bug" May 03 13:28:51 any idea why my mmc card is being mounted in /media/mmcblk0 with the last couple of kernel versions? May 03 13:29:35 emte: no May 03 13:29:42 emte: I'm not past glibc building May 03 13:29:57 It happens with the kernel I built last night using the oz354x branch May 03 13:30:21 Bernardo: isn't that an udev change? May 03 13:30:33 zecke, okay May 03 13:30:38 * Bernardo also needs to build a strace for his akita tonight, to find why "hcitool info" is giving a i/o error May 03 13:31:14 koen: no idea... I didn't have the time this weekend to help you guys as I got "recruited" to help fencing the backyard May 03 13:31:42 and I just did a monotone update and rebuilt all stuff for oz354x branch last night May 03 13:32:00 Bernardo: probably your fstab is missing an entry for /media/mmcblk0 May 03 13:32:02 let me see the udev rules May 03 13:32:09 emte: once I got home, I did my physics assignment and went to bed May 03 13:32:12 CoreDump|home: probably May 03 13:32:22 whee physics :( May 03 13:32:28 CoreDump|home: I'm just using the default one May 03 13:32:35 emte: simple stuff (minor) May 03 13:32:36 i cannot say i miss doing it May 03 13:32:42 i prefer math May 03 13:33:05 udev's auto-mounter only gets active for devices that are not configured in fstab, so that's the place to have a look ;) May 03 13:33:07 CoreDump|home: you were right, it has a entry for mmcblk0p1 and not for mmcblk0 May 03 13:33:21 emte: I considered that as well May 03 13:33:27 its all maclaurin this morn May 03 13:33:40 * Bernardo is just looking at his akita in the interval of trying to sort a 1300+ tasks project May 03 13:34:15 well, now to fight bluetooth... May 03 13:37:32 hrw|gone: licenses added May 03 13:37:55 * emte curses at silly socket May 03 13:40:21 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r36c85029... 10/packages/gpe-themes/ (5 files): gpe-themes: add license = gpl May 03 13:42:27 you know ... i have always wondered how themes can be gpl ... May 03 13:42:46 because they were part of gtk-engines, which is gpl May 03 13:42:51 since i am pretty sure images cannot be licensed that way May 03 13:42:54 it sucks, but I couldn't avoid it May 03 13:43:16 then again its not src code May 03 13:46:34 mickeyl: good morning May 03 13:51:07 RP: rwhitbies bug is easy ;) May 03 13:51:39 strangest thing, bluetooth only starts working for me if I restart it after a reboot (on the akita) May 03 13:51:44 then it asks for pin, etc. May 03 13:53:33 <_law_> Bernardo, gpe or opie ? May 03 13:53:55 <_law_> Bernardo, it doesnt work after a suspend or? May 03 13:54:26 _law_: opie May 03 13:54:43 after a suspend, I need to eject and reinsert the card May 03 13:54:57 <_law_> Bernardo, so you have got a nokia card? May 03 13:55:07 but I also need to stop and start bluetooth to get it to ask for the pin May 03 13:55:22 a Socket rev E May 03 13:55:27 * emte curses and curses at solderless smt sockets May 03 13:55:29 which uses the nokia driver May 03 13:56:22 <_law_> Bernardo, i have got a suspend/resume script after that suspend/resume should work. May 03 13:57:15 that would be nice May 03 13:57:35 but the bluetooth start/stop problem is different May 03 13:58:00 it's like hcid doesn't read /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf at start, only after a stop/start May 03 13:59:43 <_law_> Bernardo, http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/bluetooth May 03 14:00:08 <_law_> bbl May 03 14:06:24 bbl May 03 14:19:06 oh well those new MMC patches didnt fix my write problem :( May 03 14:19:43 RP: rwhitbies issue is with PN May 03 14:19:59 RP: OVERRIDES are expanded PN -> syslog/busybox May 03 14:20:09 RP: this might not be saved expanded in OVERRIDES May 03 14:22:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r04100da5... 10/packages/python/ (python-pyqt4_0.9.bb python-pyqt4_0.9.2.bb): pyqt4: build against Qt 4.1.2 May 03 14:22:36 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rddc2ba34... 10/packages/python/ (python-2.4.3/sitebranding.patch python_2.4.3.bb): python 2.4.3: add some hints to site.py about what built this version and who is maintaining it May 03 14:23:19 zecke: You know this code better than I do :). Can we fix it easily? May 03 14:25:40 zecke: I've added fixes for that update_data issue May 03 14:26:05 thanks May 03 14:33:17 morning May 03 14:33:32 RP: We need to update_data with overrides expanded and fall back to unexpanded May 03 14:33:49 RP: e.g. if we have ${PN} in the OVERRIDE May 03 14:33:53 PN = foo May 03 14:34:14 RP: and INIT_SCRIPTS_PARAM_${PN} May 03 14:34:20 we do fail badly correctly May 03 14:34:48 RP: I fear before applying a patch I need to create infrastructure :} May 03 14:37:59 zecke: It does sound like a tricky problem... May 03 14:38:20 RP: well, the biggest issue, update_data/OVERRIDES is so fundamental May 03 14:38:43 RP: and not tested too carefully that we can not know the side-effects of the change :} May 03 14:39:19 RP: for rwhitby I assume this issue was present in bitbake 1.3 as well May 03 14:39:45 RP: stupid, question could you test a change to the update-rc bbclass? May 03 14:40:15 zecke: We do need some testing infrastructure to spot these things :-/ May 03 14:40:17 I can try... May 03 14:40:20 overrides = bb.data.getVar("OVERRIDES", localdata, 1) May 03 14:40:20 bb.data.setVar("OVERRIDES", "%s:%s" % (pkg, overrides), localdata) May 03 14:40:33 is currently at the bottom in update-rc.bbclass May 03 14:41:10 right May 03 14:41:28 forget it :} May 03 14:41:48 I wanted to save ${PN} unexpanded, but you can't do that ;) May 03 14:41:57 * RP wipes knowledge of update-rc.bbclass from memory May 03 14:42:19 well, I will be home at around ~20h May 03 14:42:24 I hope to have some time then May 03 14:42:33 (no assignments to do) May 03 14:42:48 I have another silly evening from a spare time point of view :-/ May 03 14:43:46 RP: a deadline ahead? May 03 14:44:43 zecke: No, just things I need to do... May 03 14:44:57 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r79c6311b... 10/packages/qt/ (8 files in 2 dirs): add qt4-x11 4.1.2 May 03 14:45:34 hehe, don't remind me of that May 03 14:45:45 7 tests and I'm 90% done with uni :} May 03 14:46:05 well probably the famous 80% then... whatever May 03 14:53:46 RP: I think we should start the survey now as well May 03 14:53:59 zecke: Fine with me May 03 14:54:01 survey! May 03 14:54:19 to update the website I used my super-girl powers on hh.org? May 03 14:54:23 I use... May 03 14:54:33 if you are in proj_oe, yes May 03 14:54:50 koen: I'm now, thanks to george May 03 14:54:54 zecke: heh May 03 14:55:06 zecke: and why aren't I in that group? May 03 14:55:16 koen: did you ask as friendly as I did? May 03 14:55:40 zecke: yes, repeatedly, for months May 03 14:55:57 I bet it's almost 'years' now May 03 14:56:58 zecke: funny how a dozen HP employees are part of proj_oe, but not the OE core devs May 03 14:57:23 koen: hmm, this back fires ;) May 03 14:57:45 koen: my reasoning was 'George is a nice guy, we can play with him, even in our team' ;) May 03 14:58:46 zecke: so you can add me to proj_oe? May 03 14:59:06 or get me added May 03 14:59:15 since I *need* access to the website May 03 14:59:20 yes, *need* May 03 14:59:30 koen: oh you still have your hh.org account? May 03 14:59:32 nice to know May 03 14:59:44 zecke: it's still disabled May 03 15:00:00 koen: do you promise, to at least try to get a long with george ;) May 03 15:00:06 zecke: even after people explained george that it needs to be enabled again May 03 15:00:39 zecke: as long as my hh.org account is disabled, I will continue to be an asshat May 03 15:00:52 koen: it is in our all interest in having a friendly environment! May 03 15:01:01 zecke: right! May 03 15:01:04 koen: being an asshat ( I know how easy this can be ) is not an option May 03 15:01:34 zecke: if some other asshat (george) disabled my account after saying "koen will get blasted", it *is* the only option May 03 15:01:42 koen: Your feuding with hh.org, familar and oesf isn't doing you, OE's or OZ's reputation any good :-( May 03 15:02:44 17:11 < koen> zecke: as long as my hh.org account is disabled, I will continue to be