**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 12 02:59:56 2006 Jun 12 05:14:33 'morning Jun 12 07:56:17 moirning Jun 12 08:22:25 hi Jun 12 08:28:00 hey Jun 12 08:29:35 hmm.. trying to remaster DSL to get minimal initrd for rescue Jun 12 08:36:06 hrw: that bad? Jun 12 08:36:34 XorA: no - I use xfs on my normal system and it cannot be checked/repaired when booted from it Jun 12 08:36:41 so I need another OS to boot. Jun 12 08:37:57 hail zecke Jun 12 08:39:25 master Jun 12 08:40:50 morning all Jun 12 08:41:24 ~lart XOrg in Debian Jun 12 08:41:24 * ibot explains, ever so gently, that if XOrg in Debian doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help Jun 12 08:41:49 I just love to lose keyboard in X session... Jun 12 08:42:34 hehe Jun 12 08:42:41 I love xkb Jun 12 08:42:45 do13_: hey, how are you? Jun 12 08:42:50 its good to have sysrq in kernel.. Jun 12 08:42:54 morning all Jun 12 08:42:59 hey RP Jun 12 08:43:00 hi RP Jun 12 08:43:12 hey zecke, fine after 2 weeks vacation:) Jun 12 08:43:36 do13_: yeah, that sounds good Jun 12 08:45:35 zecke: first day at work and I have the feeling 2 weeks are too short Jun 12 08:47:57 fake a sickness Jun 12 08:48:15 e.g. you can't type because you have "Tennisarm" Jun 12 09:19:56 morning all Jun 12 10:06:13 hi Jun 12 10:07:38 does anybody know how to load module sharpzdc_cs ? Jun 12 10:08:20 i executed "insmod sharpzdc_cs". i got the following message. then, sharpzdc_cs module could not usable. Jun 12 10:08:51 Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/pcmcia/sharpzdc_cs.o Jun 12 10:08:51 Warning: loading sharpzdc_cs will taint the kernel: no license Jun 12 10:09:50 why got i this message ? Jun 12 10:09:54 i got Jun 12 10:10:20 and how to solve the problem Jun 12 10:10:26 it's not a real problem. Jun 12 10:10:34 Because the module's not released under the GPL, I'm guessing Jun 12 10:10:56 and this should not make the module un usable Jun 12 10:11:10 i can load sharpzdc_cs.o. but i cannot found /dev/sharp_zdc file. Jun 12 10:11:22 it's just some call missing in the module, to set the licence. Jun 12 10:11:30 You probably have to mknod /dev/sharp_zdc Jun 12 10:11:36 ah ... Jun 12 10:11:40 mknod Jun 12 10:12:13 but i don't know what major/minor. Jun 12 10:13:40 umm yea, that's a problem. Jun 12 10:16:19 nemu: list of major / minors for devices are in the file : Jun 12 10:16:27 /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt Jun 12 10:16:59 also, cat /proc/devices will give the list of majors Jun 12 10:17:16 this works for CF too ? Jun 12 10:17:32 CF Sharp-CAM Jun 12 10:19:09 ok ... Jun 12 10:19:31 when i reboot system, i got it. :) Jun 12 10:19:49 great :) Jun 12 10:20:31 sharp-cammera-support ..blahblah.ipk have to reboot. Jun 12 10:20:43 after install it :) Jun 12 10:21:58 huu... finished :) realtime cammera streaming program. Jun 12 10:23:05 thx all :^) Jun 12 10:23:14 np. Jun 12 10:23:21 have fun ! Jun 12 10:23:29 okie. :) Jun 12 10:36:52 http://www.o-hand.com/~richard/qemu.html might be of interest to people. It includes a sample qemuarm image complete with a toolchain. Jun 12 10:38:00 hey Jun 12 10:38:27 hey zecke, RP Jun 12 10:39:03 hey Liam Jun 12 10:39:14 hey Dirk. Jun 12 10:39:17 is there someone there that do kernel developpment for the zaurus ? Jun 12 10:39:23 hi Liam Jun 12 10:39:37 magnet: yes Jun 12 10:39:39 I'm looking for some information about which tools I could use. Jun 12 10:39:47 actually developping for me is a pain. Jun 12 10:39:51 oh great RP. Jun 12 10:39:59 magnet: OE? :) Jun 12 10:40:15 RP: I'm wondering about it. Jun 12 10:40:17 RP: should I stop the autobuild for poky? Jun 12 10:40:32 zecke: What's it failing on? Jun 12 10:40:58 RP: detect-stylus (n770), and missing gconftool-2 on the host for web (qemuarm) Jun 12 10:41:19 RP: I could install the later, but is that the 'proper' fix to install gconftool-2? Jun 12 10:41:32 zecke: I've asked Chris about it - no reply as yet Jun 12 10:41:48 zecke: I'll also add detect-stylus in the short term Jun 12 10:42:11 damn I hate this zaurus. Jun 12 10:42:17 if I wouldn't be soo busy, I would send patches :} Jun 12 10:42:21 lrg: sorry, I had no time to test your latest asoc release Jun 12 10:42:47 magnet: FWIW, I do all my development for it under OE Jun 12 10:43:03 do13, np, I've got a bug fix coming out soon. best to wait Jun 12 10:43:39 RP: I guess I'll do the same , ( using oe ), but it's not very good for me Jun 12 10:43:44 I don't own another computer. Jun 12 10:43:58 lrg: My wife does not allow to use the laptop during vacation:) Jun 12 10:44:27 hehe Jun 12 10:44:27 do13: heh Jun 12 10:44:29 lrg: so I got your mail yesterday