**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 01 02:59:57 2006 Jun 01 02:59:59 Zero_Chaos: what are you talking about? Jun 01 03:00:01 sorry dudes Jun 01 03:00:23 zero oh I see, sorry then Jun 01 03:00:28 CSMan: I figured anyone who still has a hard-on after seeing tubgirl needs some help Jun 01 03:00:44 Zero_Chaos: we weren't pr0ning here Jun 01 03:00:48 flyback: I understand your reaction... Jun 01 03:00:54 anyway... things are quiet today Jun 01 03:01:01 indeed Jun 01 03:01:09 * Zero_Chaos drops a pin Jun 01 03:01:10 zero I haven't seen that one but I seen some others mental scarrnig enough Jun 01 03:01:13 *BANG* Jun 01 03:01:19 people who paste those links should be shot Jun 01 03:01:25 lol Jun 01 03:01:25 heh Jun 01 03:01:32 * Zero_Chaos pulls out a gun. Jun 01 03:01:35 don't ever click on nakked paris Jun 01 03:01:37 whatever you do Jun 01 03:01:51 flyback: I must have missed that one... Jun 01 03:01:54 trust me Jun 01 03:01:57 that's a good thing Jun 01 03:02:05 no need to know too Jun 01 03:02:11 don't plan to tell you Jun 01 03:02:15 flyback: I live in text mode, so I usually don't bother to check links Jun 01 03:02:16 I would puke before I finish typing Jun 01 03:02:48 this mithro guy... anyone knows him? Jun 01 03:03:20 never mind Jun 01 03:10:27 ppl, i'll go to sleep. (0h30m here) gd night Jun 01 03:11:03 where the hell is GMT-4? Jun 01 03:11:10 br? Jun 01 03:11:43 brazil is GMT-4? how odd.... Jun 01 03:19:25 there seems to be a problem with my sd card file system Jun 01 03:19:38 while it normally reads any subdir of /media/card Jun 01 03:19:45 when i try to ls /media/card it gets frozen Jun 01 03:20:11 * flyback slaps CSMan with http://flyback.databurn.net/Jeroen%20Tel%20-%20Alternative%20Fuel%20-%20C64%20(6581r3).ogg Jun 01 03:40:47 * flyback is about to insert his fist into the sd slot on his pda Jun 01 03:41:03 lol Jun 01 04:12:30 Greetings ! Jun 01 06:49:31 good morning all Jun 01 07:16:20 _law_: raymond added pwlib, so you should be able to add ekiga :) Jun 01 07:37:02 is there any form of lynx console web browser in oe yet ? Jun 01 07:38:12 links? Jun 01 07:38:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r73903cef... 10/packages/pwlib/pwlib_1.6.6.4.bb: pwlib 1.6.6.4: change SRC_IRU to use DEBIAN_MIRROR and sent default_pref to -1, since it doesn't fetch Jun 01 07:39:43 koen, great thanks Jun 01 07:54:51 morning Jun 01 07:56:53 RP: did you get a patch from liam? Jun 01 07:57:19 XorA: I did Jun 01 07:57:43 XorA: Just need time to deal with it though. The risk in applying it is it breaks other things Jun 01 07:57:46 RP: cool, any chance of it going into OE today, I was wanting to take Z to LUG tonight if Liam is there Jun 01 07:58:00 RP: or give me a link to it and Ill test it Jun 01 07:59:59 XorA: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/alsa/asoc-v0.10rc8.patch Jun 01 08:00:19 RP: cheers Jun 01 08:00:30 what library uses -lfl as linker call ? Jun 01 08:02:08 libfl is flex, iirc Jun 01 08:03:15 ok thanks Jun 01 08:04:30 morning all Jun 01 08:05:10 that new stuff from amd is pretty cool Jun 01 08:05:18 gcc 4.0.2, otoh isn't Jun 01 08:05:24 ~lart gcc ICEs Jun 01 08:05:25 * ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on gcc ICEs Jun 01 08:05:59 XorA: You'll need to remove the asoc_fixup patch which should be safe to do Jun 01 08:06:26 what does loads of similar lines to this mean ? monotone: warning: discarding revision data packet 85f30e87a0ea20e49de001fea723943e6cf3417c with unmet dependencies Jun 01 08:07:06 that means someone has commit a revisions with ancestors that aren't in your db Jun 01 08:07:12 i.e. in another branch Jun 01 08:07:32 committed* Jun 01 08:07:48 ah Jun 01 08:08:19 RP: yup, already done that :-) Jun 01 08:09:06 * koen starts his jet engine Jun 01 08:09:12 stupid x86 overheating crap Jun 01 08:09:15 * XorA hides from koen Jun 01 08:09:35 ~lart emacs PSUs Jun 01 08:09:36 * ibot drops a truckload of VAXen on emacs PSUs Jun 01 08:09:36 koen: my amd64 case was so hot yesterday I couldnt touch it :-( Jun 01 08:09:49 my amd cpu aren't getting too hot Jun 01 08:09:53 XorA: It builds so O Jun 01 08:10:00 the stinking PSU is a 'server' one Jun 01 08:10:01 XorA: so I'll probably push the change Jun 01 08:10:28 RP: Ill be testing in about 10 mins, my CEO appears to be out of office today :-) Jun 01 08:11:24 XorA: ok, fingers crossed :) Jun 01 08:21:23 lol http://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2006/06/01/0 Jun 01 08:24:41 morning Jun 01 08:25:47 koen: I 'deactivated' the survey :} Jun 01 08:26:59 zecke: now time to work on results Jun 01 08:28:24 zecke: don't forget to add a news story to the OE site Jun 01 08:30:05 and let it be something more then 2 sentences... Jun 01 08:30:40 hrw|work: hehe Jun 01 08:31:04 hrw|work: my ask for assistance mail is only two sentences Jun 01 08:31:31 hrw|work: criticism? Jun 01 08:31:59 zecke: add content -> story -> publishing options Jun 01 08:32:21 remove the "promoted to frontpage" tick and send the url for hrw to review :) Jun 01 08:32:33 reboot, brb Jun 01 08:32:37 zecke: OE site looks ugly with big headers and small text boxes Jun 01 08:37:04 koen: gpe-calendar_cvs is 0.73+cvs??? Jun 01 08:37:15 hey RP, what machine does qemuarm emulate? (kernel-wise) Jun 01 08:37:17 XorA: ooops... Jun 01 08:37:34 koen: want me to fix? Jun 01 08:37:36 integrator-cp? Jun 01 08:37:39 XorA: please do Jun 01 08:37:48 lab on qemu-arm would be really great. Jun 01 08:41:51 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r8224b6df... 10/packages/gpe-calendar/gpe-calendar_cvs.bb: gpe-calendar_cvs.bb : correct ${PV} from 0.73+ to 0.72+ Jun 01 08:42:34 XorA: and I bet florian will release 0.73 today :) Jun 01 08:42:56 hi koen Jun 01 08:43:31 hmm Jun 01 08:43:31 hey woglinde Jun 01 08:43:37 going back with the PV? Jun 01 08:52:09 zecke: the PV was based on a non existant version Jun 01 08:53:01 RP: slightly longer than 10 mins, I didnt realise how many packages had changed in 2 weeks :-) Jun 01 08:53:04 XorA: now people build