**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 31 02:59:57 2006 May 31 05:45:17 http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7070519787.html May 31 05:50:40 <_law_> morning koen May 31 05:52:06 hey _law_ May 31 05:55:05 morning all ! May 31 05:57:16 <_law_> koen, i think latest libeventdb doesnt work with gpe-calendar 0.72 May 31 06:05:51 _law_: correct May 31 06:19:45 hrm. looking for an embedded linux platform supporting usb host.. any suggestions? looking at gumstix now because of small form factor, but i'll need to use compact flash usb host card.. and only supports up to usb 1.1 May 31 06:20:29 try the new at91 or ep93xx stuff May 31 06:20:47 and most ixp hw comes with usb as well May 31 06:20:54 nslu2 or loft May 31 06:25:33 heh, thanks. that's a lot of acronyms, time for some googling May 31 06:26:18 hi May 31 06:26:23 qemu 0.8.1 released May 31 06:27:00 TheMasterMind1: you live in US? May 31 06:27:57 yea May 31 06:28:39 so I probably have a small business to you - need someone in US to get and repost package to me May 31 06:29:40 what sort of package? May 31 06:29:49 two Z May 31 06:30:02 I'll give details in query May 31 06:33:13 grrr May 31 06:33:17 ~lart utwente May 31 06:33:17 * ibot duct-tapes utwente to the floor and drools on him May 31 06:33:25 "we are opened from 12.30 to 16.00" May 31 06:33:38 the main administration May 31 06:34:00 hey zecke May 31 06:34:08 hey May 31 06:34:13 *tired* May 31 06:34:18 hey mickeyl May 31 06:34:19 it's much too early for me May 31 06:34:21 hi zecke mickeyl May 31 06:34:27 couldn't sleep well :/ May 31 06:34:28 morning guys May 31 06:34:30 mickeyl: and you even wrote mail May 31 06:34:34 mickeyl: happens May 31 06:34:36 mickeyl: sounds familiar May 31 06:34:40 mickeyl: I'm at uni already :} May 31 06:34:53 zecke: i couldn't stand still. i had to at least raise my voice. May 31 06:34:55 zecke: I already returned from uni :/ May 31 06:35:07 zecke: that's my student! good boy :) May 31 06:36:13 mickeyl: lol, it three day in a row starting at 8:15h May 31 06:36:20 mickeyl: physically really tough :} May 31 06:36:38 zecke: sounds like you need to go to bed a bit earlier? how many h do you need per night? May 31 06:36:47 mickeyl: plenty ;) May 31 06:37:08 mickeyl: every three days I have to sleep during the day :} May 31 06:40:07 * koen spots the delivery van May 31 06:40:21 koen: phone? May 31 06:40:25 * mickeyl crosses fingers May 31 06:40:28 we have to find 3rd mad man who will work on poodle... May 31 06:40:30 no, tripod May 31 06:40:51 I ordered the phone right before all holidays in the UK May 31 06:41:12 it'll probably arrive when I'm on the plane or something May 31 06:41:32 hrw: you could keep it until we meet in Berlin later this year and then I'd take it for a while May 31 06:42:35 Berlin May 31 06:42:42 Bärlin May 31 06:43:19 ko May 31 06:44:03 any good resources for popular single board platforms, looking up at and ep93 chip info isn't taking me vey far May 31 06:45:09 TheMasterMind1: www.glomationinc.com or embeddedarm.com May 31 06:55:58 hmm.. time to start going to work.. May 31 06:56:57 any news about 3.5.4.1 release? :) May 31 06:57:09 yes May 31 06:57:16 your in the wrong channel to ask May 31 06:57:20 :) May 31 06:57:22 sorry.. May 31 06:57:31 bonjour May 31 06:58:30 time for sleep before i throw my board out the window May 31 06:58:41 heh May 31 06:58:48 emte: I have wrote it (without checking channel) when I had seen hrw message.. May 31 06:59:31 JaMa: tested rc4? May 31 07:06:00 hrw: no still on rc2 because when I have read "Please test it so 3.5.4.1 will be released at end of week." on Friday, and it seems useless to install it for me, because on Friday evening I went to visit parents for whole weekend May 31 07:07:07 mickeyl: python stuff in OE is awesome - I never did any python packaging and now added one simple recipe and it is packaged. May 31 07:07:22 inherit distutils? May 31 07:07:37 yep May 31 07:07:45 that indeed is very nice May 31 07:09:18 hrw: thanks :) May 31 07:09:33 you won't believe how hard it was May 31 07:09:56 the final solution patch is easy... but finding it took me some months :) May 31 07:10:28 mickeyl: and thx to your work we can add python stuff in fast and easy way May 31 07:10:44 btw, white OE shirts with a ~8x8cm logo are approx 10 euros a piece May 31 07:10:59 excellent. do you have a URL yet? May 31 07:11:17 nope, just a quote from the printer across the street May 31 07:11:23 "m-a a-i nvidia" cryptic is not it? May 31 07:12:09 koen: I will take two XL/XXL ones (if they are good quality) May 31 07:12:38 mickeyl: they did print this shirt before: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/albums/bordeaux2004/P7020812.sized.jpg May 31 07:12:40 hehe, gotta love module-assistant May 31 07:12:55 hrw: I always get the s May 31 07:12:57 urghs May 31 07:13:00 heh May 31 07:13:05 kergoth: what's that? May 31 07:13:10 hrw: I always get the thicker, non transparent shirts May 31 07:13:12 hey kergoth May 31 07:13:23 mickeyl: debian util to build modules out-of-kernel ones May 31 07:13:28 ah May 31 07:13:53 ok. I go to work and then will add some python stuff probably May 31 07:13:58 cool! :) May 31 07:14:09 * mickeyl -> shower and then Uni as well May 31 07:14:21 cu May 31 07:14:34 * koen -> shower, waiting for parcel and -> uni May 31 07:14:36 bbl May 31 07:19:01 03noodles 07org.oe.dev * rabee8cf5... 10/conf/machine/amsdelta.conf: amsdelta: Limit size of ext2 images to 8M so we can use them as an initrd. May 31 07:30:43 morning May 31 07:31:01 emte: you just take a pizza, put a little batter on it and chuck it into a deep fat frier May 31 07:32:33 koen: I will wear OE t-shirt to local lug :-) May 31 07:34:36 hi May 31 07:37:32 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/OE-logo.png <- the logo May 31 07:39:00 I raised the letter above the guidelines, but it doesn't look right May 31 07:39:18 and gray on lightblue doesn't have enough contract for printing... May 31 07:40:54 if you want to make modifications: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/OE-logo.svg May 31 07:41:07 (or contrib/oe.svg) May 31 07:48:28 looks like two boobs May 31 07:49:05 heh May 31 07:49:14 is that positive or negative? May 31 07:50:40 <_law_> koen, which version of libeventdb, gpe-calendar should i use? May 31 07:51:02 _law_: the version before 0.30 May 31 07:51:18 koen: positive as long as they are big :-) May 31 08:02:04 hi schurig May 31 08:02:08 hrw|work: hi! May 31 08:02:45 <_law_> koen, and gpe-calendar 0.72 ? May 31 08:04:42 _law_: yes May 31 08:12:10 ya, what XorA said May 31 08:15:30 ljp: of course that calls for a DD spaced OE logo on a womens shirt :-) May 31 08:21:56 hi folks! any idea when plugging in a headphone will be detected on the C3000? May 31 08:22:29 RP: HRW told me to ask you ;-) May 31 08:23:02 but RP is not here now May 31 08:23:04 ~seen rp May 31 08:23:11 rp is currently on #gpe #oe #openzaurus #handhelds.org. Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 9h 10m 13s, last said: ''night all'. May 31 08:23:21 ah, off for a good night sleep May 31 08:23:34 well, I'll hang around here, see if he answers somewhere today. May 31 08:23:47 it's not like someone will die if the question isn't answered in like a minute. May 31 08:23:53 sybren: hi May 31 08:24:09 sybren: Headphone detection should already be detected on the C3000? May 31 08:24:46 well, last time I checked, when I plugged in a headphone, the speaker was still used, and no sound from the headphone May 31 08:25:09 sybren: Was this with OZ? May 31 08:25:34 RP: hey May 31 08:25:41 sybren: We definetly have all the code in place and it should work... May 31 08:25:43 hi zecke May 31 08:25:55 RP: yup May 31 08:26:10 not sure if it was rc2 or rc4 though, I'll check again - for sure with rc4 May 31 08:26:29 nope, doesn't work May 31 08:27:21 sybren: It used to work - I have a C3000. I've not tested the recent rc kernels though May 31 08:27:53 should I file a bug in the OE bugtracker? May 31 08:29:32 I guess so :-/ May 31 08:31:36 RP: under which component? May 31 08:31:44 koen: gimp fails with a /usr/include :-) Ive finally seen it in action May 31 08:31:55 XorA: heh May 31 08:32:05 XorA: I thought I sedded out all that stuff May 31 08:35:40 sybren: oe/oz 3.5.4.1 May 31 08:37:22 hrw|work: the component is 'build' or 'distribution'. I guessed 'distribution' May 31 08:37:55 koen: /usr/include/freetype2 May 31 08:38:05 XorA: aha May 31 08:38:09 stupid gimp May 31 08:39:33 koen: actually it hase both -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include May 31 08:39:41 a whole new breakage from older ones May 31 08:43:58 * hrw|work started build on axp1700+.... May 31 08:45:01 koen: its libwmf-config being pulled from host and stupid configure script has no --without-wmf May 31 08:45:28 sounds like a worthy addition to EXTRA_OECONF May 31 08:46:07 hi TheMasterMind1 May 31 08:46:49 koen: no I mean configure doesnt have that arg, wmf is always checked for, bloody buggy autoconf May 31 08:53:49 that's hardly autoconf's fault May 31 08:54:06 pb__: Im blaiming the scripts, not autoconf itself May 