**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 15 02:59:56 2006 Jun 15 05:13:32 moin Jun 15 05:16:38 Ello Jun 15 05:28:37 need to go to class to turn the assignment in :} Jun 15 05:28:49 it is too hot to actually attend this class. Jun 15 06:50:56 Hi, all! Jun 15 06:55:42 I've update my OE.db just now and get "monotone: multiple update candidates" error when trying to do monotone update on org.openembedded.dev repos. Jun 15 07:01:31 Any body here? Jun 15 07:28:41 justalad: I'm here... I'll take a look... Jun 15 07:31:22 justalad: Fixed now. Jun 15 07:37:21 v8jlene: Thanks. Jun 15 07:39:31 v8jlene: Where can I get fixed OE.db? Jun 15 07:53:14 justalad: Just do a "monotone pull" and it'll update it to the latest which will include the fix. Jun 15 07:53:28 justalad: Then "monotone update" will work fine. Jun 15 07:55:10 v8jlene: pull from where? from monotone.openembedded.org? Jun 15 07:55:53 justalad: Let me check... monotone.vanille.de Jun 15 07:56:38 justalad: I've set that up as the default for monotone... so I don't need to specify it all the time. See http://oe.twibble.org/mediawiki/index.php/Working_with_Monotone for details on how to do that. Jun 15 07:57:00 good morning Jun 15 08:03:50 v8jlene: Thanks once more :-) Jun 15 08:23:20 hi all Jun 15 08:25:39 mickeyl:I've tried it and it seems to work. I didn't clear the tmp directory before tring it. I don't have any gues if this influences the success. Jun 15 08:28:37 ciao Jun 15 08:37:14 morning all Jun 15 08:41:37 morning Richard Jun 15 09:10:46 Take off from work, watch RoboCup! Jun 15 09:23:15 hi Jun 15 09:27:28 hi CoreDump|home Jun 15 09:52:56 hi all Jun 15 09:54:09 hey Jun 15 09:57:14 ibot: botmail mickeyl:Hi, I've tried it and first I thought that it is ok but it only builds because of I didn't delete the tmp directory. You have said that you have fixed the simpad.conf file. I did a monotone database and a monotone update and it says that there are no changes. did I test the right version? Jun 15 09:57:27 sorry for the ibot message Jun 15 09:57:45 I have to get used to read the manual first Jun 15 09:58:25 hail zecke Jun 15 10:01:17 how to see if a botmail succeded? do I have to write the botmail things here ore somewehere special? Jun 15 10:01:42 CROSS COMPILE Badness... error when bitbake linphone. Who interest in this? Jun 15 10:01:53 you? Jun 15 10:02:17 mr_nice: ibot tells you "Okay" Jun 15 10:02:36 ~botmail for mr_nice hey Jun 15 10:03:21 I mean who or how can fix this error Jun 15 10:03:47 justalad: do you understand this message? Jun 15 10:04:10 justalad: the package you compile (which I don't know as you didn't say its name) Jun 15 10:04:16 I think no :-) Jun 15 10:04:27 justalad: you know what a include file is? Jun 15 10:05:23 /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include Jun 15 10:05:33 justalad: you know what a include file is? Jun 15 10:05:57 no Jun 15 10:06:49 some from linphone I think Jun 15 10:06:58 justalad: you might prefer using pre compiled packages Jun 15 10:07:09 and what package is that you tried to compile? Jun 15 10:07:38 linphone indeed Jun 15 10:08:03 okay, feel free to report a bug at bugs.openembedded.org Jun 15 10:08:20 justalad: and if you found out what a compiler is and what header files do Jun 15 10:08:39 justalad: we could help you in fixing this issue yourself, in the meantime use a precompiled version of linphone Jun 15 10:09:37 cc1: internal compiler error: Aborted Jun 15 10:10:10 justalad: lol Jun 15 10:10:25 may be :-) Jun 15 10:10:27 justalad: learn to read what people wrote, use google, and if you do not know what compiling is about Jun 15 10:10:33 DON't compile :) Jun 15 10:12:00 let bitbake know Jun 15 10:12:13 and compile Jun 15 10:14:29 nano was compiled very well, but I need linphone working on my hx4700 :-) Jun 15 10:14:44 justalad: yeah, use a pre compiled package Jun 15 10:14:51 justalad: distributed by your distribution Jun 15 10:16:11 not found linphone