Jun 12 10:44:30 good wife Jun 12 10:49:31 I could do with being banned from a computer for a while... Jun 12 10:50:45 * lrg gives RP an ASBO banning him from a computer Jun 12 10:53:16 * RP notes he's not in Scottish jurisdiction ;-) Jun 12 10:53:37 heh Jun 12 10:54:16 looks like oesources is down :( Jun 12 10:54:26 can anyone see it ? Jun 12 10:54:57 yah, treke.net seems to have dropped off the net Jun 12 10:55:23 you might be able to find what you need at sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/ Jun 12 10:55:25 though ggilbert and ggilbert_ are still here Jun 12 10:56:06 Hmm treke.net works here Jun 12 10:56:38 here too. Jun 12 10:57:27 ah, maybe it's just firewalled from the uk Jun 12 10:57:50 actually, now it works for me as well Jun 12 10:57:55 must just have been some transient outage Jun 12 11:07:25 * chouimat is back. Jun 12 11:08:09 morning Jun 12 11:09:33 hi. Jun 12 11:27:21 RP: which device do you own ? Jun 12 11:29:31 magnet: My main devices are a c760 and a c3000 Jun 12 11:32:20 oh good, I got 3100. Jun 12 11:47:27 zecke: latest web svn should fix your gconf problem Jun 12 11:55:19 zecke: Is SRCDATE="now" supposed to work for svn? Jun 12 11:55:34 yes :} Jun 12 11:59:12 Hm, anyone able to give me a pointer to something on getting started with developing for OPIE using OE? Or is that more a #distro question? Jun 12 11:59:59 zecke: right, it does. The user on the otherhand, doesn't ;-) Jun 12 12:00:49 ~users Jun 12 12:00:59 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. Jun 12 12:01:10 NAbyss: we did Opie development using QVFb most of the time Jun 12 12:01:31 hello ! Jun 12 12:01:34 NAbyss: in the Opie tree there is a documentation (by mickeyl) on how to use the Opie buildsystem to build using OE stuff Jun 12 12:01:50 zecke: Is that opie dev, or opie app dev? Jun 12 12:01:58 NAbyss: both Jun 12 12:02:19 zecke: Ah, shall take a look then Jun 12 12:03:28 going home now Jun 12 12:08:08 Any idea why hotplug won't create ttyUSBx when device is pluged ? Jun 12 12:09:58 Ifaistos: Did you modprobe the serial chip's module, or just usbserial? Jun 12 12:11:20 NAbyss: I have added this to modprobe.d Jun 12 12:11:28 NAbyss: options usbserial vendor=0xaf0 product=0x6300 Jun 12 12:11:49 Ifaistos: That just probes the generic usb serial class, not the module specific to the serial chip Jun 12 12:11:54 for eg, I have to modprobe pl5101 Jun 12 12:13:15 NAbyss: Its a 3g pcmcia card. inside it has a cardbus usb controler and attched to it 3 serial ports Jun 12 12:13:30 NAbyss: if i manually modprobe it works... Jun 12 12:13:52 Ifaistos: Hmm, do a lsmod right after you modprobe, see if there's another module that depends on usbserial Jun 12 12:17:49 NAbyss: For some reason it complete ingnores the modprobe.d entry. i just rebooted and the usbserial is not loaded Jun 12 12:18:42 Weird Jun 12 12:20:05 how do I add mirrors to local.conf ? the wiki page is missing. Jun 12 12:21:06 export GNU_MIRROR = "http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/gnu" Jun 12 12:21:06 export DEBIAN_MIRROR = "http://mirror.optusnet.com.au/debian/pool" Jun 12 12:21:06 # export SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR = "http://optusnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge" Jun 12 12:21:12 Minus the # Jun 12 12:21:26 thanks. Jun 12 12:21:39 it's for sources.redhat.com Jun 12 12:22:13 No idea.. try REDHAT_MIRROR? Jun 12 12:22:25 I'm trying to, but first I must locate it. Jun 12 12:23:31 good. thanks for the help NAbyss . Jun 12 12:23:46 np Jun 12 12:28:03 NAbyss: I checked the usbhotplug config files and the card is not mentioned there. any idea which file from the 3 availiable i should update ? Jun 12 12:28:18 Ifaistos: Absolutely none.. haven't had reason to play with hotplug much Jun 12 12:34:45 Ifaistos: Its probably not using hotplug but udev Jun 12 12:36:03 * RP notes removing hotplug from 2.6 OE images to his todo list Jun 12 12:37:20 hey RP Jun 12 12:37:22 hows life? Jun 12 12:37:25 RP: Hi ! Shouldn't udev read the modpro.d and init the card ? Jun 12 12:40:52 seems others are having similar problems -> http://www.clasohm.com/blog/one-entry?entry_id=12177#comments Jun 12 12:41:04 mithro: Hi, still busy :) Jun 12 12:42:01 Ifaistos: You need to work out where OE is getting its module config from. I'm not 100% sure where it looks Jun 12 12:49:52 RP: Is native a valid machine to use if wanting to build an app to test on the local machine, or is it just a pseudo-machine for cross-compilation? Jun 12 12:50:18 could somebody please add gnutls-1.4.0.tar.bz2 to oesources.org (1.0.23 is the only version I can see) Thanks Jun 12 