31 08:54:16 ah May 31 08:54:28 "bloody buggy autoconf" sounded rather like you thought autoconf was, well, bloody and buggy May 31 08:55:16 pb__: the good thing is probably a one line change in configure.in will fix it, so autoconf itself is cool May 31 08:56:26 pb__: I would partially blame autoconf as well May 31 08:56:32 pb__: the usage of m4 didn't pay off ;) May 31 08:57:06 m4 is a cool language, quite effective for shell script generation May 31 08:57:14 most of the problems don't stem from its use May 31 08:57:32 hehe May 31 08:57:46 okay it is not autoconf, not m4 May 31 08:58:05 why is it so eady to write fucked up files used by autoconf? May 31 08:59:43 koen: http://www.xora.org.uk/oe-fun.svg May 31 09:01:18 :) May 31 09:01:22 nice May 31 09:02:45 * XorA wishes he had some talent May 31 09:10:14 hey liam May 31 09:11:13 hi Liam May 31 09:12:16 hey liam May 31 09:25:22 do we have postgresql in OE? May 31 09:32:54 hrw|work: not yet May 31 09:32:58 ok May 31 09:33:07 hrw|work: guylhem said he'd do a .bb for ot May 31 09:35:21 ot? May 31 09:36:05 s/ot/it/ May 31 09:36:46 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r4496f5be... 10/packages/gimp/ (files/configure-libwmf.patch gimp_2.3.8.bb): May 31 09:36:46 gimp_2.3.8.bb : fix configure.in so it is possible to disable libwmf May 31 09:36:46 with a --without-libwmf argument. May 31 09:45:20 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r108bf500... 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: May 31 09:45:20 classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: slightly better implementation May 31 09:45:20 * doesn't suffer from relocation issues May 31 09:45:20 * assumes you need ipkg and ipkg-utils on your host May 31 09:46:07 bleh May 31 09:46:11 s/need/have/ May 31 09:47:02 koen: so first need to set machine=native, build ipkg, ipkg-utils and then move machine to target? May 31 09:47:45 bitbake ipkg-native ipkg-utils-native and copy ipkg* and libipkg* May 31 09:48:24 mickey|bbl: ping May 31 09:48:58 hrw|work: http://oe.pastebin.com/748720 May 31 09:49:31 deploy/pstage/binutils-cross_2.16.91.0.7_armv5te.ipk - this arch is correct? May 31 09:49:48 that's what I'm wondering as well May 31 09:49:58 it's using $PACKAGE_ARCH May 31 09:52:45 koen: check your email May 31 09:54:09 RP: I got your email from this morning May 31 09:54:17 or did you send a new mail? May 31 09:54:21 koen: a new one May 31 09:54:26 03noodles 07org.oe.dev * r45908085... 10/packages/udev/files/amsdelta/mount.blacklist: udev: Add mount blacklist for amsdelta. May 31 09:54:31 RP: ah May 31 09:54:40 fetchmail was being slow May 31 09:56:35 heh May 31 10:03:06 morning all May 31 10:03:50 hrw|work: Thanks for the bl fix May 31 10:05:18 lardman|work: np May 31 10:05:42 ~lart my ADSL May 31 10:05:42 * ibot smacks my ADSL up side the head with a clue-by-4 May 31 10:09:44 koen: thanks for the botmail May 31 10:12:58 ade|desk: we had apache hiding .inc files for drupal May 31 10:13:24 so we unhid them for the repo subdir :) May 31 10:14:25 groovy May 31 10:14:53 grrrr May 31 10:15:12 ~lart cross/ and staging/ split May 31 10:15:12 * ibot changes cross/ and staging/ split's permissions to 0777 and tells the world May 31 10:15:16 i find using the /repo damn useful for a quick comp to my wip versions May 31 10:15:19 ~lart my amd64 for dieing May 31 10:15:20 * ibot calls my amd64 on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for dieing May 31 10:15:40 ~lart atexit() calls May 31 10:15:41 * ibot runs at atexit() calls with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut May 31 10:18:49 ~lart glibc for needing access to headers in do_stage() May 31 10:18:49 * ibot steals glibc's mojo for needing access to headers in do_stage() May 31 10:19:34 spot the problem: http://oe.pastebin.com/748773 May 31 10:21:48 koen: it doesn't look like muesli? May 31 10:21:58 nope May 31 10:22:10 I ate a muesli bar this morning May 31 10:22:49 zecke: check the size and arch of deploy/pstage/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.1_armv5te.ipk May 31 10:23:44 IMHO a compiler should not be greater than 4k May 31 10:24:03 lol May 31 10:24:13 and binutils too May 31 10:24:56 looks like you have ar'ed an empty directory May 31 10:25:15 yeah May 31 10:25:24 since I'm looking at staging/, not cross/ May 31 10:26:18 * koen wonders May 31 10:26:40 I could look at the PN and distinguish between -native, -cross and the rest May 31 10:28:16 koen: you have native.bbclass for it and cross.bbclass May 31 10:28:30 koen: they are better then PN May 31 10:28:35 hmmm May 31 10:28:50 inherits('native') May 31 10:29:17 koen: umbaumba-specially-for-koen_1.1.bb will inherit native and you will not even notice when look at PN May 31 10:40:33 hi cbrake May 31 10:44:07 koen: stylus moving works in epdfview 0.1.4 May 31 10:44:15 XorA_: I know May 31 10:44:20 a bit slow, but it works May 31 10:44:44 koen: it just jittered around like mad in 0.1.3 May 31 10:45:48 koen: pity page pre-rendering fscks everything up :-( May 31 10:46:30 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * rd1bee30b... 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: add BUGS section May 31 10:47:33 oh my life not letting koen post to the oe ml ...madness May 31 10:48:51 yeah May 31 10:49:11 any comment I want to make will result in someone invoking godwins law May 31 10:49:18 so I won't May 31 10:51:18 ~godwin May 31 10:51:24 Adolph Hitler has been mentioned, the plonkings may commence now. To plonk, /ignore foo all May 31 10:51:38 ah good, ibot knows May 31 10:52:33 oh balls !| checking whether autoconf works... no May 31 10:52:33 | configure: error: The installed version of autoconf does not work. May 31 10:53:02 debian etch strikes again :( May 31 10:54:11 yeah May 31 10:54:17 Debian rocks May 31 10:54:31 what version of autoconf does automake need ? May 31 10:54:43 zecke: you mean "sucks rocks"? May 31 10:54:43 Breakage is policy: Let us wait six month to include this version but then make sure it is deeply broken... May 31 10:58:57 note to self .... ignore self May 31 11:00:09 ade|desk: but then you'd have to ignore the note? May 31 11:00:46 i would from then on, but i can alway read the note once May 31 11:01:50 RP: the evaluation order matters May 31 11:03:08 new note, dont ignore note, was correct first time round May 31 11:03:21 grr May 31 11:04:21 hrw|afk: Good morning May 31 11:11:04 koen, zecke, check your email... May 31 11:12:53 gah May 31 11:13:01 now I have two rewrite rules clashing May 31 11:13:05 ~lart apache May 31 11:13:05 * ibot throws apache's poor little doggy off a cliff May 31 11:26:23 joshua_: new one? May 31 11:27:21 joshua_: I don't have any mails from you May 31 11:27:22 checked May 31 11:30:06 koen, whoops, t haht one didn't get to you. check again in a sec May 31 11:30:17 but what I was responding to (rp's message) was the important one May 31 11:31:14 ehm.. May 31 11:31:16 "Turn over the page of your life with a small dick, and start a new on" May 31 11:31:20 that's not the one, right? May 31 11:31:39 that's most certainly not the one. May 31 11:31:47 * joshua_ makes sure his cursor is n ot positioned over any spam May 31 11:32:37 ah, got it May 31 11:33:24 i still don't get what handhelds.org has to do with familiar May 31 11:33:45 fam is hosted there May 31 11:33:51 and..? May 31 11:34:09 if I say "oz sucks" will sf.net ban me? May 31 11:34:16 oz sucks May 31 11:34:28 koen: well quite simple: Nobody inside or even outside of hh.org should get insulted May 31 11:34:49 koen: well oz sucks, is your opinion... and no insult May 31 11:35:06 koen: e.g. your QtE rants insult lorn and you should consider stopping that May 31 11:35:12 koen: it is not easy, but :) May 31 11:35:12 everything I say or write is my opinion May 31 11:35:32 re May 31 11:35:41 hrw|work: wb May 31 11:35:42 koen: right, but as a community we should not try to insult each other May 31 11:35:54 right May 31 11:36:01 few people from co-company leaves tomorrow and they got pizza for everyone... I cannot move May 31 11:36:10 NOTE: package python-imaging-1.1.5-r0: task do_build: completed May 31 11:36:15 koen: Its not opinion if it contradicts facts May 31 11:36:42 hehe May 31 11:36:46 * zecke needs to work May 31 11:37:08 well, the world was flat a few hundreds years ago according to 'facts' May 31 11:37:39 koen: other option is to moderate OE.... May 31 11:37:50 e pur si muove May 31 11:38:35 I suspect that this i s one of the cases where you just need to suck it up and not say anything further about familiar/etc... facts or opinion, it's not acceptible right now. May 31 11:38:41 maybe at some point in the future. May 31 11:39:08 if I were in your shoes, I would not like it either, but that is how it works right now. May 31 11:39:48 Right. Its not ideal, but this is the only way forward May 31 11:39:54 joshua_: Image you say "bootldr sucks, everyone is working on LAB now" and suddenly you get banned May 31 11:40:03 imagine* May 31 11:40:17 koen, you can argue with me all you want, but it will not change anything May 31 11:40:33 it won't indeed May 31 11:41:04 I am not in control of this