**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 11 02:59:57 2006 Jun 11 03:14:56 Hi everyone Jun 11 03:30:24 Hello all Jun 11 03:30:33 How is everyone tonight? Jun 11 05:11:03 I like vmware's new strategy Jun 11 06:15:52 morning all Jun 11 08:13:32 'morning Jun 11 08:13:52 Ello Jun 11 08:30:53 hi all ... i'm trying to build a bootstrap-image for ep93xx platform ... but i got this error Jun 11 08:31:04 | configure: error: some sort of compiler problem, mp_limb_t doesn't seem to work Jun 11 08:31:16 on gmp-native-4.1.2 Jun 11 08:46:16 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r21e0b3e6... 10/packages/libsdl/libsdl-qpe-1.2.7/agawa-piro-mickey.patch: libsdl-qpe: gcc 4.1.1 fixlet in agawa-piro-mickey.patch Jun 11 08:51:49 hi mickeyl Jun 11 08:52:02 mickeyl: python-everything successfully built with one another gcc4.1.1 bug + fix here : http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082 :) Jun 11 09:00:00 gremlin[it]: I created in my local tree a gmp-native_4.1.4.bb based on gmp-native_4.1.2.bb (an exact copy in fact) Jun 11 09:01:11 gremlin[it]: I'm not sure I got the error you mention, but you might try it Jun 11 09:02:06 for now i resolved using host distro version of gmp Jun 11 09:16:53 cyrilRomain: thanks Jun 11 09:19:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbe41d3c8... 10/packages/smpeg/smpeg/compile.patch: g++ 4.1.1 fixlet - thanks cyril romain. closes bug #1082 Jun 11 09:20:19 morning all Jun 11 09:30:18 cyrilRomain o go to cook ... see u later ... maybe i'll try also your sources cyrilRomain :) Jun 11 09:47:17 don't you hate it when you loose a connector? Jun 11 09:47:49 i can't find the connector for my tv card :/ Jun 11 09:48:53 moin Jun 11 09:53:34 hey zecke Jun 11 09:53:45 any idea where the connect for my tv card went? Jun 11 09:53:56 no Jun 11 09:54:07 hail zecke Jun 11 09:54:09 you had a tv card? Jun 11 09:54:55 hi zecke Jun 11 09:55:09 zecke: yeah, back in here Australia, was in my sisters computer ;) Jun 11 09:55:31 hi ph5 Jun 11 09:55:36 anyone know a paper management system? Jun 11 09:55:48 good morning Jun 11 09:58:17 Morning Jun 11 10:10:22 RP: wow, your work on eda is just kicking ass ;) Jun 11 10:11:32 eda? Jun 11 10:12:10 eds Jun 11 10:12:56 woglinde: hey Jun 11 10:13:02 he zecke Jun 11 10:13:13 woglinde: did you flash the new beta of the firmaware ofr the n770 yet Jun 11 10:13:56 zecke: about gnutls fetching failure, here is my suggested fix http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1079 Jun 11 10:14:21 eds? Jun 11 10:15:26 eds! Jun 11 10:15:29 zecke nope Jun 11 10:15:34 mithro: the stuff you use each day Jun 11 10:15:43 mithro: Evolution Data Server on D-Bus :) Jun 11 10:16:13 o, not the evil company which screws everyone? Jun 11 10:16:34 haeh? Which company is that? Jun 11 10:16:42 zecke: any information on what RP is doing? Jun 11 10:16:45 zecke: EDS Jun 11 10:16:57 mithro: http://o-hand.com/blog/?p=9 Jun 11 10:17:05 mithro: and not RP but his company Jun 11 10:17:11 http://www.eds.com/ Jun 11 10:17:40 mithro: no, and they did not screw me yet Jun 11 10:18:02 zecke: i bet they have already screwed you in ways you don't know yet Jun 11 10:18:32 it would be nice if evolution could understand network state so it doesn't keep complaining when the network is disconnected Jun 11 10:19:00 mithro: lol, I think they did that Jun 11 10:19:13 mithro: what nokia and others are cooking makes really sense to me Jun 11 10:20:39 okay need to study now Jun 11 10:20:53 * zecke|study has too many exams ahead... Jun 11 10:21:02 that is intresting Jun 11 10:21:05 –with-bug-buddy Don’t enable Bug Buddy integration, removing a dependency on libgnomeui Jun 11 10:22:35 --with? Jun 11 10:22:36 he he - did you know that the Queen of Britan doesn't need a passport to travel Jun 11 10:22:52 zecke|study: thats what the page said :0) Jun 11 10:22:59 http://projects.o-hand.com/eds Jun 11 10:25:45 mithro: no, I didn't know that Jun 11 10:26:06 mithro: and it doesn't get finger printed in the US as well? Jun 11 10:26:11 zecke|study: i assume they mean only to the Commonwealth Jun 11 10:28:21 http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:_AjzMyh9RuUJ:www.royal.gov.uk/output/page351.asp+queen+passport&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1 Jun 11 10:28:24 maybe