12:51:02 NAbyss: Its a valid machine and in theory should work Jun 12 12:51:18 RP: Thanks, shall give it a go then Jun 12 14:12:06 is it just our channel or is CIAbot IRC reporting broken eveywhere? Jun 12 14:12:11 morning, btw. Jun 12 14:19:28 hi mickeyl Jun 12 14:19:41 hey pb_ Jun 12 14:20:31 morning mickeyl Jun 12 14:21:55 hi RP Jun 12 14:26:50 btw. no go w/ i2c yet. i power on the camera but I don't get anything else except the exhausted retries error. to be honest, i don't understand what the 2.4 code does anyway. it seems it's registering an own adapter and not just a client driver Jun 12 14:27:27 the mainstone 2.6.9 port doesn't bring me forward as well, because they seem to have add i2c-algo-pxa.c and i2c-adap-pxa, whereas mainline only contains one file Jun 12 14:27:36 pretty confusing Jun 12 14:27:37 heh Jun 12 14:32:03 mickeyl: I think that all got merged into the one driver but I could be wrong Jun 12 14:33:08 mickeyl: Mainline already containts your adapter driver. You just need to add a suitable client Jun 12 14:33:18 i see Jun 12 14:33:50 then i just "need" to port http://vanille.de/temp/linux-2.4.20-mvl/drivers/i2c/e680_camera.c Jun 12 14:34:02 (+ the v4l interface stuff, but that's another story) Jun 12 14:36:53 mickeyl: correct, you just need to port that code Jun 12 15:34:55 hi Jun 12 15:36:09 hi hrw Jun 12 15:36:56 hey Marcin Jun 12 15:38:58 hi hrw Jun 12 15:48:17 something happened today? Jun 12 15:48:39 ~seen TheMasterMind1 Jun 12 15:48:49 themastermind1 is currently on #oe (3d 37m 54s) #openzaurus (3d 37m 54s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 3d 1m 59s, last said: '~change 52 eur to usd'. Jun 12 15:49:11 ~seen reenoo Jun 12 15:49:17 reenoo was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 8d 44m 49s ago, saying: 'hey pb_ '. Jun 12 15:53:03 RP: you're still around ? Jun 12 15:53:47 hrw: hey Jun 12 15:53:56 im headed to the post office in a few Jun 12 15:54:24 hi TheMasterMind1 Jun 12 15:54:29 TheMasterMind1: ok Jun 12 15:57:25 magnet: yes Jun 12 15:57:58 I'm working on some kernel module, is there any known docs for oe about this ? Jun 12 15:58:26 magnet: The best bet would be the orinoco or hostap .bb files Jun 12 15:59:16 good, I'll make the new bb file. Jun 12 16:04:49 someone used acer travelmate laptops? Jun 12 16:06:44 hrw: a long, long time ago Jun 12 16:06:52 none recently Jun 12 16:07:10 although, i almost bought one (actually, four) recently Jun 12 16:08:42 raduga: I'm searching for cheap laptop for Ania and acer travelmate 2423NWXCi looks interesting. celeron M with 1280x800 screen, dvdrw, wifi Jun 12 16:09:51 ops.. 2423NWXMi rather (C has combo not dvdrw) Jun 12 16:09:58 actually, that one looked good to me, too Jun 12 16:10:49 hrw: ended up getting a better deal on an hp sempron64 machine, Jun 12 16:11:09 but I didn't see anything obviously wrong with the 2423nw Jun 12 16:11:13 or Acer Aspire 3623 NWXMI if she will prefer normal keyboard Jun 12 16:12:26 how are the keyboards different? Jun 12 16:12:45 travelmate has 'curved/ergo' ones Jun 12 16:13:23 I'm not finding any good pictures of them, just thumbnails Jun 12 16:13:25 aspire has normal one Jun 12 16:13:34 (of the travelmate kb) Jun 12 16:13:50 http://img.ktr.pl/n/nbactrav2423nwxci/db.jpg is small too.. Jun 12 16:14:13 http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3495.jpg Jun 12 16:14:20 1280x960 one Jun 12 16:14:34 that looks... interesting. Jun 12 16:14:51 i wonder if that gradual of a curve would be annoying Jun 12 16:15:15 ~weather eheh Jun 12 16:15:20 Eindhoven, Netherlands; (EHEH) 51-27N 005-25E 28M; last updated: 2006.06.12 1525 UTC; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Relative Humidity: 30%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 86 F (30 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the S (180 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT) Jun 12 16:15:26 pfff Jun 12 16:15:35 a flat ergo kb might actually not be too bad Jun 12 16:15:46 thanks hrw Jun 12 16:15:50 raduga: np Jun 12 16:15:54 ~weather eppo Jun 12 16:15:57 Poznan, Poland; (EPPO) 52-25N 016-50E 92M; last updated: 2006.06.12 1530 UTC; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.30 in. Hg (1026 hPa); Relative Humidity: 34%; Temperature: 82 F (28 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NNW (330 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) Jun 12 16:16:00 its too hot here Jun 12 16:16:10 ~weather san Jun 12 16:16:13 I can't find station code "SAN" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 12 16:16:16 hrm Jun 12 16:16:52 pb_, yeah the site it's at tends to just disappear for a few