right now. just deal with this for the next few months, and we will reevaluate later once everything has calmed down. May 31 11:41:15 sound fair? May 31 11:41:25 heh May 31 11:41:53 koen: The equivalent is me saying "nobody puts any effort into developing or cares about OE apart from Openedhand" May 31 11:42:10 koen: If I said that, would I expect some protests? :) May 31 11:43:00 RP: not really May 31 11:43:02 ;) May 31 11:43:04 no, we'll all hire oh to do the work ;) May 31 11:43:18 heh May 31 11:43:39 or we ban you from oe.org, disable your key and threaten with lawyers May 31 11:43:40 hmmm May 31 11:43:49 I agree that the reaction was a little over the top. May 31 11:43:54 it's done with now, though. May 31 11:44:05 * ade|desk does the happy dance , autoconf from deb unstable works but etch doesn't May 31 11:44:19 I will leave this in rp's hands as I'm about to go to school here May 31 11:44:21 and 'accidentally' sending to addresses that are known to be not working May 31 11:44:28 ade|desk: in etch do 'bitbake -b autoconf-native.bb' and then build May 31 11:44:55 koen: stop, now, please May 31 11:45:17 hrw|work: dpkg -i autoconf_2.59.cvs.2006.05.25-1_all.deb works just as well May 31 11:45:36 ade|desk: sure - but before it was fscked May 31 11:46:08 indeed May 31 11:46:48 koen: lets see if a gcc 4.1.1 uclibc toolchain works better than 4.1.0 May 31 11:49:08 03noodles 07org.oe.dev * r73a040e1... 10/packages/pbltool/pbltool-native_0.2.bb: pbltool: Add pbltool, a serial port loader for the Amstrad Delta. May 31 11:50:10 ade|desk: .1 does wonders for the sh3 people May 31 11:50:42 i haven't looked at the changelog for .1 May 31 11:53:55 finally May 31 11:53:59 the parcel has arrived May 31 11:54:09 koen: new toy ? May 31 11:54:18 koen: a780? May 31 11:54:39 tripod May 31 11:54:59 was ist das? May 31 11:55:27 hrw|work: hehe May 31 11:55:55 ;D May 31 11:56:06 hrw|work: und wie geht es dir? May 31 11:56:12 zecke: ke? May 31 11:56:17 bruletta May 31 11:56:38 mithro: lol May 31 11:57:26 das is good, yah? May 31 11:57:37 hmmm, someone made a mistake May 31 11:57:48 they sent is as COD, but I didn't have to pay May 31 11:58:27 someone familiar with patching setup.py? May 31 11:58:32 he he May 31 11:58:41 hrw|work: mickey|bbl May 31 11:58:57 mithro: s/someone/someone here May 31 12:01:03 i've done a mynute amount May 31 12:13:03 wth? May 31 12:13:10 "free unique panorama function" May 31 12:13:16 on a xD card May 31 12:13:42 * koen tries to figure out how those cardboard thingies fit together May 31 12:14:11 panotools is better.. May 31 12:14:32 I use hugin May 31 12:14:40 too bad autopanosift doesn't work on osx May 31 12:14:58 and I know hugin is a frontedn for panotools :) May 31 12:15:14 koen: Yeah, I use hugin :) May 31 12:15:44 ooh, new projections in hugin May 31 12:15:46 * koen reads May 31 12:18:57 I should add it to OE when I get some time May 31 12:20:13 I've been meaning to code up a qt/e frontend to dcraw.. just haven't got around to it yet May 31 12:24:22 python-imaging recipe is not so clean as rest of python ones May 31 12:24:44 Depends: python-core, libjpeg62 (>= 6b), libz1 (>= 1.2.3), libgcc1 (>= 4.0.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.5+cvs20050627), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.10) May 31 12:27:03 is the amsdelta the Emailer phone thingy? May 31 12:27:36 XorA: yes May 31 12:27:40 cool May 31 12:27:42 E3 May 31 12:32:23 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r78f5cbf1... 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: more bugs May 31 12:33:01 hrw|work: does libgcc1 (>=4.0.2) mean gcc 4.0.2 must be used with PIL? May 31 12:33:31 cbrake: no - my local builddir used gcc 4.0.2 May 31 12:37:11 one barrier of red tape down May 31 12:37:23 now the next one May 31 12:37:34 * koen heads to the uni administation office *again* May 31 12:37:36 bbl May 31 12:43:17 hrw|work: phew :-) May 31 12:44:02 hrw|work: but, I should try 4.0.2, but probably not this week May 31 12:46:46 cbrake: maybe 4.1.1 rather? even Debian plan to switch to 4.1 May 31 12:50:19 * emte hopes there will be no more "on the behalf of" posts to the list ... May 31 12:51:15 cbrake: some changesets for you are going... May 31 12:55:34 aaargh May 31 12:55:58 they are going to print the proof of enrollment and snailmail it to me May 31 12:56:15 instead of handing it over May 31 12:56:35 crazy.. May 31 12:56:41 in canada they cant hand it to you May 31 12:56:59 it is not "certified" if you physically handle it May 31 12:57:15 ade|desk: how much is such a phone? May 31 12:57:30 schurig: 50 eur May 31 12:57:38 schurig: or less with discounts :) May 31 12:57:41 hrw|work: great -thanks! May 31 12:57:58 schurig: but only available in the uk, with a uk phone plug May 31 12:58:11 koen: wow, 50 EUR is a good price, the Grandstream Budgettones used to cost in this area :-) May 31 12:58:40 koen: and for the plug I'd use a soldering iron :-) May 31 12:59:22 schurig: I don't have POTS here, so I'd use usbnet to an asterisk thingie May 31 13:00:05 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf33cef32... 10/packages/cherokee/ (cherokee-nossl_0.5.3.bb cherokee_0.5.3.bb): cherokee: added 'nossl' version - WARNING: subpackages have same names as in SSL enabled one May 31 13:00:10 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * re2ce89da... 10/packages/python/ (python-formencode/setup.py.diff python-formencode_0.4.bb): python-formencode: added 0.4 May 31 13:00:14 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r70749231... 10/packages/python/python-sqlobject_0.7.0.bb: python-sqlobject: added 0.7.0 May 31 13:00:18 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r06c63890... 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-mysqldb: added 1.2.1_p2 May 31 13:00:23 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rfab9c072... 10/packages/python/ (python-imaging/path.patch python-imaging_1.1.5.bb): python-imaging: added 1.1.5 (also called PIL) May 31 13:01:43 cbrake: PIL is without tk support - we would need to have tk-native probably May 31 13:02:16 hrw|work: yeah, makes sense. May 31 13:03:13 XorA: fixed your record issue. Will send RP a new patch soon. May 31 13:04:26 cbrake: probably rewriting part of setup.py could resolve it - can look later if you need tk support in it May 31 13:08:30 lrg: ok, I as long as I can build the kernel before thurs you can see it in action May 31 13:09:03 hrw|work: this poor guy (PXA270) May 31 13:09:09 zecke: yep May 31 13:09:13 heh May 31 13:09:18 ~change 20 gpb to eur May 31 13:09:20 "but I have to crosscompile it" May 31 13:09:23 20.00 Dollar (ZWD) makes 0.000153515 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 31 13:09:36 ~change 20 gpb to eur May 31 13:09:37 ade|desk: s/gpb/gbp/ May 31 13:09:41 20.00 Dollar (ZWD) makes 0.000153515 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 31 13:09:41 hi lrg May 31 13:09:54 angole... May 31 13:10:04 hrw|work: good to hear that the euro is holding its value against the zwd May 31 13:10:24 pb__: yep May 31 13:10:40 ~lart me May 31 13:10:40 * ibot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that hrw|work is stuck to the floor May 31 13:11:02 ~change 20 gbp to eur May 31 13:11:07 20.00 Pound (GBP) makes 29.1477 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 31 13:11:26 schurig: 30 euros for the phone May 31 13:11:52 XorA: I'll try and get to RP asap then ;) May 31 13:11:58 hey pb__ May 31 13:13:22 hrw|work: no, definitely don't need tk support. No X in this system :-) May 31 13:13:39 cbrake: you run that on nslu? May 31 13:26:30 lrg: What was the issue? I guess I'll find out soon enough :) May 31 13:27:43 RP: Simple ommision of the audio DAPM route back to the ADC. The ADC was thus never on May 31 13:28:17 lrg: I thought we determined it was? Ah well, that'd do it :) May 31 13:34:42 morning May 31 13:36:10 sometimes I feel that 768M is small amount to work with ;) May 31 13:36:16 hi Marcos May 31 13:36:22 morning chouimat May 31 13:36:23 Hey! May 31 13:36:30 morning ppl May 31 13:36:52 damm, was busy trying to make gpe-calendar compile, thinking I was doing something wrong May 31 13:37:01 must start to trust my skills :) May 31 13:37:25 i left opie-image to compile during the night May 31 13:37:55 i had tried to build one a few days ago, but it didn't boot. May 31 13:38:16 i'm compiling it again after monotone update and will try to boot soon. May 31 13:38:40 i believe there is some imcompatibity over kernel config on h2200 May 31 13:39:22 Hrw, what files I must change to compile opie for desktop? May 31 13:39:27 just local.conf? May 31 13:39:39 thejapa: MACHINE=native May 31 13:39:50 ah May 31 13:40:21 i'm setting up cross-distcc from gentoo docs. :) May 31 13:40:36 thejapa: http://oe.pastebin.com/748998 is my native enviroment May 31 13:41:07 nice site May 31 13:41:50 thejapa: I last used that builddir months ago so does not know how much it is broken now May 31 13:43:57 ok, but it helps :) May 31 13:44:04 hrw|work: yes, running on NSLU2 May 31 13:44:20 hrw|work: working very well. The NLUS2 did a nice job with openslug. May 31 13:44:33 hrw|work: s/NSLU2/NSLU2 team/ May 31 13:45:17 cbrake: one day I will maybe add nslu2 to my small network group May 31 13:45:49 hrw|work: its a pretty versatile little machine -- you can do a lot w/ 2 USB and a network port. May 31 13:45:57 but it would need replacing 3 PSU with one for cablemodem/router/nslu - too much power bricks under desk May 31 13:46:11 * koen should get a POE switch May 31 13:46:52 koen: hi, dude! what machine you used for those screenshots? the screen is huge. May 31 13:47:50 thejapa: hx4700 May 31 13:49:38 anyone got a gnumeric for 3.5.4? May 31 13:49:53 mithro: in the feeds? May 31 13:50:04 i thought it might be - but can't find it May 31 13:50:16 mithro: upgrades/ May 31 13:53:38 thanks May 31 13:54:05 mithro: ipkg update;ipkg install gnumeric May 31 13:54:28 yeah - was for a friend he is installing now May 31 13:54:56 he loves the new OZ - hasn't been on his zaurus for like 1+1/2 years and is really impressed with the improvements May 31 13:55:30 which model? May 31 13:55:58 * hrw|work will push new mysql recipe May 31 13:56:17 15:12 hrw@work:mysql$ mt dif .