the existing version but the non-existing one won't be replaced :} Jun 01 08:53:19 anyway, it was not part of any release I know Jun 01 08:53:29 zecke: it was DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = -1 Jun 01 08:53:42 even better, I shut up :) Jun 01 08:54:20 zecke: nah, its a valid question, we should force gpe to make a pretend 0.73 release :-) Jun 01 08:54:40 * XorA gets the whip out Jun 01 08:54:42 hehe Jun 01 08:56:36 if they hurry up with 0.73 we can ship it in oz 3541 Jun 01 08:56:47 people will like the new webcal support Jun 01 08:57:05 and colours! Jun 01 08:57:11 colours? Jun 01 08:57:14 colors? Jun 01 08:57:18 XorA: .dev or oz354x? Jun 01 08:57:40 RP: .dev Jun 01 08:57:48 zecke: like this: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/images/cal/cal-day.png Jun 01 08:58:01 udev-utils postinst is broken, update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/udev_network_queue.sh: file does not exist Jun 01 08:58:34 zecke: it can now use the .ics files iCal puts in my webdav Jun 01 08:59:51 XorA: When you do get it going, could you check audio still resumes ok if you suspend whilst playing please? Jun 01 08:59:53 koen: I have seen neal's work already :) Jun 01 09:00:19 koen: hmm, looks improved, the margins are bad/ugly :} Jun 01 09:00:27 koen: placing of '23' and 'May' Jun 01 09:00:37 koen: but worst is the '2' in front of weeks Jun 01 09:00:50 that uhm... Jun 01 09:00:59 might have to do with my hacks to the theme Jun 01 09:01:29 but is looks improved, could use some cairo love.. but looks usable Jun 01 09:02:02 all the gtk widgets in that screenshot are already rendered thru cairo :) Jun 01 09:02:25 but the event bubbles could use some AA Jun 01 09:02:28 koen: why is the edge on "Usertest HMI" looking so bad? Jun 01 09:02:32 hehe Jun 01 09:02:48 koen: can gpe-calendar still do the classic PDA resolution Jun 01 09:02:59 yes Jun 01 09:03:25 I should find some time to hack on my timetracker again :} Jun 01 09:03:28 if you mean qvga :) Jun 01 09:03:34 not 160x160 palms Jun 01 09:04:38 koen: in palmos it does not matter does it is 160x160 or 320x320 - datebook looks like crap in both situations Jun 01 09:04:51 :) Jun 01 09:05:38 koen: do you plan to clone neal to improve addressbook and todolist as well? Jun 01 09:05:46 thats why I moved from palmos to linuxpda Jun 01 09:06:01 zecke: I hope so Jun 01 09:06:18 zecke: I hope his wife will complain about the other pim stuff as well :) Jun 01 09:06:56 koen *g* Jun 01 09:06:57 koen: ah that is his driving force? Jun 01 09:07:16 zecke: yes, he gave his wife a 770 Jun 01 09:07:25 and now he has to make it useable :) Jun 01 09:07:38 koen: okay, I'm confident complaining is a natural law for wife's Jun 01 09:07:59 koen: luckily he is not a lawyer, he would have sued nokia :} Jun 01 09:09:35 so Jun 01 09:13:03 ;)) Jun 01 09:13:42 great Jun 01 09:13:59 my a780 will be delivered next wednesday Jun 01 09:14:49 koen yeah Jun 01 09:14:58 that sucks a bit Jun 01 09:15:03 why? Jun 01 09:15:13 since I'll be in a plane then Jun 01 09:15:24 hm holiday? Jun 01 09:15:29 yes Jun 01 09:15:33 where? Jun 01 09:15:41 barbados Jun 01 09:15:47 uh Jun 01 09:16:01 25th anniversary of my parents wedding Jun 01 09:16:01 no fall like here in mideurope Jun 01 09:16:18 they life on barbados? Jun 01 09:16:27 hehe Jun 01 09:16:43 koen: do they have a big house in barbados? Jun 01 09:16:49 nope Jun 01 09:16:58 * zecke votes for the first OE conference to take place in barbados - regardles Jun 01 09:17:02 lol Jun 01 09:17:12 prpplague lives there Jun 01 09:17:19 prpplague is in barbados Jun 01 09:17:22 so I'm bringing him some local beer :) Jun 01 09:17:23 d'oh, 7 seconds late Jun 01 09:17:40 hehe grolsch Jun 01 09:18:41 woglinde: actually http://www.huttenkloas.nl/ Jun 01 09:18:58 although the grolsch plant is a bit closer to my house Jun 01 09:19:02 but not much Jun 01 09:19:34 I know Jun 01 09:19:39 we tlaked about that Jun 01 09:20:05 RP: erk, asoc is busted totally Jun 01 09:20:16 just letting you know there's another brewery close by :) Jun 01 09:20:24 :) Jun 01 09:20:32 hm seems to bee darkbeer Jun 01 09:20:34 XorA: 3 months of patches made me worry this would happen Jun 01 09:20:43 (ignoring those crazy physics student brewing their own) Jun 01 09:20:47 no english website Jun 01 09:20:49 RP: ALSA sound/core/oss/pcm_oss.c:573: snd_pcm_oss_prepare: SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE failed Jun 01 09:21:09 woglinde: I'm glad they have a dutch website, not one in the local dialect Jun 01 09:21:17 koen: take some IPA to prpplague, he misses is bless him Jun 01 09:21:21 RP: when using oss, the using alsa I get no dmesg, but this from mplayer alsa-play: pcm prepare error: Invalid argument Jun 01 09:21:24 alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:137:(sync_ptr1) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_SYNC_PTR failed: File descriptor in bad state Jun 01 09:21:42 lol Jun 01 09:21:51 witbier is weizen Jun 01 09:21:56 XorA: Its probably best if Liam addresses this :-/ Jun 01 09:22:10 XorA: It certainly looks broken... Jun 01 09:22:48 XorA: Send him an email and he'll probably appear online Jun 01 09:23:06 koen how taste the landbier? Jun 01 09:23:27 RP: whats his email again? Jun 01 09:23:31 I uhmm, only had the 'goudbier' Jun 01 09:23:54 which was a bit like Erdinger Jun 01 09:24:07 XorA: liam.girdwood@wolfsonmicro.com Jun 01 09:24:16 :( I dont like weizen and weissbier Jun 01 09:24:37 okay Jun 01 09:24:43 have to do something Jun 01 09:25:06 Some of the beers I've had in Europe tasted like lemonade... Jun 01 09:27:13 RP: soap water Jun 01 09:27:33 ade|desk: :) Jun 01 09:28:07 RP: want me to add you to CC? if so what addr Jun 01 09:28:30 XorA: rpurdie@rpsys.net Jun 01 09:30:18 RP: did you get RTC over reboot working? Jun 01 09:30:31 XorA: I've not looked yet Jun 01 09:30:55 RP: it just reserved it for me, maybe that script that saves it is finallyu working Jun 01 09:31:18 We shouldn't need a script Jun 01 09:31:59 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r24790a55... 