not Jun 11 10:29:14 The Queen does not need a passport when she travels overseas on visits such as her tour of the United States in 1991 Jun 11 10:30:37 Trippy Jun 11 10:31:03 i wonder what life its like being the Queen of Britain Jun 11 10:32:19 cya later Jun 11 10:34:04 That maemo platform really looks nice. Is it opensource? Jun 11 10:36:48 yes, it is Free Software Jun 11 10:37:04 sirfred: only webbrowser is proprietary and from Opera Jun 11 10:37:12 zecke|study: Is there any hope to see it working on a zaurus? Jun 11 10:37:22 Any wip , perhaps? Jun 11 10:37:33 sirfred: hehe, wait a second Jun 11 10:37:48 * sirfred waits Jun 11 10:39:07 sirfred: well, at one point it was a matter of bitbake maemo-image Jun 11 10:39:15 but then nobody stepped up to make it work Jun 11 10:39:22 sirfred: it is all there, use the source! Jun 11 10:40:44 zecke|study: Well, I'm not experienced in bitbake and openembedded. Perhaps it's a task for real men. Jun 11 10:40:50 sirfred: hey! Jun 11 10:40:56 mickeyl: Hello! Jun 11 10:40:59 sirfred: long time no see. what were you up to? :D Jun 11 10:41:07 mickeyl: Well, too busy at work. Jun 11 10:41:45 i can understand that... Jun 11 10:41:49 mickeyl: But yesterday, I loaded the battery of my c760 and ... Jun 11 10:42:00 mickeyl: Downloaded a new openzaurus version... Jun 11 10:42:00 sirfred: that is the most crappy excuse I have ever heard Jun 11 10:42:05 zecke|study: :) Jun 11 10:42:16 sirfred: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/pyblosxom.cgi/2005/May Jun 11 10:42:17 sirfred: excellent. we've been a long way since you've last looked. it should rock more or less :) Jun 11 10:42:26 When I was 12 I was hardly a man... and hacked Jun 11 10:44:36 mickeyl: Well, I see that opie is more or less the same. Jun 11 10:45:10 mickeyl: I'm thinking about putting again some time on working on this. Jun 11 10:45:24 mickeyl: But I'm not sure about the direction this is taking. What about the future? Jun 11 10:45:43 Fixing issues in opie-1.2? Or going to qt-embedded on X ? Jun 11 10:46:00 tough question Jun 11 10:46:03 And what about this maemo thing? Jun 11 10:46:06 sirfred: we have asked Trolltech about Qtopia4 at least three times Jun 11 10:46:16 sirfred: and their idea of community involvement Jun 11 10:46:24 i think opie 1.2 will have a longer live than we would want :D Jun 11 10:46:35 sirfred: it looks like they are not interested in a community around Qtopia4 Jun 11 10:46:45 sirfred: this means. Doing Qt4 but not Qtopia Jun 11 10:46:55 sirfred: or joining maemo and GPE and using Gtk+ Jun 11 10:46:56 Oh Jun 11 10:47:07 sirfred: or creating a toolkit based on E17 Jun 11 10:47:15 yeah Jun 11 10:47:15 Yesterday I also tested the GPE image... Jun 11 10:47:17 e17! Jun 11 10:47:24 Well, I don't know what disgust me more, Opie or GPE. ;- Jun 11 10:47:26 ;-) Jun 11 10:47:35 mickeyl: Bat what about apps on e17 environment? Jun 11 10:47:50 I also tested it, and it's spectacular, but a little slow. Jun 11 10:47:52 sirfred: well, it's X. Jun 11 10:48:01 we could use gpe apps Jun 11 10:48:11 mickeyl: point him to the e17 movie on the a780 Jun 11 10:48:30 sirfred: recently i'm more interested in phones Jun 11 10:48:31 http://vanille.de/temp/a780-eem.mpg Jun 11 10:48:32 mickeyl: I've only seen some screenshots of maemo, and It seemed the way to go. Jun 11 10:48:33 :D Jun 11 10:48:34 cya later Jun 11 10:48:48 zecke|study: seeyou Jun 11 10:48:59 sirfred: and Nokia is interested in a community, they control maemo though Jun 11 10:49:00 mickeyl: I liked the screen layout. Jun 11 10:49:05 maemo is cool, but we don't want to use it on 240x320 Jun 11 10:49:09 imo Jun 11 10:49:18 mickeyl: Good point. Jun 11 10:49:22 models like collie, poodle, c700 are too weak for maemo Jun 11 10:49:23 mickeyl: where you FUDDED by lorn? Jun 11 10:49:27 phones also Jun 11 10:49:28 mickeyl: I'm also thinking in c700 Jun 11 10:49:40 zecke|study: sure :D Jun 11 10:49:55 mickeyl: The problem with X nude apps, is lack of consistency, imo Jun 11 10:50:00 mickeyl: sure, the default maemo screen resolution is for n770 Jun 11 10:50:03 mickeyl: That was the good think with opie. Jun 11 10:50:10 sirfred: major point right. opie ruled in the integration point Jun 11 10:50:14 mickeyl: but I'm confident you can make it work on 1x1 res as well Jun 11 10:50:28 