|diffstat mysql_4.1.18.bb | 70 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--- 1 file changed, 67 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) May 31 13:56:41 ops. not nice paste - but readable May 31 13:57:11 Dumb question: So... suppose I wanted to build (opie|gpe)-image native... To run anything in it I need to chroot into the untarred rootfs, right? :) May 31 13:58:20 thejapa: do not build whole image but only apps which you need May 31 13:58:33 ah ok May 31 13:58:37 thanks again May 31 13:59:08 thejapa: you build opie-taskbar to have launcher and apps for testing May 31 13:59:49 thejapa: http://oe.pastebin.com/749039 is my 'opie native enviroment' May 31 14:01:35 got it May 31 14:03:10 hrw|work: c700 i belive May 31 14:03:17 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r1c7bc4d3... 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: make sure staging directories exist May 31 14:05:29 hrw|work: Hm, you just use bitbake to build that, apart from the .sh? May 31 14:07:46 NAbyss: opie for desktop? yes May 31 14:07:57 ah, cool May 31 14:08:06 NAbyss: never used opie build system May 31 14:09:12 ohh... native gonna take a good time. I was doing everything for h2200. :) May 31 14:10:18 kde dropped dcop finally May 31 14:10:31 thejapa: native is much simpler to use May 31 14:11:34 hrw: sure, but I was planning to road test it, when the time comes :) May 31 14:12:51 koen: many bugs to fix ;) May 31 14:14:00 zecke: indeed May 31 14:15:08 zecke: tomorrow I'm going to add -native and -cross detection and try to shortcircuit the build if the ipk is present May 31 14:16:09 that should give me a solid base to work from May 31 14:17:10 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * ra984e878... 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: slugos-packages: added smartmontools May 31 14:18:04 koen: so it will be possible to do quick build from scratch finally. for example: I commit mysql r1 and autobuildtest will populate staging/cross from already built packages and then will build it. May 31 14:18:30 that's the ultimate goal May 31 14:19:13 after the soc ends I want to add 'build from feeds' functionality May 31 14:19:42 which is a world of hurt since your local.conf needs to match the stuff in the feeds May 31 14:19:43 and how easier will be cross-sdk for users... 'untar this cross-sdk-starter archive' and then do 'ipkg update;ipkg install task-cross-sdk' May 31 14:21:22 and since I have two sets of ipkgs now, it's easy to diff them and fix -dev packages May 31 15:00:35 hrw: How do I build qvfb? May 31 15:00:56 thejapa: start with X11, then Qt3 and you have it May 31 15:01:00 thejapa: or just install it May 31 15:01:25 hrw: install the ipkgs? May 31 15:02:09 thejapa: qvfb is a tool that runs on your host May 31 15:02:52 yes, that part I understood. May 31 15:02:59 zecke: it runs on my pda as well May 31 15:03:48 thejapa: Obviously you can build Qt3/X11 using OpenEmbedded for X86 as well May 31 15:03:56 thejapa: but I think time can be spent better May 31 15:04:10 thejapa: I use qvfb from debian package May 31 15:08:44 I believe in gentoo it must be x11-libs/qt-embedded May 31 15:09:20 thejapa: probably May 31 15:21:14 toodle pip folks May 31 15:26:03 cu May 31 15:33:06 cya May 31 15:54:03 hi May 31 15:59:50 hmm May 31 16:00:01 ERROR: Nothing provides dependency virtual/arm-linux-depmod-1.0 May 31 16:00:03 ? May 31 16:02:00 check your kernel version May 31 16:03:52 this recent change breaks kernel meta packages May 31 16:03:57 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/getdiff.py?id1=54d7627dd0ca98d82eff97117112515e6c5648f9&id2=03fb34a423629f94f02571a2ca5691bed0ef127b May 31 16:04:01 that one? May 31 16:04:17 yes May 31 16:04:28 i.e. collie-kernels May 31 16:04:31 provide virtual/kernel May 31 16:04:34 but have no KV May 31 16:04:38 since they're only meta May 31 16:06:14 hmm we may workaround by adding 2.6 or 2.4 May 31 16:07:32 doesn't hurt to give those files a PV May 31 16:08:20 hi mickeyl May 31 16:08:27 hey phil May 31 16:08:30 how are thigns? May 31 16:08:32 things as well May 31 16:10:25 good, thanks May 31 16:10:30 going home now in fact. bbiab. May 31 16:15:28 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rfff42064... 10/packages/linux/ (7 files in 2 dirs): May 31 16:15:28 a780|e680 kernel update: adds touchscreen improvement fix and enables dyntick May 31 16:15:28 add meta packages to build both kernels in one run (like we do for poodle) May 31 16:15:28 we will eventually unify the a780 and e680 kernel with runtime checks, but not for now May 31 16:15:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r29c975ff... 10/packages/linux/ (6 files): ezx-kernels: rename boogy per the recent arm-linux-depmod-${PV} dependency May 31 16:16:51 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1b207b42... 10/packages/linux/linux-ezx_2.6.16.13.bb: linux-ezx: need to set FILESDIR now that it's getting included May 31 16:38:51 <_guillermo> I added some packages to meta-gpe.bb in oz354x and they're being compiled, but not installed in the gpe-image, am I missing something? May 31 16:43:29 does anything RDEPENDS on them? May 31 16:43:59 <_guillermo> yes May 31 16:44:39 <_guillermo> I added it to the list of gpe-task-apps May 31 16:44:42 ah May 31 16:44:51 then you need to rebuild the bb file that produces gpe-task-apps May 31 16:45:05 <_guillermo> amm May 31 16:46:03 <_guillermo> it is meta-gpe.bb, bit "bitbake meta-gpe" does nothing May 31 16:47:03 <_guillermo> ok, my fault, there was a typo, I will try now May 31 16:53:25 good afternoon folks May 31 16:53:51 <_guillermo> ok, nothing. Nothing else is being inluded into rootfs May 31 16:55:26 I just wanted to add somethig to the OE Faq in the wiki. Which one is the right one? http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OeFaq or http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OeFaq ? thanks May 31 16:55:27 <_guillermo> how could I debug this behavior? I mean packages not being included in rootfs May 31 17:05:40 03erik 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r6981d598... 10/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Missed some files in the org.handhelds.familiar merge. May 31 17:10:50 chris144: the openembedded.org one May 31 17:11:01 hi koen May 31 17:11:06 hey chris144 May 31 17:11:22 koen: I was just about to finish an email question to the mailing list about that May 31 17:12:04 koen: I thought that this is the one because it looks newer, but I cannot log in. Can I get a login? May 31 17:12:25 it's anonymous only at the moment May 31 17:13:06 koen: I figured, but shouldnt one know who edited the stuff? May 31 17:13:24 yeah, but we need to sort out how to handle it best May 31 17:13:32 (it stores your ip anyway) May 31 17:13:54 koen: ok May 31 17:14:58 koen: I will still sent the mail, because the answer might be isefule for otheres, ok? May 31 17:15:04 useful May 31 17:20:57 re May 31 17:36:27 re * May 31 18:16:18 hi joshua_ May 31 18:16:20 hi zecke May 31 18:21:50 phew. qvfb is not included in qt in gentoo May 31 18:22:09 i had to modify the ebuild, never done it before May 31 18:26:05 i had no idea the transition from sysadmin to developer would be so huge May 31 18:26:27 try going from developer to user ;) May 31 18:26:38 no, must be scary :) May 31 18:26:39 lol May 31 18:26:56 thejapa: once up on a time there was no difference May 31 18:27:18 neither knew nothing? May 31 18:29:41 15:43 < ChipX86> +Subject: FYI: KDE trunk has switched to D-BUS May 31 18:30:02 kergoth: yep May 31 18:30:12 most nifty May 31 18:30:14 :) May 31 18:30:29 kergoth: paves the way for http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/2006/05/29/platform-integration-for-mobile-linux-devices/ May 31 18:30:51 one barrier less to teach opie dbus May 31 18:31:15 * Philippe is back (gone 21:56:25) May 31 18:31:20 koen hm? May 31 18:31:25 koen: never was a barrier May 31 18:31:40 koen: zecke IPC only exists due the lack of D-BUS at that time May 31 18:32:14 koen: if you lack at d-bus you