10/packages/zlib/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add zlib Jun 01 09:32:10 reserved is not the word I meant, but I suddenly suffer brain blank Jun 01 09:32:26 preserved ;-) Jun 01 09:32:35 RP: cheers Jun 01 09:32:51 * XorA looks suspicious at the kernel version, this aint right Jun 01 09:33:56 new modules with old version of ASoC? Jun 01 09:35:24 RP: very possibly, I am reflashing to make sure that I do have right kernel Jun 01 09:38:06 "and of course X until it is fixed, or never, whichever comes first)" Jun 01 09:38:08 lol Jun 01 09:39:47 hi Liam Jun 01 09:39:58 hey Marcin Jun 01 09:40:01 morning all Jun 01 09:40:07 hi Liam Jun 01 09:40:28 RP: I appear to have broken something..... :( Jun 01 09:40:43 hi liam Jun 01 09:41:24 RP: now, defineately the right kernel/modules, still same errors Jun 01 09:41:31 XorA: would you be able to enable the debug in soc-core.c and send me the output ? Jun 01 09:41:43 lrg: sure Jun 01 09:41:56 is soc-core.c in the kernel or a module Jun 01 09:42:10 XorA: it's a module Jun 01 09:42:16 re Jun 01 09:42:25 lrg: It appears so :-(. Hopefully something simple... Jun 01 09:42:45 rp maybee you got a mixed Jun 01 09:42:47 RP: fingers crossed ;) Jun 01 09:42:49 with fanta and bier Jun 01 09:42:57 ups beer Jun 01 09:42:58 *g* Jun 01 10:07:58 re lrg Jun 01 10:09:47 Anyone here intersted in discussing touch screen experiences with me? Jun 01 10:10:06 experiences? Jun 01 10:10:27 hmmm.... that was a dodgy question wasn't it. Jun 01 10:11:05 koen, ok before i had do complete my gpe-build... Jun 01 10:11:05 tslib's variance and dejitter plugins aren't filtering out some jumpiness on my ipaq Jun 01 10:12:28 morning Jun 01 10:13:02 hey lardman|work Jun 01 10:13:24 * koen mails his gradelist to google Jun 01 10:13:59 I'm working on rx3715 support. was wondering if there is jumpiness on others. Jun 01 10:22:14 <_schurig> myopiate: sometimes extreme jumpiness is a hardware problem Jun 01 10:22:19 lrg: was that any help? Jun 01 10:22:33 <_schurig> myopiate: e.g. when the case puts too much pressure onto one side or corner of the LCD Display/touch screen Jun 01 10:22:59 XorA: yes, I'm trying to reproduce now... Jun 01 10:23:10 <_schurig> myopiate: that can often happen after the device fell onto the floor Jun 01 10:24:01 _schurig, :( I've dropped it a number of times... but PocketPC seems to be fine. Jun 01 10:25:54 _schurig, I agree that it could be a hardware issue. but I think the ts controller in the rx3715 may need some extra twiddling above what is already done by tslib Jun 01 10:28:44 XorA, doesnt gpe-calendar_cvs build? Jun 01 10:28:55 law__: it does Jun 01 10:29:20 XorA, what version of libeventdb are you using? Jun 01 10:29:26 law__: _cvs Jun 01 10:29:41 XorA, ok thanks i?ll also try this now Jun 01 10:29:55 XorA, is your gpe-image ready? Jun 01 10:29:58 law__: and libgpevtype/libgpewidget _cvs asd well Jun 01 10:30:05 law__: no, gpesyncd fails Jun 01 10:30:11 XorA, ok Jun 01 10:30:25 law__: and libandoff Jun 01 10:30:42 and probably another could that koen will remind Jun 01 10:31:36 see oe@ Jun 01 10:31:52 speaking of dropping it... I did it again :-( Jun 01 10:31:52 (the mail from marcos a few days ago) Jun 01 10:35:49 hrw|work, zecke: http://www.openembedded.org/survey-completed-results-pending Jun 01 10:36:30 myopiate: jumpiness might also be a bug in your low-level driver. Does the rx3715 use the samcop adc driver, or does it have its own? Jun 01 10:37:45 The driver is the one written for the h1940, s3c2410 ts controller I do believe. Jun 01 10:38:25 pb_, when you say samcop driver do you mean that one? Jun 01 10:38:35 not sure. what's it called? Jun 01 10:38:40 the samcop one is named "samcop_adc" Jun 01 10:38:42 zecke, hrw|work: edit it and and then do 'publishing options -> promoted to frontpage' Jun 01 10:38:54 myopiate: you could try comparing the code and see if they are doing anything differently. Jun 01 10:39:32 koen: maybe publish that info after survey results will get summarized Jun 01 10:40:03 hrw|work: talk to zecke :) Jun 01 10:40:13 koen, zecke: otherwise we will get: "survey started", "survey ended", ....., "survey results" Jun 01 10:40:39 pb_, it's called s3c2410_ts Jun 01 10:40:51 ~lart sf.net and wordpress 2.0.2+ Jun 01 10:40:52 * ibot plops sf.net and wordpress 2.0.2+ into a giant vat of herring Jun 01 10:41:02 myopiate: sounds like a different one then Jun 01 10:41:32 I will have a quick look at the driver code. Jun 01 10:41:36 thanks pb_ Jun 01 10:52:45 I think it maybe xserver or gpe related. the tslib test program work really sweet. but gpe seems to be freaking out. Jun 01 10:56:33 <_schurig> koen: when I look at this page using Konq 3.5.2, then I see a dark-greyish bar over the whole width of the page near "Repository" Jun 01 10:57:02 <_schurig> koen: at other pages, this bar is near the bottom of the screen (but it doesn't look nice there either) Jun 01 10:57:37 <_schurig> koen: hmm, the bar is there with Firefox as well Jun 01 10:58:42 someone remember who created OE website layout? Jun 01 10:59:19 <_schurig> hrw|work: maybe mickey or kergoth, I dunno Jun 01 11:01:39 hrw|work: I'm busy atm :} Jun 01 11:01:59 hrw|work: do you have access or do you want access to the survey database? Jun 01 11:02:45 when compiling for i386 from i686 some weird stuff is happening half way though ccache i386-linux-uclibc-gcc changes to ccache gcc ... wtf ? Jun 01 11:03:10 zecke: I do not have. having access could be nice Jun 01 11:03:53 ade|desk: ask our friend strace Jun 01 11:05:06 http://www.ime.usp.br/%7Efr/sbc/ Jun 01 11:10:39 hrw|work: cterry Jun 01 11:11:02 _schurig: it's the footer bar, which is a bit broken with the current css Jun 01 11:11:02 koen: author? Jun 01 11:11:08 iirc, yes Jun 01 11:11:44 the stuff is in ~/website/themes/oe/ Jun 01 11:13:16 _schurig: and now the bar is gone :) Jun 01 11:13:43 <_schurig> koen: yes, better :-) Jun 01 11:21:16 'Churn is needed on the new package edge.' - can someone translate it to normal