I think that's a critical necesity. Jun 11 10:50:39 ¿necesity? That's not english, is it? Jun 11 10:50:48 sirfred: yeah but people want to have non integrated apps Jun 11 10:50:57 sirfred: as they think they have the real deal :} Jun 11 10:51:05 the core problem is inherently won't go away. people want integration + every other of the millions of X apps Jun 11 10:51:16 it looks crappy => it must be the real Linux desktop Jun 11 10:51:24 :)) Jun 11 10:51:45 Well, they can have them, even on opie. I hardly remember there was a x server on qte. Jun 11 10:51:53 But I never dare to test it. Jun 11 10:52:30 well, it works. but it's not fun. Qte + Xlib + a toolkit on top is a bit heavy for 64mb ram (at best) Jun 11 10:53:12 Well, perhaps the priority should be to provide a complete set of integrated apps, and provide then the way to run unintegrated apps. Jun 11 10:53:18 right. Jun 11 10:53:36 But the core should be consistent. Jun 11 10:53:43 but I'm afraid neither Opie nor GPE have the proper infrastructure and design to do that now Jun 11 10:54:02 which means... the need for something new. Jun 11 10:54:13 mickeyl: Show us the path, master. Jun 11 10:54:18 heh Jun 11 10:54:24 * mickeyl has a vision Jun 11 10:54:35 Let's follow mickeyl light. Jun 11 10:54:55 Am I rich and mighty in your vision? Jun 11 10:54:58 of course! Jun 11 10:54:59 we all are Jun 11 10:55:03 and healthy Jun 11 10:55:07 I like your vision. Jun 11 10:55:09 hehe Jun 11 10:55:12 :) Jun 11 10:55:32 actually, i'm going to finish my phd thesis and then I'll looking around in what this "new thing" could look like. Jun 11 10:55:55 mickeyl: Perhaps I could put some work in the w100 qte driver. Jun 11 10:56:23 mickeyl: Do you remember what pending bug did it have? Jun 11 10:56:24 sirfred: that would rock. i don't think many bits are missing, but it still doesn't work right Jun 11 10:56:36 for the sake of it we couldn't get suspend/resume reliably working Jun 11 10:56:53 and i'm still thinking these bits belong into w100fb Jun 11 10:56:55 mickeyl: Actually, I was working with the aticore library, after my retirement. Jun 11 10:56:57 not into userland Jun 11 10:57:06 oh cool. any progress with that? Jun 11 10:57:06 mickeyl: Yes, we talked about this time ago. Jun 11 10:57:18 mickeyl: good morning Jun 11 10:57:46 hail pb_ Jun 11 10:58:02 mickeyl: Well, I was out for some months. But it seems that Mardy had a working X driver. Jun 11 10:58:10 pb_: your X is working again? Jun 11 10:58:15 gosh, it's quite warm here. I guess today must be summer. Jun 11 10:58:20 mickeyl: Based in the aticore work. Jun 11 10:58:28 pb__: no kidding. I'll be gone for a round of frisbee in a minute Jun 11 10:58:29 zecke|study: yeah. luckily, because my other PC now doesn't switch on at all. Jun 11 10:58:53 pb_: probably english hardware is not designed for such a climate? Jun 11 10:58:56 sirfred: right. he got kdrive acceleration working. dunno whether someone tried to add these bits into OE Jun 11 10:59:01 mickeyl: heh, very good. me too. Jun 11 10:59:02 pb_: how many degree celcius you have? 12? Jun 11 10:59:14 zecke|study: yeah, that must be it Jun 11 10:59:24 mickeyl: I think that with the knowledge we gained, perhaps I could try to detach the libqte driver from aticore. Jun 11 10:59:40 sirfred: oh that'd help to make it more reliable. Jun 11 10:59:55 zecke|study: not sure, my thermometer can't read above 5C. Jun 11 11:00:01 heh Jun 11 11:00:25 zecke|study: but, according to wunderground.com, we have 26C. Jun 11 11:00:33 I think 32C is forecast for tuesday Jun 11 11:00:55 mickeyl: The last news in my work is that I put my hands on a libaticore from a wince device. Including MPEG acceleration (IDCT and Motion compensation) Jun 11 11:01:08 sirfred: wow. Jun 11 11:01:15 mickeyl: I was really excited about that for a pair of weeks. Jun 11 11:01:30 did you see it in source? Jun 11 11:01:40 mickeyl: In source? Jun 11 11:01:44 source code or binary? Jun 11 11:01:45 mickeyl: No, only binary form. Jun 11 11:01:48 k Jun 11 11:01:56 better than nothing :) Jun 11 11:02:13 i guess the register bit banging doesn't make source and binary readability much different Jun 11 11:02:14 heh Jun 11 11:02:15 mickeyl: I started disassembling, but at that job I don't worth the tenth part of RP Jun 11 11:02:33 mickeyl: have