**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 08 09:59:57 2006 May 08 10:21:22 a number of packages in xlibs is broken because the filenames of the sources got renamed May 08 10:23:07 giel: most of them are updated iirc May 08 10:23:46 the Xorg stuff from AMD needs to be integrated as well May 08 10:25:43 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rba58814d... 10/packages/fuse/ (fuse-module_2.5.3.bb fuse_2.5.3.bb): May 08 10:25:43 fuse: update to 2.5.3 and improve packaging: May 08 10:25:43 * the fuse-module package now ships the udev rules as well May 08 10:25:43 * the fuse package has been split in libfuse2 and fuse-utils May 08 10:26:07 hrw|work: ah okay, i'll do a new pull May 08 10:42:59 morning all May 08 10:43:07 hey lardman|work May 08 10:44:07 hi koen May 08 10:44:34 hi lardman May 08 10:44:40 hey hrw|work May 08 10:51:25 hrw|work: yeah, pull helped, thanks May 08 10:54:50 ~lart unionfs May 08 10:54:50 * ibot gives unionfs a good seeing to May 08 10:59:32 <_guillermo> hi, what should I do with the modules-2.6.x.tgz file that is created for my akita everytime I create a gpe-image? May 08 10:59:53 _guillermo: ignore it not need it May 08 11:00:02 <_guillermo> ok May 08 11:13:02 03dirk 07org.oe.dev * re1fa4ab4... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus.inc: linux/linux-openzaurus.inc: tosa kernel won't work with gcc4.0.x. version check implemented. May 08 11:16:34 03dirk 07org.oe.oz354x * r19b102ac... 10/packages/xserver/xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb: xserver/xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb: tosa also needs the disable-apm.patch May 08 11:27:42 hi May 08 11:27:53 hey CoreDump|home May 08 11:28:14 hrm May 08 11:28:20 fuse is confirmed broken on arm May 08 11:28:34 but it will be fixed before the 2.6.0 release May 08 11:29:15 http://pastebin.com/705086 bitbake bootstrap-image failed for OZ 3.4.5.1 May 08 11:29:30 CoreDump|home: can you add altboot-2.6.cfg for tosa? May 08 11:30:32 do13: sure, cp akita-2.6 tosa-2.6 might work May 08 11:30:56 sws: .oz354x branch? May 08 11:31:17 sws: # May 08 11:31:19 DISTRO = "openzaurus" May 08 11:31:27 this does not look ok May 08 11:31:34 sws: as a work-around bitbake -b packages hostap/hostap-conf.bb May 08 11:33:25 hrw: in local.conf i have DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4.1" May 08 11:33:56 hrw: branch is .oz354x May 08 11:36:41 CoreDump: your work-around worked :) May 08 11:39:57 * hrw|work does not have access to full build now May 08 11:40:57 what is the difference between classpath, classpath-minimal and classpath-gtk? May 08 11:42:35 classpath-gtk uses gtk, classpatch-minimal doesn't May 08 11:42:52 so if you don't need a gui for java apps (swing, awt, etc) use -minimal May 08 11:43:30 ok I just took a look at the bb files and it's clear, a lot nices than older ones IMHO May 08 11:45:39 re May 08 11:45:55 koen: did you get my message about the bluetooth "mouse"? May 08 11:46:18 yes May 08 11:46:59 hidd --connect $HEX_ADDRESS is all what was needed after a bit tslib.sh hacking May 08 11:47:11 yeah May 08 11:47:22 it wasn't a real mouse but a BT mobile w/ "Mouse" function May 08 11:47:28 and hidd --search will show you the available devices May 08 11:48:44 * CoreDump|home used hcitool scan but is quite the BT n00b May 08 11:49:14 and iirc you can make hidd --search do the connection as well May 08 11:51:00 RP, zecke,mickey|dinner: what do you think about this patch http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/base.bbclass-distro-version.patch ? May 08 11:51:51 koen: Probably a good idea... May 08 11:52:18 very good May 08 11:52:18 koen: is DISTRO_VERSION a mandantory key? May 08 11:52:32 zecke: no May 08 11:52:46 no, but is really usefull debugging info May 08 11:52:57 but TARGET_FPU is not mandatory either May 08 11:53:00 zecke: DISTRO isn't mandatory either May 08 11:53:32 MACHINE isn't either :) May 08 11:54:39 RP: I love the new c7x0 reboot May 08 11:55:25 XorA: We just need to fix the RTC now :) May 08 11:57:06 Hi, I've just did a monotone pull (last pull was feb 24) and now I'm getting "monotone: misuse: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads". I thought if the issues was fixed in the db I should have had no problem? Is this recoverable? May 08 11:57:33 RP: I also started on Xw100 May 08 11:58:29 XorA: fb accell? yay! May 08 11:58:50 CoreDump|home: on c7x0 only (in Z line) May 08 11:59:00 :\ May 08 11:59:08 yay for c7x0 users then =) May 08 11:59:20 v8jlene: someone has to merge - w8 a moment May 08 11:59:33 unfortuneately Im on holiday for 2 weeks from fri, so its going to be a while May 08 11:59:34 CoreDump|home: hx4700 and toshiba e8xx too iirc May 08 11:59:36 hrw|work: merge what? May 08 11:59:53 koen: .dev May 08 11:59:53 RP: good argument May 08 11:59:57 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/headofbranch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.dev only has one revision May 08 12:00:10 and that was updated one minute ago May 08 12:00:27 hrw|work: I suspect a case of badrevs May 08 12:00:34 koen: I'm 20% done with the 'migration' proposal May 08 12:00:43 zecke: that's good news May 08 12:00:56 so can I push the base.bbclass cset? May 08 12:01:18 v8jlene: show us output - revisions May 08 12:02:04 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * ree661975... 10/packages/udev/ (files/input.sh udev_084.bb): udev: input.sh: Add support for -unknown- bus type for BlueTooth mice May 08 12:02:08 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r432dfe4d... 10/packages/tslib/ (tslib/akita/tslib.sh tslib_cvs.bb): tslib: Add support for unknown (ie: BT) mice May 08 12:02:13 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * rea284e9f... 10/packages/detect-stylus/ (2 files in 2 dirs): detect-stylus: Add a simple way to enable the mouse cursor, used by tslib.sh May 08 12:03:16 looking at the last rev, I should finally start hacking the X server May 08 12:05:56 zecke: It needs decent input devicve support... May 08 12:06:10 * CoreDump|home agrees May 08 12:06:33 RP: hehe, and automatic configuration of them (hot pluggable) May 08 12:06:40 on-the-fly user-transparent input switching / multiplexing between inputs would rock May 08 12:06:41 RP: and a keymap per device May 08 12:07:05 anyone knows a company hiring X devs? ;) May 08 12:07:08 zecke: hot plug already works if you have all the needed modules installed May 08 12:07:28 zecke: ;-) May 08 12:07:42 CoreDump|home: which exactly modules are needed on device? May 08 12:07:57 'hotplug' through the legacy keyboard handling system? May 08 12:08:14 hrw|work: Thanks... I've figured out how to show the heads and one of them is a commit I made locally while trying to figure out monotone. That exaplains it. So looks like I just need more practice with using montone... I would have thought it'd merge new revisions in... but apparently now ;( May 08 12:08:16 RP: oh, you do? May 08 12:08:21 hrw|work: for usbmouse its kernel-module-usbmouse and kernel-module-mousedev May 08 12:08:21 * zecke beats his head... May 08 12:08:43 I get some food May 08 12:08:58 hrw|work: for BT I don't remember ATM, nothing too fancy May 08 12:09:02 ok May 08 12:09:18 14:12 < koen> so can I push the base.bbclass cset? May 08 12:10:41 RP: survey entry #59 is fun May 08 12:10:46 koen: Fine by me but i guess you're asking zecke? May 08 12:10:59 koen: fine with me May 08 12:11:00 RP: I'm asking all of you :) May 08 12:11:11 koen: feel free May 08 12:11:18 koen: push into .oz354x too May 08 12:12:15 during next days I will check which crypto modules are needed for WPA/WPA2 and add them to images. also will make wpa-supplicant autostarting (have WPA2 at home now) May 08 12:12:58 For rdiff-backup I need a python change - should I just raise a PR on python asking for the change? (I sent an email about this to the mailing list a few days ago.) The python .bb's imply that it's auto generated from somewhere. May 08 12:13:22 v8jlene: look at python*manifest* files May 08 12:13:51 zecke: The sooner we update to 0.26/0.27, the better IMO... May 08 12:14:19 It might stop me cursing monotone quite as much... May 08 12:14:38 RP: did you try mtn yet? May 08 12:14:48 hrw|work: Yeah, that's what I need changed - I need one of the python files which is not currently being packaged. They say they are autogenated by some script. May 08 12:15:20 zecke: No, mainly due to lack of time May 08 12:15:23 v8jlene: do a diff and add into bugtracker - add mickeyl into Cc: May 08 12:17:20 hrw|work: Ok, athough my solution may no tbe one someone who knows python would do ;) I made a seperate package for this file but I suspect it belongs in python-core. I'll raise bug and mention that. May 08 12:17:58 v8jlene: mickeyl is local python guru May 08 12:22:43 03koen 07org.oe.oz354x * re5dfeaea... 10/classes/base.bbclass: base.bbclass: add DISTRO_VERSION into summary, take from .dev May 08 12:24:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rffddb058... 