an asshat May 03 15:02:48 there May 03 15:04:46 koen: I need to run out of the door, I know how easily I can get upset May 03 15:07:13 koen: OESF sucks ;), having a hh.org account disabled sucks May 03 15:07:20 koen: world sucks, live with it ;) May 03 15:08:09 I could live with it, if I wouldn't need to access the oe website from the filesystem May 03 15:08:13 but I do need to May 03 15:08:38 and since I'm being listed as 'core dev' I should be able to May 03 15:08:53 koen: right! May 03 15:09:01 so fix that May 03 15:09:13 and as a bonus get a nicer koen in return May 03 15:09:21 can't get any easier May 03 15:09:23 koen: at least try to behave ;) May 03 15:09:54 17:11 < koen> zecke: as long as my hh.org account is disabled, I will continue to be an asshat May 03 15:10:11 and give back my lollypop! May 03 15:10:25 koen: and don't insist on apologies and such May 03 15:10:32 koen: this is bringing us nowhere May 03 15:10:44 I didn't say that May 03 15:10:45 I said May 03 15:10:46 17:11 < koen> zecke: as long as my hh.org account is disabled, I will continue to be an asshat May 03 15:11:35 koen: hehe, this is a infinite circle, break it and everything will be fine May 03 15:11:55 koen: you don't need to promise it to reenoo, george, any other fam guy May 03 15:12:07 koen: just say, I think I manage to be not an asshat May 03 15:12:17 koen: and then I will do my best to have you listed in proj_oe May 03 15:12:31 I think I'll manage to be not an asshat May 03 15:12:38 zecke: and proj_kernel May 03 15:12:44 wonderfull :) May 03 15:13:04 koen: I'm heading now to my physics class, will took at 20:30h to geroge May 03 15:13:09 thanks May 03 15:13:13 koen: I hope you didn't have your fingers crossed May 03 15:13:18 very good May 03 15:13:21 I didn't May 03 15:13:24 all hail zecke May 03 15:13:36 RP: SCR stuff works well, finally got my sd card back off work mate ... tested working a charm .. a little slow but i can live with that :) May 03 15:17:26 koen: May 03 15:17:38 if i ever get an hh.org account, and yours is still disabled, May 03 15:17:42 you can use mine. May 03 15:17:44 ade|desk: Excellent :) May 03 15:17:55 (until someone gets annoyed and disables that one too) May 03 15:18:09 cya May 03 15:18:46 RP: many thanks, i now have a functioning 1gb sd May 03 15:21:15 ade|desk: Its a kind of a hacked work around but if the card works, that's the main thing :). I can put pressure on mainline to address the issue differently... May 03 15:24:11 CoreDump|afk: your changes may be faster, but my /var is now not populated :-( May 03 15:26:06 CoreDump|afk: preventing a working boot May 03 15:26:47 ~lart lack of testing in core stuff May 03 15:26:48 * ibot decapitates lack of testing in core stuff conan the destroyer style May 03 15:27:21 is there a easy cmdline for rotate or invert screen ? May 03 15:27:38 for X May 03 15:28:00 xrandr -o left May 03 15:28:23 xrandr -x May 03 15:28:25 or similar May 03 15:29:11 hmm lol , alas seems not to do anything May 03 15:29:34 what rotations and reflections does xrandr (with no arguments) say are supported? May 03 15:30:39 current rotation - invertect, rotations possible - normal left inverted right May 03 15:31:46 hi May 03 15:33:39 odd. I guess your xserver must be defective. May 03 15:34:14 its not that thing where if you change date from 1970->present xrandr stops working? May 03 15:34:34 what's up with the "scanning single-quoted string" error? May 03 15:35:09 XorA: i guess so May 03 15:35:13 hmm May 03 15:35:56 XorA: any known work around ? May 03 15:36:07 ade|desk: restart X May 03 15:36:57 hasta la vista bambino May 03 15:42:27 ok thats better May 03 15:43:19 giel: your bitbake and OE probably don't match May 03 15:44:30 koen: i got both just now May 03 15:44:52 koen: that is, i updated everything May 03 15:50:35 CoreDump|afk: you sed magic is looking for 6 args in /etc/defaults/volatile there are only 5 there May 03 15:52:15 CoreDump|afk: /etc/default/volatiles/00_core sorry, you seem to be assuming every line is a link with source and target, it is obviously not, can you please fix ASAP May 03 16:44:01 good morning kergoth May 03 16:44:06 hey May 03 16:47:32 Hmm. When building 'meta-sdk', the resulting oe-sdk-blabla.tar.bz2 is supposed to be extracted to root dir (as it has subdir /usr, /usr/lib/ipkg..., /usr/local/...). But what if I would wan't to install two oe-sdk:s at the same time? May 03 16:47:52 SInce I got one oe-sdk for the x86 arch (I'm running familiar on x86, using xnest and chroot) May 03 16:48:06 and I just would like to "swap" toolchains when I decide to compile for arm May 03 16:48:50 If I simply extract the oe-sdk-bblabla.tar.bz2's, the latter will overwrite /usr/lib/ipkg directory May 03 16:49:27 and I'm not sure what those files in /usr/lib/ipkg/ do May 03 16:50:18 I can play with symlinks, but I would just like to know, do I have to :) May 03 16:50:28 in what stage are those files accessed. May 03 17:04:46 My current bb file for imkit-anthy fails quite late in the process (at do_package). There is no rule to make target "install". I guess OE does not know where to install the files. How can I help it? May 03 17:06:32 Laibsch: sounds like you need to write a custom do_install() method. May 03 17:06:40 you need to write a custom install method May 03 17:06:44 the standard one just calls "make install", which apparently doesn't work with your package. May 03 17:06:45 hi pb_ May 03 17:06:49 hail mickeyl May 03 17:06:57 Laibsch: did you have a look at my try in nonworking? May 03 17:07:04 no May 03 17:07:19 I hear about nonworking for the first time. May 03 17:07:25 ah May 03 17:07:34 Cockroach-: you can ignore the files in /usr/lib/ipkg. they are spurious. May 03 17:07:41 it doesn't matter if one copy gets overwritten by the other May 03 17:08:03 you might want to file a bug against meta-sdk requesting that they be eliminated May 03 17:08:12 * pb_ stabs evolution May 03 17:08:19 Laibsch: when I heard of your problems with do_compile, I had a shot at imkit and when it failed during compiling because of outdated c++ syntax, I commited the file into nonworking/imkit/ May 03 17:08:29 Laibsch: guess you should subscribe oe-commits :) May 03 17:08:49 pb_: Ok, thanks May 03 17:09:04 mickeyl: ;-) May 03 17:09:15 makes my job so much easier, screw symbolic links and scripts \0/ May 03 17:09:54 anyone familiar with the state of Micrel KS-8695P support in 2.6 ? May 03 17:10:02 * mickeyl needs to get a board working May 03 17:10:29 mickeyl: What is nonworking? A branch, a dir, something else? Where do I find it? May 03 17:10:35 Laibsch: a directory May 03 17:10:41 packages/nonworking May 03 17:10:56 All right, I'll take a look. May 03 17:11:16 cool. how did you overcome the c++ problem? May 03 17:11:53 mickeyl: I just compiled it. I did not do anyhting. What version did you use? May 03 17:11:59 hmm May 03 17:12:04 g++ 4.0.2 here May 03 17:12:08 I do not yet have nonworking/imkit. May 03 17:12:09 imkit 0.4.0-pre2 May 03 17:12:16 Need to do an update of OE. May 03 17:12:21 *nod* May 03 17:12:23 it's in .dev only May 03 17:12:45 mickeyl: I used 0.4.5. Compiled no prob but failed to do_package. May 03 17:12:51 oh May 03 17:12:55 where do you get 0.4.5 from? May 03 17:13:03 mickeyl: I have .dev and .oz354x May 03 17:14:01 "http://prdownloads.sourceforge.jp/zaurus-ja/9316/imkit-0.4.5.tar.gz" - says ma bb file. May 03 17:14:12 hmm interesting May 03 17:14:20 on the page there is only 0.4.0-pre2 announced May 03 17:14:30 * Laibsch getting all excited. May 03 17:14:31 http://zaurus-ja.sourceforge.jp/imkit-anthy.html.en, that is May 03 17:14:55 Yes, the pages have not been updated for ages. I went to the project page and found the newer release. May 03 17:15:01 heh, good thinking May 03 17:16:32 "Getting a copy of the OE 'plans'." on the getting started page is oddly worded. I don't believe i've seen the metadata referred to as plans elsewhere May 03 17:16:56 Laibsch: 0.4.5 still bails out for me May 03 17:17:07 Wow, you have a fast computer. May 03 17:17:16 You mean it does not compile? May 03 17:17:18 let me pastebin May 03 17:17:26 OK. May 03 17:17:46 http://pastebin.com/696479 May 03 17:19:48 http://rafb.net/paste/results/rPhny842.html for the OE compile results and http://rafb.net/paste/results/bIZQGe23.html for the bb file (I just used the anthy_6801.bb as a template) May 03 17:20:38 mickeyl: Yours look bad ;-) May 03 17:21:02 hmm May 03 17:21:10 are you sure that yours is doing anything sensible? May 03 17:21:18 no May 03 17:21:32 I have no clue what it is doing ;-) May 03 17:21:33 to my knowledge, imkit-anthy isn't using autotools May 03 17:21:35 Let me check May 03 17:22:08 But shouldn't it bail out earlier then with "no rule to make target" or some such? May 03 17:22:33 that depends May 03 17:22:40 if there's no Makefile at all, it won't bail out May 03 17:23:11 since there are .pro files all over, I recommend using one of the qmake derived bb classes May 03 17:23:18 i guess my .bb file is the proper attempt :) May 03 17:23:24 now just needs someone fixing the template problems May 03 17:23:52 first thing when you write a .bb file is finding out which build system it uses May 03 17:24:06 since there is no ./configure.