package for familiar 0.8.4 :-( Jun 15 10:16:29 justalad: then ask your distributor to distribute it Jun 15 10:16:46 justalad: I could waste my time in explaining you the issue, and explaining how to fix it Jun 15 10:17:01 justalad: but I think you do not have the basic knowledge to do it Jun 15 10:17:29 justalad: so the best thing you can do is: file a bug report, and ask your distribution to include the package... Jun 15 10:19:21 justalad: and if linphone wouldn't work, how would you fix it? Jun 15 10:20:25 I know how compile my C-projects, but while I didn't know how bitbake does it Jun 15 10:21:04 justalad: and you do not know what a include file is? Jun 15 10:22:31 justalad: one linphone file is compiled with -I/usr/include in the compile line Jun 15 10:22:33 no, I know what it is, of course Jun 15 10:23:04 justalad: this can have all sort of ill effects, this is why we patched gcc to puke when seeing /usr/include Jun 15 10:23:16 justalad: so depending on the buildsystem of linphone Jun 15 10:23:25 justalad: either patch their Makefile, or autotools usage Jun 15 10:23:25 autotooled Jun 15 10:23:42 justalad: so if it is autoconf/autotools based check config.log Jun 15 10:23:55 justalad: and see who is assuming /usr/include has the needed stuff... Jun 15 10:24:46 some clearly for me :-) Jun 15 10:26:33 who is guilty and what to do Jun 15 10:26:58 justalad: linphone authors, fix it Jun 15 10:27:17 see above for the general procedure Jun 15 10:29:41 I'm afraid only authors DNA problem, others may be fixed :-) Jun 15 10:33:02 zecke, thanks for showing the way Jun 15 10:33:54 to the next whiskey bar Jun 15 10:34:18 Is there any documentation about openembedded insted of the sourcecode,openembedded.org and bitbake.belios.de? Jun 15 10:35:37 mr_nice: only work in progress Jun 15 10:35:49 mr_nice: but www.openembedded.org is the authority in documentation Jun 15 10:42:31 zecke: Can we close bug 315? Jun 15 10:42:35 morning mickeyl Jun 15 10:43:57 hail mickeyl Jun 15 10:43:57 and 918 I guess Jun 15 11:01:28 hey RP, pb_ Jun 15 11:07:55 cya later Jun 15 11:11:07 cya zecke Jun 15 11:30:29 hi all Jun 15 11:30:39 How are you guys think about it? Jun 15 11:30:39 I want to build a Slackware based distribution for the SIMpad. I can't use much Jun 15 11:30:39 of openembedded. The packages are ordered in a different style so I have to writ Jun 15 11:30:39 e a wrapper or something. I also need to write a Slackware package system part f Jun 15 11:30:39 or oe. Even the packaging philosophie is compleate diffrent - here everything se Jun 15 11:30:39 ems to be debian style(huge load of splitted down packages). I also don't need g Jun 15 11:30:41 pe or opie I want to use xynth. I'm used to build Slackware distributions for x8 Jun 15 11:30:43 6 systems with SlackBuild files. Do you think it is better for me to learn pytho Jun 15 11:30:45 n,bitbake and openembedded or shuld I yust grab the patches and build it uppon S Jun 15 11:30:47 lackBuilds? Jun 15 11:30:49 sorry Jun 15 11:31:02 f*c*ing client Jun 15 11:31:55 read it here (http://pastebin.com/710522) Jun 15 11:32:05 sorry *shame Jun 15 11:37:05 mr_nice: OE is debian styled. It'd probably be easier if you accepted that and installed an OE derived system onto you simpad rather than trying to mimic slackware Jun 15 11:39:07 RP: so you think if i want a slackware styled system grabbing the patches and build up an SlackBuilds is easier Jun 15 11:39:35 mr_nice: No, as you will have to convert those scripts to cross compile and that will be very hard Jun 15 11:40:25 harder than adding slackware to oe? Jun 15 11:40:47 Teaching OE to mimic slackware will be easier than trying to convert slackbuild scripts. I'm still not sure what the point of mimicing slackware is though Jun 15 11:41:37 RP: I just like slackware Jun 15 11:42:07 So do I and I use it on my servers. Trying to run it on my handhelds would be madness. Jun 15 11:42:41 RP: well this is your opinion