will notice it is a plagiarism of zecke IPC May 31 18:32:34 koen: I simply wait for RedHat to be worth much more to sue them... May 31 18:32:36 that's your opinion May 31 18:32:49 that is my right (sueing them) May 31 18:41:11 zecke: How do I stop tinderbox cleaning upon failure? May 31 18:41:22 kergoth: http://www.golem.de/0605/45639.html <- I hope your german improved May 31 18:41:30 RP: hehe, do you want that as option? May 31 18:41:53 RP: add it, in tinderclient.bbclass in PkgFailed I call bb.build.exec_task('do_clean') May 31 18:42:05 zecke: How else do I look at the build and fix the error? May 31 18:42:08 RP: make that conditional and push (to .dev please) May 31 18:42:21 zecke: gabeln? May 31 18:42:34 koen: albino? May 31 18:42:54 a gabel is a fork in german, right? May 31 18:43:16 yes May 31 18:44:47 fork() May 31 18:44:49 *g* May 31 18:45:13 oh sorry, I forgot the powe plug... May 31 18:46:13 "buildroot-ng is coming soon" May 31 18:46:43 koen: time to add KConfig generation to BitBake May 31 18:48:39 a frontend that prompts for distro, machine and image would be a nice start May 31 18:49:03 and 'wizard' to setup DL_DIR, TMPDIR, etc May 31 18:49:27 koen hm May 31 18:51:02 koen: wizard? Isn't kernel config / buildroot config copy-paste handiest for most dev users? May 31 18:51:29 'dev users' aren't the problem May 31 18:51:41 a bit of vi and .conf doesn't scare them May 31 18:51:59 ok, you want to make it friendly for the non-devs May 31 18:52:29 i.e. the people that don't read nor ask questions May 31 18:52:38 always a good idea May 31 18:53:19 wish I had time to start working on an Eclipse plug-in. I might if I get this OE stuff into our company. May 31 18:54:00 that'd be nice May 31 18:54:08 even if I don't like eclipse May 31 19:01:41 anyone ever see this? ipkg: Unknown typeflag: 0x4c: Illegal seek May 31 19:01:59 out of memory? May 31 19:12:09 heh, bitbake/oe cant handle paths with spaces in them at all anymore May 31 19:12:09 it used to do so just fine, other than specific .bb's or bbclasses not quoting calls to commands in shell May 31 19:12:09 * kergoth moves May 31 19:13:01 kergoth: We did fix a certain amount of that recently but its ingrained pretty deeply now :-( May 31 19:13:41 still getting those errors i got last time it ried oe May 31 19:13:45 tons from the kernel bb's May 31 19:14:00 TypeError Message: expected string or buffer May 31 19:14:48 This is oe.dev and an up to date bitbake? May 31 19:15:20 1.4.2 bitbake, the may 31 oe tarball off of hrw's site, dont have monotone on this box May 31 19:16:02 pastebin your local.conf and the errors? May 31 19:16:25 right, I should enable the tarball thingy on oe.org May 31 19:16:31 http://pastebin.com/749665 May 31 19:17:09 http://pastebin.com/749669 May 31 19:17:14 hmm. cygwin May 31 19:17:25 happens exactly the same on my remote linux box May 31 19:17:28 tried this months ago May 31 19:17:34 and those errors only come from the kernel packages May 31 19:17:42 looks like anyone including the kernel/module classes May 31 19:18:22 * likewise notices that yesterday someone committed a fix for inclusion of modules in the fs, and depmod. May 31 19:19:51 heh, oe no longer supports builds without a machine, eh. that also used to work just fine as long as what i built didnt require a kernel May 31 19:20:03 kergoth: I think pb worked on this the last (2) day(s). Saw a commit message on IRC related to module dir generation on the fs. May 31 19:20:04 * kergoth is not impressed with losses of flexibility May 31 19:20:56 likewise: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=03fb34a423629f94f02571a2ca5691bed0ef127b May 31 19:20:59 likewise: that one? May 31 19:21:32 koen: oh yes, rpurdie then. May 31 19:21:40 koen: how do you grep so fast in commits? May 31 19:21:48 likewise: http://www.openembedded.org/aggregator/sources May 31 19:21:53 and click on 'more' :) May 31 19:23:40 koen: koel. Is this (part of) monotone functionality? May 31 19:23:46 "oe no longer supports builds without a machine, eh. that also used to work just fine" <-- heh, this comment reads very strangely if one is not used to OE terminology :-) May 31 19:24:23 kergoth: I get those errors with your local.conf file :) May 31 19:24:30 likewise: viewmtn (the thing with the graphs ands diffs) outputs an rss feed and drupal aggregrates those May 31 19:25:10 koen: viewmtn runs regularly or is it triggered by a commit? May 31 19:25:20 RP: i'm sure it's the fact that i didnt set a machine, but those classes should be fixed. just because i'm parsing doesnt mean i'm building them. May 31 19:25:35 likewise: it it triggered by pointing your browser at it :) May 31 19:25:48 likewise: mod_python interface to monotone automate commands May 31 19:26:03 s/it it/it is/ May 31 19:26:08 kergoth: agreed. It'll be kernel.bbclass as it does some funky things these days May 31 19:26:12 koen: clear. nice. May 31 19:27:04 * kergoth thinks he should come back to oe and clean house a bit :P May 31 19:27:13 dserver qt # which qvfb May 31 19:27:13 /usr/qt/3/bin/qvfb May 31 19:27:18 finally :) May 31 19:27:26 kergoth: You'd be very welcome :) May 31 19:27:51 looking to use it to maintain the rootfs for my arm qemu that i use for testing at work May 31 19:27:54 :) May 31 19:28:23 OE generates qemuarm specific qemuarm images now... May 31 19:28:36 MACHINE=qemuarm :) May 31 19:28:43 glad to hear it May 31 19:28:56 * chouimat is away: stuff May 31 19:29:15 wonder how well oe would work under mingw. cygwin is a monster May 31 19:29:41 kergoth: with a lot of goats and sheeps ;) May 31 19:31:43 kergoth: Its definetly the MACHINE being missing. touch conf/machine/dummy.conf and set MACHINE="dummy" for now and I'll add it to the list of things that need fixing ;-) May 31 19:33:32 btw, qemu 0.8.1 has been released May 31 19:33:45 adds a new arm machine May 31 19:33:50 nice May 31 19:34:10 It might mean I can stop using CVS snapshots :) May 31 19:34:10 * koen waits for pbrook to add the eabi bits May 31 19:34:26 and for someone to fix the gcc4 problems May 31 19:51:39 criminey is openzaurus.org/mirror slow May 31 19:57:05 RP: ping May 31 19:59:34 zecke: pong May 31 19:59:48 morning May 31 19:59:59 RP: did you do anything to the tinderclient.bbclass? May 31 20:00:04 zecke: not yet May 31 20:00:04 *spare time starts* :} May 31 20:00:34 zecke: We know the cause of kergoth's bitbake failures btw - MACHINE not set. Its looking like a bug in base.bbclass and I think I have a fix May 31 20:00:37 RP: do you at least partially share this auto-evict feature? May 31 20:01:04 sorry... it is late May 31 20:01:04 zecke: I don't understand? May 31 20:01:16 re zecke May 31 20:01:23 do you at least understand why it is auto-evicting the failed package? May 31 20:01:34 zecke: yes May 31 20:01:38 okay :) May 31 20:01:42 zecke: It just makes debugging painful May 31 20:01:58 * RP needs to go - back 30 mins May 31 20:02:09 nornally, you don't debug on a autobuilder ;) May 31 20:02:18 woglinde_: I suck at math :} May 31 20:02:30 zecke not more than me May 31 20:03:00 who wants to buy me a monotone t-shirt? May 31 20:03:17 hm you buy me one May 31 20:03:22 hrw: had to compile qt, but got qvfb working. May 31 20:03:26 I'll send you a monotone t-shirt. May 31 20:03:35 white-on-white May 31 20:03:40 thejapa: good May 31 20:03:45 no I want that rat! May 31 20:05:06 hi May 31 20:05:18 hey, how are you? May 31 20:05:24 hey zecke May 31 20:05:27 Skyhusker: congratulation to your SoC project May 31 20:05:34 Skyhusker: how far are you yet? May 31 20:05:35 thanks zecke :) May 31 20:05:43 hrw: but I must have missed something here, because when I tried running qpe, it says cannot find libqpe.so.1, the paths are okay, bitbake didn't build it. May 31 20:05:43 i saw you're a mentor :) May 31 20:06:15 Skyhusker: trying hard to influence koen :} May 31 20:06:34 zecke, currently, we are dicussing about the engine and the goals May 31 20:06:52 koen: you are into gadgets right? What about electro-schock + remote control May 31 20:06:58 thejapa: with your native opie build? May 31 20:07:13 hi Skyhusker May 31 20:07:18 295 revs May 31 20:07:20 *fun* May 31 20:07:21 hey hrw May 31 20:07:34 okay another task then May 31 20:07:44 hrw: yes. it was saying some preferred versions for some opie 1.2.2 apps cannot be found May 31 20:08:00 thejapa: and it should build cvs version instea May 31 20:08:01 d May 31 20:08:58 hrw: is it a problem to use familiar-unstable instead of openzaurus like your config? May 31 20:10:20 thejapa: basically any distro should work when you use machine=native. recently 'generic' distro was updated to be used by default May 31 20:12:02 JustinP: now, I have time for SRCDATE=now (finally) May 31 20:12:40 hrw: i just looked at familiar-unstable.conf, it has the following line: OPIE_VERSION = "1.2.2" May 31 20:12:48 who want to have an access to google analytics stats for openembedded.org? May 31 20:12:55 thejapa: thats correct May 31 20:13:24 hrw: what stats? :D May 31 20:13:56 *loudest* me :} May 31 20:14:05 what a selfish behaviour... May 31 20:14:11 zecke: then tell me your google account name May 31 20:14:55 hrw: google account? May 