* in the tarball autotools is not likely May 03 17:29:19 OK May 03 17:29:22 I will update and see if I can do anything May 03 17:29:25 thanks May 03 17:29:35 I'll mv 0.4.0 to 0.4.5 now May 03 17:29:37 No, thank you. May 03 17:29:40 :) May 03 17:31:32 g'day kergoth May 03 17:33:41 hey pb_ May 03 17:34:01 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r6c472154... 10/packages/nonworking/imkit/ (imkit_0.4.0-pre2.bb imkit_0.4.5.bb): imkit: update to 0.4.5, still no compily May 03 17:34:57 hi kergoth May 03 17:37:36 hi folks May 03 17:37:40 Can anyone tell me if there is support for SD wifi cards in OZ for the SL-C3x00? May 03 17:38:14 no May 03 17:38:19 he mickeyl May 03 17:38:20 not now and probably never May 03 17:38:23 hi woglinde May 03 17:38:47 hm May 03 17:38:54 long explanation: no specs, closed source protocol extensions, foo bar. May 03 17:38:57 :D May 03 17:39:11 mickeyl but you can buy a stack for it? May 03 17:39:29 I kind of want to get an SL-C3000 but am not sure about the whole "ginormous wifi card jutting out the side" thing May 03 17:39:34 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * rb9f97123... 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/volatiles initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: Add forgotten volatiles cset May 03 17:39:38 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r55cbddab... 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/volatiles initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: Add forgotten volatiles cset May 03 17:39:50 ... O_o May 03 17:40:05 g'morning May 03 17:40:29 woglinde: yes, you can buy a closed source stack tailered for 2.4-embedix which is of little use in practice because it OOPses like hell May 03 17:40:30 heh May 03 17:40:40 so, I'm curious May 03 17:40:55 how is it that we run a 2.6.x kernel on SL-C3x00? May 03 17:41:18 it doesn't come with 2.6, does it? May 03 17:41:32 mickeyl hehe May 03 17:41:35 mickeyl: someone i know at ti was telling the folks in #elinux the other day that ti and motorola had applied pressure and caused sdio info to be released soon May 03 17:41:42 * kergoth hasnt heard anything since then though May 03 17:41:48 StarKruzr: you know the difference between SD and SDio? May 03 17:42:09 I do May 03 17:42:26 but there's no SD support for Collie if you were to use 2.6 either. May 03 17:42:26 kergoth: sounds cool. of course the standard access protocol won't buy us anything unless the card specific command sets are published as well... May 03 17:42:39 StarKruzr: which is an artifact of the same situation. closed source May 03 17:42:45 right May 03 17:42:48 CoreDump|afk: YAY May 03 17:43:08 bbl, dinner time May 03 17:43:22 but so why is there 2.6.x support in Spitz for SD? May 03 17:43:27 (but not SDio, apparently) May 03 17:43:46 kergoth: http://www.sdcard.org/sdio/Simplified%20SDIO%20Card%20Specification.pdf May 03 17:44:00 because the speca are open May 03 17:44:03 ups specs May 03 17:44:05 he koen May 03 17:44:06 StarKruzr: the xscale units already had a driver. the collie units used a sharp proprietary chip to control it May 03 17:44:08 hey woglinde May 03 17:44:17 the only info on it is sitting in a pdf somewhere on my hd May 03 17:44:24 * kergoth hides May 03 17:44:57 heh May 03 17:45:04 is it in english? May 03 17:45:28 kergoth: btw., I'll sent you a mail about that. did you get that? May 03 17:45:30 only what that one guy translated for us back in the day May 03 17:45:34 s/I'll/I/ May 03 17:45:35 cant recall his name May 03 17:45:36 hah i remember that May 03 17:45:43 yeah, old school May 03 17:45:45 kergoth: ah, I see. gotcha. May 03 17:45:51 back when i was first learning kernel stuffs :) May 03 17:47:00 * StarKruzr glances over this PDF May 03 17:47:31 this is pretty much everything you need, except for, as mickeyl said, the card-specific command sets, isn't it? May 03 17:47:35 kergoth: heh, right, you should get your finger out and write a driver for that thing May 03 17:48:07 block diagrams? May 03 17:48:12 what the hell May 03 17:48:48 * koen stabs darcs May 03 17:49:05 pb_: yea, should be pretty straightforward. twiddle some registers on the locomo and install a handler for the card insertion interrupt May 03 17:49:12 yah May 03 17:49:17 and i do have motivation again for the first time in ages.. May 03 17:49:20 now to find taht pdf :P May 03 17:49:23 kergoth: what are you writing a driver for? May 03 17:49:35 some one should tell the sd Card Association that blockdiagramms is old crap May 03 17:49:35 yeah. strike while the iron is hot, carpe diem and all that. May 03 17:49:45 hehe May 03 17:49:55 StarKruzr: thinking about doing collie sdmmc for 2.6 May 03 17:50:11 YAYYYYY May 03 17:50:16 * StarKruzr breakdances May 03 17:50:30 (I have a collie, in case you hadn't guessed) May 03 17:50:47 StarKruzr: do you actually have specifications for a SDIO card? May 03 17:51:04 Otherwise, its a fools errand May 03 17:51:13 I mean, it will be nice to read the CIS and all, but its not useful May 03 17:51:36 well, the point is to be able to use the SD slot under 2.6, no? May 03 17:52:03 I dunno about yours, but my collie still runs 2.4 :) May 03 17:52:35 StarKruzr: this driver would only get you sd/mmc storage, not sdio May 03 17:53:03 I guess that's the same as 2.4 though, so presumably not a problem for you May 03 17:53:44 http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/augusteijn99sorting.html is pretty neat. never thought about it that way. (views quicksort and heapsort as binary trees) May 03 17:53:49 * kergoth hmms May 03 17:54:48 quilt mail has its issues May 03 17:55:54 hates algorithms forever, precioussss May 03 17:56:28 pb_: iirc the slot isn't SDIO-capable anyway May 03 17:56:31 not on Collie May 03 17:56:32 hehe May 03 17:56:43 ah, yeah, I guess maybe it isn't. May 03 17:56:51 yeah iirc it uses SPI mode to access it, or somesuch May 03 17:56:54 * kergoth kicks his memory May 03 17:57:12 mm, right, spi is what I remember too for the collie May 03 17:57:21 it'll come to you. you're just missing your cache. May 03 17:58:48 more like lacking an index for it. its just one big binary blob with no means of looking up specific elements other than through random searching May 03 17:59:13 hey Ifaistos May 03 17:59:31 hello ! May 03 17:59:40 koen : hi ! May 03 18:00:03 kergoth: if you're the overlocking type, there's always caffeine... May 03 18:00:24 raduga: kergoth has caffeine for blood May 03 18:01:17 hail zecke May 03 18:01:21 koen : I am looking into getting some sort of eclipse support for OE May 03 18:01:25 he zecke May 03 18:01:30 Ifaistos: that'd be nice May 03 18:01:38 ifaistos he go for it May 03 18:01:38 (even if I stopped using eclipse) May 03 18:01:38 koen : Nothing fancy at the moment... May 03 18:01:45 koen hm why? May 03 18:01:46 hey zecke May 03 18:02:04 woglinde: I don't have to use java any longer :) May 03 18:02:27 koen hm and for c/c++ it isnt good? May 03 18:02:39 ~caffeine May 03 18:02:40 rumour has it, caffeine is the nectar of the gods in concentrated form or the jiuce which runs through our veins May 03 18:02:42 woglinde: hey May 03 18:02:45 woglinde: I don't use those either May 03 18:02:45 woglinde: *muede* May 03 18:03:05 Yeah star gate starts, in time home May 03 18:04:36 zecke: you wouldn't have a darcs fetcher lying around, would you? May 03 18:05:23 I feel cheated on May 03 18:05:31 Stargate Atlantis season 1 May 03 18:05:48 season 1? May 03 18:06:20 I'm waiting for season 3 May 03 18:06:40 koen: I'm still waiting for season two :} May 03 18:06:46 koen: I had hoped it launched today May 03 18:08:24 zecke no way, we are always cheated by the tv-stations May 03 18:08:36 woglinde: now they repeat the 1st season May 03 18:10:20 woglinde: xkwmsmpo May 03 18:10:27 woglinde: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/72662 May 03 18:10:30 *yipee* May 03 18:10:37 free internet for cripples like me May 03 18:11:07 just need to move to stuttgart :} May 03 18:11:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r84f88bab... 10/packages/telepathy/telepathy-gabble_20060503.bb: telepathy-gabble: add 20060503 snapshot May 03 18:15:28 kergoth: If I can help with collie, let me know. The collie 2.6 kernel generated by OE shouldn't be too far from the current working position as I think most bits of Pavel's git tree are now in mainline May 03 18:15:51 okay, cool. gonna have to poke around a bit, i'm so behind on kernel developments May 03 18:17:12 kergoth: you're not that far behind May 03 18:17:29 ow, just hit my finger with a hammer by mistake May 03 18:17:33 I hate it when that happens May 03 18:17:36 :( May 03 18:17:41 kergoth: i still have a 1.1.x box somewhere at home May 03 18:17:56 hehe May 03 18:19:26 toshiba laptop. May 03 18:19:57 trouble is, the power supply is so shot that it won't even make it to post anymore May 03 18:20:46 kergoth: I have a collie but haven't done much with it. If it starts to look like a feasible device for 2.6 again, I might be tempted into helping sort its kernel out. May 03 18:21:22 course i need to get moved out of this hotel into an apt, and get my furniture and my zaurii and everything else moved out here, then we'll see May 03 18:21:55 kergoth: Its waited a while, it can wait a bit longer. No rush :) May 03 18:21:56 kergoth: got job? May 03 18:22:41 kergoth: tbh, I'd take your time and not rush into projects. Its far too easy to get bogged down in things :-/ May 03 18:22:46 * kergoth nods May 03 18:22:55 raduga: yea, working on the land warrior project (google it) in arizona May 03 18:25:20 I'm curious what kergoth will have to say when he sees "what we've done" to bitbake/OE in his absence :) May 03 18:25:54 hehe May 03 18:25:55 me too May 03 18:25:56 :P May 03 18:26:19 RP: nothing, and now be quiet ;) May 03 18:26:51 from what i've seen of the changes to bitbake, you've done great work there (watching commits and such) May 03 18:30:39 kergoth: I'm hopeful you'll like/agree with the changes but we'll see :) May 03 18:31:41 XorA|gone: sorry for that May 03 18:32:58 kergoth: I'll take two :p May 03 18:35:33 ggilbert: hehe. its awfully cool stuff. wearable computing is nifty. i cant help but think about snowcrash. May 03 18:36:55 kergoth: jedis don't need such crap ;) May 03 18:37:31 more to the point, wearable computing + an m4 May 03 18:37:32 :p May 03 18:37:37 hehe May 03 18:38:08 kergoth=gargoyle? May 03 18:40:12 kergoyle May 03 18:50:01 re koen May 03 18:52:46 hi May 03 18:52:50 zecke: sent mail? May 03 18:54:01 hi hrw May 03 18:54:22 no need for [] May 03 19:03:56 hrw: #422 is fixed, I played with my ratoc card last week May 03 19:04:15 hrw: nope May 03 19:05:43 koen: then close it? May 03 19:05:49 just did :) May 03 19:06:06 I wonder why I missed on the BSP May 03 19:06:21 nice idea to have a monthly BSP, btw May 03 19:06:32 I like to close #488 as wontfix May 03 19:07:55 or 'LATER' and hint at kernel 2.6 ;) May 03 19:08:43 Dear irc log readers: I said OESF sucks, just like the world sucks, any other Forum sucks... ;) May 03 19:11:09 koen: you have gpe on c700? May 03 19:12:07 koen: can you: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797 - fix should be quite simple - change in xmodmap May 03 19:14:29 hmm, thousands of type errors when parsing the kernel .bb's May 03 19:14:33 thats not good May 03 19:22:52 kergoth: type errors? May 03 19:23:00 heh May 03 19:23:12 ERROR: Exception:exceptions.TypeError Message:expected string or buffer May 03 19:23:12 ERROR: Printing the environment of the function May 03 19:23:12 ERROR: expected string or buffer while parsing /home/kergoth/distro/org.openembedded.dev/packages/sharp-binary-only/sharp-aticore-oss_1.0.1.bb May 03 19:23:16 etc May 03 19:23:23 * kergoth pokes around May 03 19:26:26 kergoth: you also happen to get things like "scanning single quoted string" May 03 19:29:40 kergoth: which ver of bitbake? May 03 19:30:02 the 1.4 tag from svn, the one gettingstarted advised May 03 19:30:10 (iirc) May 03 19:30:27 4.1 tag May 03 19:30:39 kergoth: i got these errors as well this afternoon May 03 19:30:53 kergoth: haven't found a solution tho May 03 19:30:59 heh, this time around its fetching things May 03 19:31:03 last time it didnt do anything May 03 19:31:08 ran it with the same arguments both times May 03 19:31:10 kergoth: as far as i could see, they happen on .bb's with "<>" May 03 19:31:16 kergoth: in the maintainer field May 03 19:31:20 aha May 03 19:31:30 does that help you? May 03 19:31:42 not really, but its amusing and good to know May 03 19:31:44 i'm not sure tho, i just had a quick look, had to go home May 03 19:31:57 giel: ? May 03 19:31:59 its actually building something now, despite the errors.. thast progress i suppose May 03 19:32:23 evening ! May 03 19:32:41 zecke: you see the errors i just pasted? May 03 19:32:45 hmm May 03 19:32:58 kergoth: do me a favor May 03 19:33:03 k May 03 19:35:38 kergoth: bin/bitbake May 03 19:35:53 kergoth: ~1037 except Exception, e: May 03 19:36:21 kergoth: remove that line, to see which is the error :} May 03 19:36:39 what is the error is May 03 19:37:57 its an anonymous function attempting to compile an sre, but being passed the wrong type, looks like May 03 19:38:01 File "__anonfunc", line 14, in __anonfunc May 03 19:38:01 File "/usr/lib/python2.3/sre.py", line 132, in match May 03 19:38:01 return _compile(pattern, flags).match(string) May 03 19:38:01 TypeError: expected string or buffer May 03 19:39:05 kergoth: weird May 03 19:39:16 what is a sre? May 03 19:39:20 regular expression May 03 19:39:27 re -> sre May 03 19:39:32 ah right May 03 19:39:45 hmm May 03 19:39:52 never seen that May 03 19:40:50 File "../bitbake/bin/bitbake", line 995, in collect_bbfiles May 03 19:40:50 except sre_constants.error: May 03 19:40:50 NameError: global name 'sre_constants' is not defined May 03 19:41:01 unrelated error May 03 19:41:15 when setting a BBMASK thats an invalid regex, afaict May 03 19:41:21 * kergoth pokes further May 03 19:47:48 kergoth: I've never seen these errors before :) May 03 19:48:06 * RP -> afk May 03 19:48:11 looks to be only occurring on packages taht inherit the module/kernel classes. May 03 19:49:50 CoreDump|home: ping May 03 19:54:17 CoreDump|home: add "keycode 20 = minus at at May 03 19:54:44 CoreDump|home: add "keycode 20 = minus at at" into clamshells xmodmap to resolve #797 May 03 20:04:26 freaky,, my Z rings like a phone on boot May 03 20:04:38 answer it May 03 20:04:47 XorA|gone: altboot new feature May 03 20:05:11 XorA|gone: 'hey user - kernel just booted - maybe you want some interaction?' May 03 20:05:35 hmm, populate volatile still doesnt work May 03 20:10:13 yay my Z is finally booting May 03 20:11:16 hrw: I want to hack now, will send the files + explanation tomorrow morning May 03 20:11:20 hrw: I hope you understand that May 03 20:11:41 ok May 03 20:12:12 zecke: btw - what it is? May 03 20:12:45 hrw: Qtopia :) May 03 20:13:01 zecke: ah.. May 03 20:13:43 to make things go faster (dispatch indirectly) May 03 20:29:12 I created a link from packages/imkit-anthy/ to packages/nonworking/imkit-anthy/ Still, OE thinks that nothing provides imkit-anthy. BBMASK is empty. Can OE handle symbolic links? May 03 20:29:59 Laibsch: bitbake needs to handle them May 03 20:30:10 Laibsch: does the amount of to be parsed packages change? May 