10/classes/base.bbclass: May 08 12:24:33 base.bbclass: add DISTRO_VERSION to the summary May 08 12:24:33 * it isn't a mandatory var, but very usefull for debugging user problems May 08 12:30:17 I have just installed bitbake and oe stuff. I have edited local.conf. May 08 12:30:35 I get an error runnin bitbake ... May 08 12:30:54 wrap: what error? May 08 12:31:11 Use http://rafb.net/ to paste longer text. May 08 12:31:27 oe.pastebin.com is much cooler :) May 08 12:31:59 bitbake opie-image May 08 12:31:59 bash: /stuff/oe/bitbake/bin/bitbake: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter: Permission denied May 08 12:32:06 koen: OK, did not know about that one. I have grown up with rafb.net so I use that. Does oe.pastebin.com save pastes? May 08 12:32:19 ~pastebin May 08 12:32:29 extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com May 08 12:32:33 Laibsch: it does, and it shouldn't only contain oe pastes, so it's easier to find stuff after a while May 08 12:33:01 koen: Well, I like rafb.net because pastes are not saved. May 08 12:33:06 wrap: how did you end up without /usr/bin/env? May 08 12:33:18 wrap: is your filesystem mounted with noexec (i.e -o user)? May 08 12:34:16 I looked at bitbake file in /stuff/oe/bitbake/bin/bitbake and it's on first line as an interpreter line. #!/usr/bin/env python May 08 12:34:49 and it fails executing /usr/bin/env? May 08 12:35:07 Yes My filesystem is mounted noexec May 08 12:35:21 wrap: and bitbake is an executable? May 08 12:35:29 it has the 'x'? May 08 12:35:45 and you think executing an executable on a non executable filesystem will work? May 08 12:36:07 I have never thought of that... May 08 12:36:10 * koen rereads that sentence May 08 12:36:25 the filesystem where you compile (TMPDIR) needs to be executable May 08 12:36:45 for bitbake you can workaround using python bin/bitbake May 08 12:36:47 ok I will re-configure that ! May 08 12:38:06 koen: seen the new ad on apple.com? May 08 12:39:42 zecke: the virus one? May 08 12:40:15 No, "I'm a Mac" "I'm a PC" May 08 12:40:46 zecke: yes, I had the virus one May 08 12:40:53 "I'm going to crash" May 08 12:41:07 zecke: http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/ -> viruses May 08 12:41:21 ah i had ilife May 08 12:42:19 lol restarting May 08 12:45:29 morning May 08 12:51:45 my stylus is not working in a gpre image I just compiled. Any clue what the error could be coming from? May 08 12:52:23 branch and machine? May 08 12:53:44 CoreDump|home: akita May 08 12:53:49 latest kernel May 08 12:53:56 .oz354x? May 08 12:54:06 or .dev? May 08 12:55:41 of all machines, akita should work in .oz354x ;) May 08 12:55:57 .dev May 08 12:56:14 it's really weird May 08 12:56:15 ah well, can't help you with that, sorry May 08 12:57:38 arm wiki: http://www.linux-arm.org/ May 08 12:58:11 CoreDump|home: thx anyway May 08 13:00:02 koen: http://www.linux-arm.org/LinuxDevTools/WebHome <- can you add OE? May 08 13:00:15 busy with it May 08 13:04:35 zecke: I added a link May 08 13:06:45 OZ just ate my vfat-CF card :-( May 08 13:06:49 I try bitbake opie-image and I get ... May 08 13:07:16 Overall the image I flashed seemed to be very unstable. May 08 13:07:47 Which one should I flash to try out the newly compiled Japanese input stuff? May 08 13:09:06 I got mine from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/ May 08 13:12:02 Have you had previous reports of filesystem corruption with vfat? May 08 13:13:37 how can I change to the different consoles in an akita with gpe? (in a desktop it would be ctrl+alt+Fx)? May 08 13:14:01 katossi: open a termnial and type 'chvt ' May 08 13:14:02 katossi: open terminal, type chvt May 08 13:14:22 zecke: http://www.arm.com/products/DevTools/CT11MPCore.html May 08 13:14:32 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dev * r735fb263... 10/packages/gstreamer/ (gst-plugins.inc gstreamer_0.10.4.bb gstreamer_0.10.5.bb): gstreamer-0.10,gst-plugins: set DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1 for gstreamer 0.10 packages until a proper naming scheme has been decided. fix MAINTAINER email address. May 08 13:14:50 zecke: koen answered first for 0.1 secs :) May 08 13:15:08 hmm, the ARM Company in UK just recognized OpenEmbedded, they've put a pointer to us here -> http://www.linux-arm.org/LinuxDevTools/ May 08 13:15:29 08 15:11 < zecke> koen: http://www.linux-arm.org/LinuxDevTools/WebHome <- can you add OE? May 08 13:15:32 08 15:11 < koen> busy with it May 08 13:15:35 08 15:16 < koen> zecke: I added a link May 08 13:15:39 schurig_: ;D May 08 13:15:43 oh, and I thought it was official ;-) May 08 13:15:49 :) May 08 13:15:50 schurig_: it is official May 08 13:16:02 Isn't that part of guerillia marketing? May 08 13:16:12 'viral marketing' May 08 13:16:29 I was tempted to put 'EABI' in the OE blurb May 08 13:18:05 schurig_: what was the name of your companies website? May 08 13:18:21 zecke: http://www.mn-solutions.de/, why? May 08 13:18:46 zecke: just omit the , at the end, it's part of the sentence, not the URL .-) May 08 13:19:07 schurig_: I was searching for a target for the DoS May 08 13:19:47 ~lart zecke May 08 13:19:48 * ibot takes zecke to the vet for a "special" visit May 08 13:20:05 vet? veterinary doctor? May 08 13:20:17 yes May 08 13:20:25 Hmm, maybe that type of doc could have a look at your stomach :-) May 08 13:20:43 my stomach is fine ;) May 08 13:21:12 zecke: maybe now, but hopefully not after the vet looked at it ... :-) May 08 13:22:49 > Please do provide some pointers. May 08 13:22:50 char *ptr; May 08 13:22:52 ;D May 08 13:23:06 mickeyl: morsche May 08 13:23:11 cheers May 08 13:23:20 hey mickeyl May 08 13:23:22 is seriously nobody testing/using gpe from .dev in akita? The stylus is dead (I tried in two devices so no hardware prob) May 08 13:23:28 hey mickeyl May 08 13:23:33 NOTE: OOO Newsletter released. May 08 13:23:34 hrw|work: hmm, that's only ONE pointer, singular. So maybe "char *ptr1, *ptr2;" would be more helpful ... May 08 13:23:34 hi mickeyl May 08 13:23:36 mickeyl: hi! May 08 13:23:38 katossi: you are testing it May 08 13:23:44 hey schurig_, how are things? May 08 13:23:46 ~aktia May 08 13:23:50 ~akita May 08 13:23:52 i guess akita is the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog May 08 13:24:01 katossi: gosh you are rich! May 08 13:24:06 mickeyl: fine, busy with my garden. We finally got a "Terasse" two weeks ago ... May 08 13:24:21 so it made sense to start over with some serious gardening May 08 13:24:33 zecke: I wish!! I am in the uni and we have 5 here, most of the time not being used in a box :( May 08 13:25:01 schurig_: cool. sounds like I should visit you again in summer :)) May 08 13:25:17 katossi: five? May 08 13:25:24 the weather in germany now is better than in summer May 08 13:25:34 zecke: yes why? May 08 13:25:41 mickeyl: sure, every time. Natalie is as cute as ever and Sarah follows her quite nicely :-) May 08 13:25:49 katossi: nice budget, in that case May 08 13:26:08 zecke: european union budget May 08 13:26:13 schurig_: :) please greet 'em from me. If all goes well I can submit in June and then I'm finally a bit more "free". May 08 13:26:36 most of the times wasted money, I just hope I could share them with the people here (I wonder if I could...) May 08 13:26:37 * zecke picks up his pom poms May 08 13:26:41 *go* mickeyl *go* May 08 13:27:06 katossi: I think no GPE dev even has an aktia May 08 13:27:14 (even if touchscreen should just work) May 08 13:27:19 mickeyl: hop! hop! hop! hop! hop! May 08 13:27:31 :)) May 08 13:27:36 * schurig_ looked to much winter sky matches, like slalom ... May 08 13:28:11 zecke: too bad, would it really help? May 08 13:28:38 * ade|desk grumbles something about being slated for bad use of English in his dissertation proposal May 08 13:28:38 * mickeyl thinks, mail.handhelds.org need to be kicked May 08 13:28:58 ~lart koffice once more May 08 13:28:58 * ibot whacks koffice once more upside the head May 08 13:29:03 hi mickeyl May 08 13:29:07 hey pb_ May 08 13:31:16 mickeyl: another image for your tosa. http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/image/ May 08 13:31:28 do13: thanks. will flash tonite May 08 13:31:49 do13: any schedule for the expansion cartridge? i payed so much for it... i want to use it :)) May 08 13:32:37 although it looks like a C-Net phone with the cartridge May 08 13:32:41 heh May 08 13:33:17 OT: I just bought a new T-Shirt with a cool quote from Oscar Wilde May 08 13:33:23 May 08 13:33:30 "I can resist everything but temptation" May 08 13:33:32 :D May 08 13:33:34 mickeyl: hopefully the next days May 08 13:36:01 mickeyl: the headline at http://oe.handhelds.org/ says "OOO Newsletter 2006.05", but the link points to 200508 May 08 13:36:52 grrr, anyone trying to watch the giro on TV? May 08 13:38:04 schurig_: oops. thanks May 08 13:38:08 * mickeyl fixes May 08 13:40:23 * koen reads May 08 13:41:04 mickeyl: thanks! May 08 13:41:13 :) May 08 13:41:28 mickeyl: I added the dreambox branch this morning May 08 13:41:53 koen: ah right. forgot about that one, thanks May 08 13:43:36 katossi: probably, as everybody here is pretty busy May 08 13:44:12 mickeyl: CoreDump|home got his poodle today May 08 13:44:20 ~poodle May 08 13:44:22 somebody said poodle was sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog May 08 13:44:38 koen: ah that's good news. did they customs finally release it May 08 13:44:42 s/they/the/ May 08 13:44:50 I guess so :) May 08 13:45:22 if all gets well, there will be a c3000 soon part of the OE project zaurii May 08 13:45:33 s/gets/goes7 May 08 13:45:43 mickeyl: TT is about to release its ICBMs to retaliate for the Opie section ;) May 08 13:46:12 Intercontinental Ballistic and Cruise Missiles ? May 08 13:46:18 yes May 08 13:46:22 heh May 08 13:46:25 possibl May 08 13:46:26 e May 08 13:46:27 *toothache* May 08 13:46:38 i guess lorn will come personally and gimme a slap May 08 13:46:38 heh May 08 13:46:47 | cc1plus: error: unrecognized option `-fvisibility-inlines-hidden' May 08 13:46:55 * koen stabs uicmoc4-native-4.1.1-r0/ May 08 13:47:23 hmm May 08 13:47:28 which g++? May 08 13:47:31 koen: oh, that could be me May 08 13:47:33 (using oz-unstable) May 08 13:47:41 ah unstable May 08 13:48:11 koen@bitbake:~/OE/build$ g++ --version May 08 13:48:11 g++ (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-13) May 08 13:48:20 mickeyl: have you seen MicroSUSE yet? May 08 13:48:21 time to upgrade ;) May 08 13:48:36 zecke: only heard about it. what's its supposed to be? May 08 13:48:47 mickeyl: MicroSUSE :) May 08 13:49:05 mickeyl: it is a buildroot that launches crosstool to build gcc+glibc May 08 13:49:14 hmm May 08 13:49:22 mickeyl: but the goal is May 08 13:49:42 mickeyl: Build Micro Distributions for x86,s390,arm,ppc from already compiled packages May 08 13:49:51 mickeyl: to speedup development May 08 13:49:56 hmm May 08 13:49:57 drat May 08 13:50:03 I think OE lacks s390 support May 08 13:50:19 lots of new pdas whill use s390 ;) May 08 13:50:21 zecke: sounds neat, but why do we need a dedicated distro for that? May 08 13:50:39 mickeyl: he is a SUSE guy, but we should advertise OE there May 08 13:50:51 zecke: yeah sounds like a plan May 08 13:50:55 mickeyl: basicly he gave up on compiling glibc after a week and started using crosstool May 08 13:51:02 hehe May 08 13:51:13 mickeyl: basicly koen already added 'create images from feeds' May 08 13:51:19 *toothache* May 08 13:51:33 actually hrw added it, I wrote the first hacky version May 08 13:51:34 :D May 08 13:51:36 Crofton: I feel bullshitted, I had no toothache before visiting the doc... May 08 13:51:49 heh May 08 13:51:59 zecke: it will pass... didn't you took your meds today? ;) May 08 13:52:03 When I had my root canal, I had gone in for emergency filling May 08 13:52:12 because I was in agony May 08 13:52:21 It hurt for another week May 08 13:52:27 the root canal was painless May 08 13:52:28 Crofton: hehe, I waited once again May 08 13:52:38 Crofton: well the root-canal is still fine... May 08 13:53:20 BTW: we have ~60 answers to the survey now May 08 13:53:20 update g++ to 4.something May 08 13:53:30 zecke, cool May 08 13:53:59 by the looks of it the statistics on it aren't going to be very hard May 08 13:54:07 but we'll see in a few eeks May 08 13:54:11 weeks even May 08 13:54:16 and it only looks like koen amounts for half of the entries May 08 13:54:28 koen: gcc4 is evil:) May 08 13:54:36 I only filled one out May 08 13:57:07 * hrw|work filled once May 08 13:58:41 have the xorg source hassles been resolved? May 08 13:59:02 zecke: I have reviewed most of the soc proposals now May 08 14:01:38 good May 08 14:01:44 pb__: some are lengthy and good May 08 14:02:09 Crofton: they should be May 08 14:02:19 mickeyl: you need to take ownership! May 08 14:02:49 yep. only reviewed 2 or 3 yet. May 08 14:02:52 there are even new proposals :} May 08 14:03:01 do you have the link to the mentor interface handy? May 08 14:03:06 mickeyl: +2 koen, +4 mithro ;) May 08 14:03:12 yay! May 08 14:03:12 mentor_home.html May 08 14:03:17 http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html May 08 14:03:17 on code.google.com/soc/ May 08 14:03:21 thanks May 08 14:05:08 pb__: "GPE-Login replacement", did you read that? May 08 14:05:22 * Crofton wishes monotone was faster at pulling, and it was easier to prop across branches so I can get the xorg fixes .. May 08 14:05:54 * pb__ McDonald +1 May 08 14:05:59 zecke: not yet May 08 14:06:32 zecke: where would I find it? May 08 14:06:39 pb__: on the 2nd page May 08 14:07:36 oh, heh, I didn't notice there were multiple pages May 08 14:07:45 I see it now May 08 14:07:47 pb__: me neither May 08 14:08:03 hey pb__ May 08 14:09:12 what is Angula? May 08 14:09:36 gnome'ish ide May 08 14:09:44 reenoo: that is Anjuta? May 08 14:10:08 err sorry, misread that May 08 14:10:29 dedicated Audio Distribution May 08 14:10:40 that'd be agnula May 08 14:10:46 ;) May 08 14:11:02 hi reenoo May 08 14:11:07 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r055fac88... 10/conf/machine/simpad.conf: simpad.conf: Default to CL4/T-Sinus Pad flash size and don't install big applications. May 08 14:11:17 oops May 08 14:11:22 * mickeyl finally discovers page 2 as well May 08 14:11:29 heh May 08 14:11:42 mickeyl: I found it by searching for mithro's proposal May 08 14:12:39 heh, it's funny to see the pdaxrom thing in here May 08 14:13:09 I rated the gpe-login thing +1 May 08 14:13:24 pb__: Skyhusker is a nice guy May 08 14:13:36 pb__: why do you need a new login manager? May 08 14:13:40 zecke: actually agnula is a EU funded umbrella project for various audio related projects. they've done two distros, demudi and remudi, IIRC May 08 14:13:57 ah right May 08 14:14:02 I have seen these names as well May 08 14:14:11 zecke: (demudi being the debian derived one, remudi the redhat derived one) May 08 14:14:26 zecke: that was my question as well May 08 14:14:34 I don't actually think we do May 08 14:14:57 pb__: if his answer makes sense you should look for a mentor for him May 08 14:19:26 yeah, either florian or I could do that May 08 14:21:15 ah, I see he submitted a second application as well May 08 14:22:50 pb__: Audio Player, this sounds like a better idea May 08 14:24:27 yeah May 08 14:24:40 indeed May 08 14:25:29 I marked that one +2 May 08 14:25:38 and, to balance out my karma, I marked another one -2 May 08 14:25:54 heh May 08 14:26:09 hehe May 08 14:26:46 pb__: does the proposal includes gstreamer 0.10 + ivorbis plugin fixups? would be a pity if the result was yet another player that doesn't work on the target hardware :( May 08 14:27:05 reenoo: 1st week look at available engines May 08 14:27:41 reenoo: and this guy codec on Opie-IRC and other apps, so he should (still) have the target hardware May 08 14:28:28 yeah. he does include a "usable player" as one of the deliverables. May 08 14:28:39 so, if it doesn't work on the target hardware, he won't get his money May 08 14:29:10 what about package dependency consistence in oe, I'd like to build a minimal Xserver, is bitbake xserver-kdrive enough? ( I had build a bootstrap-image before, to flash the zaurus, ipkg should update the zaurus with xserver ) May 08 14:29:30 that reminds me May 08 14:29:35 zecke: well, SkyHusker already wrote an audio player for GPE. it used to have issues with the gstreamer environment on the target... May 08 14:29:44 RP: you once promised me a miminal mb-image... remember? :)) May 08 14:29:45 ah okay May 08 14:29:54 pb__: sounds good May 08 14:30:50 sws: basically you should be able to do it May 08 14:36:38 RP: ping May 08 14:39:15 ~lart rmk May 08 14:39:15 * ibot beats rmk into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy May 08 14:40:26 RP: about your SW_[1-7] patch rename... Sash wrote patch for usb host/device notifications - used SW_3+ iirc May 08 14:41:08 hmm, i think that libgsmc thing would be interesting May 08 14:41:29 mickeyl: well, this library is pretty boring/simple May 08 14:41:31 hrw|work: any idea where to get sashs uboot from? May 08 14:41:47 zecke: true enough, but that it's stuff that needs to be done May 08 14:43:15 mickeyl: currently only from him May 08 14:43:18 mickeyl: this lib shows little promise May 08 14:43:31 zecke: *shrug* you're the gsm expert May 08 14:43:32 mickeyl: he release his buildsystem from time to time May 08 14:43:40 hrw|work: *nod* May 08 14:43:44 hrw|work: how to flash it, how to recover from bad flash? May 08 14:44:06 mickeyl: write to line AT+CFUN? May 08 14:44:13 mickeyl: and four more functions ;) May 08 14:44:38 is oesf.org down? May 08 14:45:00 zecke: it is May 08 14:45:10 zecke: dreamhost breaks everyday around this time May 08 14:45:11 that is sad :( May 08 14:45:21 http://www.openembedded.de/ May 08 14:45:22 zecke: i had a more high level abstraction in mind May 08 14:45:24 what is that May 08 14:45:35 zecke: like, e.g. functions to read from phonebook, sms, etc. May 08 14:45:55 mickeyl: yes, but his source (only one file) is pretty simple May 08 14:46:02 and taken from gnokii May 08 14:46:03 mickeyl: look at gammu? May 08 14:46:17 zecke: dont know (u-boot) May 08 14:46:30 mickeyl: http://www.hanafjedle.net/libgsmc/files/releases/v0.1.0/files/src/gsmc.c May 08 14:48:04 hmm May 08 14:48:08 not quite what I had in mind May 08 14:48:14 but hey... it's a proposal :) May 08 14:49:06 mickeyl: what is your opinion on openembedded.de? May 08 14:49:12 mickeyl: "trittbrettfahrer" May 08 14:49:19 zecke: it's free? let's grab it May 08 14:49:28 mickeyl: no May 08 14:49:29 mickeyl: it's taken by emlix.de May 08 14:49:32 ah May 08 14:49:33 bummer May 08 14:49:38 would they support a link? May 08 14:49:39 mickeyl: "emlix.com" grabbed and deroutes it May 08 14:49:55 mickeyl: no, they want to generate revenue from mistyping :} May 08 14:50:14 http://www.openembedded.com/ is owned by home.pl May 08 14:51:51 aha May 08 14:52:11 koen: hehe, you think of .com... May 08 14:52:12 udev only creates two /dev/input/event* devices May 08 14:52:26 and hx4700_ts is number 3 May 08 14:56:06 koen: c7x0 has 3 May 08 14:56:23 it worked after a reboot May 08 14:58:13 is there a better way tp copy changes between branches then using monotone propogate? May 08 14:58:34 manual diffs? May 08 14:59:23 heh May 08 14:59:38 Periodically I update my local branch from dev May 08 14:59:50 manual diffs won't cut it May 08 15:00:02 then propagate is the way to go May 08 15:00:18 propagate sucks :) May 08 15:00:23 koen: hmm May 08 15:00:25 hmm May 08 15:01:15 * Crofton is bitching in hope someone can tell him he is doing something wrong, not that things are better in .26 :) May 08 15:01:30 things are even better in 0.27 May 08 15:01:33 (or will be) May 08 15:01:35 heh May 08 15:01:40 koen: what will it support? May 08 15:01:54 zecke: pyrokineses May 08 15:02:08 ? May 08 15:09:55 * chouimat is away: Lunch! May 08 15:21:43 mickey|homewards: I do remember. I'll sort that out at some point May 08 15:22:07 hrw|work: I hadn't see that patch. I'm not sure mainline will take it :-/ May 08 15:23:23 RP: I'll talk with sash about it next time May 08 15:25:16 cu all May 08 15:25:32 cya May 08 15:26:00 good to see sash as mentor for hh.org, he might grow up May 08 15:26:33 * koen hates pcmcia-cs May 08 15:34:35 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r02436fea... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: ipaq-pxa270.conf: fix touchscreen by autoloading evdev and use pcmciautils May 08 15:38:28 I have a feeling that h2200.conf needs a similar change May 08 15:38:37 but I guess I'll find out tomorrow May 08 15:44:48 i don't see any obvious bugs listed in the tracker, May 08 15:45:02 but has anyone else noticed problems with baking gpe-image lately? May 08 15:45:36 or for that matter, has anyone baked a gpe-image lately ;) May 08 15:49:34 HI, I want to test the Japanese input stuff. Is http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/collie/opie-image-3.5.4-collie.initrd.bin a good image? I had nothing but problems with it (update via WLAN took hours and finally crashed, copy operation on vfat CF card resulted in corrupted filesystem, generally it made a very unstable impression) May 08 15:49:52 Is there something not so bleeding edge? May 08 15:49:53 raduga: I did this morning, no problems seen May 08 15:50:09 raduga: Where does it fail? May 08 15:50:51 failing when grabbing X.org packages; bad file or pathnames May 08 15:51:06 being doing so for ~ a week or so. May 08 15:51:13 (building for akita) May 08 15:51:23 let me see... May 08 15:51:55 here's one: May 08 15:51:56 NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/src/lib/libXau-1.0.0.tar.bz2 May 08 15:52:08 (also can't find on oesources) May 08 15:52:33 raduga: oh, that'll be because I have all sources cached May 08 15:52:36 raduga: these thing have been fixed recently May 08 15:52:42 raduga: you sure you have latest in OE? May 08 15:52:50 laibsch: how recently? May 08 15:52:56 XorA: no, he does not ;-) May 08 15:53:04 my 'latest' is three days old ;) May 08 15:53:18 raduga: days, we measure time in seconds round here :-) May 08 15:53:19 just about to build with ~ 5 minute old mt May 08 15:53:22 raduga: I think the last changes were made yesterday. May 08 15:53:29 They fetch fine now. May 08 15:53:29 is 5 minutes already too old? May 08 15:53:36 laibsch: thanks May 08 15:53:41 raduga: sometimes ;-) May 08 15:54:11 raduga: I had the same problems and submitted a patch for the URLs I was able to fix. May 08 15:54:48 laibsch: ehe. yesterday early, I looked in the open bug db for any other reports May 08 15:54:57 bug 935 May 08 15:55:04 and then again this morning. you must have submitted, and got it fixed, in between the two times i looked May 08 15:55:06 thanks May 08 15:55:08 and 936 IIRC. May 08 15:55:14 Those are the ones I submitted. May 08 15:56:17 * raduga whee May 08 15:56:34 * raduga parallel baking May 08 15:56:55 bitbake making me a GPE, May 08 15:57:07 if I have switched from building images with 2.4 kernel to images with the 2.6 kernel what all shoudl I clean...so far I found i had to clean initscripts to clear the warning on boot about the wrong kernel...is there anything else or shoudl I blow away oetmp and start over? May 08 15:57:12 breadmaker at home, baking me a loaf of cracked wheat berry bread May 08 15:57:53 nevarrie: it doesn't hurt to nuke temp and restart; if you have the patience to wait for a rebuild May 08 16:00:50 I think I can be patient enough...building again... May 08 16:09:42 nevarrie: Are you building oz354x for tosa 2.6? May 08 16:17:50 do13: yes May 08 16:18:17 nevarrie: ok. this should work:) May 08 16:20:17 do13: I have been using an e-image-core with 2.6 for the last few days with only a few issues and several of the issues seem to be that it think is shoudl be running 2.4.18 kernel instead of 2.6.16...hopefully this rebuild will fix some of those...then I can start documenting bugs on 2.6... May 08 16:49:21 Guys, vfat for CF needs some serious bug hunting. It is completely fucked up and ate my data again. May 08 16:49:44 3.5.4 is an unbelievably unstable release. May 08 16:49:52 I correct, it is not even a release. May 08 16:49:53 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcc2b1d13... 10/conf/machine/h2200.conf: h2200.conf: use pcmciautils instead of pcmcia-cs May 08 16:49:54 Laibsch: you are in the wrong channel May 08 16:49:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6ba2bb7b... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): handhelds pxa 2.6 cvs: add patches by Marcin 'hrw' Juzkiewicz to add some pcmcia ids May 08 16:50:05 such rants should be directed to #openzaurus May 08 16:50:09 pb__: I am in the dev channel. May 08 16:50:22 I want the devs to know about and fix this bug. May 08 16:50:24 Thank you. May 08 16:51:19 This is not something minorly important. Something like this should NEVER happen. This is not about support. May 08 16:51:38 The problem is, you're talking to the wrong developers May 08 16:51:59 Who are the right devs? May 08 16:52:10 I guess, they are not in #openzaurs, are they? May 08 16:52:23 yes, that's exactly where they are May 08 16:52:50 It is news to me that #openzaurus is a dev channel after all. May 08 16:53:06 at least, that's assuming you are talking about OpenZaurus 3.5.4. May 08 16:53:12 yes, I am. May 08 16:53:36 * kergoth chuckles May 08 16:53:55 Funny. May 08 16:54:10 Have you read that I said this was not about support? May 08 16:54:25 Or are you just trying to prove your point? May 08 16:54:48 I read what you said, yes. May 08 16:54:48 if you have a bug, use the bts. distribution specific stuff doesnt belong here. May 08 16:54:49 period. May 08 16:54:55 Man - seriously - of the 100 people in here, maybe 3 or 4 are OZ developers, and they're only in here because this is a tool tha they use May 08 16:54:55 Or are you not interested in something as problematic as this? May 08 16:55:08 personally? no, I am not interested in something as problematic as that. May 08 16:55:19 I am not an openzaurus developer, and neither are most of the folks in this channel. May 08 16:57:46 So, you are sure this is an OZ bug, off-hand? Nice. May 08 16:58:24 But I got your point you are not concerned about data loss - for you and others. May 08 16:58:25 laibsch: if there are some problems with 2.6 vfat code, they probably should get reported upstream May 08 16:58:30 Unfortunate May 08 16:58:53 but definitely do post it in the bug tracker May 08 16:58:57 Laibsch: listen to what is being said - I'm sure that somebody cares, but since nobody in this room deals with OZ, we can't help May 08 16:59:10 bugs will get fixed faster, when posted there, than posted in IRC May 08 16:59:32 I will post it, don't worry. May 08 16:59:50 kergoth: good morning May 08 16:59:54 s/good // May 08 17:00:06 :-} May 08 17:00:12 ~mornings May 08 17:00:13 Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) May 08 17:02:25 Laibsch: this really isnt that difficult to understand. distributions are responsible for their own bug reporting and support channels (not in the irc sense, in the more generic one). this channel exists for the bitbake and oe tools and metadata they happen to use. May 08 17:02:42 it's also possible that your card itself ias having problems. May 08 17:03:18 more people have reported issues with SD than CF media, but it's not out of the realm of possible for CF to have similar problems May 08 17:03:28 kergoth: How come you are so sure this is not a more general OE problem? Or even more general, a kernel problem, as was suggested? May 08 17:03:48 if its a kernel problem, thats still an OZ problem. May 08 17:03:52 you dont seem to understand what OE is. May 08 17:03:59 raduga: The card has been working fine forever. I doubt it just quit exactly the time I moved to OZ. May 08 17:04:21 many SD cards don't "like" being reformatted; and become unreliable after having done so. some SD cards will never work reliably with Zaurus in any event. That may be due to a bad batch of chips out of china, but its never been fully resolved. May 08 17:04:24 hm May 08 17:04:36 raduga: CF card, not SD. May 08 17:05:01 If it were SD, I'd understand much better. May 08 17:06:16 might even be collie-specific, for all we can see May 08 17:06:25 kergoth: I do understand. And I do understand that package related problems and code related problems ARE being discussed here. If you really believe what you are saying I guess only bitbake would be on-topic here. Everything else would be distribution, wouldn't it? May 08 17:06:34 raduga: might be. May 08 17:07:15 kergoth: welcome back to the Zaurus community :) May 08 17:07:29 kergoth: hope you enjoy your visit May 08 17:08:13 * chouimat is back. May 08 17:13:47 Laibsch: once again, you're missing the point. whether the bug is common to multiple distros in oe or not is irrelevent. the distribution is the proper bug reporting channel. you go through them. May 08 17:29:08 re May 08 18:05:20 hi reenoo May 08 18:05:37 hey pb_ May 08 18:21:34 heh May 08 18:21:35 Checked out revision 1337. May 08 18:21:44 matchbox is so 1337 right now ;) May 08 18:22:12 koen: thx for the mirror :) May 08 18:23:19 hey everybody. back after a week in california. May 08 18:23:37 hey HopsNBarley May 08 18:23:55 this a good day to do an update? May 08 18:27:30 good evening :) May 08 18:27:55 stupid question of the day: what's the right way to submit patches? May 08 18:29:34 HopsNBarley: bugtracker May 08 18:30:40 * raduga is back in california, after