the england supporters left Frankfurt now? I hope that at least some part of the city remains intact. Jun 11 11:02:34 mickeyl: I got very tired and stopped working into that. Jun 11 11:02:47 pb_: i will see in a couple of minutes when I go down to the Main river. Jun 11 11:03:01 mickeyl: fingers crossed :-} Jun 11 11:03:15 pb__: i have the pleasure to live at the south end of Frankfurt (in Sachsenhausen), so I'm pretty safe Jun 11 11:03:39 mickeyl: The main problem is that IDCT and MC are not as disassembling a bitblt routine. Jun 11 11:04:01 mickeyl: There is a lot of computations, even for the host side included. Jun 11 11:04:34 sirfred: interesting. sounds tough to reverse engineer. recently i started to dive into kernel driver work as well, so i can roughly imagine :/ Jun 11 11:04:56 it sucks... even _with_ data sheets i feel I'm at a loss Jun 11 11:04:59 heh Jun 11 11:05:14 mickeyl: So, I'm going to start trying to fix the suspend/resume issues. And then, try to decouple the qte driver from libaticore. Jun 11 11:05:22 sirfred: ok, that'd be much appreciated! Jun 11 11:05:36 mickeyl: Wait for the results, better. ;-) Jun 11 11:05:40 hehe Jun 11 11:05:43 right Jun 11 11:06:00 ok, wifey is ready. we're going to play some frisbee Jun 11 11:06:02 later all Jun 11 11:06:06 mickeyl: later. Jun 11 11:17:53 ~weather egcs Jun 11 11:17:56 I can't find station code "EGCS" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 11 11:18:10 ~weather egsc Jun 11 11:18:13 Cambridge, United Kingdom; (EGSC) 52-12N 000-11E; last updated: 2006.06.11 1050 UTC; Dew Point: 66 F (19 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Relative Humidity: 65%; Temperature: 78 F (26 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (250 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) (direction variable) Jun 11 11:19:12 wow 19 degree Jun 11 11:28:18 thats the dew point not temp Jun 11 11:28:25 temp is 26 Jun 11 11:28:50 :} Jun 11 11:32:13 oops Jun 11 11:32:24 ~weather bbg Jun 11 11:32:27 I can't find station code "BBG" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 11 11:32:38 ~weather rrnk Jun 11 11:32:41 I can't find station code "RRNK" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 11 11:32:43 ~weather rnk Jun 11 11:32:44 ~lart Crofton Jun 11 11:32:44 * ibot send killer squirrels to attack Crofton Jun 11 11:32:46 I can't find station code "RNK" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 11 11:32:51 sorry :) Jun 11 11:33:00 to early to operate computer I guess Jun 11 11:33:24 Crofton: change the topic please :) Jun 11 11:33:50 I forget what it was ... Jun 11 11:34:08 1 Jun 11 11:34:17 damn Jun 11 11:34:43 not a distribution support channel | www.openembedded.org Jun 11 11:34:55 no not nice :} Jun 11 11:35:09 Crofton: you could reformat it now :) Jun 11 11:35:14 heh Jun 11 11:35:28 ok Jun 11 11:35:41 lol Jun 11 11:37:02 ~weather eheh Jun 11 11:37:06 Eindhoven, Netherlands; (EHEH) 51-27N 005-25E 28M; last updated: 2006.06.11 1125 UTC; Dew Point: 50 F (10 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.21 in. Hg (1023 hPa); Relative Humidity: 30%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 84 F (29 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SE (130 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) Jun 11 11:37:30 someone nedes to limit who can edit the topic ..... Jun 11 11:38:13 eFfeM-away: are you in or near Eindhoven? Jun 11 11:39:09 yes, you are in eindhoven isn't it Jun 11 11:39:18 * eFfeM noticed that before Jun 11 11:39:26 actually I am in Reusel Jun 11 11:39:38 ~weather 72318 Jun 11 11:39:41 I can't find station code "72318" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 11 11:39:42 eFfeM: yes. Jun 11 11:40:35 ~weather kfcx Jun 11 11:40:38 I can't find station code "KFCX" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 11 11:40:46 aarg Jun 11 11:40:55 likewise: what hw are you working with Jun 11 11:42:15 ~weather kroa Jun 11 11:42:18 Roanoke, Roanoke Regional Airport, VA, United States; (KROA) 37-19-01N 079-58-27W 362M; last updated: 2006.06.11 1054 UTC; Dew Point: 57.0 F (13.9 C); Precipitation last hour: A trace; Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 89%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 60.1 F (15.6 C); Visibility: 7 mile(s); Weather: Light rain; Wind: Calm Jun 11 11:43:22 Crofton: finally .... Jun 11 11:43:26 heh Jun 11 11:43:51 still mad I can't get the local weather office :) Jun 11 11:45:09 hi Jun 11 12:18:41 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r24fcb7ea... 10/packages/ark3116/ark3116_0.4.1.bb: ark3116: added missing , after -rpath-link Jun 11 12:18:42 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * ra3992f22... 