03 20:30:54 hrw: my /var/tmp is now denying writing, this is going badly May 03 20:31:41 zecke: no, it does not. May 03 20:32:03 packages/imkit/blah.bb is there. May 03 20:32:29 Laibsch: so the answer is symlinks are not handled? May 03 20:34:19 zecke: Maybe the answer that I should call imkit instead of imkit-anthy May 03 20:34:23 * Laibsch blushes May 03 20:34:40 Laibsch: 3xxx -> 3xxx+1 you have one package more May 03 20:34:46 Laibsch: that is the point May 03 20:35:05 seems to be working May 03 20:35:31 I guess that even symlinks would be handled. But I am using a complete directory copy now. May 03 20:41:39 hrw: I haven't got gpe on my c700 at the moment May 03 20:41:47 hrw: just bootstrap + X + rxvt May 03 20:44:06 koen: ok - I found solution - someone has to add it into xserver-common May 03 20:44:50 ah, cool May 03 20:45:34 koen: CoreDump tweaked xmodmaps for clamshells so he could be best man to do it May 03 20:45:35 ;) May 03 20:51:28 does anyone know if OZ can sync with Qtopia Desktop and/or Evolution and/or Outlook? May 03 20:51:42 StarKruzr: OZ is a distro May 03 20:52:48 yeeees. :) May 03 20:53:00 so does Ubuntu sync to qtopia desktop? May 03 20:53:50 No, Ubuntu is a desktop OS. May 03 20:54:03 (I get your point, but it's a little silly) May 03 20:54:11 StarKruzr: its not silly May 03 20:54:27 StarKruzr: what if I use twin as desktop on my OZ powered c760? May 03 20:55:07 dude, the fact that you're asking me that question means you knew exactly what I meant when I asked. May 03 20:55:44 StarKruzr: this isn't a distribution support channel May 03 20:55:49 StarKruzr: so answer is 'yes it can' May 03 20:56:02 StarKruzr: those questions belong on #oz May 03 20:56:03 simple question, simple answer - both useless May 03 20:56:32 JustinP: you didn't really have an answer for me, and no one else is around in #openzaurus, and this channel is active May 03 20:56:55 you could go ask in #gentoo or #php as well, they're active May 03 20:56:59 StarKruzr: during last 2 hours you did not asked there May 03 20:57:05 doesn't mean you should be asking them that May 03 20:57:12 hrw: yes he did... May 03 20:57:25 well....just now really.... May 03 20:57:31 mickey|dinner: imkit does not compile here either (as was to be expected). I have been in contact with yamaken who said he is willing to help if it does not involve too much trouble. May 03 20:57:41 anyway I go sleep now May 03 20:57:48 night hrw May 03 20:57:49 yamaken is one of the main anthy devs. May 03 20:57:54 night hrw May 03 20:58:48 this channel is for OZ developer support, which means that it's entirely likely someone in here can answer my question. not so for #gentoo :) May 03 20:59:09 no, it's not for OZ developers May 03 20:59:10 foo: can't run command May 03 20:59:12 *sigh* what good is using autohell if you don't make previsions to distinguish host and build tools May 03 20:59:13 it's for OE developers May 03 20:59:25 mickeyl: hey May 03 20:59:27 OE != OZ May 03 20:59:39 hey mickeyl May 03 20:59:43 OE is what is behind OZ, but it's also behind Familiar, openslug, etc May 03 20:59:44 hi May 03 20:59:51 mickeyl: autofoo assumes your system is living the the 70's May 03 21:00:01 koen: ah right. that's what i've been missing May 03 21:00:14 JustinP: if you have any other suggestions for where to get help, I'm all ears May 03 21:00:18 and now zecke will say 'use schilly make' May 03 21:01:02 StarKruzr: #openzaurus. People *do* answer there when they have time. You can also try the OZ mailing lists May 03 21:01:16 GNU make has fatal errors since years and they are not fixed ;) May 03 21:01:29 koen: GNU make does not start with a 'S' May 03 21:02:10 hacks May 03 21:02:12 more hacks May 03 21:02:14 and even more hacks May 03 21:02:16 mmmh May 03 21:02:30 * mickeyl hacks the sh*it out of gsoap2 May 03 21:02:38 compile, danmit May 03 21:02:43 any objections for starting the survey? May 03 21:02:45 working on middleware? May 03 21:02:52 mickeyl: how is that related to your diss? May 03 21:02:55 koen: *nod* May 03 21:02:55 zecke: none, please make it go live May 03 21:02:58 zecke: not at all May 03 21:03:01 * mickeyl hides ashamed May 03 21:03:14 i bought a upnp device May 03 21:03:22 which I've been told uses gsoap May 03 21:03:25 * mickeyl shudders May 03 21:03:25 "I actually played with creating a maximal build; got upto 73mb for single MPlayer binary, it was just debugging stuff, after strip it was back to 6mb." May 03 21:03:41 mickeyl: upnp is a ripof of zeroconf May 03 21:03:42 *tired* May 03 21:03:53 mickeyl: koen : really? (make it go online) May 03 21:04:04 mickeyl: koen : add some comments on who should participate? May 03 21:04:05 zecke: yeah. May 03 21:04:32 yeah, and send a clear email to oe@ and some more lists May 03 21:04:34 zecke: best announce it on arm-linux-list, some embedded usenet groups and of course our lists May 03 21:04:38 bbiab May 03 21:04:42 like info@montevista.com May 03 21:05:02 koen: haha May 03 21:05:11 koen: could you hack me a proposal? May 03 21:05:31 zecke: I charge $40k a seat May 03 21:05:33 koen: I will send it to MVista, WindRiver May 03 21:07:54 koen: I don't have any seats, so $40k sounds fair May 03 21:08:33 zecke: I've been chatting with an ex-mv guy who's trying out OE May 03 21:08:40 he can tell funny stories :) May 03 21:10:14 yeah, MV is funny May 03 21:12:02 So, 3.5.4.1 is only for clamshells, yes? May 03 21:12:09 Where do I get glib-gettextize in OE? May 03 21:12:32 Does this mean that development is essentially stopped for the portrait machines? May 03 21:12:42 Laibsch: glib-2.0-native iirc May 03 21:12:53 StarKruzr: read the OZ mailinglist May 03 21:12:55 koen: Thanks. May 03 21:15:10 StarKruzr: not stopped. May 03 21:15:15 StarKruzr: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openzaurus.user, about 10 mails down May 03 21:15:46 zecke: when you make the survey live, then add it to the top @ openembedded.org May 03 21:16:13 If I need glib-gettextize during compile, I thought I should inherit it? May 03 21:17:17 s/it/$whateverprovides*it*/ May 03 21:18:16 DEPENDS += "glib-2.0-native" May 03 21:18:19 or glib-native May 03 21:18:27 I always forget how we call it May 03 21:19:07 mickeyl: http://survey.openembedded.org/index.php?sid=6 May 03 21:19:09 Live May 03 21:20:22 Thanks koen. May 03 21:21:32 Where is the difference between depends and inherit? I looked at the bitbake manual but could not figure it out. May 03 21:22:01 zecke: Are your contributing your changes and improvements back to OpenEmbedded? May 03 21:22:14 zecke: the first 'your' needs to be 'you' May 03 21:22:29 haha May 03 21:22:51 Laibsch: DEPENDS tells OE what to build before your this package is built May 03 21:23:00 Laibsch: inherit is for inheriting bbclasses, veyr different May 03 21:23:06 Laibsch: they import code into your bbfile May 03 21:23:10 koen: fixed May 03 21:23:17 zecke: thanks! May 03 21:23:39 koen: I have sent george a mail, I will try to get my hands on him anyway May 03 21:23:50 now to the OE CMS system - vim May 03 21:24:40 JustinP: So inherit is just like an include (same time) and DEPENDS is for preconditions to be met (beforehand)? May 03 21:25:03 damn index.php May 03 21:25:24 hehe May 03 21:25:36 koen: Should I add BitBake 1.4.0 released as well? May 03 21:25:40 Laibsch: basically, yes. Although inherit is used for bbclasses and include is used for...well...includes It's *about* the same, but not quite May 03 21:25:43 zecke: good thing we are going to switch to a CMS soon May 03 21:25:46 zecke: yes please May 03 21:26:13 JustinP: OK, thanks. I wonder if I will ever understand all this. May 03 21:26:24 heh May 03 21:26:28 zecke: "Thank you very much for the time and effort of taking this survey! Company X looks forward to continuing to improve the services it offers its customers." May 03 21:26:54 zecke: I thought you'd leave our company out of it? May 03 21:27:05 koen: did it print this? May 03 21:27:30 zecke: yes, in the exit window May 03 21:27:39 Laibsch: it's not too bad ;-) May 03 21:28:58 koen: I can not change that :} May 03 21:29:30 djeez, mediawiki sucks May 03 21:29:37 it doesn't support postgres May 03 21:29:59 * koen guesses people don't care about losing content May 03 21:31:20 koen: "The OpenEmbedded Project looks forward to continuing to improve the services it offers." May 03 21:31:23 koen: this is now printed May 03 21:31:28 cute May 03 21:33:01 * koen finds http://pgfoundry.org/projects/wikipedia May 03 21:33:34 hehe May 03 21:34:53 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r16b60518... 