**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 22 09:59:57 2006 May 22 10:02:33 hmm my machine has some issues... May 22 10:03:38 one of them being not a niagara or quad g5? May 22 10:03:55 koen: simple P4 ;) May 22 10:04:08 koen: it can't connect ewi546 regulary and builds then stop May 22 10:06:24 hi lardman May 22 10:17:27 zecke: screen May 22 10:17:39 zecke: and disable keepalive with ssh May 22 10:17:46 hey lardman|work May 22 10:18:07 koen: sure screen, but the router hick ups on the first connect after a while :} May 22 10:18:17 koen: so connecting the tinderbox times out :} May 22 10:36:49 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r24bec811... 10/packages/linux/ (9 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus: added SquashFS support, fixed mousedev resolution May 22 10:36:53 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rd295f271... 10/packages/linux/ (9 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus: added SquashFS support, fixed mousedev resolution May 22 10:49:46 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r3fe026a1... 10/packages/xmms/ (files/gcc4.patch xmms_1.2.10.bb): add xmms, the x multimedia system. yes, it needs gtk+1 *cough* May 22 10:50:33 wow.. xmms1 for all those pdaX users May 22 10:52:11 that's right. i could leave them with such an advantage May 22 10:52:13 hi btw. May 22 10:52:49 s/could/could NOT/ May 22 10:53:36 baking... May 22 10:55:21 mickeyl: alsa stuff enabled in xmms? May 22 10:55:52 hi hrw|work, koen, everyone else May 22 10:55:56 yeah. the depends is probably missing May 22 10:56:12 hey mickeyl May 22 10:56:16 hi koen May 22 10:56:41 * koen misses mickeyl in a certain irc channel May 22 10:57:08 koen: the problem is... i have a nice layout with 6 windows May 22 10:57:13 :) May 22 10:57:20 hence i try not to join more at once May 22 10:57:33 i guess 8 would be too much for a man at my age May 22 10:59:11 hail mickeyl May 22 11:00:00 Hi all May 22 11:00:09 hey pb_, hi do13 May 22 11:00:42 hey mickeyl May 22 11:01:02 mickeyl: [[1]#oe [2]#openzaurus [3]!amisia [4]#cacko [5]#zaurus [6]#opie [7]#zaurus [8]nickserv [9]#handhelds.org [0]#angstrom [q]#monotone [w](status)] May 22 11:01:22 you're crazy May 22 11:01:47 what are you doing @ #cacko? :D May 22 11:02:18 mickeyl: misc things - last time I talk with xromer about adding new target to linux-oz May 22 11:02:28 cool May 22 11:02:31 and why in #zaurus twice...? May 22 11:02:40 split personality... May 22 11:02:45 the good hrw and the bad hrw May 22 11:02:54 lardman|work: I use 3 irc networks May 22 11:03:10 hrw|work: Ah, okay May 22 11:03:17 hrw|work: using irssi? May 22 11:03:43 zecke: yes May 22 11:03:51 hrw|work: how can I do that? May 22 11:04:00 /server will allow only one? May 22 11:04:08 someone should kill palmOne - 9 lines of text on 320x320 May 22 11:04:20 zecke: /server add May 22 11:04:30 or /connect May 22 11:04:44 zecke: there are /server for adding/changing/removing from list and /connect to connect May 22 11:04:51 zecke: and there is a /disco too ;) May 22 11:05:03 hrw|work: and how do I join a channel on a server? May 22 11:05:25 zecke: /help channel May 22 11:05:46 zecke: use status window, switch to other server, join channel May 22 11:07:14 zecke: e.g. '/channel add -auto #oe freenode', then '/join #oe' May 22 11:07:37 hehe May 22 11:07:39 thanks May 22 11:09:14 NOTE: package xmms-1.2.10-r0: task do_build: completed May 22 11:09:46 hrw|work: Good good :) May 22 11:10:38 crap stuff for crap users May 22 11:11:48 Quite, but it'll keep them happy, which makes me happy May 22 11:17:03 koen: puzzles are 404 ;( May 22 11:22:46 lol May 22 11:25:23 morning May 22 11:25:42 hi May 22 11:32:23 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6c31fda7... 10/packages/freenote/ (11 files in 5 dirs): freenote: added from .dev May 22 11:32:27 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rea070531... 10/packages/xmms/ (files/gcc4.patch xmms_1.2.10.bb): xmms: added from .dev May 22 11:32:31 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rfea0a4ba... 10/packages/puzzles/ (puzzles/game.png puzzles_r6712.bb): puzzles: added r6712 - fetching from SVN May 22 11:46:27 * mickeyl tapping foot while waiting for the parcel service May 22 11:46:36 heh May 22 11:46:42 guess a coffee will relax me *cough* May 22 11:46:44 * mickeyl does so May 22 11:48:56 ~bon appetit May 22 11:48:58 somebody said bon appetit was smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito May 22 11:51:45 There are something wrong with the obexftp. It fails when i am trying to build both opie and gpe image. I also tried to just buil obexftp, but it miss some pathces. Here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/730862 May 22 11:52:54 zecke: http://anholt.livejournal.com/ May 22 11:54:10 koen: yes? running Aiglx on macbook? May 22 11:54:29 goxboxlive: did you get my botmail? May 22 11:54:44 mickeyl: ?! May 22 11:55:32 zecke: the ximagesink part May 22 11:55:38 ah yeah May 22 11:55:43 zecke: Yes i got it, but have no clue how to read it. May 22 11:55:52 goxboxlive: botmail read May 22 11:56:04 /msg ibot botmail read May 22 11:56:14 goxboxlive: you need to install ncurses development files May 22 11:56:56 goxboxlive: works fine here. May 22 11:57:25 hmm justins patch doesn't apply to bitbake HEAD here May 22 11:58:36 mickeyl: right, I have proposed to apply it to HEAD of trunk May 22 11:58:50 oh May 22 11:59:13 k, downgrade time then May 22 11:59:27 mickeyl: we are talking about the backport :) May 22 11:59:33 mickeyl: or feel free to forward port it May 22 12:00:24 ya May 22 12:06:54 hmm, ok patch is in. May 22 12:06:57 lets try to build something May 22 12:09:20 mmh excellent May 22 12:09:22 that seems to work May 22 12:09:49 although the package name is a bit confusing May 22 12:09:58 Packaged contents of opie-ftp into /local/pkg/oe/c7x0/tmp/deploy/ipk/opie-ftp_1.2.1+cvs-now-r0_armv5te.ipk May 22 12:10:25 mickeyl: do s/now/DATETIME maybe? May 22 12:10:40 opie-ftp_1.2.1+cvs-20060522142301-r0_armv5te.ipk May 22 12:11:11 hmm yeah May 22 12:11:14 lets see May 22 12:11:47 hrw|work: datetime is 'bad' as well May 22 12:12:10 hrw|work: because subsequent runs will have a different second ;) May 22 12:12:14 with svn I'd like s/now/revid/ May 22 12:12:20 koen: hehe May 22 12:12:30 hmm nasty May 22 12:12:38 i guess i'll leave that problem for further discussion open May 22 12:12:43 mickeyl: ;) May 22 12:12:54 I have +{DATE} in my packages May 22 12:13:11 since it's rather meant for developing than for packaging May 22 12:13:15 zecke: can i commit to HEAD? May 22 12:13:19 HEAD HEAD, that is May 22 12:13:28 mickeyl: trunk's HEAD May 22 12:13:40 what's trunk again? May 22 12:13:49 mickeyl: I don't know if you can my little boy, you may thoug ;) May 22 12:13:52 * mickeyl confused with that wicked svn-syntax