10/packages/ark3116/ark3116_0.4.1.bb: ark3116: also added -Wl Jun 11 12:18:46 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * re07cef00... 10/packages/pvrusb2-mci/ (10 files): pvrusb2-mci: added -Wl and missing , after -rpath-link Jun 11 12:35:56 eFfeM: Cirrus ARM9 EP9312 and XScale IXP425 Jun 11 13:09:42 Are they really serving American Budweiser at the World Cup games? Jun 11 13:20:00 Hi everyone Jun 11 13:20:54 How is everyone this morning? Jun 11 13:21:34 it is sunny, even in the UK, so everyone is fine Jun 11 13:24:10 Well, I'm hoping to get this project with my family wrapped up so I can start training on embedded Jun 11 15:17:46 'morning' all Jun 11 15:17:53 RP: Morning. Jun 11 15:18:07 hi sirfred. I was just reading in scrollback :) Jun 11 15:18:21 RP: Hi again! Jun 11 15:18:47 IDCT would be nice. I suspect it would need a lot of work though :-/ Jun 11 15:19:20 RP: Yes. I think I'm going to try first more short-term goals. Jun 11 15:20:04 sirfred: I think that'd be a more senible use of time... Jun 11 15:21:20 RP: senible? What that means? Jun 11 15:23:03 sorry, sensible :) Jun 11 15:23:15 <[cc]smart> senile Jun 11 15:23:46 RP: ok Jun 11 15:59:21 Wow, I've just feeled the improvements in bitbake, parsing is now ultra-fast. Good work! Jun 11 15:59:34 s/feeled/felt/ Jun 11 16:24:49 I have a nice new issue concerning networking here with a C1000 (OZ 3.5.4.1): Inside is an D-Link Air 660. It worked with my home configuration (WEP-router) for some time, then I connected it to the WLAN in a hotel with WEP, worked too after some fiddeling, then I connected it to the WLAN of a friend, it worked after some playing around with the addresses, too. Then I tried to connect it back at home - as I said, this worked before - no chance any Jun 11 16:30:58 wrong channel here Jun 11 16:31:16 do you associate with the AP? Jun 11 16:43:19 perhaps I shoud mention that several restarts didn't have helped. Jun 11 18:08:05 you lot watching football? Jun 11 18:08:31 sure... and interviews with eva padberg Jun 11 18:08:46 gosh, I hate to be a man (too easily influencable) Jun 11 18:09:52 who is eva padberg? Jun 11 18:10:07 hmm Jun 11 18:10:19 * Crofton likes what he sees on google Jun 11 18:11:39 she had a nice top... Jun 11 18:11:48 ~fishslap men Jun 11 18:11:52 * ibot slaps men up side the head with a wet fish. Jun 11 18:12:16 mickey|frisbee: I think I would be such a man giving better grades to half naked woman :( Jun 11 18:13:11 heh Jun 11 18:13:17 sounds familiar to me Jun 11 18:13:23 that's why i refrained from being teacher Jun 11 18:13:27 bbl, going out a bit Jun 11 18:13:29 heh Jun 11 18:13:44 my friend taught an indoor plants class Jun 11 18:13:51 he avoided temptation Jun 11 18:13:58 mickey|bbl: well you could go to a chatolic ... Jun 11 18:14:05 mickey|bbl: either all woman or all man Jun 11 18:14:08 women, men Jun 11 18:14:16 equal possibilities for each ;) Jun 11 19:40:16 RP: should I stop the autobuild for poky for now? Jun 11 20:11:47 woglinde: hey Jun 11 20:11:50 woglinde: and? Jun 11 20:11:59 zecke nothing new Jun 11 20:12:18 but I now understand a little bit auf usb gadet working Jun 11 20:14:02 but I dont understand that one thing, but its to much to discuss in irc Jun 11 20:15:14 woglinde: and is the little guy overdue? Jun 11 20:15:24 'guy' sexless baby Jun 11 20:18:30 he likes football Jun 11 20:18:36 it seems Jun 11 20:19:29 name him Figo Jun 11 20:19:41 lol Jun 11 20:19:58 do you know the sex yet? Jun 11 20:20:02 did I forget it once again? Jun 11 20:20:53 yes we know it since months Jun 11 20:21:08 it will be a little zecke Jun 11 20:22:31 hi goxbox Jun 11 20:49:20 hi Jun 11 20:49:27 ~seen hrw|gone Jun 11 20:49:56 hrw|gone was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 23h 12m 12s ago, saying: 'now gone for real'. Jun 11 20:50:08 hi hrw Jun 11 20:50:44 looks like my machine at work (which I use to irc) shutted