10/packages/gsoap/ (gsoap-native_2.7.7.bb gsoap_2.7.7.bb): add gsoap, generates C/C++ source codes for Web service and client applications May 03 21:35:12 mickeyl: what kind of upnp device? May 03 21:35:25 koen: a wireless media streamer. May 03 21:35:45 works pretty well for the things I've tried yet May 03 21:35:54 looks like the firmware is open May 03 21:35:59 you installed twonky on your slug? May 03 21:36:07 not yet May 03 21:36:10 it's using the pc yet May 03 21:36:23 the device runs 2.4 though and is based on a Micrel board May 03 21:36:35 i want to try flashing something OE based on it May 03 21:36:38 :) May 03 21:36:50 but first I'll wait until the 2.6 support for the micrel is in place May 03 21:37:11 mickeyl: koen : please check the OE site May 03 21:37:15 oh and I guess I'll add MANGA support to OE May 03 21:37:19 spelling and grammar fixes welcome May 03 21:37:52 03dirk 07org.oe.dev * r804d7cf4... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16: tosa update (lot of fixes) May 03 21:37:56 OK, next question. Where is intltoolize? May 03 21:38:03 do13: yay! May 03 21:38:07 Laibsch: intltool May 03 21:38:09 And is there a way to find this out by myself. May 03 21:38:17 koen: Thanks. May 03 21:38:21 grep intltoolize */*.bb? :)) May 03 21:38:23 intltool-native to be exact May 03 21:38:56 mickeyl: rgrep is fine. If it takes ages, it takes ages. So what ;-) May 03 21:40:10 zecke: looks good, i've added a couple of commas May 03 21:40:13 Anybody working on granule? May 03 21:40:29 mickeyl: couple? May 03 21:40:29 zecke: oh and I corrected the month... i guess the proper translation of Mai is May, not March May 03 21:40:30 heh May 03 21:40:33 Is there such a thing as announcing an ITP? May 03 21:40:56 mickeyl: it is march already? May 03 21:40:57 damn May 03 21:40:57 for OE to make sure there is no double work being done? May 03 21:41:02 heheh May 03 21:41:04 mickeyl: If you have some spare time: http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/image/ May 03 21:41:16 Laibsch: no, oeAThh.org is close May 03 21:41:20 do13: gcc 4.0 still kills nand? May 03 21:41:22 do13: ah cool. I'll flash that tomorrow. thanks May 03 21:41:24 back to 'work' May 03 21:41:38 mickeyl: python master, if I have two lists May 03 21:41:38 koen: yes, It 3.4.4 based :) May 03 21:41:48 mickeyl: is there a generic method to diff them? May 03 21:42:13 mickeyl: [only_in_a][both][only_in_b] = diff(a,b) May 03 21:42:51 zecke: not a generic one. just diff = [ for a in A if a not in B] May 03 21:42:53 and such May 03 21:43:24 mickeyl: hehe, functional way May 03 21:43:25 mickeyl: one warning: the touch calibration isn't started automatically. use the keyboard to kill gpe and start ts_calibrate manually May 03 21:43:43 mickeyl: I start to acknowledge that functional programming is intuitive and the way to go May 03 21:43:44 do13: ah, ok May 03 21:43:49 zecke: no kidding, it is May 03 21:43:56 mickeyl: no side effects ;) May 03 21:44:18 mickeyl: suspend / resume without ohci-hci should work May 03 21:44:45 * mickeyl charges his tosa May 03 21:49:29 the @ thingy is a GPE / matchbox / X11 bug, not a keymap problem May 03 21:50:48 CoreDump|home: yes, faster boot times R us, cheers May 03 21:51:02 sorry for the mess ;) May 03 21:51:16 CoreDump|home: so your initng tests were disappointing? May 03 21:51:56 well, the first run yes. I'm still hacking on something which may or may not improve boot-time May 03 21:52:13 we could benefit from some cleaner init scripts anyway May 03 21:52:27 mickeyl: there is EFL, EEM proposal at hh.org SoC May 03 21:52:37 koen: diff gcc3 vs. gcc4 http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/tmio-nand-gcc.txt May 03 21:52:38 CoreDump|home: there may still be one small bug I need to test tomorrow, on my first boot /var/tmp had 766 as permissions, when booting from /etc/volatile.cache it had right ones, but I havent had time to figure out what went wrong May 03 21:52:44 zecke: oh is it? cool. i didn't have time to check the proposals yet May 03 21:53:18 mickeyl: patching every initscript on the planet isn't what I had in mind tho =D May 03 21:53:25 mickeyl: you are a mentor as well? May 03 21:53:36 CoreDump|home: heh, yes May 03 21:53:40 zecke: yep May 03 21:53:49 mickeyl: ah good, we should coordinate with erik then May 03 21:53:56 zecke: right May 03 21:54:14 mickeyl: I was about to "be mentor" for this project May 03 21:54:20 mickeyl: but now I know you are around May 03 21:54:29 CoreDump|home: can't we steal from gentoo? iirc they're using initng since longer May 03 21:54:38 mickeyl: we wants to cross compile EFL for ARM (one of his points) May 03 21:54:38 I'm working on a /e/init.d/rcS replacement which can run scripts in parallel, whith dependencies (ie: S40networking needs udev, populate-volatile etc) May 03 21:54:54 mickeyl: I would like him to make UI proposals, design, style things May 03 21:55:02 zecke: yeah, that sounds _much_ better. May 03 21:55:08 I have an ipaq5550. Is it possible to load the root partition into the device while it's running? May 03 21:55:14 koen: need to get an abiword SoC to make plugins work :-) May 03 21:55:16 CoreDump|home: hehe, I have 'chronic' Zecke's Unfinished Init System May 03 21:55:19 CoreDump|home: that'd be cool. at least we should do the same as modern distros and start the WM more early May 03 21:55:19 OK, granule is progressing nicely (OE is just awesome once grok'd!). How do I specify to DEPEND on gtkmm-2.4 and not gtkmm-2.8? May 03 21:55:33 I'm trying to not flash it through the serial interface May 03 21:55:35 Laibsch: DEPENDS = "gtkmm-2.8" May 03 21:56:03 Oh, that is provided, too? Is that the case for any package? May 03 21:56:07 yeah May 03 21:56:12 take a look and read bitbake.conf May 03 21:56:13 mickeyl: you could start opie / X as the first thing in rc5. Opie / X doesn't care for irattach, BT and stuff (i hope heh) May 03 21:56:30 CoreDump|home: well, you could have a Bluetooth keyboard ;) May 03 21:56:43 CoreDump|home: right, it should always be able to attach when devices come up later. May 03 21:56:48 if not, we'll have to fix May 03 21:56:49 zecke: BT would load a few seconds after opie / X May 03 21:56:49 CoreDump|home: and X would need to attach it automatically... May 03 21:57:24 well, dunno. Don't have a IR or BT kbd May 03 21:59:06 * XorA|gone goes to sleep May 03 21:59:12 * mickeyl as well May 03 21:59:13 g'night May 03 21:59:30 n8 mickeyl & XorA|gone May 03 21:59:36 zecke: thanks for all the survey work! May 03 21:59:49 I really hope we can get many people to participate May 03 22:00:22 mickey|zzZZzz: Nevermind, I don't want to get started for thanking for your work ;) May 03 22:00:59 n8 all May 03 22:01:22 Nate? May 03 22:02:48 May 03 22:03:02 sorry. kb fell May 03 22:03:22 zecke: should I pull from the bitbake 1.4 branch to get a bug fix? ;-) May 03 22:03:47 rwhitby: :} May 03 22:04:02 rwhitby: it is a tricky situation May 03 22:04:14 rwhitby: A fix could have many side effects May 03 22:04:28 rwhitby: I'm currently writing a ipk-diff tool to test the effect of this change :} May 03 22:04:28 nod May 03 22:04:54 rwhitby: could you try compiling this tool with a older version of bitbake? May 03 22:05:01 rwhitby: or alternatively May 03 22:05:12 replace ${PN} with the name you want (busybox, syslog) May 03 22:05:20 I can easily do the latter May 03 22:06:28 this could/should change things if I understand the issue May 03 22:06:44 doing a debian slug build as well (ATM) May 03 22:06:56 zecke: do you have a slug? May 03 22:07:04 rwhitby: yes ;) May 03 22:07:15 rwhitby: in the process of getting a second one May 03 22:07:22 excellent :-) May 03 22:07:53 rwhitby: I use it for rsync atm May 03 22:22:55 rwhitby: I see now why the tinderbox is misbehaving :} May 03 22:23:39 reenoo: hey