May 22 12:14:01 mickeyl: 'trunk' is just a path May 22 12:14:07 mickeyl: like 'branhes/bitbake-1.4' May 22 12:14:26 ah right. so trunk is what we cvs-weenies would call 'head branch' May 22 12:14:31 devel branch, even May 22 12:14:35 yes May 22 12:14:38 ok May 22 12:14:41 * mickeyl commits then May 22 12:14:42 and HEAD is the latest version May 22 12:16:45 uh oh May 22 12:16:56 NOTE: Fetch svn://svn.openezx.org/trunk/src;module=boot_usb;proto=http May 22 12:16:56 svn: Syntax error in revision argument '{now}' May 22 12:17:19 okay ;) May 22 12:17:40 mickeyl: so the patch needs work :} May 22 12:17:47 looks like it May 22 12:17:50 mickeyl: In my impl. of the patch May 22 12:17:51 JustinP: ping May 22 12:17:59 I had abused encode/decode url May 22 12:18:10 if not parm['src_date_now']... May 22 12:19:41 * mickeyl adds a note to the bugtracker May 22 12:20:26 * mickeyl watches the window and the depressing rain May 22 12:20:40 mickeyl: it just started raining here as well :( May 22 12:20:41 my tapping foot starts to hurt... May 22 12:23:33 zecke: your fail-fast thing is pretty cool. please enhance it to library paths when you have a chance May 22 12:24:38 zecke: I had ncurses dev installed. It just upgraded it. But now i get this message when trying to build obexftp: http://pastebin.com/730913 May 22 12:25:11 goxboxlive: not looking at the pastebin, ncurses will make menuconfig in Opie work May 22 12:26:24 libgcrypt is not fetchable :( May 22 12:27:39 Zecke: I am not building for my x86 machine now, i am building for my arm device with bitbake. The one yesterday was without bitbake. May 22 12:27:48 http://pastebin.com/730913 looks like you have an incomplete tree May 22 12:28:08 btw., how' bout upgrading to bitbake 143? May 22 12:28:20 goxboxlive: sure and ncursrs was the answer to the issue from yesterday ;) May 22 12:29:01 zecke: Ok, i'll try that later :-). May 22 12:29:39 mickeyl: Ok i can try to upgrade my bitbake. But someone has told me to stick with the stable one, and the last stable one was 1.4 May 22 12:30:29 * mickeyl grabs his guitar and sings a bit ... May 22 12:30:59 goxboxlive: the last stable release is 1.4.2 and the stable branch in svn has 1.4.3 May 22 12:31:19 OZ 3.5.4.1 even REQ 1.4.2 ;) May 22 12:32:37 Koen: Ok, the i stick to 1.4.2 . shouldnt that be ok? Or should i move to 1.4.3? May 22 12:33:10 1.4.3 has the most bugfixes May 22 12:34:50 koen: and is not yet released? May 22 12:35:32 hrw|work: it should only have one cosmetic change in it May 22 12:36:36 zecke: anyway it is not fetchable as archive from berlios - so it is not released - so it is not available for normal users (where normal user == 'what is this subversion thing?' kind) May 22 12:37:44 hrw|work: right, as they don't need it (yet) May 22 12:37:58 hrw|work: as this is not a critical thing May 22 12:38:05 sure May 22 12:38:15 hmm.. I will release rc4 May 22 12:39:14 heh.. images to rebuild May 22 12:39:58 for machine in akita spitz c7x0;do echo "MACHINE = \"$machine\"" > conf/auto.conf;echo "MACHINE = \"$machine\""; bbrebuild packages/meta/task-bootstrap.bb;bbrebuild packages/initscripts/initscripts_1.0.bb ;bitbake bootstrap-image opie-image gpe-image e-image-core e-image;done May 22 12:40:13 multimachine roxx May 22 12:40:37 hmm May 22 12:40:39 you fully trust it? May 22 12:41:02 mickeyl: use ipkg-diff to compare ;) May 22 12:41:08 mickeyl: all 3.5.4.1 was built with multimachine May 22 12:41:21 i always have the slight idea of things going wrong in that kind of setup May 22 12:41:41 mickeyl: for arm4<>arm5 builds I do arm4 first May 22 12:42:08 mickeyl: this build is arm5 only so I do not expect many problems - some stuff need to be rebuilt each time anyway May 22 12:42:35 multimache + build from feeds rocks May 22 12:43:03 koen: next step: Writing a WebApp to generate images for you May 22 12:43:41 zecke: you mean "ask celf for the code for that webapp"? May 22 12:43:55 koen: ?? did I miss something? May 22 12:43:59 hrw|work: the problem is are we sure about which things have to rebuilt? don't we miss some? May 22 12:44:13 zecke: the celf testlab has such a webapp May 22 12:44:24 what is the celf testlab? May 22 12:44:37 zecke: a webapp that builds images and flashes them on test boards May 22 12:44:48 zecke: a dev-cluster on steroids May 22 12:45:07 koen: where is the celf test-lab? May 22 12:45:12 koen: I want one May 22 12:45:16 zecke: http://testlab.celinuxforum.org/ May 22 12:45:51 mickeyl: look in contrib/oz-build.sh which clean/rebuild many packages which has machine subpackages May 22 12:46:00 http://testlab.celinuxforum.org/otl-task-list.html May 22 12:46:02 lol May 22 12:46:14 this looks like OpenEmbedded to me May 22 12:46:26 zecke: it is May 22 12:46:56 woot! :) May 22 12:47:20 http://free-electrons.com/torrent/elc2006-matt-locke-celf-open-test-lab.ogg.torrent May 22 12:47:28 <_guillermo_> classpath and some java rlated packages don't compile in oz354x because libxtst is a non satisfied dependency, but I don't see that in the DEPENDS May 22 12:47:28 for the video of the presentation May 22 12:47:54 <_guillermo_> what is the relationship between libxtst and xtst? this classpath compiles fine in .dev May 22 12:48:08 mickeyl: that's the conference CosmicPenguin invites us to May 22 12:48:14 _guillermo_: .dev has them renamed May 22 12:48:36 koen: ah right. May 22 12:48:57 the testlab thingy was discussed here a while ago :) May 22 12:49:04 I though you already knew about it May 22 12:49:24 <_guillermo_> hrw|work: can I fix it changing something in the classpath bb? May 22 12:49:27 they should help on the tinderbox :} May 22 12:49:44 koen: I can't concentrate very good on non-thesis things in the last months.... May 22 12:50:06 _guillermo_: DEPENDS line May 22 12:50:15 mickeyl: you seem to be concentrating on tapping very well ;) May 22 12:50:36 ~lart php May 22 12:50:36 * ibot executes killall -HUP php May 22 12:52:52 mickeyl: thesis? what are you doing here? May 22 12:54:08 mickeyl: You said that i had an incomplete tree. But how do i fix it? I'll still get the same message when trying to build obexftp. http://pastebin.com/730913 Even thow i have upgraded to 1.4.3. Could it be that i have done an monotone update today? I had to do it because it complained about that i had a hcid.conf and asked me if i wanted to keep it or replace it with the new one. And i have tried to choose both, but it just hanged a May 22 12:54:08 fter i made the choice. May 22 12:54:27 goxboxlive: don't randomly delete stuff in your OE tree would be a good start May 22 12:54:37 <_guillermo_> hrw|work: did you find out it the svg logos where problematic? I could not test them last week (somebody borrow the akitas) but I could today or tomorrow May 22 12:54:54 ~change 308 usd to gbp May 22 12:54:58 308.