**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 24 02:59:56 2006 Jun 24 03:00:58 #taspring Jun 24 03:01:37 oops, sorry guys. channel popped up in the middle of a /j #taspring Jun 24 06:49:03 hi all Jun 24 07:33:24 anybody know where the kernel version is set in the oz3541 branch? Jun 24 07:33:59 I have the new 2.6.17 bb files in packages/linux, but task-strap is still building 2.6.16.. Jun 24 08:17:19 hvontres|home: is there a PREFERRED_VERSION set in a conf file? Jun 24 08:28:21 Not sure... still new to this stuff. Jun 24 08:29:08 Well, the build is ALMOST done...:) Those poor PII's are getting a workout tonight :) Jun 24 08:38:13 going to bed now Jun 24 09:42:58 good morning all Jun 24 09:45:42 mornig Jun 24 09:46:40 morning koen. Is ewi or someone syncing with monotone.nslu2-linux.org? Jun 24 09:47:13 (I've committed new IXP .bb's which use the BSD-licensed stuff from Intel. Jun 24 09:47:33 the microcode itself is still intel licensed, but it can now be loaded at runtime Jun 24 09:49:27 rwhitby: not that I know off Jun 24 09:49:46 Hmm - how do we start that up again? Jun 24 09:50:19 run 'monotone sync Jun 24 09:50:21 ' Jun 24 09:50:23 periodically Jun 24 09:50:50 is monotone.openembedded.org online yet? Jun 24 09:50:52 monotone.openembedded.org only syncs with monotone.vanille.de iirc Jun 24 10:48:07 morning Jun 24 11:35:55 rwhitby: I found out why nslu2 doesn't get synced: it rejects the oe@openembedded.org key, could you fix that? Jun 24 11:40:05 rwhitby: or sync the server from the nslu2-server yourself Jun 24 11:41:13 rwhitby: right now the sync script will only *pull* csets from monotone.nslu2 Jun 24 12:06:01 mickey|thesis: good morning Jun 24 12:06:06 hey pb_ Jun 24 12:06:08 hi folks Jun 24 12:06:21 hey mickey|thesis Jun 24 12:06:32 koen: welcome home. got your phone yet? Jun 24 12:06:36 yes Jun 24 12:06:40 congrats. Jun 24 12:06:44 ezx sucks Jun 24 12:06:48 hehe Jun 24 12:06:48 yes Jun 24 12:06:56 you like the optics and feel of it? Jun 24 12:07:00 the phone is actually less functional as my siemens s55 Jun 24 12:07:01 (the hardware) Jun 24 12:07:10 the hw is great Jun 24 12:07:11 we're going to change that :) Jun 24 12:07:27 mickey|thesis: did you see the implementations for the camera chip? Jun 24 12:07:40 both intel and linux-omap seem to have drivers Jun 24 12:08:01 I suspect the one bundled with the mainstone BSP would work out of the box Jun 24 12:08:24 ya, it's just a new revision Jun 24 12:08:30 adcm2700 as opposed to adcm2650 Jun 24 12:08:33 (for which we have drivers) Jun 24 12:08:42 shouldn't be a biggie, _but_ Jun 24 12:08:50 i want to submit pxa camera drivers to mainline Jun 24 12:08:54 so we have to do it correctly Jun 24 12:08:57 not like moto Jun 24 12:08:59 *cough* Jun 24 12:09:24 btw: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/06/23#20060623-ezx6-mux_cli Jun 24 12:09:42 ah, that's new Jun 24 12:09:44 cool Jun 24 12:09:48 and I've been thinking about how the phone UI should look & feel Jun 24 12:11:12 do you graphic talent? some animated mock ups would be interesting for a start Jun 24 12:11:16 + have Jun 24 12:11:38 I think I could do some mockups in inkscape Jun 24 12:15:14 There're no women on the internet! Everyone knows that! It's the place where men are men, women are men, and children are fbi agents. Jun 24 12:18:18 mithro *g* Jun 24 12:35:38 koen: I've adjusted monotone.nslu2-linux.org to accept the oe@openembedded.org key Jun 24 12:36:52 still no go: monotone: read from fd 6 (peer monotone.nslu2-linux.org) failed, disconnecting Jun 24 12:36:55 koen: I'd rather leave it as you guys controlling the sync, so you can shut it down at your control (as has been required at various times previously) Jun 24 12:37:15 monotone: warning: remote public key hash 'ee73b1732eb17743bca1fb95bfb9788b6ac3c11d' is unknown Jun 24 12:37:16 monotone: failed to process '4' packet Jun 24 12:37:33 do I need to do something else other than just allow the key in the monotonerc file? Jun 24 12:37:41 no idea Jun 24 12:38:11 I guess zecke will sort it out in the conversion to 0.27 Jun 24 12:38:17 I'm doing a pull - maybe that will get the key Jun 24 12:38:37 monotone: warning: saving public key for oe@openembedded.org to database Jun 24 12:38:50 240 revs in - will take a while :-) Jun 24 12:39:45 I'll leave it running overnight and see what happened in the morning. Jun 24 12:40:31 koen: thx for your help Jun 24 12:40:33 night all Jun 24 12:41:51 g'night rwhitby Jun 24 13:00:58 mickey|thesis: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/mockup.png Jun 24 13:21:27 http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm Jun 24 14:24:57 koen: cool, do more :) Jun 24 14:24:59 perhaps animated :) Jun 24 14:25:06 :) Jun 24 14:25:14 ok, *preparing* Jun 24 14:44:17 any one feels like sending the monotone 0.26 migration reminder? Jun 24 14:44:49 mickey|fifa2006: damn, I missed the linux kongress deadline :( Jun 24 14:47:45 w00t Jun 24 14:51:06 rwhitby: have you seen the migration to monotone 0.26 plan? Jun 24 14:51:26 njs: wow, 0.27 has been released Jun 24 14:51:59 zecke: see openembedded.org :) Jun 24 14:52:07 "Announcement of SCM conversion to monotone 0.27" Jun 24 14:55:14 * CoreDump|wm06 cheers Jun 24 14:55:23 CoreDump|wm06: hehe Jun 24 14:55:29 =D Jun 24 14:55:29 CoreDump|wm06: the match should end now Jun 24 14:55:47 nahh, I wanne see a few more goals =) Jun 24 14:56:27 CoreDump|wm06: 3 more goals? for sweden? Jun 24 14:56:37 ~lart zecke Jun 24 14:56:37 * ibot hereby declares zecke a troll Jun 24 14:56:42 heh Jun 24 14:58:15 I recently did not apply to be a troll Jun 24 15:00:58 ~comfort zecke Jun 24 15:01:01 There, there, zecke. It's OK. I'm here for you. Jun 24 15:01:08 =D Jun 24 15:48:57 ~emulate stewie Jun 24 15:48:59 No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you. Jun 24 16:09:12 hey zecke (if your arround), looking at your sa1100_apm module, any reason you left out some of the battery commands? Jun 24 16:09:57 mainly the reset command Jun 24 16:10:26 zecke wrote apm code? Jun 24 16:10:28 hm Jun 24 16:10:52 arm_asm_sa1100_amp_h Jun 24 16:10:56 apm* Jun 24 16:11:11 wrote in 2003 Jun 24 16:11:41 its more structure access info Jun 24 16:12:24 hmm i think i missread it Jun 24 16:12:41 its only used to aquire info, not actually do anything Jun 24 16:13:45 woglinde: jamey hicks wrote it Jun 24 16:14:10 zecke so I am not wrong Jun 24 16:16:45 really? Jun 24 16:17:01 i have the otherone jamey wrote, his name wasnt on this one ... Jun 24 16:17:24 ah okay Jun 24 16:17:41 so we are talking about this one 'function pointer' to get information Jun 24 16:17:49 this wasn't written by me as well :) Jun 24 16:17:53 yeah :) Jun 24 16:17:55 lol Jun 24 16:18:18 well as long as you dont mind people putting your name on things Jun 24 16:18:30 zecke wrote this mq200 driver for kernel 2.6 which only works on his simpad Jun 24 16:18:45 woglinde: I 'ported' it from a SH3 big endian machine ;) Jun 24 16:18:58 woglinde: and yes, I sold nuclear weapons to north korea