down Jun 11 21:11:15 Good night. Jun 11 21:21:58 quiet here.. Jun 11 21:23:06 yes Jun 11 21:27:30 zecke: something interesting happened in OE land during weekend? Jun 11 21:27:39 no Jun 11 21:45:37 everything nice and calm Jun 11 21:47:05 mickeyl: hey Jun 11 21:47:13 hrw: people explored the power of ~weather Jun 11 21:48:19 hi mickeyl Jun 11 21:48:22 * zecke tries scratchbox once again... Jun 11 21:48:24 zecke: ah.. saw it Jun 11 21:48:35 ~weather eppo Jun 11 21:48:36 I wonder why nokia insists not to use 1.0 Jun 11 21:48:38 Poznan, Poland; (EPPO) 52-25N 016-50E 92M; last updated: 2006.06.11 2130 UTC; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.36 in. Hg (1028 hPa); Relative Humidity: 67%; Temperature: 62 F (17 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (070 degrees) at 2 MPH (2 KT) Jun 11 21:52:17 ~seen TheMasterMind1 Jun 11 21:52:31 themastermind1 is currently on #oe (2d 6h 41m 30s) #openzaurus (2d 6h 41m 30s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2d 6h 5m 35s, last said: '~change 52 eur to usd'. Jun 11 21:53:01 evening all Jun 11 21:53:09 checking whether it is possible to resort to fread on /etc/mnttab... no Jun 11 21:53:09 configure: error: could not determine how to read list of mounted filesystems Jun 11 21:53:09 make[2]: *** Jun 11 21:53:14 scratchbox failed once more Jun 11 21:53:21 btw - I decided to not get sl-a300 Jun 11 21:53:24 too much footbal during the weekend :/ Jun 11 21:53:50 talked with sash (which played with it few years ago) and got info that this is more crappy then collie... Jun 11 21:53:59 hrw: wise decision Jun 11 21:54:06 it would be just for a collectors heart Jun 11 21:54:07 nothing else Jun 11 21:54:38 mickeyl: and 'how to add new machine into OE' or 'how to port 2.6 to another Z' but both can be done in other way Jun 11 21:54:51 yeah Jun 11 21:55:09 Is anyone using a 3g card ? Jun 11 21:55:21 and that sl-a300 is naked - no accessories and dead battery so I will wait for better one Jun 11 21:55:34 oh dead battery? :} Jun 11 21:55:37 collectors item them Jun 11 21:55:45 mickeyl: and sl-a300 is rather collection toy for me Jun 11 21:56:09 zecke: few minutes of work - user use it with external battery wired Jun 11 21:56:24 and battery is internal, non-exchangable Jun 11 21:59:34 hmm scratchbox remains unbuildable... Jun 11 21:59:34 bad Jun 11 22:00:00 I saw scratchbox once Jun 11 22:00:17 it only needs apache2 installed Jun 11 22:00:29 Any idea in which section a utility like that should be declared -> http://www.pharscape.org/content/view/46/70/ Jun 11 22:00:32 and it was used by someone who nearly does not know how to use it Jun 11 22:00:33 but it can build own host compiler :} Jun 11 22:01:07 Ifaistos: our SECTION list suxx badly Jun 11 22:01:16 net/network/networking Jun 11 22:02:46 hrw: Thanks. Jun 11 22:02:55 i think almost everything is using netowrk now Jun 11 22:02:59 network, even Jun 11 22:03:06 the stuff that doesn't should be sed'ed Jun 11 22:03:07 Ifaistos: we probably need 'comm' section Jun 11 22:04:20 how shuld we handle an i2c device that is mostly powered off in the i2c driver driver? power-on, run probe, power-off to make init module working or skip init section and let it probe on-demand, i.e. after something else powered on the device? Jun 11 22:05:01 * hrw is ignorant in such subjects Jun 11 22:05:19 mickeyl: why is it powered off? Jun 11 22:05:27 mickeyl: could it be a user decision? Jun 11 22:05:42 zecke: it's a camera. we want to power if off until someone opens a v4l device to safe battery Jun 11 22:06:18 mickeyl: poweroff means re-init anyway Jun 11 22:06:44 true. so it wouldn't hurt to power it on, let i2c probe succed, and then power off until further notice Jun 11 22:06:52 mickeyl: well, I think it is the drivers right to do power management Jun 11 22:08:15 in that case i'm pretty confused as it involves an i2c driver and a video driver Jun 11 22:08:23 i would've expected to see power on/off in the i2c driver Jun 11 22:08:29 but instead it appears in the pxa-camera.c Jun 11 22:08:35 :} Jun 11 22:08:38 which is conceptually "on top" Jun 11 22:08:41 off the i2c layer Jun 11 22:08:49 too bad we don't have reference examples in 2.6 yet Jun 11 22:08:53 mickeyl: cant you chain them? Jun 11 22:08:59 mickeyl: we don't Jun 11 22:09:08 i2c master -> i2c