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 164.234 Pound (GBP) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 12:55:12 _guillermo_: kernel logos are disabled for akita/spitz/poodle now May 22 12:55:13 oops i just spent 165 quid May 22 12:55:29 someone familiar with sempron64/socket754? May 22 12:55:50 zecke: Ok, i actually deleted the obexftp to download again from cvs. But i got this missing patch before i deleted the obexftp stuff. May 22 12:56:57 goxboxlive: try to be more accurate please... May 22 12:57:09 goxboxlive: What is obexftp? source, bitbake files... May 22 12:58:57 mt revert May 22 12:59:08 to get a file back from the repository into your working copy May 22 13:00:08 'mt revert --missing' for mass revert May 22 13:00:16 oh cool May 22 13:00:18 * mickeyl didn't know May 22 13:00:38 mickeyl: remove some files and try 'mt update' May 22 13:01:01 * hrw|work got that hint from monotone many times May 22 13:01:11 yeah May 22 13:01:23 hey mickeyl May 22 13:01:26 hows life? May 22 13:02:07 mithro: so and so. still having to work on the thesis while being unemployed sucks a bit. waiting anxiously for my MOTO A780. other than that, ok ;) how 'bout you? May 22 13:03:03 waiting for the SoC response, doing Uni work, only 2 weeks till exams May 22 13:03:36 mickeyl: being unemployed means also more time May 22 13:03:46 not in my case May 22 13:03:53 i was employed at university for doing work on the thesis... May 22 13:03:58 ah May 22 13:04:23 ah the lovely error again: May 22 13:04:24 * hrw|work got infor during weekend that local technical university has tosa in lab... May 22 13:04:30 | CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include/sqlite May 22 13:04:38 hrw|work: cool! grab it :) May 22 13:05:31 ;D May 22 13:08:58 * mickeyl hunts the /usr/include/sqlite May 22 13:12:54 mickeyl: yay - how do you do that CROSS COMPILE Badness? May 22 13:13:09 mithro: that comes automatically nowadays May 22 13:13:15 zecke patched gcc ! May 22 13:13:35 btw do you think you could do a LD_PRELOAD so that any file accessed out of the certain directions causes errors too? May 22 13:13:49 sounds like a neat idea May 22 13:13:59 i'm not sure whether that would work May 22 13:14:12 it would slow down for sure though May 22 13:14:19 it could be problamatic May 22 13:14:34 mickeyl: would it slow down access that much? it's a single if on file open May 22 13:14:52 mithro: it's a string compare May 22 13:14:55 and not only one May 22 13:15:28 yeah i guess so, although opening files is normally considered an expensive operation too? May 22 13:15:34 s/too/anyway May 22 13:16:22 true May 22 13:22:47 anyone know how to turn a relative filename into an absolute filename? May 22 13:23:04 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd83da249... 10/packages/python/python-pysqlite2_2.2.2.bb: python-pysqlite2: fix SRC_URI and stop it using host headers May 22 13:23:08 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rff8b8b92... 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-pysqlite1: don't let it use host includes May 22 13:24:27 door bell RING May 22 13:24:37 * mickeyl runs May 22 13:28:00 parcel man wonders off not answered quick enough May 22 13:28:05 heh May 22 13:28:15 hrw|work: not sure about "familiar", but we have loads of socket754 semprons here. May 22 13:28:17 ade|desk: on what did you spend 165 quid? May 22 13:28:31 i think you can guess May 22 13:28:53 a780? May 22 13:28:57 yup May 22 13:29:00 :) May 22 13:29:08 pb__: 64bit ones? May 22 13:29:21 yeah May 22 13:29:28 all the new socket754 semprons are 64 bit May 22 13:29:29 pb__: I found sempron64/s754 as cheapest amd64 platform May 22 13:29:59 indeed it is May 22 13:30:43 pb__: can you compare 1.8GHz athlonxp to 1.8GHz semp64? May 22 13:31:40 hard to say. I think the amd marketing numbers are probably about as an accurate a comparison as you're likely to find. May 22 13:31:50 1.8GHz = semp 3000+ (lowest one with cool&quiet) May 22 13:32:11 semp3000+ contra athlonxp 2200+ (thorton/barton) May 22 13:32:43 the machine on my desk is apparently an 1.8GHz sempron 3100+. I'm not sure what makes that different to the 3000+. May 22 13:32:53 might be a bigger cache or something I guess May 22 13:33:09 256KB L2 instead of 128KB May 22 13:33:32 yeah, that'd be it. I do have 256k. May 22 13:33:50 hi. May 22 13:33:57 "morning" all May 22 13:34:33 hi RP magnet May 22 13:35:36 hrw|work: did you release rc4 ? May 22 13:36:00 morning RP May 22 13:36:06 hey RP May 22 13:36:09 magnet: images are rebuilding (again) May 22 13:36:09 IT'S THERE! :D May 22 13:36:16 mickeyl: !!! May 22 13:36:36 mickeyl: a780? May 22 13:36:43 hrw|work: ok great, coz I still don't have network :( May 22 13:36:46 hrw: yeah! May 22 13:37:00 <_guillermo> mickeyl: how is it? is it worth the 500 ¤ ? May 22 13:37:09 mickeyl: with or without gps ? May 22 13:37:25 ade|desk: european one :) May 22 13:37:30 nice May 22 13:37:30 hi, whats wrong with altboot on oz354x kernel 2.6, it says that im using -rc4 but it expexts -rc2, is altboot needed or may i disable it? May 22 13:37:35 _guillermo: no idea, i have to unpack it and charge it before using it May 22 13:37:55 <_guillermo> mickeyl: haha, then so far so good :) May 22 13:37:59 right :) May 22 13:38:31 sws: you have too new kernel for this rootfs May 22 13:39:06 look at this, what is happening. The gpe image was buildt successfully, but Opie craches because of the obexftp. Look at this: http://pastebin.com/731039 May 22 13:39:14 hrw|work: :) hmm May 22 13:40:01 hrw|work: but i did a straight bitbake bootstrap-image with newest oz354x May 22 13:40:06 mickeyl goes toying May 22 13:40:56 15:52 < mickeyl> i'll run and buy a prepaid SIM for the a780 May 22 13:42:35 koen: how much cost prepaid sim in .nl? May 22 13:42:47 here it is 5 pln (~1.25 EUR) May 22 13:43:15 iirc the sim is free and you only pay for the amount of money on it May 22 13:43:29 koen: sure - but how much? May 22 13:43:41 5, 10, 15, 20 euro May 22 13:44:16 depending on the service provider May 22 13:44:44 thx May 22 13:50:32 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/rc4/feed/ - what do you think about it? May 22 13:51:33 smart idea May 22 13:52:11 too much idiots are doing a wget -r May 22 13:52:19 OZ suxx because it does not have 'mc' - told user after looking into machine feed May 22 13:52:25 that kind of lamers rather May 22 13:52:57 if machine bandwidth allow for 'wget -r' then I have nothing against it May 22 13:53:06 hey May 22 13:53:14 big update since friday :) May 22 13:53:16 hi ken May 22 13:55:28 hrw|work: ipkgfind... May 22 13:57:20 lardman|work: the ipkgfind in cvs is broken with a recent (>2002) version of php May 22 13:57:43 and it only works with mysql May 22 13:59:17 koen: The idea is still good though May 22 14:17:39 2006-05-15 GnuTLS 1.4.0 released, the new stable version. May 22 14:17:45 someone want to upgrade? May 22 14:18:02 as soon as i flashed May 22 14:20:05 we have 1.0 and 1.3 branches.. both should be replaced with 1.4 probably.. May 22 14:38:52 ~convert 38.80 USD to AUD May 22 14:39:20 ~convert 38.80 usd to aud May 22 14:39:21 ~convert 1USD to euro May 22 14:39:24 aud is an invalid unit? May 22 14:39:30 ~convert 1 USD to euro May 22 14:39:32 hrm May 22 14:39:34 ahh well May 22 14:39:42 ~convert 1 USDto euro May 22 14:39:46 38.80 U.S. dollars = 51.045915 Australian dollars May 22 14:39:52 according to google May 22 14:39:54 ~convert 1 US to euro May 22 14:39:55 ~change 38.8 usd to aud May 22 14:40:00 38.80 United States Dollar (USD) makes 51.6444 Australia Dollar (AUD) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 14:40:24 ~change 1 USd to euro May 22 14:40:29 1.