Jun 24 16:18:58 lol Jun 24 16:19:07 woglinde: and yes, I eat children Jun 24 16:19:39 aslong as the driver works for him, does anyone else matter? Jun 24 16:19:40 :P Jun 24 16:19:43 and yes, zecke is an ancient african word and means "I don't like configuring debian systems" Jun 24 16:19:58 zecke hehe yes Jun 24 16:20:26 bbiab Jun 24 16:20:40 CoreDump|wm06: where are the promised goals? Jun 24 16:21:11 well, good question. But at least the game is entertaining Jun 24 16:21:25 woglinde: there is one reason sgi should not go out of business: www.sgi.com/tech/stl is that one Jun 24 16:21:41 zecke I know Jun 24 16:21:49 but the money makes the decision Jun 24 16:23:11 Is monotone 0.25 recommended version for OE dev branch? Jun 24 16:24:11 goxboxlive: 0.25.2 is recommended Jun 24 16:24:18 goxboxlive: by next month you will use 0.27 Jun 24 16:24:31 ok thx Jun 24 16:24:36 woglinde: I consider using swap over AoE Jun 24 16:27:54 zecke: did you reannounce the migration already? Jun 24 16:28:42 koen: hi Jun 24 16:30:35 koen: I sent the mail Jun 24 16:30:47 zecke: ah, cool Jun 24 16:30:54 koen: I have not seen it though :) Jun 24 16:30:58 me neither Jun 24 16:31:05 but I'm not subscribed to oe@ Jun 24 16:31:13 I read it via gmane Jun 24 16:31:25 koen: it is there now Jun 24 16:31:49 gosh, I still feel dizzy :} Jun 24 16:33:20 woglinde: yesterday I heard "Do it like we (the french) did in 1998. You paid for it, so you will win it" Jun 24 16:33:43 zecxke hehe Jun 24 16:36:41 hey raduga Jun 24 16:38:42 where can I find the list of virtual kernels? Im building a system for a davinci eval board, and i want to make sure it using the right virtual kernel Jun 24 16:39:03 packages/linux/ Jun 24 16:39:10 although those are real kernels ;) Jun 24 16:43:09 http://poisonedminds.com/comics/pm20060621.png Jun 24 16:43:18 so to get the correct memory map and ram/flash sizes,I need to change the defconfig file? Jun 24 16:46:56 hehe Jun 24 16:49:17 or is there a virtual kernel setup for a davinci evalboard? Jun 24 16:50:01 I have some problem with monotone. I am using 0.25.2. This is what's happening: http://pastebin.ca/70650 Jun 24 16:51:47 zecke, there are two reasons sgi shouldnt go out of business, stl and XFS Jun 24 16:53:01 Good evening. Jun 24 16:53:09 * emte hope gremlin joins sometime this weekend Jun 24 16:53:34 i'd like to talk more with him about the h36 battery+sleeve stuff Jun 24 16:54:11 reminds me Jun 24 16:54:52 anyone know how to deal with Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. Jun 24 16:55:04 i tried sux, but that didnt help Jun 24 16:55:30 it only happens with java based apps Jun 24 16:56:05 namely anjuta, eclipse, and hitide Jun 24 17:02:00 emte: I have not used XFS yet Jun 24 17:02:16 XFS roxors your soxors :P Jun 24 17:02:27 hehe Jun 24 17:03:21 actually i've used XFS since shortly before rieserfs came out Jun 24 17:03:29 it's always worked flawlessly for me Jun 24 17:03:58 even through multiple power outages and hardware failures Jun 24 17:05:08 but SGI spent a long time developing/fixing XFS Jun 24 17:05:26 it was probably the best thing to come out of IRIX Jun 24 17:05:45 I like xfs, too Jun 24 17:05:59 actually IRIX had a great display server Jun 24 17:06:13 i dont belive it has ever been ported tho Jun 24 17:06:15 emte: you can join with woglinde on this item Jun 24 17:06:28 which item? Jun 24 17:06:38 display server Jun 24 17:06:51 is he trying to port the IRIX server? Jun 24 17:06:58 its closed is it not? Jun 24 17:07:03 emte: no, he used it as well Jun 24 17:07:12 emte: and he had talked about how beautiful it was :) Jun 24 17:07:20 emte: and how ugly KDE 1.0 was Jun 24 17:07:23 woglinde: wakeup :) Jun 24 17:07:43 it is!! the closest next contender was the mac OS7-9 server Jun 24 17:08:18 the windows and linux display servers are like a blurry photo in comparison Jun 24 17:09:29 i would happily pay to use the SGI display server in linux Jun 24 17:10:14 anyway bbiab, need to wash the car Jun 24 17:11:01 * zecke still needs to change his tires... Jun 24 17:12:48 http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/computlabs_x270-sb-withcables-m.jpg <- wow Jun 24 17:12:56 4x USB, 2x Ethernet, 1x LCD Jun 24 17:13:02 serial... Jun 24 17:15:25 mm, that is quite cute Jun 24 17:15:50 lol Jun 24 17:15:59 128 MB SDMRAM, 512 MB flash Jun 24 17:16:15 wow, I need one of those :} Jun 24 17:16:27 :-} Jun 24 17:16:47 price? Jun 24 17:16:51 dunno Jun 24 17:16:56 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8603019360.html Jun 24 17:18:48 http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-sb-datasheet.htm Jun 24 17:18:55 $52? wow that's cool! Jun 24 17:19:52 $100 is also ok Jun 24 17:19:53 mr_nice_slacker: 3*52 if you buy one board Jun 24 17:20:00 http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-sb-price.htm Jun 24 17:21:35 ok Jun 24 17:22:36 not too bad either Jun 24 17:22:44 I think I have to get a vecation job Jun 24 17:22:50 but the price is ok Jun 24 17:30:48 look carefully Jun 24 17:30:55 1K-units price Jun 24 17:31:49 yes the modifier is x3 for only 1 unit Jun 24 17:33:04 woglinde: ps: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libproc-3.2.6.so: invalid ELF header Jun 24 17:33:08 woglinde: oops Jun 24 17:33:33 zecke what you are doing? Jun 24 17:33:40 woglinde: broken disk :) Jun 24 17:35:30 I offer you a free backup for your simpad kernel 2.6 on my machine Jun 24 17:35:50 and -> Important note: The SB-X270 must include a CM-X270 Jun 24 17:36:51 good think I cloned zeckes tree Jun 24 17:36:55 thing Jun 24 17:37:18 woglinde: only the binary (Ubuntu/Win32) disk is broken Jun 24 17:37:27 yeah ubuntu Jun 24 17:37:34 I already told you Jun 24 17:37:34 zecke: Do you know why this is happening? http://pastebin.ca/70650 Jun 24 17:38:29 goxbox where is the host you will get the db from? Jun 24 17:38:50 hm oh Jun 24 17:38:52 sorry Jun 24 17:39:02 goxboxlive: well, what did you use before? Jun 24 17:39:10 goxboxlive: monotone 0.24? Jun 24 17:39:17 goxboxlive: you might need to do a db migrate Jun 24 17:39:19 no, the same version Jun 24 17:39:45 goxboxlive: I have never seen this :) Jun 24 17:40:08 Thats why i asked if you had changed since this happend now. All i have done now is that i downloaded a new OE.db.bz Jun 24 17:40:31 goxboxlive: which one? give me the url and I will try Jun 24 17:40:36 goxboxlive: also try db check Jun 24 17:40:39 deleted the old org.open........ and wanted to start with a new fresh one Jun 24 17:40:51 ok Jun 24 17:41:12 http://openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.db.bz2 Jun 24 17:43:44 The check gave me the same monotone error Jun 24 17:45:31 I got one as well Jun 24 17:46:35 hmm :-) good to hear, then is not me then Jun 24 17:47:39 I tried also with monotone 0.27 i thought maybe it was updated allready, but that didnt work either. Jun 24 17:48:24 goxboxlive: Wow, I'm in good mood Jun 24 17:48:46 goxboxlive: monotone 0.26 introduced a different data storage, this is why we announced the migration... Jun 