Jun 15 11:43:15 RP: evt. I just use the arm-quemu as familar do it? Jun 15 11:43:39 RP: than the SlackBuilds arn't the problem any longer Jun 15 11:44:53 mr_nice: You asked for an opinion and I gave one. You don't like my answer so feel free to do what you like. Jun 15 11:45:34 mr_nice: It is going to be a long painful and complicated road for you and I'm not sure the effort is justified for the outcome Jun 15 11:45:34 RP:Please don't missunderstand me Jun 15 11:46:18 wb zecke Jun 15 11:47:28 RP: but there I could learn more than by just using oe. I will just try it and than maybe I will come back to debian like systems ;). Thanks for your opinion. Jun 15 11:48:29 mr_nice: Before you decide anything, get a "normal" simpad image working from OE. Reagrdless of which way you proceed, the effort of doing that will be useful Jun 15 11:48:52 RP: I have one working familiar image on it Jun 15 11:49:14 RP: I'm not here... Jun 15 11:49:17 RP: And I will use it in the mentime Jun 15 11:49:38 mr_nice: If you built it yourself, that's a good start then :) Jun 15 11:51:01 RP: no this one wasn't build myself. But yesterday I have build a bootstrap-image after i zekce helped me with the simpad.conf and lokal.conf thing - it was broken. Jun 15 11:51:29 RP: But I couldn't test it due to my adaper is unscrewed Jun 15 12:30:24 RP: http://www.armedslack.org/ - I will try this one as base. I only write this because you are a slacker to please do not missunderstand this. Jun 15 12:54:59 mr_nice: huh ? Jun 15 12:55:38 so you find OE to be too hard without being open to learn and therefore you want to use a so-called full blown distro? Jun 15 12:55:43 * mickeyl shakes head Jun 15 12:57:00 for what I remember he said that by building stuff from scratch himself he'll learn more than by using OE. It, in fact, makes sense and is good for educational purpose. Not sure what does it have to do with armedslack... Jun 15 12:57:26 hmm... ok i'm also a fan of doing it the hard way just to learn things Jun 15 12:57:59 I used to build my machines from scratch. But now I fell back to using gentoo. Getting old? Jun 15 12:57:59 but I have seen this FUD about using full-blown distros so many times Jun 15 12:58:06 heh Jun 15 12:58:35 * mickeyl sweatening Jun 15 12:58:43 * mickeyl checks the forecast Jun 15 12:58:46 I don't think it's about full-blown distro. He just doesn't like the debian way, I understandhim. Jun 15 12:59:00 We normally dislike everything we don't use daily. Jun 15 12:59:44 that's a point. then again, I'm a big fan of using the right tools Jun 15 12:59:48 I admire Mandriva Jun 15 12:59:55 i use it everywhere on the desktop Jun 15 13:00:03 I still think debian is better on the server Jun 15 13:00:10 The right tools == the tools you like? :) In short, you're a big fan of whatever you like ;-) Jun 15 13:00:10 and on embedded devices Jun 15 13:00:42 it's tied to being open to alternatives whenever you come around to see one Jun 15 13:00:51 i regularly try other distros Jun 15 13:00:59 not just installing and removing Jun 15 13:01:01 really trying to use it Jun 15 13:01:10 Well, after all these years I came to conclusion that it doesn't matter what system you use as long as you like it ;-) Jun 15 13:01:28 There's no distribution like no distribution, anyway ;-) Jun 15 13:27:04 lrg: Do I remember you saying you had some ASoC updates? Jun 15 13:39:17 hi for moment Jun 15 13:39:28 RP: yes, I'm doing some cleanup now and adding some more docs. Should have something out tonight or tomorrow morning (I've been busy with support yesterday and today). Jun 15 13:39:30 RP: last version of logo rotation patch is ok? Jun 15 13:39:31 hi hrw Jun 15 13:39:31 hey Marcin Jun 15 13:39:37 hrw: yes Jun 15 13:39:49 RP: can you add this and usb-power-limit one? Jun 15 13:39:59 hrw: I already have ;-) Jun 15 13:40:06 great Jun 15 13:40:20 lrg: ok, np :) Jun 15 13:40:31 mickeyl: did you saw opie-mediumapplet fix and my discussion with zecke