minutes every now and then Jun 12 16:17:45 ~weather ksan Jun 12 16:17:49 San Diego, San Diego International-Lindbergh Field, CA, United States; (KSAN) 32-44-01N 117-10-59W 12M; last updated: 2006.06.12 1551 UTC; Dew Point: 50.0 F (10.0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.98 in. Hg (1015 hPa); Relative Humidity: 54%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 66.9 F (19.4 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) Jun 12 16:18:07 hey, let's all head to san diego ... Jun 12 16:18:08 ggilbert: it looks like gnu-tls-1.4.0.tar.bz2 is missing from oesources. Jun 12 16:18:26 effem: it is not too bad today. cloudy and overcast Jun 12 16:18:41 its been about half-cloudy and half-sunny the last few weeks Jun 12 16:18:46 sunny days it gets too warm Jun 12 16:18:51 cloudy days it's ok Jun 12 16:19:10 lrg: I'll add some gnutls mirrors Jun 12 16:19:28 hrw: thanks Jun 12 16:19:49 raduga, I know how san diego can be Jun 12 16:24:26 ggilbert: ah, heh Jun 12 16:24:47 really annoying Jun 12 16:25:50 I have a monitoring script on it to warn me when works network goes down, and half of the code in it is dedicated to making sure it dosn't page the fuck out of me when it disappears instead :p Jun 12 16:33:53 effem: its strange... most people here consider "bright, sunny dry" weather to be... very good. Jun 12 16:34:08 but I love SD the most when its cold, wet, rainy, or foggy, or cloudy, or gloomy Jun 12 16:35:13 I have horrible sunburn from last week :/ even though I went outside (almost) completely covered up, from head to toe Jun 12 16:35:59 this greatly depends on what the standard is. Here we went from the high 60s to almost 90 in only a few days Jun 12 16:36:08 and this is not an airco country Jun 12 16:36:20 * eFfeM likes the shade Jun 12 16:36:56 airco? Jun 12 16:37:42 air conditioner? Jun 12 16:37:57 its been close to 30 degrees, a few times this past month Jun 12 16:38:24 which is better than usual for june. we hit peak at about 33-34 for a month or two in the summer Jun 12 16:38:24 raduga: is it so common in the us that you don't even know the word for it Jun 12 16:38:38 effem: we don't usually call it "airco" Jun 12 16:38:57 btw at the place my son used to work they had "adco" "all doors can open" Jun 12 16:39:00 usually its "AC" or "Air conditioning" Jun 12 16:39:19 I know, forgot about it Jun 12 16:39:19 "Ay See" Jun 12 16:39:39 AC is almost unknown in san diego Jun 12 16:39:50 nobody here uses it; in other cities its more common Jun 12 16:40:10 ~kill monotone Jun 12 16:40:11 i.e. I have fans all over my house Jun 12 16:40:13 * ibot shoots a ionized pseudoelectron gun at monotone Jun 12 16:40:42 is there anyone who can kick the nslu2-OpenSlug Linux on tinderbox ? Jun 12 16:41:00 that is in a few minutes when my change passes by Jun 12 16:41:05 effem: my favorite climate is between 10-25 degrees Jun 12 16:41:26 if it stays near 22 most of the time, going down to maybe 12-13 in the winter, that would be nice Jun 12 16:41:33 hrm Jun 12 16:41:35 problem is that asterisk builds on my system but not on tinderbox due to different dependencies Jun 12 16:41:49 raduga, understand that. I like the sfo weather Jun 12 16:42:16 * eFfeM is heading to india next week, 30 degrees, but very dry air at 1 km height Jun 12 16:43:43 good to hear :) Jun 12 16:45:32 solely work, not even a decent computer store around to burn some money .... Jun 12 16:45:54 (every time I visit the west coast I just have to go to fry's ...) Jun 12 16:49:38 raduga: rainy, foggy, or gloomy is cool because it's different :p Jun 12 16:50:49 effem: i would recommend frys other than San Diego - actually, any of the older (first generation) frys stores Jun 12 16:51:00 the older ones are still themed, and they're kinda trippy inside Jun 12 16:51:08 the newer ones are just big bug-ugly warehouses Jun 12 16:56:07 planet.linuxtogo.org is nice read.. Jun 12 16:56:10 bbl Jun 12 17:23:35 raguda, was away for a while, the only two frys i visited is the one in redmond or milpitas and the one near seattle Jun 12 17:30:55 trying to compile glibc 2.4 with gcc 4.1.1, I get compiler support for __thread is required Jun 12 17:31:13 before I dig into this: is this a known issue/is there a known fix ? Jun 12 17:32:17 effem I never get glibc 2.4 compiled for simpad Jun 12 17:33:10 I know there is a configure option --without-__thread Jun 12 17:33:40 woglinde: as it is on R5, at least some people worked on it and should have gotten beyond configure Jun 12 17:33:46 but you will threads Jun 12 17:35:39 woglinde: configure --help says: --without-__thread do not use TLS features even when supporting them