24 17:51:05 goxboxlive:I am on ziping and uploading mine, but I only have a 128k bit upload. I will first try to checkout of it. Jun 24 17:51:41 * chouimat is away: pub and stuff Jun 24 17:52:01 damn Jun 24 17:52:29 njs: ping Jun 24 17:52:34 * Harvy is back Jun 24 17:58:06 goxboxlive:checkout worked upload eta 92min, you can also have my static linked monotone Jun 24 17:58:47 mr_nice_slacker: mind investigating the issue first? ;) Jun 24 17:59:37 zecke:could be useful? Jun 24 18:00:15 zecke:ok then i will stop the upload? Jun 24 18:00:26 mr_nice_slacker: no, you are free to upload it :) Jun 24 18:00:45 mr_nice_slacker: more interesting would be --verbose --dump db check Jun 24 18:00:47 mr_nice_slacker: with your DB Jun 24 18:01:36 zecke: ok i will test this commands Jun 24 18:02:29 oops my poky builds allocated 40 gb Jun 24 18:03:54 monotone --db=OE.db --verbose --dump db check monotone: misuse: need --branch argument for branch-based checkout Jun 24 18:04:13 I have no clue about the monotone commands Jun 24 18:05:22 mr_nice_slacker: ah sorry, --debug instea of dimp Jun 24 18:06:15 monotone: 11.864 | 0 | 3.000 | 0 Jun 24 18:06:16 monotone: error: wanted 1 rows got 0 in query: SELECT data FROM revisions WHERE id = ? Jun 24 18:06:19 damn Jun 24 18:07:36 ~seen koen Jun 24 18:07:45 hvontres|home: ewi is still down Jun 24 18:07:48 koen is currently on #oe (6h 12m 50s) #openezx (6h 12m 50s) #openslug (6h 12m 50s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1h 28m 37s, last said: 'although those are real kernels ;)'. Jun 24 18:08:00 hvontres|home: we have no idea, what the reset monkey is up to Jun 24 18:08:05 zecke: I know...:( Jun 24 18:08:21 Maybe we neeed a reset hamster instead >>:) Jun 24 18:08:42 lol Jun 24 18:09:04 Or even a Reset Slug.. or maybe thats what we have now...:) Jun 24 18:09:20 goxboxlive: could you bsearch the last working DB? Jun 24 18:09:25 I think he is prisoned in his hamster wheel Jun 24 18:09:48 ~lart hamster wheel Jun 24 18:09:48 * ibot does a little 'renice 20 -u hamster wheel' Jun 24 18:11:58 goxboxlive: try to download again Jun 24 18:12:13 zecke: It's ages since i donwloaded a OE. Ok. i'll try to Jun 24 18:12:55 it tkes baout 5 min. I'll report back. Jun 24 18:13:39 zecke when will we eat nachos? Jun 24 18:14:32 woglinde: if Mexico wins on the 30th of february Jun 24 18:15:56 zecke bah Jun 24 18:19:37 zecke:how to get a copy of your 2.6 simpad kernel stuff? Jun 24 18:20:02 mr_nice hm I could tar it Jun 24 18:20:14 but I only have 192k upstream Jun 24 18:20:40 zecke: Now it worked. Yhanks for your help once again. Jun 24 18:20:47 Yanks=Thanks Jun 24 18:22:32 zecke: the offer to host the git tree on ltg still stands Jun 24 18:23:15 woglinde: would be too cool! Jun 24 18:24:17 mr_nice there is some work to port the g_ether driver to 2.6.16.17 from me Jun 24 18:24:58 woglinde: the sa1100 one? Jun 24 18:26:19 koen yes Jun 24 18:26:41 koen but it dont really work fine Jun 24 18:26:47 works like the old stuff Jun 24 18:26:49 woglinde:unfortunate my c skills are to low for thing like that. but I will be pleasured to have the kernel Jun 24 18:27:11 mr_nice maybee the mq200 code works on your simpad Jun 24 18:27:43 woglinde:I will try it :) Jun 24 18:28:04 hm 677 mb with git Jun 24 18:28:55 woglinde:wow - this would be block your upload a day or so Jun 24 18:32:00 woglinde:is it possible to patch a vanilla kernel to that level? Jun 24 18:32:49 mr_nice mom Jun 24 18:32:55 I try do exclude the git stuff Jun 24 18:33:08 and have the normal 33 mb for tar.bz2 than Jun 24 18:33:20 koen: I need to find some time first :) Jun 24 18:33:35 koen: the rest of this month will be extremly busy Jun 24 18:33:43 same here Jun 24 18:33:57 woglinde:33mb sounds good Jun 24 18:34:33 woglinde: git export or such Jun 24 18:34:38 woglinde: do you have some webspace? else I have some Jun 24 18:35:01 well the git tree itself is not too useful :} Jun 24 18:35:24 now that the mq200 sheet is 'public domain', I can improve the driver Jun 24 18:36:16 46516372 Jun 24 18:37:00 zecke:would be to cool Jun 24 18:37:11 but zecke has no time Jun 24 18:37:35 np Jun 24 18:37:39 woglinde: hehe, psst. This term is almost over Jun 24 18:37:52 woglinde: no time, and today I collapsed .. at the hym Jun 24 18:37:55 gym Jun 24 18:39:17 ob raul jetzt in leiptig ist? Jun 24 18:39:21 ups Jun 24 18:39:22 sorry Jun 24 18:39:47 woglinde: try to hijack a CCTV and search him Jun 24 18:39:54 that x270 is missing one key fature Jun 24 18:40:01 feature* Jun 24 18:40:08 no CAN adapter Jun 24 18:40:10 :P Jun 24 18:40:20 I will try to build a distribution uppon that 2.6 thing the concept can be found here(http://opensimpad.org/index.php/SLACKpad) Jun 24 18:40:37 funny they state it for automotive applications without that Jun 24 18:41:26 nice little board tho Jun 24 18:41:38 emte hm Jun 24 18:41:40 wonder if i can get one in canada Jun 24 18:43:16 urg Jun 24 18:43:21 500 peices ... Jun 24 18:43:30 i dont want that many Jun 24 18:46:48 lexus calc 45*3 + 8=7+11=6=7+10+9=20+3=6=12+10 Jun 24 18:46:52 hmm Jun 24 18:46:59 worng channel and bad typing Jun 24 18:47:50 it was 244 if your curious Jun 24 18:48:08 for one board with almost everything Jun 24 18:48:32 hmm Jun 24 18:48:41 what does isreal use for currency? Jun 24 18:48:52 dollar Jun 24 18:48:56 israel* Jun 24 18:48:59 lol Jun 24 18:49:03 mexico :) Jun 24 18:49:04 which dollar Jun 24 18:49:17 I wonder if these boards got backdoors Jun 24 18:49:29 nah Jun 24 18:49:41 they would be used for missle guidance systems probably Jun 24 18:50:02 emte yeah Jun 24 18:50:05 maybe they have extra super broader wide band, to call home from any place :) Jun 24 18:50:14 or some other US funded military development Jun 24 18:50:22 they use sdi or something Jun 24 18:51:19 they must have sold a lot in the past to someone Jun 24 18:51:39 those are pretty inexpensive (even if the price is in USD) Jun 24 18:52:51 it doenst actually state which currency anywhere ... Jun 24 18:53:04 maybe we can order in pesos Jun 24 18:53:07 :P Jun 24 18:53:16 or rubbles Jun 24 19:06:38 ~lart OpenSSL for replacing man 3 rand Jun 24 19:06:38 * ibot rm -rf's OpenSSL for replacing man 3 rand Jun 24 19:07:08 zecke what? Jun 24 19:07:28 woglinde: OpenSSL installed a 'rand' manpage in section 3 Jun 24 19:18:11 For any of those n00bs like me struggling to make the OE environment work for them, I have one important bit of advice: when bitbake gives you some error message, run precisely the same bitbang command again. You'll be amazed at how many time a better result occurs. Jun 24 19:18:54 KerwoodDerby: example? Jun 24 19:19:09 which bitbake version? Jun 24 19:19:15 guess 1.3.x Jun 24 19:20:23 like just now when I got an error from bitbang 1.4.2 complaining about a missing distutils.version module. When I execute the same damned command, I don't get the error. Jun 24 19:20:37 bake Jun 24 19:20:42 ??? Jun 24 19:20:51 bitbake, not bitbang Jun 24 19:20:52 KerwoodDerby: oh well... Jun 24 19:21:30 KerwoodDerby: try