about it? Jun 15 13:40:48 hrw: I'm also about the rewrite half the .bb file giving it some cleanup and documentation of the patch status Jun 15 13:40:56 RP: I'm seriously thinking about 3.5.4.1 release tomorrow/weekend Jun 15 13:41:13 hrw: Its probably about time :) Jun 15 13:41:29 RP: 'will be released on end of the week' ;D Jun 15 13:43:13 RP: nice work on logo patch integration Jun 15 13:43:47 hrw: yes. i can't quite follow this because IIRC I fixed this problem some months ago Jun 15 13:43:56 i have to dive into the cvs history Jun 15 13:44:00 ok Jun 15 13:44:24 the only occurance where the problem still persists is when users don't rm -rf $HOME/Documents on the 2nd partition Jun 15 13:44:33 Settings even Jun 15 13:44:49 because then /etc/pointcal is NOT present, but FirstStart wizard has already run Jun 15 13:44:52 mickeyl: what about spitz /dev/hda1? Jun 15 13:45:07 dunno. where is /root mounted ? Jun 15 13:45:47 mickeyl: /dev/hda1 does not have .opiestorage.cf and is one of storage devices... Jun 15 13:46:18 do you know offhand in which directory mediummount is? Jun 15 13:46:46 noncore/settings/mediumount/ Jun 15 13:46:51 thx Jun 15 13:48:42 http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/core/launcher/documentlist.cpp.diff?r1=1.17&r2=1.18&f=h Jun 15 13:48:55 Removed MediumDlg appearing prior to FirstUsage wizard (i.e. calibration) Jun 15 13:49:48 hrw: Thanks - it means I can use the same kernels in OE and poky again :) Jun 15 13:49:50 mickeyl: it was before 1.2.1 and 1.2.1 still has problem Jun 15 13:50:16 are you sure? Jun 15 13:50:34 mickeyl: got this with 3.5.4.1-rc'5' image Jun 15 13:50:35 i'm not talking about the corner case with Jun 15 13:50:41 did you rm -rf Settings ? Jun 15 13:50:48 mickeyl: removed qpe.conf Jun 15 13:51:03 hmm very odd. Jun 15 13:51:11 documentlist.cpp is the right point to fix that Jun 15 13:51:20 i didn't see this problem for long Jun 15 13:51:27 mickeyl: looks like we need to add option to rename ~/Settings during first boot... Jun 15 13:51:39 good idea Jun 15 13:53:16 mickeyl: but where.. /etc/init.d/opie looks as good place for it. and let it create /opt/QtPalmtop/etc/already_asked_about_renaming_Settings file? Jun 15 13:53:56 morning Jun 15 13:54:14 hi chouimat Jun 15 13:54:27 hrw: yes, preferably in the skript as this is nothing that needs to be fast. perhaps using opie-sh ? Jun 15 13:54:35 hmm no, not before calibration Jun 15 13:54:36 heh Jun 15 13:54:59 mickeyl: let it be before first wizard... Jun 15 13:55:12 ya Jun 15 13:55:20 CIA-9: linux-openzaurus: sync .oz354x with .dev Jun 15 13:55:29 CIA-9: linux-openzaurus: drop not used logo patches Jun 15 13:55:36 that cia thing is annoying Jun 15 13:55:45 yes Jun 15 13:55:48 is it broken everywhere or just here? Jun 15 13:55:52 * hrw goes out Jun 15 13:55:56 cu hrw Jun 15 13:56:13 mickeyl: #monotone works, #handhelds.org works Jun 15 13:56:17 pa Jun 15 13:56:23 * chouimat wants better wrt54g support in OE ... Jun 15 13:56:35 chouimat: me too! Jun 15 13:56:48 someone please do that. I will test :) Jun 15 13:57:14 mickeyl: I still have problem with openwrt ... Jun 15 13:57:33 and it's seems that T2 will have support for it before long ... Jun 15 13:58:12 brb cat hungry Jun 15 14:12:52 ibot: botmail for scanlime: micah, some CIA bots seem to have stopped reporting changes to CIA. please restart them, if you have a chance. thanks! Jun 15 14:51:34 Good evening. Jun 15 15:07:27 hi sirfred Jun 15 15:07:34 RP: Hello. Jun 15 15:21:08 * chouimat is away: nap Jun 15 15:24:22 who Jun 15 15:32:00 mickeyl: Hello? Jun 15 16:25:10 hrms I am to dull to secure sshd Jun 15 16:41:23 mickeyl: ping Jun 15 17:45:52 lpotter: did you see the announcement by motorola and others? Jun 15 17:46:07 lpotter: they plan to create a Free Software Phone API Jun 15 18:22:44 nite Jun 15 18:38:26 hi tmbinc Jun 15 18:47:40 * chouimat is back. Jun 15 19:28:19 whats the time diff between US pacific and the UK? Jun 15 19:29:44 