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 0.780477 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 14:40:43 ~lart Bush May 22 14:40:44 * ibot strangles Bush with a 9-pole serial cable May 22 14:41:00 hmmm, that will get ibot on alist somewhere :) May 22 14:41:30 only if modem users use at&t May 22 14:41:51 ~change 45 usd to eur May 22 14:41:55 45.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 35.1285 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 14:41:56 ~change 1 cad to usd May 22 14:42:00 1.00 Dollar (CAD) makes 0.891512 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 14:43:08 ~change 1 aud to usd May 22 14:43:11 ~change 1 aud to cad May 22 14:43:12 1.00 Australia Dollar (AUD) makes 0.750684 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 14:43:16 1.00 Australia Dollar (AUD) makes 0.841981 Dollar (CAD) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 14:46:08 hrw|work: do you want me to test the new gnu tls ? May 22 14:46:29 magnet: it is not in oe - someone need to add it, build, test etc.. May 22 14:46:39 oh May 22 14:46:59 bbiab May 22 14:47:38 ~ change 2,499.00 usd (15.4-inch MacBook Pro) to euro May 22 14:47:40 that doesn't look right May 22 14:47:41 ibot : 2,499.00 euros May 22 14:47:44 :-/ May 22 14:48:23 yes, that really does look right :-/ May 22 14:48:33 s/does/does NOT/ May 22 14:51:42 ~change 2499 usd to eur May 22 14:51:47 2,499.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 1,949.91 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 14:51:49 hrw|work: I found some stuff to decrypt updater.sh May 22 14:52:07 magnet: OE has normal version + encoder + decoder ;) May 22 14:52:27 ho lol May 22 14:52:28 hrw|work: well, not on apple store :-/ May 22 14:52:42 in fact i'm trying to work only on the zaurus. May 22 14:52:55 like if it was a normal computer. May 22 14:53:53 * hrw|work has to go May 22 14:54:16 bye May 22 14:54:25 I'll update updater.sh May 22 15:12:08 welp off to bed May 22 15:12:10 gnight! May 22 15:12:29 'night mithro May 22 15:21:38 * Philippe is back (gone 17:24:44) May 22 15:22:02 hey Philippe May 22 15:22:58 hello May 22 15:23:05 hey Greg2 May 22 15:23:22 hi May 22 15:23:28 i'm trying to reduce the disk space used to bitbake opie-image for a collie or poodle May 22 15:23:40 i've tried INHERIT += "rm_work" without much success for collie build May 22 15:23:54 are there any other tweaks to apply to build an image on 6.2gb of space May 22 15:24:06 i'm going to get a larger drive... but i would like to build an image now May 22 15:33:11 hey koen May 22 15:36:53 hi May 22 15:37:53 hi CoreDump|home May 22 15:38:38 hey CoreDump|home May 22 15:44:14 a++ May 22 15:48:09 speaking about feeds May 22 15:48:21 if we don't chose a primary site, then we'll loose the USA mirror May 22 15:48:36 ibot: spell choose May 22 15:48:38 'choose' may be spelled correctly May 22 15:48:40 ibot: spell loose May 22 15:48:42 'loose' may be spelled correctly May 22 15:49:13 sorry, oz-related only May 22 15:50:50 ~spell lose May 22 15:50:52 'lose' may be spelled correctly May 22 15:51:14 hello May 22 15:55:14 ~lart people moving tarballs around May 22 15:55:14 * ibot cats /dev/urandom into people moving tarballs around's ear May 22 15:57:35 i've got to leave now, bye May 22 16:00:07 hrw|gone: how much space can we get @ berlios? May 22 16:01:21 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r6b93ecbe... 10/packages/python/python-gammu_0.13.bb: python-gammu: fix SRC_URI May 22 16:12:54 anyone know what's CONFIG_INPUT_TSDEV for? it doesn't look like we need it for a touchscreen, but I'm curious May 22 16:13:26 it's an obsolete device interface for touchscreen events. May 22 16:13:35 cool, thanks May 22 16:13:36 * mickeyl disables May 22 16:13:37 iirc, TSDEV emulates the "old" h3600 api May 22 16:13:46 oh that made it into 2.6? May 22 16:13:49 interesting May 22 16:13:52 or maybe that was TSLIBDEV. both of them are obsolete, anyway May 22 16:14:15 and, yeah, should be disabled May 22 16:15:02 hmm May 22 16:15:23 does that mean that CONFIG_INPUT_TSDEV_SCREEN is irrelevant because it only affects CONFIG_INPUT_TSDEV ? May 22 16:15:33 I think so May 22 16:15:36 i see, thanks. May 22 16:15:42 It should probably be removed entirely from the kernel IMO... May 22 16:15:47 yeah May 22 16:15:48 hi RP May 22 16:15:57 ok, one more... INPUT_EVDEV ? May 22 16:16:07 hi mickeyl May 22 16:16:32 yeah, you need that one May 22 16:16:34 You want that - it enables input devices in /dev/input May 22 16:16:58 excellent, thanks May 22 16:17:12 linux config item documentation could be enhanced... May 22 16:17:19 i might as well send a patch ;) May 22 16:17:26 good idea May 22 16:17:46 "Never enable this option." May 22 16:17:53 hehe May 22 16:18:06 Better still, add it to the feature removal list... May 22 16:18:12 how can i trigger that? May 22 16:18:15 or could you? May 22 16:18:35 * Philippe is away: testing bike fixes May 22 16:19:05 mickeyl: You send a patch adding to the list which is in Documentation somewhere :) May 22 16:19:13 straightforward May 22 16:19:18 * mickeyl adds to DOTO May 22 16:19:21 TODO as well May 22 16:19:45 mickeyl: You normally have to remember to send a patch removing said feature after 3 months as well May 22 16:19:58 or whatever removal deadline you chose.. May 22 16:21:23 ok May 22 16:22:00 * CoreDump|home wonders if there is a "busybox" type samba server May 22 16:23:42 * CoreDump|home is sick of scp May 22 16:24:16 right May 22 16:25:29 a samba client would do as well wouldn't it? May 22 16:25:58 hmm? I want to export the PDA's rootfs - or parts of it May 22 16:26:06 ah, in that case you need the server May 22 16:27:05 NFS would be just as good, wouldn't it? May 22 16:27:30 for me yes =) May 22 16:27:37 for the average user nope May 22 16:28:24 well... we can consider cifs being the lowest common denominator May 22 16:28:34 why shut out windows weenies when we can as well support them May 22 16:28:39 im May 22 16:28:40 o May 22 16:29:39 * CoreDump|home googles cifs May 22 16:30:55 CoreDump|home: why not NFS ? May 22 16:31:24 because I'd like a easy way for the average user May 22 16:31:28 you can get it workin in a kick of a soccer ball =P May 22 16:31:52 CoreDump|home: you want your handheld to be the server ? May 22 16:31:54 /o\ May 22 16:32:00 i'd go the other way aroung May 22 16:32:02 *d May 22 16:32:15 I want a bloody network share to exchange files with it. May 22 16:32:17 ;) May 22 16:32:43 and if it can be done, windows compatible for John Doe & friends May 22 16:32:48 ya, i agree May 22 16:32:54 cifs=samba btw. May 22 16:33:05 right May 22 16:33:16 it does suck that there is no cifs server in familiar May 22 16:33:29 k, something to have in mind. May 22 16:33:35 samba can't do cifs? May 22 16:33:42 is cifs smaller than samba? May 22 16:34:02 it can, but samba is about this <---------------------------------------------------------> big May 22 16:34:12 exactly May 22 16:34:22 heh May 22 16:35:07 bye chaps May 22 16:35:12 bya Laibsc1 May 22 16:35:30 lardman even May 22 16:36:22 cifs doesn't appear to be in OE at all heh May 22 16:36:33 btw, to use ipkg-link, do i have to add a dest dir to /media/card/somewhere first ? May 22 16:36:33 CoreDump|home: cifs is a filesystem May 22 16:36:40 or i can directly install it May 22 16:36:40 err May 22 16:36:57 "common internet file system" May 22 16:37:37 maybe I'm a bit slow, but how could a filesystem replace a network share? can you "mount" a Z-cifs on a desktop? May 22 16:38:03 cifs is just smbfs in a new jacket May 22 16:38:31 meh May 22 16:39:05 that'd be the wrong way around for my purpose then. I don't want to mount a share on my Z, I want to mount my Z on my desktop =) May 22 16:39:45 so install samba on the z :) May 22 16:39:49 cifs is a protocol May 22 16:39:56 thingy May 22 16:40:10 koen: as pb_ said, samba is quite large :\ May 22 16:41:20 full samba is yes, but surely it can be cut down for the file share parts May 22 16:41:34 strip out printers May 22 16:41:36 etc May 22 16:41:40 I'm sure it's possible, but I don't think it's trivial May 22 16:41:56 there's certainly no configure option or anything for that, so you'd need to hack the code May 22 16:42:04 having a light-weight samba.type server would _rock_ May 22 16:42:14 samba is about as big as openswan + ipsec May 22 16:43:11 it probably wouldn't be that hard to write a small cifs server these days, actually, if you didn't care about windows 98, domains, or any of the other SMB paraphernalia. May 22 16:45:26 uhmmm... how do you install packages in other destinations that are not in ipkg.conf May 22 16:45:45 CSMan: you don't May 22 16:46:12 CSMan: step 1: add the destination to ipkg.conf; step 2: proceed as for destinations that are in ipkg.conf May 22 16:46:49 if naslite-smb can do it in 1.7 mb as linux plus samba plus httpd .. surely we can do something smaller May 22 16:47:28 pb__: it doesn't mess with conf files in /etc ? May 22 16:47:48 CSMan: I don't understand the question May 22 16:47:58 what's "it" in that sentence? May 22 16:49:54 pb__: it == any app i install in a different destination (eg an sd card) May 22 16:50:01 once you take the card out... May 22 16:50:46 ...? May 22 16:51:27 ade|desk: yeah, no doubt. that'd be a cool project for someone. May 22 16:51:43 ok. pb__ : i add /media/card/apps as a new dest in ipkg.conf, then i install something like ... samba which is like 8 megs =P May 22 16:51:55 then i remove the sd card, what happens ? May 22 16:52:08 nothing very exciting. May 22 16:52:11 mickeyl: pong May 22 16:52:20 samba won't be accessible, of course, because you removed the card where it lives. May 22 16:52:36 other than that, everything else is just as it was before. May 22 16:52:49 pb__: ok, then let's say i insert the card again, do i have to use ipkg-link ? May 22 16:53:28 depends on the application and on the tools you have available. May 22 16:53:40 holy cow, samba is 7M big May 22 16:53:58 if it was compiled to install in, say, /usr, and you don't have any intercept library available to rewrite the pathnames, yes, you probably have to use ipkg-link May 22 16:54:11 downloading the naslite src atm ... damn its slow May 22 16:54:11 CoreDump|home: that's why i was talking about ipkg-link ^_^ May 22 16:54:18 * pb__ go home now May 22 16:54:20 later all May 22 16:54:29 cu May 22 16:54:30 cya pb_ May 22 16:54:35 _ May 22 16:57:52 hmm there appears the be a range of commercial cifs servers May 22 16:59:52 CoreDump|home: build device, install samba and you have a 'commercial cifs server' May 22 17:00:08 err hmm May 22 17:44:54 clear May 22 17:45:22 CosmicPenguin: phew May 22 17:55:37 * Philippe is back (gone 01:37:03) May 22 17:59:31 I don't like the google icon today May 22 17:59:32 its ugly May 22 17:59:36 s/icon/banner/ May 22 18:00:04 the sherlock one? May 22 18:00:31 yeah May 22 18:05:48 hi reenoo May 22 18:06:11 hey woglinde May 22 18:06:14 evening all May 22 18:50:31 hi May 22 18:50:41 hi zecke May 22 18:51:13 hi zecke May 22 19:18:49 ~seen lamikr May 22 19:18:52 lamikr was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 23h 41m 21s ago, saying: 'koen: I did first pull to verify that there had not happened any new changes and then pushed immediately. I committed 7 changes in one push, and mickeys commit appeared in the between of those in cia-9.'. May 22 19:19:16 wow serverelements.com is slow for downloading their src .... i guess they dont want people to look at it May 22 19:19:45 at this rate it'll take another 48 hours May 22 19:19:52 its only 38 meg May 22 19:21:33 what software is serverelements? May 22 19:21:57 naslite ... i want to see how they do a smb server off 1 floppy May 22 19:22:17 hm May 22 19:22:28 maybe with 1,7 mb floppy May 22 19:22:46 nad uclibc May 22 19:22:50 yup ... but thats better than the 8 meg samba May 22 19:23:00 yup it is uclibc May 22 19:23:07 nopam no cups support May 22 19:23:19 no smbclient May 22 19:23:23 I guess May 22 19:23:24 not really required May 22 19:23:44 its to help windows users access files on their Zs etc May 22 19:23:48 ade|desk: the most tricky part is to get a floppyƟ right? May 22 19:23:57 zecke *g* May 22 19:24:36 zecke: do you remember what project(s) did their own 07.10 muxer? May 22 19:27:34 koen: I have seen two projects (at least one was on berlios) May 22 19:27:53 okay the other did implement the Wavecom one, but with a good structure this shouldn't matter May 22 19:28:10 zecke: harald wants to have one for openezx May 22 19:28:46 http://developer.berlios.de/projects/gsmmux/ May 22 19:28:53 thanks May 22 19:28:55 wants/must May 22 19:29:15 did he ever try the 3gpp command to drop off the multiplexer :} May 22 19:30:57 he should try to get a Siemens Sheet ;) May 22 19:32:33 zecke do you know the dmb cell phones from LG and panasonic? May 22 19:32:53 no May 22 19:32:56 oh DMB? May 22 19:33:05 zecke: many sdl games