BitBake 1.4.3 (from svn) Jun 24 19:21:37 yeah, I don't care expect that it goes against all I'd been taught in the past. It's a consequence of complex systems, I guess Jun 24 19:21:56 KerwoodDerby: this 'message' at the beginning was not rerun on cached builds Jun 24 19:22:12 I suspected as much Jun 24 19:22:16 KerwoodDerby: oh well. This 'sanity' checker is an EventHandler (for BuildStarted) Jun 24 19:22:30 KerwoodDerby: this even was not sent on cache only runs Jun 24 19:23:11 morning Jun 24 19:23:16 gm Jun 24 19:24:11 zecke: of course, now my build is going nowhere because it's going to the ewi546 server for everything Jun 24 19:24:26 feh Jun 24 19:24:41 KerwoodDerby: remove ewi as tarball stash? Jun 24 19:25:18 KerwoodDerby: trying to get a cvs snapshot from a TARBALL STASH (e.g. ewi) is for convience Jun 24 19:25:35 lpotter: when will Qtopia4 GPL be released? Jun 24 19:25:52 lpotter: or is TT asking the community to use Gtk+? Jun 24 19:25:53 zecke: right now the TARBALL STASH line is commented out Jun 24 19:26:16 KerwoodDerby: so what exactly is it doing with ewi then? Jun 24 19:26:46 zecke: I believe it is being referred by the .bb files Jun 24 19:27:11 KerwoodDerby: from your message, this would mean every bb file is refering to ewi, which sounds strange to me Jun 24 19:27:17 AGREED Jun 24 19:27:19 agreed Jun 24 19:27:22 hehe Jun 24 19:28:40 * koen mumbles something about bureaucrats Jun 24 19:28:49 koen: hehe Jun 24 19:29:00 and "most secure campus in the world" Jun 24 19:29:24 koen hehe Jun 24 19:30:02 zecke: OK, your suspicion is correct, the ewi546 reference isn't coming from the .bb files. Let me dive in and try to find where it's coming from. brb. Jun 24 19:30:07 and I'm thinking about not using remote-no-developer-control machines for OE work Jun 24 19:30:25 kerwood local.conf Jun 24 19:32:39 hrw: I guess we should collect some donations and buy some powerfull machines that we can colocate Jun 24 19:33:25 koen: good idea Jun 24 19:34:02 btw: in Monday I will spend ~100-120 USD from donations to get our free Zaurii (6000 and 5600) from customs Jun 24 19:34:11 ouch Jun 24 19:34:15 gotta love customs Jun 24 19:34:29 new OE project devices? Jun 24 19:34:35 koen: yes Jun 24 19:35:07 koen: tosa will stay with me for some time, poodle will go to mickey|fifa2006 Jun 24 19:35:08 woglinde: no, it's not in local.conf. And as I was looking for the problem, bitbake just magically seemed to find the hosts it needed and is now churning away. :) I hope this continues. Jun 24 19:35:57 someone know a tool which will show I/O usage in realtime? Jun 24 19:36:34 I suspect my hdd... Jun 24 19:36:56 KerwoodDerby: it might be that ewi is a 'generic' mirror in base.bbclass Jun 24 19:37:05 zecke: and it is for .oz354x Jun 24 19:37:19 upstream, ewi, oesources Jun 24 19:40:26 uf.. I'm tired. whole day taken by kitchan 'redecoration' - changed 'lineleum' from half pcv/half carpet to pcv, destroyed one 'half height' wall... Jun 24 19:40:48 but yesterday I myself checked that 2G SD cards works in c760/OZ Jun 24 19:41:10 hrw: I feel your redecoration pain Jun 24 19:43:33 hmmm Jun 24 19:43:44 I got a tracking number for some stuff I didn't order Jun 24 19:43:54 * koen wonders what the shop has sent me Jun 24 19:44:42 ~curse ksim Jun 24 19:44:47 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ksim ! Jun 24 19:44:48 Description: system information monitor for KDE Jun 24 19:45:31 but ofcourse debian package does not contain any info how to run it and lack any binaries... Jun 24 19:45:36 when will someone add kde to oe? Jun 24 19:45:41 koen sex toys Jun 24 19:46:32 woglinde: i suspect a photographic store doesn't have those, but you never know ;) Jun 24 19:47:57 koen: hehe Jun 24 19:48:14 koen: KDE will be in OE once they decide not to use broken and forked base libraries Jun 24 19:48:34 zecke: a, when hell freezes over Jun 24 19:49:41 koen: well, what would be the benefit of having KDE in OE? Jun 24 19:49:49 koen: building x86, kdevelop images? Jun 24 19:50:00 zecke: koen want KDE on corgi Jun 24 19:51:21 koen: I think KDEs focus is currenly taking the bad things from OSX and from WIn32 and make something out of it (GUI wise) Jun 24 19:51:29 Architecture wise, KDE still rocks! Jun 24 19:52:06 koen:http://users.physik.tu-muenchen.de/rwagner/physik/witzep.html search for How Hot is Hell? Jun 24 19:52:09 zecke: uberoptimist you are Jun 24 19:52:32 :) Jun 24 19:53:04 zecke: kde 3.5 has so many things sluggish (on 1.8GHz x86 with 1G ram) Jun 24 19:54:05 hrw: KDE is good for you if you have a Quad Xeon cluster next to you Jun 24 19:54:14 hrw: and don't mind opening xterm to get your stuff done ;) Jun 24 19:54:20 yep Jun 24 19:54:43 and have a map explaining where to find the correct button Jun 24 19:55:04 zecke: I too often feel that today linux desktop is written by people which use 8x875 opterons with >128G of ram for simple usage Jun 24 19:55:48 mr_nice_slacker: lol Jun 24 19:56:27 hrw: it could be the debian packages (-finsert-sleep-10-after-each-op) or... Jun 24 19:56:40 hrw: What I fear is: KDE lacks vision and direction ATM Jun 24 19:57:40 you dont MUST use kde Jun 24 19:58:07 woglinde: so kdepim -> evolution? Jun 24 19:58:11 woglinde: don't get me wrong. I use KDE, I use GNOME too Jun 24 19:58:22 woglinde: or outlook via wine? Jun 24 19:58:37 I use some apps from kde and some apps with gtk Jun 24 19:58:38 woglinde: I just fear that it lacks a clear direction Jun 24 19:58:46 woglinde: and blackbox :) Jun 24 19:58:46 but dont both directly Jun 24 20:00:02 woglinde: e.g. instead of supporting 20 group ware servers some how Jun 24 20:00:13 woglinde: KDE PIM should have picked a preferred one Jun 24 20:00:17 woglinde: make that rock solid Jun 24 20:00:25 zecke hm Jun 24 20:01:14 woglinde: instead we spent months in creating a good base class, which will make it easy to write... Jun 24 20:01:24 woglinde: sadly this is not working out for the majority of people Jun 24 20:01:59 woglinde: in contrast to GNOME/Evolution, KDE does not have 20 Indian developers in bangleore Jun 24 20:02:06 fsck... hdd in udma5 mode and even music stops during package installations... Jun 24 20:02:18 :( Jun 24 20:03:08 hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } Jun 24 20:03:08 ide: failed opcode was: unknown Jun 24 20:03:08 hda: CHECK for good STATUS Jun 24 20:03:10 fsck Jun 24 20:03:38 :( Jun 24 20:04:27 new hdd is 240 pln but I do not want to spend cash on it Jun 24 20:04:58 ~convert 240 pln to euro Jun 24 20:05:14 about 80 Jun 24 20:05:22 ~change 240 pln to eur Jun 24 20:05:27 240.00 Zloty (PLN) makes 58.5830 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jun 24 20:05:43 ah.. 80 usd... Jun 24 20:06:45 hrw hm looks loke the disk will be broken soon Jun 24 20:08:13 hrw: you have no paypal account? Jun 24 20:08:30 paypal didn't support poland iirc Jun 24 20:08:34 zecke: no and will not create one Jun 24 20:08:41 koen: they already do Jun 24 20:08:44 in one way only Jun 24 20:08:52 use worldpay Jun 24 20:08:56 