Jun 12 17:35:54 don't know what tls is, I would assume I do have threads. Jun 12 17:36:36 maybe i need glibc-initial_2.4.bb and glibc-intermediate_2.4.bb first .... Jun 12 17:38:30 hmm google gives a lot of info Jun 12 17:45:32 re Jun 12 17:47:21 wb hrw Jun 12 17:47:28 I'd not seen the planet before :) Jun 12 17:48:28 hi rp Jun 12 17:48:31 re hrw Jun 12 17:48:37 RP: ;) Jun 12 17:49:10 woglinde: can you check price of 'Acer Travelmate 2423NWXMi' in berlin? Jun 12 17:50:02 hrw puh Jun 12 17:51:44 ? Jun 12 17:52:01 dont know how to check Jun 12 17:52:13 would use www.geizhalz.at Jun 12 17:52:30 I can look at my local mediamarkt Jun 12 17:53:19 woglinde: ok - here I used few computer shops www pages to check it Jun 12 17:55:13 hrw I will look in the mediamarkt if is available Jun 12 17:55:22 thx Jun 12 17:55:41 because I will buy a mmc card as present for my brother Jun 12 17:57:13 Is gnutls being nows a recent problem? Jun 12 17:57:29 nows? down... Jun 12 17:58:01 RP: w8 a moment - I'll push something for it Jun 12 17:59:16 ~change 650 eur to pln Jun 12 17:59:24 650.00 Euro (EUR) makes 2,595.93 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jun 12 18:07:40 hrw hm Jun 12 18:07:42 http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/product_info.php/notebooks/acer_26/acer_travelmate/acer_travelmate_2423wxi Jun 12 18:08:25 ~change 550 eur to pln Jun 12 18:08:27 woglinde: thx Jun 12 18:08:29 550.00 Euro (EUR) makes 2,196.83 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jun 12 18:08:46 buts wxi only not nwxi Jun 12 18:09:43 ~lart acer for not normal names Jun 12 18:09:43 * ibot nabs the moon and broadsides acer with the sea of tranquility for not normal names Jun 12 18:10:03 hi zecke Jun 12 18:10:23 he zecke Jun 12 18:10:45 hey Jun 12 18:11:30 hrw Jun 12 18:11:32 http://www.mindfactory.de/cgi-bin/MindStore.storefront/DE/Product/0019997?pid=nbinfo Jun 12 18:11:52 in this online shop I bought serval things one printer and one desktop pc Jun 12 18:12:18 hi zecke Jun 12 18:12:40 zecke: I gave your tinderbox builds a few different error messages ;-) Jun 12 18:12:47 good :) Jun 12 18:12:59 RP: now you only need to inject code to make the website blink Jun 12 18:13:35 wtf is puzzles? Jun 12 18:14:04 zecke: A nice collection of gtk based games. Very addictive. Try it on your desktop ;-) Jun 12 18:15:30 hrw is this the notebook you want? Jun 12 18:19:41 woglinde: moment Jun 12 18:20:08 woglinde: yes Jun 12 18:20:08 RP: no I'm supposed to study for my exam... :} Jun 12 18:20:55 hrw hm Jun 12 18:21:12 hrw maybee I can buy it for you Jun 12 18:21:22 and keep it? Jun 12 18:21:27 no Jun 12 18:21:36 you own me a macpro Jun 12 18:21:39 zecke! Jun 12 18:21:46 own me? Jun 12 18:21:48 owe you? Jun 12 18:21:58 hms Jun 12 18:22:07 owned Jun 12 18:22:50 'evening all Jun 12 18:25:06 woglinde: I will compare this price with local ones Jun 12 18:27:30 woglinde: that shop sell it for less then acer.de want for it Jun 12 18:27:49 hrw hm dont forget the shipping pay Jun 12 18:28:31 23,99 for 24h express Jun 12 18:28:58 ok - will remember Jun 12 18:29:18 6,90 normal Jun 12 18:29:24 but than last 4 weeks Jun 12 18:32:04 zecke: At least both builds fail on the same thing now :) Jun 12 18:33:59 good Jun 12 18:35:18 * zecke considers approaching the CELF and asking to get money to work on tinderbox... Jun 12 18:36:02 zecke: We first need to convince them OE is good as they're not convinved yet... Jun 12 18:36:22 zecke: A response to that email from Tim Bird would be a good start Jun 12 18:36:32 a new one? Jun 12 18:37:13 RP: they're convinced - they use OE in their new test lab Jun 12 18:37:51 CosmicPenguin: His email said "tried to use", didn't it? Jun 12 18:38:21 RP: the last I heard from Matthew Locke (the owner of the lab), they were up and running Jun 12 18:38:38 CosmicPenguin: ok, fair enough :) Jun 12 18:38:49 * CosmicPenguin shrugs Jun 12 18:38:55 Improving tinderbox would be extremely useful... Jun 12 18:39:15 I went to his presentation at the CELF conference - surprised the heck out of me when they said they were using OE Jun 12 18:39:19 The only thing is we probably need to rewrite it a lot do deal with OE in an effective way... Jun 12 18:39:51 not much Jun 12 18:40:01 RP: there is not much to rewrite, just make it more configurable Jun 12 18:40:34 zecke: I'd like to see failures at the package level, not the target level Jun 12 18:41:19 zecke: So you could see package X was failing on machines A,B and C with DISTROs D and E Jun 12 18:41:34 RP: well. I would start with 'bonsai' integration first Jun 12 18:41:42 cu Jun 12 18:41:43 RP: but then yes. The ultimate goal is a