nm Jun 15 19:29:47 hm Jun 15 19:29:49 12h? Jun 15 19:30:03 looks like 8 Jun 15 19:30:19 8:45pm there atm, 12:45pm here, according to this site Jun 15 19:30:44 halftime between sveden and paraguay Jun 15 19:42:16 kergoth: 8hrs Jun 15 19:42:36 hi effem Jun 15 19:43:01 hi woglinde Jun 15 19:43:06 quiet tonight Jun 15 19:43:52 ~seen koen Jun 15 19:44:00 koen was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 9d 45m 47s ago, saying: 'no idea'. Jun 15 19:44:12 uh hm Jun 15 19:44:14 right Jun 15 19:44:14 koen is on holiday Jun 15 19:44:18 yes Jun 15 19:44:49 can't we teach ibot to reply "koen has been seen in Barbados" ? Jun 15 19:45:38 lol Jun 15 19:45:50 btw 'no idea': doesn't that qualify as "famous last words" > Jun 15 19:46:01 > is ? Jun 15 20:01:52 * chouimat is away: PUB!!! Jun 15 20:02:37 enjoy Jun 15 20:18:04 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r6944b509... 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Jun 15 20:18:04 ixp kernel and network modules: bumped PR to force recompile with gcc 4.1.1 Jun 15 20:18:04 on the autobuild system; no functional change Jun 15 21:39:49 damn, monotone crashed with an "invariant violated" after trying to do a huge merge (half year of OE changes) and ~40min of CPU time Jun 15 21:40:25 tmbinc urgs Jun 15 21:43:25 I hate it when my invariants are violated Jun 15 21:44:21 sure, but you aren't monotone, right? Jun 15 21:45:55 speaking about that, what's about the move to 0.26/0.27, was there already a choosen timeframe? Jun 15 21:48:58 tmbinc no Jun 15 21:51:09 CosmicPenguin: I'm thinking about adding support to ctags/etags for diff/patch files, so each file is like a struct/class tag, and each hunk is like a struct/class member tag, so you could use the vim taglist plugin to navigate a patch file :) Jun 15 21:51:13 CosmicPenguin: what do ya think? Jun 15 21:51:40 wow Jun 15 21:51:45 that might be cool Jun 15 21:52:54 just came to mind while perusing a large patch file, thought it might make things less painful Jun 15 21:59:39 hey mallum, W8TVI Jun 15 22:00:39 kergoth: is that some kind of 3l1te speak ? Jun 15 22:01:08 no, W8TVI is a nickname in this channel :) Jun 15 22:01:10 he joined too Jun 15 22:01:47 kergoth: heh, oh yes ;) Jun 15 22:06:22 Isn't that his assigned ham license,or something of the sort? Jun 15 22:07:57 yo kergoth Jun 15 22:08:09 ggilbert: yep. Jun 15 22:08:19 by the FCC Jun 15 23:03:52 hello, I am looking for outlook express Jun 15 23:04:27 csmanx, can you help me find oe? Jun 15 23:04:54 Superbeatles: find oe ? Jun 15 23:05:09 Superbeatles: read the topic of this channel. this has nothing to do with outlook express Jun 15 23:05:14 openembedded.handhelds.org Jun 15 23:05:19 lol Jun 15 23:05:27 fie! Jun 15 23:13:46 that was surreal Jun 15 23:15:15 always worried one day that would happen Jun 15 23:27:55 wooohooo Jun 15 23:28:10 apparantly someone is working on network support for tomboy Jun 15 23:41:58 Hi everyone Jun 15 23:54:19 Hi Jun 15 23:54:37 I have some questions about embedded programming Jun 15 23:57:09 bioeng: if it doesnt involve the openembedded project specifically, this isnt the place. try #elinux if thats the case Jun 15 23:57:19 Thank you Jun 15 23:59:20 I must be braindead Jun 15 23:59:25 * CosmicPenguin checks for a pulse Jun 16 00:56:38 ibot: kergoth? Jun 16 00:56:42 [kergoth] Chris Larson, an open source developer, often in the embedded Linux arena. Currently working for Computer Sciences Corporation in Scottsdale, AZ. Contact at kergoth@handhelds.org Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OpenZaurus, and OpenEmbedded projects. Maintainer of hte tslib project. Often the resident BOFH, an often an ass. Newbies and the ... Jun 16 01:37:14 Anyone running gcc-4.1.1 with uClibC in OE ? Jun 16 01:37:49 (UcSlugC - the SlugOS variant which builds against uClibC fails to build when we switch from gcc3 to gcc4 in OE) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 16 02:59:56 2006