I can pay via paypal but cannot be payd Jun 24 20:09:42 i cant remember what i ordered from poland, but i used and created a worldpay account for it ... Jun 24 20:09:51 hrw: too bad :( Jun 24 20:11:12 whoever is on the familiar ml can now laugh at my first attempt to use inkskape once upon a time Jun 24 20:12:21 cu Jun 24 20:12:27 bye Jun 24 20:18:33 ok. xfs_check/repair is working... Jun 24 20:18:36 ~lart XFS Jun 24 20:18:37 * ibot throws XFS's poor little doggy off a cliff Jun 24 20:19:11 why XFS has to be different when compared to other filesystems.... Jun 24 20:19:26 fsck.xfs works like /bin/true symlink Jun 24 20:19:52 :-D Jun 24 20:19:56 because sgi designed it Jun 24 20:20:26 hrw what problmes with xfs? Jun 24 20:20:31 system: fsck - check /dev/hda1 fsck: /dev/hda1 is xfs - fsck.xfs check it. fsck.xfs: fuck off fsck - XFS does not need to be checked. It will die without noticing user Jun 24 20:20:31 I never had one Jun 24 20:21:08 woglinde: xfs_check + xfs_repair == 65 in lost-found. Jun 24 20:21:24 woglinde: and I HAVE TO boot other rootfs to be able to check my usual rootfs Jun 24 20:21:48 ext2/ext3/reiserfs ARE able to be checked during system boot. XFS is unable to do it Jun 24 20:22:48 this machine lack swap now because I used swap partition to have debian rootfs just for checking XFS partitions (which need repair about once per week here) Jun 24 20:23:19 ~lart PC partition scheme Jun 24 20:23:20 * ibot gives PC partition scheme a good seeing to Jun 24 20:23:28 ? Jun 24 20:23:36 hrw hm why did you get error on this partition? Jun 24 20:23:38 ~lart linux to not be able to use any filesystem over BSD slices Jun 24 20:23:38 * ibot eats linux to not be able to use any filesystem over BSD slices and falls over dead Jun 24 20:23:42 powerloss? Jun 24 20:23:48 thanks to grub not being able to handle / on xfs I use ext3 for / Jun 24 20:23:53 woglinde: powerloss, hdd error Jun 24 20:24:02 i use XFS as well without issue Jun 24 20:24:03 koen: grub IS capable of using XFS on / Jun 24 20:24:05 hrw so its not xfs fault Jun 24 20:24:17 hrw: not when I installed it :) Jun 24 20:24:24 woglinde: but that does not change shitness of fsck.xfs Jun 24 20:24:25 and have many powerlosses ( perils of living on an island) Jun 24 20:24:50 hrw hehe with fsck.raiserfs you would be have total loss Jun 24 20:24:50 koen: ;) Jun 24 20:25:05 woglinde: I used reiserfs for over 4 years Jun 24 20:25:16 i've lost reiser system i've stupidly installed Jun 24 20:25:16 woglinde: had much less problems with it then with xfs Jun 24 20:25:19 every* Jun 24 20:25:30 hrw, that?s why i stopped using xfs - jfs has the same problems Jun 24 20:25:49 ~hail UFS Jun 24 20:25:52 with a faulty disk all fs has problems Jun 24 20:25:55 * ibot bows down to UFS and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 24 20:25:57 jesus Jun 24 20:26:01 lol Jun 24 20:26:17 woglinde: but any FS other then XFS is able to be fixed during boot.... Jun 24 20:26:20 ok. reboot to normal system Jun 24 20:26:26 brb Jun 24 20:26:40 ~hail UFS for background system checks :) Jun 24 20:26:41 * ibot bows down to UFS for background system checks :) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 24 20:27:42 hmm, what to eat for lunch Jun 24 20:29:32 woglinde: mexico will win Jun 24 20:30:01 ldconfig: /usr/lib/libartsmodulessynth.so.0 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. Jun 24 20:30:04 fsck Jun 24 20:30:14 anyway arts must die ;) Jun 24 20:30:14 lol Jun 24 20:30:24 hrw: yeah, pretty useles anyway Jun 24 20:30:36 hrw: my /lib/libproc32.so is broken as well :) Jun 24 20:30:52 libproc32? Jun 24 20:31:00 64bit cpu? Jun 24 20:31:01 zecke: artsd is good at taking 100% CPU time Jun 24 20:31:05 emte: ps needs it Jun 24 20:31:18 hrw: arts, another interesting idea Jun 24 20:31:29 hrw: designed not to do video, hacked to support video Jun 24 20:31:40 hrw: and the main developer ran away :) Jun 24 20:31:49 lol Jun 24 20:33:00 I wonder why I have to run kmail twice to get it started... first time is from session and it run, pop groupware-over-imap request and hide totally Jun 24 20:33:22 hmm I need to stop bashing at random Jun 24 20:33:46 once again the KDE platform is awesome, it is flexible and such Jun 24 20:34:32 zecke you want a schokoriegel? Jun 24 20:34:42 hmm 3.1G used on / is a bit scare Jun 24 20:35:26 woglinde: Do I need to claim that gcc imposes a security risk? Jun 24 20:35:37 woglinde: or what strings are attached to 'schokoriegel' Jun 24 20:36:18 woglinde: If I would give Schokoriegel to Al, she might temporarily like me a bit more... Jun 24 20:37:26 Jun 24 20:37:32 ps. Jun 24 20:50:37 heh.. user wrote to me with question will he be able to use usb printer under OZ.. why people think that I can know this? never used usb powered Zaurus, never used USB connected printer, I had printer few years ago (for ~2 weeks) and it was centronics one Jun 24 21:03:18 lol Jun 24 21:03:25 I hope that is not true Jun 24 21:04:21 zecke: ? Jun 24 21:06:01 that ChanServ got a SIGSEGV Jun 24 21:06:19 hrw: but yes, luckily I have not received too many of such mails recently Jun 24 21:06:56 325 new revs to pull... Jun 24 21:07:16 * hrw want 25 July.... Jun 24 21:07:32 zecke: when will Berlin OE meeting happen? Jun 24 21:07:48 * woglinde hides Jun 24 21:08:27 woglinde: you said, you woul get us rooms? Jun 24 21:09:43 zecke if you organize the other stuff Jun 24 21:21:53 hi koen Jun 24 21:22:12 re koen Jun 24 21:22:42 hey hrw & woglinde Jun 24 21:27:04 162/325 revs pulled Jun 24 21:28:15 I had that situation last night Jun 24 21:28:30 left it running overnight Jun 24 21:30:40 koen: that was during 20 minutes Jun 24 21:30:40 hehe me too Jun 24 21:30:44 ~800 revs Jun 24 21:31:07 zecke: for 800 I would fetch more recent database from other machine Jun 24 21:32:03 I think I have local changes... :} Jun 24 21:35:32 ;) Jun 24 21:36:15 zecke: compiling and testing monotone 0.27 can be done right now Jun 24 21:36:53 zecke: especially putting the source in a special dir :) Jun 24 21:36:55 koen: really? I considered applying for a license as well Jun 24 21:37:16 license? Jun 24 21:39:21 for monotone :) Jun 24 21:39:23 zecke: /home/oe/monotone/migration/source on openembedded.org Jun 24 21:39:26 free preview, version Jun 24 21:41:15 hm. after ewi back I will have to create some mirrors for OZ Jun 24 21:41:20 die OZ, die! Jun 24 21:41:26 hehe Jun 24 21:42:27 what is a sense of having other places for download if they can 'update' only via 'wget --mirror'? Jun 24 21:43:20 you mean all those oz users doing wget -r ? Jun 24 21:43:51 koen: those and few other guys which offered webspace Jun 24 21:44:11 'I can mirror OZ it will take less then 500G/month bandwidth usage' Jun 24 21:44:44 hwy not just use a roundrobin dns? Jun 24 21:44:49 why* Jun 24 21:45:20 because that's illegal over here Jun 24 21:45:53 emte: ewi cannot have other dns names Jun 24 21:46:08 all of 130.89.