a week May 08 18:30:42 in california May 08 18:30:57 * raduga expects to spend next week, and many more, in california, too May 08 18:31:06 hops: where were you? May 08 18:33:16 * RP returns May 08 18:34:30 RP: wb May 08 18:37:41 anyone in communication with sash? May 08 18:37:58 zecke: good evening May 08 18:39:26 zecke: isn't that a contradictio in terminis? May 08 18:44:55 even silence can be a form of communication May 08 18:44:55 * mickey|housework waits patiently while transmitting familiar 0.8.4-rc2 over a serial line to a h3600 with an astounding bandwidth of 9300cps May 08 18:45:58 mickey|housework: heh, should we seek donations to buy you a cf card? May 08 18:47:20 pb_: heh. where should i stick it in? left the jacket in the office :D May 08 18:47:28 mickey|housework: doh May 08 18:53:24 * chouimat is away: stuff May 08 18:53:48 koen: well, I wonder if he knows that money will go to the mentoring org May 08 18:53:52 koen: and not to him :} May 08 18:54:28 zecke: and the mentoring org can give it to the mentors May 08 18:56:03 koen: could, but I don't think this is the case May 08 18:56:19 JustinP: would you like to be a SoC Mentor? May 08 18:56:52 zecke: erik said that you could get the mentor fee if you want May 08 18:57:34 oh May 08 18:57:36 hmm May 08 18:57:53 I don't like the idea hh.org paying pdaXrom :} May 08 18:57:55 anyway May 08 18:58:11 mm, I don't really feel our mentors ought to be getting paid at all May 08 18:59:37 my believe was money would go to hh.org May 08 18:59:41 yeah May 08 18:59:48 that's what happened last year May 08 18:59:52 sash is mentoring? May 08 19:00:03 yup May 08 19:00:24 Do we know which project(s) yet? May 08 19:00:54 I don't remember offhand. Something to do with pdaXrom I think. May 08 19:00:56 zecke would probably know. May 08 19:01:07 * pb_ no access to google at the moment May 08 19:03:32 "I would really like to enhance security in pdaXrom, which is quite a May 08 19:03:32 mess now or I would love to finish my fvwm-pdaxrom project ( May 08 19:03:32 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16649 ) to add smaller May 08 19:03:32 and faster UI tuned for pdaXrom." May 08 19:03:57 they want a smaller window manager, so they pick fvwm? May 08 19:04:06 Thats using the old noggin May 08 19:04:34 time for 94 minutes of crap: "alone in the dark - the movie" May 08 19:05:26 *tired* May 08 19:05:45 mickey|housework: ping May 08 19:05:59 no enegery for the physics exam :} May 08 19:07:07 raduga, now: florida, soon: bay area. May 08 19:12:50 fvwm2 does sound like an "interesting" choice :-/ May 08 19:14:22 psst May 08 19:14:45 JustinP: we have an E proposal, without a mentor May 08 19:14:57 if it gets accepted would you consider helping us mentoring? May 08 19:17:38 maybe mickey|housework can mentor that one. May 08 19:17:57 he has the e 5k1llz, right? May 08 19:18:06 right May 08 19:18:27 pb_: finishing his PhD brings him close enough to insanity to work on E May 08 19:18:40 :-} May 08 19:18:46 poor mickey May 08 19:19:04 * zecke considers doing his physics asisgnment now :} May 08 19:19:14 good idea May 08 19:19:37 pb_: no, I have no energy ;) May 08 19:19:51 pb_: and tomorrow we have a class were we will discuss the assignment :} May 08 19:20:23 ah, that old problem May 08 19:20:44 pb_: we still have to turn it in May 08 19:21:32 ibot, seen mreimer? May 08 19:21:42 mreimer was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 11d 19h 9m 15s ago, saying: 'Ecco: I felt pretty stupid too when someone told me that :-)'. May 08 19:25:38 The good and bad thing about physics assignments is they tend to only have one right answer... May 08 19:30:18 RP: right... but he doesn't use tex to do the assignments May 08 19:30:36 RP: so you wonder if a name is a vector, scalar, index... May 08 19:31:06 RP: and currently we started doing mechanichs - which is known from high school May 08 19:31:49 After a few years of deciphering physics notation off chalk boards, you can read nearly anything... May 08 19:32:34 mechanics should be too bad :) May 08 19:32:36 RP: what only annoys me is the usage of the 'd' operator May 08 19:32:46 RP: for differentiation May 08 19:33:33 full or partial diff? May 08 19:33:54 ah. They hopefully avoid using it for other things... May 08 19:33:56 it is physics, the mix it ;) May 08 19:34:00 they May 08 19:34:30 I had too many math classes to get the physics notation May 08 19:34:44 you should do EE May 08 19:34:52 that's physics using the math notation :) May 08 19:35:07 we will get there as well May 08 19:35:17 and well I had a class of that already (basics) May 08 19:35:28 You both should try full blown physics. I spent most of the first year in the maths dept... May 08 19:35:28 I even programmed gals already May 08 19:37:27 RP: v = ds/dt May 08 19:37:32 and this gets me annoyed :} May 08 19:37:41 is it v(s) or v(t) :} May 08 19:38:09 ah May 08 19:38:53 zecke: or v(s,t) :) May 08 19:39:07 RP: I just looked at my math book for engineers May 08 19:39:19 RP: and they introduce the notation in a sane way May 08 19:39:32 RP: now I just have to map the wrong notation to what is meant by it :} May 08 19:41:11 * RP notes Kreyszig (Advanced Engineering Mathematics) is still on the shelf. The nice thing is I can leave it there :) May 08 19:41:39 hehe, I need to get books as well May 08 19:42:02 RP: I take a special Physics for Minors class May 08 19:42:20 okay back to writing May 08 19:42:21 heh. that sounds kind of odd May 08 19:42:34 reenoo: how would you translate Nebenfach? May 08 19:42:46 pb_: how is policy writing going? May 08 19:43:18 reenoo: Actually it is "Physik für Naturwissenschaftler" May 08 19:43:22 zecke: oh, very badly May 08 19:43:44 zecke: not sure. I guess the "for" isn't quite right May 08 19:44:22 probably :) May 08 19:45:02 zecke: if only I was a student, I could have applied for a SoC project to develop these policies May 08 19:45:37 * zecke starts to watch a movie about Ulrike Meinhof May 08 19:45:37 what type of policies? May 08 19:46:07 reenoo: "If you fuck up a core package you have not read our policy"-policy May 08 19:46:27 zecke: ah, ok May 08 19:46:45 This is for OE? May 08 19:46:46 reenoo: at fosdem, pb agreed to write something up May 08 19:46:55 reenoo: I don't remeber the content though ;) May 08 19:47:00 just how the bar looked like May 08 19:47:34 reenoo: I think it was. Do not touch a bbclass or a 'core' package without asking others and testing May 08 19:47:56 njs: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=16533 May 08 19:48:57 since a few days I'm able to build any package directly with bb even if the package is not in conf/distro/slugos-packages.conf May 08 19:49:22 in the past I could only build packages mentioned in the conf file straight away May 08 19:49:31 for others I had do cd to the package dir and do bb -b May 08 19:49:35 eFfeM: using -b ? May 08 19:49:37 bug or feature? May 08 19:49:43 nope, without -b May 08 19:49:48 bug May 08 19:49:57 eFfeM: how is your BBFILES looking? May 08 19:50:04 eFfeM: how many packages are parsed? May 08 19:50:19 zecke: Keep in mind I think the mastermakefile locks down BBFILES May 08 19:50:40 RP: slugos-packages sets BBFILES as well May 08 19:50:41 no idea about BBFILES, I am on nslu2 and using rwitby's mastermakefile May 08 19:50:50 about 3300 files parsed ... May 08 19:51:03 okay this explains why you can parse any file ;) May 08 19:51:14 3286 actually May 08 19:51:40 yep, figured that out, actually the system takes a little time if something is added and it needs to reparse May 08 19:51:59 eFfeM: that is openslug? May 08 19:52:07 koen|tv: cvssync was? May 08 19:52:16 yes May 08 19:52:47 eFfeM: I have seen that as well, my desktop is powered off, I will put it onto my list ;) May 08 19:52:51 i recognized this a few days ago but it might well be present for a few weeks May 08 19:52:51 Commit by graydon@pobox.com on net.venge.monotone :: r54bba40d63b8f4bd8103cf1049b3045a162e540a / (1 ChangeLog database.cc database.hh): May 08 19:53:23 wow 20% speed improvement on monotone pull May 08 19:53:23 zecke: ok, tnx, i'm not too good with bb or python May 08 19:53:44 zecke: This is for 0.27? May 08 19:53:58 * eFfeM found it a pity that the oe poll did not mention mt May 08 19:54:10 mt update can be slooooow if you have been away for a week or so May 08 19:55:56 effem: still faster than doing a pull from scratch May 08 19:59:48 raduga: not if you have 150 or so files that have to be merged. This took me probably 2 hrs, puliing a new db (at least for nslu2) is about 100 MB so only 5 or 10 minutes download ... May 08 20:01:14 njs: ah you merged it already May 08 20:01:21 Yipee I'm a monotone controbutor May 08 20:02:09 raduga, where are you in CA? May 08 20:02:29 zecke: You're a monotone dev now? :) May 08 20:03:18 RP: mtn db check May 08 20:03:27 RP: will call PRAGMA integrity_check ;) May 08 20:21:49 rp: what's +git? May 08 20:24:50 raduga: a version of the kernel pulled from git May 08 20:25:56 zecke: hmmmm.... May 08 20:26:01 zecke: where's the proposal? May 08 20:26:08 JustinP: not online May 08 20:26:12 I could msg it to you May 08 20:26:14 ah....well... May 08 20:26:32 I'm not sure what all is involved...sorry to say I haven't looked into the GSoC thing May 08 20:26:44 sure, send it to me, I can check it out May 08 20:27:07 JustinP: mail or msg? May 08 20:27:32 I am, however (unfortunately) not really intimite with the e17 code....I've only done a few patches, not written any of my own programs with them May 08 20:27:41 whichever you'd rather May 08 20:28:02 I'll see if I think I can mentor it May 08 20:32:22 I