don't work w/ gcc 4 May 22 19:33:09 s/work/compile/ May 22 19:33:16 mickeyl why? May 22 19:33:18 mickeyl: tell me something new ;) May 22 19:33:25 ok, didn't know May 22 19:33:32 woglinde: stricter compiler May 22 19:33:54 So far i'm not that excited with 4.x, seems that it mostly doesnt work May 22 19:35:00 gcc 4 is good, it just proves that some code ain't so good May 22 19:35:04 mickeyl hehe than they have to fix their code May 22 19:35:17 heh May 22 19:35:19 they'll give a damn May 22 19:35:25 most stuff is unmaintained May 22 19:35:35 either we do it or it won't get done May 22 19:35:40 mickeyl: some packages can be upgraded May 22 19:35:55 mickeyl: Joey Hess has produced some gcc4 patches May 22 19:36:09 zecke: who is this nice guy? May 22 19:36:22 mickeyl: Debian evangelist May 22 19:36:37 ah,good. May 22 20:14:10 * chouimat is away: BBQ ... and yes it's a day off !!! May 22 20:22:29 little fix to CUPS: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=767&action=diff May 22 20:22:47 is there any reason lppasswd needs to be installed SUID user lp on an OE system? May 22 20:25:04 Can I just set CFLAGS in local.conf if I wanted to optimize my build? I want to get every last bit of performance out of my collie. May 22 20:25:43 joshin you are gentoo handicaped? May 22 20:27:03 joshin: better set TARGET_CFLAGS May 22 20:27:15 joshin: but see conf/bitbake.conf May 22 20:27:18 aren't we maxed out on strongarm tuning? May 22 20:27:46 I strongly suspect going beyond -O2 will make it slower due to jffs2 or slow sd May 22 20:28:22 woglinde, :) Actually, I'm strongarm 1110 handicapped. Though I might try -OSuperRiceOptimizations May 22 20:29:32 it would be nice to eventually have something like the gentoo USE variable May 22 20:29:41 cbrake_: actually no May 22 20:29:49 cbrake_: try tracking down bugs with that May 22 20:30:14 koen: true, things are difficult without it. May 22 20:31:10 koen: how do you handle the case where you where you support mutiple variations of the same package. May 22 20:31:26 seperate .bbs most of the time May 22 20:31:29 koen: for example, I'd like to have cherokee w/o SSL, PCRE, etc. May 22 20:32:01 koen: ok, so just create a cherokee_small.bb or something like that. May 22 20:32:04 cbrake_: fakeroot do_install() in cups? May 22 20:32:19 cbrake_: cherokee-nossl_4.3.3.34.bb? May 22 20:33:16 looks at packages/bluez, we have dbus and nodbus versions May 22 20:33:56 koen: ok, I'll take a look May 22 20:38:15 cya May 22 20:40:04 koen: cups is now happy w/ "fakeroot do_install" -- thx, much better May 22 20:44:18 I just started a gent^H^H^H^H OE build using CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" May 22 20:44:50 TARGET_CFLAGS that is May 22 20:47:41 joshin: isn't that basically the default anyway? May 22 20:47:57 pb pssst May 22 20:48:31 woglinde: heh May 22 20:48:44 heh pb May 22 20:50:39 pb_: I didn't see the flags set anywhere. Looking at tune-strongarm.conf I only saw -march=arm4v & -mtune=xscale. Since my oebuildtest script finished before my grep for cflags did, I started the build. I'm sure I'm wasting my time. :) May 22 20:51:40 joshin: I fear you neglected zecke's advice to check conf/bitbake.conf May 22 20:52:17 Yep I did. I looked at bitbake/conf/bitbake.conf ;) May 22 20:52:31 Ah well. May 22 20:52:42 heh May 22 20:52:44 oh well May 22 20:53:50 BTW, my attempts with gcc4.1 have been mostly successful. I need to track down why lzo isn't building so that I can get Opie built. May 22 20:55:04 Machine boots, memory use is a little less according to 'free' but I haven't run any real benchmarks yet. May 22 20:57:11 cool May 22 21:05:45 yum yum where is all the fun May 22 21:05:59 with faulty IC hardware it seems May 22 21:08:53 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r4bea6558... 10/packages/cups/cups_1.1.23.bb: May 22 21:08:53 cups 1.1.23: add fakeroot before do_install May 22 21:08:53 - fixes problem where do_install can not chown files May 22 21:23:39 can someone check their 'packages/obexftp/files folder and se if there is a patch names iconv there? Mine is missing, and obexftp needs it to compile May 22 21:25:55 there isn't May 22 21:26:38 and look in the files *.bb in the parent folder. You will see that it is in the file. May 22 21:26:55 can i just skip the iconv line in the obexftp.bb files? May 22 21:26:59 sorry May 22 21:27:03 mea culpa May 22 21:27:04 * mickeyl fixes May 22 21:27:59 do you fix it now mickeyl ? Can i just do a monotone update? May 22 21:28:13 update only updates your repository May 22 21:28:16 pull && update May 22 21:28:25 better wait until CIAbot reports the fix here May 22 21:30:35 mickeyl: that's why I used two bk repos: one to commit from and a clean one to build from May 22 21:30:44 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r958f2734... 10/packages/obexftp/obexftp_0.20.bb: obexftp: remove bogus patch May 22 21:34:00 mickeyl: Thanks, now it compiles :-) May 22 21:34:27 heh May 22 21:34:28 i-hate-libtool.patch May 22 21:35:37 Ok, well it crashed again (opie-image) It comlains that non of the opie 1.2.2 packages are available. May 22 21:35:56 that's because 1.2.2 hasn't been released yet May 22 21:36:01 it should use the cvs packages May 22 21:36:50 Yes it does. May 22 21:46:31 hey likewise May 22 21:47:17 hi likewise May 22 21:47:23 koen: hi May 22 21:47:27 woglinde: hi 2 u 2 May 22 21:49:10 * likewise is here for a reason; learning the inner voodoo of OE. The question for today is: What exactly should appear in the IPKG_INSTALL in an xxx-image.bb? I have DEPENDS = "foobar freetype" but IPKG_INSTALL = "foobar libfreetype6". May 22 21:49:59 * likewise questions if he should read the Package file in order to create the IPGK_INSTALL list? May 22 21:50:16 likewise: you probably should May 22 21:50:27 IPKG_INSTALL takes package names May 22 21:51:00 DEPENDS takes .bb names May 22 21:51:16 koen: Yes, but everything I built before that comes from org.openembedded.../*packages*/ so I was trying to the use the *.bb names, even in IPKG_INSTALL. May 22 21:51:25 s/that// May 22 21:51:48 that mostly works May 22 21:51:58 koen: except for some packages, right? May 22 21:52:14 koen: those who are split up (such as -dev). May 22 21:52:23 most of the times it isn't a problem since you don't put libraries in IPKG_INSTALL May 22 21:52:35 since they get pulled in via their dependees May 22 21:53:22 koen: ah nice. Thing is, I hadn't finished any application depending on my library tree. May 22 21:54:04 koen: Embedded developers usually build a "base" root filesystem which they fix, *then* start developing applications. May 22 21:54:18 I was trying to do the first thing here :-) May 22 21:54:41 flash image, ipkg install libfreetype6? May 22 21:54:54 I'm too pragmatic for stuff like that May 22 21:56:48 koen: good habit, I am too influenced by build systems