english Jun 01 11:21:21 hi mithro cbrake Jun 01 11:22:00 hey hrw|work Jun 01 11:23:03 NOTE: package gpe-calendar-0.72+cvs20060514: completed :-) Jun 01 11:23:44 since when is churn needed? Jun 01 11:23:52 I always thought churn is a bad thing Jun 01 11:25:03 koen: ~dict churn Jun 01 11:25:46 ~dict churn Jun 01 11:25:48 Dictionary 'churn' (1 of 7): \Churn\, v. i. To perform the operation of churning. [1913 Webster]. Jun 01 11:25:54 ~dict churning Jun 01 11:25:56 Dictionary 'churning' (1 of 4): moving with or producing or produced by vigorous agitation; "winds whipped the piled leaves into churning masses"; "a car stuck in the churned-up mud" . Jun 01 11:26:42 that's what I thought Jun 01 11:26:57 hrw|work: that sentence is nonsense in english I think Jun 01 11:27:24 looks like those machine generated sentences that spam consists of these days Jun 01 11:28:56 XorA: whats wrong with the english ? Jun 01 11:29:01 looks fine to me Jun 01 11:29:11 XorA: it's from the survey Jun 01 11:29:29 I suspect it's meant to say "to much churn with keeping up to date" Jun 01 11:29:54 ah Jun 01 11:30:48 ade|desk: I have no idea what the edge of a new package is or why it is churning Jun 01 11:32:00 hows life? Jun 01 11:32:38 i guess it should really be: "Churn is needed on the new package Edge" to make sense Jun 01 11:33:15 edge being a named object Jun 01 11:33:42 ade|desk: english only capitalisises "Proper" nouns Jun 01 11:34:00 * XorA should learn to unhold the shift key before the next letter as well Jun 01 11:34:15 and Edge can't be a prpoer noun ? Jun 01 11:34:52 though I think koens guess as to the meaning is probably the best Jun 01 11:35:07 3 things which people do not like in OE: monotone, docs, .dev Jun 01 11:35:33 indeed i think koen's guess is what the author intended Jun 01 11:35:51 hrw|work: at least OE is not part of this list Jun 01 11:36:02 and the one thing OE don't like : users ;) Jun 01 11:36:27 ~users Jun 01 11:36:30 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. Jun 01 11:36:54 lol Jun 01 11:37:55 who wants to volunteer to integrate the results into the OE site? Jun 01 11:38:05 zecke: you got the details on that survey yet? Jun 01 11:38:06 koen: which results? Jun 01 11:38:21 blah [......] 50% Jun 01 11:38:24 ~dict accuses Jun 01 11:38:26 could not find definition for accuses Jun 01 11:38:27 bar [....] 25% Jun 01 11:38:39 koen: Sure.. Jun 01 11:38:42 ade|desk: accusations Jun 01 11:38:48 indeed Jun 01 11:38:55 NAbyss: good! Jun 01 11:38:58 I think we can safely say 99% of embedded linux developers prefer OE (we can fix the statistics later :-) Jun 01 11:38:59 mithro: well, you can help Jun 01 11:38:59 pedant ? Jun 01 11:39:18 XorA: 98.79% of OE devs like OE :} Jun 01 11:40:13 XorA: depends on your tolerance for the hypothesis Jun 01 11:40:27 is there any alternative ? :] Jun 01 11:40:32 if you dont state them , you cant be wrong Jun 01 11:40:43 reminds me of an Orange add I once saw at the bus stop, 80% of customers prefer Orange small print at bottom, based on a survey of 72 Orange customers Jun 01 11:40:46 theturtle: buildroot Jun 01 11:40:54 zecke, koen: What needs to be done with the stats? Jun 01 11:41:04 NAbyss: create the stats Jun 01 11:41:05 skewed Jun 01 11:41:29 hmm i have build gpe-calendar-0.72+cvs20060514-r1 but if i try do build a gpe-image bitbake always tries to build gpe-calendar-0.72 and this one fails :-( Jun 01 11:41:50 zecke: Easily done... do we have any predefined hypotheses to test, or is it just 'this sounds interesting/positive..'? Jun 01 11:41:52 PREFERRED_VERSION_gpe-calendar = "0.72+cvs20060514 Jun 01 11:57:01 <_schurig> zecke: more for your stats: 1% of OE devs don't like monotone :-) (that's me) Jun 01 11:58:05 <_schurig> XorA: you cannot say that 99% of embedded linux develoers prefer OE ... you can say that X% of embedded linux developers that participated into this survey prefer OE. Jun 01 11:58:22 _schurig: did you participate in the survey? Jun 01 11:58:31 _schurig: and not liking math is :) Jun 01 11:58:49 <_schurig> zecke: no, didn't know there was any Jun 01 11:59:13 _schurig: lol Jun 01 11:59:22 <_schurig> zecke: just realized today that there was a survery, when you guys talked about closing the survery and working on the results Jun 01 11:59:26 _schurig: missed oppurtunity then (it was even on linuxdevices) Jun 01 11:59:37 _schurig: 100% OE devs like monotone Jun 01 11:59:42 _schurig: do you not had advertisers in your country? Jun 01 11:59:44 _schurig: 1% did not participate Jun 01 11:59:52 <_schurig> zecke: I don't read LD soooo often, mostly when I'm mildly bored. Did not happen the last weeks too often Jun 01 12:00:08 hehe Jun 01 12:00:11 zecke: The other devs couldn't work out how to commit their survey results into mtn? ;) Jun 01 12:00:49 lrg: patching and building now Jun 01 12:00:58 <_schurig> zecke: he? I guess that many more did not participate in this survey. There are many embedded linux developers that are forced to use MontaVista by their company, e.g. many of those people that you can read on the busybox GPL violation page :-) Jun 01 12:01:00 NAbyss: hehe Jun 01 12:01:49 XorA, gpe-today builds ? Jun 01 12:01:58 law__: nope Jun 01 12:03:27 XorA, so we are now at the same stage :-) Jun 01 12:03:35 gpe-today is still stuck in old-api land, iirc Jun 01 12:03:59 zecke, koen: Anyways, let me know what you want done w/ the survey stuff if help's needed Jun 01 12:04:19 NAbyss: the hypothesis we had was: People are using OpenEmbedded Jun 01 12:04:25 zecke: could you coordinate that? Jun 01 12:04:29 NAbyss: they are mainly duing this on XScale cores Jun 01 12:04:37 koen: not really, deadlines :} Jun 01 12:05:06 I'm mostly internetless after to night Jun 01 12:05:35 is there any way to disable gpe-today in the local.conf? Jun 01 12:05:56 koen, going cold turkey Jun 01 12:06:43 Ext2 execute in place support (EXT2_FS_XIP) [N/y/?] (NEW) ? Jun 01 12:06:43 Execute in place can be used on memory-backed block devices. If you Jun 01 12:06:43 enable this option, you can select to