**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 18 09:59:56 2006 May 18 10:00:25 ~praise bluez for messing autoconf May 18 10:00:27 All hail bluez for messing autoconf! May 18 10:00:59 RP: yes. and I remember that you was the one testing it when it was created May 18 10:01:48 hrw|work: I didn't write though ;-) May 18 10:02:05 ;) May 18 10:02:41 hrw|work: I'll add it to the to look at list but I can't promise when it'll happen May 18 10:02:51 ok May 18 10:03:07 RP: I can test it on collie but not before next weekend May 18 10:03:58 I simply just don't have time for anything atm :-( May 18 10:04:23 RP: :( May 18 10:06:14 hrw|work: If you report it to the fb maintainer on linux-fbdev, he might be able to look at it/fix it May 18 10:06:28 He wrote the console rotation code May 18 10:07:56 RP: will do - thx to CoreDump|home I know now that it is in console rotation. May 18 10:08:58 hrw|work: did you update gpe-bootsplash with the new logo already? May 18 10:09:33 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/add-new-splash.diff May 18 10:10:27 ah new bootsplash,nice =) May 18 10:10:55 koen: not yet May 18 10:26:59 RP: http://www.linux-fbdev.org/ is correct place - right? May 18 10:28:12 RP: ignore - found archive on MARC May 18 10:39:59 hi, and bbl May 18 10:40:20 mickeyl|lunch: hi and bye :) May 18 10:43:27 ~bon appetit May 18 10:43:29 [bon appetit] smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito May 18 10:43:54 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb89c24d7... 10/packages/meta/ (3 files): May 18 10:43:54 task-opie: add task-opie-everything May 18 10:43:54 task-python-sharprom|everything: add python-spyro and python-spydi May 18 10:43:59 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r288e8c6c... 10/packages/python/ (python-imdbpy_2.4.bb python-imdbpy_2.5.bb): python-imdbpy: upgrade to 2.5 May 18 10:44:02 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r12c8ec6e... 10/packages/python/ (python-spydi_0.9.3.bb python-spyro_0.9.14.bb): May 18 10:44:02 add python-spydi, a distributed indexer May 18 10:44:02 add python-spyro, a distributed ORB May 18 10:44:07 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r759f136b... 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox-1.01/uclibc_posix.patch busybox_1.01.bb): busybox-1.01: improve uclibc-posix patch to not break the glibc build. closes #657 May 18 10:44:49 mickeyl|lunch: Why task-opie-everything instead of adding an extra task to task-opie? May 18 10:45:02 er, sorry, ignore me :) May 18 10:45:17 * RP needs a holiday May 18 10:45:46 I've put ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" in my local.conf, and installed qemu 8.1 with my distro, but i get a NOTE: generating locale es_NI (UTF-8) May 18 10:45:46 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting when bitbaking glibc... do someone has an idea on what happens ? May 18 10:46:12 theturtle: qemu segfaulted? May 18 10:46:40 yep sure, but i don't understand why as it is a fresh install, and i don't know how to "dig" to find why it segfaults May 18 10:48:48 I guess if you found the command it was running that would give you a start at identifying the problem. I know qemu has issues on certain machines but I've never seen anyone pinpoint why... May 18 10:49:20 ok, i'm running on an amd64, that could be the problem May 18 11:00:27 Is it possible to configre bitbake that it looks for .bb files in 3 different directories? May 18 11:00:33 yes May 18 11:00:44 BBFILES="path1 path2 path3" May 18 11:00:49 or use collections May 18 11:01:01 ah okay I tried it with ':' between the pathts May 18 11:01:24 BBPATH then, I believe? May 18 11:01:56 BBPATH has nothing to BBFILES May 18 11:02:27 yes, but the original question was not about BBFILES. May 18 11:02:37 18 13:13 < Cobelius> Is it possible to configre bitbake that it looks for .bb files in 3 different directories? May 18 11:02:45 .bb files == BBFILES May 18 11:03:39 Ah, yes, .bb files, not all bitbake files.. May 18 11:04:12 ah okay it seems to work now May 18 11:04:14 thank you May 18 11:04:28 hrw, do you think brave soul can try angstrom on spitz now? May 18 11:04:41 polyonymous: never tried angstrom May 18 11:04:47 I see. May 18 11:05:01 polyonymous: no time, no spitz May 18 11:05:10 Just got back after being away from the net for one month and thought I'd try something new ;-) May 18 11:05:42 Well, if it compiles, I'll try to see for myself. May 18 11:05:42 polyonymous: want to look at oz 3.5.4.1-rc4? May 18 11:05:52 Does somebody know if I can overrive default packages by multiple directories? May 18 11:05:53 hrw|work, I used to run .dev build May 18 11:06:23 Cobelius: that need BBCOLLECTION stuff May 18 11:06:47 But now it just didn't build for me from scratch and instead of trying to fix I thought I'd try angstrom. But I will get back to OZ, anyway, as I'm only going to try angstrom with altboot. May 18 11:07:38 And month ago I had not problems with unversioned OZ build. Things change ;-) May 18 11:18:03 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc1b50bb6... 10/packages/gpe-bootsplash/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gpe-bootsplash: use new OZ logos May 18 11:18:07 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rfcf80f6f... 10/packages/linux/ (5 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus: disabled logo on akita/spitz/poodle - need to find out why 'console rotation + logo == not booting image' May 18 11:23:30 woglinde: hey May 18 11:23:35 hi woglinde May 18 11:23:39 woglinde: I already ordered some stuff from the Thai May 18 11:23:43 woglinde: you are welcome to join May 18 11:24:29 hi hrw May 18 11:25:40 hmmm, thai food May 18 11:25:57 wahah that loosers May 18 11:26:10 insted of a pim application thez ship google talk on the n770 May 18 11:27:53 wahahahahahaha May 18 11:27:54 http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2559540724.html May 18 11:28:07 backporting from 2.6 to 2.4.20 May 18 11:28:37 "Andre adds, "We've seen a lot of devices running Trolltech/Qtopia, but that's not really promoting Linux, because you need to add $30 to $40 to the BOM." May 18 11:29:42 koen is opie running well on the n770 with angstroem as distribution? May 18 11:34:03 woglinde: the 770 kernel doesn't build right now May 18 11:34:17 woglinde: and why would nokia need to put on pim if it isn't a pda? May 18 11:34:40 we crossed the 100 bug thresshold May 18 11:34:55 koen because otherwise it makes no sin May 18 11:35:24 there is no one who needs a tablet http-brwosing only device May 18 11:35:43 that's what I'm using it for :) May 18 11:36:02 yeah becaus you have ten other pdas May 18 11:36:26 I don't use pim on any of the toys lying around May 18 11:36:40 jesus May 18 11:36:43 *g* May 18 11:36:46 koen: because syncing is broken :) May 18 11:36:48 only my nokia ever leaves my desk May 18 11:36:56 zecke: exactly May 18 11:37:01 woglinde: I found the article kind interesting May 18 11:37:01 zecke: no iSync plugin for opensync May 18 11:37:13 woglinde: I wonder about the team size May 18 11:37:16 zecke which one? May 18 11:37:33 woglinde: did you know that montevista has some minions on staff who's only job is to backpart to 2.4? May 18 11:37:39 hm maybee nokia prefers to use goole-calendar after the talk thing May 18 11:37:57 woglinde: probably, google prefers it :) May 18 11:38:22 woglinde: and with ajax this is the way to go May 18 11:38:34 woglinde: put an interpreter on the phone, let the servers run stuff for you May 18 11:39:09 koen hm yeah I see buisness area if you told your customers that you cannt tkae 2.6 kernel May 18 11:40:16 hm Harald claims that motorola uses