like buildroot and uclinux. May 22 22:01:06 heh, whose clever idea was it to set PR in libmatchbox.inc? May 22 22:17:21 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra883588d... 10/packages/libeventdb/libeventdb_0.30.bb: libeventdb: add 0.30, which bumps SO_VERSION because of API changes May 22 23:22:50 * Philippe is away: visual contact - melancholic dreams May 22 23:50:06 zzz May 23 00:33:55 i just entered bitbake gnutls, and now it's emerging 2million locales May 23 00:38:24 * chouimat is back. May 23 04:30:22 ~tim PDT May 23 04:31:18 ~time PDT May 23 04:32:56 mithro: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_US-CA.aspx May 23 04:33:13 it closed ~4 hours ago May 23 04:33:25 5r May 23 04:33:31 09:48:24 PM May 23 04:33:40 9:46 didn't seem right May 23 04:41:17 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcd46d30f... 10/packages/libgpevtype/libgpevtype_0.17.bb: libgpevtype: update to 0.17 May 23 05:00:39 "Most X applications ignore this visual since it is not useful to them; however some applications mistakenly try to use it, which will cause them to fail. An environment variable, XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS, was added to the X11 library to hide this visual from applications that mistakenly try to use it. If an application fails only when the Composite is enabled, try setting this environment variable before starting the application" May 23 06:49:48 lo May 23 06:55:01 hi May 23 06:55:19 how can i configure() a package dependant on ARCH ? May 23 06:55:47 i need to add a configure additional configure switch dependant on the ARCH type May 23 06:58:48 use the functions May 23 07:03:38 +# Compatability for the rare systems not using or having SYSV May 23 07:03:38 +python () { May 23 07:03:38 + if bb.data.getVar('HOST_NONSYSV', d, True) and bb.data.getVar('HOST_NONSYSV', d, True) != '0': May 23 07:03:38 + bb.data.setVar('EXTRA_OECONF', ' --with-ipc=tcp --program-prefix= ', d) May 23 07:03:38 +} May 23 07:04:12 is an example matching a flag May 23 07:08:33 hmm ok .. or do you know why glibc-2.3.5cvs will break for i386 ?? i was thinking to disable pthreads as this seems tobe the error May 23 07:09:29 rob_w, in fact, i've tried with and without pthreads, for me it fails :( May 23 07:09:40 hmm May 23 07:10:02 had no time to investigate it... May 23 07:12:15 ixoth, did you try any other version ? May 23 07:12:35 of OE or glibc? May 23 07:12:36 did you diable all the arm/pxa patches? May 23 07:12:41 disable* May 23 07:13:07 had no time yet to play with patches, but maybe I'll do it now :) May 23 07:19:07 emte, not conciously May 23 07:20:54 rob_w, i386? try adding... umm... --without-tls if i remember correctly, to the EXTRA_OECONF for glibc and see if that helps May 23 07:20:58 * kergoth kicks his memory May 23 07:21:19 --without-tls didn't work for me :( May 23 07:22:00 basicly the error looks like this : pthread.c:(.text+0x91b): undefined reference to `_errno' May 23 07:22:00 May 23 07:22:10 the same with me... May 23 07:22:19 maybe it shouldnt be a big thing to tell pthread about errno.h , right ? May 23 07:53:27 morning kergoth May 23 07:55:43 morning May 23 08:16:08 hey hrw|work May 23 08:16:47 hi koen May 23 08:16:53 http://www.youtube.com/profile_play_list?user=DiggUser May 23 08:22:10 debian release 2.4.18 with security patches May 23 08:29:29 Khi. May 23 08:29:44 umm hi even. May 23 08:35:27 hi Olivier May 23 08:35:44 rob_w: here's it... the problem with long descriptions... May 23 08:35:58 http://sources.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=674 May 23 08:37:22 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/05/23/my-first-linux-26-kernel-patch-accepted/ May 23 08:37:54 my first kernel patch was to remove the word 'ROM' :) May 23 08:38:06 koen: remember that May 23 08:40:24 morning May 23 08:40:39 hey mickey|office May 23 08:40:45 how's the phone doing? May 23 08:41:26 it doesn't boot custom kernels :/ May 23 08:42:10 looks like i have one of the models where the bootldr/kernel handover is not known May 23 08:42:22 which sucks a bit May 23 08:42:34 that's crap indeed May 23 08:42:47 i hope harald will come up with some ideas May 23 08:43:06 i might try flashing a stock 2.4 to see if at least the usb transfer works May 23 08:44:10 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r4af0b1bc... 10/packages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): May 23 08:44:10 We need more python applications... add pyfits 1.0.1 and pyraf 1.2.1: May 23 08:44:10 PyFITS provides an interface to FITS formatted files under the Python scripting language and PyRAF, the Python-based interface to IRAF. It is useful May 23 08:44:10 both for interactive data analysis and for writing analysis scripts in Python using FITS files as either input or output. PyFITS is a development May 23 08:44:12 project of the Science Software Branch at the Space Telescope Science Institute. May 23 08:44:59 do people do a lot of astronomical data analysis on handheld devices? :-) May 23 08:45:17 mickey|office: can you push that into .oz354x too? May 23 08:45:39 probably space telescope is an embedded device :) May 23 08:46:01 hrw|work: yep May 23 08:46:12 njs: people run a full blown gentoo on them, so nothing surprises me anymore May 23 08:46:16 while I know what "embedded" means, this still conjures up a pleasing image of someone carrying around a 30-meter mirror in their pocket. May 23 08:46:50 njs: I run monotone on my handheld :) May 23 08:47:07 koen: oh, well, naturally. don't leave home without it. May 23 08:47:58 koen: the next time a nasty worm gets loose from some TV show and eats all the data on every computer connected to the internet, you'll be glad you had a project backup in your pocket! May 23 08:48:01 heh, how many years does emerge -Dupv world take on, say, tosa? May 23 08:48:08 * hrw|work will push another patch to netdev May 23 08:49:30 hi mickey|office May 23 08:51:38 hi pb_ May 23 08:52:18 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf3fea565... 