mount block devices which are Jun 01 12:06:43 capable of this feature without using the page cache. Jun 01 12:06:43 If you do not use a block device that is capable of using this, Jun 01 12:06:44 or if unsure, say N. Jun 01 12:06:48 hmm API changes in GPE land... this is the free Software disease Jun 01 12:06:49 Crofton: work and after that holiday :) Jun 01 12:06:55 since when did ext2 get XIP? Jun 01 12:07:07 mithro: a few weeks ago Jun 01 12:07:18 that is pretty cool Jun 01 12:07:24 can it be helpful for OZ? Jun 01 12:07:29 need to get back to this paper again Jun 01 12:07:30 I wonder if it works on sd or md Jun 01 12:08:20 <_schurig> koen: AFAIK no Jun 01 12:08:25 koen: that was I was thinking Jun 01 12:08:41 but you would have to access the sd/md directly instead of over block device? Jun 01 12:09:02 <_schurig> koen: SD or MD is not really memory-backed. Sure, they have memory, but this memory is not addressable normally via the address bus, e.g. you cannot load the PC of the CPU with an address of the MC/SD card Jun 01 12:09:24 law__: edit task-gpe.bb Jun 01 12:10:05 zecke: yah, it sucks Jun 01 12:14:25 _schurig: ahh i guess you are right Jun 01 12:14:59 mithro: if you turn of compression, you can use XIP on jffs2 Jun 01 12:15:21 it's slow however? Jun 01 12:16:14 <_schurig> mithro: that depends. If you're low on RAM, then you save RAM and you app can therefore be faster. Jun 01 12:17:04 <_schurig> mithro: however, usually access times to SDRAM are faster than to Flash, so XIP might be slower, because the CPU needs more time getting the program from Flash into it's cache/execution pipeline Jun 01 12:37:42 * chouimat is back. Jun 01 12:38:17 pb__: :( Jun 01 12:38:31 NAbyss: hrw|work : how much time do you have? Jun 01 12:38:36 mickeyl: ping? Jun 01 12:42:07 zecke: Hm, quite a bit of time tomorrow Jun 01 12:42:26 heh Jun 01 12:42:28 http://www.robot101.net/2006/06/01/if-n00b-warning/ Jun 01 12:43:20 foo can be !moo && moo->not_moo() Jun 01 12:43:36 zecke: I do not go to gym today so ~2h can find maybe - more during weekend if needed Jun 01 12:43:58 $2b or !$2b? Jun 01 12:45:43 koen: in previous company one of code reviews during interview had similar trick. 3 for() loops was inside and you had to tell value of one variable which was changing in each loop. but as there was one ";" after first for() rest of them was looped only once... Jun 01 12:46:07 heh Jun 01 12:46:33 koen: simple test for debugging capabilities :D Jun 01 12:51:42 let someone kill^H^Hck my coworker... Jun 01 12:52:16 oh Jun 01 12:52:46 hrw|work: a luser? Jun 01 12:52:50 XorA: total Jun 01 12:53:08 hrw|work: killall -9 Jun 01 12:54:50 ~seen CoreDump|home Jun 01 12:55:04 coredump|home was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 18h 17m 34s ago, saying: 'rotation*'. Jun 01 13:08:08 morning guys Jun 01 13:08:40 mickeyl: hey Jun 01 13:09:36 hi mickeyl Jun 01 13:12:23 Moin Jun 01 13:12:34 hrw|work: PIL is working out pretty well :-) Jun 01 13:13:06 cbrake: good to hear Jun 01 13:13:56 cbrake: morning (~9:30 in your place?) Jun 01 13:14:14 hrw|work: yes -- what is your localtime? Jun 01 13:14:34 15:28 Jun 01 13:15:43 someone here use mysql from OE? Jun 01 13:16:06 yeah Jun 01 13:17:33 pb__: I split it into mysql-client mysql-server - can you review patch? Jun 01 13:18:06 pb__: http://oe.pastebin.com/751254 Jun 01 13:19:02 hrw|work: inherit binconfig? Jun 01 13:19:18 hrw|work: you need to make a mysql pseudo-package that depends on -client and -server, otherwise you will break any existing dependencies. Jun 01 13:19:40 pb__: ok Jun 01 13:19:56 also, it seems like a bad idea to hard-code "/usr" in the FILES. Jun 01 13:20:07 if there isn't a dedicated directory for ${prefix}/libexec, write it like that. Jun 01 13:20:13 er, dedicated variable Jun 01 13:20:14 ok Jun 01 13:20:56 other than that it looks basically fine Jun 01 13:23:02 for all the people with a newsreader: http://www.openembedded.org/aggregator/rss Jun 01 13:27:22 koen: it already inherit binconfig Jun 01 13:35:25 http://oe.pastebin.com/751290 - after your comments Jun 01 13:37:41 * koen changes the 404 page a bit Jun 01 13:38:37 better Jun 01 13:38:46 make it ALLOW_EMPTY_${PN}, not just ALLOW_EMPTY Jun 01 13:39:06 and, if you're going to say "RDEPENDS_${PN}", say ${PN} rather than "mysql" in PACKAGES Jun 01 13:39:17 other than that, it looks fine Jun 01 13:39:56 ok Jun 01 13:44:44 03noodles 07org.oe.dev * r82437c61... 10/packages/mtd/mtd-utils_1.0.0.bb: Jun 01 13:44:44 mtd-utils: Add 1.0.0 release. Jun 01 13:44:44 Note that the CVS pulls will be preferred over this at present as they're Jun 01 13:44:44 deemed as having a larger version number. Jun 01 13:50:19 ~lart WinXP for requiring reboots Jun 01 13:50:20 * ibot teaches WinXP that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. for requiring reboots Jun 01 13:51:03 * lardman thinks that that won't really bother WinXP Jun 01 13:56:35 03erik 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rc1dbb670... 10/ (14 files in 12 dirs): Continue to add missing files to the branch. Jun 01 14:07:59 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rd90abde2... 10/packages/mysql/mysql_4.1.18.bb: Jun 01 14:07:59 mysql: split packaging - mysql -> mysql-client + mysql-server Jun 01 14:07:59 - list of files taken from Debian mysql 5.0 packaging Jun 01 14:07:59 - empty 'mysql' package provided to not break upgrading Jun 01 14:07:59 taken from .dev Jun 01 14:08:03 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6d12b8cd... 10/packages/wpa-supplicant/ (files/wpa-supplicant.sh wpa-supplicant_0.4.8.bb): Jun 01 14:08:05 wpa-supplicant: added script from OZ wiki to autostart wpa-supplicant Jun 01 14:08:07 - user has to manually set wlan0 info in /etc/network/interfaces to use this Jun 01 14:08:09 - script taken from http://wiki.openzaurus.org/HowTos/roaming_with_wpa_supplicant Jun 01 14:08:11 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r21bea129... 