31 20:15:03 hrw: freyther@inf.fu-berlin.de i guess May 31 20:15:08 I'm owned May 31 20:15:20 zecke your gmail May 31 20:15:32 woglinde_: I forgot login+password ;) May 31 20:15:42 zecke: https://www.google.com/analytics/home/report?rid=540160 May 31 20:18:03 top referrers list is nice: hh.org, busybox.net, google, uclibc.org, buildroot.uclibc.org openembedded.sourceforge.net opensimpad.org people.openezx.org May 31 20:18:42 zecke: cool :-) thanks much May 31 20:20:06 hrw: how can we improve the pagerank? :} May 31 20:20:28 JustinP: IIRC only svn/svk needs 'now' handling May 31 20:20:39 hrw: thanks May 31 20:21:04 rwhitby: ping, you could 'sync' bitbake-1.4 svn to your monotone branch May 31 20:21:18 zecke: I do not look at pagerank. May 31 20:23:08 zecke: OE has PR=5, my site has 3 May 31 20:23:10 hrw: how is google getting this data? May 31 20:23:58 zecke random(1,10) May 31 20:23:59 zecke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank May 31 20:25:15 hrw: I meant all data shown on this site May 31 20:25:23 hrw: did we add a Google cookie to each site? May 31 20:26:01 zecke: ah.. analytics.. koen added snippet of code to page which call google May 31 20:27:12 hrw: 'nice', what a privacy nightmare :} May 31 20:27:46 zecke: use adblock or other kind of that stuff.. May 31 20:28:14 hrw: well I have a PayBack card and a Google account, it is too late for my soul May 31 20:29:10 kergoth: pb_ : do you mind if I update the usermanual license to version 2.5? May 31 20:29:28 version 2.5? May 31 20:29:41 zecke, it?s really too late for you :-) May 31 20:30:05 kergoth: Version 2.5 of the CreativeCommons license May 31 20:30:33 TheCan: either woglinde fell asleep or is totally schocked ;) May 31 20:30:50 heh May 31 20:32:24 heh.. I wrote once about vim7 for debian on my blog and since then its top google referrer.. May 31 20:32:58 hrw: be glad to not have mentioned uganda May 31 20:33:14 heh, i remember running upon that blog entry wehn i was googling for vim7 debian packages May 31 20:33:53 kergoth: ;P May 31 20:34:44 what is this? -> | ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol _h_errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference May 31 20:35:19 thejapa: machine=native build? May 31 20:35:23 aye May 31 20:36:51 dont know May 31 20:36:53 maybe i should clean /stuff/build/tmp May 31 20:38:38 kergoth: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/machine_unset_fix-r0.patch May 31 20:40:56 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * re20cf013... 10/packages/python/python-imaging_1.1.5.bb: python-imaging 1.1.5: add python stringold and lang run time depends May 31 20:41:02 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r85f30e87... 10/classes/base.bbclass: base.bbclass: Fix COMPATIBLE_MACHINE to cope when MACHINE isn't set May 31 20:42:20 thx cbrake May 31 20:45:31 hrw: did a ccache -C too. now i'll wait :\ May 31 20:50:27 http://www.infradead.org/recruitment.html <- lol May 31 20:50:36 I really like david May 31 20:51:56 zecke: yes.. his page is nice May 31 20:55:12 i love his page on email ettiquette May 31 20:55:25 that is awesome May 31 20:56:07 JustinP: the patch landed in trunk May 31 20:56:20 JustinP: doing the 'backport' now May 31 21:00:39 zecke: :-) May 31 21:02:00 what I need to get scripts from /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ started? May 31 21:02:48 you use the appropriate fields in interfaces. in the case of wireless, wireless_essid, etc May 31 21:03:00 gets passed in via the env May 31 21:03:27 kergoth: currently I'm moving to wpa supplicant May 31 21:05:15 kergoth, where is the page on email etiquette May 31 21:05:29 kergoth: and want to start wpa-supplicant when wlan0 is going up May 31 21:05:47 I may rip off his employment page and replace "Great Britain" with "Northern Virginia" May 31 21:05:56 hehe May 31 21:05:59 $HERE May 31 21:06:32 Crofton: http://www.infradead.org/~dwmw2/email.html May 31 21:06:38 Crofton: its excellent, i often have to send people to it May 31 21:08:07 getting it workin.. May 31 21:08:18 kergoth: hehe May 31 21:08:46 JustinP: finally it is in :} May 31 21:08:49 nite gfuys May 31 21:08:52 kergoth, only three other people have saved the email pge to del.icio.us May 31 21:08:58 Crofton: we should fix that May 31 21:09:17 openembedded.org only 8 times May 31 21:09:24 nite zecke May 31 21:09:37 * kergoth chuckles at http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2003-April/007639.html May 31 21:10:09 * CosmicPenguin saved openembedded.org to de.icio.us May 31 21:10:17 I was one of the first ... :) May 31 21:10:22 heh May 31 21:11:21 kergoth, can you take care of an openzaurus.org DNS config item? Alias wiki.oz.org to www.berlios.de. May 31 21:11:24 CNAME. May 31 21:11:28 .. May 31 21:11:35 i take it you havent actually checked recently. May 31 21:11:40 considering i did that yesterday May 31 21:11:40 ah. May 31 21:11:42 :P May 31 21:11:48 Good deal. May 31 21:11:49 Thanks! May 31 21:13:14 np May 31 21:13:57 hm hm May 31 21:17:03 okay there are enough papers about opensource in embedded devices May 31 21:17:24 that means I have the topic for my seminar May 31 21:19:47 * Philippe is away: visual contact - melancholic dreams May 31 21:20:33 hrw: bitbake is building dependencies. something was dirty after all. May 31 21:22:12 so, ppl, I wonder if things were simpler when you started developing... May 31 21:34:25 wpa-supplicant need one script and will be automatic ;) May 31 21:35:02 hrw hm what a type of script? May 31 21:35:29 the one from http://wiki.openzaurus.org/HowTos/roaming_with_wpa_supplicant May 31 21:35:41 pre-up.d May 31 21:36:05 hm if it is already in the wiki May 31 21:36:07 my Z just autologged into my home WPA-PSK network May 31 21:39:12 uhmmm... my ipaq is starting to reboot espontanously, anybody has experienced this before ? May 31 21:39:21 hrw: Z as in Zaurus ? May 31 21:39:35 woglinde_: can you translate 'has ja recht' to english? friend is asking me and I do not speak german May 31 21:39:38 CSMan: yes May 31 21:39:56 hrw It means "yes you are right" May 31 21:39:57 hrw: what card does it use May 31 21:40:22 woglinde_: thx May 31 21:40:34 CSMan: CF prism2 one with hostap_cs driver May 31 21:40:53 ah. lucky you May 31 21:41:50 CSMan: what you got? May 31 21:42:01 atmel May 31 21:43:24 no wpa then iirc? May 31 21:44:47 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r462d3039... 10/packages/ (17 files in 11 dirs): Update MAINTAINER email address for packages created by AMD. May 31 21:44:52 that's correct May 31 21:45:02 it crashes everytime I try May 31 21:45:16 it doesn't even work with simple keys May 31 21:45:54 even wep? May 31 21:45:57 wow May 31 21:46:27 all it can do is to get connected to open networks May 31 21:47:08 hm no wpa for orinoco too right? May 31 21:47:44 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r7c120826... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) May 31 21:47:44 classes May 31 21:47:44 bootimg.bbclass - This creates a bootable image using syslinux, your kernel and an optional initrd May 31 21:47:44 kernel.bbclass - drivers/crypto and include/acpi are needed by some May 31 21:47:44 pkgconfig.bbclass - searching for .pc files May 31 21:47:45 syslinux.bbclass - This creates a configuration file suitable for use with syslinux. May 31 21:47:49 site May 31 21:48:41 woglinde_: yep May 31 21:49:05 hrw problem of wpasupplicant? May 31 21:49:23 woglinde_: driver problem rather May 31 21:49:48 hrw hm May 31 21:50:03 I hope it will be fixed in the new wifistack May 31 21:50:34 will see May 31 21:52:40 i wonder how they made it work in WinCE =P May 31 21:52:57 woglinde_: does the wifistack has a package name ? May 31 21:53:22 csman no I meant the new wifistack in the linuxkernel which maybee come May 31 21:53:30 CSMan: wpa can be done in software if you capture raw packets probably May 31 21:53:34 oh May 31 21:53:47 csman mom May 31 21:54:01 hrw: do you think is that the way WinCE deals with it ? May 31 21:54:12 me again. So, I have qvfb running. I built and un'ipk'aded files... I configured LD_LIBRARY_PATH, QWS_DISPLAY and QTDIR and OPIEDIR. May 31 21:54:14 because before moving to linux i updated the firmware May 31 21:54:19 CSMan: never had device with wince May 31 21:54:36 what app should I run now? qpe? May 31 21:54:41 thejapa: yes May 31 21:54:45 hrw: yeah, all zaurus come with linux, right ? May 31 21:54:52 CSMan: exactly May 31 21:55:10 hrw: that's the output May 31 21:55:12 ./qpe May 31 21:55:12 ODevice() - found 'vendor_id : AuthenticAMD' May 31 21:55:12 OGlobal::creating global configuration instance. May 31 21:55:12 OConfig::OConfig() May 31 21:55:12 : ODevice reports transformation to be 0 May 31 21:55:13 : QWS_DISPLAY already set as 'QVFb:0' - overriding ODevice transformation May 31 21:55:14 CSMan: but I can exchange sl-5500 for h2200 May 31 21:55:15 qt_init() - starting in daemon mode... May 31 21:55:22 thejapa: use pastebin May 31 21:55:24 ~pastebin May 31 21:55:28 well, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ May 31 21:55:35 thejapa: and it started in qvfb now May 31 21:55:39 ah sorry! but nothing shows on qvfb May 31 21:56:05 thejapa: "qpe --nodaemon" will complain about lack of fonts May 31 21:56:49 thejapa: http://oe.pastebin.com/750045 May 31 21:57:34 i'm not supposed to be running this in chroot, am i? May 31 21:58:22 thejapa: no chroot needed May 31 21:58:34 thejapa: but you can run it in chroot if want May 31 21:58:37 hrw: ok. "qpe --nodaemon" is doing the same output May 31 21:59:34 thejapa: s/--/- ;) May 31 21:59:40 If I run any app, like addressbook, it says no daemon is running May 31 21:59:43 ah ok May 31 21:59:56 http://oe.pastebin.com/750057 May 31 22:00:46 i wonder if the electricity that goes from the headphone jack to the multimedia speakers is frying my ipaq May 31 22:01:24 cbrake_away: thanks for the kind words about OpenSlug May 31 22:01:28 hrw: i must install these fonts. May 31 22:01:46 it has started to reboot espontanously when i use without the AC adaptor May 31 22:01:48 thejapa: any truetype is ok if you installed opie-freetype May 31 22:02:49 hrw: didn't. I'll install it now. May 31 22:11:52 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r7e523d22... 