guess i should have upgrade bitbake a little sooner... May 08 20:34:13 mickey|housework: ping May 08 20:48:13 <_law_|iBook> http://pastebin.com/706154 any ideas how i can build i without the new dbus version May 08 20:48:56 not me May 08 20:49:16 what exactly are you trying to build? May 08 20:50:20 <_law_|iBook> pb_ gnome-vfs-dbus-svn-r0 May 08 20:51:10 I don't think you can build that with the old dbus. May 08 20:52:08 <_law_|iBook> pb_ hrw|gone told me he build it with that dbus version May 08 20:53:14 odd May 08 20:53:29 oh well, I guess you should take it up with him May 08 20:54:29 * _law_|iBook looks at hrw|gone May 08 20:54:52 _law_|iBook: hrw probably has a sRCDATE/cvsdate that predates the update in svn for dbus 0.60 May 08 21:06:29 woglinde: hey May 08 21:06:35 he zecke May 08 21:06:43 woglinde: will I meet you tomorrowà Should I bring money with me? May 08 21:06:49 woglinde: so you stop beating me up? May 08 21:07:16 sorry have no time tommorw May 08 21:07:25 no money for ya ;) May 08 21:07:51 zecke I will survive May 08 21:08:08 zecke: maybe you could donate to pdaXrom, so laze/sashz stop beating up on OE/OZ developers May 08 21:08:23 woglinde: rich capitalist May 08 21:08:28 * zecke just watched a Docu on Ulrike Meinhof :} May 08 21:08:49 zecke pff May 08 21:09:17 i have no car, so i cannt be a capitalust May 08 21:09:26 raduga: oh well, I'm not in favor of 'buying' cease fires May 08 21:09:36 woglinde: catapulist? May 08 21:09:54 woglinde: the guy who is launching the catapult? May 08 21:09:56 he type with one finger May 08 21:10:08 woglinde: use IBM Via Voice May 08 21:10:17 i am eating May 08 21:10:29 woglinde: capitalist... you are eating... May 08 21:10:39 woglinde: I#m breathing and typing at the same time May 08 21:10:43 ;) May 08 21:11:02 woglinde: take care tomorrow then, I will leave the money at thome then May 08 21:13:11 <_law_|iBook> n8 May 08 21:15:59 koen|tv: It appears .dev built with gcc 3.4.3 throws tons of alignment errors so it might not just be issues with EABI May 08 21:16:45 RP: didn't ph5 show us assembly some month ago? May 08 21:17:46 * JustinP considers building a cherrypicking script for monotone May 08 21:17:59 zecke: I don't remember seeing it... May 08 21:18:14 zecke: right, he sent it to the list May 08 21:19:25 I wonder if binutils is at fault... May 08 21:20:04 Its the only element of my toolchain that's been rebuilt... May 08 21:21:13 pb_: you raised some points on it. I wonder what the 'result' was May 08 21:22:35 yeah, I don't think ph5 replied to my mail May 08 21:23:02 Did somebody offer a prize for SDIO on OMAP or something? May 08 21:23:24 Seems like everybody is talking about it May 08 21:24:33 bye all May 08 21:24:56 zecke maybee we see us an wendsmay or thursday May 08 21:29:55 hi reenoo: I'm trying to do a hx4700 build of GPE and I'm still seeing Familiar 0.8.3 in /etc/issue. I updated the SDG bootldr to incorporate a power setting improvement and want to put out a new starterkit on sdgsystems.com for the community May 08 21:36:20 tnb: can I talk you into helping with the 0.8.4 release candidates rather than rolling your own images/kits? May 08 21:37:42 koen|tv: mickey|housework : RP: http://oe.pastebin.com/706272 May 08 21:37:58 first draft (not even care to spell check - so lower quality than the normal low) May 08 21:37:59 RP: hmmm May 08 21:38:22 reenoo: yeah, probably... though it would be good for me to be able to build here what you're building. I'll send you an e-mail to get the ball rolling. May 08 21:38:58 tnb: I checked in some changes to get .dev working again with the hx May 08 21:39:20 tnb: I'm waiting for ph5 to check in the new defconfig to complete the changes May 08 21:39:42 tnb: ok, cool. May 08 21:39:45 koen: sounds good May 08 21:39:59 cya tomorrow May 08 21:40:58 zecke: http://oe.pastebin.com/706291 May 08 21:41:09 zecke: Looks reasonable to me May 08 21:42:09 koen: is gobby working natively on OSX? May 08 21:42:20 I'd probably not wait as long as I'm impatient with things like that :) May 08 21:42:45 zecke: it should May 08 21:43:03 RP: hehe May 08 21:43:19 RP: +1 one day for rosteriying will be spend :} May 08 21:44:21 zecke: don't forget to send njs a copy of the proposal and scripts May 08 21:44:34 Hmm. Does running pccardctl with no options segfault for anyone else? May 08 21:45:15 koen: the scripts *void* May 08 21:45:37 koen: I lost the complete weekend on rosterify of OE :} May 08 21:45:40 *slow machine* May 08 21:45:51 koen: I'm now experimenting with colinux May 08 21:46:33 zecke: I think we can get access to a fast machine for the rosterify stuff May 08 21:47:20 hopefully it doesn't have an AMD CPU that chokes on floating point stuff May 08 21:47:25 heh May 08 21:47:40 you know we did a benchmark when we first switched to monotone? May 08 21:47:49 morning people May 08 21:48:00 opteron 242 (1800MHz) vs a Xeon EE 3.6GHz May 08 21:48:14 Xeon:23h Opteron: 18h May 08 21:48:33 lol May 08 21:48:52 the opteron cheated and skipped doing the calculation May 08 21:48:58 that was cvs -> monotone May 08 21:49:11 the new core duo might be faster as the amd counterparts May 08 21:49:50 nite May 08 21:49:57 good night zecke May 08 21:50:09 'night zecke May 08 21:50:26 yippe msp programming tomorrow :} May 08 21:50:51 zecke: what are the +? in that mail? May 08 21:51:18 pccardctl segfaults due to a constant not being set. How the compiler can let something compile with an unset constant, I have no idea :-/ May 08 21:52:03 RP: the new xserver seem to work pretty well May 08 21:52:13 mithro: YY a variable (day) May 08 21:52:17 e.g. 43 May 08 21:52:26 YY+1 -> 43+1 -> 44 May 08 21:52:33 RP: xserver-kdrive-fbdev_0.0+cvs20060312-r11_armv5te.ipk that is May 08 21:52:36 22+4 --> 22 + 4 days? May 08 21:52:45 YY+2 -> 43+2 -> 45 May 08 21:52:46 koen: I guess it does. I appear to have been running it :) May 08 21:53:03 mithro: YY is the day we begin with May 08 21:53:03 okay May 08 21:53:05 koen: Until the recent changes which resulted in the alignment errors :-/ May 08 21:53:09 yeah May 08 21:53:11 mithro: +N days from start May 08 21:53:20 zecke: yeah understand that its the +N could be in hours May 08 21:53:27 but even with alignment errors todays image (softfpa, gcc 4.0.2) is *fast* May 08 21:53:40 mithro: hehe, we move fast, but that fast? May 08 21:53:46 koen: Yes, it felt quick :) May 08 21:54:01 koen: benchmarks? May 08 21:54:11 mithro: only subjective ones May 08 21:54:21 it's good you have vendor branch migration May 08 21:54:47 it looks like vendors will lose renames May 08 21:55:18 koen: renames? May 08 21:55:23 I think we can fiddle with epochs a bit more May 08 21:55:24 root renaming? May 08 21:55:36 anyway cya May 08 21:55:37 zecke: file renames May 08 21:56:45 ah wait, I misread that May 08 21:56:56 "The list of the common revisions will be stored in the special directory" May 08 21:57:03 I read "the common revisions will be stored in the special directory" May 08 21:58:57 see ya people! May 08 21:59:20 see you May 08 22:00:50 rp: pccardctl has segfaulted for me, for weeks May 08 22:01:09 rp: thought I posted it to bugs tracker, but it looks like I hadn't May 08 22:10:32 zekoZeko, is the libc bug fixed :D ?.. reinstalled my comp, so May 08 22:11:01 rp: hm. is the QVGA patch for 2.6 (pxa27x_overlay-r0.patch ?) needed for VGA machines to to use QVGA display modes? May 08 22:11:20 or only needed for QVGA hardware (collie, etc)? May 08 22:11:29 (or both (what I imagine)) May 08 22:18:27 raduga: Just ignore that patch for now - it doesn't work May 08 22:21:46 thank you :) May 08 22:23:15 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0517fd7a... 10/packages/gpe-plucker/gpe-plucker_0.3.bb: gpe-plucker: update to 0.3 to fix crashes on load with non pdb files May 08 22:26:00 btw does X have on the fly screen resolution changes? May 08 22:27:32 mithro: yes, via xrandr May 08 22:27:45 X Resize AND Rotate May 08 22:28:06 does it suffer from the tslib problem? May 08 22:28:07 ctrl-alt-+ and ctrl-alt-- in the olden days May 08 22:28:27 no idea, I don't have a touchscreen on my workstation May 08 22:28:39 koen, have you tried? it might work May 08 22:29:42 welp May 08 22:29:44 go to run May 08 22:29:47 ctrl-alt-+ and ctrl-alt-- probably work fine... if your handheld had a keypad ;) May 08 22:29:48 see ya guys! May 08 22:30:06 iirc its just KP_plus and KP_minus that combination works on May 08 22:31:27 mithro: I haven't xrandr on OE/OZ, but I suspect it should work May 08 22:31:54 raduga: we've had randr since the beginning May 08 22:32:03 raduga: how else do you rotate the screen? May 08 22:32:17 koen: thanks, my suspicions were correct May 08 22:39:35 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6f8c35d9... 