10/packages/mysql/mysql_4.1.18.bb: Jun 01 14:08:13 mysql: split packaging - mysql -> mysql-client + mysql-server Jun 01 14:08:15 - list of files taken from Debian mysql 5.0 packaging Jun 01 14:08:17 - empty 'mysql' package provided to not break upgrading Jun 01 14:10:24 Is there a reason that .comment lines are left in binaries created by OE? It would save a 300-1500 bytes per binary and library. Jun 01 14:11:00 * hrw|work do not know Jun 01 14:12:47 joshin: use sstrip if you want to get as-small-as-possible binaries Jun 01 14:13:57 Thanks hrw. I have a build going with the -fno-ident CFLAG since I didn't know of sstrip. Jun 01 14:16:41 joshin: iirc openwrt guys use sstrip Jun 01 14:42:44 anyone know where uClibc-locale-030818.arm.tgz maybe these days ? Jun 01 14:43:05 UCLIBC_LOCALE_URI_arm = "http://openembedded.org/dl/uclibc-locale in days of old Jun 01 14:44:10 hi dirk Jun 01 14:44:12 ade|desk: one moment Jun 01 14:45:41 ade|desk: uclibc-locale is back up Jun 01 14:46:16 cheers Jun 01 15:03:27 cu Jun 01 15:21:15 CosmicPenguin: is AMD working on getting ekiga into OE? Jun 01 15:21:44 ekiga? Jun 01 15:22:09 ~google ekiga Jun 01 15:22:25 oh, wow Jun 01 15:22:27 no Jun 01 15:22:29 why? Jun 01 15:25:46 CosmicPenguin: since you added pwlib and openh323 Jun 01 15:25:52 oh Jun 01 15:26:01 thats old school - Ray just figured he would clean out the whole pantry Jun 01 15:26:21 I wanted to add it at one time, but the dependencies got the best of me Jun 01 15:26:27 same here :) Jun 01 15:26:30 GnomeMeeting was a bitch to compile at one time Jun 01 15:26:39 pwlib is ..... Jun 01 15:26:41 different Jun 01 15:26:58 and not in a good way Jun 01 15:27:48 and it generates libpt* packages Jun 01 15:27:59 (if gcc 4 would stop ICEing) Jun 01 15:30:21 why is it iceing? Jun 01 15:31:05 because it's so cool Jun 01 15:31:19 if I knew I'd fix it Jun 01 15:32:00 time for food Jun 01 15:33:01 koen: are you around tomorrow? Jun 01 15:33:05 * zecke heads to the gym now Jun 01 15:33:20 pumping iron? Jun 01 15:33:59 yeah baby Jun 01 15:34:07 taking steroids and pumping iron Jun 01 15:34:25 I think I have that movie in my netflix queue somewhere :) Jun 01 15:34:39 zecke: when you enter worlds strongest man remeber to wear OE t-shirt Jun 01 15:35:00 sure! Jun 01 15:35:29 make sure to make it not S, not L not XXL, but Mr.World Size Jun 01 15:36:14 reminds me, must get my fat arse round to a diet and exercise Jun 01 15:36:26 no kidding Jun 01 15:36:27 same here Jun 01 15:36:35 15 kilos too many Jun 01 15:36:38 *sigh* Jun 01 15:36:56 probably about 20 kilos excess here Jun 01 15:37:05 not up on these wierd metric weights Jun 01 15:37:12 heh Jun 01 15:37:20 what's that in inches? :)) Jun 01 15:37:23 or was it gallons? Jun 01 15:37:56 56lbs anyway Jun 01 15:38:06 * mickey|bbiab waits for his boss to go home so he can print the 1200 pages PXA 270 Developer Manual on the office printer Jun 01 15:44:24 mickey|bbiab: ! Jun 01 15:45:06 after all, that's research isn't it? Jun 01 15:45:27 I guess so, after a fashion Jun 01 15:46:31 i'd prefer a book version of that. any idea whether it can be ordered? Jun 01 15:49:11 I think so, yeah. You certainly used to be able to buy the strongarm and pxa250 books in paper form. Jun 01 15:49:21 bye Jun 01 15:50:55 Have a look on the front page of the PDF. Is there a product code or something there? Jun 01 15:52:42 Order Number: 280000-003 Jun 01 15:54:18 now to find out where i can order it Jun 01 15:56:24 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rac5acb60... 10/packages/ethereal/ (ethereal-native_0.99.0.bb ethereal_0.99.0.bb): ethereal: remove workaround with -native version, delete -native Jun 01 15:56:31 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8c8527e8... 10/packages/efl/ (etox_0.9.0.004.bb etk_20060418.bb ewl_0.0.4.007.bb): etox: you are dead, go away Jun 01 15:56:35 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r91b77325... 10/packages/python/python-spydi_0.9.3.bb: python-spydi: fix SRC_URI Jun 01 15:56:39 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8d0b7e0f... 10/packages/qt/qt-x11-free_3.3.6.bb: qt-x11-free 3.3.6 fix using native tools Jun 01 15:56:44 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r12fab859... 10/packages/sip/sip4-native_4.4.3.bb: sip4-native: fix staging Jun 01 15:58:39 that'd be your friendly local intel distributor Jun 01 15:59:19 see the menus at http://developer.intel.com/buy/networking/handheld-handset.htm Jun 01 16:08:01 ~botmail for zecke: I might be around tomorrow evening, during the day I'll be in the middle of nowhere for work Jun 01 16:21:14 hi Jun 01 16:31:30 * Philippe is away: drinking is good for you! Jun 01 17:23:45 hrw|gone: viewmtn has the google analytics stuff as well now Jun 01 18:16:45 anyone got a arm binary of gnu tar? I need an image (static would be nice) for emergency recovery Jun 01 18:22:33 chuckr: it's on the OZ website for download.... Jun 01 18:23:59 really? OK, I'm checking, thanks! Jun 01 18:24:18 why would it be in the install guide if it wasn't there to download? Jun 01 18:26:57 you're talking about www.openzaurus.org, right? i don't see it in the download section, but still looking Jun 01 18:36:26 morning Jun 01 18:38:54 well, I've done all the looking (and searching) I can do, I still can't find a binary of gnu-tar on the openzauruis site Jun 01 18:39:26 chuckr: look in 3541-rc4 post Jun 01 18:39:40 chuckr: go into rc4 dir then images/spitz Jun 01 18:41:25 moment Jun 01 18:42:18 ok Jun 01 18:43:11 I don't know the site very well, can youo give me a url? Jun 01 18:43:45 not now - i irc from Z Jun 01 18:44:57 if you want me to look around like frtp, I need the topmost link Jun 01 18:45:25 1st post on OZ website Jun 01 18:47:53 I haven;t got very much familiarity with the sizes, so saying "OZ" site, well, it does sort of put me in my place (i'm a newbie all right) but doesn't help me too much Jun 01 18:48:17 you mean the www.openzaurus.org ?? It kleep on bringing up the sudir wordpress Jun 01 18:49:02 I thihnk I foound it Jun 01 18:49:38 ok, I found it Jun 01 18:50:15 cool Jun 01 18:50:53 hrw|husky: so husky means you