* can't Jun 24 21:46:15 except ftp.nl.debian.org ;) Jun 24 21:46:49 then do it offshore? Jun 24 21:47:25 zecke: what's your preffered ssh key? the opiezilla one? Jun 24 21:47:35 dunno Jun 24 21:47:44 add any :) Jun 24 21:48:17 monotone: 2,3 M | 226,4 k | 1352 | 325 | 233 Jun 24 21:48:45 zecke: added to oe@openembedded.org Jun 24 21:49:06 zecke: try ssh'ing in Jun 24 21:49:43 hrw: put the oz feeds in monotone :) Jun 24 21:50:03 zecke: yes, I've seen the migration plan. And we're ready to cooperate fully with your timetable. Jun 24 21:50:25 koen: ha ha ha Jun 24 21:50:29 rwhitby: good, sadly I was not subscribed to your yahoo group when posting Jun 24 21:50:40 rwhitby: glad it doesn't conflict with your plans Jun 24 21:50:44 hrw: no ,seriously Jun 24 21:50:56 nope, we got our releases out, so we're in an unstable alpha period right now Jun 24 21:51:06 hrw: it's just a few revs/month and allows easy distribution Jun 24 21:51:11 (2.6.17, ixp 2.1.1, gcc 4.1.1, ...) Jun 24 21:51:41 koen: is m.oe.org syncing happily with m.n-l.o ? Jun 24 21:52:07 koen: hmm, let us try another key :) Jun 24 21:52:33 hmm.. have to build binutils 2.16 for oz 3.5.4.1 and test does it work with AS_NEEDED Jun 24 21:52:59 rwhitby: looks like it Jun 24 21:53:11 hrw: doesn't that require a newer glibc? Jun 24 21:53:29 koen: will check Jun 24 21:53:46 zecke: ssh oe@openembedded.org, not freyther@openembedded.org Jun 24 21:54:07 ~curse kdepim 3.5.3 Jun 24 21:54:12 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, kdepim 3.5.3 ! Jun 24 21:55:27 koen: sure, see earlier in the log Jun 24 21:55:39 koen: I do not have any *opiezilla* keys on this machine :) Jun 24 21:57:09 * koen installs the freythers-ibook-g4.local one Jun 24 21:58:26 owned Jun 24 21:58:34 cool Jun 24 21:59:08 so I may compile? Jun 24 21:59:08 ~/monotone/ should have all the monotone stuff Jun 24 21:59:12 sure Jun 24 21:59:22 just shout which .debs you needs installed Jun 24 21:59:34 boost :) Jun 24 22:00:16 Depends: libboost-date-time1.33.1, libboost-filesystem1.33.1, libboost-regex1.33.1, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Jun 24 22:00:40 under debian same boost for 0.25.2 and 0.26 Jun 24 22:01:16 * koen apt-get build-dep monotone Jun 24 22:01:41 koen: a g++ would be nice to have Jun 24 22:02:00 I just hope the boost g++ matches the one debian's installing right now Jun 24 22:02:26 zecke: If i want to change sometihing in the htcuniversal.conf machine file. How can i do that? There are several bugs in it. Jun 24 22:02:53 can i just use pastebin and ask any of the developers here to do it for us? Jun 24 22:02:54 goxboxlive: send patches, pester us until they are pushed? Jun 24 22:03:00 change, make diff, report bug? Jun 24 22:03:05 goxboxlive: using bugs.openembedded.org is preferred Jun 24 22:03:18 ok, i will do that. thx Jun 24 22:03:47 koen: that systems looks freaking fast? Jun 24 22:04:06 zecke: and idling opteron with sata disks Jun 24 22:06:06 s/and/an/ Jun 24 22:06:50 zecke: you might need to build boost yourself if debian screwed up again Jun 24 22:07:08 zecke: there's already a screen running for the monotone server Jun 24 22:11:00 hrm Jun 24 22:11:06 scummvm needs to get updated in OE Jun 24 22:12:07 not only scummvm Jun 24 22:12:59 "morning" all Jun 24 22:13:05 mtn-commands.o:(.data+0x0): multiple definition of `_ZN5boost9date_time18parse_match_resultIT_E11PARSE_ERRORE' Jun 24 22:13:17 RP: hey, at GUADEC yet? Jun 24 22:13:17 hey RP Jun 24 22:13:28 zecke: Not yet - tomorrow :) Jun 24 22:13:38 zecke: I should really finish packing ;-) Jun 24 22:13:46 hrw: I had a 0.8.x .bb for the x11 and sdl version Jun 24 22:13:54 hrw: but I think I lost it :( Jun 24 22:13:57 morning RP Jun 24 22:14:03 I guess most people are aware I'll not be around so much next week then :) Jun 24 22:14:07 RP: CheckList: 1. N770, 2. Laptop, 3. power supplies Jun 24 22:14:21 RP: have a good time :) Jun 24 22:14:43 koen: I had recipe for pxaregs somewhere iirc Jun 24 22:15:02 zecke: I don't have a proper 770 ;-) Jun 24 22:15:18 RP: you will be get laughed at, poor guy Jun 24 22:15:28 damn I'm tired Jun 24 22:16:11 'night all Jun 24 22:26:41 nite Jun 24 22:27:11 night Jun 24 22:27:26 hmm where top start with this Jun 24 22:27:29 to* Jun 24 22:27:37 i wish gremlin would sign on Jun 24 22:34:48 ok time to bed for me too Jun 24 22:34:49 cu Jun 24 22:35:18 nite Jun 24 22:35:59 bye bye Jun 24 23:09:06 'night all Jun 25 00:26:55 If I want to build OZ 3.5.4.1, should I strictly follow the directions found at http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual ? Jun 25 00:26:55 If not, what exceptions are there to what's written? Jun 25 00:36:41 peobably the ones on the actual oz site Jun 25 00:36:50 probably* Jun 25 00:37:09 which exceptions should I ignore? :P Jun 25 00:37:13 maybe try asking in #oz Jun 25 00:37:42 OE is what's giving me trouble, not OZ Jun 25 00:37:51 how so Jun 25 00:38:01 your asking about a specific oz build Jun 25 00:39:05 bitbake faile when building glibc, when the command "bitbake nano" is issued Jun 25 00:39:16 I'm hoping to build 3.5.4.1 Jun 25 00:39:18 that isnt an oe problem Jun 25 00:39:37 sounds liek your setup is wron or the oz recdipe is wrong Jun 25 00:39:40 using org.embedded.oz354x Jun 25 00:39:42 wrong* Jun 25 00:41:02 I have to say it's frustrating as hell because I'm not a newbie around *nix and I can follow directions fairly well. I guess I started this at a time of great flux for OZ. Jun 25 00:41:35 * Harvy is away: sleaping but will check tomorrow Jun 25 00:41:46 KerwoodDerby: i also had trouble with building oz354x. my problem was syntax errors in the source which i imagine was do to config errors; more trouble than it's worth Jun 25 00:42:29 KerwoodDerby: i can compile the .dev branch and oz-unstable without problem though and the packages still work, just slightly more advanced versions Jun 25 00:42:49 KerwoodDerby: you just have to run ipkg -force-depends Jun 25 00:43:00 i'm using mplayer-atty this way Jun 25 00:43:11 Interrobang: but if I specify a specific version (3.5.4.1) which has already successfully been built by someone else, why would there be synteax errors in the source? Is the config control stuff broken? That would be pretty serious. Jun 25 00:43:39 someone broke the recipe or your setup is wrong as i said Jun 25 00:43:48 it's either the config options or the source itself. i'd blame oe 1st Jun 25 00:43:52 Interrobang: I can't get off the dime. I don't have one .ipk yet Jun 25 00:44:13 do you really want an entire image or just a few packages? Jun 25 00:44:14 i suspect your config is wrong myself Jun 25 00:44:42 emte: i suspect you're just zealous Jun 25 00:44:43 since you fail at glibc which means your not even building the crossbuild Jun 25 00:45:05 am i? Jun 25 00:45:46 i've been in and out of oe since almost a year ago, and i always got out cause the build process breaks almost daily Jun 25 00:46:15 that would be an oz issue then Jun 25 00:46:28 familiar and angstron behave properly Jun 25 00:46:44 angstrom* Jun 25 00:47:00 See, I can read as well as anyone else, and I can follow the guidance provided for editing local.conf. It's just that I'm damn sure I have it right now, and it still fails, with no reasonable clue as to what's awry. Jun 25 00:47:22 KerwoodDerby: do you really want an entire image or just a few packages? Jun 25 00:49:04 I want to build the whole f**ker myself because I have a wlan CF card I want to use, and I'll need to have the dev environment running to prepare the driver. Jun 25 00:49:38 weird, oz doenst have the wlan/wavelan drive by default? Jun 25 00:50:02 driver* Jun 25 00:51:03 kergoth: 1) are you sure the driver isn't already compile in the feed somewhere? 