10/packages/gpe-plucker/gpe-plucker_0.4.bb: gpe-plucker: 0.4 fixes the crash, not 0.3 May 08 23:01:33 Is there anyway to show the dependency graph for a package? May 08 23:01:54 bitbake -nv is a close as you'll get May 08 23:02:15 ok May 08 23:02:36 I am trying to figure out why building something has sucked in X11 :) May 08 23:02:41 python I suspect May 08 23:03:19 python? May 08 23:03:48 depends on tcl and tk May 08 23:03:53 tk gets X I think May 08 23:05:40 ugh May 08 23:07:25 ug is right May 08 23:11:42 koen: any ETA on the libc issue, when starting from scratch it fails on ncurses (havent built cross-gcc..or anything) May 08 23:12:28 KenJlime: already fixed May 08 23:12:31 update bitbake May 08 23:12:51 either the stable branch (bitbake-1.4) or the unstable branch May 08 23:12:51 koen: hmm, to which version? running the recommended May 08 23:13:28 koen: gonna try the cvs version May 08 23:14:02 svn May 08 23:14:11 currently using bitbake-1.4 and still having that bug, but thats built from a ebuild so might be something there May 08 23:14:48 I suggest unmerging that and using a direct svn checkout for now May 08 23:15:01 well.... May 08 23:15:10 or wait for the ebuild to be updated... May 08 23:15:11 JustinP: doing that atm, trying the build again now with the new bitbake May 08 23:15:27 there is one ebuild that is using the svn, tried that May 08 23:15:58 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=944 why do people do this? May 08 23:16:01 follow the GettingStarted guide May 08 23:16:21 KenJlime: that one is probebly the HEAD version, you want the 1.4 stable branch, not HEAD May 08 23:17:06 JustinP: or bad things will happen? May 08 23:18:26 yes May 08 23:18:46 emte: I don't know, but it is unfortunate... May 08 23:19:03 JustinP, i meant the rant not the actual reporting May 08 23:19:25 there could be multiple reasons for what happend tho including CF failure May 08 23:19:52 someone else would have to try copying CF -> Cf through OZ to find out tho May 08 23:20:26 he was in here earlier to report the bug May 08 23:20:35 got quite angry when we told him this wasn't the place May 08 23:20:49 i am not sure it IS a bug myself May 08 23:21:02 rather than hw failure May 08 23:21:24 as it sounds like there are unaccessable blocks on his CF now May 08 23:24:02 raduga: The card has been working fine forever. I doubt it just quit exactly the time I moved to OZ. May 08 23:24:26 **it happens May 08 23:24:54 justin: it never happens when you're not doing anything important, or if there are no valuable files on it. May 08 23:24:58 raduga, did you ask him to repeate the process to confirm the behavior? May 08 23:25:14 he *did* say that he reflashed several times in the bug May 08 23:25:18 but if it's fromt he same card..... May 08 23:25:31 emte: he wasn't interested in confirming the behavior. he was concerned with getting his (lost) data back May 08 23:25:38 sounds like he may have wifi problems as well, though (or using graphical package manager problems) May 08 23:25:53 we're certainly not a data recovery group May 08 23:25:56 and wanted someone to help him recover it, or at least be sympathetic May 08 23:26:37 he should talk to kergoth more often if he wants sympathy :P May 08 23:26:49 i asked if he'd unmounted the fs before physically removing it from the Z May 08 23:26:52 lol May 08 23:27:19 he said he just clicked on the gui "remove CF" button, which he'd always done before, and had always worked before. May 08 23:27:45 also, you don't have to unmount a fat fs, before physically removing it, right? :P May 08 23:28:05 of course not, FAT is magic May 08 23:28:23 it dousn't need that journal crap because it just works May 08 23:28:23 lol May 08 23:28:40 but the "remove card" stuff always worked for me before... May 08 23:28:41 from what he first said to *me*, he copied a bunch of data to the card, hit the "remove CF" button, and pulled it May 08 23:28:50 without waiting to see if the buffers had unloaded or cleared May 08 23:28:57 well now *that* is stupid May 08 23:29:10 you have to wait for the "eject" to be acknowledged before you pull it May 08 23:29:12 that shouldnt affect the card physically tho .... May 08 23:29:22 no, but he hasn't reformatted it May 08 23:29:31 woudl corrupt/destroy data in transit May 08 23:29:33 I asked if he was sure there were no write buffers still full at time of removal, and he seemed to think the OS should have warned him if that were so May 08 23:29:42 FAT can act very strangely if it has problems May 08 23:29:47 true May 08 23:29:58 heh, yeah "wait, put that card back, I'm not done with it yet!" May 08 23:30:43 i must confess i've done it May 08 23:30:49 justinp: actually... syquest media tended to do, just that May 08 23:31:02 but usually the only thing that happens is the files i was copying were zeroed May 08 23:31:13 would physically lock the media in place, until the os finished any write transactions May 08 23:31:26 emte: yep :/ May 08 23:31:35 yeah ... syquest were ... an experiance May 08 23:31:59 he ran a dos chkdsk at some point in the middle of this. May 08 23:32:20 if you sneezed or looked at them wrong the data was gone, but if you threw it across the room and dropped a few books on em it was fine May 08 23:32:22 i think after the initial problems, but before he moved his "important files" to it May 08 23:33:09 card was... semi borked. he ran chkdsk... which semi-fixed, semi-borked it some more. May 08 23:33:15 dosfsck also has its problems May 08 23:33:23 THEN copied a bunch of files to discover... (omg, they're gone) May 08 23:33:30 yeah May 08 23:33:38 he should have bought an SD reader for his comp May 08 23:33:44 lol May 08 23:33:48 and backed that up before he started flashing his system May 08 23:34:07 i was curious why he was copying CF to CF through his Z May 08 23:34:08 hell, copying them to CF in the Sharp ROM first would have been better May 08 23:34:22 thougt he said move....perhaps he meant cf May 08 23:34:24 copy May 08 23:34:32 night all May 08 23:34:44 move/copy ... almost the same thing with out the unlink :) May 08 23:35:02 btw, i lost some very important files, the last time i upgraded to OZ :( May 08 23:35:26 yeah ... i stopped storing those on my ipaq May 08 23:35:34 they were sitting in /home, before i mkfs'ed it. May 08 23:35:55 i can say that I'm pretty upset with the person who made that mkfs. May 08 23:36:04 * raduga stabs raduga May 08 23:37:31 emte: if i had backed them up to my desktop machine, I probably would have (accidentally) rm'ed that, too May 08 23:38:44 does any PDA have hardware 3d accel yet? May 08 23:39:06 mithro: only PDAs that fly on the Space Shuttle or ISS May 08 23:39:42 mithro: i think, maybe dedicated gaming handhelds May 08 23:40:04 mithro: general-purpose PDA/phone/etc don't use them yet May 08 23:40:06 i'm just wondering if it would be possible to do Compiz like things on Handhelds :) May 08 23:40:15 compiz? May 08 23:40:43 actually doesnt the oxygen ones have 3d? May 08 23:41:00 mithro: i'm not sure what the real bottleneck is, but i think power might be one of them May 08 23:41:23 raduga: the cool 3d rotate etc effects May 08 23:41:42 mithro: rotate effects in the gui? May 08 23:41:47 or in applications? May 08 23:42:44 in GUI May 08 23:42:47 opengl works... in software May 08 23:42:58 not fast, but its ok :) May 08 23:43:22 hmm i must eb thinking of soemthing else ... oxygen isnt getting any hits May 08 23:45:46 mithro, you may want to read this: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4516 May 08 23:46:24 it looks like ATI will have a toy soon May 08 23:46:29 emte: yep May 08 23:46:34 wonder how much power it will eat May 08 23:47:07 http://www.ati.com/products/handheld/products.html May 08 23:47:08 and if we can find a way to use to do FP math for us ;) May 08 23:47:23 lots of cellphons May 08 23:48:18 heh - opengl es May 08 23:48:30 * raduga remembers using DOS tools to use 768k of video ram, as a ramdisk... May 08 23:48:40 2D acclerations are good enough for me May 08 23:48:54 cosmic: I'll take any/all the acceleration I can get May 08 23:49:32 blits (solid and alpha) and rotations - that'll get you a long ways May 08 23:49:47 cosmicpenguin: definitely!! May 08 23:49:49 Maybe toss in YUV->RGB color conversion May 08 23:50:01 http://studierstube.icg.tu-graz.ac.at/klimt/ May 08 23:50:12 is that in OE yet? May 08 23:50:55 Heh May 08 23:51:18 OpenGL? and OpenGL? ES are registered trademarks of Silicon Graphics, Inc. in the United States and/or other countries worldwide. May 08 23:51:29 I wonder whats going to happen to that IP May 08 23:53:26 cosmic: maybe SCO will buy them, and start suing the world all over again? May 08 23:53:43 * CosmicPenguin hides under his desk May 08 23:54:00 or worse, Microsoft buys them... :) May 09 00:09:18 i would be more worried about Disney than MS May 09 00:09:23 bbiab May 09 00:10:09 They'd incorporate "OpenGL World" into the next Kingdom Hearts May 09 00:11:29 Disney are licensing nazis and are chewing up the 3d animation/graphics market May 09 00:16:50 bblr May 09 05:45:18 morning May 09 05:45:26 mithro: klimt 0.6.1 is in OE May 09 05:45:43 hrw: are the tests packaged? May 09 05:45:50 mithro: dont know May 09 05:45:55 i would be intrested to see how it runs on a zaurus May 09 06:01:20 <_law_> hi hrw May 09 06:01:32 hi _law_ May 09 06:01:47 <_law_> is there any clamshell display on/off tool in bitbake already? May 09 06:02:13 bitbake is a build tool. May 09 06:02:15 perhaps you mean OE May 09 06:02:22 <_law_> kergoth, right May 09 06:02:43 _law_: busybox has echo built-in May 09 06:03:08 * kergoth chuckles May 09 06:03:09 hey hrw May 09 06:03:27 ~lart dropbear for creating 0 bytes files with fish:// May 09 06:03:27 * ibot_ cuts off dropbear's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for creating 0 bytes files with fish:// May 09 06:03:41 hi land warrior May 09 06:05:49 time to do another sd test May 09 06:07:09 <_law_> found my display-switch.bb again :-) May 09 06:09:31 fish://? May 09 06:12:21 mithro: KDE I/O Slave - Filesystem In SHell iirc (use dd over network iirc) May 09 06:24:28 morning May 09 06:26:26 <_schurig> hrw: not dd over network, but ssh/scp over network in a graphical way May 09 06:27:24 schurig: maybe May 09 06:27:33 schurig: anyway kde do it wrong May 09 06:28:00 hrw: or maybe dropbear, because fish:// with openssh at the other side works nice May 09 06:28:15 schurig: scp, mc works OK May 09 06:28:44 what does the Variable BROKEN mean in a .bb file? May 09 