some selinux features on the a780 May 18 11:40:41 yeah May 18 11:40:49 locking out costumer May 18 11:40:50 s May 18 11:40:58 *g* yeah May 18 11:41:09 not only May 18 11:41:12 hm dont know why montavista didnt get this idea May 18 11:41:31 woglinde: is he finally done with the port? May 18 11:41:44 zecke read the last blog entry May 18 11:41:48 woglinde: e.g. implementing the gsm mutliplexer should not take longer than a week May 18 11:41:50 he has problems with some drivers May 18 11:42:28 zecke for you, I dont know if I ever could write a gsm multiplexer May 18 11:43:46 woglinde: get drunk, stoned and program with your feets, you can implement any etsi standard... ;) May 18 11:44:14 that's how they were written after all ;) May 18 11:44:18 woglinde: it is raining and my modulator stopped working, is this a coincidence? May 18 11:44:19 zecke I will hire zyou for $ 1000 p.a May 18 11:45:11 zecke: Sounds like how they designed the standard ;) May 18 11:45:51 NAbyss: last summer I sat next to a chairman of a DVB group... May 18 11:55:12 zecke: Oh? May 18 11:55:50 exactly May 18 11:57:29 I worked for one of companies which make DVB soft/hard May 18 12:01:49 <_guillermo> zecke: I just posted the pcmciautils patch, could not do it before May 18 12:02:10 _guillermo: that is fine May 18 12:02:20 mickeyl: live? May 18 12:02:43 kind of May 18 12:02:53 mickeyl: hey, did your toy arrive? May 18 12:03:06 zecke: not exactly... a call did arrive May 18 12:03:13 "sorry, it's sold out, we can't get it from any distributor" May 18 12:03:21 then I checked the web again May 18 12:03:23 mickeyl: sue them ;) May 18 12:03:25 and found one who has it in stock May 18 12:03:27 phoned May 18 12:03:29 ordered May 18 12:03:33 now crossing fingers (again) May 18 12:04:10 hehe May 18 12:04:20 mickeyl: get one of the other linux phones May 18 12:04:42 koen: well Qtopia targets these phones as well (from the linuxdevices article) May 18 12:04:44 zecke: the a780 looks like it will be the best supported in the next months. I don't think there's currently any alternative May 18 12:04:46 ~lart net connection at work May 18 12:04:46 * ibot changes net connection at work's permissions to 0777 and tells the world May 18 12:05:08 koen: and to save BOM they let the phone stack run on linux directly (most of the time) May 18 12:05:15 wth is BOM btw.? May 18 12:05:21 koen: and then you get to fear manipulation.. May 18 12:05:25 mickeyl: Bill of Material May 18 12:05:28 aaah May 18 12:05:34 mickeyl: or like jg said it, Your saussage recipe May 18 12:05:46 receipe... May 18 12:05:46 i don't find this andre guy very convincing, btw. May 18 12:05:47 as.. May 18 12:05:48 well May 18 12:06:05 mickeyl: in what way? May 18 12:06:32 zecke: his blaming X and Qtopia sounds to me like he just didn't want to really take a look, but work on an own UI. May 18 12:06:46 just my intuition May 18 12:06:55 mickeyl: no May 18 12:06:57 Hey folks May 18 12:07:06 mickeyl: they have real time requirements May 18 12:07:07 Any OZ types around? May 18 12:07:16 peterbrett: probably in #openzaurus May 18 12:07:16 peterbrett: no :D May 18 12:07:18 mickeyl: because they want to save money for two distinct cpus ;) May 18 12:07:41 peterbrett: Ah right, the person who told me to ask here was lying then :P May 18 12:07:58 yeah. #openzaurus really is the OpenZaurus support channel May 18 12:08:11 #oe contains few OZ people, but is probably not the right channel May 18 12:08:41 unless you are a developer and want to chat about .bb's with me May 18 12:08:44 or hrw :) May 18 12:08:48 or whoever May 18 12:09:10 * hrw|work fixed zsh May 18 12:09:16 mickeyl: I might want to chat about bb's with you later :P May 18 12:10:04 excellent :D May 18 12:10:28 RP: thanks for assisting in trying to convince ;) May 18 12:11:20 mickeyl: np. his reply suggests he's seeing the light ;-) May 18 12:12:25 hehe *nod* May 18 12:13:02 I'm afraid I will have to touch Opie again May 18 12:13:07 to add support for the MOTO. May 18 12:13:11 * mickeyl sighs May 18 12:13:34 with 48MB RAM and 240x320 touchscreen it really looks like Opie would be the preferred GUI May 18 12:13:58 at least until our super-duper Opie2 is ready May 18 12:14:03 * mickeyl glimpses to zecke May 18 12:14:41 mickeyl: If they do need help doing things with the kernel, let me know as I've been there before with new devices :) May 18 12:15:21 I like opie, Its just a shame it involves trolltech :-/ May 18 12:15:37 http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-May/000325.html May 18 12:15:50 RP: already tried to advertise you and the linux-openzaurus May 18 12:15:57 RP: with mixed success as you can see in this thread :) May 18 12:16:13 RP: we have to be a bit slow with Harald... he's one of those kernel developers with an ego :)) May 18 12:16:19 i like him though. May 18 12:17:06 mickeyl: an 'ego' May 18 12:17:11 <_guillermo> I get this copmpiling gpesyncd: gpesyncd/po/POTFILES.in May 18 12:17:17 <_guillermo> is missing May 18 12:17:25 RP: Yeah a shame that Qt is an addictive drug May 18 12:17:26 _guillermo: sounds like you need to report that to GPE May 18 12:17:26 <_guillermo> is it a bug? May 18 12:17:31 <_guillermo> ok May 18 12:17:32 I don't understand why these people don't just puhs all their code May 18 12:17:32 mainline May 18 12:17:43 _guillermo: since yesterday, if you want something stable use Opie May 18 12:17:43 heh, he got that wrong. May 18 12:17:53 That made me smile - hes probably using half my patches :) May 18 12:18:05 right. i guess he was just a bit overwhelmed by the number of patches in linux-openzaurus.bb :) May 18 12:18:09 <_guillermo> zecke: you love opie sooo much :) I need gpe! May 18 12:18:28 mickeyl: Compare it with the git one for an idea of what's been merged :) May 18 12:19:01 _guillermo: you don't need GPE for java ;) May 18 12:19:09 _guillermo: use matchbox and your apps May 18 12:19:12 RP: yay! May 18 12:19:24 _guillermo: didn't you have that error yesterday already? May 18 12:19:38 <_guillermo> I don't use gpe, just a modificated gpe-image May 18 12:19:55 _guillermo: remobe gpesyncd as it is broken? May 18 12:20:05 pb_: could you fix that autotools stuff? May 18 12:20:34 mickeyl: and some of the patches in -git are in -mm or other places with merging pending. Someday we *will manage a mainline kernel :) May 18 12:21:16 * RP needs to do something about the hx2xxx patches... May 18 12:21:32 mickeyl: hehe, yeah PXA270 worked out of the box, we will stick with mainline.. May 18 12:21:42 yeah thanks to RP it is working out of the box :} May 18 12:21:59 <_guillermo> zecke: sometimes I use gpe-images to be sure it's not my custom image what fails May 18 12:22:19 <_guillermo> zecke: any sucess with java and opie? is kaffe-qt usable? May 18 12:22:21 I get annoyed by the continous OE breakgae of GPE May 18 12:22:29 _guillermo: no it isn't May 18 12:22:56 need to work... May 18 12:23:03 later guys May 18 12:23:10 mickeyl: good luck with your phone May 18 12:23:26 mickeyl: I think I will have a motorola soon as well May 18 12:23:43 zecke: cool! which one? May 18 12:23:44 <_guillermo> zecke: would be possible using jamvm-gtk and e-image? what graphic implementation is enlightment using? May 18 12:23:52 zecke: cu May 18 12:23:58 cu zecke May 18 12:24:17 later zecke May 18 12:24:18 _guillermo: own one May 18 12:24:35 <_guillermo> too bad May 18 12:25:06 <_guillermo> is the motorola a780 working with oe? May 18 12:25:08 RP: atm. i'm mainly interested in getting the patches for a full fledged kernel completed. We can check later if it would make more sense to just enhance linux-openzaurus. i really don't like all the different kernels