camera -> v4l camera Jun 11 22:09:16 mickeyl: If power saving is the requirment you need to take close look at the power on/off ratio. Sometimes it costs less to leave the device on in some short of idle mode that to power it on/of Jun 11 22:09:47 Ifaistos: good point Jun 11 22:09:57 i'm so much out of my depth here :) Jun 11 22:10:01 conquering new grounds Jun 11 22:10:22 mickeyl: It's lime me with OE :) Jun 11 22:10:53 :) Jun 11 22:11:14 mickeyl: ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/people/xscale/mainstone/02-25-2005/ Jun 11 22:11:18 kernel -> kernel patch Jun 11 22:11:23 right. i've seen this, thanks Jun 11 22:11:27 got the camera driver included Jun 11 22:11:31 there is a pretty interesting 2650 driver Jun 11 22:11:32 at least another source of example Jun 11 22:11:39 ah okay Jun 11 22:11:49 yeah. unfortunately it didn't see my camera Jun 11 22:11:55 it bailed out with Jun 11 22:12:02 "exceed retries" Jun 11 22:12:14 on that point i didn't know if it's because the camera is off Jun 11 22:12:16 maybe the assigned a different device id? Jun 11 22:12:18 or because something else wrong Jun 11 22:12:22 mickeyl: And get a *good* i2c probe... You will need it Jun 11 22:12:38 Ifaistos: how can i tell a good one from a bad one? Jun 11 22:12:41 address... well off to bad Jun 11 22:12:51 zecke: g'night. Jun 11 22:12:59 mickeyl: Usually the price :)) Jun 11 22:13:05 zecke: you're i2c expert? we can talk later then :) Jun 11 22:13:11 no, not at all Jun 11 22:13:35 just followed the i2c wars of my friend and co-worker ;) Jun 11 22:13:41 n8 zecke Jun 11 22:13:44 Ifaistos: right. thing is, i don't built a new device, I'm just porting some phones over to 2.6 Jun 11 22:13:54 so i'm pretty much stuck with the hardware Jun 11 22:14:10 * hrw want WPA in linux-wlan-ng Jun 11 22:14:18 * mickeyl wants linux-wlan-ng to die Jun 11 22:14:43 mickeyl: hostap team does not want to support usb prism Jun 11 22:15:02 hrw: i know. it's kind of a catastrophe... there was a guy who wanted to add usb prism support to orinoco ... Jun 11 22:15:08 just after commiting the initial bits... Jun 11 22:15:13 he died :/ Jun 11 22:15:20 no one picked up his work Jun 11 22:15:22 died? Jun 11 22:15:27 :} Jun 11 22:15:32 yeah Jun 11 22:15:34 orinoco also does not do WPA Jun 11 22:15:35 car accidant or something Jun 11 22:15:47 my AP at home is WPA-PSK now... Jun 11 22:15:56 mickeyl: The problem with i2c is that it belongs to Philips, and unless you use a Philips part (or pay the royalties) you can not use *exactly* the same i2c Jun 11 22:16:16 Ifaistos: mmh... nasty little things. Jun 11 22:16:51 mickeyl: So most companies have some kind of "variation" to avoid pattend problems Jun 11 22:17:14 i see. while that's understandable it sucks in getting a standard interface adopted Jun 11 22:17:32 mickeyl: atleast usb->ethernet is cheap - ~5-8EUR.. Jun 11 22:17:48 ya Jun 11 22:18:15 ralink based usb wifi sticks support WPA - missed one on auction ;( ~20EUR Jun 11 22:19:09 i wish we had a mainstone patch from intel against a recent kernel Jun 11 22:19:19 2.6.9 is not long ago, but a lot of interfaces have changed Jun 11 22:19:20 *sigh* Jun 11 22:19:49 btw - someone heard about 'sabinal' arm machine? Jun 11 22:19:55 yeah Jun 11 22:20:18 what is it exactly? Jun 11 22:20:18 iirc that was a prototype device w/ pxa210 Jun 11 22:20:28 sharp prototype board for developing cotulla Jun 11 22:20:28 sl-a300 is based on it Jun 11 22:20:34 oh right... Jun 11 22:20:34 nite Jun 11 22:20:37 they made a product out of it Jun 11 22:20:39 *cough* Jun 11 22:20:50 sl-a300 is cotulla/discovery Jun 11 22:20:53 n8 woglinde Jun 11 22:21:13 nite woglinde Jun 11 22:21:43 use discovery-mv defconfig (2.4.13-crapix) and in kernel config many things are COTULLA but also SABINAL so I was curious Jun 11 22:22:22 ah wait Jun 11 22:22:37 could be as well intel nicknames Jun 11 22:22:42 like BULVERDE Jun 11 22:23:25 so discovery being the board Jun 11 22:23:29 sabinal being the CPU Jun 11 22:23:37 contact info in arm machine list is =big5= (fscked chinese) Jun 11 22:23:45 heh Jun 11 22:24:31 ah here we are: Jun 11 22:24:35 ~lart All these arm guys Jun 11 22:24:35 * ibot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that All these arm guys is stuck to the floor Jun 11 22:24:37 Are at present declared