10/packages/puzzles/puzzles_r6712.bb: puzzles: added r6712 - fetching from SVN May 23 08:53:29 someone know who maintain pcnet_cs driver? May 23 09:00:37 hello May 23 09:01:23 tried to do something usefull with oe but failed at start ;) May 23 09:02:23 anyne knows why it didnt build a crosscompiler by itself or didnt use the external toolchain? May 23 09:02:52 you realize you gave no information yet? May 23 09:02:55 some more info follows... May 23 09:03:00 aha May 23 09:03:03 local.conf >>> MACHINE = "h3600"; TARGET_ARCH = "arm"; TARGET_OS = "linux"; DISTRO = "familiar-unstable"; May 23 09:03:11 branch .dev May 23 09:03:20 now pastebin the log. May 23 09:03:23 ~pastebin May 23 09:03:25 from memory, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com May 23 09:03:26 bitbake ncurses >>> builds quilt-native, gnu-config-native, automake-native, autoconf-native, libtool-native, ncurses-native ... then ncurses-5.4-r8 when it crashes May 23 09:03:42 pastebin log May 23 09:03:47 mickey|office: bitbake -i command ; pastelog May 23 09:03:48 :) May 23 09:04:04 koen: righto. ~praise the shell May 23 09:04:18 we might have an auto-upload on failure eventually ;) May 23 09:05:10 ixoth, so was that a fix in sight ? May 23 09:05:14 mickey|office: zecke and I are in favour of auto-paypal on successull builds May 23 09:05:25 YES! :D May 23 09:07:59 well, I added something to my local.conf May 23 09:08:17 something like GLIBC_EXTRA_OECONF='--without-thread' May 23 09:08:33 and now it builds, and still compiles glibc :) May 23 09:08:58 s/--without-thread/--without-__thread/g May 23 09:09:29 JustinP: you're around ? May 23 09:10:08 ggilbert_: ping. could you fix the bugtracker please? May 23 09:12:25 anyone using e-'s image ? May 23 09:12:50 still no gcc release May 23 09:14:48 ok... http://pastebin.com/732680 May 23 09:20:36 there is no arm-linux-gcc or anything in path atm but as i've read oe should build them, right? May 23 09:22:30 hey May 23 09:22:31 if it didn't build a compile before ncurses then dependency handling is broken May 23 09:22:31 yo zecke May 23 09:22:37 or you have ASSUME_PROVIDED used anywhere May 23 09:22:46 you are using bitbake 1.4.x May 23 09:22:46 ? May 23 09:23:05 hi ze May 23 09:23:07 cke May 23 09:23:11 mickey|office: I have finally signed in for my first pre-diploma exam :} May 23 09:23:17 yes! May 23 09:23:33 point of no return May 23 09:23:48 rob_w: glibc build ok... let's see how it works further. May 23 09:24:02 gcc 3.3.6, bitbake 1.4.0 monotone 0.25 May 23 09:24:42 no ASSUME_PROVIDED in local.conf May 23 09:24:48 frg: show us a complete run of bitbake -D -D -D ncurses May 23 09:24:54 (pastebin, of course) May 23 09:25:00 ok :) May 23 09:26:43 mickey|office: hehe, I'm getting the haskell king ;) May 23 09:27:03 mickey|office: and AlpII was lame... I think I have a fair chanche passing ;) May 23 09:27:34 mickey|office: and you are budy writing? May 23 09:27:45 mickey|office: iirc bitbake 1.4 had the ncurses bug May 23 09:28:08 mickey|office: let's agree on making people use >1.4.2 before debugging problems May 23 09:29:21 mickey|office: can opie be changed to support 'keyboard OK button' as default action for window 'OK' button? like it was under 2.4.. May 23 09:29:23 it is 670kB ... you still want to see it? May 23 09:29:32 koen: http://isnoop.net/blog/2006/05/20/macsaber-turn-your-mac-into-a-jedi-weapon/ May 23 09:30:00 zecke: yeah, I saw that :) May 23 09:32:26 frg: upgrade to bitbake 1.4.2 or 1.4.2, remove /tmp and try again May 23 09:32:39 zecke: yes, kind of writing here.... May 23 09:33:07 zecke: did you find the right monotone db for the docs yet? May 23 09:33:39 koen: no but that is deu not searching them ;) May 23 09:33:46 koen: I will push everything i have ;) May 23 09:34:18 koen: I should look into mtn rdiff monotone.vanille.de org.openembedded.doc May 23 09:34:48 'monotone sync monotone.vanille.de org.openembedded.documentation' May 23 09:35:38 koen: I want to see the diff against a remote server first ;) May 23 09:35:43 koen: let me hack mtn ;) May 23 09:36:02 ok koen ... maybe it wasnt wise to emerge bitbaker... i'll just download it, the 1.4.2 version May 23 09:36:21 frg: there is no ebuild for 1.4.2 yet? May 23 09:36:31 * koen refrains from making comments about gentoo being outdated May 23 09:36:56 not in my portage May 23 09:37:22 synced 3 weeks ago or so... May 23 09:37:47 just follow the GettingStarted guide an you'll be allright May 23 09:38:28 monotone pull localhost org.openembedded.dev May 23 09:38:31 I love firewalls May 23 09:39:47 koen: one rev left this ibook May 23 09:39:53 the most expensive xterm ever May 23 09:40:04 you mean i shall do this -> svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.4 bitbake May 23 09:40:41 03freyther 07org.oe.documentation * r1425bc04... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: May 23 09:40:41 usermanual/usermanual.xml: May 23 09:40:41 -Fix some spelling and grammar issues on how to get May 23 09:40:41 BitBake. Create some new ones... May 23 09:40:41 -Compare OpenEmbedded to crosstool and buildroot a bit May 23 09:41:02 frg: either this, or use a released version from developer.berlios.de/projects/bitbake May 23 09:41:44 zecke: thanks May 23 09:41:49 * koen make xhtml May 23 09:41:59 ok, getting from berlios May 23 09:43:34 koen: dot syntax or documenting requirements, what do you prefer? May 23 09:43:50 zecke: dot support for OE? May 23 09:43:59 koen: bitbake May 23 09:44:10 dot support, without doubt May 23 09:44:31 we could sell the graphs of bitbake world as wall posters :) May 23 09:45:45 heh May 23 09:46:07 woglinde: hey May 23 09:46:08 hey woglinde May 23 09:46:38 hm who wants to make a oe live-cd? May 23 09:47:07 woglinde: bitbake opie-livecd May 23 09:47:15 *g* May 23 09:47:23 woglinde: there's support for vwmare images in the bugtracker May 23 09:47:31 (if only it were up right now) May 23 09:48:19 btw, is this conf ok for building opie for h3600 ? http://oe.pastebin.com/732694 May 23 09:48:40 mickey|office: how long will your uni mail address continue to work? May 23 09:50:14 koen: the sysadmin told me everything will be ok until I have actually completely left. Which means at least until Winter May 23 09:50:33 the same goes for *.vanille.de May 23 09:51:14 so we have some months left to work on the transition, but not endlessly May 23 09:52:42 hmm.... so what about that local.conf? May 23 09:52:53 Updated to revision 516. May 23 09:52:53 Killed by signal 15. May 23 09:53:23 frg: pastebin is timing out here May 23 09:53:32 frg should be okay May 23 09:53:37 if you really want familar May 23 09:53:37 works slowly for me too May 23 09:53:39 hrw|work: i have no idea what caused that change, to be honest May 23 09:53:44 hrw|work: if i would know, we could fix... May 23 09:53:55 why shouldnt i want familiar? ^^ May 23 09:54:02 frg: INHERIT = "package_ipk" can be removed May 23 09:54:09 mickey|office: ok May 23 09:54:16 frg: what is the error now? May 23 09:54:19 zecke: docbook2pdf usermanual.xml works again May 23 09:54:36 woglinde: lunch? May 23 09:54:39 im about to run it... brb May 23 09:54:54 zecke when? May 23 09:55:00 woglinde: now? May 23 09:55:07 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * ra6290875... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual/usermanual.xml: remove non-SGML char May 23 09:56:23 zecke nope May 23 09:56:44 have to wait an other hour May 23 09:56:56 woglinde: Curry at 1h? May 23 09:57:13 * koen zecke http://oe.linuxtogo.org/users-manual May 23 09:58:42 /me != /msg May 23 09:58:49 /me != msg me May 23 09:58:50 ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 23 10:00:00 2006