May 18 12:25:40 _guillermo: i just added basic OE support. we need some more weeks until the kernel runs, but then we have Opie and GPE and E on the a780 :D May 18 12:25:54 although E will probably suck May 18 12:25:54 herh May 18 12:26:08 <_guillermo> that sounds great, anyone knows if it's available in germany? May 18 12:26:17 _guillermo: if you HURRY up, yes May 18 12:26:30 i had to run through hoops to order one May 18 12:26:43 ARP DATACON (http://www.arp.com) seems to have some in stock - May 18 12:26:43 <_guillermo> ops you were talking before ablut that one May 18 12:26:52 ya May 18 12:27:04 mickeyl: ah, it seem the resident trolltech troll is on the ezx list as well May 18 12:27:14 koen: hehe. indeed. i was very surprised :) May 18 12:27:49 hi mickeyl May 18 12:28:10 <_guillermo> mickeyl: I will ask you whenever you get it to see how it feels May 18 12:28:25 zecke: which autotools stuff? May 18 12:28:26 i think it's just important to have one "reference phone" with full OE support to improve the OE value for phone developers. May 18 12:28:28 hi pb_ May 18 12:28:40 although that will cost me 480 EUR May 18 12:28:43 *sniff* May 18 12:28:46 pb__: gpesyncd/po/POTFILES.in May 18 12:28:47 and probably my wife will kill me for that May 18 12:28:55 pb__: looks like some one is referencing this file May 18 12:29:27 okay May 18 12:29:34 gpesyncd scares me a bit but I will take a look May 18 12:29:46 pb__: florian already fixed it iirc May 18 12:29:54 mickeyl: Agreed, a phone in OE would be great May 18 12:30:07 ah, even better May 18 12:30:36 zecke: it seems I am too slow May 18 12:30:52 why is OE broken then ;) May 18 12:31:02 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r1313f63a... 10/packages/zsh/zsh_4.1.1.bb: zsh: do not ship zsh as symlink to builddir May 18 12:31:05 pb__: http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/chngview?cn=2005 May 18 12:31:08 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8e42a379... 10/packages/zsh/zsh_4.1.1.bb: zsh: do not ship zsh as symlink to builddir May 18 12:31:16 zecke: dunno, I guess oe must suck May 18 12:31:33 pb__: right, give me your key and it will instantly suck less May 18 12:32:09 koen: *firewalled*... May 18 12:32:26 <_guillermo> how important is the motorola movement toward opensource for oe? any impact? May 18 12:32:26 zecke: "Comment: Remove unused gettext bits breaking builds." May 18 12:35:31 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3ce424d5... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom 2006.9: slide srcdate forward to avoid some build problems May 18 12:35:49 NOTE: package zsh-4.3.2-r0: task do_build: completed May 18 12:35:51 someone? May 18 12:36:56 * koen likes http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-May/000387.html May 18 12:37:33 :)) May 18 12:37:36 me too May 18 12:38:05 * koen is still trying to justify spending E450 on a phone May 18 12:38:23 a phone which can't even make calls yet ;) May 18 12:38:47 hehe May 18 12:38:54 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19465 May 18 12:38:59 * mickeyl starts the PR mill May 18 12:39:15 for calls, i have my trusty k700 May 18 12:39:19 mickeyl: I had offered harald help on the ccc congress in december May 18 12:39:19 everything else is for fun May 18 12:39:29 siemens s55 :) May 18 12:39:57 zecke: ah, did you tell him about OE then? May 18 12:40:03 mickeyl: mailed him May 18 12:40:09 * koen has to test how much thumb impacts memory usage May 18 12:40:15 mickeyl: I was hacking in the 'main' room while he gave his talk May 18 12:40:21 as I want to run X on the phone May 18 12:40:23 pretty good speaker this guy is May 18 12:41:00 unfortunately it looked like they had to spend a lot of time convincing MOTO to release stuff May 18 12:41:01 mickeyl: don't forget to post a message on the angstrom site May 18 12:41:06 it's sad that's always such a struggle :/ May 18 12:41:18 koen: righto, will do May 18 12:42:50 * hrw|work has nokia 6310i and next one maybe will be samsung x700 May 18 12:42:54 mickeyl: it might have been lost in the mail (... my offer to help) May 18 12:43:08 mickeyl: he should be in berlin (when he is not traveling) May 18 12:43:15 zecke: possible. then again, as he said, he wasn't interested in userland until pretty recently May 18 12:43:32 zecke: oh cool, that would make visiting you even more interesting. we could maybe arrange a meeting May 18 12:44:27 zecke: you could have a look at my Embedded Linux / OE book plans, if you have time and motivation. I just have done an expose May 18 12:44:46 * koen has 'F9' bound to expose ;) May 18 12:45:12 hehe May 18 12:45:24 turn in your expose until... May 18 12:45:32 * zecke should write some AppleScript for that May 18 12:45:45 zecke: 'apple + backtic' May 18 12:46:01 do that. as i will be an OSX user later this year as well... May 18 12:46:04 that's F10, but easier :) May 18 12:46:16 life suxx May 18 12:46:21 hrw|work: nah May 18 12:46:23 what's up? May 18 12:46:58 nothing - I'm sitting at work bored May 18 12:47:14 hrw|work: i can understand that. I'm not coming forwards here. :/ May 18 12:47:15 morning May 18 12:47:20 * mickeyl stuck on the non-acceptance loop May 18 12:47:24 in, even May 18 12:47:38 mickeyl: I can offer you a bed to sleep May 18 12:47:42 nothing fancy though May 18 12:47:53 zecke: cool, thanks. I don't need luxury :) May 18 12:47:54 mickeyl: you might even go to ROAD... May 18 12:47:57 yeah May 18 12:48:19 they need to be kicked because of missing q1/2006 May 18 12:48:43 well if Big Company needs 2 years... May 18 12:49:00 then a Small Company with award winning software needs half of it ;) May 18 12:49:19 * hrw|work should move ass and read more about creating own business, rules of international invoices etc May 18 12:50:24 mickeyl: 3.5.4.1-rc4 for testing May 18 12:51:32 hrw|work: *nod* May 18 12:51:42 * hrw|work loses motivation for oz work May 18 12:51:46 I missed something... May 18 12:52:22 hrw|work: that is understandable, take a rest, you deserve it May 18 12:52:30 hrw|work: i was in that position 6 months ago May 18 12:53:56 hrw|work: let's meet in winter in Berlin. I all goes well, we may have a couple of opportunities then May 18 12:54:09 s/I/if/ May 18 12:54:28 http://video.i123.pl/play/282/Pelenie_zielska__reportaz_ May 18 12:54:53 hrw|work: I have bed for you as well :} May 18 12:55:05 hrw|work: or you need to share it with mickeyl May 18 12:55:11 heh May 18 12:55:23 i can as well sleep on the floor. I'm tough. May 18 12:55:44 * mickeyl books a hotel suite May 18 12:55:48 :D May 18 12:55:50 I hope you have no cat allergy May 18 12:55:56 zecke: I will go with Ania May 18 12:56:36 does anyone know really cheap picoControllers? Something which costs the order of 10's of cents? May 18 12:57:24 !