10/packages/autofs/autofs_4.1.4.bb: autofs - Build problems with PARALLEL_MAKE. May 31 22:11:56 org.nslu2-linux.bitbake synched with latest BitBake 1.4 May 31 22:11:56 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * reb4e1ac9... 10/packages/bonnie/bonnie++_1.03a.bb: bonnie - Separate bonnie-scripts package. May 31 22:12:00 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r5feea53c... 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.00.bb busybox_1.01.bb): busybox - sh may not always be enabled in defconfig. May 31 22:12:04 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * re7576ba0... 10/packages/cramfs/cramfs-native_1.1.bb: cramfs - cramfs-andersee.patch and makefile.patch for cramfs-native. May 31 22:12:08 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * re6d34061... 10/packages/dialog/dialog_1.0-20050306.bb: dialog - Add dialog-static and templates.patch May 31 22:22:44 cu May 31 22:36:54 * CosmicPenguin uses clips from Fletch as audio test clips because they make me smile May 31 22:40:34 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * ref879b33... 10/packages/cramfs/cramfs/ (cramfs-andersee.patch makefile.patch): cramfs - cramfs-andersee.patch and makefile.patch for cramfs-native. (missed adds) May 31 22:40:38 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * ra0ac3c20... 10/packages/dialog/ (3 files in 2 dirs): dialog - Add dialog-static and templates.patch (missed adds) May 31 22:40:42 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r597faab8... 10/packages/emelfm2/ (emelfm2-0.0.8/makefile.patch emelfm2_0.0.8.bb): emelfm2 - Initial add. May 31 22:40:46 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r145afef9... 10/packages/fontconfig/ (files/local.conf fontconfig_2.2.95.bb): fontconfig - Add a local.conf file May 31 22:40:51 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r8051ed93... 10/packages/gcc/ (11 files in 4 dirs): May 31 22:40:51 gcc - ${TARGET_PREFIX}gcov are useful for cross code coverage analysis. May 31 22:40:51 Cleanup some errors in packaging when certain files do not exist. May 31 22:40:51 Add GCOV_PREFIX* cross-profiling patches. May 31 22:40:51 Pass in GFORTRAN_FOR_TARGET for cross builds. May 31 22:41:05 HALLELUJAH May 31 22:41:14 finally got this thing working May 31 22:41:43 hmm... everybody is out May 31 22:42:06 maybe i should monologue May 31 22:42:28 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r68102be1... 10/packages/gdb/gdb-cross_6.3.bb: gdb - Add cross staging. May 31 22:42:32 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rbb9a6797... 10/packages/gpm/gpm-1.20.1/init: gpm - Init script cleanup. May 31 22:42:39 of course it worked - it was designed to work, wasn't it? May 31 22:42:58 hehe, yeah, it seems so May 31 22:43:10 for a moment i thought it was a big prank May 31 22:43:10 :) May 31 22:43:21 only part of it is - but we won't tell you which part May 31 22:43:27 oh no May 31 22:43:28 :) May 31 22:47:12 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r2d1bf66b... 10/packages/ica/ica-bin_8.0.bb: ica - Now depends upon libx11 and libxaw May 31 22:47:17 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * re0e11a54... 10/packages/libdvdnav/libdvdnav_0.1.10.bb: libdvdnav - Initial add. May 31 22:47:21 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r409411ec... 10/packages/libidl/ (libidl_0.8.3.bb libidl_0.8.6.bb): libidl - Firefox uses the libIDL-config-2 script instead of pkgconfig May 31 22:47:25 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r4ad4ec86... 10/packages/lm_sensors/lmsensors-apps_2.9.2.bb: lm_sensors - Initial add. May 31 22:47:29 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r48ae69fb... 10/packages/ltt/ (ltt-0.9.6-pre4/m4.patch ltt_0.9.6-pre4.bb): ltt - Update to 0.9.6-pre4. May 31 22:47:33 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rd709c5b4... 10/packages/mtools/mtools_3.9.9.bb: mtools - Doesn't really need tetex-native when mtools-makeinfo.patch is applied. May 31 22:47:46 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r86e0b12d... 10/packages/nvidia-drivers/ (5 files in 2 dirs): nvidia-drivers - Initial add. May 31 22:47:46 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r8e087a1f... 10/packages/openh323/ (openh323/fixes.patch openh323_1.13.5.4.bb): openh323 - Initial add. May 31 22:47:47 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * red26a11d... 10/packages/openssl/openssl.inc: openssl - Add i486-linux target. May 31 22:47:51 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * recd61e0f... 10/packages/pdm/ (6 files in 2 dirs): pdm - pdm.conf file and a few sessions. May 31 22:47:55 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r605009a5... 10/packages/perl/ (3 files in 2 dirs): May 31 22:47:55 perl - Absolute includes fix. May 31 22:47:55 Add config.sh for i486-linux and i586-linux. May 31 22:47:56 Disable PARALLEL_MAKE. May 31 22:48:00 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rbdc2db00... 10/packages/pwlib/ (pwlib_1.5.2.bb pwlib_1.6.6.4.bb): pwlib - Initial add May 31 22:48:04 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r8f33a104... 10/packages/quake/quake1_0.0.1.bb: quake - Needs libxau. May 31 22:48:08 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * raad68492... 10/packages/stress/stress_0.18.8.bb: stress - Initial add. May 31 22:48:12 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rc7409b56... 10/packages/sudo/sudo.inc: sudo - Fix permissions on /etc/sudoers May 31 22:48:17 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * r32c35724... 10/packages/tetex/tetex-native_3.0.bb: tetex - No install for tetex-native May 31 22:48:21 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rc701a7a0... 10/packages/util-linux/util-linux-native_2.12r.bb: util-linux - Add util-linux-native May 31 22:51:22 dood is on fire May 31 22:52:07 what this bot is about? May 31 22:52:24 ah i got it May 31 22:52:25 thejapa: That bot watches the SCM commits May 31 22:52:45 CosmicPenguin: If you're nearby, remind him about "monotone add" to add files May 31 22:53:15 Is he having trouble adding files? May 31 22:53:22 CosmicPenguin: I've put an email to oe@ about it but I don't know if he's subbed (if not, he should be) May 31 22:53:31 he should be May 31 22:53:37 CosmicPenguin: At least one commit was missing files May 31 22:54:07 ahh - geez - I hope that doesn't freak things out - he's adding lots of new stuff May 31 22:55:26 CosmicPenguin: I'm fine with that and its meant to be helpful rather than critism May 31 22:55:53 Are .ident strings not stripped from binaries for a reason? (I'm around 300kB over the flash size on Collie and looking for any waste possible.) May 31 22:58:07 i think my SD card overheated May 31 22:58:17 it's not reading May 31 23:06:32 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rf2eac7b0... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): May 31 23:06:32 bootimg.bbclass - This creates a bootable image using syslinux, your kernel and an optional initrd May 31 23:06:32 syslinux.bbclass - This creates a configuration file suitable for use with syslinux. May 31 23:06:32 db1200.conf geodelx.conf - add db1200 and geodelx machine configurations. May 31 23:06:32 Forgot the mt-add on these in the last attempt... Jun 01 01:30:33 good nite all. Jun 01 01:35:44 libtool-native is failing to compile with this error: Jun 01 01:35:47 configure: error: source directory already configured; run "make distclean" there first Jun 01 01:35:59 well, failing to configure that is Jun 01 01:38:13 hmm, I removed its build dir and stamps, and now it appears to be working :-\ Jun 01 01:38:42 oops, nope - same error - just it appears in the actual compile phase: Jun 01 01:39:02 ERROR: see log in //home/packages/nslu2/mtnA/familiar/tmp/work/i686-linux/libtool-native-1.5.10-r4/temp/log.do_compile.26785 Jun 01 01:39:22 (why is it trying to configure in the compile phase?) Jun 01 01:40:29 some dep? Jun 01 01:43:46 ah well. I guess I wait. Jun 01 01:44:37 i was having bad luck earlier. Jun 01 01:45:02 then i decided to clean ccache and the whole tmp tree, things got better Jun 01 01:45:20 but it took some time to finish compilation :) Jun 01 01:45:25 yeah well I learned those lessons years ago Jun 01 01:45:43 I don't use ccache with oe, and I always start from scratch on my builds Jun 01 01:45:53 sorry. I'm very green here. :) Jun 01 01:56:01 what does oe require for the actual screen draws? Jun 01 01:58:30 ggi? framebuffer? Jun 01 01:58:57 it doesn't require anything. there are all sorts of packages in the repository for all sorts of guis, from gpe to opie to e17 Jun 01 01:59:17 ah Jun 01 01:59:28 ah I am mixing up opie with oe Jun 01 01:59:32 sorry, long day Jun 01 01:59:58 but on that subject is there a one place url I can go to get a link to all the current used gui's Jun 01 02:00:18 so I can compare them for some embedded projects also also what will be best for a 32 meg of ram pda Jun 01 02:01:41 assuming I can ever get the piece of shit to boot properly Jun 01 02:01:41 :/ Jun 01 02:03:54 flyback: you can check handhelds.org Jun 01 02:04:15 the wiki has pages with screenshots for opie and gpe, but i guess you already know that Jun 01 02:04:33 I tried there I only get half ass info last time I tried Jun 01 02:04:35 so guys, the problem with SD cards and mmc_h5400 is very well known ? Jun 01 02:04:46 thejapa I mean more low level stuff Jun 01 02:04:57 the actual kernels tuff, cpu usage vs graphics performance etc Jun 01 02:04:58 yeah, i thought you would say that Jun 01 02:05:01 because everything was running ok with my ipaq until the temperature in the city started to rise Jun 01 02:05:08 I know that page is wonderful for the gui interface side of things Jun 01 02:05:08 :) Jun 01 02:05:30 CSMan: i live in brazil, like 40 degrees celsius Jun 01 02:05:36 never had SD overheat problems Jun 01 02:05:56 sd overheating? wtf? Jun 01 02:06:00 you got some sort of short circuit, isn't? Jun 01 02:06:14 or some software programmable voltage generator that is seriously canucked Jun 01 02:06:23 can't you clean the contacts with a ... damn what's the word in english? plastic eraser... Jun 01 02:06:29 jap correct Jun 01 02:06:31 good job :) Jun 01 02:06:38 but you have to be careful as that can generate static Jun 01 02:07:40 yeah, there's other sort of eraser... rubber eraser? u got my meaning :) Jun 01 02:07:43 flyback: actually i think I also have a static problem Jun 01 02:07:54 flyback: sometimes when i touch the ipaq it reboots o_O Jun 01 02:07:55 CSMan hmm I thought most of the modern interfaces Jun 01 02:07:58 sd, etc Jun 01 02:08:05 have protection diodes on the pins Jun 01 02:08:06 ick Jun 01 02:08:10 pins ? Jun 01 02:08:17 I suggest you wear a wrist strap Jun 01 02:08:26 csman, dry weather? Jun 01 02:08:36 to disipate the static? Jun 01 02:08:41 thejapa: it's pretty wet these days Jun 01 02:08:52 CSman correct Jun 01 02:08:56 but the office is dry because of air conditioning Jun 01 02:09:04 flyback: where can i get one ? Jun 01 02:09:14 what country are you in ? Jun 01 02:09:19 here in brazil, we start giving shocks on each other when the weather is very dry. Jun 01 02:09:20 everytime i try to connect my headphones, b0nk!, reboot Jun 01 02:09:25 it's fun actually Jun 01 02:09:26 wait Jun 01 02:09:27 thejapa: same here XD Jun 01 02:09:29 is it headphones only? Jun 01 02:09:44 cause that could be a crack in the board Jun 01 02:09:44 flyback: headphones and just by touching it also Jun 01 02:09:47 or a bug in jack sensnig Jun 01 02:09:58 well seeing you are a canuck (evil) Jun 01 02:09:59 flyback: maybe it's both Jun 01 02:10:03 XD Jun 01 02:10:08 you are pretty close to us style industry Jun 01 02:10:14 so you should be able to get a wrist strap anywhere Jun 01 02:10:16 store or online Jun 01 02:10:23 like $4 Jun 01 02:10:26 hmmm Jun 01 02:10:28 $10 canuck probably Jun 01 02:10:31 but worth it Jun 01 02:10:32 HAHAH Jun 01 02:10:37 flyback: you mean 3.5 Jun 01 02:10:38 lol Jun 01 02:11:41 I have 3 I think Jun 01 02:11:53 they are worth the piece of mind that it's one less thing I can f*** up when assembling stuff Jun 01 02:12:29 it's not seeing the sd card anymore =( Jun 01 02:12:30 * CSMan reboots Jun 01 02:12:46 hey canuckMAN Jun 01 02:12:51 is your pda still under warrenty ? Jun 01 02:13:06 i got it on ebay Jun 01 02:13:18 ah then none Jun 01 02:13:26 if you have everything saved etc Jun 01 02:13:30 you might want to try power cycling it Jun 01 02:13:35 disconnect the battery for 5 mins or so Jun 01 02:13:53 yeah, that worked a couple of times , and it actually reads normally Jun 01 02:13:53 mabye the logic is just in a wacked half ass state from too many static surges Jun 01 02:14:02 what model pda Jun 01 02:14:11 but then i tried to do ls /media/card and it got frozen there , not the systems thou Jun 01 02:14:17 ipaq h5550 Jun 01 02:14:32 flyback: you mean teh wiring is ruined ? Jun 01 02:14:39 no Jun 01 02:14:49 or it just needs to take some rest Jun 01 02:15:04 I see logic get "stuck" and needed to be taken to 0 volts for several mins to get it back to normal operating situation Jun 01 02:15:14 i see... Jun 01 02:15:14 just because the standby or battery circuit even dead kept it on sorta Jun 01 02:16:15 i'll take the battery until tomorrow Jun 01 02:16:51 wow, that's got to be tons of static, never saw something like this here Jun 01 02:17:09 oh, actually, once i fried a harddrive circuit board with my finger Jun 01 02:17:21 that hurts Jun 01 02:17:27 yuo can also just use grounded foil as a place to touch yourself to keep yourself discharged Jun 01 02:17:34 but that's not good idea if you work around high voltage Jun 01 02:17:46 wrist strap is easier :) Jun 01 02:18:44 or you can work barefeet. That's fun Jun 01 02:18:58 unless you have carpet Jun 01 02:19:05 shouldn't have carpet at all Jun 01 02:19:21 na that won't work Jun 01 02:19:26 you can still generate static off chair etc Jun 01 02:19:58 the office is all carpet Jun 01 02:25:12 Sun Microsystems cutting up to 5,000 jobs Jun 01 02:25:12 uh oh Jun 01 02:27:57 you work on sun? Jun 01 02:28:11 i was thinking about applying for a job =P Jun 01 02:28:21 ah Jun 01 02:28:28 sun must be boring :) Jun 01 02:28:36 hehe Jun 01 02:28:47 google is boring, MS is boring Jun 01 02:28:58 nothing like your own startup =P Jun 01 02:28:59 anyplace I can't work (yet) is boring Jun 01 02:29:08 apple must be boring too Jun 01 02:29:20 nokia must be complete boredom Jun 01 02:29:23 :P Jun 01 02:29:51 apple is the worst Jun 01 02:29:59 XD Jun 01 02:30:16 thejapa: were you at debconf 2 years ago ? Jun 01 02:37:06 no :( Jun 01 02:37:28 never been outside brazil Jun 01 02:38:31 you didn't need to be outside brazil 2 years ago Jun 01 02:39:13 oh, then it proves i have no idea what debconf is. oops hehe Jun 01 02:39:33 isn't it some sort of meeting? Jun 01 02:40:23 any *conf must be a meeting :P Jun 01 02:41:10 yeah, a debian meeting. :) Jun 01 02:41:54 anyway, i never been to any geek meeting, I really want to, but everytime one appears either I don't have time or money. Jun 01 02:42:41 2 months ago, we had FISL, a free software meeting, with eric raymond Jun 01 02:42:56 and stallman Jun 01 02:43:08 /o\ Jun 01 02:43:57 i wanted to get eric's signature on my "art of unix programming" book, but I couldn't travel. Too far and had work to do. Jun 01 02:47:57 thejapa: are you with terra ? Jun 01 02:48:36 no. why? Jun 01 02:49:11 my ISP is telefonica, but they are the same company as terra, just another name to separate the telco from the ISP. Jun 01 02:49:49 actually, my telco is telefonica, my ISP is stetnet, but the real ISP in the end is terra. Jun 01 02:49:51 duh Jun 01 02:50:31 btw, terra in portuguese means earth in english Jun 01 02:51:55 thejapa: do you have access to the whole set of pictures in terra.com.br/thegirl ? Jun 01 02:51:59 XD Jun 01 02:52:01 HAHA Jun 01 02:52:03 no Jun 01 02:52:08 perv Jun 01 02:52:10 oh too bad Jun 01 02:52:11 =D Jun 01 02:52:28 where u from? Jun 01 02:53:18 i'm from Perú Jun 01 02:53:20 niiiice! Jun 01 02:53:43 i love latin america, hope one day to visit all neighbours Jun 01 02:53:46 and you know that it doesn't mean we are pervs because we like to see preciosas meninas Jun 01 02:54:05 but white girls in northamerica don't seem to understand Jun 01 02:54:11 (unless they are drunk of course) Jun 01 02:54:13 heheh Jun 01 02:54:43 ow Jun 01 02:56:20 then send me a link to nice peruanas Jun 01 02:56:45 hahah Jun 01 02:56:50 btw, peru in portuguese means a type of chick Jun 01 02:56:54 chicken Jun 01 02:56:55 terra.com.pe/thegirl Jun 01 02:56:58 that should work Jun 01 02:57:03 haha Jun 01 02:58:40 those girls are from peru? the name looks brazilian Jun 01 02:58:46 http://www.beefytreats.net/mt-archives/tubgirl.html <- she is hot Jun 01 02:59:10 I should packet your ass Jun 01 02:59:18 for suggesting that link to anyone but a child molestor Jun 01 02:59:21 sick fuck Jun 01 02:59:30 hahah Jun 01 02:59:32 that's a classic Jun 01 02:59:47 flyback: too many people discussing porn in a channel for embedded development, figured that would stop it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 01 02:59:57 2006