2) you don't need to compile the entire image just the kernel Jun 25 00:51:49 also, the kernel and it's modules are independent of the rest of the system, just use the .dev branch for that Jun 25 00:52:26 that snmot entirely true ... Jun 25 00:52:31 not* Jun 25 00:52:41 you need the same glibc? Jun 25 00:52:48 you do need to use the same glibc version Jun 25 00:52:50 what feed? is there a feed for OZ? Jun 25 00:52:54 damn.. Jun 25 00:53:21 KerwoodDerby: ...you never knew about the feed? Jun 25 00:53:34 anyway, I have a Marvell wlan CF card and I have 2.6 driver source Jun 25 00:53:49 I see feeds on the OZ wiki, all broken Jun 25 00:54:56 or in the case of Henges, somewhat prickly Jun 25 00:54:57 right now, only henteges works and directory listing is disbled, so you have to dl the Packages.gz, search that for the file name, and dl the module manually, unless you have a running Z with net connection Jun 25 00:55:08 precisely Jun 25 00:55:52 KerwoodDerby: out of curiousity, what chipset does your card use? orinoco or anythign like that? Jun 25 00:56:02 Marvell 8385 Jun 25 00:56:07 i belive ewi is down ... Jun 25 00:56:13 uh huh Jun 25 00:56:33 someone was mentioning the monotone server on it was unavailible Jun 25 00:56:35 ...and pdai has never worked (for at least a year) Jun 25 00:57:04 hi all Jun 25 00:57:29 afaik, there were some issues on glibc not getting proper version on oe Jun 25 00:57:30 howdy Jun 25 00:57:36 almost wish i bought a hx47xx instaed of a z c860 Jun 25 00:57:54 even selecting glibc 2.4, it fell to glibc 2.3.5 and broke Jun 25 00:57:56 i dint think that is in any better state Jun 25 00:58:50 KerwoodDerby: i suggest trying oz-unstable in the oe.dev Jun 25 00:59:34 Interrobang: From what I've seen so far that looks like no end of trouble Jun 25 00:59:49 KerwoodDerby: you've not tried .dev though Jun 25 01:00:09 the branch should build ... Jun 25 01:00:19 it IS supposed to be almost stable Jun 25 01:00:23 correct, because it's in such flux. Why should I add more random variables? Jun 25 01:00:47 you don't can to keep up with it, just get it working then leave it Jun 25 01:00:54 unless they tried to move the eabi stuff into the branch ... Jun 25 01:01:08 err can == have Jun 25 01:01:58 KerwoodDerby: even better, just get the cross-compile environment going then compile the kernel outside of oe Jun 25 01:02:17 if you're comfortable with linux that is Jun 25 01:02:26 but 3.5.4.1 should build, too. I don't understand why so much effort is put into version control when the result is useless. There has to be another explanation for this Jun 25 01:02:48 ...there is, they're not perfect Jun 25 01:03:18 also, i'm sure oz354x prolly has more customization than .dev Jun 25 01:03:35 the .dev branch has opensimpad, familiar, openslug and just about everythign else Jun 25 01:03:52 i think oz builds upon the general oe scheme Jun 25 01:04:13 in .dev that is, and in oz354x that went crazy with their own tweaks to the point it's broken Jun 25 01:04:21 Actually, I had the cross compile stuff working and had even produced a .ipk for nano. But then things unraveled when I started building the task-boostrap stuff Jun 25 01:04:22 that/they Jun 25 01:04:50 KerwoodDerby: if you got cross compilation working, try to build only the kernel Jun 25 01:04:57 the entire image is overkill Jun 25 01:05:07 mmm Jun 25 01:05:48 KerwoodDerby, can you toss your local conf onto pastebin or rafb Jun 25 01:06:18 you said you have soruce code, seperate from the kernel, right? i don't even hink oe is an optionf or you since it'll dl and compile automatically with no input from you Jun 25 01:06:40 you build a meta and tell it how to use it Jun 25 01:06:49 basic bb files are simple Jun 25 01:06:58 if you want to change the source b4 compilation you either need to change the .bb file to include your changes or compile it yourself outside oe (the easier choice prolly) Jun 25 01:07:07 I'm also puzzled as to why the .IPKs produced are named armv5. I had thought the PXA270 was a vanilla ARM. Jun 25 01:07:24 there are more than one type of arm chips Jun 25 01:07:55 isn't there a general arm instruction set, then specific instructions for each cpu class? Jun 25 01:07:56 and there are specific optimisations Jun 25 01:07:58 wouldn't OE default to arm and not armv5? Jun 25 01:08:09 why would ti do that? Jun 25 01:08:27 wider compatibility, perhaps? Jun 25 01:08:30 you want the benifits of cpu optimisation Jun 25 01:08:40 KerwoodDerby: it depends on your MACHINE setting Jun 25 01:08:46 especially in the case of floating point Jun 25 01:09:01 ther isn't an option when it comes to the kernel since it depends directly upon specific hardware Jun 25 01:09:03 then I also want to be able to select the CPU subtype, and apparently I don't get that choice with the way OE is set up right now. Jun 25 01:09:09 ther/that Jun 25 01:09:14 * Interrobang types slower Jun 25 01:09:36 KerwoodDerby: compile it yourself outside oe using the cross compile tools Jun 25 01:09:41 KerwoodDerby, i think you misunderstand how things are built Jun 25 01:09:45 no -- when I say MACHINE=arm, I still got armv5 IPKs Jun 25 01:09:49 they should be in /usr/local/arm Jun 25 01:09:51 correct Jun 25 01:10:15 because the target device has it defines as an armv5 Jun 25 01:10:27 as oppose to armv1-4 Jun 25 01:10:37 since you would lose performance Jun 25 01:10:49 KerwoodDerby: go to pastebin.ca and post your local.conf Jun 25 01:11:28 Interrobang: which one, the one I'm trying right now or the one I was using immediately before/ Jun 25 01:11:44 the one you're having problems with Jun 25 01:12:03 the one associated with the oe setup you want to fix Jun 25 01:13:02 One of my problems is that I'm building with a Suse system running at about 700 MHZ, and it's taking freakin' forever. I'll pos the one which should have worked but bombed on the glibc build. Jun 25 01:13:40 afaik, it is possible to override machine and choose TARGET_ARCH, but this is completely insane. Jun 25 01:13:55 paste it anyway. :) mine breaks on glibc too. Jun 25 01:15:05 http://pastebin.ca/70964 Jun 25 01:15:05 lets see yours too thejapa Jun 25 01:15:12 right! :) Jun 25 01:15:22 mine is completely nuts Jun 25 01:16:09 you should NOT use both MACHINE and TARGET_ARCH Jun 25 01:16:12 comment out TARGET_ARCH Jun 25 01:16:14 yeah Jun 25 01:16:24 umm Jun 25 01:16:29 and target_os Jun 25 01:16:39 wasnt