_split-to-feeds.sh script rox May 18 12:57:24 hrw|work: Don't know, don't care May 18 12:57:36 cdbot: fsck you May 18 12:57:37 hrw|work: Dunno? May 18 13:01:06 mickeyl: rc4 built - http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/.rc4/ May 18 13:03:39 could someone give me an approximation of 'bitbake gpe-image' on a decent cpu please ? (amd64x2) May 18 13:03:45 hrw|work: noted. May 18 13:03:49 *time approximation sorry May 18 13:03:58 theturtle: billions of cyclons May 18 13:03:59 theturtle: 2-3 hours May 18 13:04:06 cycles May 18 13:04:07 ... May 18 13:04:10 mickeyl : ok thanks May 18 13:07:37 hrw|work: do you have a moment of spare time? May 18 13:07:54 (for reading a toc) May 18 13:08:07 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19464&st=0&p=127594&#entry127594 May 18 13:08:09 mickeyl: sure May 18 13:09:07 intltools seem to lack a dependency on libxml-parser-perl May 18 13:10:07 hrw|work: mail sent. thanks May 18 13:10:55 i got "/home/theturtle/ipaq/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/libxml-parser-perl-2.34-r0/temp/run.do_configure.3716: line 377: /home/theturtle/ipaq/tmp/staging/arm-linux/perl/config.sh: No such file or directory" is there a way to know which package should provide this config.sh file ? May 18 13:11:40 I'd guess perl itself. May 18 13:14:42 mickeyl: basically: OK, add "Network Attached Storage" to list in chapter 2 May 18 13:16:15 hrw|work: ah right May 18 13:17:03 hrm osef doesnt appear to work for me :/ May 18 13:17:18 mithro: goes up and down like an elevator atm. May 18 13:18:05 who run it? May 18 13:18:18 offroadgeek May 18 13:18:22 ~oesf May 18 13:18:26 methinks oesf is newer name of ZUG - it provide forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing common with OpenEmbedded (except first two words), or http://www.oesf.org/ May 18 13:19:14 ~lart subversion for lack of check of ^C May 18 13:19:15 * ibot moos at subversion for lack of check of ^C May 18 13:24:50 koen: thx for idea about cherokee -- I'll check it out ... May 18 13:26:37 http://ja.rafi.pl/2006/05/18/lifes-too-short-for-the-wrong-job/ - great photos May 18 13:30:07 I get "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" though i've bitbaked libxml-parser-perl and libxml-parser-perl-native. How can i go through ? May 18 13:30:24 Jan Ulrich is getting lots of air time at the moment May 18 13:30:31 anyone here done stuff with power switching? May 18 13:31:26 any ideas where to find the "stat" command in OE? I think rsync is needing it. May 18 13:31:34 * cbrake installs strace to find out for sure. May 18 13:32:55 I guess that would be the stat package :-) May 18 13:38:46 I'd guess it's coreutils, but that would be just a guess ;-) May 18 13:43:31 hi May 18 13:44:03 hi Bernardo May 18 13:45:21 hey May 18 13:45:59 hrw|work: could you please commit the new jlime-donkey distro file. Just wanna get it in so I can start testing stuff May 18 13:48:10 koen: or if you can May 18 13:48:16 KenJlime: which bug it was? May 18 13:48:23 let me check May 18 13:48:33 when bitbaking intltools, configure script is complaining about missing XML::Parser though it is installed. Any idea on why it happens ? May 18 13:48:47 #1002 May 18 13:49:04 got it May 18 13:49:59 thx May 18 13:50:14 will push in minute(s) May 18 13:50:25 Roger May 18 13:52:50 pushed May 18 13:53:14 hrw|work: did you push it against the dev branch? May 18 13:53:49 doing monotone update gives me a message about multiple heads May 18 13:54:05 will merge May 18 13:54:23 oki thx May 18 13:54:26 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r1335c60a... 10/packages/pipepanic/pipepanic_0.1.1.bb: pipepanic: add all files - taken from .dev May 18 13:54:31 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r93a7ad23... 10/conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf: jlime-donkey: new distro - close #1002 May 18 13:55:25 pushed again May 18 13:55:29 oki, will check May 18 13:55:31 ~lart me for not merging May 18 13:55:31 * ibot whacks hrw|work with the cluebat for not merging May 18 13:56:23 worked fine now, big rhx May 18 13:56:25 thx May 18 13:57:03 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re2cc7feb... 10/packages/intltool/intltool_0.35.0.bb: intltool: add dep on xml-parser(-native) May 18 13:58:05 koen : seems there's a deeper trouble with xml-parser May 18 13:58:16 * chouimat is away: Customer Stupidity Fixing Hour(s) May 18 13:58:58 chouimat: modern version of sisifo's myth? May 18 13:59:02 koen : see http://pastebin.com/724600 May 18 13:59:55 Bernardo: hehe ... you this kind a lot of money but an amoeba has more brain cells ... so apt to use a computer May 18 13:59:58 so configure script of intltool is failing as perl -e "require XML::Parser" fails May 18 14:01:30 chouimat: I did helldesk a few years back... Third line support May 18 14:01:31 chouimat: and believe it or not, many times I'd ask the user to check the power plug... May 18 14:02:31 the people on the ezx list are frightingly cluefull May 18 14:03:15 Bernardo: I did helpdesk for a cable company ... so I know that one too ... May 18 14:04:29 I did it for fellow programmers and for our company customers... May 18 14:08:48 Bernardo: after doing this (helpdesk) I really think that this is right: "Give fire to a man and you will keep warm for a day, Put a man on fire and you will keep him warm for life" May 18 14:14:20 chouimat: what about 'for the rest of his life' May 18 14:14:59 lardman|work: can work too ... but I find it more funnier the way I wrote it ;) May 18 14:15:02 is there a way to set library path for bitbake and oe environment ? May 18 14:16:06 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1cc5c103... 10/packages/intltool/intltool_0.35.0.bb: intltool: remove dep on xml-parser since it doesn't build May 18 14:16:59 NOTE: package gpesyncd-0.0+cvs-20060518-r0: task do_build: completed May 18 14:17:41 koen : seems to be a simple library path problem, perl loads XML::Parser, which requires libexpat.so.0, which is in tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/lib/libexpat.so.0, but it can't find it May 18 14:17:54 i've done LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/oe/build/zaurus26/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/lib bitbake opie-image and now it finds it May 18 14:17:57 but i have no idea on how to fix it May 18 14:18:08 ixoth : will try that May 18 14:20:17 ixoth : it works now, thanks, simple LD path problem May 18 14:20:58 yes, but the problem is that we should incorporate this so that it finds this lib by itself May 18 14:22:37 yep, but don't see how to do that May 18 14:23:12 it's a more general perl-native related problem May 18 14:23:20 should also fail with other libs May 18 14:23:25 i think it should be done somewhere inside bitbake May 18 14:24:17 but i have no idea where... perhaps some bb guru should find the right way to do it May 18 14:24:36 and, in the meantime, we have to use this kludge May 18 14:25:47 ixoth : it could be fixed temporarly in bb file perhaps May 18 14:28:16 mickeyl: it seems harald is getting into OE now :) May 18 14:28:40 * koen hopes we'll have a solid eabi-iwmmx toolchain soon for angstrom May 18 14:30:51 Where can I download bitbake? I can't seem to connect to svn://svn.berlios.de? May 18 14:31:27 joshin: http://developer.berlios.de/project/filelist.php?group_id=2701 May 18 14:31:40 Thanks! May 18 14:32:40 Hmmm, can't connect to the server... May 18 14:33:45 it seems berlios is down (again) May 18 14:34:28 hey mickeyl, how did you ever start writing books? May 18 14:34:30 :) May 18 14:36:03 and another problem that I have building org.openembedded.dev from scratch May 18 14:37:24 in package libopieobex0-1.2.1, in Makefile, there's wrong (supposedly) include path May 18 14:37:35 mithro: As a child, I've always been praised for my essays. I enjoy writing. Years later, I wanted to read a good Python GUI book... when I didn't find one, I said, "Hey, I can do that.". And so it began. May 18 14:38:32 so we have to change -I$(OPIEDIR)/noncore/net/opietooth/lib for -I$(OPIEDIR)/include/opietooth May 18 14:39:54 and mickeyl lived happily ever after May 18 14:40:00 heh May 18 14:40:08 i hope so... atm. I'm pretty unhappy May 18 14:40:11 cu May 18 14:40:15 hrw|work: cu May 18 14:40:15 cu hrw May 18 14:40:23 hrw|work: your phone will arrive soon ;) May 18 14:40:26 ehm May 18 14:40:32 s/hrw/mickeyl/ May 18 14:40:40 hehe. if it was just that ;) May 18 14:43:47 So what are the odds of getting a working Collie image using gcc4.1? May 18 14:44:07 ^getting^building May 18 14:44:44 hmm do we have gcc4.1 in OE ? May 18 14:44:50 if not, I'd say chances are pretty low May 18 14:45:06 hmm looks like we have. May 18 14:45:16 i'd rather use 4.2-snap though. 