May 03 22:23:52 evening May 03 22:23:57 yo zecke May 03 22:25:18 drat, it turns out my finger is actually broken May 03 22:25:52 ouch May 03 22:25:57 good typing though May 03 22:26:03 pb_: :( May 03 22:26:21 zecke: that was my reaction as well May 03 22:26:34 never mind, I have a very fetching splint now May 03 22:26:45 pb_: :( what happened? May 03 22:27:05 pb_: do you get an appointment at the doctor this month? May 03 22:27:27 reenoo: incompetent hammering May 03 22:28:09 zecke: I just got back from seeing the doctor, and hopefully I don't need another appointment. May 03 22:28:18 pb_: oh dear. get well soon! May 03 22:28:27 zecke: all being well apparently it should fix itself in about a week or ten days May 03 22:28:27 yeah get well soon May 03 22:28:59 pb_: this is the reason, why I refuse to use any sort of weapons May 03 22:29:32 very wise May 03 22:29:49 I dread to think what would have happened if I had been using a gun May 03 22:30:09 pb_: luckily no cat was inured in this accident? May 03 22:30:17 indeed May 03 22:38:48 zecke: why is tinderbox misbehaving? May 03 22:39:09 rwhitby: some of the slug builds don't send a build started May 03 22:39:20 rwhitby: this is due not having any 'handlers' installed May 03 22:39:31 rwhitby: because no bbclass was loaded at all May 03 22:40:05 ah, when we just to slugos-image and nothing else May 03 22:40:05 rwhitby: and my hack for bitbake1.4 doesn't apply for the NSLU2 machines May 03 22:40:26 rwhitby: most machines have a .inc file somewhere May 03 22:40:39 rwhitby: a .inc file will load base.bbclass and all INHERITS May 03 22:40:42 zecke: gotta go to work now, will test the ${PN} thing there. May 03 22:40:51 rwhitby: which will register... May 03 22:40:55 rwhitby: drop me a mail please May 03 22:41:05 zecke: I'll be here while at work May 03 22:41:12 (in about 1h or so) May 03 22:41:51 Anybody care to fix a small, but important bug in packages/xproto/? May 03 22:41:57 I hope to be in bed tomorrow May 03 22:42:05 Laibsch: what issue? May 03 22:42:11 The SRC_URI is incorrect: SRC_URI = "${XORG_MIRROR}/X11R7.0/src/proto/${PN}-${PV}.tar.bz2" May 03 22:42:42 what is the correct one? May 03 22:43:33 Leads for example to http://www.oesources.org/source/current/xproto-7.0.4.tar.bz2 instead of the correct http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/src/proto/xproto-X11R7.0-7.0.4.tar.bz2 May 03 22:43:52 Well, I did not mean to post the oesources.org thing May 03 22:44:32 The problem is that it should be xproto-X11R7.0-7.04.tar.bz2 not just xproto-7.0.4.tar.bz2 May 03 22:44:53 I am not sure if that is easy to fix with the variables. May 03 22:45:12 ah okay May 03 22:45:21 Laibsch: I will do it tomorrow morning, or ask koen to do it May 03 22:45:25 too tired now May 03 22:45:37 OK, so no need to open a bug report? May 03 22:46:28 Replace SRC_URI = "${XORG_MIRROR}/X11R7.0/src/proto/${PN}-${PV}.tar.bz2" with SRC_URI = "${XORG_MIRROR}/X11R7.0/src/proto/${PN}7.0-${PV}.tar.bz2" is what I'd do. May 03 22:46:44 the file is xproto/proto-common.inc May 03 22:47:07 Laibsch: that is the safest ;) May 03 22:47:15 I'm too tired, and I don't know what I would do May 03 22:48:41 I'll write a mail to oe@ just to be sure. May 03 22:54:28 I can handle this - I noticed it earlier - just need to check it in May 03 22:55:02 * nevarrie mumbles about xstroke May 03 22:55:23 zecke: if the survey ready to get submission ? May 03 22:55:48 cyrilRomain: sure ;) May 03 22:55:49 cyrilRomain: see main page May 03 22:55:55 (oe.handhelds.org) May 03 22:56:12 zecke: ok, just many minutes I write into the page and just would like to check :) May 03 22:56:12 cyrilRomain: I will, or pester some one to send a mail about it May 03 22:56:50 zecke: is it a way to tell me 'please send a mail to the mailing list?' ;) May 03 22:57:46 cyrilRomain: no, I want to write some prosa to send it to some other places as well May 03 22:57:49 cyrilRomain: but if you feel like doing it, you could start and mail it to oeAThh.org where we can poke at it May 03 22:57:54 and send it to the rest of the world May 03 22:59:55 * cyrilRomain waiting the mail to do a forward "rest of the world" :) May 03 23:00:21 Laibsch: Did you patch work? Its not the same as the one I have :-/ May 03 23:02:59 'night all May 03 23:05:34 RP: you mean the xproto one? No, this is still wrong. The "-X11R" is also missing. But I wonder if this will break anything. May 03 23:06:52 SRC_URI = "${XORG_MIRROR}/X11R7.0/src/proto/${PN}-X11R7.0-${PV}.tar.bz2" May 03 23:06:53 seems to work. May 03 23:08:16 Except that xproto itself fails to compile :-( May 03 23:13:59 RP: Can you compile xproto? May 03 23:17:02 good nite May 03 23:17:14 RP: my update_data testing tool is almost done May 03 23:17:34 * pb_ bedtime now May 03 23:17:35 night night May 03 23:18:46 'night pb__ May 03 23:18:54 zecke: Sounds good :) May 03 23:19:02 Laibsch: Yes. I'll commit a fix May 03 23:19:25 Cool, thank you. May 03 23:19:32 RP: ipkg-diff May 03 23:19:33 Did you fix the other bbs, too? May 03 23:19:44 I am doing that right now. May 03 23:19:59 I could send you a patch via IRC to save you time. May 03 23:20:18 please don't push now May 03 23:22:04 zecke: ? I was asking if RP wanted the patch. I am by no means trying to push you ;-) May 03 23:22:40 Laibsch: hehe May 03 23:22:47 push to monotone I meant ;) May 03 23:22:54 didn't feel pushed at all May 03 23:23:32 hehe May 03 23:23:34 OK May 03 23:24:11 zecke: too late :-( May 03 23:24:28 RP: I will try to merge May 03 23:24:33 zecke: sorry - the patch was on the machine on my other desk... May 03 23:24:54 RP: I should have file a ITP May 03 23:24:58 Interest To Push May 03 23:25:02 filed... May 03 23:26:08 zecke: just a remark on survey: it would be great to be redirected to the OE main page after pushind the sumbmit button May 03 23:26:12 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r597b1df7... 10/contrib/qa/ipkg-diff/ (README ipkg-diff ipkg.py): May 03 23:26:12 contrib/qa/ipkg-diff: May 03 23:26:12 Add a work in progress ipkg-diff utilitiy to show May 03 23:26:12 differences between two directory of ipk packages files. May 03 23:26:12 Currently it does nothing. May 03 23:26:16 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r98278464... 10/contrib/qa/ipkg-diff/ipkg-diff: May 03 23:26:16 qa/ipkg-diff: May 03 23:26:16 Implement diffing the content of two directories May 03 23:26:20 and showing the difference. as mithro pointed out May 03 23:26:22 the splitting could be done in one loop and I have May 03 23:26:24 other optimisations in my head as well, but this way May 03 23:26:26 it just looks sexy and is intuitive. May 03 23:26:29 s/hind/hing May 03 23:26:30 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r6d737ec1... 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xorg SRC_URIs: some updates after upstream renamed things (add X11R7 into filenames/checkout diectories). There will be other packages suffering this problem. Also add missing kbproto DEPENDS to libxt. May 03 23:26:36 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rcb1b20a4... 