query tool like Jun 12 18:41:46 woglinde: thx again Jun 12 18:41:57 show me all configurations where FOO failed Jun 12 18:42:15 CosmicPenguin: It'd be nice to know more about these people using OE and how we could help them :) Jun 12 18:42:32 RP: the lab is public Jun 12 18:42:46 RP: did you see it yet? they do builds and then run the thing on a OMAP machine Jun 12 18:43:01 zecke: I haven't see it... Jun 12 18:43:48 http://testlab.celinuxforum.org/ Jun 12 18:43:54 zecke I need you dvb-h device four the uni Jun 12 18:45:35 woglinde: well ask BenQ. I think they sell them for 5 to 10k Jun 12 18:55:07 RP: oh both fail on gnutls? Jun 12 18:55:16 RP: we should just add a mirror to base.bbclass Jun 12 18:56:28 Hello. Jun 12 18:56:37 hi sirfred Jun 12 19:02:17 mickeyl: What an strange thing. Compiling qte the same way that bitbake does gives me runtime errors (complains about missing symbols like __cxa_guard_acquire). I'm able to fix it just using arm-linux-g++ to link instead of arm-linux-gcc. But, why is it working from bitbake? Jun 12 19:02:39 RP: can qemu boot and provide a virtual display? Jun 12 19:02:43 mickeyl: Or in another words: Good evening. ;-) Jun 12 19:02:44 RP: without a XServer running? Jun 12 19:03:07 sirfred: specifying -lsupc++? Jun 12 19:03:34 zecke: instead of linking with arm-linux-g++ ? Jun 12 19:04:06 yes Jun 12 19:04:14 g++ links the fullblown stdc++ to it Jun 12 19:04:54 q Jun 12 19:04:57 zecke: But as a dynamic lib, true? Jun 12 19:05:16 zecke: I don't see any trace of supc++ being used in the bitbake log. Jun 12 19:06:01 sirfred: we do not use it for QtE Jun 12 19:06:06 sirfred: but when we link applications Jun 12 19:06:28 sirfred: yes, dynamically but most Opie/Qtopia apps do not use stl at all Jun 12 19:08:21 zecke: Well, this is a dark and inhospitable world for me. Jun 12 19:08:46 does the 2.6 kernel have anything like the MTDPARTS used with the 2.4 kernel? Jun 12 19:09:23 zecke: The thing is that the only piece I've changed is libqte. If the libsupc++ is linked in the binary, lets say qpe, I still don't understand. Jun 12 19:13:28 zecke: Adding mirrors would be good. I suspect OE has a similar problem so if we fix that, I'll mirror the fix Jun 12 19:14:14 zecke: I've not seen qemu use a null display so probably not out the box but it shouldn't be difficult to patch in - just make the SDL calls null... Jun 12 19:15:25 RP: haha, this would require me finding time :) Jun 12 19:15:44 RP: let us see if I get too annoyed with the red... Jun 12 19:15:57 zecke: You have this problem as well now? :) Jun 12 19:16:31 RP: Next month I will go to vacation ;) Jun 12 19:16:39 Who wants to host me for a week? ;) Jun 12 19:16:58 I go to GUADEC soon. I'm not sure what that counts as... Jun 12 19:17:30 * zecke has his first exam on Friday Jun 12 19:17:37 zecke: I'd offer but there isn't enough space here for me, let alone anyone else :-( Jun 12 19:18:03 mallum pays that bad? :} Jun 12 19:18:05 poor guy Jun 12 19:18:06 zecke: i could host you for a week if you came to Australia :) Jun 12 19:18:20 mithro: A week would be not enough Jun 12 19:18:25 but I will consider this offer Jun 12 19:18:52 zecke: I've imposed myself on you enough, I think the least I could do is return the offer Jun 12 19:19:58 RP: if you are as 'blowzy' as I am, things would change dramatically if you wash your dish(es) Jun 12 19:20:24 zecke: I'm at home with parents so not washing dishes is not an option ;-) Jun 12 19:21:15 RP: you are at home as well? Jun 12 19:21:16 wow Jun 12 19:21:51 * zecke poses too much work on his mother... Jun 12 19:22:04 Have you looked at the UK housing market recently? :-( Jun 12 19:22:25 same here in France :-/ (with parents too) Jun 12 19:22:26 no, not recently Jun 12 19:22:32 * zecke as well Jun 12 19:22:42 RP: I expect it not to be worse than here in Spain. Jun 12 19:23:00 But perhaps it is, because a lot of english are buying houses in my country. Jun 12 19:23:03 Berlin has many cheap flats around Jun 12 19:23:03 i'm at home with the parents too :) Jun 12 19:23:21 and if you don't mind Nazis you can even move next to woglinde :} Jun 12 19:23:28 (not that he is one) Jun 12 19:23:35 mainly because I have no income Jun 12 19:23:37 steorotypes :) Jun 12 19:23:44 rather then the lack of housing Jun 12 19:23:44 mithro oh :( Jun 12 19:23:55 woglinde: still a Uni student Jun 12 19:24:04 * zecke has no income as well, thanks to his lovely 'father' Jun 12 19:24:31 I could rent something but I'd much prefer to buy something so I need to wait until that's possible... Jun 12 19:24:40 damnit goal for italia Jun 12 19:24:56 RP: How much could a House "weight" in your