4.1 has some oddities May 18 14:45:24 that's why we are waiting for 4.1.1 May 18 14:46:20 and.... hmm... anyone tried to build uclibc image? is it worth trying? May 18 14:47:09 Ok, I dusted off my poor old collie and figured that I should see what's new since I last played with oe/bitbake. May 18 14:47:48 ixoth: i think so. It's a bit orphaned in OE atm., but it'd be cool to have a more lean-and-mean setup for small systems. May 18 14:47:54 really small, that is May 18 14:48:08 a Zaurus w/ 4Gig Harddrive is no longer considered small May 18 14:48:28 I'll try 4.2. (Not even my most riced gentoo install is running 4.2.) May 18 14:48:51 Well, I'm happy poodle user and i consider that whole system should run out of internal flash :) May 18 14:49:02 *nod* May 18 14:49:17 no extra storage, except for data (mp3/movies/etc) May 18 14:49:23 i'll have a go at building uclibc as well asap May 18 14:50:12 i'll try to build this as soon as i finish experimenting with 2.6 May 18 14:50:27 goodbye everyone... May 18 14:51:56 mickeyl: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2006-05/msg00416.html May 18 14:52:26 yay May 18 14:52:57 ugh: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2006-05/msg00404.html May 18 14:53:00 cya May 18 14:59:16 So what's down with berlios? May 18 14:59:37 joshin maybee traffice problems May 18 15:02:58 mickeyl: NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1-20060512-r1: task do_compile: started May 18 15:03:34 *crossing fingers* May 18 15:04:49 hm new gcc? May 18 15:04:51 why? May 18 15:05:00 Is there a mirror to berlios? I wanna play too... May 18 15:05:00 choice May 18 15:05:18 or are there new features? May 18 15:05:34 true eabi and 114 bugs less May 18 15:05:59 http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.1/changes.html May 18 15:06:27 mickeyl: did you see http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/mtn_cheat_sheet.png in monotone's monotone repo? May 18 15:06:35 hm yes I know that, but I meaned to the others 4.1 gcc's May 18 15:07:23 koen: ya, that's pretty cool. we should have something like that for OE May 18 15:09:33 hm May 18 15:09:38 where do i find mount? May 18 15:09:58 syslinux? May 18 15:10:13 busybox or util-linux May 18 15:10:14 oh, that's only native? May 18 15:10:18 ah util-linux May 18 15:10:19 thnx May 18 15:10:33 * mickeyl wanders home May 18 15:13:40 NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1-20060512-r1: task do_build: completed May 18 15:13:48 :D May 18 15:13:50 nicy May 18 15:14:06 anyone got any stats for speed improvments 4.1 over 3.4.x May 18 15:15:41 kristoffer mostly there is no one who thinks about smart benchmark tests May 18 15:18:41 woglinde: oki, just wondering cause any speed improvment on the jornada is a big improvment.. 133Mhz isnt that fast :D May 18 15:18:52 heard some rumors about it a couple of months ago May 18 15:19:04 kristoffer maybee you will think about some benchmark tests May 18 15:19:35 woglinde: hmm, will do a testa build and see what I can come up with May 18 15:19:56 hm in opie are some drystone-tests May 18 15:20:08 dont know if they really says something May 18 15:25:46 cool koen! May 18 15:26:16 ah koen: gratz May 18 15:28:26 gratz? May 18 15:28:48 kristoffer < koen> NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1-20060512-r1: task do_build: completed May 18 15:29:14 ah yeah May 18 15:32:32 * chouimat is back. May 18 15:33:24 jo chouimat May 18 15:33:35 multiple heads when doing monotome update May 18 15:33:48 try doing a pull first May 18 15:34:04 just did May 18 15:38:09 koen: nevermind, my stupid mistake May 18 15:41:02 monotone -db=OE.db checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev May 18 15:41:02 (17:53:25) TheCan: monotone: misuse: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads May 18 15:42:28 how "good" is it to do a monotone merge? May 18 15:44:38 kristoffer if you only want to check out choose some of the revs May 18 15:44:49 if you will commit wait until someone has fix it May 18 15:45:26 woglinde: I know man :D this is just a general question on what merge does (although I have a pretty good guess) May 18 15:45:59 Kristoffer: It only affects your local checkout, so no biggie there May 18 15:47:13 mickeyl: did you buy a 680 or 780? May 18 15:53:50 * koen tries to get hi-mobile.net to send the a780 to .nl May 18 16:04:30 koen: a780. i think it looks more slick May 18 16:04:36 besides, it has a better camera May 18 16:04:49 680 advantage is full SD May 18 16:04:53 a780 only miniSD May 18 16:05:01 like the nokia May 18 16:05:57 * nevarrie is debating between the 780 and the A1200/MING... May 18 16:10:26 a1200 definitly cooler, but a780 will have better support for quite some time May 18 16:10:32 depends on what you want to do with ti May 18 16:10:33 it May 18 16:13:15 mickeyl: I don't buy phones to take pictures May 18 16:13:55 fair enough. supportwise they're pretty close May 18 16:14:09 I think I'll go for the a780 May 18 16:14:28 in case I'm stupid enough to put keys + phone in one pocket May 18 16:14:38 right May 18 16:14:59 * koen waits for those canadians to reply May 18 16:15:19 206 euro is still expensive, but justifiable May 18 16:15:34 bye May 18 16:19:26 absolutely May 18 16:19:33 which canadians btw.? May 18 16:19:40 ah hi-mobile.net May 18 16:19:51 re May 18 16:19:55 yo Bernardo May 18 16:20:04 hi mickeyl May 18 16:20:08 koen: where are you buying from ? May 18 16:20:33 ade|desk: hi-mobile.net May 18 16:20:45 ~lart msft isa proxy May 18 16:20:45 * ibot stabs msft isa proxy May 18 16:24:55 koen: any idea if they'll deliver the phones with different localizations? May 18 16:25:08 * Bernardo is looking for a phone to give to his wife in september - but should have portuguese localization May 18 16:25:15 Bernardo: no idea May 18 16:26:28 Whoa!! I've just flashed my poodle with 2.6 and it works!!! May 18 16:26:32 congrats May 18 16:26:35 well, at least it boots May 18 16:27:17 http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-May/000403.html May 18 16:27:37 koen: ok, thanks. I just wish I'd seen that site before buying my w900, maybe I'd have bought a moto a780 or a1200 instead May 18 16:27:39 :D May 18 16:27:51 I just heard of it today May 18 16:28:05 (via the above ezx mailinglist) May 18 16:28:26 hmm May 18 16:28:27 excellent. May 18 16:28:37 task-bootstrap w/ OS=linux-uclibc still compiles May 18 16:29:18 * mickeyl tries opie-image May 18 16:29:59 mickeyl: it'd be nice is uclibc works with X and E May 18 16:30:14 yeah May 18 16:30:18 I know gpe still has a lot i18n stuff un-ifdeffed May 18 16:30:40 I do like my w900, I just wish it had linux instead of symbian UIQ May 18 16:36:04 mickeyl: don't forget to tell the ezx people about softfpa vs hardfpa May 18 16:37:13 mickeyl: before people start blaiming OE for float problems May 18 16:37:17 heh May 18 16:37:59 i don't think there will be any problems, because the qte on the device is totally incompatible anway May 18 16:38:18 yes, but they had a debian rootstrap to test with earlier May 18 16:38:34 ah right. I will tell 'em. May 18 16:38:36 and haralds mail just says that the OZ one is smaller May 18 16:38:58 thanks May 18 16:39:08 saves me a mailinglist subscription ;) May 18 16:39:14 koen, how goes the 4.1 buile? May 18 16:39:53 gcc-cross built fine May 18 16:40:02 I'm now trying to build a bootstrap-image with it May 18 16:40:20 crap May 18 16:40:25 bitbake is broken May 18 16:40:37 it doesn't build default_pref=-1 stuff anymore May 18 16:41:06 which makes the shell a bit useless... May 18 16:41:26 uclibc svn doesn't compile a toolchain :( .. 