are using your Z right now. Jun 01 18:51:14 hrw|husky: what type of IRC setup do you use so that you can connect from so many places? Jun 01 18:51:39 ircii/screen? Jun 01 18:51:41 cbrake: irssi on screen Jun 01 18:51:46 hm, close Jun 01 18:51:47 thanks, I finally have the page you're talking about, but none of them say tar or tools, is is maybe the misc image, or mauybe the gpe-image? Jun 01 18:52:12 chuckr: rc4/images/spitz/ Jun 01 18:52:34 yes, I have that, but it's got 5 tarballs in it, and one of them say that they are gnu-tar Jun 01 18:52:47 one-->none Jun 01 18:53:07 I found it Jun 01 18:53:22 sorry, i guess I'm having a bad day with all this screen switching Jun 01 18:53:43 thanks and sorry for driving you crazy, I'm finished with your end now, and thanks Jun 01 18:53:50 np Jun 01 18:53:55 really, I hate bothering you all this much Jun 01 18:55:55 raduga: hrw|husky: thx, time to check out screen .... Jun 01 18:56:24 screen is must have Jun 01 18:57:13 I have my binary, and I am happily recovering from my screwup (I killed my kernel) Jun 01 18:57:54 but this isn't my first emergency recovery, so while it's exciting, no big thing, really Jun 01 18:58:58 hrw|husky: are teh sharp-compat libs still in the oz feeds? Jun 01 18:59:17 koen: probably.. Jun 01 18:59:29 hmmm Jun 01 19:00:07 can they be removed? Jun 01 19:00:09 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openzaurus.devel/825 Jun 01 19:00:45 removed Jun 01 19:00:55 thanks Jun 01 19:00:58 likewise: hi Jun 01 19:01:06 hi hrw et al Jun 01 19:01:18 hrw|husky: Got Athlon64x2 yet? :-) Jun 01 19:02:13 hey likewise Jun 01 19:02:17 hrw|husky: I went the cheap way with a Asrock 959Dual-SATA2 board (55 EUR); could keep my old AGP card that way, and still use an Athlon64. Jun 01 19:02:22 koen: hey Jun 01 19:02:43 * koen google that board Jun 01 19:02:48 likewise: i do not have spare cash currently so will stay with my x86 Jun 01 19:03:14 koen: probly differently named, let me "tweak" it at tweakers.net Jun 01 19:03:28 heh Jun 01 19:03:41 I just have opened tweakers.net in my browser :) Jun 01 19:03:49 koen: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/122823 (939 of course) Jun 01 19:04:02 thanks Jun 01 19:04:18 http://tweakers.net/nieuws/41411/?highlight=asrock Jun 01 19:04:38 koen: that's a slightly different board (SLI32) Jun 01 19:04:47 I was missing the agp slot Jun 01 19:05:25 likewise: currently cheapest and most future is AM2 board with geforce6100 chipset + a64/am2 Jun 01 19:05:49 koen: The Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 is the only board I could find with 939 Athlon64 x2 support *and* AGP. Jun 01 19:05:54 hrw|husky: AGP? Jun 01 19:05:55 only memory need to replace ddr1 to ddr2 Jun 01 19:06:11 likewise: gfx onboard faster then my current gfx Jun 01 19:06:35 likewise: and free pcie x16 Jun 01 19:06:35 my current PSU is driving me insane Jun 01 19:06:59 my whole machine drives me insane... Jun 01 19:07:07 that too Jun 01 19:07:31 but the psu makes more noise as 2x outtake fans +2x cpu fans + 2x old hdd Jun 01 19:07:33 too unstable it is Jun 01 19:07:34 my graduation project drives me insane Jun 01 19:07:51 gpe-calendar drives me insane Jun 01 19:08:02 cu Jun 01 19:08:06 what except disabling libeventdb 0.30 do I have to do to make 0.72 build? Jun 01 19:08:07 insane in the membrane - insame in the brain! Jun 01 19:08:09 cu Jun 01 19:08:17 s/insame/insane Jun 01 19:08:23 pH5: that should be it Jun 01 19:09:44 hrm Jun 01 19:09:52 amd x2 3800+ is E250 Jun 01 19:09:56 too expensive Jun 01 19:10:07 * koen will stick with his 'old' setup for a while Jun 01 19:15:49 time to watch prison break Jun 01 19:15:52 later all Jun 01 19:20:03 cya koen Jun 01 19:23:52 woo! just installed 3.5.4.1/e- how do I login? :) Jun 01 19:24:34 nice login screen Jun 01 19:25:44 seriously- whats the login name and password, anyone? Jun 01 19:29:10 may i suggest this is a gaping omission from the OZ install/FAQ and HOWTOs Jun 01 19:31:16 danboid: I think you are in the wrong channel Jun 01 19:31:20 danboid: you need #openzaurus Jun 01 19:31:25 see topic Jun 01 19:32:27 oops! sorry koen! Jun 01 19:33:40 bitbake bug. Jun 01 19:33:59 making bootstrap-image results in automake-native being built before autoconf-native, despite it depending on it Jun 01 19:34:08 yet making automake-native does build autoconf-native first as it should Jun 01 19:34:12 * kergoth sighs Jun 01 19:34:23 ah, that explains a bit Jun 01 19:34:40 I thought I was doing something wrong Jun 01 19:34:54 not sure whats causing it, need to investigate further Jun 01 19:35:15 there's another more subtle bug in glibc and nptl, but don't have the time to research it Jun 01 19:36:03 bitbake insists on building glibc-i even it you have nptl disabled in org.oe.packaged-staging Jun 01 19:37:08 ~botmail for zecke: bitbake bug. bitbaking bootstrap-image violates a dependency. automake-native depends on autoconf-native, yet the latter isnt built first when building bootstrap-image. it is built first if you bitbake automake-native. Jun 01 19:37:26 * kergoth looks at the bug tracking system Jun 01 19:41:10 started poking at oe again like yesterday or the day before and already hit two issues, one a class bug, now this.. this doesnt bode well :P Jun 01 19:41:17 just trying to build a damn bootstrap image Jun 01 19:42:37 every now and then someone ask "who doesn't set " or "who uses " and the answer usually is "kergoth" Jun 01 19:42:56 see sanity.conf :) Jun 01 19:43:10 hello Jun 01 19:43:15 hey B_Lizzard Jun 01 19:43:19 I have a question Jun 01 19:43:21 hey Jun 01 19:43:26 Is there any way I can easily implement a text-mode user interface in my shell script? Jun 01 19:43:36 Keyboard-driven Jun 01 19:43:47 koen: that's because people are arbitrarily limiting flexibility for no reason. MACHINE isnt manditory. Jun 01 19:44:03 oe is clearly deviating from the original goals Jun 01 19:44:28 Sorry If i'm being off topic Jun 01 19:45:02 B_Lizzard: dialog is what you need Jun 01 19:46:12 and the latest issue is a bug, plain