06:28:54 sws: that recipe is broken May 09 06:29:24 sws: does not build, fsck staging in badly way, format your disc etc May 09 06:42:49 morning all May 09 06:51:42 hi dirk May 09 06:51:45 * hrw goes to work May 09 06:53:04 hey Marcin May 09 06:55:38 pb__: I didn't like your OpenSync comment May 09 06:55:54 pb__: it makes this project by magnitudes harder to successfully complete May 09 06:58:43 anyway need to run now May 09 07:01:15 does PARALLEL_MAKE = "" mean this paticular package will be build without parallel make although all other packages are build with the PARALLEL_MAKE parameter from local.conf ? May 09 07:02:34 bonjur May 09 07:05:52 RP: It happened, sashz misbehaved at SoC May 09 07:22:41 sws: exactly this May 09 07:23:15 good morning all May 09 07:26:25 <_law_> hi koen May 09 07:28:06 hey _law_ May 09 07:31:00 morning May 09 07:39:01 moin moin May 09 07:42:08 what does the Clearing state_want and state_flag for pkg mean? have i missed something? http://oe.pastebin.com/706952 May 09 07:43:18 sash is such a moron May 09 07:45:56 * koen notices a strange comment from zecke on his google SoC application May 09 07:46:32 zecke: you start as mentor? May 09 07:46:39 zecke: which comment was that? May 09 07:47:03 zecke: What did sash do? May 09 07:47:13 morning all btw May 09 07:47:19 hey RP May 09 07:47:44 hi RP May 09 07:48:46 koen: sash is playing ping pong with your proposal May 09 07:49:00 BitBake isn't helping pdaXrom -2 May 09 07:49:09 it is still not helping pdaXrom -2 May 09 07:49:26 heh May 09 07:49:29 'team player' May 09 07:49:44 need to go through each project and need to check where he acted childish May 09 07:50:04 hehe and the proposal he wants to mentor is a clone of gpe-config... May 09 07:51:37 and until now each and every comment has been publich May 09 07:51:41 sashz are not May 09 07:51:47 he starts to get an enemy... May 09 07:52:04 I don't see any comment on my application May 09 07:52:07 I didn't care for pdaXrom, but his childish behaviour... May 09 07:52:11 so I guess Erik kicked him May 09 07:53:21 zecke: You are also now evil as far as Sash is concerned :-/ May 09 07:53:37 zecke: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xcb/2006-May/001608.html <- LOL May 09 07:53:53 koen: http://pastebin.ca/54472 May 09 07:54:14 later guys May 09 07:54:40 lecture... May 09 07:54:56 RP: right, I think I have learned one thing May 09 07:55:05 RP: sometimes it is best to just say "No" May 09 07:55:15 or nothing at all May 09 07:56:17 indeed May 09 07:59:51 hrw: im using an .oz354x bootstrap-image with kernel 2.4 for tosa, I flashed the image, build some packages, build package-index, updated package list at tosa and tried to ipkg install bash, but http://oe.pastebin.com/706952 May 09 08:01:50 sws: shit happen? May 09 08:01:59 sws: btw 'ipkg list *bash*' works too May 09 08:06:20 hrw: well, ok, may happen, but I just dont understand the problem ipkg has in this situation, it complains about bash isnt there but it is May 09 08:11:07 morning all ! May 09 08:11:56 sws: check your Architecture May 09 08:22:08 hrw: I messed with my ipkg, I moved away the /etc/ipkg/ w/o knowing that at least the arch.conf is needed, sorry for bothering May 09 08:22:34 sws: happens May 09 08:34:38 hrw|work: I have a patch from sash for the usb device detection. It reverses a set of changes I pushed into mainline :-/ May 09 08:35:22 RP: ok - but it can be resolved May 09 08:36:16 hrw|work: Is that a question or a statement? :) May 09 08:37:50 statement May 09 08:52:05 RP: do you know how pcmcia subsystem decide which driver to use when more then one can handle card? May 09 08:54:06 hrm May 09 08:54:23 looks like xtscal doesn't like the oz-unstable toolchain May 09 08:55:32 hrw|work: Judging by what happened yesterday, it tried one driver after the other May 09 08:55:56 koen: alignment errors? May 09 08:56:41 hrw|work: The git kernel has massive pcmcia problems :-( May 09 08:56:48 RP: segfault May 09 08:57:11 koen: This is a fresh build? May 09 08:57:21 * RP suspected binutils 2.16 May 09 08:57:42 RP: from yesterday May 09 09:00:42 hrw|work: I just sent you a mail with the idents for my asus wifi card May 09 09:00:59 koen: thx May 09 09:02:02 koen: consider upgrade to STAtion firmware 1.7.4 or newer ;) May 09 09:05:02 hrw|work: I also applied your patches to the hh.org kernel in OE May 09 09:05:19 * koen hopes the acx driver will be finished soon May 09 09:05:25 sometimes I truly hate autoconf May 09 09:05:42 koen: I saw that May 09 09:06:27 XorA: the new gtk-engines solve the crash with abiword and clearlooks May 09 09:07:07 XorA: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2244.png May 09 09:09:09 koen: cool another one bites the dust May 09 09:09:21 koen: what versions are we talking? May 09 09:09:40 <_law_> koen, nice May 09 09:11:32 XorA: oz-unstable, gtk-engines_2.7.4.bb May 09 09:12:10 koen: will it work with 3.5.4x? May 09 09:12:40 hrw|work: only if you ship gtk 2.8.x :( May 09 09:13:08 ah;( May 09 09:16:57 this is how it looks: http://www.stellingwerff.com/cl-cairo/clearlooks-cairo1.png May 09 09:17:04 I love the new slider widget May 09 09:31:20 koen: Are you seeing alignment errors with oz-unstable? May 09 09:31:52 RP: yes, but the usual (rxvt, gpe-login) May 09 09:32:17 koen: just verified abiword May 09 09:32:50 XorA: nice, thanks May 09 09:37:54 morons May 09 09:38:01 hey zecke May 09 09:38:46 RP: I need counceling May 09 09:39:03 zecke: What happened? May 09 09:39:18 koen: Those errors are considered normal? May 09 09:39:31 RP: Sash continous to be childish, and I try to not get childish May 09 09:39:59 RP: no, but they were there since I can remember May 09 09:40:03 RP: e.g. BitBake has no effect on users, same could be applied to all GNOME or KDE ideas, or even to the pdaXrom proposal May 09 09:40:21 GPE has a config system, pdaXrom shouldn't create a new one, it will not benefit GPE users May 09 09:40:23 zecke: I think you now understand how the OZ/pdaxrom split exists :-/ May 09 09:40:30 but I don't want to play this game May 09 09:40:47 RP: I'm about to ask Erik to remove sash, until now I thought one could integrate anyone May 09 09:40:52 and why pdaX is a one-man show May 09 09:40:59 RP: but sashz is the anti-model of a team member May 09 09:41:12 * koen hugs udev 084 May 09 09:41:55 zecke: I know what you mean. I'd not lose sleep over it. Just stop him doing damage to hh.org's credability May 09 09:42:44 RP: I think I'm now part of the damange :} May 09 09:43:02 I hate his 'BitBake' is evil behaviour May 09 09:43:50 how old is sash anyway? 14? May 09 09:43:56 zecke: 29 May 09 09:43:59 lol May 09 09:44:04 zecke: XX september 1977 May 09 09:44:24 * hrw|work has sash CV May 09 09:45:02 koen: I have fixed sylpheed-claws May 09 09:45:10 zecke: Unfortunately, his attitude has badly affected my views of his kernel patches as well :-( May 09 09:45:35 hrw|work: I need you to check opie mail for me, I have fixed libetpan, but need someone to check opie-mail May 09 09:45:41 RP: and it is bad that this is happening May 09 09:45:49 RP: this shows we are humans after all May 09 09:46:00 zecke: Yes :-( May 09 09:46:09 XorA: yay! May 09 09:46:15 I'm trying to work up the enthusiasm to make them suitable for mainline and the oz kernel but part of me wonders why I bother... May 09 09:46:37 I really need to try hard to not play his game May 09 09:46:54 XorA: gpe on device currently.. May 09 09:46:54 I outlined that bitbake influences stuff that is used by 20.000+ people May 09 09:47:12 If he thinks it does not have any influence, I wonder how many pdaXrom users are around May 09 09:48:01 anyway I will try to concentrate on my physics assignment now May 09 09:48:22 hrw|work: ok, I will check a new libetpan into .dev and put in comments then May 09 09:49:27 zecke: The problem is people don't understand patch quality and what I've tried to do with the Zaurus kernels. Maybe I should just start taking hacks :-/... May 09 09:49:40 RP: no ;) May 09 09:49:50 RP: in the end you will accept a patch to run Qtopia in the kernel May 09 09:49:53 could a mighty qt/e hacker have a look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=911 ? May 09 09:49:58 Its hard to answer the question "Why doesn't QVGA/cpufreq/usb detection/etc. work yet?". May 09 09:50:06 RP: and lose your hairs and work for MVista May 09 09:50:40 koen: how does libSDL1.2.8 benefit Opie users May 09 09:51:00 gosh this 'Anti-Koen' vote annoys me May 09 09:51:22 we have two BitBake proposals and he is acting against koen... May 09 09:51:23 koen: 'SDL version 1.2.9 (stable)' released... May 09 09:51:25 zecke: I want to add a new libsdl-x11, but that will break the qt/e one May 09 09:51:37 hrw|work: same story May 09 09:51:49 zecke: Politely point out the problem to Eric May 09 09:52:01 well, break the Depends: fields in .ipks of sdl games May 09 09:52:02 koen: I know nothing about sdl/qte May 09 09:57:11 03xora 07org.oe.dev * re0bcdaaa... 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): May 09 09:57:11 packages/libetpan/libetpan_0.45.bb : new version of libetpan required for May 09 09:57:11 sylpheed-claws. This version I have fixed building with threads so it May 09 09:57:11 is slightly more than just a version bump so other users of libetpan please May 09 09:57:11 check for regressions. May 09 09:57:12 packages/sylpheed/sylpheed-claws_2.2.0.bb : add sylpheed-claws, the brother May 09 09:57:16 of sylpheed with more dev/unstable work. May 09 09:58:33 gaah May 09 09:58:46 half of the qpe patches don't apply to libsdl 1.2.9 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 09 09:59:56 2006