0.9.28 works with gcc4 ... i still need to put some uclibc stuff into gcc4.1 though May 18 16:43:58 ~change 269 usd to gbp May 18 16:44:03 269.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 142.234 Pound (GBP) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 18 16:59:59 ade|desk: please do, that'd be cool May 18 17:00:07 I'll test a uclibc for opie-image on collie since long May 18 17:00:12 * mickeyl bitbake opie-image May 18 17:00:25 hrw|gone: rc4 opie-image looks good so far May 18 17:00:28 hrw|gone: spitz, that is May 18 17:00:48 i need to back out the thumb crap from uclibc svn too May 18 17:01:25 i dont think that it has patched correctly for a long long time May 18 17:01:41 thumb would be a bit useless on collie May 18 17:01:59 * koen tries to find a 't' in 'armv4l' May 18 17:02:22 thumb is a bit useless in sh3,4 x86 , mips etc May 18 17:04:29 koen: :-) May 18 17:05:23 can someone do a "your-target-objdump -x librsvg.so | grep NEEDED" on some OE built librsvg? May 18 17:14:22 i can... give me some minutes to build it May 18 17:14:31 same here :) May 18 17:15:02 right hometime ... cya folks May 18 17:15:07 cu ade May 18 17:50:48 Hey everyone May 18 17:54:06 I just want to say I am not a system developer, just a user. Was reffered here to ask about a problem I am having. Problem: I have Zaurus C860, I just changed background to dark color and I noticed that it looks strange. I mean it seems as though I can see it refreshing the image... You know those florecent lights, when they are about to go out they look brighter and darker.. well this looks like this somewhat, anyone have advice for me? Is this so May 18 17:56:01 DukeD: I think you'd want #openzaurus May 18 17:57:20 eh, thanks, worth a try May 18 17:57:23 mickeyl: I am not currently building, so I have patience :-) May 18 17:57:27 koen: I am not currently building, so I have patience :-) May 18 17:57:50 likewise: that thing has a multitude of dependencies :D May 18 17:57:55 building arts atm. May 18 17:58:04 libart, even May 18 17:58:19 mickeyl: cairo? May 18 17:58:28 dunno. i just said bitbake libsrvg May 18 17:58:35 or rsvg May 18 17:59:08 what duked is referring to, is a flickering behavior, of the LCD, that seems to show up in some roms, and some circumstances, and not others May 18 17:59:18 mickeyl: thanks. It's just that I think there are some "weak" dependencies, libraries that are only needed for some of it's functions. May 18 17:59:24 er, not LCD, flickering of the backlight May 18 17:59:36 ive seen it before, but I'm not sure what causes it, or if its cause to be concerned at all May 18 17:59:48 there are some values you can write to some sys file May 18 17:59:51 i dunno them offhand May 18 17:59:53 RP would know May 18 18:01:37 raduga: switch to images, you can't fix roms, since they are read only May 18 18:02:17 How do you mean koen? May 18 18:02:38 mickeyl: the gcc 4.1 snapshot seems to work: NOTE: package glibc-2.4-r5: task do_populate_staging: started May 18 18:02:50 very cool, koen May 18 18:03:13 * mickeyl afraid of more c++ patches May 18 18:03:30 NOTE: package librsvg-2.11.1-r0: task do_compile: started May 18 18:03:32 ... May 18 18:03:43 mickeyl: gcc 4.x is a nice excuse to dump some legacy apps May 18 18:03:48 heh May 18 18:03:50 *opie* ? May 18 18:03:51 or what May 18 18:04:14 the plethora of qt/e hacks that haven't seen improvement since 2002 May 18 18:04:27 yeah... it's just that they are still used May 18 18:04:54 most of them have usuable and maintained alternatives May 18 18:05:28 koen: can we dump 2.4 already? May 18 18:05:28 any volunteers to add armv5te asm to liboil and evas? May 18 18:05:33 is that legacy enough? May 18 18:05:51 raduga: depends on your machine May 18 18:05:57 OE != OZ May 18 18:06:05 I can't repeat that enough May 18 18:06:28 koen, yes you can. You shouldn't have to, but you can certainly repeat it too much. May 18 18:06:30 koen: i wasn't referring to OZ specific things though, May 18 18:06:39 koen: i was being a snide, and unhelpful remark. May 18 18:06:48 koen: sorry, if you haven't put me on ignore yet :( May 18 18:06:50 likewise: here we go May 18 18:06:52 http://oe.pastebin.com/725024 May 18 18:06:54 bbl May 18 18:07:35 mickeyl|dinner: bon appetit. May 18 18:07:41 Anyone know when/if berlios is going to come back up? May 18 18:07:48 mickey|dinner: bon appetit. May 18 18:07:52 mickey|dinner: and thanks May 18 18:08:18 likewise: I suspect libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 is dragging in X May 18 18:10:02 koen: yep, I think so too. It's gtk+, and there are other parts there that need X. Although I do not think gdk_pixbuf needs X per se. May 18 18:10:31 likewise: it shouldn't, but iirc it's part of the gtk+ package, which does have deps on X May 18 18:10:52 koen: Anyway: I plan on upgrading librsvg first, to one that doesn't depend on libart, but on cairo instead. May 18 18:11:05 likewise: patches to make libgdk a seperate package will be gladly accepted :) May 18 18:11:06 koen: yes, I think we are saying the same regarding deps on X. May 18 18:12:04 koen: sure, I plan on doing this in OE. It's just that I need to learn how to do it. Yesterday I did it the old fashioned way (fooling libtool and pkg_config and all that) and it sucked big time. May 18 18:12:34 koen: there is a glib dependency in librsvg too, it's not the easiest package... May 18 18:12:43 glibc doesn't depend on X May 18 18:12:46 ehm May 18 18:12:47 glib May 18 18:13:10 glib is mostly a convinience API for type and file access May 18 18:13:31 glib: no but glib is not easy to fool into cross-compiling AFAIK. Or was it librsvg's dependency on glibc. I don't know anymore... May 18 18:16:41 damn canadians being slow May 18 18:16:45 * koen blames canada May 18 18:30:28 howdy again May 18 18:37:59 oooooh spot the guy who got caught out doing apt-get -y upgrade May 18 18:38:04 mtn 0.26 oops May 18 18:42:04 koen: huh? what are you waiting for from the Canadians/ May 18 18:42:56 weird stuff... my org.oe.dev opie-image with 2.6 boots on poodle, but quickly consumes disk space on root fs... anyone encountered the same problem or i have to figure out things myself? May 18 18:46:22 koen: is the EOS 20 yours? May 18 19:05:16 hi all May 18 19:05:24 hi May 18 19:06:00 ~seen RP May 18 19:06:04 rp is currently on #gpe #oe #openzaurus #handhelds.org. Has said a total of 149 messages. Is idling for 6h 36m 12s, last said: 'mickeyl: Agreed, a phone in OE would be great'. May 18 19:53:31 hi May 18 19:54:15 i just tried to build oz354x bootstrap-image with kernel 2.6 and it failed compiling qemu, I dont need qemu can I disable it? May 18 20:05:29 hi May 18 20:06:24 re hrw May 18 20:16:27 re May 18 20:16:37 koen: we have a manual on OE :} May 18 20:16:48 koen: kergoth did write it once up on a time May 18 20:20:33 btw, wheres kergoth gone? havent seen him in ages May 18 20:20:47 Kristoffer: he moved from florida to a dessert May 18 20:20:55 arizona May 18 20:21:04 if i remeber correctly May 18 20:21:05 mn -> tx -> mn -> az May 18 20:21:06 human May 18 20:21:10 hehe May 18 20:21:13 hi kergoth May 18 20:21:23 mn minnesota? May 18 20:21:23 kergoth: hey, do you have the docbook source for the manual? May 18 20:21:24 it wont drop below 100F until next week sometime, if then. May 18 20:21:29 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19475 May 18 20:21:35 and its only may :\ May 18 20:23:20 kergoth: where abouts? May 18 20:24:22 suburb of phoenix, working in scottsdale atm May 18 20:26:09 