it changed to DISTRO="openzaurus" Jun 25 01:16:46 and machine_kernel_version Jun 25 01:16:49 I'd say OK, but now I want to know why 1st. no superstition, please Jun 25 01:16:54 DISTRO_VERION="3.5.4.1" Jun 25 01:17:26 MACHINE and TARGET_ARCH can conflict with eachother Jun 25 01:17:39 who cares as long as they match Jun 25 01:17:41 3.5.4.1 only uses 2.6 i afaik Jun 25 01:17:44 machine is setup to for that device Jun 25 01:17:49 so??? Jun 25 01:17:49 target arch is generic Jun 25 01:18:22 also, config vars related to spitz machine type may conflict with target_arch Jun 25 01:18:29 since it may use cpu specific optimizations Jun 25 01:18:35 * emte has never saw anyone use MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION Jun 25 01:18:38 is taht even valid? Jun 25 01:18:41 ...what emte said earlier Jun 25 01:19:34 must be according to the comments Jun 25 01:19:41 it's certainly not necessary. don't know if it even works over the default chosen by distro Jun 25 01:20:31 it will Jun 25 01:20:32 There are no procscriptions against using TARGET_ARCH, it only says it's unnecessary if the MAHCINE is specified Jun 25 01:20:45 actually it is said somewhere Jun 25 01:20:46 the one i have tho doesnt have the machine in front Jun 25 01:20:56 i think the previous getting started tutorial said so Jun 25 01:21:47 you should look at the local.conf examples and strive to minimize your changes from the example file Jun 25 01:21:52 Interrobang, can you verify my DISTRO, DISTRO_VERSION comment? Jun 25 01:22:10 just found out about DISTRO_VERSION from you Jun 25 01:22:22 i know its a new change Jun 25 01:22:24 i'll test it on my oz354x branch real quick Jun 25 01:22:42 its not used in familoiar since we are so old Jun 25 01:22:46 familiar* Jun 25 01:23:02 I originally started with a minimally-changed local.conf file, but this was the first version which actually permitted the build to begin. So I trust it more than a more conservative one. Jun 25 01:23:23 you generally only need to edit 5/6 lines Jun 25 01:23:32 you sould also define a proper temp dir Jun 25 01:23:37 should* Jun 25 01:23:42 as a reccomendation Jun 25 01:25:41 its not required tho Jun 25 01:26:04 http://pastebin.com/729584 duh, pastebin is weird on my firefox Jun 25 01:26:06 bitbake'ing now Jun 25 01:26:28 thejapa: which version? Jun 25 01:27:14 Interrobang: ffox? 1.5.0.4, i guess fasterfox is messing it Jun 25 01:27:34 <--1.5.0.2 stock, renders fine Jun 25 01:27:58 DISTRO_TYPE = "debug" ?? Jun 25 01:28:12 yep, Hrw told me to test using it. Jun 25 01:28:14 doesn't sound like a good idea to mess with type Jun 25 01:28:37 thejapa: you using on a pda or desktop? Jun 25 01:28:49 on this one, of course, for desktop. Jun 25 01:29:24 thejapa, what is PARRALLEL_INSTAL_MODULES used for? Jun 25 01:29:28 But it breaks on glibc 2.3.5, even choosing 2.4 and choosing angstron 2006-9, or familiar-unstable Jun 25 01:29:34 what? lemme see Jun 25 01:29:45 sorry bad spelling Jun 25 01:29:59 wow, that must be from hrw's local conf, never noticed it Jun 25 01:30:01 duh Jun 25 01:30:10 lol Jun 25 01:30:19 thejapa, you could also add ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Jun 25 01:30:29 * Interrobang will be bitbake'ing for a while testing DISTRO_VERSION Jun 25 01:30:32 i doubt qemu will help you when building native Jun 25 01:30:45 hehe, i told you it was weird Jun 25 01:30:48 Interrobang, are you building glibc yet? Jun 25 01:32:27 i just restored my old oz354x setup, i left it compiling overnight once. i don't know how far it got, i'll have to investigate Jun 25 01:32:47 it should fail right away if those flags are invalid Jun 25 01:32:58 btw, just for completeness, I do delete my tmp everytime i change local.conf, just to be safe. Jun 25 01:33:07 me too Jun 25 01:33:09 As an aside, doesn't it seem the slightest bit odd that a 1.1MB kernel shoudl take all night to build? Jun 25 01:33:18 actually everytime i make changes almost Jun 25 01:33:31 depends on your system Jun 25 01:33:51 it takes less than 10 min for me to build a kernel Jun 25 01:33:52 emte: don't think so, i see binutils compiling so i think it's rebuilding the tool chain Jun 25 01:33:59 glibc on the onther hand ... Jun 25 01:33:59 oh Jun 25 01:34:15 that takes 45-an hour and a hlf Jun 25 01:34:21 depending on my system load Jun 25 01:34:40 45 to 1-1/2 Jun 25 01:34:59 uh-oh...I guess I'll need to leave this guy overnight, then. Jun 25 01:35:41 if you get really paranoid, you should clean ccache too, if you have it installed Jun 25 01:36:07 or tell ccache to live in temp Jun 25 01:36:18 ah nice tip Jun 25 01:36:19 it didn't help that a thunderstorm caused a reboot this afternoon in the middle of the glibc build :( Jun 25 01:36:44 and now I'm starting all over Jun 25 01:41:42 jesus, pastebin is taking ages to load for me Jun 25 01:42:06 use rafb Jun 25 01:42:20 rafb? Jun 25 01:42:33 http://rafb.net/paste/ Jun 25 01:42:55 :) Jun 25 01:47:06 glibc compilation started Jun 25 01:47:34 will it break? should we bet? :P Jun 25 01:47:46 it should be fine Jun 25 01:47:50 he got this far Jun 25 01:50:23 cue the Mission--Impossible music Jun 25 01:55:27 hehe, i was checking that local.conf i sent. it is totally weird, i'll start a new one. Jun 25 01:56:20 it depends what your trying to do i suspect Jun 25 01:56:44 i thought you had a working build system as well Jun 25 01:58:23 i didn't do things taking notes... but one day in the past it worked, I should have copied it to a safe place. Jun 25 01:59:18 I've gotta go. I'll see what my Linux leaves me in the morning. Thanks for all your help and advice! Jun 25 02:33:33 emte: seems glibc completed without issue, though it wasn't where i had an error last time Jun 25 02:34:11 positive thinking, huh? Jun 25 02:52:53 unfounded optimism really, it failed while building the tool chain Jun 25 02:53:10 | checking for main in -lm... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES. Jun 25 02:53:10 | make: *** [configure-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 1 Jun 25 02:53:10 | FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jun 25 02:53:10 NOTE: Task failed: /home/stuff/zaurus/build-software/build/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/gcc-cross-4.0.0-r1/temp/log.do_compile.5501 Jun 25 02:53:10 NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.0.0-r1: task do_compile: failed Jun 25 02:53:11 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Jun 25 02:53:13 NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.0.0: failed Jun 25 02:53:15 ERROR: Build of mplayer-atty failed Jun 25 02:55:03 looking at the last line of org.openembedded.oz354x/conf/distro/openzaurus.conf i wouldnt' be able to build unless DISTRO_VERSION was assigned, which i didn't do last time Jun 25 02:55:45 it must automatically parse the DISTRO var for version numbers Jun 25 02:56:25 so twice it's failed, oddly at different points despite (approx) the same config **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 25 02:59:56 2006