processors with the application of technology XScale of two it is specific: PXA250 (Cotulla) and PXA210 (Sabinal). Jun 11 22:24:41 anyway 2.6.16 does not have SABINAL in list Jun 11 22:24:57 oh.. Jun 11 22:25:04 so it's intel names Jun 11 22:25:15 * hrw want sl-a300 naked photos Jun 11 22:25:35 to know does it has pxa210 or pxa250 Jun 11 22:25:42 or even IOP310 :D Jun 11 22:25:46 heh Jun 11 22:25:47 z80a Jun 11 22:25:54 z80h was nicer Jun 11 22:26:10 i was 68K asm fan Jun 11 22:26:18 like a high level language compared to some other asms Jun 11 22:26:29 did complete GUI libraries in asm Jun 11 22:26:29 I liked 65xx 8bit Jun 11 22:26:34 yeah, that was nice as well Jun 11 22:26:35 68K->powerpc Jun 11 22:26:45 had z80 on studies... suxx but easy Jun 11 22:27:11 once i could remember most of the z80 opcodes by heart Jun 11 22:27:31 this was some time before written history :) Jun 11 22:27:32 hrw: did you see the eem on a780 video yet? Jun 11 22:28:06 http://ascii24.com/news/products/firstimp/2002/07/10/637088-000.html has nice sl-a300 photos Jun 11 22:28:09 Ifaistos: heh. good times they were Jun 11 22:28:20 mickeyl: one of those which was available with party photo? Jun 11 22:28:33 hrw: no no Jun 11 22:28:36 hrw: much better Jun 11 22:28:41 http://vanille.de/temp/a780-eem.mpg Jun 11 22:28:49 caution: 31mb Jun 11 22:28:59 how old are you guys ? Jun 11 22:29:06 * mickeyl old fart Jun 11 22:29:08 34 Jun 11 22:29:08 Ifaistos: 30 in July Jun 11 22:29:19 i am 36 Jun 11 22:29:36 first own computer: amiga 600 in 1995 Jun 11 22:29:42 you started late Jun 11 22:29:54 zx80... had to handsolder it :) Jun 11 22:29:54 my first was 1982 C64 Jun 11 22:31:26 mickeyl: own == first which I bought using my cash Jun 11 22:31:32 before was ataru 65xe Jun 11 22:31:37 atari Jun 11 22:32:10 hrw: ah right. hmm... my first own one was a PC in the late nineties. c64 and amiga i got from parents. Jun 11 22:32:47 mickeyl: you forgot to rotate video.. Jun 11 22:32:52 00:48:05 (164.67 KB/s) - `a780-eem.mpg' saved [32875768/32875768] Jun 11 22:32:59 ~hail 1.5Mbps at home Jun 11 22:33:01 * ibot bows down to 1.5Mbps at home and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 11 22:33:06 excellent Jun 11 22:33:47 hrw@home:~$ mplayer -vf pp,rotate a780-eem.mpg Jun 11 22:33:49 helps Jun 11 22:34:09 Got 3g card to work on my ppc board :) Jun 11 22:34:16 congrats Ifaistos Jun 11 22:34:46 anyone interested in getting vwdial and friends to OE ? Jun 11 22:35:05 I am trying for 3 days to get this @#$%^ library cross-compile Jun 11 22:35:07 hrw@home:~$ mplayer -vf pp,rotate,mirror a780-eem.mpg Jun 11 22:35:10 best Jun 11 22:35:23 Ifaistos: post what you have into bugtracker and some one will have a look Jun 11 22:36:48 mickeyl: nice video Jun 11 22:36:49 mickeyl: I will try tommorow also, as its a holiday here and have some free time Jun 11 22:37:00 hi Marcos Jun 11 22:37:01 good evening people Jun 11 22:37:12 thejapa : Hi Jun 11 22:37:23 hrw, lfaistos: hello! Jun 11 22:37:38 mickeyl, awesome video Jun 11 22:38:12 heh.. from photos it looks like sl-a300 was very small pda.. Jun 11 22:38:17 hrw: now I hope to pickup speed. I'll have 3 spare days this week to compensate all that lateness. :) Jun 11 22:38:38 03:02:46 (70.96 KB/s) - `a780-eem.mpg' saved [32875768/32875768] Jun 11 22:38:43 :-P Jun 11 22:38:59 i'm even having nightmares these days Jun 11 22:40:05 thejapa: so now "Implement export to text for both GPE and OPIE PIM data. (CSV?)" is a task. Jun 11 22:40:54 hrw: oh, not yet. :( unless you say running a sqlite dump is something acceptable. ew Jun 11 22:43:02 ~lart nickserv Jun 11 22:43:02 * ibot hits nickserv with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha Jun 11 22:43:26 thejapa: ok Jun 11 22:44:33 thejapa: jabber.. Jun 11 22:46:28 tssss. 2.4 camera driver doesn't even call i2c_probe. it calls attach_adapter directly :/ Jun 11 22:46:46 mickeyl: hardcoded existance? Jun 11 22:46:49 yeah Jun 11 22:47:07 no wonder registering works without power then Jun 11 22:47:09 heh Jun 11 22:47:13 simplification which works but not quite legal Jun 11 23:01:51 g'night Jun 11 23:08:16 cu Jun 11 23:44:59 anyone using gentoo here? Jun 12 00:00:47 thejapa: yes Jun 12 00:10:54 JustinP: nvm, thanks anyway ! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 12 02:59:56 2006