BTW: I have a 2GB RAM P4 machine for doing builds now May 18 20:26:12 :D May 18 20:26:31 zecke he May 18 20:26:43 woglinde: only 3.7GHz May 18 20:26:49 woglinde: and it lacks a second cpu... May 18 20:27:00 zecke where did you get it May 18 20:27:14 woglinde: Aldi North May 18 20:27:19 woglinde: well it has no public IP May 18 20:27:21 jesus May 18 20:27:26 not a medion May 18 20:27:45 woglinde: no it is in the rack at the BMCO Forum May 18 20:27:53 woglinde: I can use it for network simulations etc... May 18 20:28:33 woglinde: will setup Xen and let run FreeBSD inside Xen to do the simulations and another one for building OE May 18 20:33:02 hi, anyone an idea on what can be wrong here? I just updated my sources to the latest version. Now it is hanging in NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r6: task do_populate_staging: started May 18 20:33:02 for ages. Anyone an idea what is wrong May 18 20:33:04 and I still have a <1GHz Celeron May 18 20:33:04 kergoth: ick...Phoenix is *hot* May 18 20:33:52 eFfeM: usually takes a while for that to start May 18 20:35:37 JustinP: I know, I've been waiting for quite a while (didn't time); and when running top I see that make is on top and on every refresh the pid is 200 or so higher than the previous time May 18 20:36:04 ::shurg:: May 18 20:36:12 wait for 10-15m May 18 20:36:20 is your CPu waiting for IO a lot? May 18 20:36:55 waited already for 30 mins or so, just saw the pid number wrapping around, it is now at do_package May 18 20:37:46 it's not very busy with the hard disk May 18 20:38:23 this is on a 3 Ghz dual core pentium with 2GB of mem May 18 20:39:07 effem nothing May 18 20:39:18 to build the locales packages take so much time May 18 20:40:12 eFfeM: look at the wait % in top May 18 20:41:01 woglinde: i know, I've built several times before, but it was never this long May 18 20:41:36 effem are you bilding opnzaurus? May 18 20:41:40 JustinP: Cpu(s): 48.5% us, 3.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 47.2% id, 0.5% wa, 0.2% hi, 0.0% si May 18 20:41:50 woglinde: no, openslug May 18 20:42:34 locales does not seem to be the bad guy: NOTE: generation of binary locales disabled. this may break i18n! May 18 20:43:56 yah, it doesn't build locales during do_populate_staging anyway. that happens during do_package. May 18 20:44:25 staging is basically just "make install". May 18 20:44:50 package is longer because (even without binary locales) it involves a lot of file manipulation May 18 20:44:51 at some point it went to do_package, perhaps May 18 20:45:06 at some point it went to do_package May 18 20:45:09 (no perhaps) May 18 20:45:11 ah May 18 20:45:32 oh, right, sorry, I didn't notice you said that before May 18 20:45:41 np May 18 20:46:26 i'll wait it out, but thought something changed as things seem a lot slower May 18 20:50:27 finished, packaging did take a lot less time than staging May 18 20:58:20 effem maybe the last time you had have something in the ccache May 18 20:58:49 hmm lack of time :( May 18 20:59:44 woglinde: I need to get a new disk :( May 18 20:59:59 zecke I told you that May 18 21:00:13 hmmm May 18 21:00:22 NOTE: package glibc-2.4-r5: task do_populate_staging: started seems to hang May 18 21:01:26 lol May 18 21:01:34 woglinde: the new paulana advertising is funn May 18 21:02:30 rwhitby: your autobuilder uses the Makefile only and runs make update ; make openslug; sleep 10; make... regulary? May 18 21:02:35 zecke hm I rarely look tv these times May 18 21:03:25 woglinde: Oliver Kahn says: "Die Bank ist der schoenste Platz" (the bench is the most beautiful place) May 18 21:03:33 buildmachines... May 18 21:03:34 woglinde: after having looked at the breast of the waiter May 18 21:03:34 zecke: the autobuilder checks every 15 minutes, and if there is no autobuil running then it starts one. It is an incremental build of all distros and optware packages from CVS in serial order. May 18 21:04:01 rwhitby: what do I need to 'clone' it :) May 18 21:04:28 it's two shell scripts and a crontab. May 18 21:04:47 (plus the top-level Makefile which you can get from the org.nslu2-linux.dev branch) May 18 21:05:00 highly non trivial things :) May 18 21:06:24 zecke: msg me an email address and I'll forward them to you May 18 21:07:27 hrw, zecke: OE doesn't like the new autoconf debian pulled in, so you need to bitbake -b autoconf-native May 18 21:07:52 koen: hmm May 18 21:07:59 koen: but we do that on build anyway? May 18 21:08:25 zecke: no, since automake needs autoconf on the host before OE builds autoconf-native May 18 21:08:57 zecke: see PM May 18 21:09:49 koen, wrt your 23.13 note on glibc: is this your observation or did you get that from somewhere? May 18 21:10:01 eFfeM: observation May 18 21:10:05 eventually it finished for me, it seems to invoke nested makes May 18 21:10:15 i think it took me more than 1 hr May 18 21:10:30 it was at that point before 'thunderheart' started May 18 21:10:43 koen: thats why I got problem... May 18 21:10:45 I'll leave it running overninght May 18 21:11:51 koen: hmm that is bad May 18 21:12:17 koen: so now we have dependency chain... automake-native need autoconf-native which need automake-native May 18 21:12:25 s/chain/loop May 18 21:12:36 we always had May 18 21:12:46 i got out of it, might be when the pid wrapped May 18 21:12:51 koen: not if autoconf/host worked May 18 21:13:07 hrw: indeed May 18 21:13:13 calliing it a day... May 18 21:13:45 koen: I saw from irc log that you plan to buy a780. Is it possible to install gpe on it? May 18 21:13:59 koen: when day will get 48h I will work out tool to check does tools which OE need exist on host and build if not May 18 21:14:11 lamikr: it should be May 18 21:15:01 nice, is there info from the flashchip? May 18 21:15:20 lamikr: yes, but the ezx people are working from sd first May 18 21:16:12 * hrw goes sleep May 18 21:16:18 night hrw May 18 21:16:19 Yes, that's smart. May 18 21:16:25 'night hrw May 18 21:36:01 koen: One big change is happened btw. in every cvs url that points to sourceforge. After moving the cvs services to new hardware, they changed the names. Address cvs.sourceforge.net/xanadux is now for example xanadux.cvs.sourceforge.net/xanadux May 18 21:37:41 lamikr: feel free to push the change in .dev May 18 21:38:09 koen: I will. May 18 21:48:24 lamikr: see the fetcher report for other failing sources May 18 21:50:01 zecke: In mailing list? May 18 21:50:25 lamikr: yes, or I can put a updated version on ewi May 18 21:51:39 zecke: surfnet should be the fastest sf.net mirror May 18 21:51:55 hi May 18 21:52:09 zecke: the uni has a 20Gbit uplink to that mirror :) May 18 21:52:11 hey CoreDump|home May 18 21:52:19 koen: ah good May 18 21:52:53 'surfnet' is the name for the network between the 12 dutch universities May 18 21:55:15 koen the name in germnay is DFN May 18 21:55:24 deutsches forschungs netz May 18 21:55:38 where vanille is hosted at May 18 21:55:42 :) May 18 21:55:53 the NDIX used to be down the street May 18 21:55:57 till they moved it May 18 21:56:26 Nederland - Deutchland internet exchange May 18 21:56:46 which should have a big link to the dfn May 18 22:00:09 I still hope to get tickets for the WM :} May 18 22:00:45 zecke: hockey as already begun :-P May 18 22:01:15 Ken|JLime: it was too easy to get tickets ;) May 18 22:01:56 :-D May 18 22:03:09 woglinde: when will we see us? May 18 22:05:14 zecke dont know May 18 22:05:23 I will go to bed now May 18 22:05:26 woglinde: you need money, I need that folder :) May 18 22:05:27 * zecke too May 18 22:05:39 hm I need the macpro May 18 22:05:41 hahahahahaaaa May 18 22:05:54 woglinde: pro? May 18 22:06:05 woglinde: I only have a old ibook May 18 22:40:29 nite May 18 22:44:53 pb_: I'm preparing a patch for bluez May 18 23:14:16 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r11bb54e0... 