country? Jun 12 19:25:28 sirfred: Around here you'd probably find nothing below 80,000GBP Jun 12 19:25:43 RP: Thats twice in euro, more or less? Jun 12 19:25:48 160,000 € ? Jun 12 19:25:58 Near enough Jun 12 19:26:11 RP: Talking about a whole house or a flat? Jun 12 19:26:29 sirfred: probably a flat or a very small terrace for that Jun 12 19:26:40 sirfred: I have the added problem of my bike insurance requiring a garage and houses with garages cost a lot more say 120,000+ Jun 12 19:26:56 Expensive enough Jun 12 19:27:12 How does that compare to Spain? Jun 12 19:27:17 in the uk isnt so much space Jun 12 19:27:30 so prices are up Jun 12 19:27:47 I should also note that is a cheaper part of the UK in the grim north! Jun 12 19:28:00 rp uh hm Jun 12 19:28:10 RP: It's cheaper here, I'm in the northwest of Spain. Jun 12 19:28:10 but who wants to live their Jun 12 19:28:18 woglinde: Al ;) Jun 12 19:28:45 woglinde: I like it here. The south is too busy and crowded. Just don't tell them about up here ;-) Jun 12 19:28:56 woglinde: If I don't mess up too much things with Al, I will live in the UK soon(tm) :} Jun 12 19:29:10 zecke hm Jun 12 19:29:26 soon a matter of years, in contrast to decades Jun 12 19:29:26 zecke: Which part of the UK are you aiming at? Jun 12 19:29:34 RP: I'm now looking for a house. A whole house, lets say 200 square meters of surface with a property of 2.000 square meters, about 200.000 - 300.000 euro. Jun 12 19:29:56 RP: Not the south (south of you though) Jun 12 19:30:05 RP: I think she would go for yorkshire Jun 12 19:30:09 RP: But the price changes a lot from place to place. Jun 12 19:30:30 sirfred: That sounds bigger than the places I'm thinking of :) Jun 12 19:30:46 RP: Anyway, prices are going up very fast, because of German and English. ;-) Jun 12 19:31:04 Now, with the cheap flights, a lot of them are considering buying houses for vacation here. Jun 12 19:31:12 zecke: Yorkshire is ok. Its still a long way North - I can be in Yorkshire in a few hours Jun 12 19:31:22 * RP knows some good pubs in the Dales :) Jun 12 19:31:55 sirfred: I near enough know people with such houses :-/ Jun 12 19:32:24 RP: But, for example, in Madrid, where I used to live, prices are much higuer. For a 100 square meter flat you could pay 400.000 euro. Jun 12 19:32:56 sirfred: Lets not even think of what such a flat would cost in London! Jun 12 19:32:57 s/higuer/higher Jun 12 19:33:47 RP: I've heard that people is inheriting debts. Jun 12 19:34:31 Can you inherit debts? Jun 12 19:35:09 RP: Banks are giving mortgages to pay in 50 years. Jun 12 19:35:24 RP: So,... if you get one of those at 25 years old... well. Jun 12 19:35:37 RP: But I heard of that in London, perhaps it's not true. Jun 12 19:36:20 So , I suppose that you can inherite the flat, but also with the mortgage or something so. Jun 12 19:37:03 You definetly can't inherit debt. When you die, the estate would be sold and the bank pid back Jun 12 19:37:13 paid Jun 12 19:38:38 Perhaps fathers are selling the property to their childs. Jun 12 19:38:47 They can subrogate to the same mortgage, I suppose. Jun 12 19:39:54 At least here in Spain, the mortgate is associated with the property, not the individual. Jun 12 19:40:13 If you're lucky, then the price of the flat will go up enough to pay for the loan when you sell it Jun 12 19:40:13 You can transfer your mortgage to another person, if, for example, he buys your property. Jun 12 19:41:23 I have to leave now. Jun 12 19:41:24 See you. Jun 12 20:09:16 Why is kernel.bbclass specificially building genksyms? Jun 12 20:12:09 CosmicPenguin: for inter module deps? Jun 12 20:12:19 (guess) Jun 12 20:12:45 I've no idea Jun 12 20:13:18 Well, I've lots of ideas but not useful ones :) Jun 12 20:14:18 it seems to get quite angry when you build a moduleless kernel Jun 12 20:15:10 CosmicPenguin: modprobe also got upset when you booted images like that. I fixed it but my fix should prehaps be installed by modutils instead... Jun 12 20:37:00 hi Jun 12 20:38:07 wb hrw Jun 12 20:39:51 hrw: hey Jun 12 20:40:06 i mailed the package this afternoon- got it insured for $500 Jun 12 20:43:05 TheMasterMind1: good to know Jun 12 20:43:22 TheMasterMind1: how much was postage costs? Jun 12 20:43:53 RP: did my last changesets help with fetching gnutls? Jun 12 20:46:37 hrw: don't worry bout it Jun 12 20:46:47 hrw: Ah, CIA is broken? :) Jun 12 20:46:53 RP: looks like it Jun 12 20:47:15 TheMasterMind1: I do not worry Jun 12 20:48:44 hrw: oh thanks Jun 12 20:49:19 zecke: thx for notice that I did it in not best way Jun 12 20:49:36 zecke: .oz354x use oz 3.5.4 sources/ dir before oesources Jun 12 