and simple. violating a dependency. Jun 01 19:46:21 * kergoth pokes at the current bb code Jun 01 19:47:27 thanks a bunch Jun 01 20:15:40 cu Jun 01 20:16:49 * chouimat is away: trying to get unbored Jun 01 20:24:57 'evening Jun 01 20:42:37 re - qpe- Jun 01 20:42:37 gaim this time Jun 01 20:50:13 found another bitbake bug, it doesnt seem to handle putting a directory rather than a glob in BBFILES anymore Jun 01 20:51:04 finds the files, but claims they're all "not a bitbake file" Jun 01 20:51:46 ? Jun 01 20:52:04 each .bb, bitbake errors saying it isnt a bitbake file Jun 01 20:52:20 but only if it finds it through BBFILES="/path/to/org.openembedded.dev/packages" rather than a glob Jun 01 20:52:35 which used to work fine. and if it no longer does, it should error immediately about it, not attempt and fail Jun 01 20:53:06 * kergoth wonders how many bugs he can find over the course of a day or two Jun 01 20:53:08 :) Jun 01 20:53:14 :) Jun 01 20:53:40 tis good, will make it more stable, but it bothers me that we dont have sufficient unit testing to catch this stuff. Jun 01 20:54:04 kergoth: well, the default local.conf has a glob, so people just tend to use that... good catch Jun 01 20:55:32 which is why we need unit testing, not users as our testers :) Jun 01 20:55:46 BBFILES="/path/to/*/*.bb" here Jun 01 20:56:22 but i use 1.4.x not trunk Jun 01 20:56:40 ~lart qpe-gaim irc mode.. Jun 01 20:56:40 * ibot raises middle finger to qpe-gaim irc mode.. Jun 01 20:56:54 yes, thats more common, but i figured it may be more efficient to allow it to handle traversal rather than expanding it all. was planning on comparing the parse times between the two Jun 01 20:56:59 i'm also using the latest release Jun 01 20:57:55 yep, unit tests are nice Jun 01 20:58:28 according to survey results people want .stable too Jun 01 20:58:30 kergoth: I didn't realise it even accepted directories, not that I've touched that area of the code :) Jun 01 21:03:54 RP: does zaurusd support c7x? Jun 01 21:04:13 imap is great. opie-mail on Z allow to look into mail without fetching all Jun 01 21:04:22 JustinP: c7x0? if so, yes Jun 01 21:04:46 justin:autorotate problems? Jun 01 21:05:05 RP: ok, thought so. This interrobang guy keeps asking the same questions... Jun 01 21:06:47 night all Jun 01 21:06:56 'night hrw|husky Jun 01 21:07:06 night hrw Jun 01 21:43:36 uhmmm.... the SD card was working fine a few days ago Jun 01 21:43:40 now is dead Jun 01 21:43:52 what could have happened ? Jun 01 21:51:33 Static electricity? Jun 01 21:51:44 Did you try it in a different machine or reader? Jun 01 22:15:07 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rde70e383... 10/packages/autofs/autofs_4.1.4.bb: autofs: inherit autotools *before* overriding EXTRA_OEMAKE Jun 01 22:15:11 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * re2638de9... 10/packages/util-linux/util-linux-native_2.12r.bb: util-linux-native: Do not include .inc file. Too much is overridden. Jun 01 22:15:15 03raymond 07org.oe.dev * rfdfebdd2... 10/packages/mpg321/mpg321_0.2.10.bb: mpg321: Add --with-ao-includes and --with-ao-libraries to avoid CROSS COMPILE gcc failure Jun 01 22:20:02 joshin: that's my next step, i thought sd cards were unvulnerable to static Jun 01 22:20:45 * CSMan was wrong Jun 01 22:20:46 it is dangerous to randomly tinker with GPIOs right? Jun 01 22:23:27 CSMan, I'm not sure. I do know that vacuum tubes are immune to static (with the exception of lightning) Jun 01 22:25:37 hmmm... i gotta try with another reader i guess Jun 01 22:41:27 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1d06e6b1... 10/conf/machine/ (a780.conf e680.conf include/motorola-ezx.conf): update ezx machine configurations Jun 01 22:41:31 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r6564927a... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-ezx: add patches to make e680 configuration build (HACKS!) Jun 01 23:04:14 my schema reading skills are a bit rusty... http://vanille.de/temp/leds.jpg - am I right with indicating that PCAP_LED_RG needs to be high in order to pass the setting of INDICATOR_CNTL_R|G through to the actual INDICATORs ? Jun 02 01:32:02 nobody else is seeing libtool-native non-compiling since yesterday? Jun 02 01:32:34 I have a oe snap from a few days ago and it doesn't have the problem - but it may be something in the nslu2 repo Jun 02 01:36:34 ok guys, i tested the SD card and it's in perfect conditions Jun 02 01:36:43 so i'm afraid the ipaq is fscked Jun 02 01:37:49 what can I do ? Jun 02 01:53:41 mickey|zzZZzz: it seems that if PCAP_LED_RG is high, INDICATOR_R/G will always be high due to current through the parasitic diodes. Jun 02 01:56:32 mickey|zzZZzz: its not obvious to me what the circuit is doing -- I suspect that INDICATOR_R/G need to be driven low to activate whatever they drive -- perhaps an LED. Jun 02 01:57:48 mickey|zzZZzz: in this case, to activate the indicator outputs, PCAP_LED_RG needs to be low, IND_CTRL_G needs to be low (to activate G), and IND_CTRL_R needs to be high (to activate R). Jun 02 02:03:35 mickey|zzZZzz: oops -- I have my P/N channels mixed up, so that is not right -- seems like the diagram has the P and N channel devices mixed up, but then I don't really know what the rest of the circuit is. Jun 02 02:03:44 mickey|zzZZzz: ping me tomorrow if you want to discuss more. Jun 02 02:53:04 jacques: u still there? I don't know if it's related, but I compiled opie stuff native yesterday. gpe-stuff was breaking on glibc.. i'm too green to know what happened. must go, leave a note :) Jun 02 02:53:31 how do i build the 2.6.x kernel for oe ? Jun 02 02:53:51 CSMan: Define it in your local.conf Jun 02 02:54:03 KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6" Jun 02 02:54:42 NAbyss: and how do i start the build process ? Jun 02 02:55:33 Currently only supported on Zaurus Clamshells. Jun 02 02:55:42 i don't it'll work for the ipaq Jun 02 02:56:07 CSMan: Ah, okies.. no idea about the ipaq **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 02 02:59:56 2006