10/packages/bluez/ (files/no-user-include.patch bluez-utils.inc): May 18 23:14:16 packages/bluez/bluez-utils: Do not add -I/usr/include May 18 23:14:16 bluez add prefix/include to the include path. May 18 23:14:16 While we have /usr as prefix we certainly don't May 18 23:14:16 want to include /usr/include. The attachs patch May 18 23:14:18 disables this when cross compiling. May 18 23:30:29 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8d2aa23a... 10/conf/distro/ezx.conf: ezx.conf: add stuff for uclibc builds (uncommented atm.) May 18 23:30:48 g'night May 18 23:42:39 Anyway to set a default optimization on a specific package? May 19 00:07:42 Is the channel for the familiar distribution #familiar? May 19 00:35:53 anyone in here build for multiple distros? I currently build for OpenZaurus and I want to expand to include Familiar.... but I'm not sure how to do both without makeing a mess.... just looking for suggestions. May 19 00:53:42 Zero_Chaos, that will doubtfull not work very well unless your trying to use .dev and that may or may not currently even build familiar May 19 00:54:05 most of the familiar devs are trying to get .4 out the door May 19 00:54:43 emte: I know they are... but I don't think they are building from .dev May 19 00:55:05 emte: and I was thinking of running two seperate conf/local.conf files and having tmp/oz and tmp/familiar May 19 00:55:10 emte: any ideas? May 19 00:56:20 my comment was in regards to trying to have both ( all three) branches checked out May 19 00:56:45 emte: I have two branches now and I do that fine... May 19 00:57:29 thats good, then just write a script and source the right conf May 19 00:57:54 or alt you could use tinderbox or another multibuild system May 19 00:58:21 there are a few tinderbox systems used currently to build all the configureations May 19 01:00:04 I have no idea what tinderbox is... and I'm currently working on a defense for court tomorrow, got a link that might explain quickly? (you can say no) May 19 01:05:01 http://www.mozilla.org/tinderbox.html May 19 01:05:14 thanks May 19 01:06:06 I like the two conf idea.... May 19 01:06:09 seems easier May 19 01:11:13 bitbake blah-image; mv conf/local.conf conf/oz.conf; mv conf/fam.conf conf/local.conf; bitbake blah-image May 19 01:11:19 tada May 19 01:12:20 emte: as a matter of fact, that was exactly what I was thinking... May 19 01:12:27 emte: glad you don't think it's too crazy May 19 04:04:06 Anyone know if there is a working snes9x for opie somewhere? It doesn't work in the latest OZ feed... May 19 04:04:13 for gpe i mean May 19 06:18:05 even more world domination: http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-May/000415.html May 19 06:39:48 koen, is your glibc build finished May 19 06:40:08 nope May 19 06:40:55 i just started from scratch, took 48 minutes (from begin to end) May 19 06:41:34 examined the stamps: staging for r3 took 4 minutes, for r4: 5 minutes, for r6: 15 minutes May 19 06:41:57 had the impression it took much longer yesterday evening (this morning did a bb clean May 19 06:42:34 other concern: there is also a glibc_2.4.bb, but this one is not used .... May 19 06:42:48 NOTE: package glibc-2.4-r5: task do_populate_staging: started May 19 06:42:48 away for a few minutes to grab coffee May 19 06:43:02 that one has been hanging all night May 19 06:43:15 bb glibc starts the 2.3.5 cvs build for me ... May 19 06:43:55 koen: the same for me May 19 06:43:59 i see it starting a huge amount of makes May 19 06:44:06 now really coffee first May 19 06:52:50 yep May 19 06:52:55 -D -D -D shows a loop May 19 06:53:57 bonjour May 19 06:54:02 hey Genesis May 19 06:57:51 koen, should I expect to get 2.4 ? do we need to do something to the 2.3.5 cvs bb files to give preference to 2.4 ? May 19 06:58:27 eFfeM: I suspect the slugos*.conf locks it to 2.3.5 May 19 07:00:05 mickey|zzZZzz: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2006-05/msg00425.html May 19 07:01:05 koen, you are correct (as usual :-) ) : slugos.conf:PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc ?= "2.3.5+cvs20050627" May 19 07:08:26 TheMasterMind1: do you have some time to update classpath to 0.91? May 19 07:13:06 hi all May 19 07:13:15 is there a jvm in oe ? May 19 07:15:05 multiple May 19 07:15:41 ls packages | grep vm May 19 07:24:46 hi May 19 07:25:15 hey hrw|work May 19 07:27:20 * koen wonders why OE doesn't build make-native May 19 07:30:31 aargh May 19 07:30:46 it looks we need to remove some entries from the survey May 19 07:31:05 ? May 19 07:31:18 "stability of Open Zaurus" when asked about OE May 19 07:31:21 OE != OZ May 19 07:33:42 'Stability of OpenEmbedded' we have May 19 07:33:48 and this is correct May 19 07:35:01 OE .dev is too unstable for some customers May 19 07:35:39 hrw|work: fwiw, puzzles is in OE: packages/puzzles/ May 19 07:36:15 o. good to know May 19 07:47:57 ~curse trolltech May 19 07:48:00 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, trolltech ! May 19 07:48:06 | sed: -e expression #1, char 29: unknown option to `s' May 19 07:48:06 | find: warning: Unix filenames usually don't contain slashes (though pathnames do). That means that '-name lib/libqpe.lai' will probably evaluate to false all the time on this system. You might find the '-wholename' test more useful, or perhaps '-samefile'. Alternatively, if you are using GNU grep, you could use 'find ... -print0 | grep -FzZ lib/libqpe.lai'. May 19 07:48:12 argh May 19 07:53:13 <_law_> hmm any ideas? http://pastebin.com/726143 May 19 07:56:13 http://mail.pdaxrom.org/download/1.1.0beta4/pdaXrom-builder-10.37_18.05.06.tar.bz2 May 19 07:59:57 mv pdaX* bunch-o-hacks.tar.bz2 ? May 19 08:01:18 _law_: yes, qemu is broken on your host May 19 08:02:12 <_law_> koen, any ideas how i can fix this? May 19 08:02:31 get a working qemu or turn of locale generation May 19 08:23:40 bonjout toua May 19 08:58:21 ls -1 org.openembedded.dev/packages/ | grep vlc May 19 08:58:26 ERROR: Nothing provides dependency vlc May 19 08:58:28 ? May 19 08:58:56 hu, i mean the grep indeed finds 'vlc' May 19 08:59:49 morning May 19 09:00:17 theturtle: packages/vlc/ May 19 09:01:36 hehe ok hrw|work May 19 09:12:53 is it normal that mplayer tries to link things in libqte ? i'am building a gpe based environment May 19 09:13:37 you built libsdl-qpe May 19 09:14:58 there is no way in local.conf to tell something like "no qte, if(-sdl || -qpe) choose -sdl" ? May 19 09:18:25 look at preferred providers May 19 09:22:19 I'm sorry I did not follow the whole thread, what about the package glibc-2.4-r5: task do_populate_staging hang ? i'm stalled at this point since yesturday. May 19 09:22:23 make -r PARALLELMFLAGS= CVSOPTS= -C /home/chris/arm/build.angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-linux-gnueabi/glibc-2.4-r5/glibc-2.4 objdir=/home/chris/arm/build.angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-linux-gnueabi/glibc-2.4-r5/build-arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi /home/chris/arm/build.angstrom/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libc.so.6 May 19 09:22:48 (building angstrom for tosa) May 19 09:23:17 have no clue about the problem May 19 09:31:03 hi Liam May 19 09:31:58 hey Marcin May 19 09:50:51 urgh. any ideas how to pass flags to linker in oe "The Right Way" ? building obexpush-1.0.0-r2 for OZ with uclibc fails - it doesn't find necessary libs at linktime, but libs are present in staging dir **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 19 09:59:56 2006