20:52:24 hrw: Thanks, it solves the problem and I'll check it into poky :) Jun 12 20:52:47 I love php programmers which show SQL queries.. Jun 12 20:52:57 http://www.tanio.net/TravelMate-2423NWXMi-PN-LXTB20C053/index.php?id=30893&mode=DodajOpinie Jun 12 20:54:02 hrw, I love php programmers period ;-) Jun 12 20:54:04 hrw: looks like a Matrix wallpapers, but in blue ;) Jun 12 20:54:26 hrw: they obey GPL3? Jun 12 20:54:33 showing the source code of the web app :} Jun 12 20:54:39 ;)) Jun 12 20:54:58 the database address + pw is inside the HTML? Jun 12 20:55:30 zecke, force freedom upon users with an iron fist ;-) Jun 12 20:58:11 RP: how do you feel - will Pavel finally start to cooperate with us or not? Jun 12 21:04:44 re Jun 12 21:20:50 *g* Jun 12 21:20:51 http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/22786.html Jun 12 21:21:34 oh hrw answer Jun 12 21:21:39 s Jun 12 21:23:13 ;) Jun 12 21:24:13 ~change 2036 pln to eur Jun 12 21:24:17 2,036.00 Zloty (PLN) makes 509.679 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jun 12 21:26:32 woglinde: local price for Acer TravelMate 2423NWXMi Jun 12 21:26:46 hrw: He'll continue as he is now. In his eyes he is cooperating :-/ Jun 12 21:26:54 digged and found. Jun 12 21:27:04 RP: nearly zautrix way Jun 12 21:27:08 ~emulate zautrix Jun 12 21:27:09 this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away Jun 12 21:27:24 ~emulate hrw Jun 12 21:27:39 * hrw cannot be cloned or emulated ;D Jun 12 21:28:19 hrw hm Jun 12 21:28:30 hrw I should buy in poland Jun 12 21:29:06 ;) Jun 12 21:29:39 hrw: I'll probably look at pulling his collie patches into OE at some point. I shouldn't have to but its the only way we'll get somewhere :-/ Jun 12 21:30:26 zecke: Tinderbox went green ;-) Jun 12 21:30:39 RP: his tree was a bit mess last time I looked into.. but its probably because I did not understand git Jun 12 21:30:53 hrw: No, his tree is a mess :-( Jun 12 21:31:21 hrw: His broken out patches are a mess. It'll need cleaning before we can use it Jun 12 21:32:34 zautrix way... Jun 12 21:33:10 get something which work and make it working only for author. Refuse any cooperation other then "sources available" Jun 12 21:34:39 nite Jun 12 21:35:07 btw - http://planet.linuxtogo.org/ will get some more content from my blog - switched to FeedBurner so also my del.icio.us bookmarks will appear Jun 12 21:42:56 RP: wow, it went green Jun 12 21:43:00 RP: cheater ;) Jun 12 21:43:40 RP: what is the email address you use for the OE bug tracker? Jun 12 21:45:16 RP: you can login into the tinderbox using your OE bug tracker account Jun 12 21:45:28 RP: and you can manage poky stuff (remove machines, change defaults) Jun 12 21:46:49 okay good nite Jun 12 21:47:50 * Philippe is away: visual contact - melancholic dreams Jun 12 21:55:02 RP: [ARM] 3547/1: PXA-OHCI: Allow platforms to specify a power budget Jun 12 21:55:13 RP: can we add it into current 2.6.16? Jun 12 22:23:16 hrw: We can. Its in my patches directory already, we just need to add it :) Jun 12 22:24:52 RP: I think that its nice to get it - it should remove those 'my wlan stick is detected but not work' posts iirc? Jun 12 22:25:04 * hrw plays with google earth/linux Jun 12 22:25:06 hrw: Yes, it should Jun 12 22:25:56 hrw: I'll probably do a big kernel update in the next few days Jun 12 22:26:02 great Jun 12 22:26:28 I've got a rather time consuming job out the way (not work related) and have a certain bit of time back now :) Jun 12 22:28:40 'night all Jun 12 22:28:47 hmm.. nice things can be found.. Jun 12 22:28:49 n8 rp Jun 12 22:28:53 * hrw goes sleep too Jun 12 22:31:58 cu Jun 12 23:50:18 http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=ch03s02 : Jun 12 23:50:27 s/OE.db.bz2.md5sum/OE.db.bz2.md5/ Jun 12 23:50:32 s/bunzip/bunzip2/ Jun 13 00:55:38 damn, mtn is a lot faster than it used to be, isnt it Jun 13 01:43:42 * chouimat is away: Zzzzz Jun 13 01:57:20 | checking if gmp.h version and libgmp version are the same... (4.1.2/4.2) no Jun 13 01:57:20 | configure: error: 'gmp.h' and 'libgmp' have different versions, or (on some platforms) libgmp couldn't be found! You have to properly reinstall GMP. Jun 13 01:57:20 | FATAL: oe_runconf failed Jun 13 01:57:20 NOTE: Task failed: /home/celf/individual/celf/OE-20060305_omap5912osk_familiar-unstable_11_20060613/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/mpfr-native-2.1.1-r1/temp/log.do_configure.9163 Jun 13 02:29:51 the generic.conf and generic-uclibc.conf need to make their TARGET_FPU condnitional on arch Jun 13 02:29:57 TARGET_FPU_arm, TARGET_FPU_armeb **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 13 02:59:56 2006