10/contrib/qa/ipkg-diff/ipkg-diff: (log message trimmed) May 03 23:26:38 qa/ipkg-diff/ipkg-diff: May 03 23:26:40 Start parsing the packages using ipkg.py and implement May 03 23:26:42 a simple comparing of two packages. May 03 23:26:44 Todo: May 03 23:26:46 -Remove, analyse the error when comparing May 03 23:26:47 s/umbmit/ubmit/ May 03 23:26:48 -Find a way to invoke the method by name (__call__ or such) May 03 23:27:10 * cyrilRomain surfing on CIA post May 03 23:27:59 nite May 03 23:28:11 zecke: Will you merge or should I? May 03 23:28:17 merged May 03 23:28:22 zecke: ok, thanks May 03 23:28:28 I'm also going to bed :) May 03 23:28:30 nite zecke May 03 23:28:31 'night all May 03 23:28:35 nite RP May 03 23:29:11 mithro: nite May 03 23:31:26 oh well, it's time, nite all May 03 23:39:51 is there a problem with oesources.org...I am gettign 404 for alot of files OE is tryingto pull from there... May 03 23:53:51 hi for a few minutes, still out of town...touching base. May 04 00:05:48 * StarKruzr eyes that website May 04 00:05:59 I wonder what a Mediatrix is May 04 00:06:28 ah. there's my answer. May 04 02:55:04 hey guys, my ipaq refuses to stay on despite i deactivate sleep mode May 04 02:59:13 CSMan: this isn't a distro or machine support channel May 04 02:59:20 CSMan: however...try killing ipaq-sleep May 04 03:00:01 JustinP: what packages do you mantain ? May 04 03:02:58 CSMan: e17 and efl, also I help with mpd....and I also technically maintain lineakd, but I haven't used it in forever May 04 03:04:04 do you know if someone maintains vnc ? May 04 03:06:52 look in OE. if there's a MAINTAINER set then yes there is May 04 06:10:57 ~spitz May 04 06:10:59 spitz is, like, the Sharp SL-C3000, or a dog May 04 06:19:50 Moin May 04 06:21:24 good morning all May 04 06:26:55 good morning koen May 04 06:27:08 koen: are you good with quilt? May 04 06:28:12 How do I remove a file from a patch without that patch being applied? "quilt remove -P xproto_SRCURI.diff packages/xproto/proto-common.inc" fails with the reason that this patch is not applied. May 04 06:29:25 I have no idea, sorry May 04 06:29:42 but you could do 'monotone revert packages/xproto/proto-common.inc' to remove the patch May 04 06:31:17 yes, OK. May 04 06:31:24 Found another workaround. May 04 06:31:30 Thanks May 04 06:42:32 rwhitby: any news on that ${PN} thing? May 04 06:44:12 hey zecke May 04 06:49:51 kergoth: solved your problem of yesterday yet? May 04 06:52:45 well cya later May 04 06:54:19 zecke: I tried _busybox_slugos, and it didn't seem to work. May 04 06:55:35 zecke: i.e. I still get an /etc/rc3.d/S20syslog in the rootfs May 04 06:55:52 RP: did you have any luck with your debianslug rootfs? May 04 07:01:38 bonjour May 04 07:03:05 zecke: good morning May 04 07:06:49 cya later May 04 07:07:47 rwhitby: :( May 04 07:07:57 rwhitby: I'm almost done with my ipkg-diff tool May 04 07:08:18 later May 04 07:39:34 morning May 04 07:40:12 I cannot hunt down the sources for xproto-6.6.2. Maybe it is best to remove that bb file? May 04 07:40:25 The SRC_URI is wrong. May 04 07:43:28 hey XorA May 04 07:47:32 njs: what(): boost::filesystem::is_directory: "/Users/ich/hacking/MT": Invalid argument seen that? May 04 07:47:36 njs: on a co? May 04 07:56:03 koen: hows Angstrom images coming along? May 04 07:56:20 segfault city May 04 07:56:31 :( May 04 07:56:33 but giorgio is debuging opie at the moment May 04 07:56:44 it seems tslib is causing most of the segfaults May 04 07:56:46 gcc 4 problems or EABI problems? May 04 07:57:20 eabi May 04 07:57:29 it seems to work fine with gcc4.0.2 May 04 07:58:07 I might switch to gcc 4 images then, to make sure all our apps compile/work while the cleverer people fix EABI May 04 07:58:15 I assume the switch is easy to do May 04 07:58:34 What exactly is EABI? May 04 07:58:45 NAbyss: ARM EABI, a familiy of ABIs May 04 07:58:50 NAbyss: see http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort May 04 07:58:57 koen: Ah, thanks May 04 08:01:25 koen: lol, picking a name is flamy :) May 04 08:01:56 zecke: I wonder what they'll pick as a name May 04 08:02:41 EABI definitely looks like a step forwards.. just quite a few problems with compiling existing code that has bad assumptions? May 04 08:02:43 koen: ARM-OE May 04 08:02:53 koen: we should book some tickets for DebConf and get some popcorn May 04 08:03:26 koen: and within a year or two Debian will have 10% of all packages compiled for ARM EABI May 04 08:06:24 zecke: is this bsd or mit: http://oe.pastebin.com/697589 ? May 04 08:07:04 koen: looks more like a MIT license May 04 08:07:19 thanks May 04 08:07:32 koen: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php May 04 08:07:47 koen: you should put a warranty sections in it as well :} May 04 08:08:57 it's not mine, it's xcb's May 04 08:09:31 oh well, I have heard XCB as a formal proof that its threading is right :} May 04 08:09:42 so they might have decided to take warranty May 04 08:09:46 grant May 04 08:11:13 zecke: what are your thought on running 'file' on /bin/* and /lib/* in OE to ensure the target arch matches? May 04 08:14:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r46964b23... 10/packages/xproto/xcb-proto_0.9.bb: xcb-proto: add 0.9 release May 04 08:17:00 morning all May 04 08:17:21 hey RP May 04 08:20:17 XorA: 10:30 < mtaht3> am thinking that some of the segv problems on eabi are related to the alignment trap handler May 04 08:20:34 * koen hopes thats it and will be fixed May 04 08:20:37 * koen crosses fingers May 04 08:27:13 morning all May 04 08:27:30 hey ade|desk May 04 08:27:33 moin May 04 08:28:01 * XorA suffers total brain failure May 04 08:28:14 XorA: :( May 04 08:28:51 zecke: Im having one of those moments where I can barely remember why Im at work, let alone what I am supposed to be doing May 04 08:29:02 * XorA goes to make some tea May 04 08:30:46 I cannot hunt down the sources for xproto-6.6.2. Maybe it is best to remove that bb file? May 04 08:30:56 liXau does not compile. May 04 08:31:34 xproto-6.6.2.tar.gz <- that one? May 04 08:32:22 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/source/xproto-6.6.2.tar.gz May 04 08:32:27 Laibsch: it is on oesources as well May 04 08:32:59 koen: should we send invitations to the survey? May 04 08:33:03 koen: where should we send them? May 04 08:33:13 koen: how should the text look likeĆ Short vs. Long May 04 08:33:21 koen: OK, I will post a patch to the bug tracker. May 04 08:33:38 zecke: oe@ linux-arm@, linuxdevices? May 04 08:33:50 Laibsch: ?? xproto is on oesources, no need for a patch? May 04 08:34:34 anyway back to stuff May 04 08:36:03 zecke: Well, it did not find the sources from the unpatched bb file. May 04 08:38:26 Laibsch: making it point to oesources or ewi does not make it better May 04 08:39:37 Laibsch: http://xlibs.freedesktop.org/release/ May 04 08:39:45 xproto-6.6.2.tar.gz May 04 08:39:47 is there May 04 08:40:28 OK, I was looking at xorg.freedesktop.org May 04 08:40:44 I simply googled and clicked twice May 04 08:40:45 Anyways, why does the bug tracker by default assign severity blocker? May 04 08:40:56 dunno May 04 08:42:55 * koen stabs libtool May 04 08:43:03 | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../src/libXCB.la', needed by `libXCBcomposite.la'. Stop. May 04 08:46:10 mickey|zzZZzz: hey May 04 09:14:30 hey lrg May 04 09:15:05 hey XorA - change of venue tonight May 04 09:15:18 lrg: erk, where we off to then? May 04 09:17:00 lrg: ahah, I see on mailing list May 04 09:21:57 Does OE have all the required things for LVM2 in it (assuming the kernel support is there) ? May 04 09:23:50 rwhitby: I think it has May 04 09:24:51 I might play around with that in the nas100d - I need some practice before we get a Dell PE 1800 1TB fileserver at work next week. May 04 09:25:00 rwhitby: to the BitBake bug, I'm currently compiling a lot of configs May 04 09:25:02 hehe May 04 09:25:13 with Debian setting up LVM is so easy ;) May 04 09:27:23 This box will be running Centos 4 May 04 09:30:17 XorA, sorry was interrupted. - can you make it tonight ? May 04 09:30:40 lrg: yeah, I know where that is May 04 09:42:02 rwhitby: I've been waiting to sort out a serial lead before debugging my slug build - I have the right chip to do it now, just need to make the lead :) May 04 09:45:41 koen: http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/00000162/ May 04 09:48:57 zecke: trolltech makes kernels now?!?! May 04 09:49:12 koen: Award Winning May 04 09:49:23 "Best Embedded Linux" May 04 09:49:29 koen: well OE is Award Winning as well May 04 09:49:30 linux is a kernel ;) May 04 09:51:23 zecke: May 04 09:51:25 ehm May 04 09:51:27 zecke: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/3/165 May 04 09:52:45 koen: TT had some good numbers on fs sizes as well May 04 09:53:31 "Comparing apples and oranges is appropriate when one is investigating May 04 09:53:32 spherical fruits" May 04 09:53:36 * koen must remember that one May 04 09:59:07 RP: do you have experience with CONFIG_MTD_XIP? May 04 09:59:37 RP: if it does what I think it does it would make sense on poodle machines May 04 09:59:46 koen: No, and I don't want to have May 04 09:59:55 koen: Keep in mind you then can't compress things **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 04 09:59:57 2006